The wild beast from the abyss

//The wild beast from the abyss

Tuesday, September 5

Scrolls were opened.—Rev. 20:12.

The Bible informs us that scrolls will be opened to give us directions in new world living. By studying these, all people, including resurrected ones, will be able to know God’s will for them. These scrolls will surely give us further insight into Jehovah’s mind. Guided by an ever-increasing understanding of God’s inspired Word along with what will be revealed in the new scrolls, inhabitants of the earthly Paradise will certainly treat their fellow man with love, respect, and dignity. Imagine the educational program that will be carried out under the direction of the King, Jesus Christ! Everlasting life awaits those who respond favorably to the “things written in the scrolls.” Those who maintain integrity to God through the final test will have their name written permanently by Jehovah in “the scroll of life.” That can be our lot!

I know I am probably whipping a dead horse with this, as the saying goes. I guess I can’t help it. Who knows, though, perhaps some JW will be moved to think and reconsider some of the things the Watchtower has put on the table as spiritual food. Not that it would make one iota of difference in the outcome.

Anyway, to elaborate on yesterday’s commentary regarding the Watchtower’s interpretation of Revelation, consider, again, the absurdity of the notion that the seventh head of the beast suffered a fatal wound during WWI and that the League of Nations was the image of the beast. Besides the fact, as I have pointed out many times, that the United States was not even a member of the League, and hence the League had zero authority over America, it is blasphemous to assert that God has condemned a large segment of mankind to the second death for their having given their allegiance to the impotent League of Nations —assuming that was even possible.

For those who may not grasp the point, the 13th chapter of Revelation makes it clear that the world is brought into judgment by God after the beast makes a surprise recovery from its seeming fatal head wound. And those who are amazed by its recuperation and who pay homage to the beast and its image do not have their names written down in the book of life. That means they forfeit a resurrection and have no hope of surviving into the new world.

The scriptures reveal after the beast recovers it wages war against the holy ones, conquering them. Verses 7 and 8 state: “It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it. From the founding of the world, not one of their names has been written in the scroll of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.”

Before going any further, here is a question to consider: Has the Anglo-American dual world power ever had authority over every nation on earth? The answer is clearly no. Did the League of Nations ever have any authority? Of course not. Most people living now are hardly even aware there was such an organization as the League. Yet, the Watchtower claims that Jehovah sentenced persons to everlasting death who may have supported the League in some way. The foremost question this ought to raise is this: Why is Jehovah so unjust and arbitrary?

What about the United Nations? Does it have authority over all nations?  Again, no. It does not. However, what is noteworthy is, unlike the League the UN does have the potential to become a world government, if it were so empowered. It is sort of a global government in waiting —a placeholder for something to come.

So, while it is simply not true that the United Nations fulfilled the prophecy attributed to it, there is no question that its promoters intend to empower it as a world government, but the main hinderance is nationalism. Individual nations simply are not willing to cede their sovereignty to a supranational organization. However, when we look at the European Union and how member nations have been forced to comply with the dictates of Brussels it is not so unimaginable that an organization like the UN could, under certain circumstances, acquire supreme power over all nations. Of course, that would mean the end of democracy and the Westphalian nation-state system, but  it would fulfill the prophecy that depicts the beast having authority over all tribes and tongues and nations.

Since the collapse of the USSR the Anglo imperialists have devised a strategy for global domination. The ruination of nations like Iraq, Libya and Syria has simply been key preliminary steps toward global hegemony. But Russia’s intervention in Syria has been an effective roadblock, the proverbial line in the sand. Without doubt, the Russo/Sino partnership presents a formidable challenge to the Anglo scheme for global domination. Given the current standoff, war between the nuclear powers seems to be all but inevitable.

Surely a war between nuclear powers is un-winnable. It will only result in ruination beyond anything that has ever befallen the nations. In the aftermath of such a catastrophe the nations would accept global government.

Returning to the Scriptures, the 17th chapter of Revelation reiterates that same judgment, saying: “The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And the inhabitants of the earth—those whose names have not been written in the scroll of life from the founding of the world—will be amazed when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses may not realize it but the Watchtower actually teaches that there are two seven-headed beasts that ascend out of the abyss on two different occasions. Amazingly, the beast described above is said to be the League of Nations. It went into a state on non-existence when the Second World War broke out. It is said to have emerged from the abyss when the United Nations arose following the war.

But the 11th chapter of Revelation speaks about the beast rising from the abyss and killing God’s two anointed witnesses, which the Watchtower claims took place back during the First World War. That beast is said to have come from the abyss in the sense that it arose from the sea of mankind —and the sea may also be called an abyss. So, in order to fit their interpretation the Watchtower has concocted two different meanings for what an abyss is, even though Revelation uses the term abyss in the exact same context regarding those who do not have their names written in the scroll of life.

The fact is there is only one symbolic beast that ascends from the abyss. The scarlet-colored beast that John saw, that was, but is not, yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, is the same beast that suffered a fatal head wound. After the fatal blow the beast “is not.” In other words, there will be no functioning government for a brief time. The healing of the mortal blow coincides with the beast emerging from the abyss. We know that to be true by reason of the fact that those who follow the beast do not have their names written in the book of life. That is the commonality.

Interestingly, the angel was speaking to John at the point in the vision when the beast “was not” —foretelling it is about to ascend from the abyss in the future. That would seem to indicate that the sons of God who are on hand when the beast goes into the abyss will only be enlightened by Christ after the system crashes. For sure, as I have stated before, the blindness of the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses is impenetrable. It will require the crash of the entire system to get them into the proper frame of mind.

The reason the Watchtower has gone to such lengths to interpret Revelation in such a way is due to the influence of the Devil, who is intent on creating a fake return of Christ, which he masterfully has in the form of the Watchtower’s 1914 doctrine.

Knowing as we do the death stroke on the beast coincides with the ouster of the demons from heaven, which occurs as a result of the Kingdom coming to power, using “every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception,” the Devil has succeeded in convincing Jehovah’s Witnesses that the things that must shortly take place have already taken place.

2017-09-07T09:03:55+00:00 September 5th, 2017|Commentary|265 Comments
  • Easach of Coimbatore

    Proverbs 27:22 is the answer why the leadership of wts will not listen even though Robert was presenting the facts for so many years regarding beast coming from the abyss.

  • Marvin W

    Some things to think about in today’s worldview

    The White Horse, Zionist Israel, Jerusalem – The False Prophet
    The Red Horse, USA, Washington DC – Beast of the land
    The Black Horse, Great Brittain, City of London, Beast of the Sea
    The Pale Horse, Holy Roman Empire, The Vatican – The Beast from the Abyss

    These are the 4 powers the control the Western Hemisphere.

    • Giuseppe

      Puff Puff Give ….

      https://youtu.be/Wbw-kxmjtCY

      • swears way too much for this site for the public

        • Giuseppe

          True, hard to find a clean version.

          • yeah i understand. just edit em yourself

          • The Raven

            I didn’t see what it was you posted but you’ve always found some very good vids. It’s hard to find any clean versions of a lot of good stuff., especially those dealing with controversial topics. Even the music is loaded with obscenities although they speak a lot of truth. Hard to dig up stuff without pressing the envelope. It sucks. lol!

            • Giuseppe

              Glad you enjoyed, I found it Hilarious!! I was just trying to make a point that you would have to be high to think that’s the 4 horsemen of revelation. Puff Puff Give ???

            • The Raven

              Yep. Weve seen a lot of ideas which may fit a single component or two of the narrative but they fail when placed in the big picture.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I googled it too….now it’s indelibly burnt into my mind. It’s a wholly new form of communication. Were I to believe in evolution, I would class it as the first gutteral attempt to follow the original grunt. Yo, man.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Can there be a clean version!?
            Ahem……’I say old bean, please avail yourself of a couple of puffs from the pipe only, then please do pass it on to your colleague.’ I don’t know why they need to complicate the language when there is a straightforward alternative with no expletives. ‘Nowotimeen?’

      • Marvin W

        Why send that vulgar YouTube. Disgusting

    • You give credence to the Watchtower’s warning about independent thinking and trying to understand the Bible on your own. lol

      • Besorongola Rainisoa

        Make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper+ and deep respect…

        • The question I keep asking myself is why I ought to play host to people who have no clue and no desire to learn anything. And the answer is, of course, I don’t. That’s why I am bouncing you.

    • Craig Knight

      That’s way out there!!!

    • Easach L S of Coimbatore

      Don’t think 4 powers the control the Western Hemisphere only they also control India like country hence they have control world wide. I cannot post it here.

      • Marvin W

        The Holy Roman Empire received its blow to the head in 1798 when Napoleons army invaded and defeated Rome, then putting the Pope under house arrest and the Holy Roman Empire ceased being a nation. It was not until 1929 that The Vatican once again became a country, healing the head wound. The Jesuits made the CAtholic Church the richest entity on the planet. The Holy Roman Empire is ruling as the 8th king already, they just haven’t announced it publicly to the world

        • Amazingly, the WT used to teach something quite similar, that Babylon had fallen in 1798 and the last days began. In time they dropped that silly nonsense. So, there is hope for you too.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I have to admit….that’s quite funny.

        • Easach of Coimbatore

          So the Vatican’s financial system is controlled by Rothschild. So eight king is under control of someone then how he can be at the same time the ruler of the. Just tell me how the Vatican can control a country like India, but UN has the potential. Please open your eye. You are definitely seeing some Christendom site and they r nonsense than WTS
          It is utter nonse to even to think that Vatican is 8th king. It is irrelevant.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Sounds exciting, but I think you may over estimate the significance of the Vatican.

    • Alex Henrique

      Sorry but does not make sense. Is what i think.

  • Craig Knight

    This League of Nations teaching just doesn’t make sense as you say Robert. As a kid I was told that Brother Rutherford foretold that the UN would be 8th king like He had some kind of Revelation from God. But the UN was already in the news at the time. So that was hokum as well. I can’t remember who told me that but I always thought they were inspired when I heard that as a kid. Ton’s of people knew the UN was taking over for the impotent League. So Rutherford was no divine seer.

    • Easach L S of Coimbatore

      When I saw your comment you always thought they were inspired when I heard that as a kid I got laughing.

