Until He Comes

//Until He Comes

Thursday, September 8

Keep doing this in remembrance of me.1 Cor. 11:24.

Night has fallen, but a full moon bathes Jerusalem in soft light. It is the evening of Nisan 14, 33 C.E. Jesus and his apostles have celebrated the Passover, commemorating Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage 15 centuries earlier. With 11 loyal apostles, Jesus now institutes a special meal—one that will memorialize the death he will experience before this day ends. Jesus says a blessing and passes unleavened bread to the apostles, saying: “Take, eat.” He takes a cup of wine, again offers thanks, and says: “Drink out of it, all of you.” Jesus will not pass other food items to them, but he will have much more to tell his faithful followers on this momentous night. So it was that Jesus instituted the Memorial of his death, also called “the Lord’s Evening Meal.”

COMMENTARY

When a loved one is gone we remember them fondly. But when they are with us there is no need to hold them on our memory. Jesus told his followers to “keep doing this in remembrance of me.” Paul went on to say to the Corinthians that the remembrance will only be observed “until he comes.”

This creates a bit of a dilemma for the Watchtower, since it teaches that Christ came in 1914. Obviously if that were true then the Lord’s Evening Meal would have ceased to be observed then.

To deal with this obvious discrepancy the Watchtower has resorted to teaching that Christ comes on more than one occasion. Supposedly his next scheduled coming is when he comes on the clouds of heaven, when every eye will see him. But does that fix the contradiction? No. It does not.

In Luke’s account of when Jesus instituted the memorial of his death Christ said:  “I have greatly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.” And accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, for I tell you, from now on, I will not drink again from the product of the vine until the Kingdom of God comes.”

Notice, please, the remembrance of Christ’s sacrificial death is obviously concluded —fulfilled, when the Kingdom of God comes, which harmonizes with the truth expressed in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians.

Of course, the central teaching of the Watchtower is that the Kingdom of God was fully established in 1914. Jehovah’s Witnesses are even required to believe that the first resurrection has begun. Essentially, all things have been fulfilled. But to paper over the obvious fact that nothing has significantly changed since the time the kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord, the Watchtower teaches that although all things have been fulfilled and the Kingdom has come, it is coming again, evidently during the tribulation.

Another inconvenient truth is what is recorded in the 12th chapter of Luke. Addressing his little flock who have been promised the Kingdom, Jesus exhorted them to stay on the watch for his coming: “Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning, and you should be like men waiting for their master to return from the marriage, so when he comes and knocks, they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on coming finds watching! Truly I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. And if he comes in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them ready, happy are they! But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into.You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming.”

In the span of verse above Jesus used the words “come,” “comes” and “coming” four times. Is this coming the same as his coming on the clouds of heaven to execute the ungodly, —the coming that Jehovah’s Witnesses are on the watch for? The Watchtower says yes.

It is noteworthy that Jesus evoked the setting of the Lord’s Evening Meal, when his apostles reclined with the Lord at the table and immediately afterwards Jesus rose from the table and girded himself with a towel and assumed the duties of a slave when he began washing the feet of the disciples. Furthermore, as Jehovah’s Witnesses well know, the Greek word “parousia” literally means being alongside. So, Jesus coming alongside his disciples and ministering to them is what will occur during the presence of Christ.

It is then, Christ’s presence with his disciples that brings about the fulfillment of all things and the conclusion of the remembrance of him. No wonder Jesus stressed the importance of staying awake and being ready to receive him when he knocks.

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2017-03-18T11:49:20+00:00 September 8th, 2016|Commentary|172 Comments
  • i wish you’ed come see me Jesus 🙁

    • Joyce Haze

      Yes, there are some serious errors in the watchtowers teaching. Pretty much every prophesy in the last days are meaningless. The claim by watchtower that most have reached fulfillment, that most have already been cut off, with no hope. No need for the preaching work, as all would have already received “the mark”, of either life or death, all hope today would also be dead. It is sad, destroying the entire prophetic meaning, for what will shortly take place, it’s true fulfillment! This article, yet again, shows so many twisted beliefs being manufactured, the Memorial observance, if Jesus was already present, of what need or benefit does it serve? The real Truth moves all who understand, to immediate action, as all the scripture for our time is about to reach it’s climax and fulfillment. It is both frightening and exciting, a time that we have to draw ever closer to JEHOVAH and JESUS, hope and pray we recieve the direction, if so worthy to survive what is on the horizen to SHORTLY to take place. It prevents many to remain in the dark, not prepared!!! Much confusion to many.

      • Joyce Haze

        Meant to say, causes many to remain in the dark, not allowing them to be prepared for what is soon to take place!

      • Volcanic

        it IS sad, Joyce & yet, if I think about it, everything that I learned from the time I first heard about the truth, I just accepted without question!
        Why???
        I don’t honestly know because I studied all religions in school, I was searching all religions throughout my early adulthood. I loved the ‘pomp & ceremony’ of our Cathedral services (my 2 brothers were boy sopranos in the Cathedral choir & toured Europe)
        I loved church architecture because I thought it was all inspired by God, I nearly broke my neck while in Prague looking up at all the amazing silver statues in the churches there…………blah, blah, blah……absolutely anything connected to ‘God’ I just devoured!
        I cared so much for a beautiful white leather bound NT that my Godmother gave me on my 21st.

        Why then did I accept what the WT taught me? I can’t tell you, but I just DID!
        Darn it! I can’t believe how naive I was 25 years ago! I even donated 50 pence to the Witnesses 35 years ago because they knocked on my door & everyone else in the street had slammed their doors tight & I felt sorry for them, I wouldn’t take their magazines, but gave them money because ‘it was a good cause’…..they never called back *tears in my eyes now for what I missed from Jehovah*

        We do/did accept what the WT ‘gods’ teach, because it ‘comes from God! How deluded I was to just blindly accept the teachings of a few men with hand made suits & Rolex watches!
        I thank Jehovah every day that I have the sort of brain that (eventually) tries to figure things out & looks deeper.
        If it were not for the Australian commission on child abuse I would still be a little blind sheep diligently yellow marking my answers to the WT study for Sunday & the answers in the midweek school.
        I shudder at the thought that Jehovah might have overlooked my inquisitive brain & left me wandering in the KH desert!!

        • Volcanic

          Oh & btw, it IS frightening what is to come, Joyce, in fact it’s more than frightening, it’s enough to scare the pants off ya’

          I just want it over with!

          • Joyce Haze

            Sister Volcanic, I do agree, most terrifying. Although when we really look if this old system were to continue, talk about terrifying without and end result. JEHOVAH must allow it to rid this evil and crush satan once and for all!!! And the beauty of a perfect new earth, With Christ Jesus to rule over all mankind, no more hate, greed, lust and envy. Once and for all, JEHOVAH will finally recieve the kind of worship and praise that should have endured from the beginning. We are so….weak and sinful, we wonder how Jehovah has put up with a creation that really blew it in every way. I just HOPE and PRAY we all can hold our love and integrity in service to him, to recieve his gift of forgiveness and in turn his blessings. Love to you!!!

    • Beverly kenyon

      Awww. He will soon DA, not long to go…hang in there…think we’re on the final stretch! But remember what you said in a post of your’s…the very thing you’re hoping for to happen is the very thing you’re dreading because that time will be carnage and horrific! I adlibbed there a bit cos I couldn’t remember the actual words you used but that was the gist of what you said and I never forgot it as it was such a good point.

