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How would the brothers in Paul day understand what he was saying about Peace and security..At that point John hadn’t written the book of Revelation.
They would not of understand the the 7 the head get a sword stroke..But they would have known about the man of lawless and the super fine apostles.Also they would understand about the evil slave..Plus all of what the wacthtower has written about prophecy has been wrong..It’s the wacthtower that is saying the nation will make the announcement of peace and security.given there record of Bible prophecy it’s hard to believe there right on this one…
It was not important for the 1st century Christians to understand it. Paul was speaking to those who would be alive when Christ returns. As for the WT, everything is wrong that is tied to 1914 or misdirected to Christendom. But this is one of those rare cases where the WT teaches the fulfillment is in the future. The error is in their not recognizing that their “saying peace and security” precedes the parousia.
According to the wachtower there is only two things on the prophetic calendar .that is the call of peace and security by the nations and the destruction of Babylon the great.they believe that they will be bystander to the destruction safe within there spiritual pardise.what they fail to realize is the the judgement start with them at the start of the true parousia. Are we to believe that they are right as to who making the proclamation of peace and security.or does the proclamation come from another source?
The WT claims the judgment upon the house of God commenced in 1918. That being the case, even though they may believe their saying “peace and security” is in the future, the 1914 delusion prevents JW’s from comprehending the significance of it. Still, those who are sons of day and sons of light will grasp the moment when it occurs.
Nice blow to GB
My prayers will be for you.
I thank Jehovah for your courage.
Acts 5:29 In answer Peter and the other apostles said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/5/#v44005021-v44005032
Yeah I gone through
If you can, please share with us the outcome of your conversation with the elders.
1918/1919 the WT says
HEE HEE HEE
see Jeremyah 6:14,15 / 8:11
If the nations are already doomed (assuming that it will be those that did not seek meekness, Jehovah etc) why will jah go into judgment with them knowing that they will be no way out?
It is not that anyone will be barred from entering the Kingdom. It is just that the conditions then will not be conducive for taking in knowledge. Surely, JW’s will not be conducting free home Bible studies then. That is why the scripture says “today is the day of salvation.”
Plus, there is another factor to consider. God knows what is in a person’s heart, but he allows time for us to show what we are. For example, Jesus told the Jews “I well know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.” In time the Jews demonstrated their distain for God when they killed Jesus and persecuted his disciples. The same scenario is going to play out in the future. Under police state conditions people will be more than happy to turn Christians over to be jailed and executed. God will allow it in order to justify destroying the world.
JW’s may be still offering free bible studies, but how many are they actually conducting, with so much negative (and correct) information on the internet about them regarding child sexual abuse, their connections to masonry and the occult, etc. Do you have any recent numbers?
I can’t imagine with all of the negative information out there that they conduct too many besides perhaps their children.
According to the latest report there were over 10 million studies conducted each month. But you are right, no doubt a large percentage of that number represents children, just like the majority of people getting baptized are the children of JW parents. At least they are TRYING to look busy :~) Here is a link to the WT report http://bit.ly/2EFtHiI
Robert, its unbelievable that people just dont fight for good or be on the side of goodness. doesnt that bother your thoughts? its just so hard for me comprehend that the pharisees and others would rather be evil and work against good. its just not in me to know why people choose to be bad on purpose
There are two gods who are utterly opposed to each other. The one God is truth. The other is a lie. The one God is life. The other is death. The one God requires that we obey him. The other god encourages us to do whatever we want.
one God cares about us personally on a personal level and the other doesnt
I do not think that people in general choose evil on purpose…thake the apostle Paul…before he became an chosen apostle he firmley belived that the evil he did against Jesu true followers,was the right thing to do…he used to belive that he in that way was a servant for Jehovah God himself…so just like you say…he did not choose to be bad on purpose.
I belive that will be the chase in our days too…many will do bad and evil things and even beliving they are doing it for the almighty God himself…and amoung all those who in that way are led astray by the devil,there is still some with a good heart …
Jesus and his mighty angels now exactley who and where those good ones are,and they will sort them out before Jesus close the “door”…just like Lot and his daugthers where rescued in the last our of Sodom…but all the self-righteoues ones will be left behind,because they do not understand that the only way to be declared righteous is by grace…there is only one way…by the righteouness of Jesus ,given to us by grace…open for every single human but the sad and tragic reality is that so few belive this…most people rather put all their effort and fate in building/creating ore working on their own righteouness and by doing so they are saying no thanks to the gift of life….thats actually evil
im talking about people who are deliberate in being wicked not those who just miss the standard and sin.
those before the flood werent just sinning, they were all being bad deliberately
Ok…i see…and almost the same will be the chase by the end of 1000 year rulership of Christ…exept of one detalj…in that final cleansing-prosess…all the deliberate evil ones will be grown up people…
The population before the flood was mixed….how can babies take a stand and be deliberate wicked ?
i wasnt thinking of them (although ive thought of the same question).
babies arnt and as far as i know there may not have been any or during the last 120 years befor the flood. they had that long to repent
Arvid, I’ve got more on Jacob’s Ladder even though I know you know it already. Lol. But I’m so excited that I’m getting a clearer picture of Jacob’s Ladder as didn’t Jesus refer to himself as this ladder in John1:51. He is the perfect Ladder as he came to save mankind.