      Well what you said is correct that Rutherford was no divine seer but a drunkard. It is because of him that alcohol influence came into Bethel. I don’t know how Robert King once commented that Rutherford was right on lot of points in the Bible. What!!? Holy spirit on a drunkard!!!?
      If it is so then I will nullify my present Nazarite vow.

      Once I punched a Ministerial servant and an Bethelite for inviting me to drink alcohol on the trace of the Kingdom hall as they rented their first floor of their house for meetings. He did not tell his father who is also an elder, if he would have done the retaliation would have been severe from my side. He did said I will see you man. I said do that and see the effect. His marriage would have stopped!! But now he is my good friend and understood why I did so.

    • Easach L S of Coimbatore

      Rutherford was no divine seer but a drunkard

      • Craig Knight

        Hi Easach – I have been travelling so I couldn’t get right back to you. Well, Rutherford was filled with some kind of spirit anyway. Ha ha! I guess to be fair some people can hold booze better than others and Rutherford liked to drink. Jesus is the only one who can judge if a person was a drunk or not. We’ve all heard of the Bethel beer parties! Not a good thing.

        • Easach of Coimbatore

          Bethel beer parties! Never heard of that!! Really??!!

          • Craig Knight

            Oh yeah I had a good childhood friend go to Bethel and He said they always had beer parties there. Any ex Bethelite will tell you the same.

            • Richard Long

              We have at least one among us. Let’s ask Max.

            • Craig Knight

              Yeah good idea! We can all go to Maxes for a beer party and ask him, HA HA!

    • Rutherford died in 1942. It was his successor, Nathan Knorr, who gave a convention speech during the thick of WW2 titled “Peace, Can it Last?” Not only did Knorr indicate that the war would end and not lead into Armageddon, but that the League would be revived in some form. And sure enough, it was. Ever since then the WT has claimed that the UN is the beast that crawled up out of the abyss.

      Pretty clever actually. But since it is demonstrably not true, it is really just a lying sign and unrighteous deception worked by the Devil.

      • Craig Knight

        Clever rascal’s alright! I was at a District convention at the Cow Palace around 1971 give or take a year and Knorr gave a talk and pretty much said that Armageddon was coming in 1975. That was wishful thinking on his part because He had a brain tumor at the time and wanted things to end.

        • Easach of Coimbatore

          Is that So? So that means he wanted an end because his end was near? Am I right! So it well suits a Tamil proverb that says: Janallay nonaijai thirutu poonay kanay moodikinu palay kudicha adhu nenaikudhu vulgam ellam irrutu aana madhari = If a thief cat enters into a window and closes its eyes and drinks milk in the kitchen it things as if the whole world has become darkened. So is this story.

          • Craig Knight

            Ha ha! I love that Tamil story! A thief cat or a cat burgler. Ha! So Knorr was dying and was hoping to dodge the bullet with false prophecy. I guess He was disappointed with 1975 being false. Here is a clip from a convention and Fred Franz speaking about 1975.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBwKX-5qXT0

            • Richard Long

              “Some of the friends may have speculated…”

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              Thanks Tamil people make lot of good proverbs. I live in kovaipudur Coimbatore google and see. By the by where are u from? Tell me.

            • Craig Knight

              Easach – Hi again! I live in the state of California in Silicon Valley where all the people here worship the God of money and people walk around like zombies because they are so stressed out trying to keep up with the Jonses.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Yes, I was fed that when I came into the truth. The League of Nations, was ‘killed’ and then rose again as the United Nations. I’d like to rub my brother in laws nose in it right now! I think what deceived me at the time was the then aire of love and kindness amongst the brothers. In retrospect they were just being welcoming to a new captive. I remember thinking that people this honest and kind would not lie to me. I was wrong on all three counts.

      • They don’t know they believe a lie. They are under the WT’s deluding influence. That’s a little different than knowingly deceiving others.

        • Burt Reynolds

          That’s true. I suppose I was mistaking that with the kind attitude they have as long as you believe what they do. But then again, that’s true of all religions and even of governments. I guess I’m just old and bitter.

      • Craig Knight

        Yeah you’re right! We let down our guard when we see what we think is love. The love bomb is practiced in a lot of religions like the Moonies and many others. But just try saying that 1914 is bunch of garbage and then see how much love you get. Ha ha!

    • Ken Rosenberg

      Rutherford was practicing spiritism. That’s why he had flashes of light and Revelations accompanied by them.

      • KB

        I’ve done a fair amount of research on the ole “judge”, but I haven’t heard about him practicing spiritism. In what way did he do that?

        • Richard Long

          They don’t call liquor “spirits” for nothing! just sayin… o.O

        • Ken Rosenberg

          Read the book Demonism and the Watchtower

  • Sam Knight

    Fascism suffered a death stroke to the head in 1945. And again when the soviet system fell. Seems to have made a come back in Russia now. I was amazed when they banned JWs on 20th april, Hitler’s birthday.
    What if the new world order turns out to be a reemergence of this. Is it possible to interpret it that way?

    • Easach L S of Coimbatore

      To Respected Sam Knight
      Death stroke happens only once not twice. The death stroke that is going to happen is on one of the 7 heads of the wild beast, both Fascism and Communism of Soviet era did not had world wide effect as they did not rule world wide so they cannot be considered as one of the seven heads of the wild beast. Both Fascism and Communism are British orchestrated to bring American potential to its side and Fascism and Communism are forgotten history. See always remember one thing the Bible will never indicate anything that is insignificant and irrelevant. If Bible indicates means it should have world wide impact.

      Take for example people in India like country never knew about fascism and the effects of Soviet union but we certainly know the effect of British imperial system as our original local kings and ancestors suffered a lot and have been killed through many Anglo wars by British East India company as well as famine and now we feel the American influence through their MNCs since 1995.

      So the one who ruled world wide (British imperial system) can be called as one of the seven heads of the wild beast. The fall of the Anglo-American system will be actual death stroke on one of the seven heads of the wild beast and it is yet to occur.

      Therefore the question what you have asked Is it possible to interpret it that way?
      The answer is NO! The above description is the answer.

      • Sam Knight

        Does Jehovah God require us to believe in conspiracy theories in order to understand prophecy?

        • Sam Knight

          Because when i logically decipher what I’m reading here. I see bible prophecy being interpreted from an alternate historical point of view. I therefore have to conclude that it would be unreasonable of a God of love to make the truth only understandable to people with mental illnesses. Is terribly unfair.

          • Easach of Coimbatore

            If you consider we are mental illnesses those of us here then why do you associate here? Go and have friendship with GB of WTS.
            Your view point is wrong!!! Do you want explanation that alternate history is not false? I will explain if you contact me in easajw@gmail.com

            • Sam Knight

              I do apologise Easach. That was a little rude of me. You all seem very genuine and honest.
              Thank You for the information.

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              I accept ur apology, otherwise there is no use of being one of Jehovah’s worshipers. Let the sacrifice of Christ cover our multitude of difference. With love and affection to u from me and my family I encourage u to continue to put faith in Jehovah through Jesus. I also encourage u to put faith in this website. I learned a lot through this site better than wts, that is why I and my wife are very strong in field service. I boldly say I know bible better than a CO or even a GB. I actually learned the thruth only in 2010 when I saw this website the very first time though I am a born JW. If I had missed this site, I would have become an atheist. Jehovah and Jesus helped me through brother Robert king. Be happy learn the truth and love Jehovah and Jesus.

        • Easach L S of Coimbatore

          Not necessarily! But it makes us to understand how the prophecy works. The real history is hidden and what we see the text book version is manipulated for example the Lusitania ship incident, the killing of Indian freedom fighter ShubashChandrabose, 9/11 attack. Whoever tells the real history he/she/that is termed as conspiracy.
          You see because it is tagged to conspiracy the WTS do not look into that and go according to textbook version hence blind. If the conspiracy is false why the events go as per conspiracy theory? Just go to greatgameinida.com and click under India in Cognitive Dissonance Book and content number 11 From Here On: Demonetization To DeAurization. Why this is not appearing in the text books or media news? Just go through website you will know the truth.

          As for your question the answer is believing in in conspiracy theories in order to understand prophecy is not a requirement of Jehovah. Take for example my father who is 87 years old an brain hemorrhagic patient. He knows Jehovah and believes n Jesus Christ, but he don’t know anything about this conspiracy theories. What makes him to believe in Jehovah and Jesus is John:17:3.

        • Easach of Coimbatore

          the below mentioned link is greatgameindia.com

        • Burt Reynolds

          I hope not. The argument for holographic planes hitting the world trade centre as bombs went off is quite plausible, as is light direct energy dissolving the metal into dust. The technology is there. If we have to understand that lot and Kennedy as well as the banking system, then I’m done for.

  • Easach L S of Coimbatore

    Robert King The above figure UN and the Nebuchadnezzar’s dream image is good. Did you use photo shop?

    • No. I bought it. Apparently there are other folks out there that think along similar lines.

  • Simpletruth

    Two seven-headed beasts? Wow. I should share this with my father who’s an elder and see what he says. LOL

  • Simpletruth

    Thank you for this article @ewatchman:disqus …it was very enlightening

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Correct me if i’m wrong , i was under the assumption that the wild beast that “was,” represented the Roman Empire at the time of Johns vision. But wouldnt be the same Beast or Government that was going to rise from the abyss that fulfills the prophecy at the end. Is this the correct?

    • At Revelation 17:10 the angel explained the riddle to John: “And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.”

      So, the five kings that had already fallen in John’s day were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece. Rome “is,” or rather, was, in the first century. The one that had not arrived is the seventh king, the Anglo duo. But the entire beast of the vision symbolizes the eighth king during the Lord’s day. And the 8th king is what the angel was talking about when he spoke of the beast that was but is not, and is about to ascend out of the abyss.

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Sounds like this means that since the Duo Empire will not be passed on to any other kingdom, the duo kingship is quite literally the cloaked eighth King.. basically only thing needs to happen is, topple the Republic, the 8th King reveals itself?

        • I think so. Yes. Topple the republic and transfer authority to the UN. Probably set up a crypto currency that the UN will administer

          • Giuseppe
            • Jamie Mac

              Hi G, that’s your 3rd name change I think. I thought we had lost you. I also need to know where Arvind has got to. Maybe he has changed his name as well 🙂

            • Richard Long

              I suspect Arvid is having a somewhat adverse reaction to the ugliness of last week and since his internet time is limited, is choosing to use it to sail more peaceful waters.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Richard, how are you. I really hope the wind in his sails directs him back to this site, don’t you.

