If Russia Bans Jehovah’s Witnesses…

//If Russia Bans Jehovah’s Witnesses…

QUESTION: I’ve been watching the development of the story out of Russia where Jehovah’s Witnesses are evidently being accused of extremism by the Russian government, which is surprising since I thought Jehovah’s Witnesses hold to neutrality and have since their beginning, not even taking up arms against others. How is it, then, that they are being accused of extremism, considering most people associate extremism with terrorism? And is this a modern-day parallel to the view that the Romans took against Christians in the first century, which led to their persecution —first at the hands of their Jewish brothers and sisters and then by the world power at the time, the Roman empire?


Jehovah’s Witnesses have a long history of persecution in Russia, going back to the early days of the Bible Students and the Czar. (The 2008 Yearbook recounts the history of of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia.) I was surprised to learn in the yearbook that after the Bolshevik Revolution Vladimir Lenin had actually advocated for complete religious freedom, which probably did not sit well with the Russian Orthodox Church. Unfortunately, though, after Lenin’s death in 1924 Stalin suppressed all religion as the “opiate of the masses.” After WWII the KGB began a relentless campaign against Jehovah’s Witnesses, sending them off to the gulags and exiling them to Siberia. But then in 1991 the USSR was officially dissolved. Jehovah’s Witnesses gained legal recognition and were allowed to openly preach and meet together. Sadly, their newfound freedom is proving to be short-lived. A few years ago Moscow banned the preaching work and blocked jw.org from the Russian Internet.

As for the charge of “extremism,” I think most people realize the  accusation that Jehovah’s Witnesses constitute a threat to society is absurd. But, it seems that “extremism” can be redefined to mean a lot of different things. Some ex JW’s are being called as witnesses for the prosecution to testify that the Administrative Center for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia is a cult that brainwashed them. They cite the usual things such as disfellowshipping, the discouragement of higher education, etc. One disgruntled ex JW claimed that they were not permitted to marry or have children, which, of course, is a lie.

Keep in mind Jesus was falsely accused. Some lyingly testified that Jesus taught his followers not to pay taxes to Caesar. Others twisted Jesus’ words claiming that he would rebuild Herod’s temple in three days. Some lyingly accused Jesus of making himself God’s equal. The Jews accused Paul of fomenting an apostasy and of stirring up a sedition. Nero accused Christians of arson, of starting the conflagration that destroyed much of Rome. And on and on it goes. Really, if one were to document all of the false accusations made against Christians from the time of Christ to the present it require a book of many hundreds of pages.

There is another aspect though. The Governing Body is surely aware that the Russian Orthodox Church is behind the move to suppress what it views as competitor religions —Jehovah’s Witnesses being the foremost. But if Jehovah’s Witnesses are banned in Russia that will present a doctrinal challenge for the Watchtower. That is because the Watchtower has boasted that no worldly power —especially false religion, aka Babylon the Great —can have any success against Jehovah’s people.

So, there is much more at stake than the freedom of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia. The credibility of the Watchtower is on the line. If the ban is successful it will call into question the entire 1914 doctrine and the notion that Babylon the Great fell in 1919. And perhaps that is God’s will.  

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  • The Ancient Witness

    As usual, the various governments seem to screw up the message and their reasoning on matters. To “BAN” Jehovah’s Witness is to be expected sometime– and in many places around the world. The human doctrine that the Governing Body clings to (and changes at will to suit matters at hand) and the miss treatment of the “sheep” falls squarely on the heads of the elders and those in charge.

    Did The Watchtower Society ban marriage? Of course not! But they sure did discourage it!! And that is a fact!
    Just research the question. I remember how those “talks” and attitudes were and are dominate in Kingdom Halls around the world. Giving up on any type of education is the same thing except this belief was pushed much harder.

    The Governing Body of Elders and elders in general always try to WRITE themselves into the various equations and manipulation of the lives of all Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. People have lost their free will and basic decision making abilities. As a matter of fact, there are NO CRITICAL THINKING ABILITY left in any Jehovah Witness. TOO MANY believe that if an Elder speaks, those words are from Jehovah and they must obey like mindless robots.

    What a shame so many people and children have been used, abused and sacrificed while the Watchtower Society becomes wealthy on the backs of free labor and hard work of the sheep. …

    Most Jehovah’s Witness have proven to be false friends and follow the watchtower magazine instead of the biblical word of God. What a shame! Nobody is as blind as the people that follow the Watchtower babble from the fat cats in charge!

    There, I said it. Prove me wrong….

    • You might not be aware, but the apostle Paul discouraged Christians from marrying. And, of course, he was persecuted too, by fanatical Jews, false brothers and the Romans

      • The Ancient Witness

        Yes, the apostle Paul did discourage Christians from marrying. However, the absurd enthusiasm, devotion and obedience as well as the misapplication of such Biblical things displayed by so many active Jehovah’s Witnesses borderlines on organizational and Governing Body and Elder –WORSHIP–. No wonder many Jehovah’s Witnesses suffer from PTSD and are viewed as extremist and generally as a cult. Rationality and critical thinking is needed but is lacking in the general makeup of most Jehovah’s Witnesses.

        It is a foregone conclusion that the Governing Body of Elders and Jehovah’s Witnesses have LOST CREDIBILITY in the minds and eyes of the public-governments- and many brothers and sisters. Hence those that walk or even run away every day. Yes, faith in Jehovah God but NEVER put your faith in men! Jehovah is clear about this.

        I do thank Jehovah for people such as yourself for trying to make sense out of The Watchtower’s tangled web of deceit, lies and dangerous miss application and manipulation of Biblical knowledge which in turn, can either help or slaughter the sheep…

        Ancient Witness

        • Paul said: Now concerning virgins I have no command from the Lord, but I give my opinion.
          So he recognized that the Lord said nothing about marriage and that what he was about to say was only HIS opinion.
          The GB tells his opinion but says that is it God’s word.

        • Joel

          Again, you are spot on!

      • 7 Now concerning the things about which YOU wrote, it is well for a man not to touch a woman; 2 yet, because of prevalence of fornication, let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render to [his] wife her due; but let the wife also do likewise to [her] husband. 4 The wife does not exercise authority over her own body, but her husband does; likewise, also, the husband does not exercise authority over his own body, but his wife does. 5 Do not be depriving each other [of it], except by mutual consent for an appointed time, that YOU may devote time to prayer and may come together again, that Satan may not keep tempting YOU for YOUR lack of self-regulation.

