Then it will be face-to-face

//Then it will be face-to-face

Commentary on the Daily Text of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Thursday, November 30

I rejoiced before him all the time.Prov. 8:30.

Jesus joyfully worked alongside his Father, rejoicing both in what he accomplished and in the knowledge that Jehovah was fond of him. What, though, about us? Jesus said that there is happiness both in giving and in receiving. It brought us joy to receive the truth, and it brings us joy to share the truth with others. As we share Bible truths with others, we see spiritually hungry ones filled with delight as they begin to understand and appreciate our God and the precious truths contained in his Word. It touches our heart to see them make changes not just in their thinking but also in their way of life. We realize that the work of sharing the good news is vitally important. It opens the way to everlasting life for those who become reconciled to God. What more joyful, satisfying work could we engage in than that of helping people chart a course that will result in their living forever?

There is no doubt in my mind that Jehovah’s Witnesses have the truth —in a relative sense anyway. When we consider the colossal falsity of what is taught by the mainline church systems and how over the centuries the Catholic, Orthodox and Anglican churches persecuted truth seekers and Bible translators and publishers, it is nothing short of miraculous that a tiny group of Bible Students emerged in the late 19th century and began a truth publishing campaign that continues to the present.

While there is no substitute for knowing the basic truth —call it the core Bible doctrine —such knowledge, while essential, is not complete. Paul spoke of the gifts of the spirit, the gift of speaking in tongues, the gift of prophecy and so-on, but even with those miraculous powers the inspired prophet said of anointed Christians: “For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known.” — 1 Corinthians 13:9-12

What was Paul referring to when he said “when what is complete comes”? Some —including the Watchtower —have suggested that Paul was referring to the complete collection of little books that make up the Bible. (See Feb 15, 2005, WT under subheading Why Certain Miracles No Longer Occur)

Admittedly, Paul himself did not survive to that day —having been executed in Rome before his fellow apostle, the aged John, wrote his gospel account, three epistles and the Apocalypse, thus concluding the writings that make up the complete word of God.

But if that were true, if the completed Bible is that which was prophesied to come, in what sense do we now see it face-to-face? And how is it that we are accurately known by it? That is nonsensical. We cannot be known by a book. It should be obvious Paul was speaking about the coming of Christ —not the coming of the complete Bible.

Even though we can consider the Bible to be perfect —in the sense of being complete —so that the man of God may be completely equipped for every good work, still, even a thorough knowledge of its contents only equips us with partial knowledge. That is why, for example, the angel commanded Daniel to seal up the book bearing his name until the time of the end, when the true knowledge will become abundant. (Daniel 12:4) It is not that the prophecy is literally sealed, only that it will not be completely understood until the time of the end.

In line with Paul’s illustration, even peering into the Bible we are still seeing only a hazy outline, as if gazing in a polished metal mirror and seeing our somewhat blurry reflection. The arrival of that which is complete has to do with the coming of Jesus Christ. Is he not the A to Z —the beginning and the end of Jehovah’s grand purpose? He surely is.

The book of Revelation foretells the consummation of Christianity this way: “Now when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write, but I heard a voice out of heaven say: ‘Seal up the things the seven thunders spoke, and do not write them down.’ The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, and he swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it: ‘There will be no delay any longer. But in the days when the seventh angel is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret that God declared as good news to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.’”

According to John’s revelation, the sacred secret is brought to a finish immediately prior to the blowing of the seventh trumpet. Surely, contrary to the Watchtower’s Grand Climax commentary, the good news has not been brought to a finish yet. Certainly not in 1914, 1918 or any time since then.

To be sure, the future coming of Christ will bring about the completion of the work Jesus assigned to his followers; namely, preaching the good news of the coming Kingdom. But once the Kingdom comes there is no longer any need to preach and teach and make disciples. Paul intimated this very thing when he explained to the Corinthians that their partaking of the Evening Meal was a proclamation of “the death of the Lord, until he comes” —meaning, that, when the Lord comes the annual observance of the death of the Lord is concluded.