            • Richard Long

              Absolutely. Arvid is the finest amongst us, IMO.

            • Jamie Mac

              Yes indeed. Always lovely and insightful comments and just seems a loving caring man. Just think , everyone will be like that in the kingdom ( eventually ). Now that’s a fine thought.

            • Giuseppe

              Hiya JM, Hope you are doing well, yeah I like to keep people guessing! I use my real name in different cultures ???…im not going anywhere.
              Your right! What happened to our wise and wonderful Arvid?

            • Burt Reynolds

              It’s lambing season?

            • Giuseppe
            • us.blastingnews.com/opinion/2017/09/will-central-banks-around-the-world-begin-to-crack-down-on-crypto-currencies-002002919.amp.html

          • Craig Knight

            There are a few good websites like Moneygps on youtube and an economist James Rickards who I have been reading and they both support what you say about the economy and the creation of a new currency after a reset takes place. It could happen over night. So we are much nearer to that happening than most people realize. Sobering thought.

            • Jamie Mac

              James Rickards, oh boy Craig. I been watching you tube videos of this guy over the last year and his predictions have been wrong every time. The only reliable forecast/prediction call it what you want is from Jehovah himself and unfortunately our creator hasn’t revealed the exact time. We have to keep on the watch as you know.

              James Rickards is not the only one in the speculation market. There are many and I now realise they can be a constant distraction. It’s not easy keeping on the watch as there are many things that can tickle your ears and may point to something brewing.

            • Craig Knight

              I got into trying to get a clearer picture of the economy because the end seems to start with the financial collapse. As Robert says the King of the North fights the King of the South over monetary matters. At least that plays a big part. Some of these economists are actually gold and silver pumpers as they are called. Like most subjects it’s hard to know who to believe. I heard that Rickards got some things wrong but He does seem to understand how the Govt’s are lying and that there will be a reset of the system. All these economists don’t understand God’s plan in this system. They seem to think this reset will pass and life will go on. But we know otherwise.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Craig, your right, life will go on but not in the way most people expect it to.

            • Craig Knight

              My older Brother is a victim of Berzerkely college about as liberal/atheist as a person can get. He told me that this system is going down not because God is planning on destroying it but because of what Man has done. My Brother is very erudite but a fool by God’s standards. Psalms 53:1 The fool says in his heart,
              “There is no God.”
              They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;
              there is no one who does good.
              2God looks down from heaven
              on all mankind
              to see if there are any who understand,
              any who seek God.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I would imagine that anyone who can call themselves a Berzerkonion, would have that problem! I went to a Masonic school and was frowned on by the congregation.

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              Was Russell a Masonic?

            • Craig
            • Easach of Coimbatore

              Oh really

            • Craig
            • Richard Long

              Robert has written on this. Apparently Russell himself had nothing to do with the Masonic monument near his grave.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I have no idea. My father was rather high up in his own Lodge and on his death I was sent to the Royal Masonic school in London. I wouldn’t recommend it.

            • Alex Henrique

              Barbara Anderson made a research about this and find that Russel never was a Masonic.

              http://watchtowerdocuments.org/charles-taze-russell-was-not-a-pennsylvania-freemason/

            • Just so you know, I don’t allow links to JW blogs. Barbra Anderson is okay because I link to her in my articles. But with other blogs, my criteria is, if they don’t link to me I don’t link to them. And I can assure you those weasels would never link to me.

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              Oh the evidence what you have linked is what I was looking. Thanks a lot

            • Alex Henrique
            • Richard Long

              In case it was lost in translation, he meant University of California at Berkeley.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I thought it a bit of an odd name, but given some of the place names in Britain, I didn’t question it. Rather like your Foggy Bottom near Washington. If there was a university there, you would presumably have to admit to other alumni that you were an ‘Old Foggy Bottom.’ There are many not dissimilar problems for a lot of us in England.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Of course it will…..you of all people will know the immortal words, of Churchillian weight and gravity, uttered by Spock to captain James T Kirk. ‘It is life Jim, but not as we know it.’ I have set my phaser at Stun.

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              What connection is there with Star treck.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Jamie’s comment.. Life will go on but not as we expect it to. It’s a play on words.

            • Huldah

              Have you watched “The Four Horsemen”documentary on YouTube? You’ll love it. Its about the decline of empire and the economy.

              Incredibly, I became obsessed with studying the economy just a few years ago. It was so exhilarating to see the truth. Then I found Robert’s site. It was so natural to see that the economic collapse played into the prophetic scene. I don’t think it was coincidence that the process occurred that way for me.

            • Huldah

              Rickards has a big problem with arrogance. He’s good to get a big picture. I don’t put much stock in short term prognostication anyway.
              I always think pride weakens intellect so you have to take him with a grain of salt. I like that his thoughts are not centered around being a gold bug like most.

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s very true. I don’t know the chap and I try to avoid such sites because they ‘do my head in’ ( which as you know does not take much ) and just cause me consternation. Then I feel that I should be educating myself to world events and keeping on the watch…..but the problem with that is that they all have an agenda opposite to that of the bible, ergo, how to survive it and repair it. No one seems to be jumping up and down, rejoicing that it’s going away. And of course not. They just don’t know when, And neither do we.

            • Huldah

              I like those two. I’ve listened to Rickards book”The New Case for Gold” twice.
              GPS is my go to Youtube guy.
              Theres some truth there.

        • “duo kingship is quite literally the cloaked eighth King”

          basically yes.

          the north’s “scheme” is a process that has taken over the U.S.. the U.S. is not even what everyone who escaped there intended it to be. the U.S. has been taken over by British procedures but now suddenly just as scripture said, the south wants to MAGA but as we all know, the south isnt going to be the original American way, its take over will be finalized wuth a death-stroke and revival

      • Easach of Coimbatore

        That’s exactly the point.

  • Jamie Mac

    Anyone know where Joseph has got to ?

    • He has started using the Italian version of his name. He is now Giuseppe.

      • Giuseppe

        Yup, my dad’s mothers side- pure Italian!

        • Burt Reynolds

          How am I supposed to spell that! Can’t I just call you Al and you can call me Betty…..if you’ll be my bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal as well.

          • Huldah

            I think “G” has a nice ring to it. Or Sep-meister.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I didn’t know he had an Italian connection….I’ve got visions of Joseph driving to work in his big truck with a machine gun in a violin case by his side. Given the site here, perhaps his nickname should be the ‘god father.!’

            • Huldah

              I like it GOD….FATHER.
              A little on the trinitarian side and you better warn G he might get struck by lightening if he uses it.

              (Hi G! My mom used to say, “My ears are burning. Someone must be talking about me.” Are your ears burning?)

  • Anderiega

    I was literally raised on the “Revelation Grand climax” book. I believed all this WT “stuff.” I can clearly remember my over-rehearsed comments at book study. I’d remember the WT meaning of a Revelation verse for a couple days, but nothing could stick. Lies are hard to understand. They can only be memorized.

    Now I can have greater empathy for people like Mormons…..us JWs believing this Revelation interpretation nonsense is almost as ridiculous as what Mormons memorize and believe. There are so many delusions swimming around out there! It’s one thick soup of delusions!

    Only Jesus’ actual second coming and the total collapse of society and world power can uncover the true Revelation! I feel a bit more clear headed and hopefully prepared to stand firm for what’s on the horizon….since I no longer believe it is 20th century history!

    • Hey, at least you were a kid. I was the book study conductor for the Climax book, not once, nor twice, but three times. I never questioned any of it. I guess that was all part of the brainwashing process, going over it and over it, sort of like hypnotism.

      • one thing in the anti Climax book i questioned, besides wondering about its explanations of the America & Russia ongoings during the wars, was about the seed and the angels. https://e-watchman.com/woman-prophecy/

        i dont remember what my thoughts were at the time causing me to detect that but i remember questioning something didnt jive right and brought it up to an elder last time we studied that book

        • Nigel

          “the anti-Climax book”: hahahaha awesome

          • Beverly kenyon

            Hiya, Nigel, read your absolutely SUPERB & BRILLIANT post this morning, the one where you posted to Richard talking about the Power of God’s Kingdom and your post to him has vanished so I’m having to post you here on this article. As usual you brought out some fabulous points about the Kingdom and it reminded me of that scripture in 1Corinthians4:20 where Paul is reminding those ones in Corinth that God’s Kingdom is about Power and not ‘grandiose talk’ as the Voice Bible puts it and the ESV bible states regarding that same verse, ‘For the Kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power’. Also, it should give ones who rely on their own wisdom and think they can see and get close to God simply by observing nature, something to really think about and that Kingdom and what it actually mean and it’s also not just about the ‘Good news of the preaching work’ it’s about the Power of the Kingdom and the sanctification of the Heavenly Father’s Name and the blessings that very Kingdom bring to Mankind. Ones who pontificate with their own wisdom should remember Hebrews4:12 and look to Gods Word to have the last say as it gets straight to heart of the matter.

            As usual Nigel I always look forward to anything you have to say.

            • Nigel

              Hello Sister Beverly!

              I noticed that my comment was removed (once again).

              I’m writing an expanded version of it at this very moment and once I’m finished I’ll post it on the forum topic I made some time back:

              https://e-watchman.com/topic/why-jehovahs-witnesses/

              🙂

              (Great points you made above, btw.)

            • Beverly kenyon

              Can’t wait Nigel! It’s going to be fantastic! I must say, even though your insightful posts ‘vanishes’ which I find so strange…why your’s?! I have to thank Brother King for allowing all of us to have the opportunity to communicate in this way, on his blog as I’m sure it must take some effort on his part to keep his blog going but looking on the flip side without people commenting there would be no blog, so it’s swings and roundabouts! Anyhoo, so excited to read what what you have to say when you post.

              Thank you for your kind words regarding my post but for me the Kingdom is about THE Power of that Kingdom and everything it entails. Can’t wait! ????

            • Nigel

              Posted!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Fabulous! Gonna read it now. Thank you Nigel.

      • Alex Henrique

        I began my study with Jehovah’s Witnesses in the middle of the second study of the book “Climax of Revelation.” When
        I went to study for the third time I was already baptized, but if I am
        not mistaken, I already questioned myself as to whether that was the
        true interpretation. However, there are undeniably many correct interpretations in that book.

