Peace and Security Update

//Peace and Security Update

2014 has begun with a much-ballyhooed push for a long-elusive peace in the Middle East.

On January 4, the WhiteHouse published Secretary Kerry’s remarks regarding the renewed campaign for a two-state solution, so that Israelis and Palestinians can live together in peace and security. Since the “Six-day War” in 1966 Israel and its Arab neighbors have been on a war footing. Numerous American presidents and other world leaders have tried to implement a solution to the knotty problems of the Middle East with little success.

For that reason it is understandable why many people give the recent Middle East peace initiative little chance of success. However, from the standpoint of Bible prophecy there is reason to give the present development closer consideration.

It is noteworthy that at the very time when the neo-Roman Empire, that is to say, the British Empire – manifest primarily through London’s control of monetary and financial system – is in an advanced state of collapse and concurrent with its passing away war preparations by the nuclear powers are accelerating. But counter to the build up to war and the inevitable financial crash, there is this detectable countercurrent to bring peace and security to the Middle East.

Why, just this past September (2013) it appeared as if the Anglo-American-Israeli alliance was going to launch shock and awe on another hapless Middle Eastern country; namely, Syria. But due to the threatened intervention of Russia and the clear and present danger of an escalation into a full-blown nuclear conflict, President Obama blinked first.

Also, concurrent with the latest initiative for peace between Israel and Palestine the UN is sponsoring the so-called Geneva II round of peace talks to solve the Syrian “civil war.” And, of course, there is still the Iran issue and the on-again, off-again negotiations to throttle that nation’s nuclear capability. 

So, at a time when the Anglo-American world power is on a pre-determined march for global conquest, they are also the primary sponsors of a political movement to bring peace and security to the very nations they have worked to destabilize and destroy. Is that not more than noteworthy? 

Now, consider an extraordinary prophecy. (Updated from a previous blog entry)

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The apostle Paul is not generally thought of as a prophet, at least not like the Hebrew prophets that preceded him. Although his more than a dozen letters form the main part of the so-called New Testament, only a small portion of his work may be considered prophetic. That being said, much of Paul’s writing focuses on the coming of Christ and the parousia, so in that sense, the so-called Pauline letters are profoundly prophetic. 

One vital facet of Paul’s prophesying is found at 1st Thessalonians 5:1-5: “Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness.” 

question-mark-reduced-sizeThere are a number of questions that arise from this intriguing prophecy. One: Who will be saying “peace and security”? Secondly, who is it that the “sudden destruction” comes upon? (The answer to the first question automatically supplies the answer to the second) Who brings about the destruction? Is it a visitation of divine disaster, or does it come from some other source? Also, when is this prophecy to be fulfilled? Does it come about as an immediate precursor to the final battle at Armageddon, as Jehovah’s Witnesses commonly believe? Or is there some other time frame in which it will occur? Lastly, what is the significance of the phrase, “peace and security”? 

Let’s consider the last question first. 

Interestingly, the phrase “peace and security” does not appear in most English Bibles, at least not the most common ones. The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible, for instance, renders 1 Thessalonians 5:3 thusly: “It is when people are saying, ‘How quiet and peaceful it is’ that sudden destruction falls on them, as suddenly as labour pains come on a pregnant woman; and there is no escape.” 

The ever-popular King James and the New International Version (NIV) both use the expression “peace and safety.” Even the American Standard Version, which is also published by the Watchtower Bible Society, uses that expression. 

However, both the lesser-known Holman Christian Standard Bible, as well as the English Standard Version, also phrase it: “peace and security.” 

The phraseology is significant in view of the fact that the exact phrase – “peace and security” – has become common political parlance. Consider the fact that peace and security is the stated political objective of the United Nations Organization.  That organization’s very logo – the olive branches covering the earth – embodies the concept of peace and security. Perhaps more significantly at this late stage of affairs, the American government’s official website touts its renewed commitment to work with the United Nations to bring about “peace and security.” 

But the recent American peace and security initiative did not arise spontaneously. There are numerous foundations and NGOs that have been working behind the scene for many years actively promoting the policies now associated with America’s renewed drive for world peace. 

peacesecurityfundersConsider, for example, there is an organization called The Peace and Security Funders Group, which is a collection of public and private foundations that presumably make grants to further their political objectives. Then there is the Atlantic Council and their Peace and Security Initiative. There is Economists for Peace & Security, as well the Center for Peace and Security Studies at Georgetown University. 

In Washington D.C. NATO – the North Atlantic Treaty Organization – has a website devoted to the Science for Peace and Security. There is even a Zionist’s Council for Peace and Security.

Women have their own peace and security issues as well, reflected in the United Nations’ UNIFEM for peace and security; and associate student-group-closeupsNGOs called Working Group on Women, Peace and Security and WomenWarPeace.org. If you are looking to invest your money in peace and security here is the Ploughshares investment group that does just that. Then there is the International Peace and Security Institute. Also, the MacArthur Foundation for International Peace and Security. 

