The Watchtower’s Grand Climax Phallacy

//The Watchtower’s Grand Climax Phallacy

Tuesday, November 7

Oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you.Jas. 4:7.

As we near the end of this system of things, Satan wants us to relax our guard, to “be kind” to ourselves by carving out a niche in this world, thus losing our sense of urgency. Do not let that happen to you! Instead, “keep on the watch.” Never believe Satan’s deceptive propaganda that the end is far off—or that it is not coming at all. Satan tries to have us believe that from God’s standpoint we are unlovable and our sins are unforgivable. That is all part of Satan’s deceptive propaganda. After all, who is particularly and really unlovable in Jehovah’s eyes? It is Satan. Who is really unforgivable? Again, it is Satan. But the Bible assures us: “God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name.” Jehovah appreciates our efforts to please him, and our service is not in vain.  So let us not be fooled by Satan’s deceptive propaganda.

While it may be true that opposing the Devil works on an individual level, what about as an organization? What if the Devil’s propaganda is channeled through that which is accepted as Jehovah’s visible organization? Indeed, as we near the end of this system Satan wants to relax our guard and imagine that the Governing Body has taken care of everything for us –that salvation is as simple as underlining the correct answer in the Watchtower. Satan has been amazingly successful in deluding Jehovah’s Witnesses into believing that Christ has already come —that virtually everything foretold in prophecy is over and done. Yes, indeed, may all keep on the watch, as Christ exhorted. But watch for what?

As an example of the successful operation of the deluding influence Jehovah’s Witnesses are under, according to the Watchtower the only thing left on the prophetic agenda –other than the war of Armageddon –is the end of the iniquitous harlot of Babylon. And so, over and over and over again, the Watchtower proclaims that soon the UN will attack false religion. It matters little that the United Nations could not possibly accomplish such a thing as long as national sovereignty exists. The Watchtower says it and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe it.

But ask yourself a simple question —What would happen if the UN were to launch a program to eradicate religion in the present political environment? Do you think for a moment that churchgoers in America, or Islamists in the Middle East, or Hindus in India, would allow the blue helmets to invade their nations and shut down their various places of worship? It can never happen —not without a radical change in the present structure of society —a re-arrangement of the ordering of civilization itself.

But Jehovah’s Witnesses will respond, ‘yes, but the Bible says that God will put it into their hearts to carry out his deed.’ And that much is true.

However, the delusion has to do with the fact that the Watchtower claims the beast has already recovered from a death blow and the eighth king has ascended from the abyss. Thus, there is no scriptural basis for expecting anything other than what the Watchtower claims. And the reason the Watchtower is compelled to push the ridiculous notion that the governments of the US and Britain were slaughtered during the First World War, even though by all accounts the Anglos and their allies were victorious, is because the fatal wound is inflicted on the ruling head of the beast as a result of the ouster of Satan from heaven, which, of course, occurs when the Kingdom comes to power. Satan’s intention is to delude God’s people into believing Christ has already come —that his parousia has begun.

Nearly 30 years ago the Watchtower published a commentary on the book of Revelation called Revelation —Its Grand Climax at Hand! It wasn’t anything particularly groundbreaking —as a matter of fact, it was simply a rehash of what had appeared in the Then is Finished the Mystery of God, published in 1969. (Not to be confused with The Finished Mystery that was the seventh installment of the Studies in the Scriptures series, published in 1917.)

What is different about the Grand Climax publication is that it contains lots of illustrations, some of which are demonic subliminal images. Not only that, but the very name Grand Climax is charged with sexual suggestion. But it’s worse than that. “Grand climax” is the name of a satanic holiday, wherein the Devil’s devotees practice revolting sex worship reminiscent of the disgusting false worship described in the Bible. Surely, this is no coincidence. (Google “grand climax” and prepare to be shocked.)

I concede that on the face of it a coincidence is possible. But given that the Watchtower has a long history of being over-reached by occult influence, from Russell’s pyramidology, the winged sun emblem that appeared on the Studies in the Scriptures, the demonically channeled Angels and Women that Russell endorsed, and more recently the Eye of Horus congress hall in Silkeborg, it is apparent that the leadership of the Watchtower has been infiltrated by a coven of demon-worshipers. Call them masons, Illuminati, whatever. Doesn’t matter.

But the sigils and “Grand Climax” nod to the Devil are just a fingerprint —a clue that “the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work,” as Paul foretold. Indeed, while boasting of being the source of true worship, the Watchtower gives place to the Devil. The most nefarious aspect of Satan’s influence is that the Watchtower has not only successfully counterfeited the parousia, the organization has been elevated to the place of God’s Kingdom and become the modern equivalent of the ancient high places of false worship.

How can Jehovah’s Witnesses successfully oppose the Devil when he has insidiously inserted himself into the center of “true religion”? The fact is, they cannot.

Speaking from a point in the future Jehovah invites certain men to approach for the judgment. Through Isaiah Jehovah says: “But as for you, come closer, you sons of a sorceress, you children of an adulterer and a prostitute: Whom are you making fun of? Against whom do you open your mouth wide and stick out your tongue? Are you not the children of transgression, the children of deceit, those who are inflamed with passion among big trees, under every luxuriant tree, who slaughter the children in the valleys, under the clefts of the crags?” –Isaiah 57:3-5

The context indicates that those whom Jehovah addresses as “sons of a sorceress” are among his people in the run-up to the revelation of Jesus Christ. That is evident from verse 14, which repeats a familiar theme —that of preparing a way for Jehovah.

The modern children of transgression practice a form of demon worship, just like their Israelite predecessors. They are children of a prostitute, in that, they pass themselves off as the anointed offspring of the woman, but they are the Devil’s spawn. Or as Jesus revealed in connection with the congregation of Thyatira, there are spiritual children of the demon-worshipping Jezebel within his congregation up to the point Christ throws them into great tribulation. The children of Jezebel have sacrificed the innocence of thousands of children on the organizational altar, as if slaughtering them on a crag by offering them up to pedophiles, which the Watchtower has shielded for decades. 

“The children of deceit” is an apt description of those who have tirelessly worked to convince Jehovah’s Witnesses that the mystery of God was finished back in 1914 and they are the keepers of all sacred truth.

Jehovah continues: “With the smooth stones of the valley is your portion. Yes, these are your lot. Even to them you pour out drink offerings and offer gifts. Should I be satisfied with these things?  On a mountain high and lofty you prepared your bed, and you went up there to offer sacrifice. Behind the door and the doorpost you set up your memorial. You left me and uncovered yourself; you went up and made your bed spacious. And you made a covenant with them. You loved sharing their bed, and you gazed at the male organ.”

Idolatry takes many forms. It doesn’t matter if it is a crude pile of stones, a chiseled phallus, a person or a sophisticated organization. Anything that diminishes God’s place in our heart is idolatry. And the leaders of Bethel have most assuredly poured out their drink offerings and gifts —ostensibly to God, but really to the Watchtower idol.

As if placing their memorial behind the door, or as the NIV words it, “behind your doors and your doorposts you have put your pagan symbols,” the sons of the sorceress have hidden their magical sigils in conspicuous places. And in plain view, as if on a high place, Jehovah’s Witnesses are made to gaze at demonic subliminal images and hold in reverence a book that pays homage to the grand climax of phallic worship. It is true, the sons of the sorceress love sharing a bed with the demons.

Come, Lord Jesus!

2017-11-07T09:18:48+00:00 November 7th, 2017|Commentary|163 Comments
  • Paul H

    Wow, I had to google “grand climax” for myself…I couldnt believe it…
    In my memories I saw myself at the weekly book-study with the red Revelation book in my hands…If i remember correctly it was the same book that contained the image of the thief stealing the Illuminati pyramid, running off with his loot…

    “He who gazes at the male organ”: Its not a coincidence that there are huge “male organs” being publicly displayed in the form of giant obelisks all around the world…For example: the Vatican, Washington DC and of course ancient Egypt was filled with obelisks… There is no such thing as coincidence when it comes to occult symbolism.

    It seems to me that from the moment the angels noticed that the daughters of men were good looking, many of them became obsessed with Jehovahs gift of reproduction/sex which was only given to humans and not to angels. I think that this obsession resulted into things such as satanic sexual rituals, obelisks and other forms of occult sexual references going back thousands of years.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Yeah that’s what it is I had the same thought but you did it. Good 100/100 to you.

    • Simpletruth

      Yes I believe it is the same book with the thief!!! And I’m sure you are right that the angels coveted women and sex. I guess the saying ‘always want what we can’t have’ holds true for them as well huh?? This whole spiritual warfare thing is so crazy isn’t it? It’s amazing that the witnesses, although they talk about how cunning and clever he is, have no clue about the devil’s crafty ways. He will stop at nothing to profane God’s name!

    • Actually, the Live Forever book has the thief with the Illuminati pendant. Both are red though. The Grand Climax has the demon claw hand and the demon face in the hand of Christ

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sb6AA-Mhlro/VJ10cNLyIoI/AAAAAAAAARQ/jySBYmmuD2g/s320/2222222222222222222.jpg
      https://e-watchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/clawhand-2.jpg

      • KB

        I can’t believe I didn’t see any of this back then. We even studied it 3 times I think.

        • Don’t feel badly. I conducted the book study three times. I didn’t have a clue either. lol The thing is, I think it must be Jehovah’s time to pull the curtain back and reveal the evil as a preliminary to the hammer falling.

        • trudy

          We were kept busy reading this rubbish …I put another picture of the goat in one of there books ..That is how they work they take the mick out of us and are laughing because they have made us asleep ..That sis how they work and they know there is nothing you can do because they control the mass ..and that is why its hard to awke the sleeping JWS ..its funny my mate said she could not understand why we had so many images in the religion ? she is a teacher //more Christian then many and was conned by a jw over 10 k ..

