Will the people of Sodom be resurrected?

//Will the people of Sodom be resurrected?

QUESTION: The Watchtower has changed their position on this several times. I would like to know your opinion. Will the people of Sodom be resurrected or not? 

Pondering the question of whether or not the people of Sodom and Gomorrah will be resurrected is really peculiar to Jehovah’s Witnesses, since the mainstream churches do not really believe in any sort of earthly resurrection, much less a resurrection for notoriously wicked persons.

But Jesus indicated that there is to be a resurrection of persons who were not in any sense righteous before God. Here is what Jesus said: “Most truly I say to you, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live. For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man. Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.”

The “dead” first began to hear the voice of the Son of God when Jesus was on earth. Those who listened and believed came to life spiritually and many will have life in themselves when the first resurrection begins during the parousia. But the hour is also coming when the literal dead, those lying in memorial tombs, will hear the powerful voice of the Son of God and come out. Among them will be even those who practiced vile things. That would certainly include the original Sodomites. Theirs, though, is not a resurrection to immortal life in the heavens, but a “resurrection of judgment.”

I liken it to a criminal being sentenced to a period of probation or parole, while they may be free from incarceration they are under restriction until they prove they have reformed themselves. It is the same with the “resurrection of judgement.” The masses of people who will be freed from death will have to mend their ways and develop godliness. They will have to prove that they will obey God —or to be more accurate, God’s Son when he rules the world for 1,000 years. If they do not then their probation is revoked and they experience what the Bible calls the second death. In their case they will literally die a second time. The second death is permanent —no resurrection being possible. The book of Revelation symbolizes the second death as a lake of fire.

Jesus specifically cited the men of Sodom and Gomorrah rising up in the judgment, that is to say in the “resurrection of judgment.” When giving instructions to his disciples as he sent them out on their first preaching campaign he told them not to be overly concerned about the Jews who rejected them, saying: “Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on Judgment Day than for that city.”

Since Jesus assured us that the hour will come when even the ungodly will come out of their graves, and people of the land of Sodom will be on hand during Judgment Day, why is there any question about whether the people of Sodom will actually be included? The reason is because of what is stated in the letter of Jude, which states: “In the same manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.”

“Everlasting fire” symbolizes the same thing as the lake of fire. Jesus similarly spoke of the city garbage dump called Gehenna, where the incinerating fires perpetually burned with sulphured brimstone to consume the refuse.

On the one hand Jesus spoke of Sodom being among the resurrected and on the other hand, Jude said Sodom and Gomorrah are set before us as examples by having undergone the judicial punishment of everlasting fire. Is there a contradiction?

Apparently the Watchtower has had a problem coming to terms with these seemingly contradictory passages; evidenced by the fact that over the years the Watchtower has reversed itself several times, saying they will be resurrected, then flip-flopping to say they will not, then back again. Since 1988 the official stance is they will not —although that might change.

Although Watchtower critics exploit this as an example of doctrinal changes, that is silly. The teaching that there is a heavenly resurrection and an earthly resurrection is a matter of doctrine. And that has never changed. But harmonizing two seemingly contradicting points of Scripture is a matter of interpretation. And for whatever it is worth, I believe that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah will be resurrected.

My reasoning is that the passage in Jude is saying that the fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is placed as a warning example as the two cities experienced divine judgment and literally were burned with fire, which symbolizes eternal destruction.

The two notoriously wicked cities were never rebuilt. So, in that respect they underwent everlasting destruction and consequently stand as a warning example for those who are yet to stand before the judgment seat.

Jehovah made an interesting connection in that regard when foretelling the permanent destruction of Babylon, saying of that iniquitous city: “And Babylon, the most glorious of kingdoms, the beauty and the pride of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them. She will never be inhabited, nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations.” — Isaiah 13:19-20

There is no indication anywhere in the Scriptures that the Chaldeans will not be among those who come out of the memorial tombs. Yet, the kingdom of Babylon met the same inglorious fate as Sodom and Gomorrah.

Edom met the same fate too, as recorded in the 49th chapter of Jeremiah: “‘And Edom must become an object of horror. Everyone passing along by her will stare in horror and whistle on account of all her plagues. Just as in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah and of their neighboring towns,” Jehovah says, “no one will dwell there, and no man will settle there.”’

Again, the comparison is, that like Sodom and Babylon, Edom was never again a nation.