        6 However, I say this by way of concession, not in the way of a command. 7 But I wish all men were as I myself am. Nevertheless, each one has his own gift from God, one in this way, another in that way.
        8 Now I say to the unmarried personsp and the widows, it is well for them that they remain even as I am. 9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed [with passion].
        10 To the married people I give instructions, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not depart from her husband; 11 but if she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up again with her husband; and a husband should not leave his wife.
        12 But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and yet she is agreeable to dwelling with him, let him not leave her; 13 and a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and yet he is agreeable to dwelling with her, let her not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to [his] wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, YOUR children would really be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbelieving one proceeds to depart, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not in servitude under such circumstances, but God has called YOU to peace. 16 For, wife, how do you know but that you will save [your] husband? Or, husband, how do you know but that you will save [your] wife?
        17 Only, as Jehovah has given each one a portion, let each one so walk as God has called him. And thus I ordain in all the congregations. 18 Was any man called circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Has any man been called in uncircumcision? Let him not get circumcised. 19 Circumcision does not mean a thing, and uncircumcisionk means not a thing, but observance of God’s commandments [does]. 20 In whatever state each one was called, let him remain in it. 21 Were you called when a slave? Do not let it worry you; but if you can also become free, rather seize the opportunity. 22 For anyone in [the] Lord that was called when a slave is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he that was called when a freeman is a slave of Christ. 23 YOU were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves of men. 24 In whatever condition each one was called, brothers, let him remain in it associated with God.
        25 Now concerning virgins I have no command from the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who had mercy shown him by the Lord to be faithful. 26 Therefore I think this to be well in view of the necessity here with us, that it is well for a man to continue as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Stop seeking a release. Are you loosed from a wife? Stop seeking a wife. 28 But even if you did marry, you would commit no sin. And if a virgin [person] married, such one would commit no sin. However, those who do will have tribulation in their flesh. But I am sparing YOU.
        29 Moreover, this I say, brothers, the time left is reduced. Henceforth let those who have wives be as though they had none, 30 and also those who weep be as those who do not weep and those who rejoice as those who do not rejoice and those who buy as those not possessing 31 and those making use of the world as those not using it to the full; for the scene of this world is changing. 32 Indeed, I want YOU to be free from anxiety. The unmarried man is anxious for the things of the Lord, how he may gain the Lord’s approval. 33 But the married man is anxious for the things of the world, how he may gain the approval of his wife, 34 and he is divided. Further, the unmarried woman, and the virgin, is anxious for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in her body and in her spirit. However, the married woman is anxious for the things of the world, how she may gain the approval of her husband. 35 But this I am saying for YOUR personal advantage, not that I may cast a noose upon YOU but to move YOU to that which is becoming and that which means constant attendance upon the Lord without distraction.
        36 But if anyone thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virginity, if that is past the bloom of youth and this is the way it should take place, let him do what he wants; he does not sin. Let them marry. 37 But if anyone stands settled in his heart, having no necessity but has authority over his own will and has made this decision in his own heart, to keep his own virginity, he will do well. 38 Consequently he also that gives his virginity in marriage does well but he that does not give it in marriage will do better.
        39 A wife is bound during all the time her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep [in death], she is free to be married to whom she wants, only in [the] Lord. 40 But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my opinion. I certainly think I also have God’s spirit.

        Paul’s opinion = aproved by God

        • Srecko Sostar

          We as humans are limited in full perception. Someones perception and conclusion that may came from this or that “facts” can lead in one direction. But someones others can lead in second or even different direction.
          Why would something what Paul or anyone else said or concluded will be good advice or even obligation for somebody else in his time or in our time?
          Why to make conclusion that anything what is said from this or that person in the Bible is said by inspiration and guidance from God? Why to make conclusion that every word in the book is Gods thought addressed to particular person today or to all?
          What if God just has allowed that this or that happened and this or that words been wrote, and allowed that people of the Earth living in believe, faith that such text is from God? Please notice that exist so many translations and they have many differences that is tricky, and makes many theological headache in peoples minds. And what was done because of that confusion? Some prefer this or that Bible because only in such way can make “prove” how his believe or doctrine is the truth.
          On other hand even God (according to my or perhaps your own “perception” of Bible texts) has “changed” his attitude toward some “crucial” matters and “allowed” people to do and say this or that.
          To read the Bible and teaching others what that is, must be, can be or putting opinion and explanations is “normal” for human, but is not in no way obligation for others to follow.
          Sometimes i am thinking that God have a lot of fun time with all this what we put in serious and life important issues. :))

          • Burt Reynolds

            You miss the theme of the bible. This is a constant. No matter what translation, all scripture is beneficial to man. The scripture also reads that ‘all scripture is inspired of God’. The theme, or core values of the bible are unchanged and unchanging. The principles found in the bible are as they were when written. So is the history. If you do not feel this is the case, then you would do well to consider that point as part of your study, but only you can do this. You could also consider on what basis do you rest your opinion, because it is not supported by the bible. Men translated the bible, as you rightly say, and if it was left to men, the bible would support the needs of all men from an entirely selfish standpoint. Yet it does not. One of the touchstones in the scriptures is that it’s truth is beyond our ability to fully absorb into our life and to attain the standards it sets. So if you wish to avoid that which you think is false in the scripture or the result of poor translation, then look to the issues of love and faith and be thus assure yourself that what you read is truth. Because all the rest of the bible rests on those two issues.

            • Srecko Sostar

              Hi Burt! I am very happy that constant values as love, truth, mercy, righteous, kindness and others are part of the Bible and of humans (me, you … :)))
              If you allow me to give some illustration on issue. According to Bible text, old Israeli soldiers have permitted to kill all people and to destroy all material possessions and homes of hostile and non hostile nations in promised land, BUT also have licence to take all virgin girls to his home and make them wife for him if he pleased that. Be aware that in most or all cases that has been against the will and wish of those young women. Female persons in such position, as war price, even if was “married” to the man who month ago was killed all her family (dad, mom, brothers, sisters…) in front of her eyes, was obligated to “love and respect her new “husband” according to divine Law. Try to imagine! How would feel your daughter, or daughter of your relatives in such position? (kidnaped and raped)
              HOW such inspired works and law of “only true religion” in the history of God’s organization or chosen nation of old times, is BENEFICIAL for you, me, others around us? HOW such examples can be GUIDANCE in our life? And what is the PURPOSE and ROLE MODEL that we can imitate today.
              What is the CONSTANT in a events, theme and inspired Law as in this one?
              Not criticizing you or other who thinking like you, just putting in the daylight this matter, question, about perception that rising in the issue like this. And there is few more in the book.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Srecko, I understand your concern and I cannot answer your question as I do not have an educated answer to it, other than it was in keeping with the behaviours of those times. I suggest you ask Robert or other learned person in the subject. Nevertheless, things changed after the law was fulfilled by Christ, and as to the past, I do not know the mind of Jehovah. I can speculate, but I don’t think that would be helpful. The issues for me are as stated in faith and love. I will have to leave the anomilies to the professors. If you find out, please let me know.

