How will we know when Satan is cast down?

//How will we know when Satan is cast down?

As regards your video The Beginning and the End, how do you know that Satan and his angels were not thrown out of heaven in 1914? And if it happens in the future, how will we know it?

As Jehovah’s Witnesses well know the Watchtower’s “evidence” for 1914 is primarily based upon chronology —the so-called seven times that have been formulated to mean 2,520 years and are counted from the year Jerusalem is believed to have been sacked by Nebuchadnezzar. And as if right on the mark, in 1914 Europe’s great bloodbath began, what we now call the First World War.

The evidence is considered to be irrefutable by Jehovah’s Witnesses.There is, however, a very important point that Jehovah’s Witnesses fail to grasp. The seven times have been attached to what Jesus spoke of concerning the appointed times of the nations to trample Jerusalem. It is assumed that the nations began trampling upon Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. However, how likely is it that the apostles understood that the appointed times of the nations had already begun? The thought probably never entered their minds.  (YouTube Was 1914 the End of the Gentile Times?)

Remember, a few days before Jesus stunned them when he wept over Jerusalem and told them the temple was going to be destroyed. They naturally wanted to now when that horrible disaster was going to happen. Christ spoke of the trampling of Jerusalem in answer of their question, “when will these things actually be?” They most certainly wanted to know the future, not the past.

In response Jesus told them that Jerusalem would be surrounded by armies and encircled with pointed stakes. Jesus went on to say: “There will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.”

Please take note that Jesus said “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations.” There is no indication that the trampling had already begun. If that is what Jesus intended it seems that he would have said something like, ‘And Jerusalem will continue to be trampled upon…’

Of course, there is an antitypical Jerusalem that is due to be trampled too, just as the literal city was in 70 C.E. But the point is, neither the typical nor the symbolic city of Jerusalem was being trampled by the nations when Jesus spoke of the things that are destined to occur. There is, therefore, no scriptural justification, whatsoever, for the Watchtower’s claim that the appointed times of the nations began in 607 B.C.E.

Besides that, the artificiality of the Watchtower’s interpretation is apparent in other ways. Jehovah’s Witnesses well know that “Jerusalem” has a symbolic meaning and a significance for Christians who will be living when the great tribulation comes upon the entire inhabited earth. The Watchtower claims that the holy place that will be desolated represents unholy Christendom. At the same time, though, it has interpreted vital prophecies in Daniel pertaining to the desolation of the holy place as applying to Jehovah’s Witnesses in a bygone time.

For example, Jesus connected the end times desolation of Jerusalem to the prophecy of Daniel, advising the reader to use discernment. The eighth chapter of Daniel specifically foretells the desolation of a holy place for an appointed time. I have written a fair amount about this obvious connection. 

 For the dominant seventh head of the wild beast, that war (WWI) was a major disaster. Along with other European nations, Britain lost its young men in traumatic numbers. In one battle alone, the Battle of the River Somme in 1916, there were 420,000 British casualties along with some 194,000 French and 440,000 German—more than 1,000,000 casualties! Economically, too, Britain—together with the rest of Europe—was shattered. The huge British Empire staggered under the blow and never fully recovered. Indeed, that war, with 28 leading nations participating, sent the entire world reeling as if by a deathblow. – Grand Climax page 190

 But the most important proof to signal when Satan has been cast down is the death blow that is simultaneously inflicted upon the ruling head of the Devil’s political beast. The Watchtower is well aware of this connection and that is why in order to support their 1914 dogma Bethel has also been compelled to advance the absurdity that the Anglo-American duo suffered a catastrophic blow during the First World War.

Never mind the fact that the British-American alliance was victorious and American troops were only involved in the European conflict for a little more than a year and that American casualties were about the same in the Vietnam War. And neither the governments in London or Washington D.C. experienced any sort of instability or anything that could even remotely be comparable to the sort of mortal head would depicted in prophecy. Bethel says it is true and that makes it so, at least in the minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

But setting these inconvenient facts aside, let’s say the staggering loss of life the British experienced was the death blow from which they quickly recovered. If that were true, then that means the judgment of the world has begun. That is because, according to the 13th chapter of Revelation anyone who admires the beast after its miraculous recovery from the mortal wound inflicted upon it is doomed to everlasting destruction. Since the book of Revelation clearly states that none of those who pledge their allegiance to the revived beast have their names written in Jehovah’s book of life, that means virtually everyone who has lived and died over the course of the past century, as well as the eight billion souls presently alive, have no hope of salvation. 

But if the masses of humanity have no possibility of redemption, why bother preaching a message of hope to the world? Why go to all the trouble and expense of distributing billions of tracts, magazines, books and pamphlets, inviting people of the world to embrace the hope of never dying if their names have been forgotten by the God of life?

Of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot possibly resolve this glaring contradiction. To do so would require junking the whole 1914 thing. And that is considered rank blasphemy and apostasy. Meanwhile, the Governing Body simply pretends that there is no contradiction. They have that luxury now, and obviously have no intention of ever addressing the absurdities they require Jehovah’s Witnesses to embrace. Such is the nature of the deluding influence that presently grips the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

However, while the Watchtower may rule over the minds of Jehovah’s Witnesses now, they cannot control the future. At some point reality will burst through the Wall. That is certain to  occur when Satan is cast down.

Already some people (other than Jehovah’s Witnesses) are aware that the United States is facing an existential crises. The stage is set for war, civil unrest and an unavoidable financial collapse. It is not at all in the realm of fiction that the United States will be destroyed —at least the republic. Something as simple as the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank raising the interest rates just a couple of percentage points could not only crash the economy, but bankrupt the U.S. Treasury, making it impossible for the government to pay the interest or borrow more money. Essentially, the banking cartel that rules America and Europe can simply foreclose on government —indeed, upon the nations. They have already demonstrated how it works with Greece. And it bears mentioning that the recent election of Donald Trump certainly seems to have accelerated the inevitable confrontation between the empire of the bankers and the republic. 

So, in answer to the question how will we know when Satan and his angels have been cast down?

When the Anglo-American system crashes. From the ashes will arise a dictatorial monster. Then Jehovah’s Witnesses will be confronted with an enraged beast. Needless to say, then everything that is presently taught by the Watchtower connected to 1914 and ardently believed to be God’s sacred truth, will be discarded as the nonsense it is.

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2017-02-14T17:54:12+00:00 January 31st, 2017|Mailbag|149 Comments
  • “at least the republic”. i concur

  • Jamie Mac

    Thanks Robert, enjoyed the article.

  • Leonard k

    very well explained brother Robert I really enjoyed this article and it all makes perfect sense and with the way things are going in the world today it wont be much longer now and the end will be suddenly upon us. thank you brother Robert and may Jehovah continue to bless all of your wonderful efforts.

    • Observing Quietly

      Excellent article. Thank you.