Although Jerusalem was rebuilt the destruction of Jerusalem was considered worse then the punishment meted out to Sodom. Jeremiah lamented: “The punishment of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment for the sin of Sodom, which was overthrown in a moment, with no hand to help her.” —Lamentations 4:6

In what sense was Jerusalem’s punishment greater? Well, the end came for the people of Sodom and Gomorrah more or less instantaneously, whereas Jerusalem endured the horrors of a long, grinding siege.

But the point is, the Babylonians, Edomites and Jews will no doubt experience a resurrection of judgment. So, why not the Sodomites?

The point of the letter of Jude is to exhort Christians to put up a hard fight for the faith and resist those wicked men who have slipped into the congregations, who lurk like rocks below the waterline. They are elders, shepherds feasting with unsuspecting Christians. Jude made it clear that these unspiritual, animalistic men are not necessarily homosexuals, but they possess a similar brazen defiance of Jehovah on a different level.

Indeed, the letter of Jude shows the judgment is directed against those who slip in and assume leadership roles in Christ’s congregation and who present themselves as guiding lights. They are going to experience the same sort of judgment as the city of Sodom did 4,000 years ago —everlasting fire. That is why Jude wrote: “These are the rocks hidden below water at your love feasts while they feast with you, shepherds who feed themselves without fear; waterless clouds carried here and there by the wind; fruitless trees in late autumn, having died twice and having been uprooted; wild waves of the sea that cast up the foam of their own shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackest darkness stands reserved forever.”

Their “having died twice” means that they have already been sentenced to the everlasting fire of the second death. That is what the fiery end of Sodom and Gomorrah represents — everlasting death. At the coming of Christ they will then be thrown out of the congregation into the blackness of oblivion, where they will then experience much weeping and gnashing of teeth, knowing they are soon going to meet the same ignominious fate as Sodom on the day that Jehovah rained down fire and sulphur from heaven upon it.

2017-03-17T15:54:14+00:00 March 17th, 2017|Mailbag|69 Comments
  • Luis Meriño Vásquez

    Thank you Robert. So we can say that the people who died in the deluge will be resurrected. Only people like Cain, the pharisees and Judas and those who sin against the holy spirit are the only ones that are not going to be resurrected.

    • Luis Meriño Vásquez

      Also those who die with the 666 mark.

      • sally

        And those who got swept away in Noah’s flood.

        • Darren Wilks

          So the children too? People are a product of their environment sometimes. I pray Jehovah has mercy on them.

          • L.H.

            Make me think of the promise to Abram; through your seed all mankind will be blessed.
            And like you, that is my prair too, especially for little children.
            We are all products of our passed, even of the passed of our parents and they from theirs.
            Psalms 103 : 14 ” For he well knows how we are formed. Remembering that we are dust”.

            psalm

          • Burt Reynolds

            Yes you are right. I think all opinions are valid on this point, because they all display the attributes of Jehovah, justice and mercy being the main two. We are not insightful enough to pre-empt the mercy of Jehovah.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              They may have been eye witnesses to the garden of Eden and the angel guarding it….Samuramus, Nimrods mother , was well aware of the promised seed from Jehovah that would make things right..don’t think the preflood people were in the dark.

          • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

            What brought about the flood was not a moment of weakness , it was the outright willful deflection, of those people thoughts, he read there hearts and every inclunation was bad all the time so Jehovah viewed them as what they were, that is ruining the earth, themselves and everything in it !. This was not an isolated incidence like Sodom and Ghomora, they had 40 yrs of warning, Jehovah judged that ancient world and its as the ole saying goes , its dead in the water!

            • Darren Wilks

              Too bad for those poor fools for being born back then I guess. The 8-10 year olds whose village or tribe was ransacked by violent gangs and forced to murder their parents. Then taken as child warriors and taught the raping and pillaging way of life. Good thing Jesus saved us and not them!! Oh,, these very things are happening in the Congo, and they surely happened pre-flood. Jesus paid his life for Adam.. and that bought back all of Adam’s children. Just hypothetically, say lets say that the one million plus souls pre-flood were resurrected in the last 100 years of kingdom rule and they got to experience say 80 years of Jesus’ rulership.. how many of those million would choose life at the end of the 100 years? 1 in 10? Maybe even more.. 2 out of 10?