            • Srecko Sostar

              Hi Burt! If we stand on explanation “it was in keeping with the behaviours of those times” like you said as one of possible way to understand those events, than we who living in our days must be very open and fully of understanding and completely accept also for behaviors and anomalies of today’s society and individuals as normal part of human behaviors today.
              In that case we would not have the right to pointing with finger on this and that on she or he as bad or right. :)) but to live, put, left all what is happening today to perception and judgement of future generations.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello Srecko I had noticed you made some serious accusations against the Israelites and I was wondering which particular incident are you referring to, I mean for instance you said
              “Israeli soldiers have permitted to kill all people and to destroy all material possessions and homes of hostile and non hostile nations in promised land, –

              Now I could most certainly agree that the Israelites were commanded to take hold of the promised land but as for the atrocities that you mentioned below I cannot find a Biblical record of that particular incidents which you mentioned below.

              You said
              “BUT also have licence to take all virgin girls to his home and make them wife for him if he pleased that. Be aware that in most or all cases that has been against the will and wish of those young women.

              So could you provide us with scriptural verification so that we can confirm your accusation?.

              I would greatly appreciate. Thank you.

            • Srecko Sostar

              Hello Kevin.
              Here are the places;

              Numbers 31:17,18 (here is many numbers of captive woman, married and not married and the children, so they must making inspections on all of them to find which one is virgin, all other woman and children boys was slaughtered after, perhaps 10 of thousands and their bodies must be buried in one way or another)

              Deuteronomy 21:10-14 (here is even not mentioned virginity, but only if captive woman is beautiful as justification to enter her inside the soldier tent, and if she not pleased him he can divorce her any time)

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello again Srecko and thank you for answering my request concerning where the actual accounts were in the bible.

              As you may know there’s two sides to every story and sometimes even more so that’s why I personally make sure all things as Paul instructed.

              Now you have already vented your opinion / perspective based on what you know so I thought it would be good to examine Jehovah’s perspective.

              Excerpt:
              Divine Judgments—Were They Cruel?

              THE EXTERMINATION OF THE CANAANITES

              WHAT YOU MAY HEAR: “The destruction of the Canaanites was a cruel war crime comparable to modern-day genocides.”

              WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS: “All [God’s] ways are justice. [He is] a God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice.” (Deuteronomy 32:4) An act of divine justice is not comparable to a human war. Why? Because unlike humans, God is able to read hearts—that is, what humans are on the inside.

              For example, when God judged the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and determined to bring them to ruin, the faithful man Abraham was concerned about the justice of the matter. He could not imagine that his just God would “sweep away the righteous with the wicked.” Patiently, God reassured him that if there were even ten righteous people in Sodom, He would spare the city on their account. (Genesis 18:20-33) Clearly, God searched through the hearts of those people and saw the depth of their wickedness.—1 Chronicles 28:9.

              Similarly, God judged the Canaanites and rightly ordered their destruction. The Canaanites were notorious for their cruelty, which included burning children alive in sacrificial fires. * (2 Kings 16:3) The Canaanites knew that Jehovah had commanded Israel to take possession of all the land. Those who chose to remain and wage war were taking a deliberate stand against not only the Israelites but also Jehovah, who had given powerful evidence that he was with his people.

              Moreover, God extended mercy to Canaanites who abandoned their wickedness and accepted Jehovah’s high moral standards. For example, the Canaanite prostitute Rahab was saved, along with her family. Also, when the inhabitants of the Canaanite city of Gibeon sought mercy, they and all their children were preserved alive.—Joshua 6:25; 9:3, 24-26.

              HOW YOU ARE INVOLVED: We can learn a vital lesson from the judgment of the Canaanites. We are rapidly approaching the foretold “day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” (2 Peter 3:7) If we love Jehovah, we will benefit when he eliminates human suffering by ridding the earth of those who reject his just rule. The Canaanites were notoriously cruel, and they deliberately opposed God and his people

              Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130501/divine-judgments-were-they-cruel/#?insight%5Bsearch_id%5D=739fcae5-46d7-4f54-92f9-3a7919b7ae9e&insight%5Bsearch_result_index%5D=4

              Read a lot more>

              Search JW.ORG https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Canaanites

            • Srecko Sostar

              Just a brief review Kevin.
              Of all the human hearts in the world at that time, were the hearts of the Canaanites sufficiently evil and irreparable that they were the only ones who deserved complete destruction but no one else in the world of mankind? And for that same mankind Bible (God) said, “for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth” Genesis 8:21 ? Remember, talking about divine justice for all mankind, not only for Jew or Canaanites or Gibeon. According to such Gods statement all hearts are evil, because intent can not be evil if heart is not evil. Or …

              And was Rahab’s heart the only one who deserved mercy? Her relatives had their life thanks to Rahab, and nothing specifically suggests that it was because of their repent hearts, but because of the strong fear for a own life, Joshua 2:11. And that fear make them as some kind of traitors to their own people in the city. Normally, power for surviving is very strong.

              This and more other things are too much to accept, understand and put away without asking questions. :))

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Srecko ask
              “Of all the human hearts in the world at that time, were the hearts of the
              Canaanites sufficiently evil and irreparable that they were the only ones who
              deserved complete destruction but no one else in the world of mankind?
              The answer to your question is obviously yes or why else would Jehovah destroy them?.
              Their hearts were not only wicked but they also stood in direct opposition to Jehovah’s purpose
              But please keep in mind that the Canaanites had plenty of time to vacate the area and preserve their lives but instead they chose to stay in opposition to Jehovah’s purpose and you know the
              rest. For Jehovah of armies has decided, And who can thwart it? Isaiah 14:27-Ahttps://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/mcr/22524202/

              Also you have to remember that the Canaanites were well aware of what took place in Egypt and the destruction
              that was bestowed upon Egypt from Jehovah because they refused to free his people, in other words the Egyptians had no fear of Jehovah, I mean imagine it took 10 plagues to convince the Egyptians that there is an almighty GOD and his name is Jehovah.

              Rahab and her family surely heard about Jehovah’s awesome power and that means the Canaanites surly heard too but unlike the Canaanites Rahab and her family surely had faith and feared Jehovah’s awesome power thus conforming to Jehovah’s will.