      • (face?) 😕 eazy on the microdosing https://tinyurl.com/ybm825up

        check out touchups of pictures in My Book of Bible StoriesStories

      • Craig Knight

        There is some ex JW woman on youtube who has a bunch of pictures from song books to the watchtowers etc, with all these pictures within pictures. I have seen this on several other websites as well. There are definitely some evil things going on in spiritual paradise.

        • trudy

          what the name of the youtube ?

          • Craig Knight

            Kim and Mike show a lot of those images and I have to see if I can find the other lady’s site.

            • trudy

              yes here is the goat but RK has put a load of pictures up .The light is getting brighter and brighter .. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a30611dcafbf5aea12a93c58ffcf6e76676ffbc02ec82ab9613e25cb7d627247.jpg

            • Craig Knight

              Trudy hi! – You said RK has these subliminal pictures up on his site. Where would I find them?

            • trudy

              He put on the Horus youtube a few ..There are loads if you just put on youtube or in google .It would be good if he found as many and people could look for ref ..I mean it would help newer people to understand ..We have to understand that there are many and they are worn down by it all and the tower is terrible with the book the whole shebang …what have we been in …it unbelievable ..crazy is the word ..

            • Craig Knight

              Trudy – yeah I have seen tons of stuff on the internet for all these subliminal messages and pictures. Pretty insane isn’t it? I have a link to the Grand Climax book let me know if you can open it. It’s in pdf.

              http://da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/PDF/Old%20Publications/2006%20-%20Revelation%20Its%20Grand%20Climax%20At%20Hand%20-%20book.pdf

            • trudy

              Craig ,Oh I found today in that climax book the sun behind the watchtower you should see my post ,I put it on yesterday .I put some other points up on this.I will be digging for more ..

            • trudy

              oh yes the cross is a phallus and the crown female …I was looking into it .the square is the female and the compass the male with the g in middle all sex worship freemasons … which is why they did the grand climax book ..think I prangs of distress birthing pains instead a frill of enjoyment end ..so to speak ..
              I was thinking also that now ex jw going into halls and confronting elders ..was going to come and the watchtower knew it ..so this would create a false tribulation on the faithful watchtower followers interesting ..but they are just questioning things .The bunkers was a sowing seed to the awake ex jws and the sleeping jws ..They got the whole thing sewn up .

      • Song of Hannah

        Maybe that’s why it’s called “Revelation – It’s Grand Climax AT HAND”? 🤔🧐

        • Richard Long

          Hannah, It’s probably a testimony to how worldly I am, but I don’t know if I could say that line with a straight face.

      • Mikey Brown

        Revelation 2:27 states, “And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.” – KJV. If you notice, the drawing the Jehovah’s Witness depicted above, Jesus has a wooden scepter while the demonic hand behind him has the iron one. This is a subtle attempt at blasphemy that probably no JW ever caught unto until they researched and finally saw THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUTH (who the JWs are truly worshiping). There are depictions like this all throughout their publications. Oh and on a separate note, the hand gesture in your first picture, that’s a masonic gesture. You can find it online.

    • Richard Long

      “male organs” being publicly displayed in the form of”…

      church steeples. cathedral spires. minarets. wat towers. watchtowers.

      • disraeligears

        On the money Richard, good call.

      • Richard Long

        Taking the occasion to disavow the upvote from warex, a filthy porn pusher.

      • trudy

        Yes the watch tower remind me of the Muslim call towers minarets

  • “according to the Watchtower the only thing left on the prophetic agenda –other than the war of Armageddon –is the end of the iniquitous harlot of Babylon”

    yeah because the Watchtower doesnt know the concept of fall. the Harlot fell in 1919 the same time the image was made but then that image fell but then in 1945 she came out of the abyss and another image was made… whatever

    https://e-watchman.com/upon-the-watchtower/

    https://e-watchman.com/e-watchman-versus-the-watchtower/

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Vow nice

  • Sandy

    for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved —
    I always questioned the Revelation book title – having read many of the very old publications one can definitely notice the rehashing of information ……the mixing of correct interpretation of scripture and the incorrect interpretation of scripture – to reinforce demonic agendas that the weeds have carefully constructed for creating a people not for God — but a people ignorant of God’s righteous principle
    How does a God loving person LOVE THE TRUTH ? Not by blind obedience to men but rather by making sure of ALL things.
    And prayer is required to understand … too much information is one way of Satan confusing a person – zoning in on the correct information and research requires God’s help – and knowing the Bible well.
    Because of the selfish agenda of commercial and religious entities we need to research just about everything – from spiritual things to things fleshly = like eating Garlic for health instead of the chemicals and drugs…….
    Thank you Robert for the research and the timely information.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Your reply is good. I appreciate you.

    • “too much information is one way of Satan confusing a person” and hiding and twisting info is another

    • Marisa Gomez

      Jajaja… Te final verse is funny

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Fantastic article. Santic idiots inside the temple of Jehovah? Come Lord Jesus Christ to kick those idiots out.

  • in my stong opinion, the WB&TS had no intention to use the word climax other then the timeline of events just as any story book’s writing are many times described in the same way. im sure there are hardly any witnesses that have ever had that sex jive even enter their mind. i know i never have. its commonplace with storylines

    • “Climax” by itself is not the offending word. Grand Climax is the name of a satanic holiday.

      • yeah i know. (there, fixed it.)
        like you said, given the track record and that MOL’s sit in among Jehovah’s flock, we can speculate it could be more then coincidence

  • KB

    Well, to me, this sounds like one of your harshest condemnations of the Watchtower yet. It makes me think of the scripture at Isa 52:11 Turn away, turn away, get out of there, touch nothing unclean! Get out from the midst of her, keep yourselves clean, You who are carrying the utensils of Jehovah.

    I can’t help but feel kind of confused about any association with the organization or going to the meetings at this point. Is it time to walk away from this unquestionably wicked organization? Or are we to continue to turn a blind eye to it?

    • Paul H

      As far as i know Paul didnt write to the Corinthians that they should leave the congregation because of their “superfine apostles” which were amongst them… I think Paul meant that they should not turn a blind eye and we should be careful because of the deluding influence…Same goes for the current times we live in.

      • Heb 13:17
        Heb 13:13
        Heb 10:25
        Jer 13:15
        Act 5:29

        • Janklin Roosevelt

          These scriptures would also apply to Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, Christadelphians, etc?

          • Mormons huh? last i checked they call themselvs Mormon for a reason and dont believe in the bible because its not accurate, and believe in fables and endless genealogies of some different gospel some angel from heaven told them, they baptize the dead, think Jehovah is Jesus, believe God was once a man before he became a God, believe we all were once a spirit in heaven before being born as a human but we lost that memory so God could tempt us with evil as humans, quakers live on the moon, if you dont pay tithing you burn in hell, known for their illuminati practices, and everything you can think of that doesnt have anything to do with reality of the truth. so what do you think? yeah Satan sure has made a lot of counterfeit religions that look like those scriptures apply to, didnt he.
            no it doesnt apply to them, christianity and christendom are two different things. it applies to true Christains.

            Read 👉 https://e-watchman.com/antichrist-coming/

            Read 👉 https://e-watchman.com/when-you-catch-sight-of-the-disgusting-thing/

            • Richard Long

              Way to welcome the new person, DA. What IS that thing Christians are known by?

            • The Raven

              Hi, DA how are you doin? I thought I knew a good bit about Mormons but that’s way out there! I didn’t know some of those beliefs. You’re right. A quick search proves it. No wonder an old friend couldn’t even discuss this without saying, ” yeah, I know, it’s complicated! ” all the time! He eventually came into the truth.
              Thanks for that comment and I agree Satan knows scripture and how to use it to his advantage.

          • Richard Long

            Hi Janklin. Welcome to eW., make yourself at home and try to ignore the cranks with no manners. Some of us were born in barns and others live in cars… literally. If you have questions feel free to ask.

            • Burt Reynolds

              How on earth can you say that about people of their living arrangements or place in society, even if it were in jest? We should have the utmost respect for those fallen on hard times and those of varying backgrounds whoever they may be and whatever level of their experience in society. None of us are even worthy of life and yet you feel free to make a statement like that, or even have the right to say it? I’m shocked. Dismayed even.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              “In a certain city there was a person who had no fear of God and no
              “respect for man”.

              I tell you, he will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this [TRUE] faith on the earth?”
              will not God cause justice to be done for his chosen ones who cry out to him day and night,

              He also told this illustration to some who trusted in their “own righteousness”
              and who considered others as nothing:

              “Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
              The Pharisee /[PERSON] stood and began to pray these things to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like everyone else—extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.
              I fast twice a week; I give the tenth of all things I acquire.’

              But the tax collector, [OTHER PERSON] standing at a distance, was not willing even to raise his eyes heavenward but kept beating his chest, saying, ‘O God, be gracious to me, a sinner.’

              I tell you, this man went down to his home and was proved more righteous than that Pharisees Because everyone who exalts himself will be humiliated, but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”Read more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/luke/18/#v42018009-v42018014

            • Richard Long

              How do you know what I said if you’re not peeking. Hypocrite!

            • You rebuke someone for supposedly being rude to a new comer, but you insult the longtime commenters here. I don’t get it.

            • Richard Long

              Read what he said. If you believe it applies to me pull the trigger, as I am of no use to you. I do believe I have overstayed my welcome and I thank you for both your sharing of what you see and the hospitality you have shown to me.

            • As near as I can tell BK merely quoted verses from the Bible. And Dr. M related some wacky Mormon beliefs in reply to someone who equated JW’s with Mormons – not even claiming to be a Mormon. So, like I said, I don’t get it.