      • Cocheta

        welcome back, OQ, I have really missed you. I need to talk to you. My e-mail is abi288@hotmail.com I need your peace in my life xoxoxo

        • Observing Quietly

          Cocheta, sent you a note.

      • Beverly kenyon

        Like Cocheta, really missed you Observing Quitely. Happy to see you here and hope everything is alright for you and your husband. Hope you get in touch with Cocheta as she needs all offers of support at this time and I know she thinks a lot of you. X

        • Observing Quietly

          Thanks Beverly, as my name implies I like to Observe Quietly, but I don’t leave. Call me the little fly on the wall if you like. LOL!

          • Beverly kenyon

            Fantastic to hear from you Observing Quietly. Hope both you and your husband are okay. You had me, Cocheta and Burt a bit worried there as you did live up to your name…not a peep from you. X

          • Arvid Fløysand

            Good to see you again…i guess there was a fly ore two in Noahs ark too ;-)…and maybe two frogs in the corner…may Jehovah bless and protect us all despite of our different ways of living and behaviour,as long as we stay close to Jehovah and love each other as He loves us…(would there be life on this beautiful planet without flyes?)

      • Burt Reynolds

        Glad your back. Qualities of steel.

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  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations.

    ‘And Jerusalem will continue to be trampled upon…’

    Is a nice point Br. Robert king has brought out I don’t know how the GB has overlooked may be that is where the Satan has blinded them by his deluding influence.

  • Cocheta

    Bro Robert, there is a glitch on the site, it’s giving HTTP response code 503 & restricting access. Reason: Exceeded the maximum number of page not found errors per minute for humans.

    • ewatchman

      You have been locked out. if you email me you IP address we can fix it for you

      • Burt Reynolds

        I’m still temporarily locked out of the forum on a permenant basis!

      • Cocheta

        sorted, thank you Robert, their was a glitch in the site but it’s working perfectly now

    • Burt Reynolds

      I didn’t know you spoke computerese! I often exceed maximum errors per minute for humans!

  • sally

    Excellent article – thank you. It does really really seem that Satan is finally heading downwards with a big boot up the booty and won’t those angles be relieved to get rid of him. Then it really is our turn and hopefully our brothers and sisters around the world will finally wake up and see that this prophesy has not been unfolding over the past century.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Amen!

  • ewatchman

    Just a quick note: The translator program is working again

  • Burt Reynolds

    Excellent article. It is difficult to believe the governing body are not aware of the contradictions in thei preaching.

    • Daisy

      Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.
      I’m leaving hospital tomorrow having had another procedure today. It took just one hour..and the good news is… I’m CANCER FREE my brothers/sisters. Yes. Really! Where’s it gone? I can’t believe it as s uch unexpected news is such a shock and oh, your prayers everybody. How do I thank you all, your loving LOVING kindnesses all of you. You’ll never know how you carried me through this trial. I’ll just hang on to this warm & fuzzy feeling for as long as I can! Love to you all my dear friends & brothers. Mwah mwah :Daisy

      • Joseph Stephan

        This is emotionally amazing, fantasist, joyous news !!!!!!!!!!?????
        Thank you so much Jehovah for giving our sweet Daisy a clean Bill of health!
        Amazing……..?

        Love you ❤
        Joseph

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Dear sister…tonight i will go to sleep with a big smile on my face.This great news makes my heart jump in my chest of pure JOY…i know for sure that you got this strong faith in and love for Jehovah and Jesus..i hope that i can have the privilege to walk the last mile in to the new paradise world together with you and hopefully all meek and loving truthseekers on this site and all out there were ever they are…the ground will shake when the great crowd cry out their lungs of joy…(big hug)

      • Beverly kenyon

        That is the most amazing news. You conquered that cruel disease. Well done to you Daisy and all your medical team who were with you all the way and your Husband!

        • Daisy

          A maze ing. I’m still in shock. Yes, all gone in just two chemo cycles, one radiotherapy cycle every day for a month, millions of prayers & knowing God watched over me. I felt strong moments of calm to prove it, but when i asked God not to leave me during those fleeting seconds , I spoiled the subconscious connection. Whst also helped was that horrible pond weed I whazzed up in my nutribullet, all green & slimy! Had to hold my nose…
          My phone’s needs a charge, so have to sign off dears.:D

          • Beverly kenyon

            Sleep well tonight Daisy, knowing you’re the winner and not a victim. Your faith, treatment, mental strength, love, the horrible pond weed, family and prayers and your friends here is what kept you going with determination to win! You’ve set an amazing example for anyone who might be facing the same ordeal and it’s been an epic journey Daisy…you just kept going. Absolutely Amazing. Sweet Dreams Daisy. Xx

          • Southern ShaSha

            Dear Daisy, amazing news. Wish you could see the gigantic smiles on all your brothers and sisters faces at this moment. Your faith and love in JEHOVAH most surely provided the strength needed to fight this unending battle! The day will be here sooner than we think, no more suffering, fear and pain!
            Much love to you Daisy!!! Better days ahead!!

          • Song of Hannah

            So happy to hear this Daisy! Certainly Jehovah listened to all our prayers concerning you and heard us! James 5:15

      • ewatchman

        So happy to hear the good news. I am feeling all warm and fuzzy too. Stay well.

        • Joseph Stephan

          Thanks for giving her a shout out in one of your podcasts. Because that was the only way we knew what she was facing and was able to pray for her. Otherwise we would have never known, so thank you.

      • KB

        So glad to hear some good news for a change. Awesome!

      • sally

        Oh Daisy so pleased for you! that really is some very good news to hear indeed. I hope you get lots of rest and recuperate properly, you have had a long hard fight there. Much love xx

      • Andres Felipe

        Hola Daisy. ..No sabes cómo me alegra que hallas salido bien de esta dura enfermedad. La verdad Hasta ahora me entero que estabas enferma, pero bastó con las oraciones de todos los hermanos de fe que aquí están. Que jehová te bendiga y te De días felices ???

      • 1914for100Alex

        So happy to hear this Daisy. We’ve all been praying for you and missed seeing you here! 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Such wonderful news, our hearts rejoices with your heart and we pray that Jehovah continue to grant you good health.

        Psalm 34:7
        The angel of Jehovah is camping all around those fearing him, And he rescues them

      • Jamie Mac

        Hey Daisy, so pleased for you.

    • ewatchman

      Burt. I think we might have fixed the problem you were having logging into the new forum. Please try again and see if it is fixed.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Robert, it still won’t let me in. I try to log on, I have entered a new password, but as soon as I do, it tells me it’s not correct, even though it has accepted it. So I’m still disfellowshipped!

  • Victor Field

    How will you know when Satan is removed?

    2 Thes 2:7,,,For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

    This one who is taken out of the way is Satan the Devil,,he has surely been the one who has restrained our vision,..