It is paradoxical, that the modern truth-bearers are also laboring under a deluding influence. At some point in the future, when that which is complete arrives, Jehovah’s Witnesses, with their blinded eyes fully opened then, will look back to now and marvel at how the Watchtower was the source of the biggest hoax that has ever been perpetrated. The paradox is, of course, that Jehovah’s Witnesses could have the truth and yet believe the lie. But it is God’s will that Satan be allowed to perform his operation of error —using all his deceptive powers —in order that those who continue to believe the lie after that which is complete arrives may be judged because they did not accept the love of the truth.

As regards seeing face-to-face, Paul was speaking of seeing Jesus. And obviously, Jesus knows us as we are. Then, though, the chosen ones will know Jesus as he is —meaning, they will know him completely. Not only that, they will be like him. The apostle John explained it this way: “Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.” —1 John 3:2

The apostle John was confirming what Paul wrote concerning partial knowledge. When Jesus is manifest to them, only then will anointed Christians “see him just as he is” —that is to say: “face-to-face.”

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2017-11-30T17:14:30+00:00 November 30th, 2017|Commentary|82 Comments
  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Hey watchtower governing body go and get a bible study with Robert king atleast you will know the truth.

    • I have offered. They’re not interested. lol

      • into the light

        Did you ever have a scriptural conversation with any of them? I wonder if it’s even possible to do so if you’re not a part of the upper echelons of the org…

        • I did once, back in the late 90’s. I called Bethel and asked to talk with a specific individual. They put the call through and we talked for about 15 minutes. I tried reasoning with him on the book of Joel. He wouldn’t have any of it. Shut me down and said if Jehovah wanted them to know anything he would reveal it to them directly.

          • into the light

            You know what I find funny… They say how when they get together they function as a GB and spirit reveals truths to them. Kinda like power rangers when they unite powers lol. But individually they are just like regular people and can’t come up with new light on their own…

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi ITL

              Yeah, whenever they do come up with new light, it just distorts even further the lie they have fashioned over the years, namely 1914. To think, that was the very reason I became involved as the subject had me spellbound. I suspect the 1914 issue had the same effect on many more people, especially back in the 80’s when it may have been a little more plausible. The first interested person I witnessed too was just the same, he wanted to know everything pertaining to 1914.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Your comment made me think about new light and its source. The bible says that Satan keeps changing himself into an angel of light….perhaps each new change brings the new light the governing body have! Jehovah is constant. No new light. The light has always been on.

            • J.M.J.

              I was talking to an elder recently ,and I said the operation of error is a test of your love of the truth and of JEHOVAH and Jesus .That many will be shaken . He replied I will never be shaken . I said another man said that and before the cock crowed he had done it several times . He went red and stuttered and huffed .

            • The Raven

              Very good reply. Folks need to be reminded of the experiences of those first followers repeatedly. They walked with the Divine and look what happened.

            • into the light

              Lately, the “new light” feels like strobe light to me. The frequency of flashing is ever increasing and its effects are nauseating. I never really cared about 1914 too much, I accepted it at face value. My doubts started when I found out about Beth Sarim and the vague answer I got when I questioned it. Naturally that led to more questions which I didn’t get the satisfactory answer to, so I started doing my own research and that’s when the flood gates opened. Eventually I stumbled upon this and couple other sites and that’s when things started to make sense. We need to approach the truth with open mind and let it lead us where it may instead of expecting to arrive at preconceptions to validate our beliefs.

            • The Raven

              I wouldn’t let it get to me. You already know what’s at work with the leadership there and you can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out their convoluted explanations for anything prophetic. I don’t even know what’s what with them if it weren’t for the fact that Robert keeps up with it. Most of what he is doing is geared towards undoing and setting straight their errors and lies. In the course of studying that work I’ve learned what I was after all along having rejected their views immediately. I learned the actual truth about the full spectrum of prophecy, not just what pertains to them. That’s one thing I was grateful to find this site for.