            • The Raven

              I read what he said and NO WHERE was DA being anything you accused him of You need to get off this pulpit of yours and STOP insulting and attacking people for NO reason other than they disagree with your views. HYPOCRITE! Save that for yourself. To raise the alarm among some of the most kind and considerate souls here says something about YOU man! You have consistently twisted peoples words, maligned them for facetious purposes and have the gall to claim to speak for others when your only objective is to use any excuse you can to denigrate some long time folks here?
              I unblocked you just to see why these fine people are so outraged at your comment. I see why now. Kevin has and always will be here for everyone and anyone who needs or wants help. That’s just TOUGH if you don’t like it and it seems your need to be the center of attention here is finally getting the better of you. Daring Robert to pull the trigger shows exactly who you are man. get over yourself and stop contorting everything people say to post a wall of scroll to justify your “CACK”. Fer crying out loud!

            • Southern ShaSha

              Well, here goes Richard. If I were inclined to ignore this slander and name calling it would tear away at my conscience. We are in this world to show praise and live our lives to the best of our ability in love and respect for our Heavenly Father and His beloved Son and savior Christ Jesus. 2nd most important is to love our neighbor, in this case our brother as ourselves. In our prideful command of the scriptures we have somehow forgotten the most important command of all.

              Kevin, in any case shows by the love, effort, support and help to others, needs no defense by me but I’ll give it anyway. He is a true friend and lover of Jehovah and Jesus, and being just that is always available to set matters straight by use of the scriptures only, not a bunch of rhetoric and personal opinion. He is a friend, by definition in his efforts to help all in their search of scriptural truth, and isn’t that what each of us are here for? The Pharisees also had great command of scriptures but contrary to the real meaning, heartfelt love in interpretation was not in them.

              Hopefully we can all look at the words we speak, regardless of how clever we believe we are, to have value based on bible knowledge! Now have at me!!!

            • Richard Long

              I am glad to know that you have unconditional love for your brothers, ShaSha. Can you please describe in detail the thought process you have used to determine which one to side with and which to accuse. Show ONE WORD of slander I have used against Kevin.

            • The Raven

              How about saying that he had his head up his colon for one? Come off it man you’ve been on a tear since you don’t think there are going to be consequences for this. Don’t mistake Robert’s patience for condoning your behavior here man. Frankly I can’t imagine what’s happened with you but I’m past the point of caring anymore after these past few months of reading this . Sha Sha is right. So are the others.

            • Richard Long

              I can say that because bad behavior is bad behavior period. I myself am the one “born in a barn” literally rushed to a rural clinic without adequate facilities when I “interrupted” a picnic my parents were attending.

              The other reference was specific to the individual who did so rudely accost our new arrival, and an accurate understanding of that one’s situation would have you know those living conditions exist by choice far more than by circumstance.

              It is true “none of us are even worthy of life”, and equally true “and yet you feel free to make a statement like that” , and I do claim to “the right to say it?” because it needed to be said. I am no more important than anyone else, and no one else is more important than me.

              May I remind YOU that my arrival here was met by JS on the front porch with a shotgun blasting both barrels and the brand of the buckshot was named “Burt”. And a case of mistaken identity at that.

              Save your shock and dismay for the way our new guest was greeted by an established contributor to this blog who should know better.

              RL

            • Observing Quietly

              Richard Long…you brought back a childhood memory of as youngsters my brother and I would race into the house and often forget to close the door behind us. I can still hear my mother yelling out “Close the door Barnhouse!” Thanks for that Richard, my mom has been gone for more than 10 years, but that was a warm fuzzy memory!

    • Observing Quietly

      Good questions KB. You have to make your own choice. No one can tell you to stay or to go. That is the true beauty of free will. My husband and I have fled to the mountains. We have chosen to stand outside the Org and watch, waiting for Christ to act.

      • KB

        I wish it could be that easy for us.

        • Observing Quietly

          Please, don’t assume it was easy for us. We just had the experiences and situations that opened our eyes before you did. It took several years before we reached that decision and those were not “easy’ years. My heart is with you and I have faith you will do what you feel is right between you and Jehovah. After all, that’s all that really counts.

          • KB

            I certainly didn’t mean to imply it was easy for you both to leave. Between my wife an I, we must have 50 family members in the “truth”. It’s a lot of backlash to deal with. I’m about at a point where I just don’t give 💩 anymore. I don’t care what people think. On the other hand, my wife is a people pleaser. The time will soon approach when it’s clear to leave I believe.

            • Observing Quietly

              KB, I understand about having family members still in and that’s the reason we chose to just “fade” as Geoff Jackson called it. They still talk with us and will to a limited extent discuss scriptural things. But it is still a matter of walking on egg shells so they don’t close their ears.

            • #savekevin

              ‘The time will soon approach when it’s clear to leave I believe.’
              And that is the time you will use discernment to flee. Not at a time urged by someone else. As Robert said, if it’s a supportive congregation and you see no urgency to leave, then remain. If, however it’s got to the point where you only see flaws, corruption and lies, then it’s time to act. I subtlely pointed out errors I saw over a period of time. Before long the family agreed. My wife and daughter continued for a couple more months, but could not continue once the full realisation kicked in. We made no announcement but instead just faded. It’s been nearly 2 years, but we still have our friends call in regularly even though they know we’re not coming back. They don’t even mention WT, don’t try to place anything. They have a cup of tea and walk our garden, and we’re still good friends.

            • (individual circumstances)

            • #savekevin

              Exactly

            • trudy

              I believe you leave when you are true in your heart …about not believing in a lie ..because the ones who stay did not have the love of the truth !!!
              and to touch a unclean thing. Its full of dead mans bones .. As someone says is Jehovah changing his mind on teachings or is it Jehovah is not talking to the GB ….I think the last one don’t you ..

            • Richard Long

              KB, did you ever read the self-penned account of Daniel Genser?

              Not a particularly satisfying outcome, but an excellent perspective on this particular issue grieving you so deeply.

              https://medium.com/@danielgenser/what-i-believe-to-be-true-and-how-i-have-come-to-believe-it-13df821c3ed

            • KB

              Yes I have. Thanks.

            • Richard Long

              Copy. He just happens to be the rascal that broke my 1914.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hi KB…i belive that many of those who still attending the meetings in JW Kingdomhalls,has already left…they have left in their minds…
              and i think they do so in many wayes…what matters is where our mind is…

              We all know that our days “leaving” was foreshaddowed when Jerusalem was destroyed in the year 70 …and that Jesus had advised them to flee to the mountains..

              Where is the “mountains” that we should flee to in our days?
              How and when should we “flee” ?
              This is questions we would like to know the answer to i guess…

              Well i do not know the answer but i am happy to tell you my dear brother and anyone else who may read this,that i know about a brother who left absolutley ALL human organisations of all kind some years ago….but Jehovah and Jesus the Christ never left him…
              He first felt that he lost everything…family,friends,all my privileges …
              So yes he really left it all behind and ran to the “mountains”
              He found real refuge and comfort in between two enormous solid “mountains” that are mentioned in the book of Zechariah cap.6:1 “Then i looked up again and saw four chariots coming from between two mountains and the mountains were of copper.”

              I beliwe this is the “mountains” that we in our days are supposed to flee to…in our mind and by our heart…and i belive Jehovah and Jesus the Christ is those two mountains…many are already there and many are on their way…

              Anyway…our redeemer and sheeperd is the most kind and caring that is…he is indeed interested to find and care for every single little “lamb” …if only one get “lost”…ore have the feeling of beeing lost..he will leave all the 99 and go night and day to find those who are “lost” and ever lift them gentley up an carry them all the way “home”…and not only that…than he will make a feast for this “lost” ones..

              Jesus is the one who leads us where the “green grass” is …if we belive it 🙂

            • KB

              You are correct. When I go to the meeting, its in body only. My mind is elsewhere. No privileges to loose because the elders won’t give me any because I grew a beard. It’s for the best because my heart is no longer involved in the JW religion. It’s all about Jehovah and Jesus and not a man made organization.

            • trudy

              What would happen if a woman grew a full beard ..there is such a things with a condition that can happen ..What would the elders do ?
              How can these men have such control over body hair ..I mean …really how weird is that !!
              The Muslim religion they to have a things about body hear …

            • KB

              The only control they have is what you are willing to give over to them. I think they got the message loud and clear that I don’t care what anyone thinks.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Body hair does have significance in bible terms; the levitical priesthood being one such case. Women and the beauty of their hair, being used as another case. But there are no such restraints on us today, other than modesty in all things. The fact of the matter is as far as women with beards go, is that it is a genetic fault. In terms of discrimination in today’s world, the way that problem is dealt with by the sufferer is up to them, and it is we who have to give leeway. But the problem is, is that we don’t. Disability is disagreeable to society, even though solutions to it are publically applauded. One only (generally) finds out the true extent of that when they themselves are disabled, and the unseen disability, being the most discriminated against of all. As for the watchtower in this matter, generally, most witnesses pass off disability with glib references to paradisiacal perfection. The bethelite writers, often having no insight whatsoever in their closed community and thus doing considerable damage to sufferers world wide.
              However, try not to get bogged down in the faults of the watchtower. It’s wrongdoing is clear to all who are awake and the times we live in will also be made clear to those who are asleep. For now, the emphasis is on strengthening our faith, because one day, everyone will know about the watchtower and the message of its wrongdoing will die with it. At that point, all we will have is our faith in what we store up now from the bible. We can neither hurry or rejoice over the demise of the watchtower. It is not for us to do anything other than get out of it at the appointed time. Between then and now, we need to strengthen our own faith, and those around us, and of those still locked in darkness.

            • Craig Knight

              Burt – speaking of beards, did you get to download the Grand Climax book? I put a link up to download a copy. You said a while back you wanted to read about the two witnesses. Well it’s all there. I still have the link if you can’t find it. Cheers.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes thanks Craig. That was very thoughtful f you. I’m going through it gradually . It was published some time after I left and it brings back memories….

            • Craig Knight

              Not allowing Brothers to have a beard is just another silly rule by the GB not backed by scripture. I have a beard and love it and I always hated that idiotic rule based on nothing as usual.