‘Then he said, ‘I will tell you the truth, you will all see heaven open and the Angels of God going up and down on the Son of Man, the one who is the stairway between heaven and earth’. John1:51. NLT.
It was there in Holy Scriptures all the time! He IS the stairway.
I can agree with that thought. However Doc, I came to understand that people can and do choose evil as a way of life. They don’t necessarily feel that they are evil. There is ‘honour among thieves ‘ and the mafia all pop along to church and expect a hearing and possibly even believe that their sins are forgiven with such ease. Even clergy feel they know God as they bless the weapons of war going out to kill. The sense of evil is cleverly masked by the inner sense of justification, which in itself, is a shadow freely given by Satan who with it, decieves the mind. Even so, there are those who just have no regard for others, and that is, and possible has been so, from even the gates of Eden at the time of the first murder.
“They don’t necessarily feel that they are evil. ”
yes i get that but again, i am talking about those who want to be evil and know it is and dont care. orherwise they are sinless in some respects were they are mistaken or not knowing the law or God and truth
I don’t think it wise for any of us to try and draw a line between what is intentional sin and what is a sin of ignorance, so the short answer is that I don’t know. I do know that there is no limit to the amount of ‘evil’ one can inflict on another when they think they are doing good. A prime example of this is the suffering caused to unmarried mothers and their children, by catholic nuns in Ireland right up to 1976. The nuns viewed all the suffering, abuse and agony they caused as a means to ‘protect’ children and make the mothers ‘repent’ of their sin. Such was the culture that made evil ‘righteous’ back then. But there is no easy answer as you say. A lot that happens in cultures today is psychological fame playing courtesy of Satan.
Satan is a evil think tank and when he finds one person who’s trying to hold their integrity to Jehovah he sits there and contemplates their Downfall by customizing their Temptation like he did with Jesus, after all he is the god of this world and has the power to do just so.
Read more> The Devil tempts Jesus (1-11) https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/4/#v40004001-v40004011
Unbelievers’ minds blinded 2Corinthians 4:4. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-corinthians/4/#v47004004
Jehovah’s Witnesses have a deluded since of Satan’s power because they all believe the drivel of the organization. They believe Satan was cast down to earth in 1914, no big deal, he’s been here for 103 years. Most all JWs have had a pretty easy and normal existence other than having to work hard to survive and making a living. Their mindset is Satan doesn’t have any real power because he has been here all the time. The rank and file JWs are gonna find themselves in a hell of a predicament when the Watchtower is no longer any use to Jehovah. Will they be able to open there eyes to the fact that they were under the influence of the man of lawlessness? I think most wont be able to recover from their brainwashing. When I sit and contemplate future events, I have to admit it truly saddens me. I can’t worry about who will go down with the Watchtower, yet I hope I’m up for the task of helping some keep their faith in Jehovah and Jesus.
Scripture supports that idea when these people will hand over family, friends etc thinking they are doing God’s work. Come to think of it many are doing that now by acting like judges and relegating us to gehenna for disagreeing with them over taking emblems and worshipping jesus alone and abandoning jehovah. Go figure…
i understand Jesus said forgive them because they know not what they do and i aint saying im the judge of hearts but if you cant tell diffetence between intentional and ignorince, well then thats you. but that does not matter because as i said i am focusing on those like those before and after the flood who are from their father the devil because they wish to do like Satan, evil, intentional.
“Consequently, Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time.”
“Jehovah observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.”
“Jehovah saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.”
something to think about
I’m sorry if I have misunderstood your comments. It wasn’t intentional.
you brought up good reasonings besides my point. if i were surrounded by people like you then i likely wouldnt have brought the subject up
What I have found are elders who don’t believe in the demons existence. For instance, one laughed when I related an experience involving demons..
Now children especially are attracted to witchcraft as a result of media..talk about deceit by the demons..a very wise person told me that when you look into the face of a demon , you can’t help but believe Jehovah exists..
Children are attracted to the so called power…
Please bring the kingdom Father..
The young are very conscious of a spiritual need and the devil is more than happy to set a table for them. It is sometimes easier to reach one who is attracted to the dark than it is for one who denies the divine at all.
When one is attracted to the dark side, at least they are searching…what a hard addiction it is for them to overcome…
Under police state conditions people will be more than happy to turn Christians over to be jailed and executed.
This is what the reality the JWs must accept. They look at me and stare whenever I give judgement message for the Christian congregation in digging the spiritual gems meeting.
Majority of my answers are judgment message so some elders are planning to give me a counsel. But I am prepared from the scripture to give back the answers, it will be magnesium citrate tablets for them, but that also will cause me to be marked. It is going to take place soon if possible after 22nd March 2018, because I am planed to give them the magnesium citrate tablets by answering about the holy place when they discuss the Mt:24 chapter in the week of March 19-25. They have deliberately avoided asking questions on Holy place to be desolated . But if given a chance What other spiritual gems have you discovered in this week’s Bible reading? I will answer and that is going to completely change the view of holy place which is a direct challenge to July 2013 WTS. They always talk about the sweet things that Jehovah will always protect them if you obey the ORG.
But My message will be different that is magnesium citrate tablets(=Judgement message).
I will let them understand by stating a Kannada proverb: Kai Kesaradare Bai Mosaru
Implied meaning: Hard work pays you rich dividends.