What is most striking is that the plethora of organizations that have been working for “peace and security” use the phrase exactly as it appears in the New World and other less common translations. For example, we never hear of the United Nations working towards “peace and safety,” the way the prophecy is worded in some of the most popular English translations – as already noted. 

peacesecurityfundersFor that matter, whenever political leaders speak on the topic the wording is rarely even reversed to say “security and peace,” or even some other slight variation. It is uncanny, but the precise expression – “peace and security” –seems to have become embedded within the political system itself. Is that merely coincidental, or is it an example of Jehovah’s ability to foresee the future in precise detail? And perhaps an instance of divine providence as well, evidenced in the New World Translation rendering of the prophecy. Time will tell. 

For whatever it is worth, Jehovah’s Witnesses may be in a better position to recognize the fulfillment of Paul’s prophecy when it does occur, whereas others who are under the influence of more popular Bible translations are not so advantaged. Ironically, the common accusation that Jehovah’s Witnesses have their own Bible should not be considered a liability.

Of course, the prophesied phrase may not have the same relevance and resonance in other languages, even in the NWT. But since English has become the accepted “universal” language, due in no small measure to the dominance of the Anglo-American world power, it is highly significant that the American president and the United Nations are increasingly talking about “peace and security.” 

Obviously, though, the coming into existence in recent years of various organizations devoted to promoting the peace and security of this war-weary world is not in itself the fulfillment of the prophecy, otherwise they would have already been visited with “sudden destruction.” 

Nor is the mere utterance of that phrase by prominent politicians – no matter how frequent – the fulfillment either. True, the apostle did prophesy, that, “Whenever it is that they are ‘saying peace and security…” But, apparently, their “saying peace and security” is not the mere stating of their intentions to bring about such a condition, but rather, evidently, the realization of the prophecy will come about by their boasting about having actually accomplished some significant aspect of their ambitious agenda to make the world more peaceful and secure.  

Now, consider the stated political aims of the American President, Barack Obama, as expressed in various outtakes of speeches in the video below, in which President Obama eloquently articulates his bold intentions to solve the myriad of problems disturbing the peace and security of the world; from melting icecaps, financial collapse, terrorism, poverty, pandemics, the Israeli-Palestinian situation and most of all – the unrelenting peril posed by nuclear weapons. 

static.squarespace1For instance, shortly after taking office Obama declared that he would work to reduce nuclear weapons and keep them out of the hands of rogue states and terrorists. A notable step was taken towards those ends with the recent signing of arms reduction treaty with Russia and the 2010 Nuclear Summit in Washington D.C. Unlike the rhetoric of politicians who merely make empty promises, ostensibly Barak Obama is earnestly striving to accomplish his stated goals – perhaps with even more earnestness now in order to counter the prevailing perception that he is a failed president. 

It is also noteworthy that shortly after taking office Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace prize. The award was puzzling to many since Obama has basically extended the Bush-era war policy. However, acknowledging his own surprise and lack of any accomplishments meriting the prize, Obama accepted the award as a “mandate” for him to do something in the future to become deserving of the honor. Although in his Oslo acceptance speech he did not use the exact phraseology of “peace and security,” in classic Orwellian “war-is-peace” double-speak, President Obama justified war – both past and future wars – as the means to maintain global security and peace.  

BlairOn the Anglo side of the British-American alliance, Tony Blair, who is arguably the man most responsible for crafting the conquest of Iraq, is now a special “peace envoy” to the Middle East. As an appointed envoy for securing the peace and security of the Middle East, Blair has recently stated before the pro-Israel lobby that the world will “do whatever it takes” to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. Presumably, that means launching war is a viable option – even war with tactical nuclear weapons.  And it is no secret that the build-up to such an operation has been ongoing for many years and must be in the final stages at this late date.  

Such an attack, while devastating to the targeted nation, would inevitably have a catastrophic “blow-back” effect as well – potentially triggering World War Three. (You Tube) It is the intention of the London-based financier oligarchy, loosely grouped around the British Crown, to use such a war to prevent substantive cooperation between the USA and Russia (YouTube) and to create chaos throughout the world in order to bring down America and the entire nation-state system and ultimately reduce the world’s population by a significant percentage.  

At this stage of affairs, then, it appears as if the “they” who are destined by prophecy to be “saying peace and security” is the entire United Nations nexus of nations, led by the Anglo-American kingdom. The destruction that is to instantly come upon them is of their own making. It will be manifested in the collapse of the governmental and financial system of things. According to the Hebrew prophets the day of Jehovah commences in just such a fashion. The sudden and shocking crash of the Anglo-American power is, in fact, the subject matter of numerous articles on this website. 

The 13th chapter of Revelation portrays that event by symbolizing a seven-headed wild beast that receives a mortal head wound to one of its heads.  The seventh head of the wild beast must surely symbolize the Anglo-American dual world power.  How may it be determined that their “saying peace and security” is not an immediate precursor to the destruction God will bring on Armageddon? 