            • trudy

              Did you see the watchtower in the circle (SUN) with the bible in the rev book I put on here ..You were asking about freemason stuff in the books .

          • trudy

            Maybe this all about brother will be against sister ,mother against son etc …Can you see it ..you choose the right road they will hate you …rather then if you stay your against everyone else outside ..I mean the org does make people feel there better then anyone .. remember what did Mary say are you mad !!! the org says people who leave are mentally diseased now look how they are doing what Mary did !!

      • The voice

        The question I still ponder is the preaching work. Do we as active witnesses continue knowing full well the eventuality if these people make it to baptism they are obligated to a organization and not to God. Or when we preach should we just do our best in informing people about scripture and not using the literature

        • KB

          The preaching work IMO is a way for the JWs to associate with each other and stroke each other’s egos. It’s more of a look at me I’m out in service, putting Jehovah first attitude rather than looking for sheep in the field. If you pioneer you get your name called out once a month at the meeting and everyone claps regardless of whether or not you get your time. In my Kingdom Hall, pictures are posted of the service group at parks and break areas, and singing songs in the car like its happy hour or something. It’s just different than when I was younger and would walk an entire street for two hours straight. I know pioneers who supposedly spend 70 hours a month for 5,6,7 years who don’t have calls or studies. It’s clear service is not what it once was. I would bet out of the billion plus hours spent in the ministry 20%-40% was on break drinking coffee. As for the 2 baptismal question, the leadership of the organization will have to answer to Jehovah for that.

          • trudy

            I just seen John cedars new clip on YouTube about another fake 20th c all preaching work would be done but they changed the mag for the mag and wiped there old doctrine out .So you will see this all done in there on line org ..its to consummated to even look at there trash .

        • Paul H

          That’s a
          tough question indeed. Since 1985 the Watchtower has implemented the extra
          question towards all candidates who are being baptized which states that they
          will be identified as a JW who is associated with the Watchtower Organization.
          I don`t believe that the baptism of all candidates who were baptized since 1985
          are considered as “fake” in the eyes of Jehovah because of the fact they all
          answered “YES” when they were asked this specific question before their baptism.
          Baptism is a very personal thing between the person who gets baptized and
          Jehovah and Jesus, even though the Organization tried to hijack its way into
          the procedure which belongs exclusively to Jehovah and Jesus.

          We as simple humans cannot tell yet when exactly the era of preaching will come to an end. Time will tell. Until that moment arrives I think that the preaching work
          is still an obligation according to the Scriptures. We know we have to be
          innocent as doves and cautious as serpents. In doing so, we could avoid
          preaching about heavy subjects such as prophecy (1914) and only stick to the
          most basic Biblical truths which can also be found in most JW literature. If we
          are not cautious as serpents there will be a fair chance that we will end up being
          disfellowshipped for preaching against the WT doctrine, which will put us in an
          even worse position. However, as soon as the WT will fall and JWs will realize
          that the whole 1914 parousia is fake, panic will break out within the org. That
          will be the moment when Jehovah might use those who stayed within the congregation who know the real truth about prophecy in order to prevent other brothers and sisters from stumbling when the real test of faith commences and the great tribulation will start. Of course its everyone`s personal decision whether they
          already want to flee to the mountains or if they want to stand ground in the
          congregation for as long as possible while continuing the preaching work.

          • KB

            Great points. I feel an obligation to stay to help certain ones. Some of the real butt hole, self righteous JWs can figure it out on there own for all I care. The elders are not gonna want to relinquish their authority and continue to try to silence us about the real truth, so it’s gonna get ugly.

            • trudy

              I thought that I just got a JW come back after saying I was lying about ARC ..So I sent about the climax book and pointers of photos ..so lets see ..I told also your going have to decide with the org or Jehovah ..Its as simple as that .. .

          • Richard Long

            The Christian ministry is pretty simple once one gets clear of all the man made hoodoo.

            Matthew through Acts tells what happened.

            Revelation tells what will happen, making clear one can only prepare for it spirituality.

            Everything in between can be summed up in 10 words, namely:

            “You should not need me to be telling you this!”

            Bible is all you need, HS recommended, org not required. The end.

          • Observing Quietly

            Jehovah may also use those waiting outside the Org to welcome those lost sheep with open arms and explain to them what happened to their “beloved” organization. As to preaching….well what is the Org preaching these days? Behavior control seems to be the main topic. They don’t honestly discuss Christ’s incoming Kingdom and isn’t that what Jesus said to preach about? “This Good News of The Kingdom”? Mostly they are interested in behavior, how to control YOUR behavior and how to keep a lid on “company” secrets.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hello sister 🙂
              I belive you are correct in that Jehovah may have a plan to use those waiting on the “outside”….because He have done that many times in the past…

              It seems to be a pattern in this…to mention some examples : Josef was choosen by his father (and Jehovah)…his brothers hated him and sold him to slavery…sent him far away…ex-comunicated him and he became like dead for them.
              But we know that Jehovah arranged it all to happen this way to save the whole family of total 70 from the great famine (Gen.chapt.37-46)

              Another maybe not that well known account is in 2 Kings chapt.6-7…about the great famine in Samaria..
              In that case there was 4 lepers sitting outside the city…they was driven outside and nobody on the innside cared about them…they was looked down on because they were unclean…
              Once again…Jehovah rescued all those on the innside by using those 4 men on the outside…4 men who everyone new as those unclean ones…

              In both of these accounts a totally unexpected help was provided by Jehovah by using somone on the outside…
              Someone who the people on the “innside” looked at as dead ore unclean…those who they had driven out of their midst and even told them to go away…

              There are many more examples in the Bible with exactly the same patterns as these two accounts…
              And it is amazing to dive into all the detaljs and “see” all the paralells to our time..

              We are indeed very fortunate to have this great privilege to be part of this…it is way more than we deserve…to suffer for a little while now is nothing compared to all the happiness and joy that is prepared for us all 🙂

              The great spiritual famine has begun…
              Soon we will forget all our struggle and sufferings…happiness greater than we are able to imagine…tears of joy..when Jehovah and Christ Jesus allowe us to be part of the most loving and careing rescue-operation ever….

              We must stay close to the great provider of REAL spiritual food…Christ Jesus
              Get ready share all you got of spiritual food to all those who are hungry…:-)

        • Passi from B.C

          This is one of the reason I’m putting mine on hold. I don’t want the WT to feel like they own me especially when they mention “Associated with the organization”

        • when being baptized, it is done in a group answering yes or no questions along with everyone else. answer aloud or keep silent and speak to Jehovah from your heart. i doubt anyone will notice

          • Richard Long

            DA, You have just revealed that you have never underwent JW baptism. Have you even seen the questions in the organized book or studied to that point where an “objective” ELDER not your study conductor grills you on doctrine for no less than three studies before he will recommend you as a baptismal candidate? One would absolutely, positively have to lie in both commission and omission in order to navigate this process if they knew ttatt. Father and Christ would definitely notice.

            Please show your love for your brothers by limiting your advise to that which you have personally experienced, or at least qualify your opinion as uninformed when such is the case.

            Agape, RL

          • L.H.

            I did that in 1985

            • yeah although we recognize Jehovah uses his spirit to direct & organize, we have our yes mean yes and no mean no but if someone is uncomfortable answering out loud then there is nothing wrong with that because those questions were not asked in the first century and those witnesses around you reconize you are being baptized for the same reasons as those written in scripture and Jehovah knows your heart. after all, those mute also go through with it and if any ask you why you got baptized then simply tell the truth and use scripture that it is suitable for you to carry out what was righteous

        • Craig Knight

          Hi! – I have had opportunities to speak about God’s name and purposes to people I meet at work and also new friends that I have made over the years. Keep it simple at first and speak about God’s name and basic truth’s but preaching is still open to us. I had lunch with a friend a day ago and I just brought up religion and we talked for quite awhile. preaching doesn’t have to be done like robots marching down the street where nobody is home anyway. Steer them to God and the Bible and you don’t need literature from WT to do that.

    • Richard Long

      KB, for me the issue boils down to not whether one should stay or go, but whether one should ever have been in the first place. I found great clarity reading the exemplar of our faith in his own words. He told us that we were to be brothers – equals – and that those who might be inclined to lead would most properly demonstrate this by washing the feet of all the rest. When was the last time your feet were washed by the “organization”?

      There is no “clean” or “not wicked” organization to be found because to exercise authority over or “organize” another is by definition subornation of idolatry and by nature “unclean” and “wicked”. We have but one teacher, one head, the Christ. HS does not direct any “organization” It operates in individuals to the extent each asks for and receives it to make them of like mind to to it’s source, and that is how Jehovah’s will is accomplished through the direction of His chief agent.

      When we make the effort to systematically extricate all the WT cack from our reasoning, clarity emerges and confusion evaporates. Start with the first known lie and light it and every thing said afterward on fire. Hint: Particular to the JW religion, the first lie was told in 1874 when Russell, et.al. announced the “parousia”.

      I hope this helps you in your decision making process. May our Father bless you and our shepherd keep you!

      RL

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        Wow, Richard, all the reading you’ve done here and you don’t see that Jehovah uses whom he needs to ,to accomplish his purpose. I learned the truth because of the WT society, and of course, Satan would try to infiltrate Jehovahs people. ..if you hate us so much, why are you here?

        • Richard Long

          Cathii, Jehovah using whom he needs to in accomplish his purpose is no sign of his backing, blessing, or intimacy. I give you Nebuchadnezzar who Jehovah used to both annihilate and enslave “His people”. This is an example of Jehovah using the children of His ENEMY to accomplish his own purpose. Another is when He used the children of Satan who called themselves “Jehovah’s people” to perform the necessary execution of His son “to accomplish his purposes”.