Literal Meaning: When your hands get dirty(while working) your mouth will be filled with food.
Similarly if you want paradise, first fire test!!! Example Jehovah did not spare his own Son Christ Jesus.
So holy place to be desolated is the Christian congregation not Christendom.
Hello Isaac! – Sorry to hear that the Elders (aka protector’s of WT doctrine) are out to get you. Speak truth and do not be afraid of men. I applaud your courage! Never fear what men can do to you.
Isaih 51:7 “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, A people in whose heart is My law; Do not fear the reproach of man, Nor be dismayed at their revilings. 8″For the moth will eat them like a garment, And the grub will eat them like wool. But My righteousness will be forever, And My salvation to all generations.”…
our point of view about what the scriptures describe as holy should be the same as Jesus and Jehovah’s view, not the worlds
By the way, up until recently I have not really used Facebook for anything other than posting material from this site. However, I have now begun to post fresh content there that does not appear on e-watchman. For example, http://bit.ly/2DbaY1Y
It’s a good provision and leads to people thinking about the issues who would not otherwise read your articles.
twitter is a good provision also
the indigenous comment is excellent
The question that keeps coming to mind, is why didn’t Jesus mention the WHy they would be saying ” Peace and Security”?
So why will they be saying peace and security?
I always wondered if the lion lying with the lamb was literal or symbolic for just peaceful times. We’ve always had meat eating animals dating back before the dinosaurs. Would all animals suddenly become vegetarians, and wouldn’t that completely change everything, their size, the environment, etc? Could lions even survive without meat? I’m sure God can do it if he wanted. I’m a vegetarian. I’m all for it. I love lions, and I’d love a lion friend who doesn’t want to eat me. It does seem like a major overhaul though. Almost like having a bulldozer that only builds sandcastles. Am I just weird for thinking this?
I used to raise and handfeed birds and fret about all the species disappearing.Jehovah can bring all,those back after the 1000 years have ended..Isaiah 11 talks about the lions and lambs being together.. Going back through Brother Kings essays on Isaiah you will find interesting comments. Isaiah is alluding to personalities.. Also states in verse 9″ They will no do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain, because the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah. ” people won’t act like animals anymore. One thing we Do know, it will better than this system.. unimaginable peace..
Well, let’s hope he doesn’t bring back the T Rex. Maybe if he put them on another planet and we could go visit them. That would be great! I’m sure other planets will emerge at some point throughout eternity. Imagine living forever and eventually colonizing the universe. That was my father’s dream, to become an explorer of deep space. Guess I got a little of that dream in me too.
Everything we know about the dinosaurs is supposition, they had to be grass eaters too!
..My little one used to ask, “why didn’t Jehovah just put Satan on another planet?”
That would have been great. Too bad Satan’s last days are destined to be here with us.
Jehovah is going to put Satan on another planet. Unfortunately, it’s going to be ours.
Genesis 1:30 And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so.
As you can see; to every wild animal – “all green vegetation”.
Thank you! Guess we’ll all have to become gardeners and stewards of the land like Adam and Eve were supposed to do originally. That’s a lot of vegetation. Now that I think about it, even the Brontosaurus was a vegetarian. Of course, they had to eat constantly because they were so big. Not too much of a stretch something as small as a lion could manage.
Dear bobby6343 see my comment above may be helpful?
I would not think that the fear animals have for mankind is as straightforward as that Isaac. There is no reason for animals to be terrorised by man, or live in a state of terror and certainly not when the earth is restored. In isolation of man, terror does not exist between animals in the way we view terror to be. A small dog is not intimidated by a large one, just as a lion will take on an elephant or a giraffe. Prey is weary of the predator and will run to protect its life, but otherwise spends its days in peace in the same manner as people do. The animal reaction to man is a learnt behaviour and angelic intervention with an animal would not require terror to control it, but communication. Even today, animals can only bring praise to Jehovah by and through their natural appreciation of the creator. It was man that sinned against Jehovah, not the animal kingdom. But it is man that inflicts pain, dominance and suffering on animals, just as much as it is so that man befriends even the largest of beasts and takes them to his home….bears, even elephants! Jehovah says that he provided green vegetation for all animals and so the puzzle as to why big cats have such large teeth is something for us to work out, but it might be as well to bear (pun) in mind that the beaver can cut a tree in half with its teeth. That the food chain exists as it does is undeniable, but given that Jehovah knows from the beginning the end, that too will be remedied but is yet here for a purpose. It is interesting to note though, that some creatures are obviously ( to us at least ) designed to control other species. Of what other use is a spiders web, other than to catch insects? The wonder of the various cycles in life is yet to be understood, but without flies and maggots, how would dead animals be disposed of, and if there were no spiders or birds, how are the numbers of flies to be controlled? Let us prey that we are thought worthy enough to find out!
Nice points Burt! I especially liked the spider web example. It seems kind of silly to think that lions will literally eat straw mentioned in Isaiah 65:
There can be no doubt that the prophet means here to describe the passions and evil propensities of people, which have a strong resemblance to the ferocity of the wolf, or the lion, and the deadly poison of the serpent, and to say that those passions would be subdued, and that peace and concord would prevail on the earth (see the notes at Isaiah 11:8).
I think these verses are more about the changes in people when they come to God by having their beast like personalities made over. But if Jehovah says there will be no harm in his kingdom then the animals will not harm humans obviously. Isaiah 11:8
The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den. 9They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.