Consider, now, the context in which Paul wrote his prophecy.  In verses 13 through 18 Paul discusses the resurrection that is to occur during the presence (parousia) of Christ. Logically, Paul was pointing forward to the future coming of Jesus. So, it is in that setting that Paul foretold that the coming of Christ would be as unexpected as a thief in the night. In order to help Christians determine when Christ stealth-like parousia would commence the apostle foretold “whenever it is that they are saying peace and security.” That is the signal. 

thief-copyElsewhere in the Scriptures it is recorded that Jesus Christ described his coming as a thief in the night to judge his household of slaves. Specifically, at Luke 12:35-40 Jesus stated the following: “Let your loins be girded and your lamps be burning, and you yourselves be like men waiting for their master when he returns from the marriage, so that at his arriving and knocking they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on arriving finds watching! Truly I say to you, He will gird himself and make them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. And if he arrives in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them thus, happy are they! But know this, that if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would have kept watching and not have let his house be broken into. You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely the Son of man is coming.” 

The context of Jesus’ illustration indicates that his coming as a thief in the night is to reward his faithful slave and punish the evil slaves. So it is, the destruction that is destined to come upon those “saying peace and security” will be brought on by the war, famine and pestilence Jesus said would mark the commencement of his presence.  Jesus will evidently use the hardships of that bleak period as the means to winnow out the faithless and evil slaves from his household and to discipline and refine those judged to be faithful. 

Similarly, Jesus warned the somnolent Christians in the symbolic Sardis congregation that he was coming as a thief, saying to them at Revelation 3:2-3: “Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your deeds fully performed before my God. Therefore, continue mindful of how you have received and how you heard, and go on keeping it, and repent. Certainly unless you wake up, I shall come as a thief, and you will not know at all at what hour I shall come upon you.” 

Surely Jesus is not coming as a thief on multiple occasions. That being the case, the question for Jehovah’s Witnesses and their Watchtower leadership to consider is this: If Jesus judged his Father’s spiritual house in 1918, why was there no declaration of “peace and security” back then? Instead of directing people to consider the events of a bygone era, why isn’t the Watchtower taking any note of the present developments? Is it because her watchmen have become like slumbering watchdogs that are unable to bark? (See Isaiah 57:10) No wonder Jehovah’s inspired word exhorts all the faithful to stay awake in anticipation of the Day. 

Still, while no one knows the day or hour for Jesus to make his surprise visit to initiate the judgment of the world, the Apostle, Paul, was inspired to provide the sons of light with a vital marker to indicate the nearness of that day. All indications are that the day of Jehovah is about to erupt upon the world. 

So, while political leaders have been talking and talking, and talking still more, about the global issues related to peace and security, we say to them: ‘Keep on talking.’

 

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  • Jonah Peter Paul

    Dear brother, we want to thank you again for writing these very informative articles and putting them out to world for those who are interested to know the truth. Now more than ever, we are able to appreciate the value of your work, since we are now seeing the prophecies being fulfilled. From time to time though we also need to review the things we learned from you and we are very thankful that we did. Just finished reading your 3 articles on the subject “Peace and Security” and you did a fine job in shedding light to us about this matter. THANK YOU. We specially appreciate this part when you clarified who would have to make the declaration “At this stage of affairs, then, it
    appears as if the “they” who are destined by prophecy to be “saying
    peace and security” is the entire United Nations nexus of nations, led
    by the Anglo-American kingdom.”

    AGAPE

  • Brian

    Robert, I would have thought the cry of peace and security would be sounded after the tribulation when the destruction is cut short and after the beast is destroyed and there has been given the extension of life of a time and a season to the rest of the kings after he has taken their authority away, as spoken of in Daniel.
    After such a cataclysmic tribulation and then it stops, this scenario would surely be seen as them (the Kings) bringing peace and security after such a slaughter has ravaged the earth.
    I was always under the impression that the day of Jehovah was when he finally, and physically removes mankind’s governments and all that will follow them from their positions?

    • ewatchman

      JW’s have differing opinions on it. But as I pointed out on the Front Page article their saying “peace and security” comes before the parousia.

      • Kevin b

        Saying there is peace and security before ISIS, and other terrorist organizations are destroyed would be a joke in my opinion. No one will feel safe when bombs are going off every day. I remember 1986 as the international year of peace, even watchtower printed a magazine on it, thats come and gone. At some point the world will have a false sense of peace and security, then the parousia will begin. It’s also interesting how this months public edition of the watchtower is about war. Most JWS are going to say this is timely information from Jehovah. Just like the 1914 operation of error, Satan makes the organization look like they have some insight from Jehovah. He’s a tricky one.

      • Kevin b

        Saying there is peace and security before ISIS, and other terrorist organizations are destroyed would be a joke in my opinion. No one will feel safe when bombs are going off every day. I remember 1986 as the international year of peace, even watchtower printed a magazine on it, thats come and gone. At some point the world will have a false sense of peace and security, then the parousia will begin. It’s also interesting how this months public edition of the watchtower is about war. Most JWS are going to say this is timely information from Jehovah. Just like the 1914 operation of error, Satan makes the organization look like they have some insight from Jehovah. He’s a tricky one.