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Long time ago,a humble man with a very strong faith,reasoned in a similar way as you do…it seems to me that you have build your faith on solid ground by reasoning not only with a pure mind,but also by heart…as you know,Abraham did…and Jehovah called him His friend.(Genesis 18:23-33…Hebr.11:8-16)…Gen.18:25-“It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you! Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?”…I belive it is more important than ever before that we must build on our fait with a BIG portion of agape-love in it along with many heartfelt prayers …We have all of us sooooo many things yet to learn …I love to be a human,but i hate all the evil in this world…in my heart i shout out a loud and clear WELCOME to the wonderful future Kingdom of Jehovah…my mind” is there” already…it went away long time ago when i was a little boy… you Darren and me and all people ever born on this amazing planet,have all got that incredible “lottery” prize of life…because every birth is indeed a miracle in it self…I just have to say that i am so so very thankful to my loving and caring Creator Jehovah for this opportunity to by free will make myself my very own personality in harmony with all i know about Him…And this opportunity i which for as many as possible…even my enemy if Jehovah say so…He are indeed able to see what is deep inside every human…His love and mercy goes way over our imagination …Much love to you and who ever else who may read this and longing for Jehovahs Kingdom..may Jehovah bless you and help you to endure every single obstacle in your way

            • Joseph Stephan

              Your busted Arvid, word is out on why your such a good wonderful soul!!!

              https://youtu.be/YG4-vvq98XI

            • Arvid Fløysand

              if so,im in very good company on this site…i would say likewise to you Joseph…:-)

            • Joseph Stephan

              I hope to meet you one day, and have a paradise tour of your homeland! I hope you had a chance to enjoy the Jesus of nazareth Video clips.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Thats my hope too 🙂

            • Beverly kenyon

              Only just seen this post. So love it. Still haven’t figured out up voting yet. Wished I lived in Norway cos I want to be so happy. Sigh…if only! Apart from the cold….nooooo, I’ll never be happy as I’m moaning already and I’m not even in Norway! Lol.

            • L.H.

              Beverly, I just gave you one

            • Beverly kenyon

              Where LH? Lol. Is it those little arrow heads next to where it says, ‘reply’? And if so, say for instance do I go on your post and press one of them to up vote you? Don’t laugh, ( I know I would if it was the other way round ), but I bet you’re thinking, how dumb is she? Lol. Technology bores me LH! I have real things to do! The basics…that’s me!

            • L.H.

              Thats me too Beverly!
              But yes, you almost figured it out. At the bottom of your post to Joseph Stephan, you see “2” , see it?
              If you move your cursor over that number you see who upvoted you. Often if someone want to let you know they saw your reply, they click on the arrow to let you know.
              From the number of you posts I see you missed a lot of them !:)
              But I wait all night now to get Your First Upvote!!

            • Beverly kenyon

              So excited LH. I’ve just up voted you. That’s what Joseph was trying to teach me the other day but it wasn’t working. Ha! Can’t believe I can do it now. Even though technology bores me rigid, I start to zone out as soon as someone starts talking tech, I still feel really chuffed when I learn something new. Thanks LH. Now I’ve got to Thank Burt as well!

            • L.H.

              Yeah you did it!!!
              Without your computer exploding, it is not that scary you see?
              I’m happy too, for I don’t have to stay up all night. Now we gonna celebrate YFU

            • Beverly kenyon

              Ha! Lol.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I’ve never noticed them before LH. I hope you can see I’ve up voted you. Is the cursor that line thing that moves as you type! I’m a very basic person LH. I jump on EWatchman, I type my comment and I don’t do anything else as such in case it all goes wrong! I like things simple. I’m like that in the car. I jump in I use what I have to use, I don’t touch anything else as I don’t know what half those things in the car is for and don’t even mention Sat Nav as I can’t drive, listen to instructions and chew gum at the same time! Probably end up in a river! So keep it simple like myself! Don’t laugh LH.

            • L.H.

              I can’t help but laughing.
              Must be a silly thing to see someone laughing at a computerscreen. I used the word cursor because i didn’t know it was right to use “mouse”, since I’m not a native English speaker,but you’ve noticed that already i think.
              I even have to use google translate for this sentence.So if you see “someone is typing a comment”, and it lasts a really long time, good chance its me. And I don’t even talk about driving ….but still alive…

            • Beverly kenyon

              I know what you mean LH about taking forever typing a comment…it takes me like, forever! Don’t know about LH, but I just think most things in this world is stupid, I just can’t take it seriously as I know the real life is to come when Jehovah brings about his Kingdom. I’m just biding my time and if I have moments of happiness and laughter and same goes for everyone I care about then great! I’ll count my blessings! Don’t want to intrude and you don’t have to answer it LH, but if you’re not an English speaker, what speaker are you? I won’t be offended if you want to be anonymous…that’s okay. Btw, your English is good as I’ve always understood you and what you have to say.

            • L.H.

              I tried to send you a reply, but it dissapeared. I’ll try again.

            • L.H.