  • Lisa

    Excellent ! So simple to understand. 1914 rears it’s ugly head and blocks the JW’s from seeing and understanding.

  • Yuri Fisher

    Thank you Robert. It is excellent explanation about future comming of Christ. False teaching about 1914 confusing even the GB. They tried to explain overlapping generations but it was so rediculous. After seeing this so called explanation I even more was happy that we understand this vital information. To try explaining this to brothers is hard. Their mind is blocked. I hope after WT collapse we will be able to teach brother a real Truth. Today GB holds everyone in spiritual darcness. How sad it is. 99 percent of JW in total darkness about the future events. Thank you Robert for opening our eyes.

    Yuri Fisher.

    • Joyce Haze

      This is the case according to Matthew; 11:25

  • LW

    Here we go.

  • NWOBS9014

    WOW! Another lightning bolt of inspired wisdom from Robert King.

  • Just keep swimming!

    Hi. Here’s a question about the theme scripture. Why do only anointed ones partake? Is it because when Jesus passed the bread and wine, it was only for those who would be in his new covenant?

    I get the wedding illustration: it would be presumptuous to sit at the bridal party table unless we were members of the bridal party, but everybody eats the cake!

    • Volcanic

      Hi, Dory, now I have to type this quickly because I had to go onto the balcony & look at the moon to get my thoughts about your question in some sort of order & my brain is not functioning well (5th summer cold – yuk!)

      The first Passover was about Moses & the Israelites leaving Egypt – the lamb was sacrificed to put blood on the doorposts.

      The 2nd Passover was the ‘actual’ sacrificial death of the Christ, as it fell on the anniversary of the first Passover, (there is something more trying to hit my brain cells about that, but I can’t think!)

      So, in my eyes, Jesus was saying he would not celebrate another Passover until the Kingdom of God is established, which I presume is the marriage feast when all the chosen ones will have been finally anointed & join Christ in the heavens “until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.”

      I think ‘fulfilled’ means that a new covenant will be instituted then, (or that an older one that Jesus instituted while on earth with his apostles on behalf of Jehovah is completed)
      Either way, that is some sort of ‘finale’ I’m thinking, that no longer will there be any need for any more sacrifices because everything will have been brought to completion at that time.

      Only the anointed/chosen ones can partake because it is only for them as part of the eternal plan to be joint heirs with Christ.
      I’ll wait with bated breath until someone comes along & rubbishes my theory, which I think is rather good considering it’s past midnight & the golden coach has now turned into a pumpkin & I will have to walk home with only one glass slipper on…….very tired of all this limping home stuff, high time my prince came & bought me a pair of Louboutins so I don’t need to keep going to the ball!!!

      • Just keep swimming!

        Thanks. It makes sense, but it just needs to sink in for me. Feel better!! Stress reduces immune function, plus I know you have an adorable little petri dish running around too. Elderberry, garlic, buffered vitamin c, and lots of water!!! Sorry…that was unsolicited, but I can’t help it. ?

        • Volcanic

          poor little petri dish is full of a cold too, high fever & clingy all afternoon, I blame it on all the Moms that send their kiddiwinks to guarderia/nursery school with colds!
          Elderberry I haven’t taken, Jalea Real/Royal Jelly, Vit C & energy tablets, litres of water & a couple of glasses of alcohol flavoured water this evening (well, Paul advised Timothy to take red wine instead of water!) Stress isn’t in it! Stress, stress STRESS!!! NOT much…..pheeeeew 🙂 🙂

      • Burt Reynolds

        Did I not hear the governing body announce that only they were heaven bound and that the other anointed were not in that arrangement?

        • Volcanic

          ah, yes of course, Burt, so why is Robert wasting his time writing fantastic articles if he isn’t heaven-bound?
          We might as well all go home then 🙂

          • Burt Reynolds

            Well I just presumed he was a nice guy! I think if it was just the governing body going to heaven we would benefit from the entire heavenly host moving down here!

            • Volcanic

              hahahaaa, yup, we would definitely benefit, Burt!

        • Shelley.

          Wow, I missed that new light. Was this published recently?

          • Burt Reynolds

            No, it’s old new light. I was thinking of the new light of three new lights ago, that are now old light as the new light replaced them with new light. But that light is out now. If you hang on for a minute or two a new light will be along. In the interim, let your light shine.

        • close. they got it all messed up. i think what you heard was ‘awk a wah a wah wah’
          something to that effect

    • LW

      The new covenant is part of The kingdom arrangement, and so this is the means by which the anointed are part of the foundation of this arrangement. It is between them and Jehovah, with Jesus as the mediator.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Food for thought.
      Mark 10:
      38 But Jesus said to them: “You do not know what you are asking for. Can you drink the cup that I am drinking or be baptized with the baptism with which I am being baptized?”
      39 They said to him: “We can.” At that Jesus said to them: “The cup I am drinking, you will drink, and with the baptism with which I am being baptized, you will be baptized.

      Romans 6:
      4 So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life.
      5 If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Bklyn Kevin Sharon • 2 days ago

        We know the “new covenant” was not meant for the great crowd and they should not partake of the emblems, because the new covenant was only offered to a set number of 144,000 which was prophesied by Jeremiah in 31:31 when he said”

        Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a “new covenant”.
        And in Revelation 14:1 it clearly shows that set number.
        Revelation

        14 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

        Jesus instituted this observance, also called the Lord’s Evening Meal, after he and his apostles celebrated the Passover on Nisan 14, 33 C.E.

        1 Corinthians 11:25
        He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying:
        This cup means the “new covenant” by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.

        Luke 22:
        20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying:
        This cup means the “new covenant” by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

        If they the great crowd were baptized in the “new covenant” that would mean that they would all be baptized into Jesus’ death in his likeness and would be resurrected in the same manner as Jesus was when he was resurrected into to the heavens, how would that be possible If the great crowd is more numerous than the chosen 144,000, in fact the great crowd are so numerous that they could not even be counted and thus would exceed the set member which is 144,000 so you see there can only be a set number and the great crowd surely exceeds that
        member.
        I mean surely they all can’t be partaker’s since there is a set number of just 144,000 Revelation 7:4,9.Romans 6:3-5 .

      • Just keep swimming!

        Wow….thank you for these scriptures. Thank you for your patience with me. I FINALLY get it. It’s weird how others can say the same thing, but all our brains are different and different things make mine click…. so I’m thankful it finally clicked!!

  • Tabitha

    I’m still reading the same bible, so how come there are so many verses now that weren’t there before? …….. Just an amazing commentary!

    • Just keep swimming!

      Sorry…I’m confused..what are you referring to? (Extra verses)

      • Tabitha

        Sorry, just my weird sense of humour! I’ve read these verses in 1 Cor 11 and Luke 22 many times, but never noticed before that Jesus said to keep doing this “until” I arrive or until the Kingdom of God arrives, but now my eyes have been “opened” it all makes sense!

        • LW

          Coming of Christ changes everything 😉

        • Just keep swimming!

          I told you I’m slow!…lol.