            • into the light

              To tell you the truth, I don’t even try to figure it out. It is becoming more and more obvious that their goal is to establish themselves as the absolute authority over god’s people. You just need to read the weekly WT study to see it. I mean there is good stuff in there, too, but ultimately it’s like a mixed bag. You need to pick and choose.

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Remeberrrrrrrrrrrrrr! The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. Paragraph 12 FEB:2017 issue under the subheading “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE? But individually they are just like not regular people they can even commit sin such as governing body member Brothers Ewart Charles Chitty, Leo Greenless and Precy Chapman were themselves involved in child sex abuse, homosexually and sodomy.

              That is why the Watchtower magazine dated Jan 1st 1986 page 13 acknowledged through a message: “Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah’s organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting.” (w86 1/1 p.13).

              But were they punished or dis-fellowshipped like a common poor publisher or even a pioneer or an elder? That is to say was Ewart Chitty, Leo Greenlees, or Percy Chapman treated to the same measure of rigor and firmness in the “eradication of evil” among the People of God? No!! They have been living under the care of the Mother of the Organization and have never really suffered the consequences of their actions. The Executive Body effectively cared for their comfort, and their debauchery has so far been hidden behind an umbrella of silence. Thereby showing the attitude of tolerating Jezebel influence.

          • Ken Rosenberg

            That is like the story of the fool who fell in the sea, and a boat comes by to save him, but he says he doesn’t need help because God will save him, then he drowns. In Heaven, he asks Jehovah why he didn’t try to save him, Jehovah says he did, he sent him a rescue boat.

            • Jamie Mac

              Like it 🙂

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              Super analogy that is GB = Fool

          • Craig Knight

            Well we are all very glad you did! I wonder how Jehovah reveals anything to them since they are not inspired?

            • Apple Pi

              Hi Craig, I think the catalyst for ‘new light’ is because the GB are reacting to criticism from outsiders and/or those inside who write to Bethel. Once the voice of the critics gets to a certain level, it’s like they feel backed into a corner and have to come up with the ‘new light.’

    • Island Breeze

      Greetings,
      I see our future UN world leader made his way over to India recently.

      https://youtu.be/5Re5DlG2BpE

      • The Raven

        He’s itching for that job. But the list of potential tyrants is long. Let’s see who crawls out of the bunkers afterwards.

      • Jamie Mac

        I thought we had heard the last from him. Wonder what Michelle will whisper in his ear when everyone salutes the NWO flag or whatever vulgar thing it may be.It could be something like, ‘All this for Satan’

        • Island Breeze

          YEAH, we haven’t seen the last of him I’m sure.

  • Craig Knight

    What was Paul referring to when he said “when what is complete comes”? Some —including the Watchtower —have suggested that Paul was referring to the complete collection of little books that make up the Bible.

    I remember teaching this WT interpretation to people and still thought it was true until I just read your article. Once again thank you Robert for making sense of this. Many people have the complete Bible but have no clue what is coming upon this world and most are nationalistic and do not even know God’s name or his purpose.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Yeah brother that’s true of you.

    • The Raven

      Hi, Craig how are you doing?

      • Craig Knight

        Hi Raven! I’m doing very well and I hope you are as well. I took a long vacation to Oregon and about the same time my laptop bit the dust. (Planned obsolescence!) I bought a new one but I put in a new password and then I forgot it! Another senior moment – Ha ha! Anyway I shipped it out to Dell for repair. That’s why I haven’t been on the forum much lately. I’m using my work computer for now but I’m going thru withdrawals not being here and reading on my laptop in the morning and evenings.

    • Burt Reynolds

      You are right on the button with that one Craig. I had a bible when I was a witness and I thought I used it, but I didn’t really have a clue. I simply opened it where I was told to open it, and on the ministry, did the same process with the interested ones. I recall reading the book of Mathew from beginning to end once off my own bat, and sensing the significance, but not a trace of meaning. Just an emotive uplift of the sort one got at the Kingdom Hall on occasion when there was an interesting talk, but that had dissolved by the time I got home! I think my time as a witness must have be an outstanding example of blindness.