              I think you are faster than I am (typing). And I assume other things as well.
              I’mhappy to read you count your blessings.
              Through your posts I can see you are apositive thinking person!
              Thats the best way to cope, even with boring tech stuff.
              I use some of my initials because of lack of contriving a nickname and I didn’t put a picture because I don’t have one on my computer.
              (And to not scare anybody).
              Beverly, I would like to tell you where I’m from, but I feel more comfortable not reveiling to much of myself. Not because of you but because the great crowd is not so great yet that nobody could ever recognize me. And there are some reasons I rather stay anonymous.
              But thank you for asking. Of course I’m not offended, nor did I expect you to be.
              I’m glad you understand my not so highly developed English , but it’s sometimes hard to tell what I really want to. I think most of the time I leave commenting here up to others!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya LH, no way am I faster at typing than you and my comments are usually riddles with mistakes but some due to that spell check thing on this device. It changes words when it spells for you. I’m sure you have really good reasons for wanting to be anonymous and that’s okay. I respect that and that’s your business but it’s great you rose above it and came here to join in the discussions on this forum and I know you’re a very spiritual person because of the things you say and you English is brilliant…at least you can speak a second language and that’s amazing. When you’re English you tend to think that everyone else should speak English as we tend not to make much of an effort to learn someone else’s language. Yeah, I can imagine you might struggle a bit trying to get your point across but everything you’ve said so far is really understandable so don’t stress LH. I’m the same about pictures, don’t want to scare people. Lol. See, I’ve made a mistake, I’ve put ‘riddles’ when it should ‘riddled’. No LH, you comment away…don’t hold back, you’ve got all that bible knowledge but coupled with sincerity and common sense and warmth and gentleness and you’re approachable in that a person doesn’t feel a bit apprehensive about posting back to you because sometimes I think, I can’t reply to that person as that person is way too clever and knows more than me or they might come across as a bit aloof so it puts you off from getting involved in the discussion but I don’t get that from you at all. So please always post your comments LH and it’s great you’re here. I’m watching Sky news and the numbers of victims in the London attack is going up. Awful.

            • L.H.

              Thanks Beverly. And yes its horrific ,saw it on the news this evening.

            • Burt Reynolds

              You press that little v shaped thing at the left hand corner underneath this note. If you press the left, roof shape one, ^ you up vote ? or if you press the v shape one you down vote☹️

            • Beverly kenyon

              As you can see Burt, I’ve up voted you. That’s a thank You for your explanation with pictures as well. Lol. I get it now! It’s a great thing to do to show appreciation for someone’s comment but don’t you think it might upset someone if they don’t get that up vote thing. I can be a bit competitive so I’ll be thinking, I didn’t get an up vote then from her or him!! And I might go into a sulk! Only kidding I’ll try to contain my finger from hitting that little arrow! I can honestly say until days ago I was clueless to what those little symbols were. It was a sister who mentioned it to me! Thanks Burt. Everyone on EWatchman gets my up vote for finding their way here for Truth and lively and interesting Bible discussions. It’s the place to be!

            • Burt Reynolds

              I suppose everyone likes to be approved of. After all, that is what the truth is about, gaining Jehovah’s approval, but it’s not the up votes that are important, but the filial agreement of the brother, sisterhood in coming to a correct understanding. After all, in essence, the agreement of man, is simply an agreement of a fellow sinner. ‘Put not your faith in men…or in things that rust…’

            • Jamie Mac

              I’ll upvote you because you upvoted Burt 🙂

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hope this isn’t gonna be an upvote wars Jamie! Those little arrows will be flicked up and down! Hope you’re keeping your chin up on the job front. Something will turn up eventually.

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Darrin wilks..How many of them chose life pre flood? How many of them listened? What part of those people observed Jehovahs Angels guarding the entrances to the tree of life? Those people observed spirit beings materialize .Those people knew more about jehovah than we do. Those people where warned, they’re not coming back ever! if they did, it makes Jehovah hypocritical. It makes his judgements childish fits of anger because he can chose to bring people back people to life every time he throws a fit and destroys his creations. Its obviouse you can’t see the
              justice in what Jehovah condemns. Hopefully your not the kind of person who prays for the wicked demons because the scriptures say to pray for our enemys do you? Wake up. That world and those people are gone forever.

