How many Jehovahs are there?

//How many Jehovahs are there?

Question #51: How do you explain the 2 Jehovahs stated in Genesis 19:24? This was removed from your 2013 Bible, but is in prior versions. Jehovah made it rain sulfur and fire from Jehovah. Which means there are 2 Jehovahs. By reading the previous context this can be proven too. For example, Jehovah was physically standing before Abraham in Genesis 18:22. So the Jehovah that was on Earth called down fire from the Jehovah in heaven.

For a person who touts his expertise in exposing “JW lies” the questioner is astonishingly ignorant and frankly, untruthful. First, the newly revised NWT did not remove anything in that verse. The purpose of an honest translator is to add clarity to the text, which is what they did. 

Keeping in mind that the events recorded in the Bible book of Genesis took place hundreds of years before Moses even undertook to put them in writing, customs, expressions and idioms were very different four thousand years ago, even changing over the course of time from, say, Abraham to Moses; so, it should not seem out of the way that the literal expressions in Hebrew may seem awkward to the modern reader.

It certainly is an odd argument for a Jehovah-hating trinitarian to make, though, that there are two Jehovahs, since apparently one Jehovah is more than they can stomach. But evidently two Jehovahs are acceptable for the reason that it is a lie and any lie is preferable to the trinitarian than the simple truth that Jehovah is God.

As for the cornball idea that there are two Jehovahs, Jehovah must have anticipated this sort of foolishness when he declared to Moses: “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”

As for Genesis 19:24, here is the way the 2013 NWT renders it: “The sun had risen over the land when Lot arrived at Zoar. Then Jehovah made it rain sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah—it came from Jehovah, from the heavens.”

Whatever ambiguity the trinitarian wishes to inject into the passage to twist the Scriptures into supporting the cockamamie idea that there are two Jehovahs —one “Jehovah” apparently being Jesus (no mention of Jehovah #3 lurking about as the Holy Ghost) —the 2013 NWT makes it clear that the appearance of the name of Jehovah twice in the same verse does not constitute two individuals named Jehovah. The passage merely underscores that the fire was generated in the spirit realm and it came down from Jehovah in heaven —as opposed to a natural phenomena such as multiple lightning strikes or something of that nature.

It should be recognized that this was an extraordinary destruction. God could have caused an earthquake or brought in a violent windstorm. But he didn’t. It should have been clear to any who witnessed the event that the destruction of the two iniquitous cities was the work of God, which is why Moses emphasized the fact that the fire and sulphur “came from Jehovah, from the heavens.”

As for the absurd suggestion that one “Jehovah” was on the earth and another “Jehovah” was in heaven, the questioner obviously refuses to accept Jehovah’s own declaration that no man can see his face and live. Perhaps the questioner lacks the reasoning ability to sort it out? Whatever. But based upon the simple truth that no man has seen God nor can a human directly look upon the glorious Creator of the universe without being vaporized, we may categorically rule out the suggestion that the “man” called “Jehovah” was Jehovah himself.

Why is he called “Jehovah” then? The three “men” who came to Abraham were materialized angels. That the three “men” were angels is evident from the fact that the two “men” who went down to Sodom, to retrieve Lot and his family, are specifically identified as angels. The other “man” stayed behind with Abraham and answered his questions concerning the rightness of God’s judgments and the extent of his mercy. Because that angel spoke in behalf of Jehovah the angel is called “Jehovah.”

This was not the first time an angel spoke in behalf of Jehovah. A few years before an angel appeared to Abraham’s runaway concubine and spoke to her God’s message. But the account states of Hagar: Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her.” Whereas the account clearly states that an angel visited Hagar, it also says Jehovah spoke to her. Reasonable and intelligent people realize that the angel simply spoke for Jehovah. 

Some may wonder, though, why the angel took God’s name to himself or why he was allowed to by the Bearer of that name. Here are a couple of things to consider. First, as already stated, angels are God’s messengers. That is what angel means —messenger. In other words faithful angels speak for God. Secondly, given the fact that wicked angels promote the worship of holy angels, God’s angels are reluctant to reveal their personal names. The tendency to unduly honor or even worship angels simply because they are superior to humans was demonstrated by Manoah, Sampson’s father. Consider the account, which says: “Then Manoah said to Jehovah’s angel: ‘What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?’ However, Jehovah’s angel said to him: ‘Why are you asking about my name, seeing that it is a wonderful one?’”