        As for brainwashing, I can not say or disagree. I wish I could call Jesus and definitely settle the matter. I think it is wise to wait for judgment. Jesus will do.

        (1 Corinthians 4:5) Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes. He will bring the secret things of darkness to light and make known the intentions of the hearts, and then each one will receive his praise from God.

        • Burt Reynolds

          I agree absolutely with your quoted scripture and I like the point you make that Jesus will also be waiting for judgement to occur. That is humility in its purest sense I feel. Jesus, inheriting the throne of the father, stills waits for the due time, whilst we down here busy ourselves with telling each other what will happen, who is gong to do it and by what means. Probably, there is an element of wisdom to that and it seems correct, because the end of this system has to be portrayed in such a way that it is meaningful to humankind. I freely admit that I am confused. Take black curtain’s comment. Seems very justified, but for it to be true, one has to be sure who is talking about what, and it’s context. Can we ever be? As I was reading it, I was thinking how reasonable it was when at the same time, thinking how does he know this is the correct stand? Indeed, how can any of us? Then Huldah’s comment….’truth is beautiful.’ Yes it is, but what is it?

          One thing we know it is not, is the watchtower. When we compare the essence we are ‘allowed’ to feel or understand as truth, against the crimes of the watchtower, one can be forgiven for calling it a cult and sometimes there seems more evidence for that suggestion, than there is for saying it is the permitted expression of the Father’s will for it. What I expect to see in the unveiling of the watchtower, I fear will be far, far more unseemly than we think of it at present.

          The ex-JW groups, nearly to the full, now view the watchtower as a cult, and by so doing, disassociate it from the bible, to a mere machination of men’s greed and control, but if that were the case, what else would fill the prophesy? I’ve been searching these last few days but cannot find a comparison, and I am beginning to feel that there is none.

          My own life experience is such that when an event is predicted, it is usually vastly underestimated. One good example, before my time, said of the Great War…’it will be over by Christmas (1914, that is!). Another….Robert Oppenheimer …..’ I am become death…’, well, that was a trifle underestimated. I think it feasible to assume that none of know what is coming, or the magnitude of it; how we could ever survive it, or ever be approved of to do so. The scripture you quote at 1 Corinthians 4:5 suggests that Jehovah will be bringing the secrets of the dark to light, and the INTENTIONS of the heart, and that then, each one will receive his praise from God. And is this not the point in that these intentions are what we need to be cultivating? Again and again, this is what seems to be thrust to the fore at us….what are our intentions, motivations, and are they true and righteous? Maybe it is that as this world disintegrates, we fiddle while it burns, and miss the point. Strain at the knat and swallow the camel.

          • Alex Henrique

            Choose
            to be confused now – and during and after the trial have an
            understanding of what is happening, or be confident now – and then be
            confused about what is happening.

            • Huldah

              Very good point, Alex.
              Choose to be “ill treated [and confused]with the people of God” rather than have the temporary enjoyment of JW overconfidence!

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think the former. I hope.

          • Huldah

            I agree events are often worse than expected. Likely true of what is to come. We can’t take it lightly.
            But please don’t ask,’What is truth?’
            As Andereiga intimated, truth is simple.
            If we have to “love” it to gain life, we must have some responsibility to recognize it. What was Pilate’s mistake? Wasn’t it that he didn’t humbly ask Jesus to help him sort out the truth. It wasn’t that he didn’t know it already, it was that he didn’t care and if he heard it he wouldn’t care or recognize it as being better and more profound than the lie.

            That is what will cost lives in the near future, not having”the love of the truth”. See Robert’s newest article.
            Our intention should be truth first. Our motivation to uphold truth at all costs.

            Our disturbing experiences with WT should not make us forget that it is closer to truth than all others as Judaism was before its rejection.

            That being said, I don’t object to calling WTorg a cult because of the mind control practiced.I was just thinking that it may be essential to see it that way to completely free yourself from the claws dug so deep in your psyche if you have been a member.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I absolutely agree with that. What I meant by what is truth, does not refer to an ignorance of its feeling, but whom we may trust to be absolutely honest with the knowledge that they have of it and whom are our teachers. I have been reading the bible for more years than I care to recall, but without understanding it. Then came the watchtower which superceeded my then intended ambition to be a priest. Then the decades of presuming I was in the truth, only to find I was not, let alone how stupid I was to trust. But then, I don’t know about your situation, but I need a teacher, because I just don’t see the meaning of many things in the bible, but thankfully, the bible does say that the word will be taught. Now, if teaching the word is what the watchtower has been doing, as the scriptures indicate there would be such an effort in all the inhabited earth, then it stands to reason, that the teaching necessary is somewhat basic. Why do I say that? Well, the Father is not biased. Intelligence, or insight, whatever you may call it, can not be the catalyst by which we are to be judged. It has to be of the heart, the intention, the ‘knowing’ of Jehovah. Yet, as the book of Job sets out quite nicely, Jehovah rightly pointed out, ‘where were YOU when I created the heavens and the earth…’ And in other places, the Father goes on to suggest that ‘who can know (my) ways? ‘ and in fact, Jesus is the only one with that privilege.

              Should that be the case, my knowledge of the Father is somewhat basic. My independent insight from my own study, it is safe to say is zero, but my belief I like to think is total, as is my longing for His kingdom and what knowledge I choose to apply in my prayers, honestly believed. Thus when others come in with their contradictions, their plausibility, their truths but half truths or assumptions….as with the watchtower, and others, and with their conversations way above my head, I get to feeling more at home with my trees and animals as signal indicators of truth, than those who do battle on an intellectual insight that I just do not have. If that we’re not a position for many, there would not be a need for the scripture, speaking of false prophets, ‘not to go after them’ and for the chosen, that ‘were not the days cut short, even the chosen would be deceived.’ Thus my question….what is truth, in that there is a certain dependence on the preacher to be wary lest she or he overstep the mark, because if we all had that knowledge, there would not be a need for them. Thus their responsibility. Secondly, that the word is so malleable in the hands of Satan, his darkness appears light. So it is that the only items left for ourselves is heart, devotion, righteousness and love and in that, if we are true to ourselves, is our only certainty.

            • Huldah

              Good clarification. I never thought you were the Pontius Pilate type. What knowledge is it that Jesus spoke of when he said, “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you…”
              How extensive a knowledge should one have to gain life?
              A knowledge, as you say, motivated by faith and love, not intellect.

              Romans
              12 Therefore, I appeal to you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies+ as a living sacrifice, holy+ and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.+ 2 And stop being molded by this system of things,* but be transformed by making your mind over,+ so that you may prove to yourselves+ the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

            • Daisy

              I can only say, that after all these years of believing I was ” in the truth” the TRUTH was not where I thought it was because it wasn’t in me.
              And I now know, through awakening here, and then awakening more, that I’ve been knocking on the wrong door Burt.
              The door I knocked on most of my life was held together by lies, mostly. A lie I lived.
              Didn’t jesus say to all who are searching, “Seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened for you”
              Now I want to knock on that door that Christ will answer and go into Him because there is no other truth but Him, as He himself declares “I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life.”
              And also he says “No man comes to the Father but through me” for “my yoke is easy ” and ” my burden is light” and ” I will give you rest” . Simple stuff.
              For the first time in my life I feel tremendous relief by filling my heart with the same love Jehovah and his Son showed all mankind …and as we live in perilous times and shortly will be facing our oppressors when God has to send our “Saviour and Great One” to rescue us …its whether or not my love for him resides within my heart along with my love of righteousness…my love for the greatest Teacher who ever lived…
              Singalongadaisy…ya gotta accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative and don’t mess with Jesus in between…repeat….and don’t mess with Jesus in between…one more time!

            • Burt Reynolds

              I haven’t heard that song for ages. Good to see you getting on down Daisy.

            • Daisy

              I get your meaning. Sometimes we only hear what we want to hear Burt. You know, fleshly, carnal stuff when you get down to it.

        • e.v.g

          I agree and no one is questioning their wisdom, but it seems that they have different interests and the truth is not their priority.

      • Easach of Coimbatore

        I never used to understand the dates and those convention events given in that climax book it was very hard but now I came to know it is all false since 2010. Thanks Robert. I was 13 year old guy at that time.

      • KB

        I guess we should of realized something was up when they got all that new light. Remember the many changes that were made to the revelation book. We had to juggle the book with the corrected sheet of new paragraphs and questions. Eventually it was scraped and is now best used as a door stop or paperweight. I guess you could use it for toilet paper if your in a real pinch.

      • Giuseppe

        Robert, What do you make of this?

        Jehovas Vidners Stævneplads
        Helsinkivej 3A-E, 8600 Silkeborg, Denmark
        +45 86 85 39 00

        https://maps.google.com/?cid=8196738874528353591&hl=en&gl=us

        • Craig

          I was checking this out yesterday…weird

        • Daisy

          “Jesuit Jehovah’s witnesses” indeed.
          No different to the Vatican.
          Wake up people!
          Blatant! In Your Face. Pure Evil.

          • Sam Knight

            Im a little gob smacked by this one. Will look into it.

            • Daisy

              Be quick Sam, not wasting precious time and energy on ttatt babble.

              “Truth” is when Word & Deed are fulfilled …as in Gen 3:15 and The Ransom.

            • Burt Reynolds

              How about then TTATL. The truth about the lie?

            • Daisy

              And how about then TTAAL. The truth about A lie lol or a bigger truthful lie like, being “in the truth”:D

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes! That’s an even bigger lie! It makes a whole new form of greeting doesn’t it! ‘When were you baptised into the lie?’ ‘Oh, I was born into the lie. I’m a pioneer now and spend 90 hours a month lying in the ministry…’ ( I had better quit before I get struck down…)

        • Giuseppe
          • Thinking

            NO! It’s not..first gather all the facts…and do you think more will not be revealed even if this proves true….doesn’t Zephaniah say they will be worshiping Jehovah
            ZEPHANIAH 1:5
            And those who bow down on the rooftops to the army of heavens
            And those who bow down and p,edge loyalty to Jehovah
            While pleading loyalty to To Macam

            Where is it in Isaiah where he had to make a hole in the wall to see them serving false god..I have not got time to look it up as I have to go to work..