            • Darren Wilks

              Do you know who the ransom was paid to? It was not paid to Jehovah. It was paid to satisfy divine Justice and Law. So technically, Jesus only ransomed Adam’s
              life. But that life included every thing that life owned, including
              his wife and children, dominion over the animals etc. So Jesus only
              died directly for Adam, we benefit indirectly,or as a secondary effect. (Romans 5:12-18, 1 Corinthians 15: 21,22, Timothy 2:6)

              I don’t know how many of them observed spiritual things. If they sinned against Jehovah’s Holy spirit, then they won’t come back.. I seriously doubt that all of them sinned against Holy Spirit. And, comparing those people to perfect angels that sinned isn’t really fair is it? They were not perfect. Destroying that wicked world was not done for justice though. Justice was satisfied when Jesus paid the price.

              We all deserve death according to Jehovah’s judgment just like the pre-flood people in case you forgot.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Exactly.

              If there is no mercy then there is no hope.

              But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith.
              For there is no distinction.
              For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. God set him forth as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood.
              This was in order to exhibit his own righteousness,
              (because he was forgiving the sins that occurred in the past)
              while God was exercising forbearance; so as to exhibit his own righteousness in this present season, that he might be righteous even when declaring righteous the man that has faith in Jesus.Romans 3:21-36.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              So what you’re saying is because Jehovah shows mercy upon whom he shows mercy that would make him a hypocrite? then I suppose that would make Jesus a fool for laying down his life in Jehovah’s ultimate expression of mercy for mankind’s salvation, I don’t think so.

              So is Jehovah a hypocrite because he showed mercy to the Apostle Paul who use to be called saul and in fact saul / paul not only persecuted the newly founded Christians congregation but also condoned putting some of them to death yet Jehovah showed him mercy! .

              This fact alone surely proves that Jehovah is it GOD of love and mercy beyond our comprehension.

              Now please keep in mind Jesus who is the exact image of his glorious Father Jehovah perform many acts of mercy by given eyesight back to the blind and curing the infirmed as well as resurrecting the dead thus proving beyond a shadow of doubt that he Is the son of GOD yet they still impaled him yet Jesus prayed for their forgiveness / salvation.

              And he can rightfully do so because he paid with his righteous blood for there sins, Jesus is just like his father showing mercy upon whom he shows mercy and in this case he is showing mercy upon all who recognize their own sinful tendencies and repent as the Apostle Paul did.

              In fact Jesus ransom certifies is so powerful that It could save the worst of the worst and that also includes people of ancient times if Jehovah chooses to show mercy.

              For he says to Moses: “I will have mercy upon whomever I do have mercy, and I will show compassion to whomever I do show compassion. Romans 9:15.

              With the exception of the Judas Iscariot of the world, they will not be shown any mercy and will be subjected to the second death.

              “On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven.For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit,it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come. Matthew 12:32-32.

              Now listen carefully to Jesus’ words when they were impaling him and take note that Jesus did not condemn them but prayed to GOD to forgive them because they did not know what they were doing.

              But Jesus was saying:
              “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. Luke 23:34.-A

              With that all be said, ask yourself how much more would Jesus’ words apply to people of ancient times who did not know what they were doing?

              But he said: “I myself shall cause all my goodness to pass before your face, and I will declare the name of Jehovah before you; and I will favor the one whom I may favor, and I will show mercy to the one to whom I may show mercy. Exodus 33:19

              Go, then, and learn what this means, ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners Matthew 9: 13. Read more>

              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/matthew/9/#v40009013

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              The reply to darrin wilks is a simple one. If your read my first post it says jehovahs judged those people that died in the flood, im not sure where you come off calling jesus a clown. But thats on you. I didnt say people who died pre flood weren’t coming back. I said that those who died in the after being judged arent coming back and they never will ever! No amount of preaching or would have helped them. And it would make Jehovah a God of childish fits. I guess he can smash everything for nothing right? I guess the the flood served no warning at all , we can all just screw up get destroyed over and over perpetually right? so what was the point of the flood? A show of power? I guess if it takes a genius to figure out all Jehovah had to do was just kill the bad ones without wrecking the entire earth. Right? Sorry pal The flood and those who died in it are gone for good.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              I think I get what your saying Rev. In Noah’s day people were bad all the time and took no note and paid the price. In Lot’s day people were the same way and Jehovah reassured Lot by telling him even if there was just one good person he wouldn’t destroy the city. When the third round purge comes it will be a similar form of judgment except this time with an opposing counterfeit kingdom and Christ kingdom and once again people will take no note and do there own thing paying the price. Is this basically what your alluding to?

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Exactly.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Copy that. I suppose if I was surrounded by a bunch of tweetie birds like in the picture above I would want to leave as soon as possible too! Thanks

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Revv I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding.