          Like you, for over 25 years I had accepted the WT’s definition of “His people” and counted myself as one of them. Still do. Like you, as I lie in the bed I had made for myself according to the WT’s instructions it became apparent the mattress was too short and the sheet too narrow. Are you not also “here” because you have found the “truth” you have learned “because of the WT society” to be largely untruth? Are you not also “here” because you are desperately grasping for any straw to help you remain deluded that “the truth”, which you now knew to be founded on lies, might somehow still be the “the truth”?

          The us you refer to is ME, I am you, and there is no hatred, only regret at having willingly lived the lie for so long. I am here to pursue truth, aren’t you? Shall we saw our legs off and split ourselves down the middle in order to comfortably sleep in the old bed of lies, or acquire a properly dimensioned bed of truth that withstands scrutiny by honest searchers?

          May you always remain in the love of our Father and the care of our shepherd, Jesus. Please pray for me.

          RL

    • Craig Knight

      Hi KB – I got to the point where I was actually squirming in my seat at the meetings and I just couldn’t stand being there anymore. I left no one asked no one cared not even one elder. They are conditional friends, we will like you if….. My sister, brother and my Mother have not spoken to me for many years. So there are consequences but in my opinion worth it. Some day if we are loyal to God and not a group of old men we will be able to have peace with our loved ones once the smoke clears.

    • Frank Haensel

      That´s the same question I asked myself. As I mentioned here to Robert and others: In the Truth since 1971 – ALWAYS skeptical of the SLAVE back then. In about 2012 it became more and more difficult in the meetings. There was NO new information, just a regular increase of the idolatrous semi-worship of the governing body.
      I stopped going about a year ago now after getting the needed facts from the Watchman Post. My wife and grown girls still go and I try not to get in their way. I´m hoping that they too will start listening and searching. Their motivations are good and pure albeit naive.
      I couldn´t go back knowing what I know.

      • Burt Reynolds

        I’m sure it will all start to make sense to you family as the decline towards the end increases. They will even have more faith in you and your understanding, for having seen the truth before hand. Just carry on and remember the scripture that says the family will be saved by the one faithful within that family.

  • Craig Knight

    The children of Jezebel have sacrificed the innocence of thousands of children on the organizational altar. You are referring to the child molestation but I’m wondering why allowing children to die over the blood issue isn’t also considered sacrifice on the WT altar. The blood issue is a hot potato topic so I will just ask this question. Shouldn’t JW children be allowed to grow up to spiritual maturity before they are allowed to die for an issue they no nothing about? I have no problem dying for the blood issue. But little babies seems kind of sick to me. I’m still trying to make sense out of this. Child baptism is wrong so why should the blood issue for little kids be any different?

    • Paul H

      Abstaining from blood was a command from God himself and not specifically from the WT or
      its Governing Body. Therefore I think it wouldn’t be fair to label the blood issue as “a sacrifice on the WT altar”.

      • Craig Knight

        Yes I know that Paul but isn’t making a decision for a baby a bit different? The world see’s that as cruel and that reflect’s on God’s name. A grown up has the right to choose but a baby does not. I think this is a decision to be made after one’s baptism.

        Wikipedia:

        Some religions treat illness, both mental and physical, in a manner that does not heal, and in some cases exacerbates the problem. Specific examples include faith healing of certain Christian sects, the Christian Science religion which eschews medical care, and exorcisms.
        Faith based practices for healing purposes have come into direct conflict with both the medical profession and the law when victims of these practices are harmed, or in the most extreme cases, killed by these “cures.” A detailed study in 1998 found 140 instances of deaths of children due to religion-based medical neglect. Most of these cases involved religious parents relying on prayer to cure the child’s disease, and withholding medical care.[

        • Paul H

          The big difference is that the world views many things as cruel and unjust, just as the world also views a lot of things as “completely normal” which at the same time are an abomination in Gods eyes. How can you blame worldly people with zero
          Biblical knowledge for not understanding Gods laws and principles, since they haven’t
          got any hopes for a better future, nor do they believe in an earthly
          resurrection or in God himself even? How could you possibly expect those people to
          respect Gods laws or to have any sympathy for it? Those people view everything in their life according to worldly standards which differs them from people who try to
          follow Gods laws and principals. Those who follow Gods laws and principles will
          be greatly rewarded for their loyalty when the time comes. We all blame the
          Watchtower for not reporting pedophiles to the local police/authorities because
          the org thinks it might reflect in a negative way on JW`s, a congregation,
          their elders, the GB or Gods name…Wouldn’t it be hypocrite if we did the same
          thing concerning blood transfusions? In other words, being deliberately
          unfaithful towards God in order to gain a positive standing with worldly
          people who don`t care a single bit about Gods will?

          • Craig Knight

            Paul hi again! I appreciate you responding to my question. I have looked at many youtube videos of various so called Christian religions. And it seems only WT believes in blood transfusions. Even the Jews who are experts in the law are very careful not to eat animal blood and so have kosher meats but they have no problem with blood transfusions. Just yesterday I had lunch with a long time business acquaintance of mine and I brought up religion and we talked about blood and He was very well informed on Acts 15 and again said blood transfusions is not binding on Christians. This teaching comes from the WT alone. Most of us are here because we know that the UNIQUE teachings of WT are sometimes absurd like 1914 etc. Is this blood issue another absurdity that causes huge burdens on Christians unnecessarily? Jesus and his apostles ate wheat on the Sabbath to the chagrin of the Pharisee’s, they cured people on the Sabbath, Christ said leaving an animal in peril on the Sabbath was wrong. Jesus was essentially saying that life was more important than the Sabbath. The law was important but not as important as life itself. These are Jesus principal’s He taught about the law. Acts is the only place in the NT that mentions blood. When just one verse in all the New Testament is given and not supported anywhere else that should make us cautious. The Bible usually repeats a command two or three times for important issue’s. I’m trying to make sure of all things here as the Bible says and all I get back are name calling or emotional responses not based on scripture. The reply’s I get back are actually WT ingrained reply’s but no biblical support.

            • Richard Long

              And to round out your already sound reasoning Craig, Paul did not travel to Jerusalem to hash out dietary issues with the “leadership” nor to beg for their guidance. He traveled to Jerusalem with the authority of apostleship of Christ to lay down the law to his equals in the Jerusalem congregation from which the circumcision troublemakers plaguing the congregations in Asia Minor had originated.

              The Acts 15 statement from the Jerusalem elders carried no more ecclesiastical weight than what it was, namely, their compliance with Paul’s righteous demand that they disavow that circumcision nonsense stumbling new gentile believers.

            • Craig Knight

              Great points Richard. I wonder how Jesus views little babies being allowed to die when they are not even old enough to decide for themselves and are not baptized! Maybe WT should take up the infant baptism teaching so that then they can say “Hey it’s all good now you can let your infants die! Something smells south of cheese with this whole blood issue especially for children in my opinion.

            • Richard Long

              I’ve already said all I have to say on the “Jehovah’s Witnesses and blood” issue itself, and if you’ll recall, those statements both rejoiced in the continuance of your own life and condemned the org’s involvement in everyone else’s.

              I suppose I should adjust my previous statement(s) recalling a lifelong history of prayer expressing desire to avoid and gratitude for having never had to face that particular “test of faith” personally to include never having had to face it involving the heath and well-being of my children either. If you must have “too much information”, my children were likely never in danger, as my wife was never a JW. Why not? The blood policy, of course.

              One slight adjustment relative to those practicing Judaism and blood transfusion. They do not simply consider it permissible to save mortal life with this treatment when necessary. They consider it DUTY.

              Agape, RL

            • why would infant baptism make it so they can say its good for them to die?

            • Craig Knight

              Dr – I was being facetious my friend. Making fun of the Catholics. But my point is that children should not be forced to make any major decisions unless they are adults. Haven’t you heard stories from the Christian Scientists who let their kids die from not taking them to the Doctor’s. I used to hear those stories and think those people are nuts. Well, what do you think people in the world think when they hear about little babies being denied blood transplant and then dying? Many times the courts step in to protect the little kid. That makes JW’s look insane and cruel to the world. Baptism is something an adult makes after becoming informed and then making a decision to serve God even unto death. But kids in WT are at risk. Isn’t that a bad reflection on God who is supposed to be loving?

            • “children should not be forced to make any major decisions unless they are adults”

              yes true, adults should be forced to make decisions for children because they are parents or the (wizer) adult, so that (unwize) children should not be forced to on their own. and adults should not force bad decisions on children, like forcing them against scripture where it says “abstain from blood” knowing that Jehovah’s salvation is not through water baptizm but instead grace and faith. Ephesians 2:8

              i have heard of idiots that did things not of scripture, yes and i have also heard of those that did things befitting of scripture.

              i think that when a baby is denied blood it is because they have their babies best interest for everlasting life by resurrection because they know that is true whereas the World do not have that faith so that they point their finger saying ‘baby killers’ when infact the child is only sleeping, temporarily avoiding this wicked world waking up in paradise where we can say see that guy over there, he wanted us to go against Jehovah’s commandment but we knew youd live whereas they did not know if youd live if we gave you blood-transfusion and we wouldve been guilty if you would have lived or died. then the child will be glad the parents obeyed Jehovah and glad to have them as parents

            • Craig Knight

              Doc – Do you have children? So with your logic it would be ok for a Muslim Father and Mother to strap a bomb to their child’s body and then let them kill themselves and a bunch of innocent bystanders as well? They as parents after all know what’s best for their child right? Parents have a right to train up their offspring in the way of God but major decisions like blood etc shouldn’t be placed on such an immature person and parents are supposed to protect their kids from extreme teachings that could harm them not throw them into an early grave.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Why argue with Doc? Argue with the bible.