            Have they yet had male temple prostitutes..as they did back whilst still considered Gods people

            Jehovah put up with a huge amount of sin before he acted against his own house back then…
            Do we not think he will also put up with the same amount of sin before he acts against his modern day household…
            Are we to be quickly shaken when we find out how deep it goes….is our faith not built on solid ground…a rock mass..or will it be rumbled as if built on sand …
            I’m sure more will come out..and we will look like stupid idiots for standing firm and claiming to be servants of Jehovah…he will humiliate us to the MAX….

            For goodness sake…think!!!!!!…Aaron melted down gold..they worshipped a golden calf in drunken sexual orgy type party…does any one think it is not going to be that bad once again…..this Is Why!!!!!!!! He has to judge it….and WHY a godly man is being saved with great difficulty…
            Also as in Daniel 11:32 -35
            Many whe even have insight will be made to stumble….to do a refining work…to do a cleansing work…
            So NO..it is not a time to flee…these guilty ones will bring themselves down..and be removed as weeds…but all hell will break out with in Gods house….
            Did any of us think it was going to be easy!….we are going to receive a full on attack from Satan….he’s in his dying days…..
            We all have our own private relationship with our GOD JEHOVAH…let them do as they wish……we all stand before Jehovah on a individual,
            basis….so please stay strong…my brother xx

            • The Raven

              Hi Thinking, been awhile. I agree with everything you said and I also watch and wait, like others who understand what is happening and why. Soon… when this crashes and burns the lies are revealed and then… we will see who is what. The only real surprise in all this is that it appears the time is near.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Joel 2:11
              Jehovah will raise his voice before his army, for his camp is very numerous.
              For the one carrying out His word is mighty;
              For the day of Jehovah is great and very awe-inspiring.
              Who can endure it?”

              The great day of Jehovah is near!
              It is near and it is approaching very quickly!*
              The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter.
              There a warrior cries out. Zephaniah 1:14

              Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them in the day of Jehovah’s fury;
              For by the fire of his zeal the whole earth will be consumed,
              Because he will make an extermination, indeed a terrible one, of all the inhabitants of the earth.Zephaniah 1:18

              And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and every island was removed from its place.Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”Revelation 6:14-17

            • The Raven

              Thanks, Kevin. As I told an old friend a long time ago, “I ain’t heard no trumpets yet”. What you posted was a big reason for me to doubt prophetic teachings decades ago. When the mayhem that scripture describes arrives, I’m certain all of creation will shudder.

            • Huldah

              You get it Thinking. You’re an inspiration.
              Love that scripture.
              Ezekiel 8
              7 Then he brought me to the entrance of the courtyard, and when I looked, I saw a hole in the wall. 8 He said to me: “Son of man, please bore through the wall.” So I bored through the wall, and I saw an entryway. 9 He said to me: “Go in and see the evil, detestable things that they are doing here.”

              Nowadays you just have to zoom in on Google Earth.

              Could Satan just be playing with them like he does with the illustrations in the magazines? I don’t see them deliberately being this blatant, risking public scrutiny.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I thought that about blatantcy, but it is getting so frequent now and so infiltrated into all aspects of the watchtower, I’m not sure if I have the grace to concede these issues to oversight. I’ve tried hard not to believe ill of them, now it’s just too easy to believe it!

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Thinking

              Thank you brother ?

            • Burt Reynolds

              I don’t know if the sins then at the time of the exodus will be reflected today or if they are relevant to this day in terms of stumbling. In any event, the degree of meaning of sin is relevant to the occasion. As you point out, worshiping a golden calf and engaging in orgies right under Jehovah’s nose…..well, you could see the slaughter that followed. But today, we already know about the sexual deviancy that goes on at bethel, homosexuality, protection of paedophiles, drunkeness and probably a lot more. Not only that, but we already have the modern day golden calf too, complete with officiating priests in the shape of the governing body, the dedication phrases to the baptism into the watchtower, and the onimpotent JW.ORG symbol. We have the adulterous, unfaithfulness of joining the United Nations, the misappropriation of funds, theft of donations, the scandalous treatment of sisters, widows, orphans, deriliction of duty to the poor and needy, mental and sexual abuses. But these instances are as nothing compared with what goes on in other religions, Catholicism, Protestantism, and so on and so forth. What the watchtower is guilty of, and their depth of depravity will undoubtably shock the strongest of us, but should not be unexpected. Undoubtably what you say is true. It will be far, far worse than we can imagine. Probably something beyond our imagining. Something that is hand in hand with Satan. Even though Satan will be after each one of us, we have Jehovah’s promise that ‘it will not be beyond what we can bear.’ If that is the case for those trying to be Godly, then what of those who are not? It will be far worse and I suspect we will see that too.

        • Richard Long

          That is disturbing. And easy to find and verify.

          • Giuseppe

            I’ve heard that they have been trying to sell it for 10 years now, before they get exposed.

            • Sam Knight

              Did you find out if they purchased the building or did they design and build it themselves?

            • Giuseppe

              Design & Built themselves ( with free clueless labor of course)The venue was opened in 1991. The venue includes a 155,000 square meter area, of which approx. 40,000 square meters are protected nature area, where there is an auditorium , parking spaces, barbecue area, accommodation for a total of about 500 tents and caravans and associated toilets and bathing facilities.

              The district auditorium uses the auditorium which contains 3,500 seats. In addition, the area contains six dining areas and a tent can be used as a rest room. During periods where district judgments are settled, an outdoor pool is used for the baptism of the faith community .

              The event program is broadcast over the radio (95.2 Mhz), so it can be intercepted by cars or from the area of ​​the competition.

              The convention halls and the venue are owned by the Watchtower Company in Holbæk.

              As of September 1, 2017, the municipality of Silkeborg will purchase the competition ground for NOK 17 million. Jehovah’s Witnesses will hire for 2 years at the venue until 2019. In future, Jehovah’s Witnesses will hire Silkeborg Stadium to hold their competitions. [4]

            • Sam Knight

              Thank you for the info.
              Is it therefore fair to conclude that the designers deliberately made it this way? And that the architects were JW?

            • Sam Knight

              If so. Then the other line of thought on which i would enquire of is..
              Is it possible that CT Russell was correct that the pyramid of Giza is Jehovah God’s monument. And that the WTS know this?
              (My current belief is that pyramid of Giza was built during the time preceding the flood by the rebels)

            • Giuseppe

              The Eye of Providence (or the all-seeing eye of God) is a symbol showing an eye often surrounded by rays of light or a glory and usually enclosed by a triangle. It represents the eye of God watching over humanity (or divine providence). In the modern era, a notable depiction of the eye is the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, which appears on the United States one-dollar bill.

              Satanic if you ask me……….. part of the new world order.

            • Beverly kenyon

              And thanks to the all seeing ‘eye’ of Google and Google Earth it’s there for every eye to see the Satanic evidence if they choose to do so.

            • The Raven

              We discussed that at length a while back and it was really a fun thread. I agree, I think the fallen angels had some part in that. Some of us think it may have served as a powerhouse of some sort, not as a temple or monument.

            • Burt Reynolds

              If it was Jehovah’s monument it would have been accurate. As it is, it is several fractions of an inch out at its base!

            • Giuseppe

              That or they purchased a triangle piece of land , put the Ampatheater in just the right spot & made the parking lot look like building blocks . Say cheese……danish!??

            • The Raven

              Hi Joesph. This got my curiosity alright. I have a few thoughts about it. They either purchased it cheap because it was a wedge or it may have been donated. IDK. Either way that shape is difficult to work with considering what they wanted on the property. I think they did the best they could with the site and the placement of the amphitheater in the back was the most sensible given locating it anywhere else would have made parking a nightmare. The blocks are just parking divider islands with trees planted on them, that’s all. Had this property been a rectangular or square shape I don’t think this would have been an issue.
              12 Million in their money is about 2.7 million in USD. The maker of the video added the “jesuit” stuff to it and in the thread under that video he admits that.

              HOWEVER… When they tasked their designers with a site plan they HAD to have seen what this looked like. ANYONE working with those prints would have known this. Everyone from the engineering crew on down to the various crafts could see what this resembled. Had you or I been there and been handed those prints I’m certain we would have been incredulous. I would have asked if they were freaking kidding me??!!

              This has me wondering who actually drew these plans and what the hell they were thinking? lol!

              We’ve seen a number of things recently that seem to press the envelope and I expect we will see more. But that just proves what’s at work here, doesn’t it? In a backhanded way this exposes and confirms what Robert has been saying about the WTO and the witnesses for years especially the deluding influence and the MOL. I know not everyone agrees with it but I do. It would not surprise me anymore than some of the hidden demonic symbols in some of the illustrations in the magazines.

            • Huldah

              Could there have been a renovation that produced the detail as it shows right now?

              This is so Satan. Jehovah is letting him mess around with his apostasized leadership.

              Whatever brings the revealing of the MOL!

              Giving Satan enough rope to hang himself as he did Pharoah.

            • The Raven

              The same rope the mol has. Its about to get interesting. But first, he has governments and financiers to prod.

            • Richard Long

              “It would not surprise me anymore than some of the hidden demonic symbols in some of the illustrations in the magazines”.

              And there’s always Sophia’s butterfly pen…

            • The Raven

              Could you explain?

            • Richard Long
            • Burt Reynolds

              I must get one of those Sophia butterfly pens for my birthday!

            • The Raven

              I am familiar with those programs. But i wasn’t aware of those cartoon characters for jws.

            • Richard Long

              now you are.:) or 🙁 you pick (they make me sad)

            • The Raven

              Dont really know what to make of them without studying it a bit more. I’ve seen all sorts of pens with all kinds of critters on top. My niece had about a dozen of them from walmart, target and other stores. Of course unless there is a nefarious purpose in creating certain objects most people just think they’re pretty pens. Thats all they were to her.

            • i’d like to see a Caleb & Sophia episode where there dad cant make enough money to pay for their house, food, gas & insurance for their car so the mom gets a part time job while the kids are left at a daycare meanwhile a hurricane distroys their home then their mom ends up becoming pregnant having a baby they cant afford to take care of then Sophia has currage to tell her parents that someone from the kingdom hall has been sexually abusing her but the elders do nothing about it then the car their living out of gets a flat tire so they have to sleep in a walmart parking lot for two days until the unemployment check comes in then Caleb learns 1914 is a lie so he gets disfellowshipped and shunned then Sophia trys to take her own life hoping Jehovah wont be mad then on their way to meeting the car gets stuck in the snow and impounded so the dad pitches a tent thats too far from his job and it takes 2 hours on the buss to get to work trying to pay off the hospital bill while the mom and three kids are living in a family shelter … then some lame music and singing start playing

            • Richard Long

              “It’s the best life EVER!”