              First of all to set the record straight I for my part do agree that the people who died in the actual flood / THAT generation itself because they took no note – would have suffered the adverse judgment from Jehovah due to their own ungodly belligerents of not heeding the warnings are more than likely never to see the light of day again however I can not say the same for those who lived prior to the warnings of Noah and I think we all can agree that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah surely have the hope of the resurrection.

              Now if you go back and reread what I wrote to you could you please take notice that I didn’t agree with you nor did I disagree with you.
              in other words I didn’t say you were right or you were wrong however I did get upset when it appeared to me that you insinuated that GOD would have been a hypocrite if he chose to show any mercy and that’s why I wrote to you about Jehovah’s mercy.

              PS I didn’t call Jesus a fool. I was asking you a question or your opinion on what you actually believed concerning Jehovah’s mercy when i said”

              (So what you’re saying is because Jehovah shows mercy upon whom he shows mercy that would make him a hypocrite?)

              and then I said’

              ( I suppose that would make Jesus a fool ).

              Again please reread the excerpt below.

              So what you’re saying is because Jehovah shows mercy upon whom he shows mercy that would make him a hypocrite? then I suppose that would make Jesus a fool for laying down his life in Jehovah’s ultimate expression of mercy for mankind’s salvation, I don’t think so.

            • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

              Hey Kevin its cool . Its a discussion board. No worries.

            • Darren Wilks

              “Most truly I say to you,
              the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of
              the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live. For just as
              the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to
              have life in himself. And he has given him authority to do judging,
              because he is the Son of man. Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is
              coming in which {SOME OF THOSE} in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and
              come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those
              who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.” Fixed it for you… I hope you can sense my sarcasm. Our master said All.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hello Kevin…yet another “bullseye” from you :-)…very nice comment..and the topic is interesting so no wonder there is more than one “dart” plunged in “bullseye”…but of course in this “game”…even “darts” hitting the “wall” around have its value and purpose…its a very good training -camp for all and every one following this site…i love to sharpen my “sword” together with all the fine brothers and sisters on this site..I guess satan must hate to see how we grow like beautiful flowers who become bigger and stronger in faith and love towards Jehova and each other..despite that we all are different..what we have in common is greater than our self ( John.15:4″Remain in union with me,and I will remain in union with you.Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine…..” 9 Just as the Father has loved me,so I have loved you :remain in my love.)

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Yes the darts hitting the wall around the bullseye have there value and purpose and will be shown mercy provided they keep the faith and our great GOD Jehovah who is a GOD of justice understands all too well why many of these darts as you say miss their mark and will deal with them just and fairly according to his great mercy and love.

              Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the good news; it is, in fact, God’s power for salvation to everyone having faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek; for in it God’s righteousness is being revealed by reason of faith and toward faith, just as it is written: “But the righteous one—by means of faith he will live.”

              Deuteronomy 32:4 The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; Righteous and upright is he.

            • Burt Reynolds

              It’s not that simple Rev. People suffer from all sorts of influences and are unable to respond. Look at all the people who have suffered abusive upbringings, people unable to understand because of their life experiences. People even who are evil because they do not know, cannot see what good is. You may well be right in your hypothesis, but equally wrong. And anyway, it dies not matter because the decision is already made. Jehovah will do what is right, but in our imperfect state, we do not understand the scope of justice. At least, I do not.

            • Burt Reynolds

              There has to be a greater love than we are aware of at this time as you suggest, rightly so. Every now and again, we see someone with amazing capabilities in the senses. There was a chap recorded who had a stroke, and woke up able to play the piano as a professional. People who can see thousands of shades of colour, multilingual, outrageous IQs. People who can smell disease! Does Jehovah actually take life, or just inhibit people from being conscious of it? What in fact, is life? As Arvid says, we have so much to learn about love and the intricacies of justice. We will have to wait to see who is resurrected or saved, and I’m sure we will be surprised!

  • Burt Reynolds

    There is only one way to be certain who is going to be resurrected and that is to be there at the time. Endure to the end everybody!

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    I have serious doubt that those who died during the flood will return. There is a problem that stands as a testament that Noah was a preacher of righteousness, and fourty yrs he preached. And no-one took note. Only eight went through the flood. And the only regret that Jehovah viewed was for the animals and overwhelming destruction to the beautiful earth. He never mentioned people. I think they will remain dead.

    • bobby6343

      I concur with your statement!