        • ewatchman

          ISIS can easily be eradicated. What do you think Putin has been doing the past couple of months? The US war on terror has been a hoax. It is plain for everyone to see now. Now London, France and the US have to pretend they are taking care of the enemy they created.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Obviously it is a guise to throw Putin of track and the general public as well, but Putin is no fool, I believe he is well aware of their phony coalition against the supposed terrorist group Isis that they themselves had conjured up in order to manipulate sovereign nations like Russia and China .
            Like I said Putin is nobody’s fool and he’s just waiting for the solid evidence that he needs in order to confirm his suspicions, now please keep in mind that Putin vowed vengeance against those who brought down the Russian plane in Egypt ,one could only imagine the out come when Putin finds out the U.S. and their coalition were behind the downing of the Russian plane.
            But as for now he has to go along with their game perhaps destroying the phony Isis group and then they just might be saying peace and security.

          • Kevin b

            I agree. It seems the US has been playing both sides. It’s hard to believe they are that corrupt, but the facts don’t lie.

        • e.v.g

          There is no big difference if you hang on the wall a poster from a heavy metal band posing like a heroes and the closed mind showed to the leadership of JW’s
          It is because for a long time the people of Israel will dwell without a king, without a prince, without a sacrifice, without a pillar, and without an eph′od and teraphim statues (Hosea 3)

    • patri

      By ” saying peace and security”, the “smart” men, the real rulers of this satanic world, maybe “boasting” about an “accomplishment” in bringing in their one world religion/government. Its a ridiculing demonic lie mirroring what Christ’s Kingdom will truly bring about, the kind of bragging that “they” in opposition to Christ would announce, with great pride…

      • Brian

        Yes Patri, I would have to agree with what you have said whole heartily.

      • patri

        I remembered one of Robert’s absorbing articles, maybe about the eighth king but can’t be sure as there’s so much to take in here…

  • Joe Dman

    When they are saying Peace and Security, is it because they think they have it or that they think they are about to?
    Once again I started reading a tweeted article of Robert’s and clicked on the links: The UN has a plan to restore international peace and security – will it work? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/03/the-UN-has-a-plan-to-restore-international-peace-and-security-will-it-work/ … via @wef .
    The link: new plan of action
    is an outline requested by the president (of the U.N.?) with the first point containing the critical elements for success lists Political Participation. Point four requires engagement of all of society, religious leaders being at the top of the list.
    After the collapse it is widely accepted among JW’s, Robert expects it as well, that the beast will likely be in the form of the U.N.. So we should expect the policies and guidelines to survive. Whether they begin implementation before or after the sword stroke. Regardless, this outline that will likely be adopted in full or part spells doom for any individual and especially religious group who do not participate. Looks like prophecy has the potential to be fulfilled in this way. These are plans to bring about peace and security and they are serious since nothing else has been working. They want to get away from war but as history shows, there’s always a reset. i.e. the cold war hasn’t been an issue for decades and suddenly it’s worse than before. And as any stupid nation would do, the U.S. is ignoring it, or maybe they figured that teaching children to hide under their desks is useless.
    Anyhow, looks like the WTBTS has all the markings to be the first on the chopping block since there are no other significant religious groups that would refuse to participate in government. Then likely they’ll realize that religion in general is fraught with war mongers. Hence the Harlot’s prophesied doom.

      • Joe Dman

        Good video Joseph. Explains a lot as to why the UN is not very effective: letting nations like Syria and Iraq have rolls in making policies on human rights issues. They also believe that any rights a person will have under their control are dictated by them, not by the will of the people or the Creator. Really goes to reason why the UN will likely take on the role of the revived beast. Then it will be effective.
        Thanks.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Thank you JoeDman for this information. Very interesting. Real food for thought. Was watching The Kaiser Report on RT and a guest on the show said it would be wise to put aside some paper money for when the system goes cashless as pointed out by Brother King. Can’t remember if you brought out that point as well??

      • Joe Dman

        No I didn’t mention it. But I remember Robert saying that on a couple occasions. My wife has instructions to take the cash and immediately go buy as much food stuffs as possible before hyper inflation hits. Just depends on the situation. I’ve read a couple books about EMP scenarios. I use to really be in to survival prepping. I work out of town and I kept a long term bug out bag in my truck and crucial replacement electronics wrapped in Mylar bags within metal boxes (faraday cages). I bought an old emp proof diesel truck and packed a few drums with wheat and other seeds and bug proofed them. Generators, short wave radios, hand grinders, fuel drums, I could go on. Even a place in the country to hide it all. I tend to go all out. But most of that went on while I was df’d. I don’t just drink the KoolAid, I chug it. I did get interested in the short wave radio back when Robert planned to broadcast using one. I wonder what became of that? But searching for Jehovah is one thing that never gets boring. Every time I read the scriptures over it seems I learn something new.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Sorry Joe, really thought it was you that mentioned that point. Never mind. Wow, you really took your prepping seriously. Your instructions about buying provisions when hyperinflation hits is sensible and that is something that will happen. It’s good to be passionate about things. Who likes dull wishy-washy?? Ditto about learning something new every time we read the bible. It’s like reading it with fresh eyes.