            • Richard Long

              “I think they did the best they could with the site”

              May I introduce to you another amphitheater, world renowned for its acoustics as well as its iconic over view, built by and for the world’s elites, that DOES NOT incorporate Illuminati symbology is its aerial view?:

              https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hollywood+Bowl/@34.1124024,-118.3402312,330m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80c2bf1bc1270933:0x6a6f62cf3836e2fd!8m2!3d34.112224!4d-118.3391279

            • The Raven

              As i stated, I’d like to know more about the planners and maybe robert has more info on that mess.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Cheese….so funny Guiseppe. Jesus said, ‘For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open’. Luke8:17 NIV.

            • Giuseppe

              Find your answers here!
              https://youtu.be/KWy4fPAgkkU

            • Thinking

              well as devestatimg amd shattering as this is….I guess Zephaniah and Ezekiel make much more sense now…the infiltration is as deep as his former houses….it makes sense really…..we are going to look like fools to still call ourselves Jehovah’s witnesses…we have made his name mud….satan has been laughing his head off…the man of lawlessness is being revealed…and it’s going to be so confusing and utterly painful…for those now in blissfull ignorance…
              May we all find the strength to fortify each other….and our fellow brothers and sister….Hang in there brother G….it just means we are closer…and it is an opportunity to stand up for our creator….like never before ..nor for a very long time again….

            • Giuseppe

              We are definitely living in exciting times, this proves I’m not crazy. It actually stirs up my faith! We can now be certain that soon at some point the operation of Satan will be exposed , even as Jesus himself said:
              “For there is nothing hidden except for the purpose of being exposed; nothing has become carefully concealed but for the purpose of coming into the open. Whoever has ears to listen, let him listen.”

            • The Raven

              This only confirms the prophecies about the dark works. Robert made that clear and we can’t lose sight of the fact that there is much more to come in that prophetic timeline. Those who know this should not let it shake their faith in jehovah. In fact it should help streghthen it to see actual fulfilment before our eyes. Yes, Thinking. And i thought the delusion was creepy before. I’m certainly getting a better grasp of just how strange this working is.

            • Thinking

              So am I brother …I am in deep trouble thought…but it has to come about…no wonder Jesus wept for his Jeruselum ….too sad..too sad…

            • The Raven

              I am not looking forward to this but I am . I want him to kick the tires and start the fires but I don’t. But this time, it gets sorted out and nailed down. As you said, Thinking, we can be assured that all those who can be saved, will be saved.

            • Thinking

              I am also terrified of it….want it but don’t want it….eager but fearful…for who of us really knows if we will stand…he certainly will have to finish my training in that time…..I just don’t want to betray Jehovah or Jesus….I would really rather die that that…but having said that …I don’t want to be skinned alive either……
              Brother did you watch the Hezekiah drama….man!!!! That was the wheat talking there…if you have not watched I’d encourage you to….and you will be watching and listening with insight to the message given ….amazing….I don’t think they will ever better that drama….

            • Giuseppe

              You have a profound job ahead of you. Giving the wheat comfort and scriptures when this baby blows in the near future.

            • Thinking

              So do you my brother……this is probably the tip of the iceberg….may Jehovah have mercy on all of us….

            • sally

              Wow Roberts video is a work of art, despite the fact that it is so unbelievably outrageous. You are right Thinking, we are going to look like the biggest fools. In fact we should get T shirts printed now. Maybe a big batch and get a discount. We are coming up for rough times indeed, defending our faith when the organisation has acted so satanically for such a long time. I am off to the meeting and I should of kept this for later as I only have an hour to get rid of my “attitude” that I have right now. But your right, things are getting revealed and that means we are getting closer, and we do not need to fight amongst ourselves we need to love each other cos this is going to get really really serious.

            • Thinking

              Well the Israelites looked the fools as Pharoahs army bore down on the trapped people….so we too will full fill that prophetic picture…..keep strong sis…
              Zechariah 8:6
              This is what Jehovah of armies says..Although it may seem too difficult to the remaining ones of his people in those days should itmseem to difficult also to me declares Jehovah of armies

            • KB

              Impressive, you can get rid of your attitude in an hour. You must share your secret with me of how this is done. Pretty sure I’m done for at least a week at this point.

            • Actually, they just sold it this month. But they are going to continue to rent it from the new owner for the next two years. Unless, of course, Christ shows up.

            • Richard Long

              Robert, do you have a shortcut to where one might find the detailed history of this property?

            • Giuseppe

              Let’s hope so, he’s got some major whipping to Do!

            • BTW, I been working on a video these last few days to put this thing out there. Took me a few days to gather the shattered bits and pieces of my blown mind. But I seem to have gotten it all glued back together.

            • Giuseppe

              Awesome, looking forward to it !

            • sally

              Me to. Do you think there are any other buildings that are like this one?

            • Giuseppe
            • sally

              omg! that is right in your face?!! are you telling me the thousands upon thousands of JW’s that have flocked to that theatre over the years have not noticed it?!!!

            • Giuseppe

              Nope, because they are in a spiritual paradise drunken slumber.

            • Daisy

              And we know from bible principles that if the foundation is no good the building’s not going to stand. No matter how ‘good’ that ‘building’ looks, it’s the foundation that counts.

            • The Raven

              For some odd reason the first thought I had when I saw this was a name; Albert Speer.

            • Thinking

              Wasn’t that Hitler’s architect?

            • The Raven

              Yes. I read his books years ago. One of my inlaws uncles was a guard at Spandau Prison. He had some interesting things to say about that place and those times.

            • Thinking

              I read his autobiography….feel free to elaborate ?

            • The Raven

              About 35 years ago he and his family were at a large family reunion/bbq and he was talking with some ww2 vets. He hated the prison, the assignments, everything about it. He would not give details about any particular inmates but said the procedures in handling them were intense at first. Later on he heard after he was sent elsewhere they began to relax. Worst job he ever had.

            • Thinking

              It would have been terrible I think…in hindsight we see and understand so much more…I can only imagine what it must have felt for both sides ….
              I remember reading a saying that Abraham Lincoln said..and I have found it to be true…and I’m thinking of the war now..
              Give a man power..and you see the real man….

            • The Raven

              True.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Speer had a much better grasp of architecture than that. The seem to have drawn the plans for that thing on toilet paper.

            • The Raven

              Lol! Thats true. His son became a brilliant architect also. I can’t imagine the designers not knowing what they were looking at. Granted, it’s always hard to work with limitations of that sort but given who they are those plans should have been scrapped, imo.
              This strains my idea this may have been blindness, ignorance or just plain pragmatism and didnt believe it would matter. Surely some of these folks saw this.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I blew my mind once. I Never found all the bits.

            • The Raven

              Hahaha! I want to ask, but won’t. ?

            • Ms M

              Here’s the quote from the 1993 yearbook:
              “Convention Grounds for the Whole Country

              With the branch office completed, and with two Assembly Halls to care for circuit assemblies, the question came up: Why not build a district convention complex for the whole country? Why not use property near the Assembly Hall at Silkeborg for such a facility, since it is close to the country’s geographic center?

              The project was put to the Governing Body, who approved it. The municipality of Silkeborg assigned a plot of land of almost 40 acres [16 ha], including a large, protected area of great natural beauty less than a mile [about a kilometer] from the Assembly Hall. Excavation started on July 1, 1990. And some job it was! For the first three months an average of 1,500 tons of soil was moved every day—a hundred fully loaded trucks! But a brother with experience in soil work reassured everyone: “I have been moving soil for 30 years, and the earth is still round.”

              The actual auditorium is a partly covered amphitheater in which no one will be sitting more than 230 feet [70 m] from the speaker. It has room for 3,500, and in the nearby Assembly Hall, an additional 900 can follow the program via closed-circuit television. The site has ideal sound conditions, good parking and first aid facilities, a literature counter, and rest rooms. The grounds include a camping area where about a thousand brothers and sisters can sleep in trailers or tents.

              On June 1, 1991, came the dedication. Lloyd Barry of the Governing Body delivered a most faith-strengthening and encouraging dedication discourse. About 4,000 brothers and sisters attended the program at the convention site, and 700 followed it via telephone in the Assembly Hall at Herlufmagle. The following week, all congregations showed a 75-minute video program summarizing the event. During that summer the new convention grounds were a wonderful setting for five “Lovers of Freedom” District Conventions”

            • Giuseppe

              Isn’t it interesting that William Lloyd Barry, a long time member of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, was involved in this and at the same time was signing the organization up at the UN. No wonder he dropped dead on July 2, 1999, while giving a public address at a district convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Hawaii.
              RIP Scumbag !
              https://youtu.be/KWy4fPAgkkU

            • The Raven

              Aha! So that’s who it was! The same man! Thats not surprising but what still gets me is the fact that a numer of folks had to have seen the plans themselves which would have clearly shown this. Aerials or not the layout would have been obvious. He knew but I’m wondering if the builders themselves were in fact blind to these things as they are about most prophetic matters.

            • Richard Long

              Can’t see what one is not looking for. Most of the world is oblivious to the occult and the witnesses are told they are immune to it. Culturally, they are sheltered form such information.

            • The Raven

              Good point. In all the time I was immersed in the study of the esoteric I saw some references to it from the insight books but I knew a witness normally would not go looking into these matters unless they were very deep into the prophetic scriptures concerning the devil’s machinations. My brother’s neighbor was one such witness. She was the only one I could have a serious discussion with and had no qualms researching ancient teachings. She knew about my background in it. We learned a lot from each other but would never let others know that. What I knew, she placed in context for me since she was more scripturaly literate than I. But since coming here I am still astonished that many of these things actually apply to Jehovah’s people. She had her suspicions but would not go too far back then since I was new to the truth. Shoot! She was right! I know darn good and well there have got to be many others like her still around.