    Who do you think this is? – Can you see the Disgusting thing? Is the Man of Lawlessness & the Faithful and Discreet Slave standing in a Holy Place? Do you see the connection between the two?

    If you can see this then this time is a time of refreshment for you – Joel 2: 15-19.

    Matt 24:30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

    31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

    • Bklyn Kevin

      What you’re suggesting about the disgusting thing can’t possibly be true and i can prove it to you .

      Daniel said that the disgusting thing would only be in place for 1,290 days So how could it possibly be that the faithful discreet slave / organization be the disgusting thing ???
      when they have been in place much longer than 1.290 days?
      You surely can’t nullify the scriptures.

      And from the time that the constant feature* has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, THERE WELL BE 1,290 days.Daniel 12:

      • Christine Melendez

        Is this number symbolic?

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Well I personally believe that the 1290 days is literal and that’s when the eighth king puts his disgusting thing / political system in place of Jehovah’s incoming kingdom.

          The Mark of the Beast.
          Excerpt:
          By the forward-shining light of Jehovah’s word, we are enabled to peer beyond the now-looming collapse of the present Anglo-American dominated system of things, to envision the revival of the beast in the form of a totalitarian, absolutist form of world government, which will do away with all vestiges of democracy and freedom. After all, the Babylonian king, who typifies the eighth king, was called “the tyrant of the nations.” Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-the-mark-of-the-beast/

      • ELiJAHx7

        The watchtowers “new light” approx 1,290 days ago places the 7 self appointed men aka governing body who are standing in a holy place and acting as a disgusting thing in direct opposition to Jehovah by their blasphemy they have exalted themselves and have set themselves up as kings….Robert has written an article about this move…That begs the question, what is the constant feature? What gets removed so that we may see the disgusting thing? It is wise for us to not jump to suggesting this point is null and void when we have all been led astray by the watchtowers teachings in the past, we had to readjust our thinking, we should never think we know all of Jehovah’s secrets, He reveals them to us and that is a blessing!

        • ELiJAHx7
          • Cocheta

            Rev 13:16-18; “It puts under compulsion all people-the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves-that these should be marked on their right hand or forehead +17 and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. `+18 This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number, and its number is 666”

            Isaiah 35:5 “At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened, And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped.”
            Rev 18: 4 “Get out of her, MY PEOPLE, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues +5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind”

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Is it possible the UN is not the wild beast?
              Excerpt:
              But as regards the United Nations, it is possible that another institution may serve as the eighth king, but it is highly unlikely. For one thing, the prophecy of Daniel indicates that the king of the north and south set up the disgusting thing in advance of the war that will subjugate the king of the south during the time of the end. And the disgusting thing will serve a role similar to ancient Babylon and Assyria – functioning as Jehovah’s executioner. And since the last king springs from the seven the eighth king will be the disgusting thing that brings desolation upon Christ’s congregation.
              Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/is-it-possible-the-un-is-not-the-wild-beast201381is-it-possible-the-un-is-not-the-wild-beastis-it-possible-the-un-is-not-the-wild-beast/

          • sally

            Yes exactly 2012 NOT 2013…October 2012 to be exact…which was 4 years and 4 months ago not 3.5

            • 2013 was the magazine; year filpped over by then

            • sally

              I was making the point that there has been 1583 days since the FDS announcement, not 1290. And I don’t know what filped means.

            • flipped as in year changed (oct/july)

          • Joseph Stephan

            Jehovah’s Witnesses have been seduced and are unaware of the evil that confronts them.

            https://e-watchman.com/the-disgusting-thing-that-causes-desolation/

        • Ed(the other Ed)

          That’s an excellent question E7 one that waits for the answer from the king himself,
          and that king is Robert King. (smile)

          • ELiJAHx7

            Satan has been “consistent” in his deception!

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              No doubt…and it’s weird that only a certain few can read between the lines.

            • ELiJAHx7

              Yes, almost like a chosen few..you are right brother! lol

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              I remember when I first started figuring it out I prayed that I wasn’t anointed.
              I think I’ve been blessed, I was meant to stay here on earth. LOL!

            • ELiJAHx7

              Praise Jehovah for His blessings, I do love the mountains Brother lol

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              I used to paraglide off some of those mountains, what a blast it will be without the terrifying collapses. peace!

          • Cocheta

            1 John 5:21 “Little children, guard yourselves from idols”

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Don’t worry it was just a little Saturday night sarcasm. (wink)

        • Bklyn Kevin

          What Do The Seven Times Mean?.
          Excerpt:
          Another incongruity of interpretation is that Jesus spoke of the appointed times for the nations to trample Jerusalem in context with the disgusting thing standing in a holy place. So, it is evident that the disgusting thing is the same political entity as the collection of nations that are allotted an appointed time to trample God’s holy city, which is made clear in the seventh chapter of Daniel and the 11th chapter of Revelation. Still, though, the Watchtower makes no connection – completely divorcing the appointed times in Luke from its immediate context regarding the desolation of Jerusalem by the disgusting thing – or, the “encamped armies” as it is expressed in Luke. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/seven-times-mean/
          Is the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses the disgusting thing?. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/is-the-governing-body-the-disgusting-thing/

        • heres a question for ya. is the disgusting thing put in place before or after the sword stroke? has the sword stroke happened yet? no.

          “Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.”

          “begs the question”? im going to guess the manufacturing of cars the WT produces. huh its not a automobile manufacturer? humm what could the featured presentation be…

          our worship to Jehovah via daily sacrafices. example: kingdom halls shut down, preaching prohibited, no more printing magazines, door to door work gone, etc…

          currently the constent feature produced by the domain of God’s congragation world wide has not been completely removed, has it? (keep in mind the WT headquarters)

          basicly the 8th NWO their working on is the disgusting thing and yes he [northern king] gives “consideration to those leaving the holy covenant”, that is, those who are anointed. so the congragation is infiltrated, by weed-like agents to dumb down the truth and remove our worship just as happened in the “last hour” with earlier century Christians when those anointed stanting in the way as a restraint were gone, then it was no longer a mystery as we know today that Babylon took over and Christendom was born, (just a new feature of Babylon the Great) which is why God tells his people to get the heck out of her, because it will have been fully taken over by then.

          we know none of the GB who claim to be anointed are part of the board of directors and authority has been delegated to a non-anointed men but as Robert has pointed out, the man of lawlessness must be one who partakes also, claiming to be anointed which in my mind are those leaving the holy covenant, meaning they were in one to begin with.

          what goes on behind closed doors? we dont know everything for sure but soon it wont be a mystery

      • Victor Field

        These are not my words you question, rather the one who i stand by who has the right,Rev 5:11-14
        I stand here before you, with this ones authority.Rev 3:9
        What the Master opens no one can shut, and what he shuts, no one can open. Rev 3:8
        From the start date(March 2013),which is day one,,these days would count up to 1290 days,,We saw this take place during the latter part of 2016.
        The Disgusting thing is set up, he now stands for all those who see it,.
        Dan 12:11,.
        We passed the 1290th day as i stated above,,
        The 1335 day also has come to pass,.
        The one who has been restraining your vision, has also been removed,.Satan has been taken out of the way, he can no longer mislead you,,.2 Thes 2:7,.

