Jesus will be called “Mighty God”

//Jesus will be called “Mighty God”

Stumper Question for Jehovah’s Witnesses, #29 

Jesus Christ is referred to as “Mighty God” in Isa 9:6 (“For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us … And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God …”). Jehovah is referred to as “Mighty God” in Isa 10:20-21. How can this be if there is only one God (1Cor 8:4, Isa 43:10, 44:6)?

 

 

When a person has been indoctrinated into believing that Jesus did not come from God they are inclined to seize upon isolated versus in order to justify their otherwise indefensible theology.  But the surrounding text plainly indicates that the one who is referred to as mighty God is given to us. The question trinitarians will inevitably avoid is: who gave us the son? Who provided the child?

While on the one hand trinitarians will insist that the Father is his own person, still, in the mythology of the Trinity there is no detectable father/son relationship between Jehovah and Jesus. That makes it virtually impossible for a person to accurately know the truth. And as I’ve pointed out in previous responses, Jesus is not only a son, but he is a carbon copy, so-to-speak.

In the first chapter of Hebrews Paul referred to him as being an exact image and representation of God himself. So, if Jehovah is a mighty God, and Jesus is exactly like Jehovah, why should it be some extraordinary thing that the Scriptures also refer to the Son as a mighty god? Especially will that be the case when Jesus returns, coming in the glory of his Father, which is what the prophecy in Isaiah is in reference to – the coming of Christ in power and glory.


 

 

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2016-12-08T15:11:19+00:00 August 18th, 2015|Answers|5 Comments
  • Merton

    It also says ‘Eternal Father’…I thought Jesus was God the Son, not God the Father. I think the trinity doctrine states that the Father IS NOT the Son, the Son IS NOT the Father…so this verse would seem to rebuke the whole trinity doctrine itself as it states the Father is the Son… Whatever, it’s giving me a headache just trying to think like a trinitarian for a minute.

    The same hebrew term for ‘Father’ is found at Genesis 4:20 and 4:21. In languages like hebrew, father can be the start of something. Jabal was the father of those who live in tents, Jubat was the father of those who play harp and pipe. So it is perfectly reasonable to say Jesus is the father of the messianic age or the start of the messianic age.

    That same phrase for ‘God’ in Isaiah 9:6 is also found a couple of times in Ezekiel

    Ezekiel 32:21 – from within the grave the MIGHTY LEADERS/WARRIORS will say of Egypt and her allies…exactly the same phrase in Isaiah 9:6, yet there it’s translated Mighty God. Imagine 9:6 but with Mighty Leader instead. Now that makes perfect sense.

    Ezekiel 31:11 – I gave it into the hands of a LEADER of the nations….guess what? It says god in hebrew.

    Translators are perfectly happy to use different meanings for el gibor. We need to reason on the scriptures as a whole. Looking at isolated verses is a recipe for disaster.

  • Merton

    It says ‘his name will be called…’ not ‘he is/will be’ . I think in the dead sea scrolls ‘el gibbor’ appears as ‘elgibbor’.

    there are so many examples:

    Elijah – el and Jah

    Jerusalem – ‘Yahweh/Jehovah our righteousness’ (is Jerusalem God here too?)

    Gabriel – ‘gibbor’ + ‘el’ translated as strength of God

    Joshua – God saves

    Yeshua (Jesus) – God (Yah) saves

    Michael – who is like God (el)

    Go and get a copy of the septuagint. Here’s how the Greek speaking Jews understood this verse:

    For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: [e] for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

    Ever wondered why this verse ‘proving Jesus is God’ is never quoted by the writers in the New Testament? If the NT writers were trying to promote the trinity (as trinitarians today are convinced) then they would not have stopped short of quoting Isaiah 9:6 like all the trinitarians like to do today.

  • John 14:28

    28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

  • John 16:28

    28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”

  • Merton

    Who says this is even a messianic prophecy? I don’t see any reference to verse 6 in the new testament. (verses 1-4/5 are somewhere in Matthew)

    Even worse, notice the past tense ‘A child has been born to us, a son given’. I’ve noticed some present day translations say ‘A child will be born…’ indicating some sort of future prophecy. You’re being deceived trinitarians! This chapter and surrounding chapters are about the Assyrian attack by Sennacherib. The child being talked about is Hezekiah!

    Even if this was some sort of messianic prophecy, the trinitarian is still left with the minor fulfilment/major fulfilment issue. Ok so let’s say the major fulfilment is Jesus, and Jesus is the Mighty God (notice Jesus is never called Mighty God in the new testament – I would go further and say he’s never even called God but whatever), who was the Mighty God in the minor fulfilment?? Hezekiah? uh-oh…

    I rest my case!

    Robert, are you going to get back to doing these? Do you need some help doing them? I’m a bit of a non-trinitarian apologist these days…

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