      • Craig Knight

        Burt Hi! – Yes it’s so sad that we gave our complete trust to men thinking that nothing they said could be wrong because they had the unquestionable truth. JW’s feel that they are in God’s little pocket all safe and secure with a hint of arrogance. They will be humbled as things unfold and I guess all we can do is pray for them not to fall and leave Jehovah.

  • Yuri Fisher

    I am sure GB know and use Robert King site. They use it for studying and deep things of God. Just like Nicodemus new that Jesus is true messiah. But they will never confess that Robert King is right. They prevent brothers valuable information and this way they keep organizations in the dark. How cruel it is. Only few read this site. All who follow GB now will be eliminated by coming Jesus. GB now is an idol. Cruel idol that prevent salvation from JW. Only after Jesus punish this organization and cleaning it only then who will follow true anointed will be saved. We must all be careful and not to listen now to GB propaganda. We can take good things from WT organization and reject the bad. It is so simple. May Jehovah bring end to GB propaganda about 1914 and other things.

    • Jamie Mac

      Hi Yuri

      If we could only prove that some of the GB use this site for reference. Now that would be something remarkable. One thing is certain, if they do use this site they definitely would not let the other sheep know.

      • The Raven

        If they know and squeal they’re done. If some had that knowledge and knew what was coming , knowing they could not trust the others they would be quiet and wait for the time to speak. They’re still in for a heck of a beating but we know some will survive the correction. Some will not. Christ knows who.

      • Burt Reynolds

        I read other sites to get a consensus of opinion as to what is happening in the watchtower. From these, the responses from the watchtower in trying to close these sites down are significant enough to show that they have, if nothing else, a dedicated lawyer scrutinising them with the aim of finding a lawful reason to close them down. But their lawyers have enough to do and will only work under instruction, and thus it is reasonable to assume that those of the governing body issue the instructions. I cannot imagine that there are many in bethel that have the will to search for themselves, standing to lose their home, support, friends and family….even if they are aware of what is going on! I think that the only reason this site does not get a squeek out of watchtower is that the bible is irrifutable and they know it.

        • Jamie Mac

          Very true Burt, especially that last sentence. My response to Yuri really was a tongue in cheek reply, but I wonder if any of them have taken a sneaky look.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I’m sure they have been looking at all of the ‘apostate’ sites, including that of the Apostate General. They are weak and uncertain. They fear for their lives. They are being exposed. They know the gravy train is drawing into the station. They have nothing more to give….this us why they go back to creating a sense of urgency as it requires no fact. They are losing their power over the flock. They fear the rule of law, not from God, yet, but from man. Mecklenburgh beckons, and they have a vague sense of being given a room on death row.

            • The Raven

              That’s pretty much it.

      • Yuri Fisher

        Dear Jamie
        I am sure that GB uses information from this site because some of their teachings come from Robert King book. Like teaching about legs of big statue in Daniel chapter 2. I read first from Robert King book about iron and clay interpretation and then GB changed their teaching exactly as we read in Robert King book. It is shows that they read and study the book but prevent others from reading it. How terrible from their side.

    • trudy

      Yes ..its funny because the jw I am speaking to is defending every lie they tell ..its amazing even with facts of the mags and doctrines she refuse the truth of the lies that are told .

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Robert.
    Question.
    Are there any scriptural reference as to why some of us are having our minds opened prematurely before the return of Christ, if not. then why are our minds Awakening? And why is it allowed to happen? Thank you

    • The Raven

      That’s a good question and we’ve wondered about it. I think Jehovah may have some use for some of us yet but I also think we need to be extremely careful about how we treat those who are not aware or have become enemies. That may be a part of our test as well. I truly don’t see how knowing this can place us in an approved state. Maybe what we do with it when the time comes will factor in. In my opinion each of us are tested according to our hearts and faith. Knowing and helping others could be Jehovah’s task for us. It’s an intriguing question.