            • Richard Long

              Anyone besides me beginning to feel the profound impact of the fact we are here openly speaking of the WT/GB as “they”, the same way we speak of the elites, or the banksters, or the Illuminati, or the shadow governments, as “they”, i.e. as oppressors or enemies????

            • Burt Reynolds

              I saw that yesterday on face book. I thought it was photoshop. I guess I still like to credit the watchtower with good intentions but this has to be deliberate. How could they not know? If Robert is doing a video on this I’ll have to send it to my sister. Should be an ‘eye’ opener.

            • Giuseppe

              Hope so , but not likely. Watchtower bamboozled goes deep. Only Jesus 2nd coming will wake the foolish. She’ll say you made it up.

        • sally

          I am sitting here in shock.

    • “Lies are hard to understand. They can only be memorized.”

      thats profound. Mark Twain said “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” i did exactly agree fully with what he said by itself but with the way you said it after a little context i understand again better what he was saying.

      “soup of delusions”

      reminds me of what Bklyn Kevin said, ‘one [good/bad] ingredient can make a whole new soup.’

      you’ll be smart enough not to listen to nonsense direction from stupid prophets when the tribulation arives but putting Jehovah first over the Watchtower Org

    • Huldah

      Your lies comment verbalized an idea my mind has been trying to make sense of. Great point.
      I agree with DA.profound
      I guess that’s why JW org keeps repeating the lies, only brainwashing can make them stick!
      I find truth so refreshingly simple, I’m always calling it “beautiful” can’t help it. Truth is beautiful.

  • Max

    Thank you brother King for these last articles. They have
    all been fantastic! truly excellent spiritual food! It’s giving us a
    lot of new muscle to withstand the storm brewing all around us. May
    our loving Father Jehovah’s undeserved kindness be with you always!

  • Max

    Anybody have heard of Beverly? I have not seen a post from her in
    a long time.

    • Richard Long

      I will e-mail her your inquiry Max.

      • Easach of Coimbatore

        Some one is concerned good

    • Easach of Coimbatore

      good you have some concern

  • black curtain

    Has any one considered the intense troubles that are spread right around the globe at the moment? My wife and I got to talking about Rev and she proposed this thought re:
    (Revelation 12:7-10) 7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha‧el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

    Has the war in heaven commenced? Are we seeing ripples of the war in heaven affecting us? The account in Rev above doesn’t give a time frame on duration, but Rob King has suggested that the earthly component from the commencement of the parousia will be three and a half years duration. Logically the battle in heaven takes place prior to that, and is it in progress as we speak?

    Most people I have talked to haven’t considered that the loyal spirit family of Jehovah has been battling vast numbers of demon angels, who still have access to the heavenly realm, as you can see above. The loyal “sons” have been under great pressure themselves from this “army” of demonic rebels in their own domain and they are fighting on our behalf as well.
    (Daniel 10:20-21) . . .“Do you really know why I have come to you? And now I shall go back to fight with the prince of Persia. When I am going forth, look! also the prince of Greece is coming. 21 However, I shall tell you the things noted down in the writing of truth, and there is no one holding strongly with me in these [things] but Mi′cha‧el, the prince of YOU people.
    Jehovah would be justifiably proud of his loyal sons in the manner which they too have conducted themselves in this crisis.

    So apart from fighting loyal sons of God, and what else are these demonic terrorists doing? At the same time they are busy accusing Christ’s “brothers” (and sisters), in particular.
    (Job 4:17-5:1) 17 ‘Mortal man—can he be more just than God himself? Or can able-bodied man be cleaner than his own Maker?’ 18 Look! In his servants he has no faith, And his messengers he charges with faultiness. 19 How much more so with those dwelling in houses of clay, Whose foundation is in the dust! One crushes them more quickly than a moth. 20 From morning to evening they are crushed to pieces; Without anyone’s taking [it to heart] they perish forever. 21 Has not their tent cord within them been pulled out? They die for lack of wisdom. 5 “Call, please! Is there anyone answering you? And to which one of the holy ones will you turn?

    Notice the contempt Satan and his ilk have for the earth’s residents?

    Literally speaking, “we” are just “collateral damage” (war speak) excluding the “holy ones.”
    Notice the phrase “to which one of the holy ones will you turn?” Whom might they be? So the critical mass here, are the holy ones, and how they comport themselves. Because they have the task of rescuing all those who opt to follow Christ in loyalty to Jehovah. We the residents cannot do the fighting, we have to wait and watch.
    (2 Chronicles 20:17) 17 YOU will not need to fight in this instance. Take YOUR position, stand still and see the salvation of Jehovah in YOUR behalf. . . .

    Because: (Matthew 24:22) 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

    When the Satanic cohort have been thrown out of heaven and confined (on what then will be a prison planet) to the Earth, coinciding with the parousia, then the road gets bumpy, for everyone.

    We can see a world eugenics program in full swing, the food is being corrupted with GMO’, chem trails swamping the US but also world wide, war threats and preparations ( in line with RK’s forecast), currency fears, heavy fighting throughout the Middle East, genocide in a number of places, moral breakdowns on a unprecedented scale- pedophilia, homosexuality, family degeneration.
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/sErgwyD2KR0

    We are feeling the pressure of things, and wondered what might be going on behind the scenes. Others may have thoughts on the matter of what is going on around themselves.

    • Easach of Coimbatore

      Yeah this is an old story!! But it is true already they are doing at low grade such as in vaccination program such that if the baby grows it will become infertile and if they want children then they have to pay huge amount to the hospitals and pharmaceuticals to conceive a baby.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Do you mean by ‘low grade’ in your country, lower caste people as viewed in the Indian community, or that the programme of offering sterilisation is in its infancy? Is this another case of back door genocide on vulnerable people?

        • Easach of Coimbatore

          No I don’t mean low caste. Low grade means silently control ing the population with out death. Using bio weapon to cull the population means high grade.

    • Easach of Coimbatore

      I don’t mind in saying u that war between Jesus and Satan did not start in heaven because life in Coimbatore is a don’t care life because men drink alcohol and fall on the road and sleep and their wives come and lift them up and go to their houses. It is only brother Easach not involved in such things because I had made a nazarite vow and on Jehovah’s and Jesus’ side doing field service but majority are not like that and also we get free monthly food ration from Government retail stores. If the war had already started in heaven how life is going as usual below on earth,?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      black curtain said. “Has the war in heaven commenced?.
      Food for thought
      A good question to ASK ones self is “Did all of these disasters occur with in a generation as Jesus clearly specified would happened?
      If the apocalyptic horsemen have been on the move for the last 2000 years as some claim that would mean Jesus is an outright liar because Jesus clearly said that these apocalyptic events would all accur during a generation.
      Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.
      Matthew24:34. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/24/#v40024034
      By saying these apocalyptic events occurred 2000 years ago – in reality they are NO better than the watchtower / man of lawlessness and their 1914 scenario especially in view of the Biblical facts which clearly show otherwise.

      More food for thought…..When is Satan hurled down?
      .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGXv3diaJco

      Also read.
      The Devil Has Come Down to You. https://e-watchman.com/devil-come/

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8mN0NI7SiM&t=176s

      • Observing Quietly

        black curtain said. “Has the war in heaven commenced?
        (Revelation 12:7-8) “7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha‧el and his
        angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8
        but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in
        heaven.”

        Interesting thought here. War in heaven? How long does this war in heaven last? If we are expecting the casting down of Satan any time now, it makes sense that the war in heaven has been happening for some time. Maybe that explains why the world today seems to have gone completely mad. The scripture seems to say that the war in heaven must come to it’s completion with the heavens being completely cleaned culminating with the Devil and his demons being hurled down to the earth. Wow! Guess that also helps to explain why it feels like it’s taking so long to get here.

        • Huldah

          Good point that war comes before the casting down.
          War ‘breaks out’ when the kingdom is ‘born’.It appears to be shortly before the casting down not drawn out. I really think that a war between the immortal Christ and Satan would be short lived as will be the war between God and man, Armageddon. Of course, there have been contentions for years in heaven and on earth. The question is What are the signs of war in heaven? Don’t know if the Bible addresses that.

          Could the war have started? If it has, doesn’t that mean Christ is ‘present in kingly power’?
          Christ’s first act in his presence is to oust Satan, right?

          It seems that Robert wrote that War and economic collapse of the Anglo system.would be the sign of start of the presence, indicating Satan is weakened.

          So, it appears war (on earth)starts when war (in heaven)starts. Maybe?

          • Bklyn Kevin
          • Observing Quietly

            Some good questions. But war is not just one immediate battle. The bible doesn’t say how long that war goes on. It lasts until as verse 8 says, “8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.” So some time (long or short we don’t know) must pass before that declaration is made. Then and only then are Satan and his demonic followers cast out. Seems to imply that what we have been taught, that Jesus accepting his crown as King and then immediately coming to save the earth, has a time problem.
            You are correct in that I hope that battle in heaven is short, but as the example of Daniel shows, it won’t be easy or simple to get Satan out of heaven: (Daniel 10:12, 13) “12 And he went on to say to me: “Do not be afraid, O Daniel, for from the first day that you gave your heart to understanding and humbling yourself before your God your words have been heard, and I myself have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Mi′cha·el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia.”
            I agree with BC that the massive amount of turmoil and anger and pain we see everywhere, on a global scale, (think of wars, famine, diseases and a daily death rate of over 150,000 people) appears to be ripple effects from that battle taking place. It is just speculation and I would love to see Robert King give an input on that.

            • Huldah

              Hi OQ
              I’m not getting notified of all replies. You and BC make good points. 21 days resisting the King of Persia. How long would war be, if that’s just two angels fighting? Christ is now an immortal God who cannot die so it’s different than when he was just Michael in Daniel’s day.

    • Thinking

      Personally I beleive he is here and he will go after US..like never before…he despises any of Gods remaining loyal ones….it’s heart breaking but I think our number s are about to be decimated…

      • black curtain

        I have to admit I don’t know quite how to reply as I am partially persuaded that it might, (and that is a big might) be true. Besides all the cataclysmic events happening right now, including the latest 7.1 magnitude earthquake in Mexico, hurricanes in the Caribbean, fires in West Coast USA, nuclear war talk everywhere, fighting throughout the middle east, violence towards friends neighbours and family, rampart homosexuality, gender dysphoria on a scale never seen before in living memory, eugenics over the Earth’s population, talk of a world financial crash. Just another day in paradise?