  • Sharon

    thank-you great article brother Robert, I have a question, something that has been bothering me for a while. With all the lies and deception that has been present from the beginning of watchtowers history, including subliminal messages, I also just read that they actually used a worldly song in the paradise video this summer, how do we know that all of Christ’s followers are not meant to partake on Nissan 14 to show our love, and remembrance of that great evening meal?

    • Podcast #14
      And March 21 commentary

    • Bklyn Kevin

      We know the “new covenant” was not meant for the great crowd and they should not partake of the emblems, because the new covenant was only offered to a set number of 144,000 which was prophesied by Jeremiah in 31:31 when he said”

      Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a “new covenant”.
      And in Revelation 14:1 it clearly shows that set number.
      Revelation

      14 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

      Jesus instituted this observance, also called the Lord’s Evening Meal, after he and his apostles celebrated the Passover on Nisan 14, 33 C.E.

      1 Corinthians 11:25
      He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying:
      This cup means the “new covenant” by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.

      Luke 22:
      20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying:
      This cup means the “new covenant” by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

      If they the great crowd were baptized in the new covenant that would mean that they would all be baptized into Jesus’ death in his likeness and would be resurrected in the same manner as Jesus was when he was resurrected into to the heavens, how would that be possible If the great crowd is more numerous than the chosen 144,000, in fact the great crowd are so numerous that they could not even be counted and thus would exceed the set member which is 144,000 so you see there can only be a set number and the great crowd surely exceeds that

      member. I mean surely they all can’t be partaker’s since there is a set number of only 144,000 Revelation 7:4,9.Romans 6:3-5 .

      Nonetheless when Jesus does come, in his authentic parousia we will bear witness to those who truly are the sons of GOD because they will be revealed.

      And it’s at that point we will have an answer to this question that Jesus had presented when he said, “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave.

      • e.v.g

        Yup!, who really is the faithful and discrete slave? Ready to be discovered, when the night comes.

  • 偶然来访,受益良多!

  • Leonard k

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    • Patrick Langat

      #Leonard K your assertion that “the time left is very very short” may not be true since the potential 8th and last king doesn’t seem to have the means, technology or the logistics to compel every inhabitant on earth to have mark of the beast even in the short or foreseeable future, a nuclear showdown doesn’t seem probable either in the short term since the super powers are still trying to gain advantage over each other with development of supersonic glide weapons and more, once one superpower is confident of a win in battle then we may expect a showdown. I remember the January 1st 2012 new year commentary by #ewatchman in which he expected Iran to be hit in that year and the system to go down but here we are over 4 years later! But that doesn’t imply that the end wouldn’t come, “it will not delay” but will come in Jehovah’s time. Blessed are those without hope for a quick end for they will not be disappointed.

        • Patrick Langat

          Thanks for the video link, it talks about the dollar collapsing soon, that is not going to happen any time soon because it will be propped up or rigged as usual. The global financial conditions are not yet ripe for one world currency but in the long term they will be. Furthermore the current major military posturing is not to go to war but is to scare citizens of their respective countries to spend more on the militaries. The end is still sometime ahead in future.

          • LW

            So, perhaps not in our lifetime from what you’re suggesting?

            • Patrick Langat

              The end may come during our lifetime but not soon as in human terms (shortly, before long) but as soon as the first trumpet is blown then events will happen in quick succession, that is when I will say the end is soon. People have always wanted or anticipated the end to come in their lifetime such as in December 999 when certain laity in Europe sold belongings, let loose their livestock and went to the mountains to wait for Christ, the Adventist’s 1844 debacle, our own 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975 presumed ends, here in Kenya in 1999 certain sects went to the mountains to wait to receive Christ while others climbed trees to make it easy to ‘fly to heaven’ in the rupture and many more examples. However the end will indeed come in future.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              2 Peter 3:1-18
              Ridiculers ignore coming destruction (1-7)
              Jehovah is not slow (8-10)
              Consider what sort of people you ought to be (11-16)
              New heavens and a new earth (13)
              Guard against being led astray (17, 18)https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-peter/3/#v61003004

            • Patrick Langat

              @Bklyn Kevin, we may be entering a period of some calm as Trump concentrates on rebuilding the US economy and ceases overseas war because he says countries should finance their own security.

            • time to rack up the credit cards hey is anybody hungry let’s go out to eat

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Perhaps it could be the calm before the storm remember what the Apostle Paul said
              “For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the nightWhenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.
              1 Thessalonians 5 2-3

            • Patrick Langat

              It is true that calm comes before a storm, I am afraid the calm might lull me into not being awake but I am already working on it. Thanks for taking time to reply.

            • DA

              thats what Satan does; makes us sluggish and occupied with things that push the kingdom out of first place. we have to watchout with that and keep an eye out on each-others back

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Could WWIII begin before they are saying ‘peace and security’?
              Excerpt:
              QUESTION: Is it possible for World War Three to break out before “they are saying: ‘peace and security!’” according to 1 Thessalonians 5:3?

              ANSWER: No. Paul said that Jehovah’s day was coming exactly as a thief in the night. So, once the day of Jehovah begins – that’s it. And according to Jesus, the sign of his thief-like presence will be nation arising against nation – kingdom against kingdom. So, their saying “peace and security” must immediately precede the nations going to war.

              Paul went on to say that sudden destruction would then come upon them as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman. According to that illustration, though, birth pangs do not instantaneously result in the birth of a child, but merely signal the beginning of a process. Likewise, Jesus also made reference to the start of war and other developments as “the beginning pangs of distress.” Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/could-wwiii-begin/

            • rajan

              @patrick – it is fine to be circumspect but keep your mind open and examine wordly events/happenings with divine wisdom (Jehovah will give it to those who constantly seek it in prayer).
              Remember that all important events recorded in the bible have a type and antitype e.g. Jacobs 12 sons foreshadowed the 12 apostles of the Lord Christ.
              Likewise the case of Sodom and Gomorrah where their practices were going on for a while but when it reached an intolerable level that Jehovah told Abraham about its coming destruction which very swift. In the modern day America has reached a critical level when Obama passed the Gay Marriages Act it also marked an intolerable level. So expect swift destruction. Add to this all the other aspects such as wars(small wars) , rumours of wars, riots and uprisings all over world which are currently being fulfilled. Then comes world war 111 (i.e. Kingdom against kingdom, nation against nation, pestilences, food shortages and great earthquakes when the four horsemen of the apocalypse begin ride.
              Right now 5 countries have been invaded by Anglo-American beast but they have been unstuck in Syria with the other country under their cross-hairs being Iran.
              Whys is this so. Perhaps Jehovah God has manouvered Russia to halt this as it is not the day and the hour which is his prerogative.
              At this very moment China is getting involved in Syria. So everything is being set in place for the final showdown.
              Everday we must supplicate Jehovah God for faith and salvation that we may pass the great test that is coming upon the entire inhabited earth.
              May God bless all our brothers and sisters

              R

            • Patrick Langat

              @Rajan you talked about examining world events or happenings and expecting swift destruction, do you think this will happen any time soon with the election of Trump as the next POTUS?

            • Patrick Langat

              @LW you see there may not be WW3 soon with Trump as president, the global economy and relations between nuclear powers may improve in the short term.

            • LW

              Yes I see your point Patrick. But here’s something to think about: Does it have to absolutely be WW3 to bring on the final phase?