        So for those who understand this call,it is the 7th Trumpet call,
        You are part of the 7000 that have come to the realisation of who you are,.Rev11:13,
        Do not be anxious Brothers and Sisters, the door that has been opened to you, also can not be shut,,

        I offer you a refreshment from Jehovah,,Joel 2:15-19

        • ewatchman

          Victor, You are going to have to pack up this rubbish and take it somewhere else. I am not going to play host to this nonsense.

          • Victor Field

            Ok, Robert, I have delivered the message that was given to me, for you and the others that reside here,i will now depart from your site,,it is not my place to be here any more,,It is finished,..Kind regards Victor Field,.

            • ewatchman

              If I had a dollar for every time someone has given me a personal message from God I would have at least a thousand dollars.

            • Cocheta

              “Jehovah will make His majestic voice heard And reveal His arm as it descends in the heat of anger, With the flame of a consuming fire, A cloudburst and a thunderstorms and hailstones” Isaiah 30 :30

              And now I, too, will pack up ‘this rubbish’ as you call it and take it somewhere else. My regards also, Annie

            • ewatchman

              Good idea

            • Beverly kenyon

              Annie, I’ve only just read this post of your’s literally! I don’t know what’s going on and I know your heart is in the right place and you’re still my friend no matter what. Will keep in touch as I don’t want to lose contact.xx

            • oh quit being dumb. you live on a island, how lucky you are when war hits. just keep trusting in Jehovah and hear what his spirit says to the congragations

            • Beverly kenyon

              Awww, don’t say that DA. Cocheta is far from dumb. I still don’t know what’s happening but it looks to me like she has a few different thoughts now and she feels happy about that. I don’t know about living on an island when war hits, at least where you live it’s massive with more room for maneuver DA. I agree with you about keep trusting in Jehovah, which I know for a fact Cocheta will do. I know the most horrific carnage is eventually coming our way but since learning new Bible truths here and from ones like yourself and others, yeah it’s scary but I don’t feel that cold hopeless fear anymore, in fact I feel very peaceful and excited! They say, be careful for what you wish for and that thought ties in with Amos 5:18-20, and I wish for the Kingdom to come soon, very soon like we all pray for.

            • the anointed can only prove in what way they can that they are anointed and those listening to them can only discern whether they are or not by what they can prove also. if you come to the conclusion an satisfied that Robert is anointed, then listen to what Jehovah has provided through whom he has provided and accept it like the noble-minded Bereans

            • Beverly kenyon

              Without doubt DA I believe that Brother King is Anointed. I believe the same of Perimeno. I’m not a creature worshipper, so if you take away the fact they’re anointed I would still trust and believe their writings…it’s reasonable and makes sense. I try not to get involved with personalities, I want to hear what they have to say about the things written in the Bible and how it applies to us in our day and for what’s to come as promised by Jehovah and his Son but I’m like the Ethiopian eunuch, I need it explaining and then I’ll check it out myself, Borean style.

            • i know

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Cocheta, It’s always a good thing to keep oneself in check by asking questions on whatever subject but when a person gets too deep they can take it to another level and never return to the simple things they once learned. I remember a few years back there were a hand full of people here that wound up starting a commune I think in New Zealand, and were never heard from again. I like to keep it as simple as possible and stay focused as much as I can and I think one of the best places to do this is right here. So please don’t twist off and join another cult. Joe “boom boom” Dman had a good comment.

            • Burt Reynolds

              What are you doing? Why are you going? We none of us know more than the other. From Kevin down to me, we all depend on instruction, we all need a teacher. We all have to have a teacher. Do you not ever look at our world from jehovahs standpoint? We are dust on the scales, why, our lofty opinions are are but scum on water, full of ignorance and conjecture. We cannot even understand the enormity of empty space, how much less so can we understand prophesy and all these dates, days, disgusting things….whatever. Annie, please listen. It does not matter if Robert is right or wrong on some issues, or anyone else. It is the individual heart that determines our existence. Jehovah appointed men to speak the truth. If they did not, the stones would cry it out. And what do rocks know about the human condition? Jehovah appointed men to speak truth. That man or men, must therefore be found somewhere. Where? All prophets have shown human weakness at times, or spoken for themselves, but that is not that case here, and even if one were to make a mistake, is that not part of it? Does it detract from the truth? Are we so needful that we need total truth from a man and expect godlike qualities from a man? Surely we will all be dissapointed. Truth comes, not packed in little bundles but in consistency, trust, continuity, love. It is made an imperfect truth, because it comes through the mouth of a man, and it is made an imperfect truth through the ears of the beholder who may not like it because it goes against their own understanding, just like a Lilly of the field crushed underfoot….does it make that flower any less perfect than it was? No. It does not. We made it that way. Why is it that there will be 144,000 men with Christ? Because they WERE men and KNOW as men. And you have to be imperfect to have that balance between the magnificience of Jehovah and the weakness of man. That is what makes loyalty, in spite of this imperfection, something of us worthy to Jehovah.
              I find the chronology of the bible facinating. I enjoy reading about the numbers and days and it makes sense because unlike the watchtower, it is reasonable and reasoned. But to base my faith on these numbers as interpreted by man? No. That the numbers are there is good enough for me to know that the days are limited. The bible assures us stupid ones, that the day of Jehovah will not be delayed. Not one second. It tells us that those who love righteousness for Christ’s sake, will inherit the world, that those who humble themselves for his name’s sake, will not be forgotten and that all who love Jehovah will be saved. I cannot of my own belief, shorten or lengthen those days through my teaching. None that would listen to me would be spared through mere understanding of those days, but it may add to their faith if they could see its application. Days and their number is a kindness to us of Jehovah to strengthen our belief in the coming, but it is not the basis. The basis is love, and it is that love that is expressed here, not through word as much of illustration of that love from the bible. Even then, it is not just the concept of love alone shown here, but how we demonstrate it and reflect it. I would therefore ask you to reconsider and come back please.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Well Kevin, you have to admit some seem pretty disgusting! Anyway, are you saying that they or the organisation form the contant feature? And thus it is from the time that they are removed, exposed, crushed, that we count 1,290 days before the revealing of the disgusting thing? It is all very well for Victor to quote scripture but I need someone to explain it to me! Thanks.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Hello Burt it’s always a pleasure to hear from you – your one of the most down to earth persons I know here on the Internet. Now concerning your question I’m afraid I can’t answer right now cause I barely can see the computer as I am down with the flu and my thinking process is way off. But as soon as I’m up and running I will get an answer for your question than. you.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Get well soon Kevin. Man flu is the worst of all flu. I hope you have someone to nurse you.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          What is the Great Tribulation and Holy Place?.