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Jesus spoke of sheep that were not of this fold, im not certain he was just refering these sheep to the great crowd m, if not, then who are they? Jesus once told his apostles to leave some of the people alone who were expelling demons and teaching in his name and to let them be.why? If they were doing a great wrong then why were they allowed to continue and not rebuked? I’m not saying that those of us who are Awakening are part of that group, I’m asking this because many of us we’re seeing or Awakening prior to finding Robert site

        • The Raven

          I don’t think anyone knows for certain. As far as those expelling demons and such, I have not seen yet…how that may apply to the end. Maybe it does. As to the flocks, as far as I know there are the anointed and those who will become the great crowd. I agree, I am one who never accepted the false teachings and was never baptised. But… I cannot as of yet understand how this will transpire. Robert has mentioned that he would hope there were at least one in each congregation that knows the truth. Maybe he can give us all some more insight on this matter.

          • The Raven

            Looks like you edited so I’ll answer about the sheepfold also. Yes I know about it and it may also have significance after the collapse of the org. Remains to be seen but I find it interesting.

        • The Raven

          Here’s what I do know for certain: at the final hour you are either a sheep or a goat.

          • Burt Reynolds

            No brothers with goatee beards allowed!

            • Joe Dman

              Funny thing Burt. A couple months ago my family and I went to a meeting and I had my goatee going on. I look up to see a couple of the elders looking at me, one with his fingers on his chin, as though they were scheming a way to do away with me.
              Oh well.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Blimey Joe, it’s a wonder they didn’t call the police to you.

            • KB

              Wear it proudly brother. I love pissing them off with my beard. For some reason it makes them lose their mind. Good to hear from you too joe.

            • Jamie Mac

              It’s kinda ironic that those who realise what is going on during the GT wont get anywhere near a razor for some time.

            • KB

              My story is a little unique. I had to grow a bread for medical reasons which was sweet because I always wanted one anyway. The attitude of the elders was typical since the organization is basically nothing but rules established by a tradition of man. Yet the Bible says at Mark 7:8 You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men. I googled why do Jehovah’s Witnesses not have beards, and an article Robert King had written came up. That article lead to me reading other articles he had written. I’ve been here ever since. Pretty sure Jehovah’s hand was involved somehow.

            • Jamie Mac

              glad you stuck around KB.

            • trudy

              They don’t like the hair Bear bunch! KB that’s a close shave pissing them off …Well maybe instead of being window cleaners maybe deep ,deep down they want to be barbars! But the watchtower said “No you can’t get further education or training the end is near “.You know what he funny jw s need to start wearing designer tach twisting the ends ha ha .

            • trudy

              The truth is that the watchtower has funds in bic shavers!!! that’s why they says shave ..I knew there was something whey this shaving beards off ..

            • Island Breeze
            • KB

              Lol. That’s awesome. Had to watch it again, it never gets old.

            • Island Breeze

              So Accurate , that’s what makes it so funny! I had to watch again myself!! Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha

            • Daisy

              A moustache is a beard fraction lol…love it! Very funny.
              Thanks Joseph ( and Trudy for introducing us to Lego land’s sense of humour. 😉

            • Island Breeze

              Glad you enjoyed, I’m guessing that it’s different in other parts of the world.
              But over here in the land of the indebted and home of https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0281b074421e0f375c73087c14c1a00e2e900defbf0bf030c068f77cad50658b.jpg bankers slaves. You not allowed to have a beard ( only fractions)
              Unless of course your great grandma died and left a fortune to the watchtower, then and only than can you have a beard! Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha!

            • Anderiega

              Oh dear!!!!! That was funny….all the suppressed talents that we used to share IN the congregation (like family fun night we’d have annually when I was a kid) that people who are leaving are now showcasing on YouTube. It’s funny and sad. 😅😅

            • Island Breeze

              Family fun night, Lego style!

              https://youtu.be/U1aR5ZAveTM

            • Ridicule is no refuge. The ridiculer is going to have to face the day of Jehovah just like everyone else.