              I say this to emphasize the point of the time coming as a thief in the night. You see how many people , not just JWs, sense how things are on the verge of going south. Yet Jesus said, at an hour that you do not think to be it the Son of man is coming.

              In my mind, the threat of nuclear war is hanging over the whole world like a sword of Damocles. It’s when people, including us, least suspect that things will go bad, that events will unfold in a sudden fashion. Let no one think just because we’re out of the woods, because of supposedly having averted a seemingly inevitable world war, that everything will be ok.

            • Patrick Langat

              I like your statement “least suspect that things will go bad” I think this might also be applying to me, fortunately I am working on being alert. Thanks for your reply.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Hi Patrick. I’m glad to hear you’re working on being alert. I’ve read some of your comments in the past, and you’ve seemed convinced that we’re a ways off from the collapse. It could come at any time though. Jehovah is full of surprises.

            • Patrick Langat

              Hi Alex, Jehovah is indeed full of surprises, on something unrelated to this topic, I met a sister at a brother’s funeral who was a neighbor in the 1980s and whom I didn’t think could my spiritual sister and maybe she thought the same about me, but surprise! Jehovah called her to himself, I kept thinking that Paradise will indeed be full of surprises.

            • TRUMP’S DECLARATION OF WAR – katehon.com/article/trumps-declaration-war

            • Beverly kenyon

              Trump got stuck in straight away with that speech of his while the establishment was all sat behind him….awkward! Bet they were livid at him blasting them…probably plotting while they were all sat there. Let’s face it according to that article which was brilliantly written, all those who have eating great big slices out of the ‘American Pie’ have a lot to lose….from top to bottom it would appear from that article. The Downfall of America is slowly happening to gain momentum sometime in the future. Thanks for posting DA.

            • e.v.g

              This man is playing with fire, this matter will not end well. In short…nos va cargar el payaso!!

            • Southern ShaSha

              Dear D.A. Just read the link you’ve provided. What’s seriously strange in all thi with Trump, are his nomination choices for his cabinet. Did some research last night on all these guys, interesting in fact. The biggest names of course are hidden but a few we are familiar with. The guys who have pushed hard for decades, Kissinger, Brezinski and Soros. They are powerful members of “The Counsel On Foreign Affairs”. Some or most of Trumps cabinet picks are also members of The Counsel, outside think tank that pretty well make the decisions as to what direction this country takes and many others. I know, or at least according to the membership rolls, both secretary of defense and Secretary of State are both long standing members or have been. All the Wall Street bankers, big corporations, past presidents, when you look over the list it’s amazing. Anyway, one would surely believe something has got to give in all this.

            • Beverly kenyon

              And don’t forget James ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis as Secretary of Defence Southern ShaSha. With a name like that it’s Apocalypse Now all over again and he’s the man of war for what’s coming!

            • Southern ShaSha

              Yes, and Beverly at times we can become overwhelmed trying to make sense of what we see taking place. However when examining the scriptures it becomes much clearer. But as we see in Rev. 17: 17, what may have seemed impossible, JEHOVAH has made possible. He has allowed positions of these people to carry out His end goal. Went back and read Roberts articles, “The presidency of Donald Trump”, as well as “The Doom of the American Republic” and “The downfall of America & rise of the beast”, has been a great help for me to understand the sequence of events. it’s fantastic for me to be able to go back and reread articles, that only just now are becoming more clear by the day!! Robert talks about repetition in his work, but boy do I need it!!! Thank goodness JEHOVAH is patient, other wise I may have been totally lost from the get-go!!!

            • Beverly kenyon

              I’m the same Southern ShaSha, I have to read the articles at least twice and really think about what I’ve read. It’s so exciting that we now know how things are going to pan out. Jehovah would’ve found you SouthernShaSha, you wouldn’t have been lost for long as he knows who belong to him.

            • LW

              Anything is possible. What I see is this struggle against the globalists and their policies. Keep an eye out

          • RLALLEN

            WW3 will happen to cover over the financial collapse, the bankers will not let their money system go away without a bang to end all bangs….out of the ashes rises the 8th king, we are on the edge, I wouldn’t make plans for 20 years, thats for sure

            • Patrick Langat

              @ELiJAHx7, with the new political developments in US, do you think WW3 will happen soon? Do you still think we’re on the edge as you said? Trump looks set to work with Russia rather than fight her.

            • World War 3 is on hold time to party

            • ELiJAHx7

              The prospect of WW3 has NOT gone away with a changing of the puppets…The apparatus for war is already in place and hasn’t changed…If you believe for one second that Trump can change anything than that just goes along with what the delusional masses believe and not those with faith in Jehovah…The bankers and those unelected, who actually control governments, have NOT gone away….Any effort to scoff at the notion that WW3 is not close is nonsense…it has already begun in all respects…”Even if we think it is delaying”, we know it will happen….lets keep our eyes open as events unfold, and not be so quick to think that a change of direction means a change of course…because it doesn’t….You are free to believe what you want but I will stay on high alert watching with faith in Jehovah…”At a time we do not expect” the Son of Man is coming…

            • Patrick Langat

              Aha, your statement “a change of direction [does not] means a change of course” has cleared up my confusion, I have taken time to analyze it and I find it to be true even if one stood still – it is a light bulb moment for me. Thanks for taking time to reply.

            • ELiJAHx7

              You are clearly a man who uses his mind to think…I admire that and I appreciate that…we should always reason on biblical matters…thanks for giving me alot to ponder as well, I enjoy the discourse even if we have differing views…We should always have Jehovah’s view on all things, our view is secondary….We will do well if we do…take care Brother!

          • I have to disagree, this baby could blow at any moment , like a “Thief in the Night”. All the chips are in place, all their waiting on is the big event so they can implement their NWO.

            https://youtu.be/jMAnCSLreIY

            • Bklyn Kevin

              World War 3 – What Will It Mean for Jehovah’s Witnesses?

              .KINGDOM BULLETIN #11

              After the collapse of the USSR and the end of the Cold War, the Anglo-American establishment embarked upon a scheme for world domination. Wesley Clark, a retired army general, revealed that the initial phase of the scheme involves taking out seven countries in five years. On the target list as of 2001 were Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, & Iran. Although seemingly behind schedule, it is evident that the plan is being followed by means of direct invasions and so-called “dirty war,” whereby terrorists are employed as the frontline soldiers.

              Obviously, Iran poses the biggest challenge. But now that Russia has intervened militarily in Syria and drawn the proverbial line in the sand, the Anglo-American imperialists are going to have to escalate their efforts considerably or else scale back their hegemonic ambitions.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/ww3-will-mean-jehovahs-witnesses/

            • LW

              Ah, so this is in agreement with my thoughts, that all it is a single spark to ignite this whole thing…the question we face is, what will it be? 😉

            • RLALLEN

              Brother King posted an article on Twitter, it appears that Russia and the US have reached a “cease fire” agreement on Syria….smh..ALWAYS peace before WAR!….LET ER’ RIP TATER CHIP!

            • Patrick Langat

              @Seabreeze, do you still think “this baby could blow at any moment” as you put it now that Trump seems set to make some reversals on US foreign policies and finding common ground with Russia?