The angel that materialized to Manoah and his wife did not appear as a normal human. Manoah’s wife, who first encountered the messenger, described him to her husband as “awe-inspiring.” Evidently that was not the case with the materialized messengers who visited Abraham. They evidently appeared as fully human. In any case, note Manoah’s tendency to want to honor the messenger was the reason the angel did not reveal his wonderful name. To underscore the reason the angel spoke in anonymity, there are only two instances in the Bible where angels personal names are revealed –one being Michael, the archangel, the other angel being Gabriel, who stands near to God. But look how Catholics have turned Gabriel into an object of reverence. Given the fact that the demons promote the worship of anything and everything other than Jehovah, it should now be obvious why the angel that appeared to Abraham was allowed to simply be described as “Jehovah.” Not only did he speak for Jehovah, but using God’s name was simply another way of saying: Why should you ask about my name?

Of course, because there is not a shred of support in the Bible for the three-in-one-god the trinitarians worship, they are compelled to fabricate trinitys from thin air —as is the case with this two Jehovahs nonsense.

Question #52: How do you explain the 2 Jehovahs at Isaiah 44:6?

Some of these questions are just stupid, but for the sake of offering an answer to whoever demands it, no matter how unreasonable they may be, the scripture relates two different roles and titles that Jehovah assigns to himself. Jehovah is the King of Israel and Jehovah is also the Repurchaser of Israel. There are not two Gods called “Jehovah.” There are merely two aspects of Jehovah’s relationship with his servant, Israel.

Question #53: How do you explain the 2 Gods at Amos 4:11?

Jehovah simply refers to himself in the third person, referring to the past when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. Again, there are not two Gods, just one God who uses various tenses of speech. 

2018-02-21T05:32:23+00:00 February 20th, 2018|60 Questions|41 Comments
  • J.M.J.

    Having worked in the construction industry .We went by the name of the company that employed us ,very much in the same terms as the angels .It would be said that the company had done this building ,or another building ,where in fact it was the workers .The company as owners probably never even got their hands dirty ,just gave out orders .

  • Marisa Gomez

    Verdaderamente hay que tener paciencia de acero para contestar tamañas estúpidas preguntas En que cabeza cabe que Dios son “tres en uno” LOL. LOL. LOL

    • Heidi Camacho

      Son 3 en uno en proposito y armonia. Son 3 en deidad. no son 3 en 1 y viceversa

      • Marisa Gomez

        No perdere mi tiempo con usted pues eso no es enseñanza biblica o en que parte de la biblia dice lo que estas mencionando? Bah!

  • The Raven

    Well, this article got a few chuckles out of me. Trinitarians are poor contortionists. Never could agree with views reinforced with a yardstick in parochial school. Interesting about the names of angels. Thank you, Robert.

  • Srecko Sostar

    “Keeping in mind that the events recorded in the Bible book of Genesis took place hundreds of years before Moses even undertook to put them in writing, customs, expressions and idioms were very different four thousand years ago, even changing over the course of time from, say, Abraham to Moses; so, it should not seem out of the way that the literal expressions in Hebrew may seem awkward to the modern reader.”

    Dear Watchman, are you sure you want make reasons and proves by such statement as introduction to explanation? 🙂 Not only for this issue but for all other too.

    • Yes. I am sure.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Quite right too. It is important that the development of language and meaning is expressed in such a way that the truth in understanding, and it meaning, is understood by both parties. This is clearly brought out in Courts of law and in areas of representation such as acting as an appropriate adult for a child and disabled people such as the deaf. Even though the original language could be assumed to be perfect, it’s original meaning and fluency has been obscured as our languages move away from it and confusion occurs as to it meaning and application. For instance, the word ‘Run’ in English now has no less than 640 plus applications and ‘egregarious’ has changed its meaning five times since the 16 centuary…..distinguish, eminent, extraordinary, excellent, outstandly bad, remarkably good…. and just to confirm the matter, nobody calls their baby girl gay anymore!