              Now even though the Canaanite were well aware of Jehovah’s awesome power they still stood in opposition to Jehovah suffering the ultimate consequences because they did not fear Jehovah and evacuate the land that was promised to the Israelites, Instead they chose to stay and fight Jehovah and in fact we’re going to have a parallel in the immediate future Revelation 19:19-21. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/revelation/19/#v66019019

              The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom, And knowledge of the Most Holy One is understanding. For by me your days will be many, And years will be added to your life. If you become wise, you are wise to your own advantage, But if you are a ridiculer, [like the Canaanites] you alone will bear it. Proverbs 9:10.12.

              Before the men lay down to sleep, she came up to them on the roof. She said to the men: “I do know that Jehovah will give you the land and that the fear of you has fallen upon us. All the inhabitants of the land are disheartened because of you, for we heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea before you when you left Egypt and what you did to the two kings of the Amʹor·ites, Siʹhon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction on the other side of the Jordan. When we heard about it, we lost heart, and no one has any courage because of you, for Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Now, please, swear to me by Jehovah that, because I showed loyal love to you, you will also show loyal love to my father’s household; and you must give me a sign of good faith. You must spare the lives of my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them, and you must save us from death.”Joshua2: 8-13. Read
              more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/joshua/2/#v6002010

              Moral of the story.

              Let’s Be wise like Rahab and her family and fear Jehovah and give him glory and just maybe we will be saved.

              Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger. Zephaniah2:3.

              At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand thatGod is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.Act 10:34-35

              The Revelation of Christ Now at Hand!. Excerpt: Before the exodus from Egypt Jehovah brought a series of devastating plagues upon that great nation. There were plagues of gnats and frogs and
              swarms of devouring locusts. Pestilence and ulcers. There was a terrible hail storm that pulverized their trees and crops. There was a plague of deathly darkness that latest three days. Then the 10th plague —the execution of the firstborn in all of Egypt.

              Jehovah’s judgment upon Egypt was so impactful and impressive when the Israelites approached the Promised Land after 40 years of wandering on the wilderness Rahab, the prostitute of Jericho, told the two spies that they had heard what Jehovah had done to Egypt. And they were terrified. book of
              Revelation. It reveals a similar pattern. After portraying the sealed 144,000 of the 12 tribes of “Israel” and the gathered great crowd, or “vast mixed company” if you prefer, standing before the throne, as if waiting for God to act, the seventh seal is opened. The unsealing of the final seal results in seven angels blowing their trumpets —heralding the immediately unfolding judgments of Jehovah God. “The first one blew his trumpet. And there was hail and fire mingled with blood, and it was hurled to the earth; and a third
              of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green vegetation was burned up.”

              Anyone who believes the Bible to be the word of God will naturally
              wonder: When will these awesome judgments come to pass? Not so Jehovah’s Witnesses though. The reason being, it is all theocratic history. For example, here is what the Grand Climax publication says about the blowing of the first trumpet: Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/revelation-christ-now-hand/

              Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose.https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-divine-purpose/

            • Srecko Sostar

              I think that main reason why Canaanites were been killed is not their malicious or idol worshiping but because they living in land that was promised to Abraham’s seed. I think that in time when Abraham was living he as very, very rich man came into legal possession by trade, buying plenty of lands from some other owners in Canaan and other places and i suppose that has been very big areas.
              Events has been such that Abraham’s offspring ended in slavery. In mean time other peoples, tribes and nations migrated and stayed in “promised land”.
              So, Israelites, de facto taking what was the heritage from their forefathers, no matter did they were aware of that fact or not.
              On other hand, tribes who already lived in Canaan perhaps do not know the history of the land in that way but consider that Israel people are some kind of invaders and just try to defend, fight for own homes and families.
              That gives another picture and new perspective on all that what was happened and what is explained in “official report” and viewpoint from JWorg.
              greetings!

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Please see my comment for this article

          • the answer to your question is that after/while reading & studying scripture and honest heart effort drawing close to Jehovah, Jehovah is who proves to be and he himself is who makes it grow.
            the bible is that tool he has used having
            humans record for the rest of us. otherwise i suppose he could have had it
            rain down computer tablets but i think
            writing things down to read was a good idea to start

            • Srecko Sostar

              Just two examples how we can have problem with written material;

              1)And of every living thing of all flesh, TWO OF EVERY SORT shalt thou bring into the ark. —Genesis 6:19
              2)Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by SEVENS, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by TWO, the male and his female. —Genesis 7:2

              1)And after SIX days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart… —Matthew 17:1
              2)And it came to pass about an EIGHT days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. —Luke 9:28

            • yeah half-assed reading & studying can have that effect

            • Srecko Sostar

              :))))))) very good!

            • how many times did Jesus foretell his death to his disciples? could it have been more than once i suspect?

          • L.H.

            Hi Srecko, just a thought, if you don’t mind.
            I think God allows things to see what we as humans do with it. Even in the bible we can always, if we want to , find an excuse to do wrong things. The Babylonian religions have done that for ages, and even Gods own people!
            A lot of time people apply the bible to others, and even become “masters of their faith”.
            Ecc.8:9 “…man has dominated man to his harm”.
            The Christian way is supreme to that, for example Phil.4:5 “Let your reasonableness become known to all man”.

            • Srecko Sostar

              Hi LH, nice comment!