            • Time to drop your guard and party like it’s 1999! Jesus coming back has been put on hold.
              You could think like this only if you an idiot. Anyone who has a little bit of Bible knowledge should know we’re in dangerous times.
              Let me quote Robert, in case you missed it…quoted the German defense minister musing as to whether Pax Americana was going to end now with the Trump Presidency. That is an odd statement, considering that Trump has stated on a few occasions that he is against the regime change wars and chaos the US has sponsored in the past decade.
              Supposedly, though, America has imposed peace on the world since the end of WWII. And it is true, although the Anglo-American beast has created devastation and chaos in the Middle East people in America and Europe are scarcely aware that there is a war going on. For example, 16 US service men were killed in the battle for Mosuel the other day. Barely made a blip on the news.
              But a time of security is not just the absence of war. Although millions of people live in poverty and have given up all hope, overall there is a sense of economic security, primarily because the central banks have flooded the world with money. Banks are now the biggest buyers of stock, propping up a system that is collapsing. For example, the central bank of Japan is now the majority shareholder of every major corporation in the nation. The Swiss National Bank owns $ 66 billion in stocks shares globally. And of course, the big private banks own untold equities, due to the fact they can borrow money at zero interest. So, the stage is set for the whole thing to go into reverse. The holders of bonds and equities can sell and short and drive the prices down to the point of bankrupting the bulls who buy on margin.
              I suspect the banks will simply close down and foreclose on everyone. Then the holders of gold will set up a new money system and the scoop up all the debt outstanding, making the financier oligarchy the owners of government debt, corporate debt and equity, and personal debt. The capitalist system will have served to deliver the world up to a global, communistic world government.
              Bringing the many to ruin during a time of security will likely coincide with their saying “peace and security.” https://e-watchman.com/wheneve

              So don’t let your guard down, Jesus is on his way ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d388c1ab7af9940cd603f7774e58dd0428b45e901e8c2e62a8b17767cc88b3dc.jpg

            • Patrick Langat

              @Seabreeze, this is the only reply I like from you, let alone your other “it’s party time” replies. Your points here have strong merit and well argued, it seems now the greatest threat is global financial collapse and not war. Why would a Christian put aside the bible and party? Even if the end should come in 10 years time, it is still not party time because our faith is not based on the end but on Jehovah through Jesus.

          • in short, cause you say so. very poor argument.

            • Patrick Langat

              @D34D 4L!3N Let us come back to this argument in 3 years time as we inch ever closer to the end. I am eagerly keeping on the watch and waiting for the end but in a realistic time frame.

            • let it be sometime through the tribulation when we come back to this older understanding. whats a realistic time frame to Jehovah?

            • Patrick Langat

              I will be happy to discuss this during the GT, it will be a pleasant surprise. Meanwhile we’ve been pulled from the brink of war with the signing of Syria ceasefire by Russia and USA so that reduces the possibility of a mushroom cloud any time soon although other less serious flashpoints remain – @D34D 4L!3N you have to adjust your endgame time frame to be realistic with the new military cooperation & cessation of hostilities between USA and Russia.

            • i havent made any end game frame to adjust. nobody knows the day. that is why you set your disappointment not me. quit trying to convince me my expectation should have a marker and time length. i dont need you to tell me three, five, fifteen, ect. go make your own blog refuting the daily apocalypse reports uptated by all and everyone related with e-Watchman. you think its 2030, five years, ten, good for you. im not allowing a stupid signature of military cooperation to cause me thinking we’v been pulled from the brink of Jehovah’s day anytime soon. for real. what day it is doesnt matter. being ready and keeping on the watch does. faith matters. whos faith are you strengthening here?

            • Patrick Langat

              @ewatchman was hounded out of the congregation for debunking 1914 doctrine, condeming UN-Watchtower partnership and disagreeing on with Watchtower on matters prophecy, now @D34D 4L!3N is asking me to quit this board just because of having a slightly divergent view from the rest, so if you have an alternative view of matters then you shouldn’t air them here but form your own blog? Wisdom demands that I stop commenting on this topic.

            • i havnt asked you to quit this board.
              im not asking you to be unrealistic either.
              i disagree with your view sternly.
              red flags go off when i read your take on the nearness of the day we are to be in expectation.

              the blog is the idea for archiving your contrastive evidence that you claim without over doing it here in the comments. perhaps use the new forum. im not the e-police here.
              obviously your view striks me to respond in the way i have. should that bother you then read 1-Cor 4:4

              comparing me who suggest that you essay your speculative view in which i am very sceptical via a blog to the committee who disfellowshiped Robert and others for telling the truth isnt a comparison. Robert still attends the congregation meeting also.

            • ELiJAHx7

              Ouch, I wouldn’t put myself on par with the e-watchman….

            • Patrick Langat

              @DA, a realistic timeframe to us assuming Trump lives up to his promise to improve relations with Russia is after Trump leaves office. As @ewatchman tweeted, WW3 may have been postponed.

            • World War 3 is on hold, time to put the Bible’s away and Party Like It’s 1999

            • DA

              and what was your realistic reasioning before he was elected? you should stop puttung a time stamp on what is unkowable for fact it is in Jehovah’s jurisdiction. wait for Jehovah to revel it to you

            • Patrick Langat

              @DA, you’re very right on not putting a time stamp on Jehovah’s jurisdiction. I honestly have to work on it because nobody knows the hour.

            • Patrick Langat

              @DA, my argument is not poor because it seems we are entering a period of relative calm and prosperity since Trump is focused on economic growth and not war.

            • break out the champagne it’s party time

            • DA

              calm and prosperity isnt a bad translation. i like the one that says peace and quit or safe and sound too

              biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/5-3.htm

              1-Thess 5:3

            • Patrick Langat

              Well said my brother or is it sister now that you’re masked.

      • rajan

        I believe Leonard is right – time left is very short. The days that we now are experiencing are very similar to that which precede WW1
        The season is here but the day and the hour we do not know. As for the monetary/financial system it is looming over the cliff edge

        • Patrick Langat

          #rajan I understand soon to mean a timeframe less than 3 years, very soon to mean less than 2 years, very very soon less than 1 years, I guesstimate that we give this system even up to 2030 for things to line up for prophetic fulfillment.

          • rajan

            @Patrick – I appreciate your viewpoint but in my discernment there is only month/months left i.e. Not even a full year

            • id like to know the knowledge feed of this ‘view point’ beause ive been reading and watching daily consistently for years and there is nothing that i have seen nor have observed that suggest this system is going to last another 15 years unless it was bs or unwatchful bias drivel from the clueless

            • Patrick Langat

              @Rajan, do you still think “there is only month/months left” as you put considering that Trump is not keen on waging war but on creating jobs for US citizens?

            • Everybody let down their guard back to business as usual Jesus is not coming

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Personally given / seeing the signs of the times I would say that we are a lot closer than perhaps people think or want to believe and that’s all the more reason to stay on guard as not to have your house broken into.
            For sure we do not know that day or hour, and that’s the whole point just be ready as Jesus exulted us to do.

            Luke 12:39
            But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into.
            40 You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming

            • LW

              And things can happen very fast.

        • Leonard is right. in fact hes spot on. Patrick is going to be disappointed.

          • Patrick Langat

            @DA, I am not going to be disappointed because I expected the turn of events especially in the US political arena which seemingly will avert war in the short term.