But they will continue to do as they were created to do. Spiders will control mosquito’s and fly’s and birds of prey will keep the varmints under control, wolves and other predator’s will keep the populations of other animals under control. The Bible says that God gave them vegetation to eat but that doesn’t mean to me that all animals ate vegetation. Or are we to believe that these predator’s evolved?
I could get along nicely without mosquitos!
The answer given by bobby6343 may be correct but what if some evolutionists ask that see all carnivorous animals has large canine teeth but herbivorous has different. So already there were animals that were eating other animals.
Also the evolutionist will try to bring the concept of food pyramid and say why always the producers are more in population while the consumer is less in population? For example the plants and vegetation are more compared to sheep, goat and other cattle, similarly the herbivores animals are more in population and their reproduction is also higher rate compared to carnivores. So they may say it is in nature itself that some animals are meant to eat other animals and it was so hence carnivores like lion and tigers will always eat flesh.
So how Adam and Eve were not harmed in the Paradise? Well just think if an angel comes and visible in the human form will lion and tigers ever attack? No!! The angel is heavenly so the angelic terror will cause a fear in the animal. Similarly when Adam and Eve were perfect exactly in the image of God, a fear would have caused in animals so that they would have not attacked man. For example when Jacob’s sons murdered Canaanites and Jacob want to shift from that place and as they were moving Gen:35:5: states As they set out, a terror from God spread over the people in all the towns of that area, so no one attacked Jacob’s family. What about Daniel in Lion’s pit? Again the angelic terror caused lions not to attack Daniel. Similarly in Paradise to come when humankind comes into the perfect state they really become perfect images of God there by the terror of man will be once again on animals and that would not cause the lions and tigers to attack humans even though we don’t know wherever Jehovah will turn literally the lions and tigers into vegetarians.
It’s always possible that things just worked differently in Eden. Eden was paradise, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the world was.
Good points Isaac!
hard for tyrannosaurus to eat pumpkin with flat teeth. what kind of teeth does a fruit bat have? pointy teeth is not evidence for eating meat
as far as i understand, there is no evidence at all that animals and animals extinct (some dubed as dinosaurs) ate meat before the flood.
you’ll like this – https://www.youtube.com/embed/MNCzSfv4hX8?vndel=watch&vndapp=youtube_mobile&vndclient=mv-google&vnddnc=1
Thanks for the video! Personally I never saw any problem with accepting that a lot of animals likely ate meat predating Eden, both before, during, and after dinosaurs, especially considering how long animals existed before humans were created.
Of course I’m not a paleontologist or anything, but dinosaurs are one of my favorite subjects. If I remember correctly, even paleontologists will tell you contrary to movies most dinosaurs were plant eaters.
On the other hand, you may be right because the way researchers determine what they probably ate comes from looking at their teeth, and if scientists can say some dinosaurs ate both meat and plants then it would be almost impossible to determine if you are looking at a meat eater, herbivore, or both. In other words, the teeth we might think was for eating meat could have been suited for a different type of vegetation that may or may not even exist anymore.
LOL. Sorry. You hit the dinosaur button.
Did Dinosaurs Eat Meat, Plants, or Both?
crap samples are another way.
i wonder if Adam when naming the creatures saw a praying-mantis eat the male, wondered will Eve do that to me!??
Or will she eat the forbidden fruit. I wish she would have tried to eat Adam instead !!
If you ever get a chance to read, Alexander Hislops book, The two Babylons, he points out that lions were the number one cause of death a few thousands years back..Hunting wild animals is how Nimrod won his fame.He was considered a hero. This worship is what got the Israelites In trouble worshipping Tammuz..Being at peace with the Lions would be wonderful, they are so beautiful and powerful..
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If you do find the email address Isaac, please let me know. I think it must be a closely guarded secret!
I am badly in need
1 Kings Dr, Tuxedo Park, NY 10987
World Headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Address Phone: (845) 524-3000
Great video Robert. I agree with you that the cry of peace and security comes from the nations. Perhaps when the 8th King has killed off God’s people it will make this statement and then the end will come suddenly.
they dont cry about it, they just day it. common mistake
A crying was the town’s news man he would call out the news from the town square.thus the position.town cryer was created so the call for peace and security is a cry..
not found in scripture http://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/5-3.htm
mandela effect = not scriptural
Reading/ listening about the last days and prophesies in this article has got me thinking about the state of mankind. I look at various cultures and systems through the Internet and gain a lot of insight, but America is beginning to horrify me! The (apparant, I hasten to add) attitudes, violence and intolerance is alarming. It seems a completely different place than the America I experienced 30 years ago where people appeared friendly and welcoming. I’m generalising of course, I know the fallibility of the Internet, yet the degree of unrest makes England look like a church outing and certainly I would not go out at night a mile or do from where I live! Not that we don’t have our urban problems, because we do! I just wonder what you brothers and sisters are experiencing and what you feel and experience in relation to the bible prophesies?
Depends on where you live..Of course the media exaggerates a lot. Here, it’s unlawful to give the homeless food. This exportation of people here, breaking up families to send the breadwinner to a country he has no ties to and forcing the family into poverty .. has every one .bewildered . California is puttibg up a fight. Jesus said there won’t be any justice.