    • Burt Reynolds

      Yes! I can sympathise with those feelings as I experienced them for myself. The presiding overseer refused to perform the marriage ceremony for me as he thought I was too young and that if he approved of my step, his own son would rebel ( his son wanted to marry as well). It amounted to a denunciation of the whole congregation. A ministerial servant did the ceremony instead. I’m not sure he was qualified now come to think of it! As for education, all the elders had their own homes, or could rent a respectable home due to a good job and they sure did preach the denunciation of younger ones getting further education and thus kept many of us in poverty, and lorded over by themselves. The inference was that anyone single and not aiming for bethel work or pioneer work was ‘weak’ or ‘worldly’ and that was a terrible slur in those days. To cut a long story short, I ended up in a mouldering trailer home 22 feet long, no bathroom, not even a toilet, just a bucket…quite a big bucket actually….and a latrine to dump it in, in the corner of the site….you could in those days. And our one chair only had three legs to it! Meanwhile, I worked in a clothing store and did a full days preaching every Wednesday and Saturday. The misery caused to my wife and I, and the (unspoken but felt) derision and humiliation from all the congregation was significant in our lives, not to mention the six mile walk to the meetings and ministry. But my wife and I seemed to be the only ones in the congregation ‘doing as we should’ whilst the others had their flash cars, comfortable home and, so important for me at that time, the respect of others. I had no respect for my sacrifices, only false sympathy and derision from others, yet I did not see I was wrong to need that respect. Even my clothes were on hire purchase ! It was a huge case of ‘do as I say, not as I do.’ And yet, it was the right thing to do, but I could not see past the falsity of the congregation, to the truth that lay beyond it, because they did not teach it, or practice it themselves! If I had the independence of mind, instead of yielding my spirit to be a man pleaser, if I had seen the bible and not men, if I had been given the example to follow, or even without it if my insight had been good, then I would still be living in that trailer and pioneering…I hope. Paul was right…if you can make room for it, make room for it…so sure I would still be married but still pioneering too…I hope. It’s one thing to be embittered by the machinations of men….I think we all are to an extent, but another thing to miss the point and teaching of the scripture. We need to think beyond our life experiences if we are to see the truth beyond and understand that the watchtower has many good, biblical teachings to share. I had to did my own sewer pipe both for my trailer and for my life, and I nearly dug straight past Jehovah, but I didn’t. And that’s the point. It is Jehovah that should be our life experience, not the contrivances of men. So yes, you are right, but now take the next step and rest easy now that you have found Jehovah here, and let the hurt be healed by him.

      • The Ancient Witness

        Good post Burt! It IS all about your relationship with Jehovah and our TRUE mediator- Jesus Christ. Jesus set the example.

        I must admit, I do want to just grab some of these wannabe self-appointed Watchtower leaders and Elders and just administer a good old fashioned country whipping. I am sure doing so would put a much needed smile on many a face in the “healthy sheep” that hang on to rationality. But, Jehovah says this is a big NO-NO. Jehovah has plans in motion to do this very thing in his way and in his timeline of Justice.

        AW

      • Richard Long

        And after all that,the pain of losing the marriage and another round of humiliations by the elders..Burt, Jehovah must want to keep you REAL BAD! Your endurance and presence here has been our great blessing!

      • Joel

        Wow! Thank you for sharing your personal story as a JW with us Burt. It really hit home for me. Thank you.

        • Burt Reynolds

          It’s not really meant as a ‘confession’ so to speak, but an illustration on the issue raised by Ancient Witness that many witnesses labour under worship of the governing body. He has a point that some do, with independence of mind, with full knowledge of mind, choose such a course, but to others like myself, it was more of a belief that I was being told the truth. Why deviate from it? It seems to me to be explained as akin to Stockholm Syndrome, where captives begin to identify with their captors and believe the cause. As with those who get drawn into that syndrome, they do not necessarily understand the true motive, only the symptoms of such. This is most evident in the treatment of mental health illness even today, where the causal root is rarely understood in its meaning to the patient, and so the consultant will treat the symptoms only. Thus in the congregation, to many people, it just may not occur to them, that they are being lied to or mislead, because like me, they do not have a clear understanding of the scripture even when they read it. They need a teacher. And, critically, it is not simply a question of reading or checking the scriptures for themselves (even though it may be obvious to some ), and so people put their faith in those that explain these things too them, because what other choice do they have? If you are colourblind, how do you see colour, unless someone explains it too you? Thus, this worship that people refer to of the governing body, is in fact a focal point of belief in the truth for many witnesses. Look at what inference of being ‘spirit led’ that they apply to themselves.
          Jesus said that those who hear my voice will recognise it. Thus to those who stumble through this world, deaf and blind, may have thier eyes and ears opened by the sense alone of what is right, and that is the voice of the shepherd that penetrates right to the heart. So for the witness in the congregation, it is not worship, but a whole sense of being that is as close to their meaning for existence, as the bone is to the marrow, and that is why they are ‘thoroughly deceived’. It is only those that ‘hear his voice’ and can sense if you like, the gap between bone and marrow, that can be convinced that their perception of truth is a lie. There is a difference between wilfulness and faith, between faith and belief in what is truth, that deceives both victim and onlooker alike and thus we tend to blame those still trapped and call it worship because we ourselves cannot understand their condition. If this were not the case, then why will even the chosen be decieved? That things may not be as they seem, is and will be for many of us beyond our comprehension until Christ makes it clear at his return. Perhaps we should not let our condemnation of intent and thus evil, direct our thinking, but rather carry on loving these brothers who seem in awe of men.

      • well what did Robert show not too long ago about the WT’s new policy? you (repented child abusers) cant even get married in the Hall after being reinstated. i thought that was just stupid. not allowed to help operate the sound equipment ect… woopty doo, just lame an probably forced to sit at the back of the bus (Hall).

        • Burt Reynolds

          Very true. Their thinking in what constitutes putting things straight illustrates their total lack of understanding of the issues at hand, and the suffering of the victim. Let alone understanding Jehovah’s view point. It is also a contradiction in terms. If the sinner repents, are they not to be forgiven? ( I’m not going to get into recidivism here! Just the principle of forgiveness!). My opinion is that the governing body are simply not qualified to deal with issues that even professionally qualified people struggle with and that they should always call in professional advice. That it comes from people of the world, does not mean that such advice is worldly. They trust their own doctors I presume!

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        I have made a new comment please see

    • Joel

      As much as I’d like to prove you wrong, I cannot. I know that what you have said is true. I can’t deny it.

      • Thinking

        double posting

      • Thinking

        Daniel 11:35

        New American Standard Bible
        “Some of those who have insight will fall, in order to refine, purge and make them pure until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time.

        King James Bible
        And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

    • Thinking

      Zechariah 13:9 [Full Chapter]
      And I will bring that surviving third through, testing them as if through fire, purifying them like silver, assaying them like gold. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘This is my people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      I have made a new comment for the article If Russia bans Jehovah’s witnesses please see

  • Anderiega

    I can only speak to what Jehovah’s witnesses in my area are saying about the possible ban. They all say the same thing: “Satan is persecuting us.”

    Nobody is connecting the 1914 dots and “BTG has fallen” proclamation to this….At least around here. People I know are whole heartedly committed to the GB and all WT doctrine.

    It’d be nice if more did start thinking about bans (like in other countries and Russian recent history) so that we could all have deeper Biblical conversations with our brothers and sisters. But speaking from experience, this time hasn’t arrived in my Kingdom Hall….. yet.

    • Daisy

      “Persecution from Satan” is the same thought in every jw mind as surely as that fate is the same fate of any religious group that does not pledge allegiance to the Russian government.