            • life is good let’s party

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, I’m gonna party like its 1999 and will partaking of a few cheeky margarita’s. But the Titantic is still taking on water and will eventually sink!! Trump might be Dovelike now but he’s a typical Alpha Male and if pushed will react and become Hawkish. The Banks are heaving at the side with their bad and dodgy dealings so that Financial Apocalypse is not going anywhere…it’s been referred to as Apocalypse instead of Crisis now just to emphasise the gravity of that situation. Putin will not deviate from his snidey agenda in places like Ukraine and Romania and other countries in that region and that’s not even mentioning Syria and the Middle East and Israel and Iran are not going to become best buddies…they all still have their gang mentality so yes Jehovah’s Divine Timetable will not be derailed…the pause button has just been pressed for now.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Good Morning Seabreeze, and thank you for that link and the other one you sent. I was viewing one of those vids and my non witness friend who phoned wanted that link when I told him what the vid was about. I would never know how to find those sort of vids if ones like you didn’t post them…gonna try and fit in another one before I set off for work. The Orange One has thrown a dirty great big brick in the ‘pond’ and the ripples will be touching every edge of that ‘pond.’ That’s if it’s not just empty promises coming from him. Perhaps , we need to watch the Simpsons circa, 2000 to find out the outcome! Lol.

            • DA

              if you say so.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Patrick, perhaps you are correct about war being averted in the short term. But maybe this avoidance of war and the expected defeat of ISIL could herald in the Peace and Security spoken of in Thessalonians and we all know what happens after that. Just a thought!

            • Patrick Langat

              Greetings @Jamie Mac, you and others are propounding the same thought about peace and security, the ideas seems plausible, or perhaps things could blow up before January, let’s wait and see how things turn out. Thanks for taking time to reply.

            • LW

              Exactly. Everyone’s looking for this huge catastrophic sign (I.e. WW3) but its coming as a thief in the night.

            • are you sure about that brother can you really say? non of us can really but look at the world look at what is taking place there is no dennying the facts it is most clear this wicked system of things has finally arrived at its end and now its time for the world to be called to account no matter what you see or what you think please keep in mind jehova’h will not delay it is clear the end is upon this wicked system of things.

        • Patrick Langat

          @Rajan do you still think “time left is very short” as you put it now that Trump is proposing to work with Russia to achieve common aims?

          • that’s party we got all the time in the world now

          • rajan

            Hello Patrick

            Right now 300,000 nato troops have been called up for active duty and the elite (nwo) will not give up their aims.
            I think high probability trump will not take power in jan.
            The pushing between the iron and clay is becoming more decisive

            Rgds

            Rajan

            • Patrick Langat

              @Rajan, Indeed tables could be turned upside down before January 2017, after going through several insightful comments from you brothers and sisters, I now have softened my hardline take and waiting for the end to come according to Jehovah’s timing. Thanks for you reply.

      • RLALLEN

        Imagine all the technology that is not made known to the public…the masses will beg for the government to help save them when the chaos breaks out…people will line up for whatever the gov has to offer to save their own skin…

        • LW

          Even as Satan asserted to God ages ago, “Skin for skin, everything that a man has he will give his life.”

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mu40b5RYXAk

          • RLALLEN

            Exactly LW….We must do everything to prove satan the liar he is!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Actually Satan the devil has already been proven to be a liar not only by Job but also by Jesus Christ the son of Jehovah and all we have to do is go out and preach the salvation we have through Jesus and his ransom sacrifice and put unwavering faith in Jehovah’s arrangement.
              why there is still time.

              Isaiah 13:9 Isaiah 13:9
              9 Look! The day of Jehovah is coming, Cruel both with fury and with burning anger, To make the land an object of horror, And to annihilate the land’s sinners from it.

              Matthew 28:
              19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
              20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”.

            • RLALLEN

              On a personal level, I want to continue proving satan a liar by remaining faithful to Jehovah, no matter what he throws at me…

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          Hey you are right

        • Burt Reynolds

          One thing they will not do is line up!

          • RLALLEN

            Oh, just offer people a free iphone and they will fight over who is first to recieve “the mark”….Look at the pokemon go nonsense, people are too easy to control because they have emptied their minds and hearts of God and are full of themselves…satan will find ways to fill that Godless void if you let him…thats why we fill our minds and hearts with Jehovah!

      • Leonard k

        Daniel 11:27

        27 “As regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to do what is bad, and they will sit at one table speaking lies to each other. But nothing will succeed, because the end is yet for the time appointed.

        Daniel 11:35

        35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

        Habakkuk 2:3

        3 For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!

        7 Moreover, when you hear of wars and reports of wars, do not be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet. Mark 13:7 Mark 13:29

        Matthew 25:13

        13 “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.

        29 Likewise also you, when you see these things happening, know that he is near at the doors

      • Leonard k

        2 Peter 3:1-18
        17 You, therefore, beloved ones, having this advance knowledge, be on your guard so that you may not be led astray with them by the error of the lawless people and fall from your own steadfastness.*+ 18 No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

      • clueless. ?

        • Patrick Langat

          @D34D 4L!3N World events do not seem to provide a clue about the pushing between the king of the north and south, no clue about impending 666 number at the moment, and several others, let’s review the clues again in about 5 years or so, let’s not be disappointed if it’s not very soon because such may surely happen in our lifetime.

          • Burt Reynolds

            The pushing between the two kings is very evident if you look into world events. But even if you were right, the pushing can come overnight, in an instant. Why? Because the elements that would cause the combustion are, and have been for years, already there, from fuel to food, from gold to paper money, from interest rates to no interest rates, from Rothschilds to every world bank, from lunatic warmongers to impotent politicians, (politically at least, their moral standards leave a lot to be desired). The reference to 666 as a satanic symbol and register of events is so evident, I’m surprised that you mention it.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Crumbs! Is there any time you chaps in America are not rioting? We had a riot once in 1416, down in Cornwall, and a bit of a scrap in 1066. Other than that, apart from the odd world war, we don’t get that worked up about anything.

            • Patrick Langat

              @Burt Reynolds, do you still think that “the pushing between the two kings is very evident if you look into world events” as you put it now that Trump seems to be warming up to Russia?

            • PARTY TIME !

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Patrick, we are not given to see or even comprehend the minutia of prophesy. If we were, it would not be prophesy but fact. We are given broad warnings, signs, expressions. Churchill Was correct when he referred to Russia as a ‘riddle wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, but perhaps there is a key, and that key is national interest.’ Thus it is with Trump and Russia, and thus it is with the bible, except that the key given us in the bible is faith. We will never foresee or understand the events before us today, until the conclusion of it all. Thus I don’t concern myself with anything other than that which we are given and I leave the conjecture and detail to those who derive some pleasure from it. I don’t myself. All I get is confused.

            • Patrick Langat

              Beautifully said Burt, thanks for enlightening points.

        • Patrick Langat

          @DA, the election of Trump seems to provide a clue that world war is on the back burner, the global economy seems to be set to recover.

          • Party Like It’s 1999

          • DA

            “the reinstatement of Glass Steagall bank separation, which Trump openly embraced”
            ? Daniel 11:40

            see article The Presidency of Donald Trump – https://e-watchman.com/presidency-donald-trump/

            Tyre & Egypt are not going to recover untill after first going into the abyss. ongoing daily living with governmental/economic relative ups an downs is moot. go with what the scripture says. read Isaiah 19:22

            https://larouchepac.com/20161109/global-shock-dead-system

            • ELiJAHx7

              Good one DA!