          Excerpt:
          The sanctuary, fortress and the constant feature, mentioned above, have reference to that which belongs to God – being the central feature of the worship of Jehovah. In other words, the sanctuary and fortress are a holy place to God. The constant feature has to do with the regular sacrifices of praise offered to God in his sanctuary. This is collaborated by Daniel 8:13, which refers to the king of fierce countenance “causing desolation” to the “holy place” and removing the “constant feature.” Daniel 8:13 reads: “How long will the vision be of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?”

          The 8th chapter of Daniel also connects the holy place, the sanctuary and the constant feature with the “Prince of the army,” who is Christ. So, the “putting in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation”is in reference to the sanctuary of Jehovah, of which Christ is both the cornerstone and High priest. Given the similar content and wording of the prophecies of Daniel it should be evident to the discerning reader that the holy place that is destined to come to desolation and be trampled underfoot by the nations for an appointed time is the earthly domain of the holy ones – Christ’s true congregation. https://e-watchman.com/great-tribulation-holy-place/

           
          How long is “the time of the end”?
          Excerpt:
          I don’t know exactly when it came into use, but it is probably something on the order of 40-50 years ago that the Watchtower began using the modified term “deep in the time of the end.” That is because the stand-alone phrase “the time of the end” has lost any relevance. And for that matter, being “deep in the time of the end” has become meaningless as well.

          But the fact is, the time of the end has not begun yet. When it commences the Watchtower will be cut down, like the fruitless tree in Christ’s illustration. Then Jehovah’s Witnesses will have to pass through the fire. Ultimately, though, Christ will pour out God’s spirit on the faithful as never before. Then the final witness will be given to a doomed world.

          But how long is the time of the end? The prophecy of Daniel has the answer: “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days. Happy is the one who keeps
          https://e-watchman.com/how-long-is-the-time-of-the-end/

          However I do like how DA summed it up in one of his recent comments.

          D.A. sports, its in the game ELiJAHx7 3 days ago

          heres a question for ya. is the disgusting thing put in place before or after the sword stroke? has the sword stroke happened yet? no.

          “Furthermore, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.”

          “begs the question”? im going to guess the manufacturing of cars the WT produces. huh its not a automobile manufacturer? humm what could the featured presentation be…

          our worship to Jehovah via daily sacrafices. example: kingdom halls shut down, preaching prohibited, no more printing magazines, door to door work gone, etc…

          currently the constent feature produced by the domain of God’s congragation world wide has not been completely removed, has it? (keep in mind the WT headquarters)

          basically the 8th NWO their working on is the disgusting thing and yes he [northern king] gives “consideration to those leaving the holy covenant”, that is, those who are anointed. so the congragation is infiltrated, by weed-like agents to dumb down the truth and remove our worship just as happened in the “last hour” with earlier century Christians when those anointed stanting in the way as a restraint were gone, then it was no longer a mystery as we know today that Babylon took over and Christendom was born, (just a new feature of Babylon the Great) which is why God tells his people to get the heck out of her, because it will have been fully taken over by then or to the point he isnt going to put up with it and his northern agent is going to bring her down.

          we know none of the GB who claim to be anointed are part of the board of directors and authority has been delegated to non-anointed men but as Robert has pointed out, the man of lawlessness must be one who partakes also, claiming to be anointed which in my mind are those leaving the holy covenant, meaning they were in one to begin with.

          what goes on behind closed doors? we dont know everything for sure but soon it wont be a mystery.

          anyway if i got a wire crossed or off there some, let me know Robert so i can correct it

          • Burt Reynolds

            Thanks Kevin, (and DA SPORTS) for your time in answering me. That makes it all the more clear. I hope you have recovered from flu. I liked the part that DA brings in about the infiltration of those that wish to dumb down the word. We have a recent example unfortunately and that has carried off several through dumbing down the word and drowning it in a sea of complexity of numbers. If Jehovah were to choose a person directly to promulgate his word, he would grant then the convincing eloquence with which to do so, rather than a diatribe of mathematics that causes confusion. Just as Jehovah has said, ‘ do not worry about what you will say (before kings) for it will not be you speaking and I will give you words at the appropriate time…’ Just as he does to you and DA and so many others here in plain speaking.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I totally agree with you Burt when you say about the complexity of numbers. As soon as someone starts to talk ‘spreadsheets’ when explaining things of the Bible that’s when warning signals go off for me as You don’t have to be a maths professor to understand God’s Word once it’s been explained in a common sense and logical way and meditating on what’s being said.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I certainly agree with you. It’s not that I decry chronology it’s just that I am mathematically illiterate. People can work out sums quicker in their heads than I can with the aid of a calculator. That’s why Jehovah elected seers to do the maths for people like me so that we could concentrate on the basics. I’ve worked out thus far that we have 3.5 years of trials and tribulations plus some time after that for the preaching work. But what the clincher will be for me is 1/ am I alive, 2/has the fighting stopped, and 3/, is it safe to come out. If all that applies, I am going to find a lion and see if it will agree to be a pillow for me why I have 40 winks shuteye, and take it all in. Then I really want to get to know Jehovah and the secrets of time and dimensions. ?

            • Beverly kenyon

              DA, that’s hilarious! I love it!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, I’m rubbish at maths too and Jehovah wants us to understand his Word so why present it wrapped up in mathematical riddles. Isn’t Jehovah a Revealer of Secrets? He wants us to know his divine purposes as lives are in involved and a legal case involving sovereignty is to be settled once and for all. I must say Burt, I still laugh out loud at you and your Lion pillow but must admit it does sound blissful, don’t know how the Lion would feel about being someone’s pillow! Somehow Burt, I do have a feeling when the dust settles, that you will get to know Jehovah a lot more and the secrets of time and dimensions which I know fascinate you, so you’re gonna be busy and being awed at such secrets!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              The watchtower in so many words claims that the abomination / disgusting thing made its appearance back 1n 1929 as League of Nations .

              But if that were true then that would mean the disgusting thing only would remained in place for 1,290 days according to the prophecy of Daniel and then all things would have come to pass since the 1,290 days would be the finality – In other words Jehovah Kingdoom should have been here with his son Jesus ruling as King 88 years ago and paradise should have been well underway.

              Well that’s what the watchtower would have you believe according to their absurd chronology.

              Now Burt I found this article concerning the disgusting thing that Robert had wrote a while back to be excellent concerning this subject.