            • Daisy

              Are you saying that Lego land is now bounced Robert , as satire… is the use of ridicule to expose foolishness… and Lego man is very gentle with us and hardly inappropriate as God uses ridicule in several places in the bible. Paul’s words for e.g to the Corinthians 1:4:8-13 he calls them spiritual kings and says ironically that God considers His apostles as “scum” and “dregs”
              There are others also in bible passages , that use satire, even Jesus when he told his listeners to “take the plank out of your own eye” matt 7:5.
              Much love 😉

            • No. I’ll let you share your Lego moment. I am only saying that being a ridiculer does not necessarily endear one to God. In fact, in the very first chapter of Proverbs Jehovah pleads with the ridiculers and mockers to reconsider their course. The alternative is that Jehovah may end up ridiculing them, as stated in God’s word: “I also will laugh when disaster strikes you; I will mock when what you dread comes, when what you dread comes like a storm, and your disaster arrives like a storm wind, when distress and trouble come upon you. At that time they will keep calling me, but I will not answer; they will eagerly look for me, but they will not find me, because they hated knowledge, and they did not choose to fear Jehovah.”

            • Daisy

              Couldn’t agree more that ridiculers won’t endear themselves to God Robert but only in my opinion I would, if I really had to, because I really dislike using the scriptures as a weapon, apply the proverb quoted now that you’ve mentioned it, to the big guns in bethel who blatantly choose not to fear God and….I’ve learned that from you (lol ) …Just a thought…

            • yep. glad you realize that Robert

            • Noe Namely

              How True & my guess is that most who Bully & Tease never see it that way…..

            • Craig Knight

              I grew a beard when I was still an active JW and I got those looks too. I think they are just jealous they can’t have one. Just another silly un-scriptural rule from WT to make JW’s more miserable.

            • The Raven

              I can’t wait for all that stupid crap to be done with. That sort of silliness will blow away when the idols are destroyed.

            • Craig Knight

              I ditched my goatee and grew a full beard so I guess I’m safe! Ha ha!

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think your beard looks very regal and genteel. If the Levite priesthood were alive today, they would all be shunned to the back of the congregation with no hope of ever holding the microphone for the congregation watchtower study. I have the proud boast of attaining that exaulted position when I was an abnoxious ministerial servant. I was given a gold sticker once for my technique, but it was from behind the book counter that I really excelled, innocently raking in the profits for the watchtower. Sigh…..

            • The Raven

              Even through all these things, you and millions of others brought truth to only God knows how many. The devil has his hooks in everything and the message still could not be stopped. While so many bemoan the lies and errors they preached with the truth I am reminded that it was all foretold. Those like you and others here who now see this more clearly are closer to Jehovah for their love of the truth. Millions did this for love of God and man and that, as Christ said is above all. Those of us who realized the lies and were never baptised have NOTHING to boast about. Essentially we are all still blind and deaf to much. We all wait together for the conclusion and salvation .

            • Craig Knight

              Yes I look very extinguished in my beard thank you! ha ha! Oh yeah I held the microphones and worked in the book room too but never got a gold star – now that’s just not fair. Do you have a spare you can send me. 🙂 Your comments always make me smile. Thanks Burt!

            • do you know how to use audio recording softwear?

        • Craig Knight

          John 10: 14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

          The other sheep are the gentiles to be brought in along with the Jews to make up one heavenly flock. WT misapplies the other sheep as I have stated before. Those who come out of the Great Tribulation are The Great Crowd.