          • Beverly kenyon

            Hey, Joe, just an afterthought, Brother King has covered it about a cashless society and brought out the point about the Watchtower and their billions in the banks simply disappearing when it goes cashless. Reminds me of the scripture at matthew6:20.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          I personally think it is rather wise to be prepared and I recommend that to some degree or another that we all should be prepared, I mean it just makes good common sense in view of what’s going on in Venezuela, just read the latest headlines. http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-venezuela-inflation-0531-snap-htmlstory.html

          • Joe Dman

            I read that article. Then there’s the prophecy that Egyptians will be fighting Egyptians (civil war) that brother King recently highlighted. Here in the U.S. few people actually believe any of that could happen. I just hope it’ll wake up our blind brothers and we’ll have the opportunity to speak up. Oddly enough I’ve been running in to some in-active witnesses lately. I’ve been taking the opportunities to explain 2 Thes2:1-12. Then how Isaiah 28 applies to God’s people, not Christendom. It gets your adrenalin pumping not knowing how they’ll react.

            • Sam

              what kind of reactions have you been getting Joe?

            • Joe Dman

              Well, it’s been mixed. Haven’t gotten a call from the elders yet. One inactive brother went home and inquired from his very active mother some of the things I had said. I plan to talk more about it to him. My Aunt informed me that she had heard about it. She herself wants me to tell her everything I know but won’t go to Robert’s site. Another Aunt who has since gotten baptized after studying off and on for 30 years listens and is very interested and agrees.
              A couple who I haven’t seen in 14 years who dis-associated themselves after unwanted advances toward the wife from a prominent elder listened and went to Robert’s site. Haven’t received feedback about the site from them as of yet.
              But the first thing I did a little over a year ago, after getting re-instated, was to go talk to a couple of elders and tell them about the help I received from Robert and that’s why I’m back. I hit close to the truth but didn’t say point blank that I couldn’t accept the 1914 doctrine. I let the “new understanding” of Christ not having rewarded his slaves be the focal point of our conversations. One wanted to know Robert’s name and I gave it to him, but he hadn’t heard of him. I even told the committee that met with me about a “Brother” on a website that was encouraging many to stay or return to the truth.
              After the scriptures that Kevin quoted above, I’m wondering if we’ll get any chance to talk to any of them after the crash. I’m about to reply to him.
              Anyway, thanks for asking. Probably a longer answer than you wanted to hear.

            • Sam

              No, not at all. i’m very interested to hear how others are getting on sharing these things. You’re doing a good job Joe..with Jehovah’s help of course. I’ve been able to discuss a lot of these things relating to the expectations of the end with my parents and they agree and seem more open to the possibility of things panning out very differently. One of my closest friends sees a lot of the hypocrisy with the obsession over money etc so that lends opportunity as well. Once things start shaking up we’ll be able to fully explain things and how the prophecies will be unfolding in front of us.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              When Jehovah’s raging flash flood of truth and judgments passes through his people and crushes their refuge of the 1914 lie, they will stumble and fall backward and be broken and ensnared and caught.

              Look! Jehovah has someone strong and mighty. Like a thundering hailstorm, a destructive windstorm, Like a thunderstorm of powerful flood waters, He will forcefully hurl it down to the earth.

              The prophets prophesy lies, And the priests dominate by their own authority. And my own people love it that way. But what will you do when the end comes?” Jeremiah 5:31

              Jehovah the God of their forefathers kept warning them by means of his messengers, / [Robert King] warning them again and again, because he felt compassion for his people and for his dwelling place.
              But they kept ridiculing the messengers of the true God, and they despised his words and mocked his prophets, until the “rage” of Jehovah came up against his people, until they were beyond healing.
              2 Chronicles 36:15, 16

              As often as it passes through, It will sweep you away; For it will pass through morning after morning, During the day and during the night.

              Only terror will make them understand what was heard.” Isaiah 28:

              And only then will his people finally take note and those who exercised true faith will not panic.

            • Joe Dman

              Kevin, if I laid out that many scriptures it would have taken me hours to find them first. You make it look easy. I would like to have that ability.
              It looks like maybe once this whole thing gets started that maybe we won’t have the opportunity to talk to anyone, since they may be “beyond healing”. Maybe Robert’s message that we may convey is the only opportunity to further strengthen their faith. After it starts all they will have is their own faith and ability to reason. Your thoughts?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You’re right, there will come a time during the tribulations when there will be a scattering due to the collapse of the entire political system as well as world war three.
              9 Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.
              for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.
              22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; Matthew 24:

              Revelation 6:
              The Lamb opens the first six seals (1-17)
              Conqueror on the white horse (1, 2)
              Rider of fiery-colored horse to take away peace (3, 4)
              Rider of black horse to bring famine (5, 6)
              Rider of pale horse is named Death (7, 8).

              Now with all this chaos it will be utterly impossible to conduct a bible study in view of these conditions.
              so it’s just like you said “After it starts all we have is our own faith and ability to reason.
              That’s why it’s imperative to seek Jehovah now why he may still be found because I guarantee you that the time is coming when the opportunity will be lost.