      Sadly, jws are blindly unaware that the allegiance they show to the GB, and not to Christ will be the greatest good judgment they will soon bear. Frightening…

  • Larry Wilson

    JWs believe they are the only true religion and that all other religions are false, further than when God comes to destroy the wicked world, he will destroy everyone but them. So it does become a legal question whether or not “freedom of religion” includes the right to defame any other religion in public. Anti-defamation policy already introduced to the UN recommends essentially privatizing religion; practice it in your own home or in groups of no more than three. No public assembly. Atheism is proof that you can have a belief system apart from a religious practice. Atheism is a “belief system” but not a typical religion. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of belief can be handled separately from a legal point of view. As the world moves toward being more secular and more globalist, the sensitivity to defamatory “hate speech” against other groups will increase. Racial sensitity, sexist sensitivity, sexual orientation sensitivity, and transgender sensitivity has resulted in changes in laws and legislation. Maybe in the future religious intolerance will be less protected.

    • Christians have the obligation and duty to teach people the truth. That is Christ’s commission. In order to teach people the truth it is necessary to expose the lies that people believe. Whether the state permits Christians to do so is irrelevant.

      • Joel

        Here, here!

    • Srecko Sostar

      Hi! Interesting is the view of WTJWorg, they say atheism (world government under the leadership of the UN) will begin to destroy firstly, before anyone else, the “false” religion, and only after the destruction of all (false) religions of the world, attack on the JW organization will begin.
      If this interpretation remained the same until today, there is a problem about the order in which the destruction of religion begins. WT doctrine said; 1) all false religions, 2) JW organization, 3) armageddon, 4) new world begin.
      Because Russian “attack” is not with approval of UN, why would anyone look, consider this event as “persecution” from “satan”?? and some sort of overture in Armageddon??
      We can also ask why one world power considers the JW, not as false religion but extremist religion?? (Russia is not banned only JW, but also some other Christian denominations) Are these other churches “false” or not, because they are attacked by “Satan’s world” simultaneously with the “right” religion too, namely JW? :))))
      Ohhh, we must not forget that “destruction” of religion is not a new phenomenon that is reserved only for our time period of living. That is all time process, look the history.
      JW is not the only denomination that is under attack from “secular authority”, in Russia or in some other countries with another sort of government.
      Just few thoughts,but much can be said about illogicality and inconsistency in the interpretations and reasons of what is going on in Russia from the standpoint of WTJWorg and feelings that those events produce in JW members.
      What is official standpoint of GB about meaning of this “attack” on them in Russia? Is their worldwide call for sending letters because of large number of witnesses in that country main reason (and real estate also)? There is some 30 countries under the ban according to Yearbook, why GB not calling all JW members to write letters to them too??? What is so special with Russia? Are other JW people not suffering for decades in those lands?
      What is about people in JW midst that suffer in various way, members and others? Why not sending letters as sort of activism for other humanity reasons, and not only for religious freedom reasons???

      • Beverly kenyon

        Wow, Srecko, you took me back to what I was taught when I was studying with JW’s. After the UN has destroyed BGT, then the Beast will turn on JW’s as they would be the only ones defying the Beast to carry on preaching and then when they turn on God’s people then that’s when Jehovah destroys them at Armageddon and they used the scripture of his eyeball being touched. Zec3:8. I remember telling so many people that explanation when I witnessed to them just like when I was proudly telling them about 1914…I can still see that Asian lady’s little face as she took it all in and in turn I was believing and reinforcing the LIE and laminating it in my brain just make sure it was firmly embedded! Once again I want to say thank you to Brother King for telling me the truth about that Deluding Influence and fat lie! And I agree with you Srecko about, what’s so special about the Russian ban because as you say. there’s like 30 other countries under ban! I don’t get it apart from the real estate factor. Great to see you here on EWatchman and you’re still plodding on like the rest of us and you’re in good health. Take care and stay safe.

        • Srecko Sostar

          Hiya Beverly! :)) Happy to hear your comments! Yes that bible verse giving strong impression on emotions, and giving hope to people, but also can be interpret wrongly or inadequately.
          Can you rephrase your sentence, “I don’t get it apart from the real estate factor.” it is difficult for my weak english vocabulary, so i am not sure do you mean, as i do, that material possession is also big reason for JWorg to took letters campaign? 🙂
          Wish you all best in life! greetings!

          • Beverly kenyon

            Hiya Srecko, sorry about that. What I meant was I don’t get it about the amount of attention the Russians are getting from the gb/wt, so it makes me think just like others have said, it’s because they’ll be losing material possessions they have in that country (real estate). Srecko your English is brilliant and it’s great to hear from you as I always look forward to reading your informative posts. Best wishes to you too Srecko. Stay safe.

            • Srecko Sostar

              In a “new light interpretation” that GB is not appointed “over all belongings”, but only to “share spiritual food”, we all who are naive enough , can making conclusion that all that worldwide “GB letter intervention” is only because of big love for members (donators) :)))) (ironically said of course, hehehe)

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, Srecko, well the gb could share that big love for its members by physically handing in some of those letters personally and I get the ‘tongue in cheek’ (ironic) point you’re making. Lol.

            • Srecko Sostar

              you said well Beverly, personal letters with handwrite (are rare today) and giving them personally will be very nice. ( but can be used as PR propaganda also)
              Why everything have 2 side??? :))))

            • Beverly kenyon

              Blimey Srecko, that’s a brilliant point…I can just see a gb member or two doing a PR propaganda move like that. Never thought of it like that. On a personal level while we’re on that subject Srecko, did you get over your prison stay and did it have any lasting effects on you apart from it could’ve been avoided knowing what you know now about their stupid man made rules?! If you don’t want answer as it might be upsetting for you then that’s okay, I understand.

    • Jehovah’s witnesses, dont believe that.

  • Simpletruth

    Interesting. I never thought about the fact that it sheds light on the 1914 lie

    • I think the WT is already moving to make an adjustment to compensate. The November 2016 WT on Babylon the Great discarded the notion that the Bible Students went into captivity to Babylon the Great in 1918. Of course, it is true, they didn’t go into captivity then. However, the reason the GB gave for their adjustment was that the Bible Students were not really persecuted by Christendom. They were targeted by secular authorities. By divorcing the harlot from the beast the WT may be maneuvering to cover themselves in the event that JW’s are banned in Russia. Admittedly, it will require a very large covering. (See Isaiah 28:20)

      • Daisy

        So the WT has “made their bed and will have to lie in it” but it won’t meet their needs. No rest in the near future then for those who only have themselves to blame. Good ol’ Isaiah 28.