              The Disgusting Thing that Causes Desolation
              https://e-watchman.com/disgusting-thing-causes-desolation/

            • Beverly kenyon

              I’m gonna remember that common sense point Bklyn Kevin! There’s no getting away from it, that point blows that ridiculous teaching of their’s straight out the water! Boom! Can’t wait to tell my friend that little gem! Oh! And hardly any maths involved for dimwits like me!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I beg to differ with you, your no dimwit in fact I read almost all your comments and find them very intelligent and well expressed.

              However on another note if your friend has more questions just provide her/him with this link concerning the matter if at all possible.
              The Disgusting Thing that Causes Desolation
              https://e-watchman.com/disgust

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank you kindly Bklyn Kevin. I tend to express myself as I speak, with a proper Manchester accent so I sometimes don’t come across as I would like. I will definitely be giving my friend/colleague that link. His name is Lee and he’s a super intelligent ex soldier, married with two young children, extremely witty, dry wit, and listens intently to the things I’ve told him about God’s purposes and I don’t know if he’s got a photographic memory but he remembers everything. He’s grasped about God’s Kingdom and about GT and the mark of the beast and he visits EWatchman. We joke that’s he’s been taught the truth the proper way. He knows the full story of my religion warts and all and he knows the reason why but I’ve noticed he likes to read and to told things in small chunks of information. If I’m talking about certain scriptures he’ll say, is that book in the Bible a big book to read or or is that video of Brother King’s long to watch or is that article a big article to read.

            • i speak my own language which is a simple layman language with bad spelling

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Kevin, thanks for the tip re forum. I’ve have got in! Now, how do I start a topic please. I can’t find how to do it! Thanks.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Go to the to the general forum where you will see all the topics and scroll down to the bottom of the page where it will say create a new topic, and just follow the directions

    • Beverly kenyon

      Oh, my goodness Victor, a while ago it was being discussed the thing that was acting as a restraint and the Cocheta a few days ago was emphasising to someone ( can’t remember who), to read 2Thessalonians2 so I read it and noticed the restraint thing again and I thought within the context of what was written, I was sure the thing that acts as a restraint was the Man of Lawlessness himself! Because it can’t be the Anointed as they’re being thrown out of the congregations for speaking out and it it was them well they’re not doing a good job of being a restraint. So I’m surprised at another person thinking the same thought. Also the word restraint has a lot of meanings to it, one being imprisoned.

      • its the lowzy wording that throws ya off. Paul was tired that day. jk

        • Beverly kenyon

          Don’t know what you mean DA. Just after reading that bit of scripture that’s what I felt was being said about the restraint but of course I’m still an amateur and still trying to get my head round lots of things written here on this site…there’s so much to take in!

        • Beverly kenyon

          So the faithful have to be out of the way for the schemefull work of the Lawless One to operate effectively even thought it’s already in operation already. So are the faithful like the wheat in the congregations DA?

          • Joseph Stephan

            In short, the disgusting thing will stand in a holy place when the present system collapses and is replaced by a tyrannical world government, supported initially by organized religion, and the work of Jehovah’s Witnesses is crushed. Whatever remains of the Watchtower then will be subservient to Satan’s kingdom.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thanks for that link Joseph. I’ll give that a read and refresh my mind. But when you look at the shenanigans of the WT/GB through out the years but especially now in our time, the way they’ve elevated themselves to Godlike status, any reasonable thinking person would think they are the Disgusting Thing standing where it shouldn’t.

            • Joseph Stephan

              It might appear to look that way, and Satan is pushing this idea, to suck people in. But I’m not buying it, it’s much much bigger than this, don’t get pulled in sis ❤
              Apparently, then, the disgusting thing standing in a holy place will serve as a signal for Jehovah’s people to abandon the Watchtower Society; as it will have served its purpose by then. How? Why? When? Where?—those questions are perhaps unanswerable and even unimportant at the present time. What is important is to recognize that serving Jehovah as his witnesses carries with it an enormous responsibility and God’s servants must accept whatever Jehovah permits.

              https://e-watchman.com/reader-use-discernment/

            • Beverly kenyon

              Actually Joseph, until it was brought up that point wasn’t something I was focusing on much. I saw all the debate and things that were said about it, Bklyn Kevin’s comments on it being reasonable and just thought I’m gonna wait and see on that one as I think that bit isn’t round the corner as opposed to what’s gonna happen before. But I haven’t got a closed mind and will listen to people’s opinions especially to ones I already know. All I know is that all the things written in the Bible about the end of this system will happen. Thanks to Brother King and ones on this site I know a lot more about the when and the how and major players but not completely in what order as I’m trying to understand that bit. I know a lot more about time frames as well. But trust me Joseph, I will respect someone’s views and listen to them and give it some thought but nothing sway me from what I believe now, even though yes, the GB/WT does come across as let’s say, A disgusting thing and not THE Disgusting Thing! I might not be the cleverest or scripture but I’m very street smart and I control my own mind, that’s one of the reason I left the org, because apart from being unhappy while I was in, I knew and sensed it wasn’t ‘kosher’ it wasn’t right, something was off and that feeling was suffocating. So now I will not be shaken from my reason or reasoning. But thank you Joseph for looking out for me. I appreciate that.

            • Joseph Stephan

              I totally agree, look at everything, follow every lead, give people the benefit of the doubt and most importantly follow your heart.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Think I’ll follow my head and a little bit of my heart. Lol. But I’m still going to be Cocheta’s friend as I think a lot of her also we share the same sort of humour. And I don’t want her to feel alone. Somehow. I feel things will work out okay.

            • Joseph Stephan

              She’s a sweetheart, things will work out!

            • Beverly kenyon

              It will Joseph.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Robert I thought I heard you mention that your book Jehovah himself has become king was translated into Italian however I did search for it and I did not find it in Italian
              so it’s my guess I’m probably wrong but just in case I thought I’d ask thank you.

            • their connected, so thats partially correct

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yay, I got it half right. Nice one!

            • thats a good way to say it in short

            • Beverly kenyon

              I will do that DA.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Forgot to say as well DA,move got loads of homework off you and Joseph.lol. Think I’ve read those two pieces but it’ll be good to go over them again. Thanks.