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Burt Reynolds

              This is frightening reading! One good thing to come out of the watchtower……slaves, only doing what is required of you. I had it said to me by the brothers quite often when I was pioneering. Certainly it is good training not to value yourself too highly and be prepared to accept death as consequence of faith.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              re: It looks like maybe once this whole thing gets started that maybe we won’t have the opportunity to talk to anyone, since they may be “beyond healing”.
              This wouldn’t exactly mesh with the judgment time IMO. I think as the remaining ones of the seed are fired up just like John the Baptist was in his day, there will be some who will gravitate to the truth. Those with an honest heart.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Joe, I’m the same as you when it comes to recalling scripture. You are not alone. I knew them pretty well 25 years ago, and could held scroll them up on the door quite impressively I thought, but now I am all rusted up but I remember what I learned, but not where to find it in the scripture. Guess I’m just getting old. Still, one crumb of comfort, I think we all know truth when we read it, or in my case, hits me in the face!

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              re: ” Then there’s the prophecy that Egyptians will be fighting Egyptians (civil war) that brother King recently highlighted” I must have missed it, where is this at?

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Kevin, I’m not wishing to be pedantic and I understand that we have to take responsibility to provide in this time, but where is the line between doing so as opposed to relying on Jehovah…having faith etc. I can pack my loft full of baked beans…And probably will do…but are we to have faith that Jehovah’s will provide for us in any form? If we are to be objects of oppression in this time, it seems to me that keeping stocks is likely to be a draw to others and then on the other hand, we are supposed to be ready to move…..though I can’t claim to have a Go-bag by the front door as does my sister. I suppose in the great scheme of things it’s not really important as few of us are likely to have three and a half years worth of food knocking about besides which, I’m probably too old to last that amount of time running to escape. Who was it that ate grass for three years….? Maybe in that case I aught to stock up on indigestion tablets! Best wishes.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              If GOD did not want us to be prepared then one must ask themselves,
              why would Jehovah give us forewarnings concerning the great tribulations?. Obviously he wanted us to be ready / prepared, however we must cultivate the same attitude that Jesus had when Satan the devil put him through the test concerning foodstuffs.

              4 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted
              by the Devil.

              2 After he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, he felt hungry.

              3 And the Tempter approached and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.”

              Now it’s hard enough to go without food for a couple of days so one could only imagine how Jesus must have felt after 40 days.

              Take note of the Jesus attitude when tempted by Satan.

              4 But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, “not on bread alone”,
              “but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.
              Matthew 4:

              Excerpt from To prepare, or not to prepare?.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/to-prepare-or-not-to-prepare/
              To be sure, ultimately salvation will not depend upon the things we possess or human survival skills; but does that mean that Christians should deliberately forgo emergency survival preparedness or judge others who choose to prepare? The Bible proverb says the shrewd one has seen the calamity and takes steps to conceal himself, while the inexperienced one passes on and pays the penalty.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Insightful written post Bklyn Kevin. My Muslim friend and colleague can just about get through the the day fasting during Ramadan. She turns into a proper Diva. (Me and her have lively discussions of our faiths). So Jesus must have felt that hunger acutely because he was perfect but perhaps that perfection is what kept him going for the 40 days! And holding on to his faith in not letting his Heavenly Father down. I have my stash of provisions but of course it won’t be lasting for the three and a half years of horror and carnage. I’m hoping maybe it could turn into the situation of the widow of Zarephath and my provisions won’t run out! 1Kings17:8-24. In the end of that bible account it was that widow’s faith that Elijah was Jehovah’s prophet that saved her and her son. Also in that account was the first bible account of a resurrection.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I have had many conversations with people concerning Jesus faith and most of them assumed / think that since Jesus was born perfect he was also born with perfect faith that was already instilled in him and then they would elaborate further and say”
              that’s why Jesus was able to achieve / accomplish the 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness without sustenance, well if that were true then why would Jehovah even allow Jesus to be tested? Since Jehovah already knew that the outcome would be in his favor,
              that wouldn’t be a test at all.

              The truth of the matter is although Jesus was born perfect he still felt pain as well as hunger and I would imagine since he was perfect he would be that much more sensitive.
              Still nonetheless Jesus had to learn obedience were the first Adam had failed and in order to accomplish that objective he had to be born as man and suffer as a man in order to accomplish his father’s will as to present himself as an unblemished ransom in order to repurchase mankind from the original adamic sin.

              Ultimately it was Jesus unwavering faith in his heavenly father which gave him the endurance needed to accomplish Jehovah’s will.

              Consider it all joy, my brothers, when you meet with various trials,
              knowing as you do that this tested quality of your faith produces endurance. But let endurance complete its work, so that you may be complete and sound in all respects, not lacking in anything.
              James 1: 2-4.

              Also please keep in mind that we have many more examples of “imperfect” men who surely stood fast when their faith was tested .
              Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.
              For by means of it, the men of ancient times* had witness borne to them.
              Hebrews 11:1-40

              Definition of faith (1, 2)
              Examples of faith (3-40)
              Impossible to please God without faith (6).