            • Patrick Langat

              Thanks DA, you’re soft on me these days. Let me read the references. Thanks for you reply.

            • DA

              youre welcome. now get off my lawn
              🙂

          • DA

            knowing the future results, such as the king fierce in countenance who prevails for a short time all the way to the last day of Jehovah, the clue seems to be incentive for the dark forces to push for their one thought. Rev 17:17

            The scene of this world is changing.—1 Cor. 7 :31

            we all know Egypt is going down because Jehovah said so. he will heal it as well. lets pray Jehovah have mercy on us and keep the prayer of Daniel in mind for our day today and also pray our flight not take in winter or an inconvenient time and that we not be lead into temptation

        • Beverly kenyon

          Harsh! Lol. Hope Patrick replies to you DA as I love the exchanges between you both…it’s like you’re both jousting but with words! But he can’t beat that classic of your’s…the Council of Pizzeria…it still has me in stitches laughing!

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Patrick, no one knows the time or the hour except Jehovah. Therefore speculation as to how events may turn out is pointless. However, the site is discussing world events as they relate to the bible, and warning is given as well as thoughts on why the warning is valid, both biblically and in secular terms. For example, it is pointless of a parent to warn their child not to run across the road without saying why. And even then, the child’s understanding of death may not be the same as ours. I recall my mother telling me not to stick my fingers into an electric socket as I would get a shock. Not knowing what that meant, I duly stuck my finger in and found out. Thus some speculation is valid in terms of illustrating what the outcome of any particular secular action may be, so that the gravity of the situation may be understood. Speculation in a balanced manner is worthy of further inspection when biblically based. Jesus said that we should keep awake because we do not know when the master is coming. Well, giving someone the heads up as to ‘this may be the beginning’ is justified. You may recall the words of Churchill when he spoke of the first victory in Africa where he said, ‘ this is not the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning.’ Everyone knew what he meant based on the facts. Well, based on the biblical facts, so should we. Nothing more than that really. That time is short depends on your view of time. Jehovah’s experience of time cannot be the same as ours, as clearly he can manipulate it. We cannot. So yes, time may be short and we are given the clues. But how short is short? How long is a piece of string? The command from the bible for all of us is to love Jehovah with all our heart and our neighbour as ourselves. So if we can ‘get right’ with Jehovah and our brothers, not a lot else matters. The tribulation for me is like waiting for a bus. It seemingly never comes, but then three turn up at once. Once everyone stops saying it’s coming, then it will come because Jehovah said it will come at a time that no one expects, so that no one, least of all the governing body, can say, ‘there, told you so.’ It’s a catch 22.

        • Kevin b

          Words of wisdom Burt. How true.

        • Patrick Langat

          Hello Burt, your explanation is beautifully put forth especially about speculation being valid, I like your analogue of waiting for a bus which seems never to come. I will be pleasantly surprised if the GT starts in a matter of months.

      • Matthew 25:131
        3 “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.

        Matthew 24:6
        You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

        Mark 13:7
        Moreover, when you hear of wars and reports of wars, do not be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

        Daniel 11:27
        “As regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to do what is bad, and they will sit at one table speaking lies to each other. But nothing will succeed, because the end is yet for the time appointed.

        Daniel 11:35
        And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

        Habakkuk 2:3
        For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      I appreciate that

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Only one word fantastic, but the sad part is the blindness of JW

  • Peggy Smythe

    @Patrick Langat, I tend to agree with you. Although I enjoy and have learned a lot from this web site, Robert has had this world going down for years now. I read the 1975 article not long ago, in which he basically said the system would go down by the end of 2015. Although this world is in bad shape, I think it can and will get much worse, before the end comes.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Peggy, key words in your post being the ‘world going down’…it is going to destruction,so if you take 2015 out Brother King is right! Burt is also right when he says all the combustibles are in place for as Jdab put it, ‘this baby could blow’! So I really hope Patrick is wrong in his estimate about the end happening in about twenty years or so because this world is bursting at the seams with Violence, sex crimes…rape is de rigueur in some countries where there is conflict, paedophilia is rampant, refugee crisis, famine, drugs, inequality, poverty, suicide…WHO has just announced that one million people a year kill themselves…the list is getting endless of how it is in this system. So I do hope even if the end should delay as spoken of in Habakkuk it’s still going to be bang on time

      • Peggy Smythe

        I do hope it comes soon, Beverly! So much suffering and misery in the world! But I think there is potential for it to be much worse, unfortunately.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Peggy, I totally agree with you..it really will get much worse! You and Patrick have brought up some really good points and there’s nothing wrong in speculating about the end of this system…it shows that we truly believe in God’s Kingdom and didn’t Jesus’ diciples and the early Christians do the same thing…we just have that burning hope in our hearts for it to come soon! Not just for selfish reasons but to see justice done and for the Kingdom to be finally established and for, ‘they will have to know I’m Jehovah.’ That US/Russia peace will not work…it’s all war, war, and some Jaw, Jaw as that old politician..can’t remember his name, put it in the past and then you’ve got us here in the West with our own set of problems…none of us are truly happy, there’s more reports of major earthquakes…everything is just bubbling! But despite the horror we’re witnessing we just have to wait patiently on Jehovah and his Son and the Kingdom and hope when it truly does kick off we’re found to be faithful and on the right side!

    • Leonard k

      here is the first clue brothers keep your eyes on the watchtower G/B JUST LOOK AT WHAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON WITH THEM ALL THE ABUSE TRIALS AND MUCH MORE GOING ON WITH THEM REALLY HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE THEY ARE TRAMPLED ON BY THE NATIONS AND TAKEN OVER BY THE DISGUSTING THING ITS COMMON SENSE THINKING JUST LOOK AT THE SIGNES. CAN ANY OF YOU HERE TRULY SAY TO ME THAT YOU DO NOT SEE THESE THINGS COMING VERY SOON IN LIGHT OF CURRENT EVENTS? LOOK AT CURRENT EVENTS TODAY CONCERNING THE WATCHTOWER G/B THEN READ THE SCRIPTURES AND YOU DECIDE FOR YOUR SELFS.

      2 Thessalonians 2:3

      3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

      Daniel 11:31

      31 And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. “And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.

      Daniel 12:11

      11 “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days.

      Ezekiel 11:21

      21 “‘“But as for those whose hearts are set to continue in their disgusting things and their detestable practices, I will bring the consequences of their way upon their head,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.’”

      • Just keep swimming!

        In the first century the Jewish families starting leaving Jerusalem as that….families or individuals, because they saw the disgusting thing. There wasnt a big trumpet blast that marked a big exodus as a group. They had to leave on their own volition. Haven’t we already seen enough disgusting things? The pedophile cover-ups and the UN apostasy? I have zero freedom of speech in my congregation anyway…I can’t speak scriptural truths. I almost think I would wake up more people if I was to be disfellowshipped for proclaiming my jealousy for my God Jehovah. Why can’t we get out of her NOW?????