We live in a relatively peaceful and happy place although it’s not without difficulties. If you take your eyes off it, it’s gone. So many say to me that they don’t want to hear the news, it just upsets them. There you go
Thanks Cathii. Do I read you correctly that it is the case that an American citizen is obliged to go to another country to work, rather than be paid welfare ?! I thought that one of the American amendments to the constitution forbade cruel and unusual punishments. What if he ended up in France!
It’s the case where people who were brought to the US when they were children and know no other place as ” home ” are being taken away from their families and being deported. One on the news is out of Detroit. Some are even in the military here are being deported..crazy!
America is tearing apart from the inside..
A citizen cannot be deported if he cannot work. They are deporting illegals. They are raiding businesses that hire illegals. Key word here is illegals. They are a serious problem. There are solutions being presented but mainly democrats are stonewalling it. Main ones are to document and start naturalization process and integrate into system. They don’t want that because many of their constituants profit from illegal labor and don’t pay any taxes or workmans comp. Several republicans have also been outed who have made gains from this policy. Trump is trying to end that. There are also maternity hotels set up here where women have anchor babies so they can remain here. All are illegal methods of draining states and munincipalities funds. Some are now beginning to see that uncontrolled floods of illegals is a serious concern.
Are you sure about that? In my “sanctuary city” all illegals are safe from deportation. In fact they appear to have more rights then natural born citizens especially if the subject is brought up face to face, people are being fired over this. Unless your skin is brown you can say anything you want without repercussions. Yes, things are changing at a rapid pace, time to move soon.
I don’t live in a sactuary city. Since the election we’ve seen a lot of illegals arrested here. But most are low key. We have a number of eastern euros here, but they came in on work visas. I see what’s happening in places like where you live and there has been a mass exodus of folks out of there. Many are watching this and the threat has been made to start arresting the mayors of cities like yours. Prosecutors who refuse to do their jobs are also in trouble. We’ll see what this admin does but the problem has gotten completely out of hand in many cities.
I live in the Seattle area and people are moving in not out, except maybe people like me who are consolidating assets and getting ready to bust a move. Last night I watched an episode of Tucker Carlson and it was stated that the Attorney General had warned employers in California that they would prosecute any company that informs the Immigration Agency of illegals. So the opposite is happening apparently, unless the Federal Government intercedes. I think were screwed anyways for the number of reasons discussed here. What state are you in?
I’m in nw florida. We haven’t seen anything like that in my area. It’s something folks here keep an eye on. The worst we have to deal with is the spring break crowd. The sheriffs shut down even a lot of that nonesense by banning drinking on the beach until they leave. I saw where ags are possibly in a lot of trouble and so are police for refusing to comply with federal law. I don’t know how that’s going to play out in those places, but in my area they lean right and conservative. Many bases around and a lot of retired military .
The worst I have to deal with is the overwhelming majority of snowflakes with white guilt complex, young black men with chips on their shoulders and a seemingly large gay movement almost as bad as the Bay area in Frisco. Our last mayor was gay and had to resign after two or three guys accused him of sexual misconduct in his past. Strange how these guys get voted in. Time to move to Montana, I think I’ll fit in better it’s like a throw back to the Andy Griffith days, for now at least.
Wow. Sounds like the far left and liberal’s utopia. I’ve seen lot’s of folks leaving for rural areas and states more welcoming of businesses. But all it takes is people voting in these criminals to undo decades of progress. Then they blame the victims. It’s disgusting.
And the liberals claim to be the real victims. What’s funny is that twenty years ago they were considered to be more conservative then today’s world. It must be getting close
I think so too. Civil war or nukes or both.
The whole world is different than it was 30 years ago. Some cities are flooded with illegals, new refuges and crime. Thanks to politicians who permitted this with liberal policies for 50 years. Other cities do not allow those elements to gain a foothold. But with decades of feds being hamstrung by both dems and rep for illicit gain the problems have exploded and some areas are strained to the breaking point.
Add high levels of unemployment, drug and alchohol addiction , rich communities utter lack of consideration for their workforce when they gentrify a formerly affordable neighborhood so they can build condos and you have a recipe for disaster. Okaloosa island and walton county were forced to build housing for workers and run shuttles when they could not get anyone to maintain and clean, cook etc. For their properties. The homeless are usually fed or helped by missions and other charities. Some cities made it illegal to feed them in public areas because of the businesses complaints about panhandlers. Others, like my area have designated places set up for this. Some towns are better than others.
Excellent point about the translation of ‘Day of Jehovah/Day of the Lord’.
As always brother King, a fine presentation.
I would, however like to revisit a couple of items and perhaps receive clarification from either you or one of the friends here.
You make mention of when the great tribulation begins that judgement on the house of God commences and for all intents and purposes the door of entry into Jehovah’s organization is shut and the spiritual fate of all (anointed and great crowd class) within is sealed at that point and that their standing with Jehovah at that time is what they’re judged by.
This seems to contradict some of your previous discussions where you state that Jehovah’s Witnesses, because of their idolatrous veneration of the watchtower org along with the many injustices and false prophetic declarations that have stumbled untold numbers of members, will have to undergo God’s chastening judgements which occur when? When the great tribulation begins! The tools Jehovah will use are the sword, famine and pestilence. Until when? Until they have been chastened to the proper degree.