      • Burt Reynolds

        There is the scripture that is oft quoted in that there are those who know the voice of Christ, and follow, and which is essentially I suppose, a remark on those who are receptive to the greater meaning of his words as found in the bible. The huge crowd of people leaving the watchtower completely…I.e., leaving Jehovah as well, does not mean that the call dies within them, but perhaps sleeps on. I don’t know about others, but the witnesses are burnt into my soul and are my life, and to be a witness, no matter how nasty the watchtower has become, one still knows there is a truth. It is just that for now, these others no longer know where it is, least of all in the place they have just left so vociferously! We are comparatively few who accept that the watchtower has a place in bible prophesy, but what we could ever offer over and above the manifestation of Christ as a learning curve, would be mockingly laughable of us to assume. Before hand, I could see a role, but we just don’t know. The only advantage we seem to have is to be able to see the lie and if that is the case, it has either been given to us as a comfort, or for a purpose. After all, who would ever assume off their own bat, that Jehovah’s temple is the riddle inside the conundrum that is the watchtower? Yet this is precisely what the examples in the bible indicate. For my part, I am just ready to go where the spirit will guide me ( assuming I’m not too grubby for the spirit that is! ) to help my brothers and sisters. I hope that there will come a time soon when they are receptive.

        • The Raven

          I agree, Burt. I’m not sure about the role. It could be our test in a singular fashion. Then again it could be how we react if we are tasked with something in the future. It’s true it may have been given as a comfort to those of us who have remained as Jehovah’s people through it all but I am reminded that He has always had plans since the beginning and many were not revealed until immediately prior or not at all until it was upon folks. I don’t believe any of us are too grubby for the spirit. Think about who Christ associated with. My estimation from what I’ve read and what I do understand at this point is that all that’s happening now in the run up to the trib does have significant bearing on much of what we do know will occur. How or if we are led by spirit to act we will not have to wonder about what to say or do. We however must be willing. That may be the test of our own faith and love.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Yes, let’s hope the test will be faith and love. I can do that hopefully. If it’s a hundred questions like the watchtower baptismal show, then I think I’m a goner…..unless one of them is what day of the week is it, in which case I might be in with a chance. For ten points….name the decendants of Adam to Abram. For a further ten points, give their ages. For another ten points, name the miracles. For a final ten points, was the loaf Jesus was tested with, a granary loaf, or made with white flour? I suppose if I was French, the questions would be on the water was changed into which wine? What vintage year was it? I think I already grieve the spirit with my lame humour so I had better shut up….

            • The Raven

              Geez, man you never fail to chorale me into your brisk walks through some very cerebral humor. I’m chuckling all the way. Burt, if I can find some relief when discussing even dark matters in your thoughts, including gallows humor I’d say you’ve done me some good! Keep on!

      • J.M.J.

        I think myself that a lot of some of us having a glimpse of things in a clearer way is to do with things that have happened in our lives .Maybe we were treated unfairly and reasoned on this ,or maybe events happened .It could be down to our personality .That we seek JEHOVAH and the truth ,and are being used and trained ahead of time . It does not make us any more perfect or holy (Speaking for myself) ,just that perhaps despite things that have happened we are selected so we can help ,and that may take many forms as well .

        • The Raven

          You may be right. In fact I had a discussion with a friend a few nights ago about this. He also suggested that how we dealt with our past experiences and suffering may have something to do with this. We kept hold of truth even through the devil’s onslaught and are still actively seeking it. The reasons why we can’t know for certain at this time, IMO have to do with Jehovah’s plans. If even the angels peer into these matters to understand it would be reasonable to guess that we are not going to be told everything until the time is right. But I too have understood that Jehovah draws some near. I believe He has drawn us.

  • trudy

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    I have been doing a little digging and found that the Parabolic arch! on Warwick why did they do it ? and another time waste and money and then the tower more waste of time and money .. and they have built Solomon’s temple with a bit of Greek pagan invite curve !!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabolic_arch
    I thought Jehovah knocked it down …all built of children’s ice-cream money !
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabolic_arch
    I wonder what anyone else thinks on this ?

  • Sharon

    i think we are all in some way still in darkness,and in the near future true knowledge shall increase,and those whom jehovah shall use in this way shall shine as brightly as the sun.these ones know their God,and shall do great exploits.I dont believe for one moment that were better off.almost everyday i wish i was still there with my brothers and sisters,especially when your all alone like i am.its just that once you see the truth its impossible to undue what you know

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