            • its worth reading several times. one of my fav too

  • Joe Dman

    Hey everyone. First off, Daisy, I’m super happy that you have received news that you are cancer free. What a joy and relief that must be, not to have to go through those treatments anymore.
    I’m trying to catch up on what’s going on here. I’m kind of like Robert on the podcasts. My intentions are to stay caught up, but there is so much going on that something takes me from it.
    I noticed a rift forming with a few members on this site. I don’t frequent other sites much anymore either, but when I come across something interesting that grabs my attention, I’ll examine it. The issue with the FDS and that article of the wise and foolish virgins. I believe they claimed to be able to see things as though face to face. My doubts were forming, again, as to the legitimacy of the roll of the org. Right on time I was presented with another view. I ran in to a Philadelphian. There are many offshoots of that belief, but before I knew what religion he represented, (I had ran in to him while working) we were talking religion and I almost thought I was talking to another JW. It was amazing how much our beliefs had in common. But as the conversation progressed, it became clear the differences. Curiosity got tome, but with the help of others, we looked in to it like a good Barean would. After dismissing it, it seems like I gained more insight into real truths. This has happened on other issues as well. I’m beginning to see a pattern. We will be presented with a very alluring alternative belief, thought or idea. If we are not taken in by it, then we move on with the real truth being made more sure. This pattern has been happening all my life. First when I left the “truth”, then when I made efforts to come back. Indecently that’s when I began understanding ttatt, mostly from Robert. That’s also when the feel good new age religion was presented to me by a very enchanting woman. So as it goes, whenever doubt comes along, that’s the cue for an alternative belief, usually closely related to the doubt, to be presented.
    I’m very concerned that is what is going on in this present time here. Some of us who are curious as to what we perceive are deeper things of scripture are more susceptible to alternatives or false revelations. Of course I’m curious as to what Victor has said. From what I’ve read thus far, I’m very concerned. But the one thing I’ve learned is not to be taken in too quickly. If it is from God, it will become apparent. Didn’t a high priest say something to the effect that if it is from God, it won’t be overturned, otherwise it will fade. Time will tell. So rather than be at the front of the line on a new understanding or revelation, wouldn’t jumping on midway through or toward the end get us to the same place. The thing about the Philadelphian, urgency was presented. There’s not much time, you must come along now.
    The one thing I am sure of, if we let other ideas fill in where our reading of the bible should be, we will be presented with alternative thoughts. The scriptures should dominate our means of searching for Jehovah. There’s not a point that we can cut back and relax because we have finally come to know Jehovah. Currently I’m reading on up on giants and the illuminati. It’s interesting but it won’t dominate or alter my belief in what the bible says. But I’ll be able to refute wrong understandings on the issue. Gotta go. See y’all in another month or so.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Lovely to see you back here Joe. I missed you.

      • Joe Dman

        Thanks Burt. I do lurk. Just been busy reading. I’m sure glad to see y’all are busy in this teaching and upholding work.

  • Joseph Stephan

    I would like to welcome OMG from the guest book , welcome welcome, you are with like minded people who are looking for Jehovah’s love and kindness in these last days along with lots of answers! Pull up a chair and enjoy the fellowship. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e67d57f91177234e3e20808fb970dcce2f1ab42d772d54931878161a78644a08.jpg

    Were the only thing overlapping here is the table cloth ?

    • Burt Reynolds

      Never mind the table, look at the library!

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Hehe…yes that is truly the fine food we enjoy here..every word from Jehovah our heavenly father..lets eat with great lust and put some in a doggybag to share with all the hungry ones that we know of…bon apetit my brother

  • Arvid Fløysand

    Welcome OMG
    “But who ever does what is true comes to the ligth…..”joh 3:21
    Please take a seat at the wonderful table with plenty of spiritual food…eat with us and get stronger…we all know hard times still ahead…you are not alone,we all struggle but we relay on Jehova and continue to fight for Him and our glorious King Jesus…Jesus know all by heart and He wont let anyone of his loyal servants behind..he even pick up those who get badly hurt and carry them along just like he so beautiful illustrated with the good samaritan (Luk.10)( ps.there are others on this site with similar background as you :-))
    Brotherly affection from Arvid

  • Arvid Fløysand

    “I am giving you a new commandment,that you LOVE one another,just as i have LOVED you,you also LOVE one another.
    By this all will know that you are my disciples-if you have LOVE among yourselves ” Joh.13:34,35

    • Beverly kenyon

      Another great scripture about Love is 1Cor13:1-8 Arvid. Also like that little clue (nod, nod, wink, wink) Arvid that you mentioned in your post to OMG about being in Bethel. Your secret is safe with us!

      • Arvid Fløysand

        YES indeed …1cor 13 is very important too..good reminder for us to stay humble..who are we anyway? mere dust..only value in our life is this Godgiven love that can connect us to each other and directly to Jehovah by Christ 🙂 …fantastic is Jehovahs grace…hang in there sister

        • Beverly kenyon

          That beautiful Arvid…Jehovah’s Grace. I prefer that term, Grace instead of ‘undeserved kindness’ as that makes Jehovah comes across as aloof and distant, unapproachable. We should never think too much of ourselves as yes, we’re only dust, star dust I think!

  • Arvid Fløysand

    Joh.13:34,35 🙂

  • Francis Bencharles

    The Anglo-American world power are represented by the two feet of the image of Daniel 2 as they are the last of the world powers represented in that image that also represent the end of the Nation State system. The globalist’s are not happy with the going’s on of Anglo-America under the direction of President Trump or Prime Minister May and her Brexit “nonsense”. They will teach them both a lesson shortly for their disobedience and independent spirit. You must read the verses of Daniel 2 without prejudice to get the truth of what is being said. Each of these “sections” of this image represent “administrations” of mankind at certain times and in certain places on the earth. At the time that we are living the earth is cheifly administered by the Anglo-American power, but that is all going to change quite soon. In order for this to happen, the Anglo-American world power must be destroyed a swept from power in a swift fashion.

    But, since many of the people who are currently in power want to be and will be a part of the next world power spoken about in Daniel 7 (the fourth beast), they must destroy Anglo-America (one of the heads that appears to have been destroyed but comes to life again). This will be a false flag destruction that will be modeled after 911 but will be much, much bigger because it will bring about the destruction of not only Anglo-America but the entire Nation-State system. The image of Daniel 2 represents that Nation-State system. Remember, the fourth beast of Daniel that stands up when the image is destroyed

    “This is what he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it.” Daniel 7:23. The fourth kingdom will not be just another “Nation-State” system that exercises theretical control over the earth. This is a worldwide power “literally”.

    The “stone” of Daniel has two fulfillments. One comes from the mountain of the Nation-State system as the false flag that brings down the “current” administration so that they (the members of the stone) can give life to the “image of the beast”. The beast is the U.N. but the image of the beast is the Son of the U.N. that is ready in the wings and just waiting for the Nation-State system to be destroyed so that they can take over the administration of the “whole earth” as Daniel 2:35. I know you think that the stone that destroys the Nation-State system of the image of Daniel 2 is the Kingdom of God. But look closer at Daniel 2 and try not to be overly influenced by the Watchtower thinking which is often skewed and which you have been taught for years

    God’s Kingdom will also destroy and set up a Kingdom that will not be passed on to any other people but it is not the Nation-State system represented by the image of Daniel 2 that will signal that takeover. No, the Kingdom of God will wait until after the Nation-State system is destroyed and will as we are informed in Daniel 7 destroy the fourth Beast of Daniel 7 that will be an actual Kingdom over the whole earth.