Afterwards a chastened remnant will be gathered back to Jehovah along with I believe the untold numbers of stumbled and dispossessed sheep like ones who have kept loyal to Jehovah though not in official association with Jehovah’s Witnesses.
This opinion of mine seems consistent with what was foreshadowed during the Babylonian siege on Jerusalem where Jehovah compassionately made a way out for his people if they fell away to the Babylonians.
I think and have maintained the notion in this forum that there will be many in the world who when the great tribulation begins and progresses will have a change of heart and join with God’s people.
Sometimes it takes a 2X4 being smacked upside someones head (think Lot) before they have a change of heart and get motivated. The Angels had to literally grab Lot and drag him out of Sodom . Think of all those seeds of truth planted in the hearts of men during these last few decades finally getting the needed stimulation to grow albeit in the midst of suffering and world distress.
And let’s not forget what I believe will be the absolute final determining factor of who gets into the Lambs book of life found at Rev 14:9,10
Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast+ and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,+
10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath,+ and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur+ in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever,+ and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image and whoever receives the mark of its name.+
On the flip side, any who do not repudiate God’s Kingdom, despite their association with God’s people or their level of spirituality ( think Rahab the prostitute of Jericho) ,and can maintain loyalty to Jehovah and not receive this mark will not receive God’s adverse judgement .
I hope I havn’t misunderstood you brother King but I have come to realize through your fine presentations along with my own personal study from the bible, that when it comes to Jehovah’s mercy and salvation while it does have a terminal point, I think we under estimate it.
Just my two cents.
You have hit on all the points several of us have been discussing for months here. One thing which stands out is the fact that his house is judged first. That begins with the anointed. But…there appears to be quite a lot going on concurrently and we’ve been trying to sort it out. Much of this is predicated on exactly when the eighth king rises and imposes the mark. There is also the call to get out of babylon if folks don’t want to share in her punishments. That to me implies still yet another opportunity for salvation. If you also take into account that the final witness of damnation isn’t given until 5 months before the end and they are slaughtered that too, imo may be significant in relation to actual time of judgments for the nations. Those are very good questions. I’m not certain about which door is closed and for who or when. But it certainly merits a lot more study.
Hey Raven, thanks for that info.That’s a point I never considered that if the final witness is according to the 5 month time frame before the end, perhaps the window of opportunity is opened til then.Wow great additional insight for me.
Kevin, cathii and I have been digging deeper into this of late. None of it is cemented right now but given that information, it appears to be more opportunities exist. It’s been an obsession of mine to see if there are windows in the timeline by which folks can be saved. I can’t reconcile all of these portals for salvation as I haven’t nailed down proper chronology yet. The reason for this is although some events are clearly consecutive many others are concurrent and also overlap within that 1260 days. Thats the hard part. And there’s also identifying who certain prophesies address.
What comes to my mind is that Rehab, who hid the spys, was told to gather her family..Do you think there’s an application there?
Yes, I do. We discussed the examples, few but important ones that encountered Christ or others. I think we have plenty of reason to look at who, how and when judgment applies and Rahab may prefigure some folks in that time. The Roman centurion, the good Samaritan and others brought up as well.
That never even dawned on me. Splendid point Cathii
muldoon55 : I really enjoyed your comment and I share your sentiments.
He’s got a good point about Lot being “escorted” out. Lol. Ran across this item in one of the articles and I thought it interesting:
“ANSWER: The door to salvation is closed prior to the pouring out of the last plagues.”
That leaves a good bit of time from the start of the beginning of the pangs of distress until the final witness and last plagues.
Thanks for link to that great article and discussion
Here’s another piece of the puzzle, Isaiah once again.
“The bird of prey and the beasts of the field represent the nations that bring the holy ones to ruin during the harvest. The “harvest time” interval that the beasts are allowed to pass must find a parallel in the 1,260 day time period common to Daniel and Revelation.”
I don’t comment very frequently here,but I visit often and when I do,I’m greatly encouraged and in awe of the insight displayed by you and the other friends here.
as i was saying. because blood and flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. sick of the comments being locked on me while im typing. cant figureout whats going on then oh its locked. every time i come back after being out for several days and catching up the comments get closed on me
8th GB member Ken Cook announced this morning. I wonder if the Texan will stay on or will Mark and Susan move to their luxury home in Tuxedo Park NY?
Another one eh? Thanks, Kevin. Here’s a link for the announcement:
He has a luxury home? Do they all have homes outside of bethel? Is this a perk of the job that the brothers donations get to buy the governing body a nice secure home for their old age? (Along with the statutory Rolex watch). I thought they just had a room they shared with another brother, same as everyone else.
Yes, someone produced a still from the watchtower broadcast of one of the GB having a $20,000 Rolex on his wrist. Whether it was a real one or fake is irrelevant really because a fake has the same pretentions as a genuine one, though of course it raises the question of where he got the money from though his vow of poverty……mind you, the vow of poverty allows for first class travel, suites, hotels, cars, grand pianos etc. Thus by evidence to date, one might rightly assume that it was genuine and bought with donations from the brothers.
Ooops I ran with that Bro Burt…I in light of Rom2:1 don’t feel so judgmental..He is entitled to wear what ever He likes…I detract and ask forgiveness from Jehovah and His Son and also thank Him for the enlightenment God Bless aall!