    • I am with you on that.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Well, yes, I see your point, but the bible suggests that all will get a resurrection, both the righteous and the unrighteous. And does not death pay the price? And accordingly, the only utterance to the contrary was the grieving of the spirit. That only one righteous man, so to speak, was found in the entire world and his family, is in keeping with the parallels and example of the expected resurrection of the sodomites. Christ said ‘all will get a resurrection.’ Jehovah had a purpose in bringing the son as suggested in the garden, ‘he will bruise you in the head, you will bruise him in the heel…’ And does the destruction of the inhabitants of the Earth ( including the Nephalim) have a part in bringing that about, Jehovah being the alpha and the omega, the one knowing the beginning from the end? Jesus died for all, for once and for all time. It does not specify a time restraint, or, apart from grieving the spirit, the degree of sin. And don’t forget, those before hand did not have a ransomer, they only had an influencer and the Nephalim played a huge physical part in that. Who could stand against them? How could those of human origins, stand against spiritual monsters, bent on the devils work? Surely one of the issues about the flood was to rid the world of the demonic presence and, given Jehovah’s infinite wisdom and love, needed to even the scales for us, he lovingly gave the human population the chance. If you look at the antithesis of the issues, you could not do better than to look at the situation coming down on us and more importantly, the annointed. ‘Without Jehovah bringing the world to an end, none would be saved’. If it requires Jehovah’s intervention to save those knowledgable of his word, and gifted with anointing, then did it not prove necessary then to remove the Nephalim and their influence? That, it may seem, would leave a hole in my arguement, that those not heading the word in the coming tribulation are destroyed for all time, but was that really the case for them back then, without the ransomer to prove that it was possible to serve Jehovah and die perfect as Jesus did? Well, the question was not settled then, before the blood, was it. Could the motive to start again be due to the unfair competition? Don’t forget, the Angels were stopped from materialising again after the flood. Why?
      We today, are conditioned to describe mercy and proscribe mercy on our own terms, our own thinking. Back then, where was the balance? No signs, no saviour, great influence to the contrary, just the word of one man, crazy enough to build a massive boat in the middle of dry land away from the sea. Was the presence of Jehovah then known to all? Apparently not, otherwise why was a man needed to preach. Today, it is easy for us with the bible, Christ, signs …to scoff at those that oppose the bible truths so clear for us today, such as the Victorian onslaught a few weeks ago, but back then, issues were different, more clouded by the clear presence of satanic angelic forms. Even today, one thing worth remembering for me, is the influence of the watchtower. If they can influence millions of adherants, to ignore Jehovah in this day, how much more could Nephalim do in those days? I don’t profess deep biblical understanding, but I have been taught a hard lesson by the watchtower, and that is that Jehovah is more merciful than his people. Not that friends here do not have insight into that fact, but only that I will leave the issue of mercy to Jehovah.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        More food for thought.

        In essence it could be said that Noah’s days were cut short or no flesh would have been saved because if the ungodly Nephalim were allowed to continue on their conquest I’m sure eventually they would have annihilated Noah’s seed.
        And ultimately was that not Satan’s goal?

        In fact If Satan’s seed was allowed to continue in the future than all of mankind would surely be annihilated thus Jehovah cuts the days short or no flesh would be saved. Matthew 24:22

        But God is faithful, and he will not let YOU be tempted beyond what YOU can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out in order for YOU to be able to endure it.
        1 Corinthians 10:13-B.
        However we must continue to do our part and be faithful like Noah and his family.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Yes. I agree.
          Looking at the picture Robert put up, it looks as though you can take sodom away from the sodomites, but you can’t take the sodomy out of the people! I can’t believe people actually flaunt their debauched minds that way, and in the street of all places. I recall Robert remarking on the normalisation of such things, and the righteous way being sacrificed for it. People would think you’re crazy if you went out onto the street in your underwear promoting hetro sexuality. But then, does one need to advertise normality? Righteousness needs no explanation….yet, but it’s rapidly becoming that way the further we leave it behind and distort what normality is.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Yes they do flaunt their debauched minds that way and they think it’s quite normal,
            And I have personally seen / witness their very baldness of flaunting their immoral ways in public and (with no shame) in fact they proudly flaunt them selves taking no note of their hideous conduct.
            I have worked in Manhattan where it seems to be very prevalent and some of the things I have seen done in public would truly discussed a normal person.

            However Jehovah has answered my prayers as of recently and
            soon I will be moving away from the horrible sight of the city but ironically were I am moving is only 60 miles away from the new headquarters of Jehovah’s witnesses in Warwick new York, keep in mind I was just looking to get away from the city and had no idea that I would wind up just 60 miles away from the new headquarters.
            You could call a chance or coincidence but I think it’s Jehovah’s direction and so I will follow through and continue to follow his direction wherever it takes me.