            • Burt Reynolds

              IT is an extremely fraught question to have to answer. Every sinew of the body calls out for a child’s life, or indeed for anyone without autonomy, to be spared. That is why emotion must be put to one side and the issue thought through in faith. We do worse for children. Abortion, murdering a healthy child for no more reason than convenience. My second wife gave her life to give birth, and knew she was going to. Children are given Life sentences for murder without parole. Child prostitution, starvation. Abuse, neglect, harvesting for their organs, snuff movies, working in mines, lack of education, poverty, satanic slaughter…..the list goes on. Blood is not totally reliable as a curative measure. A witness, or rather a mother or father, would use every alternative to save life, but in the end analysis, life belongs to Jehovah. Jehovah is the only one who can give it back. It is not nice for a parent to abandon a child by giving up their life for want of blood either, perhaps even leaving, abandoning that child to adoption. Ultimately, the parent is responsible in all things for their child.
              Our taxes are spent in part on killing women and children. Our cars and heating kill people through pollution. We are trapped in a filthy, degraded society and our only hope is through Jesus. Reason it through him, because there is no one on this earth that can answer your question honestly because all of us want the child to live at any cost. No one can stop these conflicts of conscience, no one can answer them in a manner that resolves it, because the question is still being asked. It is a consequence of sin, and as with Abram, the ultimate test of faith, cruel and based on a mere belief. There is no justice in this world. Don’t expect it either, but neither reject the only answer you have in the bible.

            • Craig Knight
            • Richard Long

              It works. Maybe give us a little heads up on the automatic pdf downloads?

            • Paul H

              Excuse me for the text tsunami but I wanted to reply to your post Craig. When I am speaking out of personal experience Jehovah knows that I am not lying when I state that a few years ago my biological father has died shortly after refusing blood transfusion as a result of a horrible accident due to which he lost a lot of blood. In 2016 I personally had a stomach bleeding and the doctors at the hospital asked me the same question: Blood or no blood? I “carefully“ refused the offered blood transfusion as well. Fortunately for me I survived to live another day, but at that moment I fully entrusted my life into Gods hands.

              Satan is very cunning when it comes to deceiving simple humans by bending and twisting Gods words and commands to his own favor. We all know about the very important role of blood in the Scriptures. Isn’t all blood sacred in Gods eyes? Doesn’t God view blood as something that belongs to Him? Even Satan himself is fully aware of the importance of blood. Who hasn’t heard before of human and animal blood being frequently used as a common substance during dark satanic and pagan rituals throughout human history?

              Every single year on the 14th of Nisan during Christ’s memorial I’m personally being
              reminded of the importance of (Christs) blood when I pass on the symbolic cup
              of red wine to the brother or sister sitting next to me. I think you are right
              when you say that the WT is the only Christian organization that openly spoke
              out against blood transfusions. On the other hand the WT is also the only Christian
              organization that properly commemorates Christ’s death and teaches basic
              Biblical truths in the first place (not talking about prophecy/1914 ofc.) When
              you mention the Jews as being the so called “experts in law”, who see no problem
              in accepting blood transfusions, i have to remind you that they also don’t see any problem in denying Christ himself, so quite frankly I’m not even surprised that they don’t see any problems in accepting a blood transfusion in case it serves their own personal benefit.

              We currently live in troubled times where many people consider even science as
              their god and personal religion. Those people put all their faith into
              (medical) science, hoping that it will eventually offer a solution for all of mankind’s
              problems which according to many so called scientists could result into all
              kinds of futuristic medicines to reverse the aging process in order to live
              longer or to postpone death. However, Christians should know better than that. Only
              Jehovah and Jesus have life in themselves. No matter how many blood
              transfusions you give to any human, the length of a man’s life has been
              shortened by Jehovah to max 120 years whether we like it or not, it’s just the
              status quo. The very fact that the Bible doesn’t mention literally that we shouldn’t
              smoke cigarettes for example doesn’t mean it’s not considered as something unclean in Gods eyes. Besides free will, Jehovah has also gifted us with functioning
              brains, common sense and discernment. What would make you think that injecting
              foreign blood/DNA into our own veins wouldn’t be considered as an unclean practice
              in Gods eyes? Last time I read Acts 15:29 it didn’t just say we should abstain
              from blood. It reads that we should “carefully” keep ourselves from these
              things. In what way would injecting foreign blood into our veins relate to the
              words “carefully” and “keeping from”? Also, because keeping ourselves from
              blood is being mentioned in the same sentence as keeping ourselves from sexual
              immorality for example, this also forms a clear indication of its level of
              importance if you’d ask me…

            • “the WT is the only Christian organization that openly spoke out against blood transfusions”

              some can die during treatment without transfution and some can die with transfution and some can die with fractions of blood. the WT has published examples of those who died faithfully because – Colossians 3:23 according to their own bible trained continuous they made where the WT has not intentionally provided faults info on this matter that im awear of but even if it did – Colossians 3:23 Rom 7:9

            • Richard Long

              DA, please don’t make us all suffer this particular delusion with you any longer.

              The INSTANT the WT went to press with any “info” equating inter-venous transfusion of blood with the digestion of blood, THEIR “info” was by definition “false”, a medically proven lie.

              Whether the WT were lying with intention or lying in ignorance is irrelevant. Given that the WT CLAIMS the authority of the Christ, CLAIMS to possess the wisdom of the Christ, and CLAIMS to speak as the sole channel on earth for the Christ, neither collusion nor incompetence is acceptable shepherding of Christ’s sheep.

              You are now aware of false information provided on the matter by the WT and your application of Col 3:23 should now be even more profound.

              The “commandment” to not ingest blood preexisted Christianity. The “commandment” to not transfuse blood does not exist.(Mis)Use of Rom 7:9 in this instance is textbook WT style eisegesis, shoehorning a scripture into an unsustainable premise.

              Blessings for peace of mind and ease of your tribulations, RL

            • Island Breeze
            • Richard Long

              JS, does Orson come with an off switch? lol

            • Island Breeze

              This was my first choice! Hahaha hahaha hahaha
              “Oh no you didn’t”https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d397d311941aef2b832a1972bf1b518ac7846cfc272e7a9685bec166c9368d6d.gif “

            • Richard Long

              Thank you. Now we all have twice the creepy . lol

            • Burt Reynolds

              According to that face, Looks like Stephen Lett has extended family!

            • Craig Knight

              I thought this was an intense elder clapping at one of the JW.org talks given by Lett asking for more money!!!

            • Island Breeze

              ” Our E-x-p-e-n-d-i-t-u-r-e-s far surpass Our D-o-n-a-t-i-o-n-ssssssss ” -please pressure g-r-a-n-d-m-a to change her will…”

            • Craig Knight

              Paul – yeah this subject creates big tsunami’s. I guess that’s why most on this site don’t want to open that can of worms. So here is my response.

              Excuse me for the text tsunami but I wanted to reply to your post Craig. When I am speaking out of personal experience Jehovah knows that I am not lying when I state that a few years ago my biological father has died shortly after refusing blood transfusion as a result of a horrible accident due to which he lost a lot of blood. In 2016 I personally had a stomach bleeding and the doctors at the hospital asked me the same question: Blood or no blood? I “carefully“ refused the offered blood transfusion as well. Fortunately for me I survived to live another day, but at that moment I fully entrusted my life into Gods hands.

              Reply: Paul I am very sorry to hear about your Father that’s very sad. You too faced a terrible ordeal. I had an operation in 2008 and accepted a blood transfusion but I was not a Christian at the time so I didn’t even think about it. I have the greatest respect for a person who is willing to die for what they believe to be true. Your Father will be back in the resurrection and I have faith in that. I was raised a JW and left the religion about 30 years ago and have had my faith restored here with our Brother King. But I have to be sure about these things because WT has been wrong on so many subjects. But I am seriously trying to make sure and not trust in what men say. I am praying about this and want to come to an understanding of truth on this subject.

              Satan is very cunning when it comes to deceiving simple humans by bending and twisting Gods words and commands to his own favor.

              Reply: I can’t think of anything that WT hasn’t twisted and bent over the last 130 years. In fact it’s downright embarrassing. I do not trust WT except for the basic truth’s. So just because WT says something means nothing to me. It’s the scriptures that matter. The Bible says to abstain then why has WT made up all these ridiculous blood fractions and say those are ok but it takes more blood to make them than a regular blood transfusion. WT has lost it and many have left over the blood fractions teaching. That must be new light from the dark side! WT would have been better off to try not to cater to hemophiliacs and others and just say no to blood end of story. But they change things to keep people from leaving. Something they cannot stop from happening.

              We all know about the very important role of blood in the Scriptures. Isn’t all blood sacred in Gods eyes? Doesn’t God view blood as something that belongs to Him?

              Reply: Yes blood is sacred but so was the Sabbath! Yet Jesus principal’s on the Sabbath was that life mattered more than the Sabbath itself. Isn’t life sacred too? Some have said that yes blood is more sacred than life but show me a scripture that says so.

              Even Satan himself is fully aware of the importance of blood. Who hasn’t heard before of human and animal blood being frequently used as a common substance during dark satanic and pagan rituals throughout human history?

              Reply: Sure the Devil has always had his followers doing sick things but I am a Christian not a Devil worshipper. Christians should obey the command to abstain from animal blood. In Acts 15 Paul said …19It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. The context can only be about animal blood and not to cause trouble for the Gentiles or as the NWT puts it not cause a burden. Isn’t the blood transfusion application a huge burden for us Gentiles?

              Every single year on the 14th of Nisan during Christ’s memorial I’m personally being
              reminded of the importance of (Christs) blood when I pass on the symbolic cup
              of red wine to the brother or sister sitting next to me. I think you are right
              when you say that the WT is the only Christian organization that openly spoke
              out against blood transfusions. On the other hand the WT is also the only Christian
              organization that properly commemorates Christ’s death and teaches basic
              Biblical truths in the first place (not talking about prophecy/1914 ofc.) When
              you mention the Jews as being the so called “experts in law”, who see no problem
              in accepting blood transfusions, i have to remind you that they also don’t see any problem in denying Christ himself, so quite frankly I’m not even surprised that they don’t see any problems in accepting a blood transfusion in case it serves their own personal benefit.