    ” “This is what he said: ‘As for the fourth beast (which is the one that comes to power after the destruction of the Nation-State system), there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth. It will be “different” from all the other kingdoms (of Daniel 2), and it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it.+ 24 As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom (same as the ten kings of Revelation 17:12); and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings.+ 25 He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+ 26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+
    27 “‘And the kingdom and the ruler-ship and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,+ and all ruler-ships will serve and obey them.’
    28 “This is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts alarmed me greatly, so that I turned pale;* but I kept the matter in my own heart.” First the Nation-State system is destroyed by the perpetrators of the fourth beast of Daniel 4 who are also now a part of Anglo-America (false flag kind of stone), then God’s Kingdom will immediately destroy this fourth beast and set up his Kingdom under his rulership by Christ. Look for the false flag event which will probably include the destruction of New York and London. They must give the independence seekers a big spanking. Bad kids!

  • Francis Bencharles

    All they have to do is pull the rug out from under the Western Banking System led by the FED and the BOE and it’s all she wrote. The Nation State system is cap-put. The Eastern Nations (where the fourth beast of Daniel 4 will surface from, the image of the beast) already have their own banking system ready as well as an international clearing house for international financial transactions already in place just waiting for the fall of king dollar like the fall of king pound 70 years earlier. The eastern system will be a gold, silver and commodity backed currency though, not fiat. Without money the armies and air forces of the lion and the eagle of Daniel 7 will fall from the sky and will walk on the earth “with the heart of a man” (Satan in another fulfillment of this same scripture). The f-35 project is the biggest disaster in U.S. Military History and the rest of their airforce can hardly stay in the air for lack of parts and the trained manpower to keep them there. (Obama saw to that). Do not put your trust in man. Trust only in Jehovah. That includes the goldent calf that calls itself the “governing body” and “faithful and discrete slave”. Don’t put your trust in them either.

  • Francis Bencharles

    Satan is now on the earth (you wouldn’t understand the explanation as to how I know, so I won’t waste your time trying to explain). You will know it when you see the fruit age of his plan for mankind, which is not good by any stretch of the imagination. The problem for Satan is that he does not currently have angelic powers but has the “heart of a man” as said in Daniel 7. He does not have the abilities that he had when he was angelic in heaven. That is why he has taken the steps of installing an ever present security state on earth. so that when he was confined on the earth as a man he would still be able to monitor the earth. Not as well as when he was an angel but well enough for his purposes. I suspect his political model will look a lot more like the totalitarian regime of the Chinese than the masquerade of the “freedom” of the United States. The reason that his actions are not instantly after his ejection from heaven is that being in the body of a man (like the demon-possessed men of Jesus time) it takes him time to set things up and communicate in a very rudimentary level with his demons (who are also bound to the earth as men). No doubt Satan has possessed a person who holds genuine power in this system of things and his demons have done the same. But although they are in positions of power and influence they are now “human” in every sense of the word. It takes time to plan atrocities, real or false flag. You will know it when you see it. When you see it listen for Jesus voice calling you out of Babylon, but be careful and only follow the voice of the Master. Hope you can recognize it, you have been following the voice of Baal if you are still in the Watchtower and are maybe worse of if you are not.

    • Jamie Mac

      Hi , I for one am very glad that you decided not to waste your time by explaining how Satan is now on earth. I am sure you mean well.

      • ewatchman

        You never know, maybe they hooked up ;~)

    • please add a pink unicorn to your story. needs more unicorn

    • e.v.g

      Nahh!!! You’re kidding, right?

    • Joseph Stephan

      Some people do have it all figured out………

      For the rest, it is best to let us find out on our own that we don’t. It usually happens very quickly………..

  • Kjetil Stokka

    The angel tell Daniel when we know Satan is cast down. When all religions is destroyed.

    Daniel 12:11New International Version (NIV)

    11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

    Revelation 12:6New International Version (NIV)

    6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

    Revelation 12:12New International Version (NIV)

    12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
    But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
    He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short.”

  • Kjetil Stokka

    1260 devil days ?

    • Beverly kenyon

      1260 devil days… I like that Kjetil.!

  • Kjetil Stokka

    ???

  • Francis Bencharles

    The Watchtower is the spiritual fulfillment of the seven headed, ten horned wild beast of Revelation. At this point in time they are seven-headed in two ways. There are “seven heads” on the beast that they call the governing body. Also, their organizational structure (if you count the governing body members as a committee contains “seven” committee’s directing “God’s Work” world wide. And they do this directing of God’s Work through seven committees and ten zones.

  • Marc Tilley

    Does the Anglo American system crash prior to, and act as a catalyst to, World War 3?

    Or does the Anglo American system crash due to a World War?

    I’m presuming that this ‘enraged beast’ doesn’t enter the scene until after a World War, when the world is in turmoil?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The Hour of Test Coming Upon the World.
      Excerpt:
      So what is “the hour of test” that is coming upon the entire world? The hour must coincide with the symbolic one-hour that the eighth king will rule the world. Prior to that, though, the present Anglo-American economic and political system must collapse. It is already in the beginning stages, only being staved off by financial fraud on a massive scale. But in the immediate future, during a time of global war, famine and pestilence, the whole system will crash – plunging a carefree society into a dog-eat-dog frenzy for survival.

      But the Anglo-American beast will make a seemingly miraculous recovery, symbolized in Revelation as the healing of the death-stroke upon the head of the seven-headed beast. In that same chapter a two-horned beast arises up from the earth and gives the command for an image of the beast to be made. This pictures the Anglo-American duo returning, rising up from the earth as if coming out of the grave.

      But in that post-crash world the lamb-like two-horned beast will begin speaking as a dragon. In other words, the beast will be an absolute tyrant – like Satan, the dragon. The world will be subjected to a genocidal monster that will liquidate a vast portion of the population. “The hour of test” will no doubt involve some sort of coercive campaign to force Christians into compromising their faith. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/hour-of-test-coming-upon-the-world/

      Also read>

      A Detailed Summary of the Time of the End.
      https://e-watchman.com/a-detailed-summary/

      The Kings of the North and South .
      https://e-watchman.com/kings-north-south/

      • Marc Tilley

        Thanks Kevin.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          You’re welcome, and if you ever need assistance in the future please feel free to ask me or anyone else as we would be very happy to help .

  • Peter and James and John and Andrew began to ask him privately: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are destined to come to a conclusion?”

    then Jesus asked them: do you know when Nebuchadnezzar sacked Jerusalem?

    they replied: yeah in 607

    then Jesus asked: do you know for how long Nebuchadnezzar went crazy?

    they replied: yeah, seven times.

    then Jesus said: turn 7 times into 2,520 times as in years.

    they said: why that many years?

    he said: because Daniel was told about three and a half years so just do it and count that from 607.

    they said: oh so 1914?

    he said: no! read Matthew 24:36 and stop
    counting crap

    the end

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