          • Beverly kenyon

            I’ve always thought why do they have to flaunt their sexuality in everyone’s face….it’s right up in your ‘grill’. Why?! You should see it here in Manchester…it’s the most ridiculous spectacle and a bit laughable! I don’t see hetero’s half undressed snogging each other faces off dancing wildly on floats going through the city centre….yes, I get it! Just another excuse to party!

          • Brian

            Burt, we can only view these things happening as something that must take place and even more so as we get closer to the day of the kingdoms arrival. Not good things but predictable. What is also very insidious about this especially in the “western world” is the unrelenting drive by these people to have everyone accept them and their actions as acceptable and even have the “normal” people championing their cause.

        • Richard Long

          Kevin, I know I’m late to the party, but the commentary got me to thinking and I thought best to throw this bone into your side of the pen.

          If the Disobedient angels TOOK all the women they wanted, and TOOK meant the same thing to Moses it means to us, perhaps some room, albeit slim, might exist for mercy to some.
          Could it be some or many of the human women were not particularly fond of their angelic “owners”, maybe even TAKEN against their will and forced to serve as “freakubators” and not exactly thrilled with their offspring?

          Also might there be evidence some or many of Noah’s neighbors were restrained from entering into deliverance by their more powerful neighbors?

          Lastly, maybe conditions were just SO bad, death was mercy for a population so brutally traumatized?

          Hard to relate our times and theirs, but would rather be surprised by the abundance of mercy shown than disappointed by over-expectation.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that “every inclination” of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. Read more>
            https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/genesis/6/#v1006005-v1006008

            Richard asked “Maybe conditions were just SO bad, death was mercy for a population so brutally traumatized?.
            Yes It’s possible that Jehovah was being merciful.

            Eʹnoch kept walking with the true God. Then he was no more, for God took him. Genesis 5:24.
            Hebrews 11:5
            5 By faith Eʹnoch was transferred so as not to see death, and he was nowhere to be found because God had transferred him; for before he was transferred he received the witness that he had pleased God well

            Search results for: Nephilim.
            Read a lot more>
            https://e-watchman.com/?s=Nephilim

      • Brian

        Definitely leave the mercy to Jehovah, it really isn’t anyone’s job to try and work out who will be getting a resurrection and who will not. The same goes for trying to speculate on who will ultimately be a part of the great crowd especially when there is a massive carnage inducing “great tribulation” that is going to befall the earth. The criteria for that seems to be people washing their robes in the blood of the lamb and that could happen on a grand scale and no one on this side of it can say.

  • Ken Rosenberg

    Lol that photo! You are a troll lol.

    • No. I was just smoking you out with it.

      • Jamie Mac

        thought you had given up the weed 🙂

  • Marisa Gomez

    Resucitaran los que practicaron cosas viles?????….. Es decir resucitaran entonces Adan, Eva, Cain, faraon y su ejercito????? No,,,,,,no lo creo,,,,,ellos ya recibieron juicio Divino…
    Los que no conocieron a Jehová en este sistema de cosas y practicaron cosas viles, seran resucitados en los mil años……si continuan en su desafuero,,,,entonces recibiran un juicio de muerte segunda….(resurreccion de juicio).

  • Jamie Mac

    Hi brothers and sisters, hope you are all well.

    There are many thoughtful comments for this article about who and who won’t be resurrected. Without Jesus laying down his life for us, it would not be possible at all. That is the greatest sacrifice ever made by flesh.

    I often think about this but coming from a different angle. I reason , rightly or wrongly, that there are persons alive today who are loving and kind but will succumb to the mark of the beast, perhaps through fear. These unfortunate souls will not be resurrected, yet perhaps some who lived in Sodom or may have lived in the pre flood era may well be. Hope you understand my reasoning. It is probably flawed.

    I must admit I am scared thinking this way as it sounds as if I don’t trust our creators judgement. I really, really, really do trust Jehovah’s judgement.

    Please can anyone offer some scripture to capture my thoughts.

    • Joseph Stephan
      • Jamie Mac

        Hey Joseph, I love the clips you provide of my all time favourite film. As someone before has pointed out, there are a few embellishments here and there, but that does not detract from the sense of majesty and power which jumps out at you when watching it. The scene which always gives me shivers is the scene between Pilate and Jesus after Jesus having been whipped. John 19:11, Jesus response to Pilate’s question made Pilate even more fearful.

  • PursuingTruth

    Whether or not the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are resurrected is entirely up to Jehovah God and not a salvation matter for oneself. I concentrate on walking in the footsteps of Jesus Christ standing before the Almighty creator acceptable to him personally.

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