        • Leonard k

          we can get out of her now by not following her ways. sure yes we live in this wicked world we work we pay taxes our children go to school in this system and right now we don’t have much of a choice about those things BUT we can follow jehovah’s directions and stay away from the things we and our children can avoid such as holidays voting and taking part in the military. we need to put Jehovah first in all things and what we need to follow his direction will be added to us that’s his promise. although I would like to take my family far away from the world and strictly live on every utterance out of the mouth of Jehovah that does not mean we should live in a cave. jesus gives us clear instructions from the mouth of Jehovah on how to deal with these hard to deal with critical times ahead and our only hope is to follow those instructions to the best of our ability and among all things remain faithful and endure.

          1 Timothy 6:11

          11 However, you, O man of God, flee from these things. But pursue righteousness, godly devotion, faith, love, endurance, and mildness.

          Psalm 117:2

          2 For his loyal love toward us is great; The faithfulness of Jehovah endures forever. Praise Jah!

          Titus 2:2

          2 Let the older men be moderate in habits, serious, sound in mind, healthy in faith, in love, in endurance.

          2 Timothy 3:10

          10 But you have closely followed my teaching, my course of life, my purpose, my faith, my patience, my love, my endurance,

          Psalm 100:5

          5 For Jehovah is good; His loyal love endures forever, And his faithfulness through all generations.

          Revelation 13:10

          10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.

          1 Thessalonians 1:3

          3 for we continually remember your faithful work, your loving labor, and your endurance because of your hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father.

        • ive said that before myself too

    • Although Jesus informed us that no one other than God knows the day and hour, certainly – as already stated – the 6,000th year is known by the spirits.

      This would explain how the demons know in advance when the time of the end will commence and why they are able to maneuver things so that they are able to trigger a war with push-button ease the moment they are hurled down from heaven.

      • i think of this scripture – Rev 2:21 “I have given her time to repent..”

      • Bklyn Kevin

        For sure the demons are aware of time frame of the end / appointed times or why else would the demons say’ {Did you come here to torment us before the “appointed time”?}

        Matthew 8:29
        And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God?
        Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?.

    • Patrick Langat

      @Peggy Smythe you’ve put it succinctly, I have saved and devoured each article written by @ewatchman since 2006, I was occasionally excited that we were months away from the end but now I have developed a balanced view of the end. I was a lurker in the days of sister Panda and others and here I am still watchful and waiting for the end.

      • Peggy Smythe

        Yes, I have been quite excited at times as well, thinking that Robert was right, how much worse can it get, but as much as I wish the end would hurry up and come, I have come to realize that Robert has no more insight on when the end will come than anyone else, and unfortunately, things could get much worse than they are now.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          I agree Robert has no more or no less insight than the next person of when that day and hour will start but nor do the angels in heaven as well as Jesus himself according to Mark 13:32.

          But nonetheless that day is still imminent and will burn like a fire and destroy all opposition in its path, because……
          “The anger of Jehovah will not turn back Until he has carried out and accomplished the intentions of his heart. In the final part of the days you will clearly understand this. Jeremiah 23:20.

          Jeremiah 25:
          31 ‘A noise will resound to the ends of the earth, For Jehovah has a controversy with the nations. He will personally pass judgment on all humans.*+And he will put the wicked to the sword,’ declares Jehovah.

          32 This is what Jehovah of armies says: ‘Look ! A calamity is spreading from nation to nation, And a great tempest will be unleashed from the remotest parts of the earth.

          33 “‘And those slain by Jehovah in that day will be from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be mourned, nor will they be gathered up or buried. They will become like manure on the surface of the ground.’

          34 Wail, you shepherds, and cry out! Wallow about, you majestic ones of the flock, Because the time of your slaughter and your dispersion has come, And you will fall like a precious vessel!.

          35 “Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning.

          Watchfulness (35-40)
          Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/luke/12/#v42012035

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hello Peggy, as Kevin says below, none of us have any foreknowledge of the day or the hour, but the fact that it is mentioned in broad terms in these articles does not make it the writers prophesy. What is reiterated here is what the scripture say primarily, the descriptions of the end, the state of man’s mind, and the secular evidence that brings weight to the scriptural forecast. Why else would the scriptures at 2 Timothy 3 cite the attitude of people for instance, and also, wars and reports of wars, faint out of fear. Why would the scriptures say keep awake? . All that is being done and written here is to illustrate as best a man may, what is happening and with, quite frankly, some considerable knowledge. However, for me, it does not need anyone to tell me that this world is on the verge of collapse……over population, food shortage, wars, restlessness, insurmountable debt, pollution, the seas rotting with garbage, the air unbreathable in major cities, and so on and so forth…..and the bible tells me less even than what I see! In fact the scriptures are indeed scant in detail, it is all left to the great chasm of faith left for us to bridge on our own. When someone does mention that this or that is coming from the bible and suggests outcomes, it does not detract from my faith but strengthens it, and I say Yes! Inside, someone else sees what I see, others feel it. It is near, he is at the gate. As I mentioned earlier, time is not the issue, it’s current is not in our control. You may be right for twenty years, you may be wrong and it may happen tomorrow. The important thing is that it will happen and if I am encouraged to keep my wits about me and my faith hopeful in the expectation of things hoped for but not seen, then I am grateful to whomesoever lends me that gift and the knowledge that I at least, am not alone. Let us not strain at the knat and swallow the camel or look at the man above the message. I don’t think this is an issue of insight as to the precise date of the end of days,…it is a mistake to say that, and neither is such claimed, but it is insight into the scripture and I have to say it, a whole lot more insight than I have seen in all my years of association with the watchtower since 1970.

          • Peggy Smythe

            Hello Burt….thank you for a very thoughtful post, and I agree that Robert has given us a lot of insight. But Robert has in the past, not just advised his audience to be ready because world conditions are ripe for the end to commence, he has implied that the end times will commence by such-and-such date. It is one thing to advise people to stay on the watch in faith, but he basically came out and said in the 1975 article, that the end would commence by the end of 2015, and there have been other instances where he said that we wouldn’t make it to the end of those years. He is considered by many to be a latter-day Prophet, and as such, he should be more careful in making such claims. Many people lost faith in Jehovah and left the WT because of faulty dates. I feel these statements are Watchtower-esque, and take away from his credibility.

  • Just keep swimming!

    I know I’m preaching to the choir, but isn’t it a bit crazy… paragraph 4 in tomorrows WT lesson. “When on earth Jesus said “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, ONLY the Father”…….(same paragraph) But Christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against Satan’s world. THUS, IT IS REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT JESUS NOW KNOWS WHEN ARMAGEDDON WILL OCCUR.” say what????

    • well you know that armageddon is the tell end from the begining; day one of Jehovah’s day. at the time he will know. cause seals will be opened but what he understands of the times and seasons now, who knows, but he and angels knew what they explaned in scripture with the 1,290 days etc.

    • LW

      Things just got real

    • LW

      And did you also notice this from the same lesson:
      Soon, Satan will deceive the masses into accepting a false sense of “peace and security.” He will mislead them into thinking that all is well on the world scene.

      Something to seriously consider, for ALL of us here…

  • Luke 22:19, 20

    19 Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” 20 Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

    John 1:2, 3

    2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
    What has come into existence

    n John 1:14

    14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

    Micah 5:2

    2 And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,
    The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah,
    From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,
    Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.

    John 17:5

    5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
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