Of course he is entitled to it if it’s his money Mick. But is it? If it’s donations that bought it, then he is not. The showy display of one’s wealth is certainly unscriptural and a poor leadership example. In using the public funds donated to the watchtower for charitable purposes, they are obliged to use it appropriately. So they would not use expensive cars, but a taxi. Not business class, but economy class, not having private apartments and luncheons and so and so forth….or private health care paid for through donations. They should be modest in all things the same as they expect of the congregations. A cheap $20.00 watch is as good as a Rolex if it keeps time. And if justice was to be served, it certainly should be in terms of the policy makers of the watchtower that have been responsible for the two witness rule. They should be paying these fines out of their own pocket, not from the contributions for furthering the preaching work. Sitting in judgement is one thing, but misuse of public funds carries with it serious responsibilities. Besides which, that picture was all over the Internet, not from you!
That’s true. If donations bought that watch it’s not good. But I’m not against people buying expensive items for themselves since I’ve known a few rich folk who were great people and generous to their employees and community and some who were the embodiment of Ebeneezer Scrooge. But the private sector of unbelieving business and God’s house are not the same. That’s really not an item I would expect to see on the wrist of a man who leads an organization that exhorts its members, many of which are poor, to give all the time. It is worth more than a lot of homes the members in my area lived in. It does matter how the watch was acquired and IMO it’s bad form to display it given his position.
I doubt it it was bought through donations. There are very wealthy JW who give very expensive gifts to the GB as well as to higher ranked Bethel elders. I personally knew of a CO whom received a brand new BMW. These wealthy brothers are always invited to stay at Bethel and they receive the royal treatment. It always bothered me the attention given to them only because of their money and not because they were spiritual people only because they had the power to give big gifts to the men in charge.
So, I remember being told as one of JWs that we need to keep our eyes simple.
As 1 John 2:16 says, “because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world.” Satan has a way of turning something good into something bad, he is always tryin to tempt us. This brings to mind the scripture at Matthew 16:22 “At this Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this happen to you at all.” 23 But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”
It’s fine to give good gifts but what exactly is a good gift? What is the motivation behind giving gifts to these men in a high position in the organization? IMO it’s a form of creature worship. The ones receiving the gift have allowed themselves to be worshipped in a since. The question at hand is what would Jesus do? Doubtful he would of walked around from city to city in Bible time with expensive garb on drawing attention to himself. That would of taken away from his message. But, is that same attitude being expressed today from the leadership of this organization. As far as I know when you become a CO or bethelite or say a GB member, you vow a life of poverty. You don’t pay taxes because you have no income. These GB members apparently are living the life of luxury. Kind of like hitting the lottery, not worrying about making a living. It certainly would be nice not to have that day to day worry as most JWs have. Many, not having a retirement plan, because we’ve been in the toenails of the image for 30 years now, just on the brink of the new world. We are being nickeled and dimed to death while the fat cats on Kings drive are living it up at our expense. I haven’t given one cent to that organization in over 5 years and don’t plan too. This organization is full of hypocrisy, and is like a bad dream that won’t end. I don’t believe Jehovah is pleased with it at this point. One chapter in the Bible that brings me much comfort is Ezekiel 34. Robert did an article on it years ago which opened my eyes to it. We must wait on Jehovah to deal with HIS Sheppard’s. Hopefully we won’t be stumbled by them before Jehovah takes care of it.
As we move closer and closer to the GT satan is gaining more and more control over the organization until one day it will be part of Babylon the great. Do not let your heart be burdened by what the GB does because Jehovah is testing and refining his people this way. Just prepare your heart and cultivate a very strong relationship with Jehovah so you will be ready to receive the King In the very near future so you could follow him because all the JW and non JW with a heartfelt desire to do Jehovah ‘s will will follow the King into the NW and the organization then will be no more. John 7:17.
Thank you Max. We all need the encouragement as this world gets crazier by the day.
It is crazier by the day indeed. Everyday the world shows more and more the qualities of his father. Satan goal has always been to change humanity to his own image and destroy the crown of earthly creation by disrobing men of his humanity. I think Satan likes to humiliate Jehovah by turning humans into mere animals and many humans sadly love it that way… May Jehovah bless you Raven I have benefited by your good posts.
That makes it even worse!!!! Thanks for the info.
Include spanish subtitles, please.
Hi CStff, scroll down on the page, click on spanish flag
Robert, you know Satan and demons rule the world and they know about the future outcome of those who say peace & security and you know that Satan operates lies about what is mentioned in scripture
I am going to take my children out from viewing Caleb and Sophia videos as it may harm their critical thinking in reference to biblical prophecies. Is that right?
Plus, it will not guilt them from enjoying a ice cream cone! 💲🍦😎
I have had a pretty good run. It’s been 2-3 years since I last had a cold or the flu. Unfortunately my good streak has ended. Been in bed the last couple days with the flu. Seems to be releasing me from its grip though. Just letting you know where I is.
Get well soon brother King!
Pleasse drink two cups of star anise a day. Morning and in the night.. gargle warm water with salt…of the star anise you get the tamiflu.
Sorry to read this. I had the flu around the end of Nov and it lasted almost a month with secondary infections requiring antibiotics. I still feel weak. If you have it longer than a few days or your lungs fill up go see a doctor. Don’t wait too long like I did. I got yelled at. We older guys can’t shake it off so easily sometimes. If you’re good by tomorrow then it was probably just a cold. But even that can kick your butt. Hope you feel better, Robert.