        I hope you don’t tell me to stop holding back, and tell you what I really think (chuckle)!

        I wish that we could actually identify something(s) specific so that we knew approximately where we are. I used to think that Jerusalem AD 70, was some sort of parallel, however I am not so sure at the moment. The only comparison that strikes me at the moment is that the UN is doing figuratively what the Romans did when they built a wooden palisade completely enclosing the city. The UN is building a legislative wall around world religion as we write.

        One thing I can say with some degree of confidence is the understanding of when world religion falls in “one hour.”

        It is so simple, with the stroke of the pen the UN at some point in the future, can simply legislate it out of existence, in the literal one hour. All religious property and wealth, will be forfeited, and adherents will have no leaders, and humanity will be one swirling mass wondering where to from there and what to do next.

        Anyway, good call. kindest regards bc

      • Huldah

        You know what it’s like to face a direct attack from Satan. You have a real understanding of what’s coming. I don’t know if Satan is here, but I have a chilling sensation that something like a tsunami, off in the distance, is inhaling one last time before it rises to engulf us all.

        • The Raven

          Not yet. when he is thrown down EVERYONE will know it. I think most of humanity will doubt there is a God when war begins. That will be a very dangerous time for us. I think what’s going on now is part of the ground work for all his players to be in position for his arrival. His attacks are beginning to be more concerted towards the witnesses but there is still a restraint.

          • Huldah

            Jesus used some of these things as a sign of his presence/coming.

            Remember he used the fig tree leaves illustration. Just as you see it, know summer is near.
            JWs have confused this, making it appear that all these signs come right after he becomes “present”.
            I believe many occur right before he “comes”/parousia. They show signs of a coming presence not a current one, just as the fig leaves do.

            The reason I connect this is because it stands to reason that Satan’s world would begin to crumble as he puts all his energy into the war in heaven. That’s why I say it is coming from a distance. So, I tend to agree he’s not here yet, but we may be seeing the signs of the coming presence of both Christ and Satan.

            • The Raven

              His world isn’t crumbling as far as I can see. In fact it has not reached its pinnacle yet. That happens after he gains full control through the beast. I think what we are seeing is the final preperations being made for that time. Things can and will get much worse.

            • Huldah

              Isn’t that facade just the white washed wall of appearance fooling the masses?
              I can see it. I think Robert can see it. It will come at a time most christians don’t think to be it. Most are thinking things are continuing just as at the world’s beginning as the scriptures say.

              Satan builds some pretty stellar facades, but if you don’t want to stay in the comfort of the illusion, you look for the fine cracks that are forming and peel back the chips so as to view the darkness behind the whitewash. The same way Ezekiel broke a hole in the wall to see the sinister nature of the elders.

              A good example is the economy. The sheeple think their bank accounts, real estate, 401ks, pensions are safe. Nothing could be further from the truth. It could all fall down tomorrow and it would be no surprise to the enlightened economists (non Keynesians) but to the masses a complete shock. The economy is crumbling, what are you talking about?

            • Burt Reynolds

              You’re right there Huldah. My economy crumbled years ago, and my hopes turned out to be just that, illusions…..it all began in 1931 at the start of the Great Depression…….

            • The Raven

              Its not a facade. His aim is to control the world entirely including gods people. He’s not there yet.

            • Huldah

              This is what Robert wrote about the time when Satan is cast down.

              “It should be apparent, then, that the death stroke upon the seven-headed wild beast is a direct result of the wound inflicted upon the satanic seven-headed fiery dragon in heaven as a result of the warfare waged against it by Michael and his angels.”

              http://e-jehovahs-witnesses-mail.blogspot.com/2006/01/has-devil-already-been-cast-down-from.html?m=1

              I didn’t get the impression from Robert’s articles that the fall of the US Is because Satan plans it, but because he is weakened by the war in heaven. It looks like he does have a hand in the rise of the tyrant though.
              The woe to the earth comes from his anger from being thrown down.
              Does Satan plan the collapses of his empires or do they die due to their own weakness? Didn’t Rome fall under its own moral decay? Wasn’t Babylon destroyed by Jehovah’s direction? I think the US collapses under it’s own moral decay as Rome did. Robert seems to think Satan is propping it up for now, which to me, qualifies as a facade because as soon as Satan is thrown down so is the US based system. I do agree that Satan isn’t here yet, but I think there are signs that precede his fall. It could be argued they are present. The state of upheaval right now is unusual in our time.

            • The Raven

              I see it from two angles. Since his objective is complete control and since jehovah permits it, the devil will sacrifice the pawns (thats all we are to him anyway) to get the bigger prize. He knows whats coming and he knows exactly how to play it with the system which comes into place after the war and collapse. Havent the elite been demanding nwo and a huge reduction in population for many decades now? They’re about to get it with their true master, satan at the helm and absolute control. His ultimate targets will be jehovahs anointed.

            • Huldah

              It seems we have two conflicting ideas. The question is….Is Satan maneuvering the Anglo American World Power (AAWP) to fall so he can set up the NWO or is he at the mercy of Jehovah’s plan to deal the 7th head a deathstroke, thus he has to carry out a plan that takes this into account?

              I suppose he understands as we do that Jehovah has foretold the fall of the AAWP. Perhaps he has set up the framework for the NWO in the face of the absolute surety that Jehovah’s word will prove true and the AAWP will fall. Because the 7 headed beast is a Satanic invention, it would stand to reason that it’s short demise would not originate at it’s owner’s hand (Satan’s) but at the hand of God or that of his son (Satan’s enemies).

              In the vision in Revelation, regarding the deathstroke, I have never gotten the impression that Satan deals the blow. I get the impression the 8th king is a reaction to the blow. This lines up with what Robert said.

              I’ll buy that Satan has know this was going to happen and has been planning for it all along.

              I don’t think it’s what he wants, though. I think he’d be happy having billions of subjects on earth forever. It’s what he has to do. It’s the natural course for a psychopath. (I’ve had personal experience in this respect.) It’s when he knows he has lost his power that it’s over for him that he gets genocidal. Sort of like Jim Jones. Exterminate them when you feel you can’t keep your hold on them anymore, until then, bask in the glory of their adulation (and Satan gets to rub it in Jehovah’s face). Then it’s, “If I can’t rule you, no one else can either.”
              And “Anyone who thinks they are going to replace me as a ruler (ie the anointed) is going to suffer.”

              The thought has me wishing there WAS a rapture or at least Jehovah would pull an “Enoch” for all the righteous ones and remove them from harm’s way.

            • The Raven

              This is what I would call the book within the book. I think you know what I mean here. Yes, he is maneuvering the crash and fall of the US/ UK to bring about his world order. That’s been going on for a very long time as we’ve discussed concerning the geopolitical and financial gerrymandering. It was always about gaining complete control. What they have now is nothing compared to what they envision. They do not want billions they cannot totally control. It is literally exactly as Revelation describes in terms of death (culling the herd) abject misery after the horsemen are through and humanity at the mercy of our new beastly government. But, Jehovah’s plans dovetail with all this, as we know and here’s where some folks will believe the satanically inspired expressions coming from that entity as being from God himself. The events are always made to look like prophetic fulfillment as the demons did with the false parousia and 1914, ww1 etc.
              Prophecy and empire’s march to full spectrum dominance are part and parcel with tribulation. But to understand either, you must look at both.

            • The Raven

              Huldah, this was the comment I was referring to in the reply.
              ?

            • The Raven

              If you’ll watch Robert’s new video about the design of the wt site and the eye of horus you’ll get a better idea of my comments concerning the devil, the pinnacle and the nwo. It’s a very good explanation touching on much of what we discussed. At your convenience of course.
              🙂

  • Easach of Coimbatore

    Today and tommarow I will be in convention

  • kakure Basho

    How is it that putin is painted as being against terrorism when he obviously supported an attack on his own people and blamed it on chetnya separatists and next thing ya know it’s an invasion and a horrible conflict that kept him in his position. Also it just seems that there where more in innocent civilian casualties with Syria then there where ISIS casualties. So If Russia and America are constantly pushing back and forth against each other how has there not been a invasion or a nuke or conflict on any kind on any of these two soils. It’s always in somebody else’s backyard.

    • Sam Knight

      Yes and remember also a political opposition leader who was murdered.
      It was simply blamed on Muslim terrorists.

    • Richard Long

      Empires never battle in their capitals, only on their borders, because they are always endeavoring to expand their borders. They do, however, often cause destruction and loss of life within their own borders in order to manipulate support for the border expansion policy.

  • Liliana Espinoza

    Amigo, olvidas o mejor dicho ignoras que los sionistas están detrás de todo esto, los sionistas son la bestia salvaje, como dice revelación, la segunda bestia tiene cuernos de cordero pero habla como dragon, detrás de todas las organizaciones políticos mundiales están los sionistas satánicos illuminatis, ellos mueven los hilos del mundo, ellos crearon entre otras la ONU, on, etc, quieren ganar al mundo dándoles lo que al mundo Le gusta, para luego así convencer al mundo que dios no existe ( que es lo que está pasando, levantar una guerra desde medio oriente y cuando el mundo esté desorientado sin dios y pasando una guerra atroz vendrán ellos ( la serpiente junto a la bestia a imponer su religión satánica, la gente que no haya aceptado ser marcda (no tener esperanzas en políticas, organizaciones mundiales, el mundo en sí de satanás) como no han adorado a la bestia ella junto a la serpiente irán a por ellos, ellos serían la mujer que dio a luz al niño que reinará la tierra para bien, pero en ese momento actuará Jehova! Claro que habrá resurrección para muertos, para aquellos que no tuvieron el honor de conocer las buenas nuevas, Dios es justo, así que yo si creo en el
    argumento de los testigos de Jehova, esta muy claro, hay un orden mundial que nos controla desde arriba, nos conocen por Internet y nos manipulan tanto en la música, noticias, programas, que cada ves son más basura para tenernos como zombies controlados, desde la segunda guerra mundial se ha estudiado fluoridation el agua para controlar a las masas porque el flúor si un ser humano lo ingiere inhibe su voluntad, lo hace vulnerable a la dominación, y es lo que han hecho desde hace tiempos, en fin, es un tema de no parar, las cosas están en frente nuestro pero la mayor están cegados aún, eso significa que sus artimañas funcionan….

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