              Reply: Yes they did/do deny Christ but they are looked to as experts in the law non the less. They know the sacredness of animal blood however.

              We currently live in troubled times where many people consider even science as
              their god and personal religion. Those people put all their faith into
              (medical) science, hoping that it will eventually offer a solution for all of mankind’s
              problems which according to many so called scientists could result into all
              kinds of futuristic medicines to reverse the aging process in order to live
              longer or to postpone death. However, Christians should know better than that.

              Reply: That’s true God’s kingdom is the only hope for mankind. But if scientists made a pill that gave you more energy, a more powerful immune system to fight off cancer etc. I bet you’d be first in line to try it. Science has added years to people’s lives and I see no harm in that.

              Only Jehovah and Jesus have life in themselves. No matter how many blood
              transfusions you give to any human, the length of a man’s life has been
              shortened by Jehovah to max 120 years whether we like it or not, it’s just the
              status quo. The very fact that the Bible doesn’t mention literally that we shouldn’t
              smoke cigarettes for example doesn’t mean it’s not considered as something unclean in Gods eyes.

              Reply: Well again WT has passed laws about smoking and I do not think this should be a disfellowshipping offense. These are just rules made up by men who are not inspired. If a person were to smoke a cigar or pipe or cigarette every once in a while or one a day or something this is a conscience matter. What gives a group of old men claiming to be God’s prophet’s the right to tell you that you will not enter the kingdom because you have a cigar once in a while. Again even tho smoking is a nasty habit it isn’t mentioned in the bible. Since blood transfusions are not mentioned either this should also be a matter of conscience.

              Besides free will, Jehovah has also gifted us with functioning brains, common sense and discernment. What would make you think that injecting foreign blood/DNA into our own veins wouldn’t be considered as an unclean practice in Gods eyes?

              Reply: The principal of the law is that life is more precious than the law itself. That is what Jesus taught the stubborn Pharisee’s. Even the GB member’s were divided on the blood issue 49 to 51 and yet it passed because they just raised their hands and voted on it. By just one raised hand the WT put this burden on JW’s worldwide. What if one of the GB members fell asleep or didn’t show up that day? They probably all voted on the Malawi Brothers not being allowed to get an id card where in Mexico it was all good to buy off the official’s. This is just WT nonsense.

              Last time I read Acts 15:29 it didn’t just say we should abstain from blood. It reads that we should “carefully” keep ourselves from these things. In what way would injecting foreign blood into our veins relate to the words “carefully” and “keeping from”? Also, because keeping ourselves from blood is being mentioned in the same sentence as keeping ourselves from sexual immorality for example, this also forms a clear indication of its level of
              importance if you’d ask me…

              Reply: Again the context is not about human but animal blood. I would not recommend having animal blood injected in your veins unless you wanted to be beastly in nature. That was a lame joke sorry.

              In summary I want to thank you for crossing swords with me on this issue. I respect your stand and in spite of my arguments I am still prayerfully considering this blood issue. My heart goes out to you and your Father’s experience. I do not take what you say lightly. Other’s have said that blood is more sacred than life and I respect their opinion and the word ABSTAIN is hard to ignore. So I will keep praying and studying about this but I just want people to think for themselves and not let WT dictate what we should believe as in my opinion they being uninspired have no right to do so. But my main point is that children should be baptized before having to give up their lives and they should be protected by their parents until such time as the child grows up and can make his own decisions as an adult.

            • Richard Long

              Craig, placing this here for for continuity of the thread due to disqus going wonky on Paul’s post. Hope he has occasion to find it.

              “Paul H said: “On the other hand the WT is also the only Christian
              organization that properly commemorates Christ’s death and teaches basic Biblical truths in the first place (not talking about prophecy/1914 ofc.)”

              This, my dear brother Paul, is conjecture at best and absolutely not supportable by neither scripture nor known history. For instance, which scripture instructs some followers of Christ to ceremonially refuse the body and blood of Christ?

              It may be a more sustainable premise to say: [JW’s believe] “…the WT is also the only Christian organization that properly commemorates Christ’s death and teaches basic Biblical truths in the first place (not talking about prophecy/1914 ofc.)… and I accept this to be true because they say so].”

              Either way, one is forced to accept the word of known liars, a process I can no longer tolerate participation in, and willfully disbelieve scripture to the contrary of their “truth”.

              Agape, RL

            • Burt Reynolds

              There is room for consideration for those that look for it Craig. The issue of breaking the sabbath was as much to do with the religious leaders hypocrisy as well as the value of balance, the value of life. They were picking over the law, establishing their authority. The bible is riddled with instances of valuing life, from the giving of water, to the Samaritan, from the provision of manna, to the death of Christ himself. Thus blood must be something different. The significance of which is that Christ literally had to pour his out, critically, because of what it represented. What did it represent? What has blood always represented? Life. And the giver of life. The right to life. And the right of the Father to give life as the owner of it. He is the Father of life. Don’t forget, there is no blood in heaven. It is an earthly issue and like the body, has huge significance in its proper use.

              This is doubtless why the command to abstain from blood is made so simple for us. Boiled down to one word. Abstain. Unambiguous, straight to the point. Quite a ‘loving provision’, as the watchtower was always wont to use the term, but it certainly makes it clear to those who want to be taught and who in faith, can accept something they don’t like.

              The reason why the debate is do hotly pursued is not because of inquiry as to meaning, but from fear of putting ones life on the line in faith. Again, if there was a loophole, would not Paul have been inspired to show it, yet so soon after Christ had been murdered and, as the Christians well knew, had with significance, poured out his blood, ( to fulfil the representation of all those sacrificed animals’ blood) Paul still said to abstain. The representation of blood had been fulfilled. Accept the offering, the meaning, the significance, was the message. Do not try to render the sacrifice of Christ as meaningless, by providing the sacrifice again for yourself through animals offered for sacrifice, or by the eating of blood that even as a supposed food, still represented life. However, by eating it, it is also excreted. Think on that when you reflect on the term ‘dungy idols’.

              We all know, do we not, that the watchtower’s stand ( or to be accurate, their wobble ) on blood is due to nothing more than finance in that they allow fractions, and in some scientific terms, those fractions are neither defined or quantified in terms of what they represent. The watchtower stand is simply to avoid paying out in monetary terms because of secular law and they add to their lie by praising children who have died for want of blood, thus championing the truth and the lie in the same breath through their obtuse reasoning.

              So in terms of seeking lawful excuse, but knowing the secular battle is played out, others seek for a scriptural law whereby they can park their conscience safely. Borean pickets do this quite nicely and can provide a convincing argument but which falls at the first fence called ‘Abstain’. Read them, read them all, and bring each argument to the alter of ‘Abstain’ and offer it there in your conscience and see if Jehovah is pleased by your offering.

              In the great scheme of things, we live and die almost in the same breath. By the time we reach sixty, we are already consumed with the thought of the grave. I used to say to my mother, who lived to 93, that though she will die, I will be following, in terms of time, the next day. She will not be alone. And so as Paul H above notes, for what are we saving our lives for? A day. Metaphorically yes….Jehovah recognised the same inevitability in his words to Adam….’ For in the day you eat of it, you will….’. Do you really want to preserve your life so much to live in this world? For what? For why!? Certainly if you seek for a way to use blood, you will find it. To ‘abstain’, is only there for people who have the faith to see it for what it is and even if one sides with the non-abstainers, does that in any way, negate the meaning of ‘abstain’? If you jump a red light, does that make the light green?

              In the end, we have to ask ourselves, why did Christ, the only begotten son of Jehovah, have to bleed? What was the significance of bleeding? Why was there and is there, significance to bleeding? The answer is in Genesis and from there onward. But so is the lie if you look hard enough for it. With all the tests of faith that are yet to come; the complexity of those tests, the artfulness and cunning of those tests, ask yourself, are we to fall at the first, the clearest, the simplest, the most obvious, before the satanic tests even start in earnest? It seems so for some.

            • Richard Long

              This post by Paul H was getting the business from disqus, so I have copied and pasted it here to preserve it so we may all follow the whole exchange:

              Paul H Craig Knight • 4 hours ago
              Excuse me for the text tsunami but I wanted to reply to your post Craig. When I am speaking out of personal experience Jehovah knows that I am not lying when I state that a few years ago my biological father has died shortly after refusing blood transfusion as a result of a horrible accident due to which he lost a lot of blood. In 2016 I personally had a stomach bleeding and the doctors at the hospital asked me the same question: Blood or no blood? I “carefully“ refused the offered blood transfusion as well. Fortunately for me I survived to live another day, but at that moment I fully entrusted my life into Gods hands.

              Satan is very cunning when it comes to deceiving simple humans by bending and twisting Gods words and commands to his own favor. We all know about the very important role of blood in the Scriptures. Isn’t all blood sacred in Gods eyes? Doesn’t God view blood as something that belongs to Him? Even Satan himself is fully aware of the importance of blood. Who hasn’t heard before of human and animal blood being frequently used as a common substance during dark satanic and pagan rituals throughout human history?

              Every single year on the 14th of Nisan during Christ’s memorial I’m personally being
              reminded of the importance of (Christs) blood when I pass on the symbolic cup
              of red wine to the brother or sister sitting next to me. I think you are right
              when you say that the WT is the only Christian organization that openly spoke
              out against blood transfusions. On the other hand the WT is also the only Christian
              organization that properly commemorates Christ’s death and teaches basic
              Biblical truths in the first place (not talking about prophecy/1914 ofc.) When
              you mention the Jews as being the so called “experts in law”, who see no problem
              in accepting blood transfusions, i have to remind you that they also don’t see any problem in denying Christ himself, so quite frankly I’m not even surprised that they don’t see any problems in accepting a blood transfusion in case it serves their own personal benefit.