        • That saying was tailor made for the WT. Hey, at least something fits. ;~)

          • Daisy

            Except for the size of the bed and its duvet…won’t be getting much sleep then 😀

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          My comment for this article I posted please see

      • but then what about the part of that adjustment thats a 1,600 brief moment year?

        https://e-watchman.com/exile-in-babylon-when/

        • well i guees we’ll see what the WT conveniently right on que makes up as another new flash of devine light this time

  • Burt Reynolds

    Hello everyone! I don’t want to be alarmist but we have just had two RAF war plans speeding out into the North Sea. Unusual this far down as when the Ruskies invade our airspace they are usually up by Beverly in Manchester. Down here on the extremity of the Thames where it meets the North Sea we are on the approach to London. So if Daisy and I go quiet, you’ll know why! I suppose it’s normal for you guys in the states to have airforce, troops and warships rolling past your doors but here in Blighty we don’t launch war planes unless there is a problem because we can’t afford the petrol! We didn’t even launch more than a trawler when Russia sailed its navy past Dover a month or two ago. Also, our prime minister has gone for re-election in June 6th ( D-Day anniversary for you history buffs), supposedly so that we can have a problem free exit from the European Community, but it is in fact a move to rid the sceptics from the leading party and thus give themselves a solid marjority. However, that excuse is more likely to have a solid majority for a war footing, than pulling out of Europe for that is already a done deal. So, watch this space as they say, and a space is all that England might be before long!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Watch out Russians – a firebreathing Dragon is coming to get you! State-of-the-art Royal Navy destroyer is on its way to make sure Putin’s attack fleet leave English Channel

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3858514/Russia-s-attack-fleet-closes-Dover-Putin-s-warships-prepare-enter-English-Channel-TODAY-way-launch-strikes-Syria.html#ixzz4ei7ecxAi
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      • Jamie Mac

        Sounds like your describing Margaret Thatcher in her hey day 🙂

        • Joseph of Aramathea

          Hahaha hahaha hahaha, true!

          • Jamie Mac

            Hey Joseph, lets see you find an image or a clip for that then. 🙂 🙂

      • Joseph of Aramathea

        Boys and their Toys!

      • Brian

        All much ado about zip!

        • Jamie Mac

          Quite right Brian, nothing unusual about this. The only usual thing is the panicky reporting hype we are provided with every time this happens.

          It could quite easily nullify our efforts to keep on the watch. So in one sense it is good to talk about it as I think this keeps our perspective and senses on high alert. After all we do not want to be caught off guard.

          • Brian

            True about nullifying to be on the watch although I don’t suffer from that personally.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Love this post! Made me lol and terrified at the same time…exhilarating in a twisted way! Those Ruskies can go invade Birmingham airspace they can handle it as they talk weird! Looks like if the North Koreans don’t take you and Daisy out, remember Francis Bencharles did post Daisy’s co- ordinates…she’s thataway, lol, then the Ruskies will get the job done. You’re right Burt on the elections, yawn, the ‘succubus’ has pulled a strategic move there. I’m really surprised we have a State of the art Royal Navy destroyer as Bklyn Kevin mentioned in his post, as I was under the impression that we shared our war ships with France and we have to borrow off them!

      • Burt Reynolds

        I thought we rented our war machine from the French too, and our airforce from Wilber & Wright Brothers LTD. Suppliers of Bird Men to His Majesty’s Kite Force.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Really giggling here. Kite Force…hilarious! I thought we shared a couple of war ships ( probably a couple of tug boats ), with the French…so much for Britannia on the Waves!

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            See my comment for this article

        • Beverly kenyon

          In reference to Bklyn Kevin’s post about that Royal Navy Destroyer named, Dragon, I was wondering is that the Empire paying homage to their master as London is the Devil’s Throne as mentioned in Brother King’s Book and the Dragon is mentioned in the Book of Revelation 12:7,9,13,16,17. Also in Chinese culture there’s mention of Dragon and ancient carvings of Dragon and maybe also other ancient cultures but not quite sure. Just a bit of a radical thought there.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            The Pronouncement of Tyre .
            Excerpt:
            Since Satan and his demon angels were obviously not hurled down to earth when Nebuchadnezzar sacked Tyre, it is apparent that ancient Tyre will most assuredly have a modern counterpart prior to the revelation of Jesus Christ. Given the description of Tyre in the prophecies it is evident that London is that counterpart. (For a detailed consideration of the topic see the chapter: London – Satan’s Throne.)
            Read more>
            https://e-watchman.com/the-pronouncement-of-tyre/

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Bklyn Kevin, for me, the naming of that warship shows how the original Dragon can’t help but mark his territory…so vain….especially when we read in Brother King’s insightful article that you’ve provided how ancient Tyre matches up to its modern counterpart, London and London being his Throne and where he operates. Thanks Bklyn Kevin for the link to have another great read of that brilliant and eye opener article!

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            Look into my comment for this article

    • Richard Long

      “HMS Dragon was seen leaving Portsmouth Harbour to keep an eye on the Russian vessels”

      Burt, is this an “unusual” nomenclature for HMS vessels? Is the City of London publicly claiming its heritage?

      Stay safe.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Yes. I expect so.

    • Jamie Mac

      What happens if the Russians do attack while the 2 jets speed out over the North Sea. They are the only 2 we have They are probably both on loan from the Saudis

      • Burt Reynolds

        Ha ha. You’re probably right. The whole British airforce demolished in one go. Both of them!

  • The Supreme Court decided to liquidate the centralized religious organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, as well as all 395 local religious organizations of this religion.

    Believers have already begun to prepare a complaint to the appellate instance (the panel consisting of three judges of the Supreme Court), which should be considered within a month.

  • Max

    So they really banned the friends in Russia. It’s very sad to know the troubles and harship they will have to face to continue doing Jehovah’s work. Now it is left to see what the WT will do… Are they going to go along with the ban or are they going underground and continue the Kingdoms’s work. I truly hope they continue and follow through the King’s orders of spreding the good news of the Kingdom.

  • 2 Timothy 2:19
    Despite that, the solid foundation of God remains standing, having this seal, “Jehovah knows those who belong to him,” and, “Let everyone calling on the name of Jehovah renounce unrighteousness.”

    Psalm 25:14
    Close friendship with Jehovah belongs to those who fear him, And he makes his covenant known to them.

    Jeremiah 10:23
    I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      See my comment for this article

  • Joe Smith

    Well the Ban was successful and while it is in itself an extreme sanction many of the accusations against JW Org have some validity. Of course now the members will go into underground mode …again….and the worldwide brotherhood will spin this as a sign and further proof that they have the troof and the GB really do thrive in this situation.