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Bklyn Kevin, many thanks for the reply. My work colleague who I witness to will be asking me on our next shift if you replied and what was said because I always tell him what’s going on, on EWatchman. He’s familiar on who’s who on the site and finds it all interesting. I just got back from work and most of our shift was spent talking about EWatchman, and some of the bible topics being discussed. I’m not a mind reader but he’s not faking being interested as he’s the one who asks. Thank you for referencing Hebrews 11 about faith. It’s so reassuring reading about the men and women of those times keeping their faith despite terrible things they endured. And of course like you mentioned, Jesus Christ who kept his faith to achieve the reason why he was sent to earth. When the system crashes it will be our faith that we will be holding on to. Have much respect for your massive knowledge of the bible.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Kevin, I think this is sound. Jesus would have been at deaths door after forty days without food and this is clearly, well in my opinion I should say…a test where the choice was eat or die. How else would Jesus appreciate the human state were he not to experience it to the full? Perhaps you can help clarify another point for me. It may seem rather basic but I had not thought of the issue before and the state of the organisation and its teachings have mislead me for years. Jesus returned to heaven to prepare a place for his disciples. But the hope is also earthly paradise. Yes we have the answers about the role of the anointed from the organisation, but I am looking for clarity and truth. Thanks. Best wishes.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Why is there so much opposition to the two-class system of the Watchtower?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoSs3oHY5k

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Burt Reynolds

              Thanks Kevin. That’s very helpful. I suppose it is basically a question of balance. Spiritual shrudeness so to speak. i shall stock up on both spiritual and physical food! Best wishes.

            • I’m with you on this one Burt, Few days worth will do, because without Jehovah’s intervention in keeping the great crowd feed and safe no one would be able to make it though. Because more than likely we’ll have to relocate, and what you did stockpile would be ransacked by hordes of starving people. And on the other hand if you have land and stockpiles of goodies, that’s awesome as well. Because maybe Jehovah will use you to take in some sheep.
              Stocking up on indigestion tablets was funny, think I can use one now.

            • patri

              Burt, I hope you read Bklyn K and Joseph’s replies and took note.
              You’ve just made me laugh so much,hahahahaha, can’t stop giggling. This will put your mind at rest… I took note of the WT advise with the go-bag by the door but have filled it full of dog biscuits coz my dogs only little but eats like a horse and if he’s moaning with hunger he’ll give my hiding place away, its in my shed, don’t tell anyone. I’ve listened to preppers and stored foodstuffs in the attic but the large family of wasps living rent free will finish that off so I’ve decided to starve. Did a dummy run yesterday and ended up eating the dog biscuits by four pm. Memo to self, more dog biscuits.If you are desperate for food I do have enough for four for a week so I could always meet you at the Turner Contemporary and share it with you and the missus. Best wishes Burt.

            • You Brits kill me, I love you guys!! One of these days I’m coming for a visit, so save some beans and dog biscuits !

            • patri

              More than welcome Joseph and p.s thanks for the link re the next american president, and all your links, and everyone’s links actually as so much can pass you by here… And it does. Regularly. No ‘spiritual’ famine you see thanks to Roberts tirelessness.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Joseph. English dog biscuits are really quite nice, full of roughage, calcium and minerals. God knows what the base material is made of….probably some form of used politician which gives that sort of slimy texture in the mouth….but if your hungry… I used to eat them quite often as a child, not that I was starving, but that my mother bred dogs…not personally so to speak…but you know what I mean. We had about twenty one running about the house and with four siblings as well, you had to get food where you could. When I was at boarding school, they made a damn good substitute for school dinners, the benefit being that no one else would raid your locker for them. School dinners were a law unto themselves. One offering called Cottage Pie consisted of some sort of gravelly intestinal gristle, boiled dry and glued between two think slabs of embalmed pastry made of powered eggs and cement and flavoured with a rotted onion, thus not a lot of difference between that and a dog biscuit…but the dog biscuit had vitamins. The semolina and jam that followed looked and tasted like some sort of infection. That’s why we English have a partiality towards dog biscuits because we have all been starved and abused at boarding school. Of course we all took it as jolly good sport donchaknow old bean and we still enjoy a jolly old Bonio at afternoon Tiffen. Top hole, stiff upper lip and all that sort of thing. No blubbering on parade.

            • Beverly kenyon

              After reading your hilariously written Sunday rant hope you don’t mind me suggesting maybe you should write in Brother Kings Guest Book, how did a boarding school boy who went on to develop a taste for Harrods Earl Grey tea then became a Jehovah’s Witness. Also loved reading the exchanges between you and Erick. It was lovely to see your friendship developing…….a bit like King David and Jonathan but without the horses and fighting!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Joseph, I will show you an English Macdonalds. They are, as we say in England, like a French public toilet in that they defy description! That’s a joke by the way…just in case our American brothers look upon the establishment in a different light!