May Jehovah help you through Jesus to get well soon.
Feel better soon dear brother. Praying for you. 😊
I hope your better soon! Question, Since you must have been getting sick when you made this video. Will, everyone catch the flu virus if I share it on Facebook? 🙂
No, as long as they have an up-to-date antivirus software they should be fine. ;~)
True. I’ve updated my antivirus. I got a severe dose of GOBO-Virus back in the 60s and I’m still suffering the effects of it now. I’ve been taking Bibli-Hovah regularly these last couple of years and supplementary Robo-king and though that has cleared the Aposticles, I’m still battling the GOBOLIES. The GOBO virus recently mutated and grew an extra leg making it an OCTOGOBO virus and which is especially nasty resulting in TPT and Donatitus. TPT makes the Aposticles far worse.
Downloading the image from burd disc will help, probably in the new world.
The GB says they are anointed ones and go to heaven and sit with Jesus Christ.
But if some one asks me what about you EASACH?
In turn I will answer that I am a miserable sinner and I am not even eligible to go with the group from east and west who will recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of the heavens.
The WTS has prophesied many things and it did not happen therefore: When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true (1925 (Beth Sarim) and 1975 issue), then Jehovah did not speak that word.
The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.(= Governing body)’. Duet:18:22.
The irony of irony is that : “‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. Duet:18:20.
They also have dealt very badly the issues of Child abuse and they are no better than the Roman Catholics.
So these many proofs makes me to think that Jehovah will change the leadership of Jehovah’s witnesses by destroying the present day GB members during the great tribulation (whereas the sons of the Kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside.) and replace with the new ones just as he replaced Eli the high priest with faithful Samuel.
A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP IN JW WILL SURELY HAPPEN AT LEAST DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
More food for thought…
Many First Will Be Last, and the Last First
Jesus’ usage of the expression “there is where your weeping and gnashing of your teeth will be” is elsewhere used in connection with the judgment upon the sons of the kingdom who are judged as evil slaves. For example, Matthew 8:11-12 reads: “But I tell you that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens; whereas the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”
In connection with the final separation of the righteous and wicked in the kingdom of God Jesus also said: “That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things: the angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous and will cast them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.”Read more> https://e-watchman.com/many-first-will-last-last-first/
The doomsday weapon could be true, I think the US has some secret weapons too. Men under influence of the demons or demonic-men will ignite ww3, Jehovah’s powerful angels will stop those demons, probably fighting with them, on earth??? Jesus will take control, that’s why will be happiness am
Thanks for your well-wishes everyone, this being day four I am feeling better. Still a bit wobbly though. Haven’t gotten out of my pajama’s in days. I spend most the day in bed, but just for my own amusement I watch a few YouTube videos in between bed sessions. I’d thought I share one that I came across yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUP7r5S6rRw&t=10s
Hahaha! Acme! This stuff is solid gold! 🤣
Matthew 7:15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 7:22, 23 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord,a did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’
And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!
Blimey! If you’ve been watching that stuff it’s no small wonder you’ve been ill. I got as far as the widow wanting a husband, but by far the funniest were the dancing Orthodox Jews. I had no idea that they went in for Irish dancing. I’ve asked the Mormon tabanacle choir to pop round to entertain you to make you feel better.
All I can say is I was in a fevered, vegetive state of delirium. Feeling much better now though :~)
hope u get much better. i came down with the flu about 2 months ago and it was pretty scary, worse ive had , i think.
I sure got a few laughs out of it. Reminded me of the time I got talked into going to a baptist tent revival meeting in Missouri back in the late 70s. Never again! Lol!
Here is a logical view from an outside sources take on World War IIIhttps://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/02/nuclear-posture-review/
Hi Robert… Have you ever read the Watchtower’s study article for this week talking about the celestial resurrection?
is interesting that from paragraph 16, although it is still maintained
that the presence of Jesus began in 1914, it does not allude to the fact
that besides Jesus, other persons have already been resurrected to live
in heaven. Rather,
it merely states that the heavenly resurrection would occur some time
after the presence of Christ begins, but makes no mention of 1918 as the
possible year in which the resurrection began and which supposedly
continues to occur with every anointed one who dies until our days, as they have published in the past (Please, view w07 1/1 pages 27-28 p 9-13). Then,
abruptly they go to the period of the Great Tribulation, to describe
the rapture that the surviving anointed until that stage will suffer.
And finally, in paragraph 20 comes the interesting phrase …. “Speaking
of the heavenly resurrection, the Bible says that Those
who WILL EXPERIENCE (future) that WILL BE RAISED (future) “each one in his own proper
order.” (1 Cor 15:23) “Basically, it is the same idea that the
Watchtower edition for the public number 6 of 2016 already pointed
subtly in the page 7, from the subtopic “THOSE WHO COME FROM THE EARTH”. I do not know if you remember that I had told you by this way that time.
Sorry for my bad english :-/
Greetings from D.R
The WT has the luxury of speaking in vague generalities, knowing that it cannot be held to account or questioned by JW’s.
Very true. Regardless of what is said in black and white in the pages of the Watchtower, it can absolutely not be called into question by JW’s. It’s basically a cult.