  • Srecko Sostar

    According to The Guardian, Russia bans Jehovah’s Witnesses and labels group as extremists
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/20/russia-bans-jehovahs-witnesses

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Kind attention! Kind attention! Please go through my comment and correct me if I am wrong.

    To Brother Robert King, Bklyn Kevin, Baruq, Sister Daisy, brother Beverly kenyon Burt Reynolds D.A. sports, , LW, Joel, and Srecko Sostar, Joseph Stephan and to all brothers and sisters.

    I did not deliberately posted my comments for this article until the decision taken by the Russian Government.
    The JW in Russia is totally banned. Now where is the face of GB? If we are already freed form Babylon the great how is then the Babylon the great the Russian Orthodox Church can ban JW? This itself is a proof that the true Christian congregation did not go into the captivity of Babylon the great. Then how can you connect the captivity of true Christians in first century going under the pagan Roman Catholic Church and JW appearing in late 19th century? We can connect like this:- True worship was there during the days of Noah after the deluge but as the days passed it went under Nimrods rule similarly we can say that true worship was there from the days of Jesus until all the apostles died and up until 300AD. From the days of Constantine (Spiritual Nimrod) the true church came under the control of Roman Catholic Church (Babylon). But when Jehovah confused the language of the groups of people started coming out of Babylon and during those days one man named Abraham came out of Babylon with uniqueness as Jehovah’s worshiper. Similarly now too from 19th century many Christian sects was breaking away from the clutches of Roman catholic and among that one came out with its uniqueness was IBSA now known as JW that carried the name of Jehovah which is similar to Abraham coming out of UR (Babylon). When famine struck the land of Canaan (Gen: 12:10) Abraham went to Egypt, when again the famine struck in the days of Jacob (Read: Gen: 41:57 and 42:5) the entire Israel went to Egypt, Jehovah provided Egypt as a helping hand for his people to get protected. Similarly though there was opposition in Europe from Roman Catholic hierarchy for other sects of Christianity, just like how Egypt was a protector to God’s people, similarly the constitution of US gave a similar protection to the rights and freedom of worship to Jehovah’s witnesses, thus Jehovah’s witnesses thrived as an unique Christian group bearing the name of Jehovah just as Israel was thrived as unique nation in Egypt (Read Ex: 1:7; 9). Thus Jehovah’s witnesses can preach worldwide.

    So when did they went into captivity? Ancient Israel went into captivity under the ruthless rule of Egyptian Pharaoh but they also went under the Babylon during the days of Nebuchadnezzar. In ancient setting they went twice at different time period. But modern day setting is somewhat parallel but different now Jehovah’s people will go under captive (together) that is when the modern day Egypt itself (that is The United states of America) will be subjected under the ruler ship of hard master (King of North) (Read: Isaiah: 19:4), then KON will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones (Read Dan: 8:24). Then the KON will introduce the new age religion where all the religions of the world are
    united under the guidelines of New age religion, the New age religion can be properly called as Babylon the great (that is the harlot sitting on many waters Rev:17:1) then the only people who will not go according to the guide lines of New age religion will be the people of Jehovah, then that itself will be like reports out of the east and out of the north will disturb him, and he will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. And he will plant his royal tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration;

    That is the time actually when the Christian congregation will go into captivity under the Babylon the great. Then where will GB keep their face? After then when the KON declares Peace and security!” under one world religion and one world government “then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, (1st Thes: 5:3) by Michael who will stand up, as great prince on behalf of Jehovah’s people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. (Dan; 12:1). Only after then will be freedom from Babylon the great (And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book).

    • Richard Long

      Very thought provoking.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Hi Basa, thoroughly enjoyed reading your essay and the essay you wrote on Baruq too, very informative and it geared up my thought process a notch. With Nimrod you can see the appearance of false worship as people looked to Nimrod for their security and ‘care provider’, a man who was in direct opposition to Jehovah God, a man who came through the cursed line of Canaan whose father was Ham. Gen9:24. Then later on you have True Worship at the appearance of Abraham. Then like you rightly point out we had True Worship until all the Apostles died off and True Worship came under control of Catholic Church (Babylon) and that’s an interesting point comparing Constantine to Nimrod, I see similarities. Fast forward to the end days with the appearance of the King of the North who people will be looking to for their security it shows two rivals again…True Worship and False Worship…take your pick whose side you’re on.

    • Srecko Sostar

      Interesting! One of “public secrets” about connections that WTJWorg made with UN is well known to this auditorium. Also WT have relationship with OSCE, if not directly but through sister companies as for example CCJW. And is there more what is not known yet? Involving in commercial business through trustees like M Riley as often mentioned on youtube.
      Yesterday i received this link and that is showing more”secret” works from WT. Connections with URI in interfaith activity.
      1) http://www.uri.org/about_uri
      2) http://www.uri.org/about_uri/global_council_trustees
      3) http://www.uri.org/search_results?cx=008267139695251349397%3A3kau9exrwow&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=Christian+Jehovah%27s+Witness+&x=26&y=12

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks for those links I will save it for proof you have done a great job for me

    • good thoughts.

      i like that you didnt use the word Christendon the whole time but called it what the scripture does – Babylon.

      acording to Roberts work, your part about peace and security seems out of
      order in the timeline of events. https://e-watchman.com/could-wwiii-begin/

      • Jamie Mac

        Hi D.A yes great comments from Basa as usual, but I like you couldn’t reconcile the part about peace and security either.

  • Srecko Sostar

    Please somebody to tell me. I gave two comments, one yesterday and one this morning, and they are not here. Is there some reason for that that i do not understand?
    One is about news that Russia banned JWorg, and other is reply to Basavaraj.
    Thanks!

    • Sometimes Disqus is buggy. I can’t explain it. But if you are wondering if I did anything the answer is no.

      • Srecko Sostar

        Thank you Robert! In both comment i have put a links to the source of my info, perhaps that was cause a trouble.

        • Srecko Sostar

          Appendix.
          After i made this first comment and went on looking other people replys i found that my reply to Basavaraj show up :))

  • dokimazo

    Seems you have an ax to grind that has besmirched your clear thinking. I guess we all have a right to have an opinion. I am just sorry that your anger has preceded all rational thinking ability. “Better is a little in the fear of Jehovah than an abundant supply and confusion along with it.” Prov.15.16

  • There was a short programme on a British radio station today which mentioned this.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p050zhpv

    • Jamie Mac

      Hi JW , I have just listened to this. It’s amazing a man of the cloth siding with Jehovah’s Witnesses. I think he is a man of the cloth. I totally agree with his summing up. i.e. It;s the Russia government who are acting in a extremist manner.

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