              We currently live in troubled times where many people consider even science as
              their god and personal religion. Those people put all their faith into
              (medical) science, hoping that it will eventually offer a solution for all of mankind’s
              problems which according to many so called scientists could result into all
              kinds of futuristic medicines to reverse the aging process in order to live
              longer or to postpone death. However, Christians should know better than that. Only
              Jehovah and Jesus have life in themselves. No matter how many blood
              transfusions you give to any human, the length of a man’s life has been
              shortened by Jehovah to max 120 years whether we like it or not, it’s just the
              status quo. The very fact that the Bible doesn’t mention literally that we shouldn’t
              smoke cigarettes for example doesn’t mean it’s not considered as something unclean in Gods eyes. Besides free will, Jehovah has also gifted us with functioning
              brains, common sense and discernment. What would make you think that injecting
              foreign blood/DNA into our own veins wouldn’t be considered as an unclean practice
              in Gods eyes? Last time I read Acts 15:29 it didn’t just say we should abstain
              from blood. It reads that we should “carefully” keep ourselves from these
              things. In what way would injecting foreign blood into our veins relate to the
              words “carefully” and “keeping from”? Also, because keeping ourselves from
              blood is being mentioned in the same sentence as keeping ourselves from sexual
              immorality for example, this also forms a clear indication of its level of
              importance if you’d ask me…
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            • Craig Knight

              Richard – I have saved it myself as I find this a very important study and my aim is to get rid of WT’s opinion and use scripture to make sense out of it. I am an open cup on this subject and by no means have I made up my mind yet. God has answered many of my prayers recently and I continue to seek his guidance to get in line with his word. This subject is especially hard for me. The heart is treacherous so I walk on thin ice here. Paul’s story was very moving to me and I hope I did not discourage him. I just have questions that I think are valid.

            • Richard Long

              Was the BP series of articles helpful?

            • Craig Knight

              You know I haven’t spent much time on that site but I do have it saved and plan on perusing that site in the future. My older son and I have been bouncing these ideas around for a long time. I’m grateful to have this forum to express those ideas.

            • Richard Long

              Fair enough. Not to beat the dead horse, but information salient to a thorough and specific scriptural, doctrinal, and legal consideration of the matter on par with any you might have considered from the WT and absolutely far exceeding what you will find here is available to you. I cannot fathom why you would wait considering the level of angst you express on the subject, but also fully realize what I can or cannot fathom is irrelevant.

              Blessings, RL

            • Craig Knight

              I plan on checking that site out it sounds good. I checked it briefly yesterday. I will be in Oregon again next week so I will have time to look deeply into it. Thanks for the tip on that site.

  • trudy

    wow ..

  • trudy

    This is why they wanted the mags and book in your houses ..not the bible ..I was told not to give out bibles and
    someone else’s said about this to ..I feel more safe now I know ..better knowing then not knowing …Old saying , better the devil you know then the devil you don’t ..there is maybe truth to this ..to know where he is ..and he is everywhere rule of the world .I keep my self to my self now …I do a lot of thinking ..you know I always felt stress at the hall pressure ,pressure for what !!!
    The jews did not call on jeohaves name and also now the ord calls on jw.org which again is not Jehovahs name ..not even chrsit they call on ..hardly hear anything about him ..His name was hardly said ..

  • trudy

    Get out of her my people ..is this not ref to the org …with all there marble etc .I mean more and more its talking about this org ..and he calls his people the ones who call on him …I can not feel anything else .I just showed one of my friends and makes him confirm his position as he is not a org worshipper ,he is just a old study ..but he was cross .I sent this to two jws they don’t reply but the have not broken the link with me ..yet ..

    • Richard Long

      That specific reference was to get out of BTG, Trudy. Are you now willing to consider JW’s at this time to be just another tiny and insignificant part of BTG?

  • e.v.g

    It is really interesting and creepy. The book of Ezekiel says something explicit in 23:20, then Jehovah said that he will wake up the lovers of his woman against her. Probably those masons, apostates or whatever inside the watchtower, whose are having immoral intercourse (in spiritual sense) with demons, will perish by their own master.

  • Sharon

    unbelievable article brother Robert,this maybe the best article yet.if I had the knowhow,if its even possible this needs to go viral,baybe it has to be utube video,i don’t know.EXCELLENT

    • what are the best articles from the Watchmans Post do you recommend?

      • Sharon

        I first went straight to his book,i enjoy the fall of America,london seat of satan,i enjoy articles that deal with the future and great tribulation,and for me the bible took on a whole new meaning and came alive once I starting listening to it from a jewish perspective

  • Anderiega

    Dear Robert,
    When I chanced upon this site a couple years ago I was reeling from my “emperor has no clothes” realization. At that time, the “vibe” here on e-watchman was one of “stay in your congregations, WT has the basic truth, show love, wait on Jehovah, the weeds will be bundled by the angels, focus on the ‘wheat’ in the org, it’s a cult AND God’s organization.”

    Ok.

    First, I’m amazed by some of you here who have been aware of “the deluding influence” for years….even decades. My nerves are practically shot after only 2 years!
    But the tone seems to be changing here (e-watchman) lately….. Especially since the whole Eye of Horus thing. Should we be fleeing? Are we participating in a lie by keeping silent?

    Maybe Jesus said “(let the reader use discernment)” because it’s literally just that…..each reader and when we as an individual sees “the disgusting thing.”

    I feel like I saw the disgusting thing on JW broadcast yesterday as I watched the November broadcast and brother Gary Braeu (spelling?)of the service committee and helper to the GB flatly announced that “no change to the 2 witness rule will be made because we understand scripture correctly.”

    This is disgusting on so many levels. It endangers children AND it dishonors Jehovah because it is twisting scripture. How am I supposed to associate myself with an organization who unapologetically covers up scandals and proceeds to drag God’s name through the mud??

    I read James chapter 1 (on endurance) and I feel like a wave of the sea blowing about.

    😖 Anderiega

    • I think if you are in a supportive congregation there is no reason to leave. Unfortunately, I think the spiritual environment is going to become more and more unhealthy. But, yeah, I just watched the November JW Broadcast too. Pretty bad. I intend to do a video response to it later in the week.

    • KB

      You are not alone sister.

    • Richard Long

      Anderiega, I think Robert’s reply was perfect as it answered the question you asked him. There is no “where” to go to, only a “whom”, the shepherd we all profess to have in common. When you listen for HIS voice, what do you hear?

      • Daisy

        Acts 1:8 “But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes on you; and you will be MY witnesses in Jerusalem, and all Judea and Samaria, and to THE ENDS OF THE EARTH”
        So my question to myself is would I submit to an authority other than the BIBLE, as the catholic church followers submit to the authority of the pope and Jws submit to the authority of the WT corporation. For me Eye of Horus equates to illuminati and freemasonry which equates to abhorrence by Jehovah. Evidence of the pagan roots of the “organisation” are staring me in the face…at last! I’m out! 🙂

        • unfortunately but fortunately both roots grow together until the harvest and the wheat know Jehovah’s word is the authority. Rom 13:1 Acts 5:29 Dan 11:32

          • Daisy

            Thank you Doc…and there are plenty of “wheat” in the “field” i.e…the “world” who know whose “authority” to follow…and they do. They don’t “act” at being Christians as Jws do either IMO of course 🙂 and the “wheat” in the world are very appreciative of the importance of Christ’s role concerning their salvation. Unlike Jws, where Christ is generally only mentioned in a perfunctory manner at the ends of their prayers. That’s why my “authority” is God’s word and love for all that’s Heavenly, unseen, not what’s “seen”… as in a satanically ruled hypocritical earthly “organisation” Love Daisy

        • Craig Knight

          Congrats!!!

          • Daisy

            Bitter, sweet Craig. I lose my 53yo daughter and two anxiety ridden unhappy grandchildren. The girl baptised at 14yo, always in bed with tummy wobbles… The older, a boy, not yet baptised, but makes a living working with dad window cleaning…sigh…:(

            • Craig Knight

              I know it’s very difficult to deal with this un-scriptural shunning policy. I have no contact with my older sister and younger brother also my Mother. I guess we have to look to the kingdom to bring families back together or until they see the lies themselves. It takes courage to take a stand when our Christian conscience cannot allow us to keep following men. Perhaps you can be their support when the WT collapses soon. 🙂

    • “Are we participating in a lie by keeping silent?”

      whos keeping sclient? i would be guilty if i kept sclient, no? didnt he chop up his concubine and send her parts off to each tribe? but they will focus on the bad dealings of Babylon and the world all day because that doesnt make them feel uncomfortable. talking about the wrong and injustice going on within the Kingdom Hall’s and Bethel, well they rarher hear smooth things and believe they have peace when there is none because Jehovah’s people love it that way. cant say i didnt try, a lot

    • trudy

      yes that is terrible ..there has been a storm on you tube about this .

  • Craig Knight
    • Daisy

      I got it Craig…unbelievable for me that I pressed the right buttons. Thank you…D

      • Craig Knight

        Hi Daisy! – I’m real glad that you were able to open it. My Son sent this to me because Burt was asking for it and I wanted to keep my word and get it to him and all of you here as well. Now we can all see their two witnesses teaching and the locusts of Joel. Enjoy! 🙂

  • Passi from B.C

    as soon as that book is going to the trash.

  • trudy

    It’s right there look what I found in 5 mins ago .. I went deep into to ”this Freemason subject in 2008 when waking up … my mother also taught me about this in the 1980s ano jws said she had her own religion !!!!
    This is in the rev grand climax book I am going to study all pictures now to see what eles I can see
    .Right in my face the sun behind the watchtower Sun worship …..Get out everyone .Its over !!!
    Watchtower worship !!!!!!!!!
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