            • Hello Burt, loved your Sunday rant as well! McDonald’s has the same reputation here in the states as well. And I must got a wee-bit of British in me, cause I start everyday with a nice warm spot of Earl Gray tea myself!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Patri, I was rather hoping that the Turner centre would be the focus of the tribulation with an emphasis on anything scrawled by Tracy Emin. It’s a difficult one really. Reading the comments below can be depressing as though death is inevitable no matter what we do. It’s an honour of course to be part of it, and moreso to be aware of it at this time of the end but I rather sort of hope to be involved in it rather that slaughtered by it. Half of it makes me want to dig a hole and the other half to get out there and help. I think our American brothers have the edge on us, they being armed to the teeth, they can go hunting. What have we got? Asda or sainsburys to pillage. Frankly I would rather fry up some garden snails. I am still trying to compose a letter to my sister about things learnt, but I get the impression that I am already a victim of the new improved shunning of ones that have fallen away that was gleefully demonstrated at the last assembly. It bothers me too that I cannot recall all the scriptures I used to when I was active. If I read something and put it down, I have to read it all again when I pick it up again to remind myself what I read before so that I can read on and understand what it was I was reading in the first place! That’s why i suppose it is so effective when the brothers on site here use the scriptures so that it turns a light of memory on when I read it. It is wonderful to be suddenly led into a room full of light after all these years dealing with the confusion engineered by the governing body, the half truths, the lies, the don’t do as I do, do as I tell you…..what the brother told me to do when I first studied as a JW. True!! I was too thick though to see the light back then. I thought I was looking at it. I am doing a bit of ‘cart’ witnessing now….I include Roberts site address on my contact emails etc with others, with the suggestion that they go there to seek light. I find it odd that many brothers who have left the organisation cease to look for Jehovah and just concentrate on admonishing the organisation as though by bringing down, they may gain gods favour, though they seemingly cease to recognise where he may be found, or the reason for it! Well, that is my Sunday afternoon rant over with. I shall go and make myself a nice cup of tea and hope that there will still be tea in the new order of things and that we are not cursed further by the ubiquitous evil tea bag. Have you ever tried Earl Grey from Harrods? It’s what a cup of tea made by Jehovah tastes like. Best wishes.

            • Burt, actually is frightening to think what the tribulation is going to be like over here, because all the guns. Have you ever seen black Friday shoppers fighting over a five dollar POS toaster. Just imagine when the pantry is bare.

              https://youtu.be/CzaTlaC5sPI

            • Burt Reynolds

              That is quite a common sight over here too Joseph, only in reverse…..brothers and sisters trying to get home from the Kingdom Hall after another bunker video. Strange to say, I have seen much the same at a convention at a new book release. I had better quit before I say too much……

      • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

        Hi everyone. These replies made me laugh. Thank you. I’ve been so depressed for the last week, since my district convention. Contrast my mood with the hard core koolaid drinkers in my hall (I do love em, but it’s just so weird!!…I consciously remind myself to “not think more than necessary of myself” ) who have been raving about how this was “the BEST convention EVER!!!”. Its literally been difficult to get out of bed this last week. Anyway, is there a suggested protocol on this forum about “revealing” where we all live?? I love to cook organic food and I’d love to have a picnic if any of y’all live nearby. (Robert, we live the next state over….do you want a visit?!) I’m just feeling lonely and depressed and typing is good, but not a substitution IMO. We live in Wisconsin BTW.

        • patri

          Don’t bother asking Burt!

        • Sorry to hear that you have been feeling depressed, you would expect to come back from the assembly feeling uplifted. Not so anymore, once you disconnect the Kool-Aid drip line and go sober now it becomes a balancing act. Trust me I know it’s a battle, sometimes you just want to run for the door screaming and pulling out your hair????. Wish I lived close to you, a organic picnic would be amazing & yummy.
          I live in Virginia, Burt,Bev.& Patri all live in Britain. Joe Dman rests his bones in Texas. Robert is in Michigan. Not sure about the rest, dead Alien where you from? Kevin and Lenard are Brooklyn boys. If anyone ever rolls through the east coast, look me up.

          • Sam

            I’m another filthy Brit 😛

          • Kevin b

            Richmond, Va. Looks like we are almost neighbors!

            • I know, was the best news all year!!
              Wasn’t sure to post

            • Kevin b

              I know, it’s hard to believe we’ve been traveling the same old roads all these years.

              I figured, thanks for your discretion, just trying to stay under MOTHERS radar.

              ( MOTHER = BRANCH), just saying.

            • Secret is safe with me, my brother!

        • Beverly kenyon

          Freshly cooked organic food, good company, that ticks all the boxes! I do remember those very same words spoken at the end of the conventions, best convention EVER. Each convention was the best. So if it was the best EVER why did I come away feeling wretchedly drained! Then feelings of guilt and self loathing because surely I should be feeling spiritually recharged. So then I’d feel bad because I’m not a good enough witness. The emotional battle was endless. It did my head right in!! There was a plus side though, I learnt the art of sleeping with my eyes open!! Don’t worry Alexandra, you’ll bounce back soon. Sometimes we have to step back a little and count the many blessings we have.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Speaking of peace and security..I know this is oblique to the subject in hand but it is part of the peace issue. For a long time I have been wondering about the issue of slavery cited in the bible, Genesis and exodus etc. Can someone explain to me the issues over slaves being passed down from the head of the household to his sons…inperpetuity…but the Hebrew slaves were allowed to go free at the jubilee. There is also the issue of the slave owner being able to kill his slave and only be punished. Is that not murder? I know the issue of accidental slaying…we have a similar law in England that gives a time when the victims death, should it occur a year and day after the event, is not counted as murder. There are also issues of Jehovah killing people for what seems a minor offence and I would just like some assistance on rationalising these issues with the justice of Jehovah. Thanks.

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