    • “nuke a burrito”.
      “smooth move Einstein”.
      in the know expressions.

      when Jehovah made different languages what was the other languages word for thermonuclear and monosodium glutamate?

      knowing how they talked then helps just the same knowing how we talk now

      • Burt Reynolds

        The ancient Hebrew word for Thermo nuclear was ‘Shishkabab’ and the Aramaic word for the same was ‘Dundatbinther’. For mono sodium glutamate: that first appeared in Latin and was part taken from ‘monotheism’ meaning Single deity, and ‘glutusmaximus’ meaning a big eater. The modern American translation is thus: ‘All you can eat singles bar for christians’. To drop a nuclear bomb on ones burrito is a fairly modern idiom as one might expect, but taken from Japanese, it roughly translates as ‘Oh Shinto’.

    • The Raven

      In other words, Jehovah made it clear to them based on their circumstances at the time. Each generation and their evolving language, customs, situation made it neccessary for Jehovah to make His way known to them by using any means such as prophets and ocassionally angels possible. He hasn’t changed, just made it comprehensible to people as they changed, right down to modernity.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        The scriptures certainly agree with your thought, thank you.

        Peter 1:21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will,
        but men spoke from God as they were moved* by holy spirit.

  • Srecko Sostar

    The words used by speakers in the same language, and in the same time period, often lead to misunderstanding among those involved in verbal or written communication. If it was so with us today, was it different to people in the past?

    And we want to understand people from thousands of years ago who are from completely different cultures, civilizations and system of society?

    Between Abraham and Moses it could have been several hundred years of difference. So, significant language changes are possible. Such changes would be a problem for the listeners concerned with the meaning of terms and structure of sentences as well as phraseology.

    Today’s believer in the Bible wants to believe that every letter, word, dot, and comma is “inspired” and accurately written by old writers, loyal servants of God. This is called faith. Theirs and ours. People believe what a biblical writer has written, that people in the past were inspired by God and recorded events, laws, thoughts, feelings … (But nowhere is written that the transcriptors were also inspired by God’s hands). Because of the constant changes in language, all Bibles before and even today, has some differences, for which there are different interpretations. However, different interpretations also exist for some other reasons, not just because of differently translated words, idioms and phrases.

    Can a man see the “truth” only because of a clear and accurate translation of the Bible text or because of the action of the spirit of truth?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello Srecko. Scriptures for thought.
      Srecko Sostar Said” (But nowhere is written that the transcriptors were also inspired by God’s hands).
      No, it was not by following artfully contrived false stories that we made known to you the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but rather, we were eyewitnesses of his magnificence. For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.” Yes, these words we heard coming from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.
      So we have the prophetic word made more sure, and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place (until day dawns and a daystar rises) in your hearts. For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will,
      “but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.”
      Read more> 2 Peter1:16-21.

      “All Scripture is inspired of God” and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
      Read more> All Scripture inspired of God (16)

      More scriptures for thought.
      Srecko Sostar Said” Can a man see the “truth” only because of a clear and accurate translation of the Bible text or because of the action of the spirit of truth?.
      Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.” Read more>
      So Pilate said to him: “Well, then, are you a king?” Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.” 38 Pilate said to him: “What is truth?” Read more>

      John 1:14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor* and truth.

      John 1:17 Because the Law was given through Moses,a the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ.c

      John 14:6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life.c No one comes to the Father except through me.d

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Kevin, ‘and Pilate said to him, “what is truth?” John 18-40. That scripture has always intrigued me and given me confidence in the scriptural recording. I believe I am right in saying that Jesus and Pilate were alone at that time that phrase was uttered, so how was such a question recorded except through Devine inspiration? Even if there were others there, what significance would they apply to the statement that they should let it be known? And what an important question is was and remains, because it is integral with the immediate action Pilate took after it was uttered, going out to the crowd and saying: ‘I find no fault with this man.’ This in turn, led the Pharisees to make a definitive choice between Christ, rejecting him in favour of Barabbas. Certainly the Jews could not have repeated it or heard it as they would not go into the judgement hall due to the sabbath which is where Pilate and Jesus spoke together. I think such a pivotal exchange in the the manner of Jesus’ death and the confirmation of prophesy lends a lot of weight to the Devine intervention in accurate recording. In any event, in recording the scriptures, or any other writings, strict control over the scribes was always observed and we know this through the various examples of palimpsest that we see, especially the one recording the work of Archimedes’ mathematical theorem. There is much evidence to show the great attention taken as to common meaning and even inference and that this is preserved. It is only when we come to the era of printing and thus power over many people that we see the work of man come to the fore, yet strangely (or not) we see the bible message preserved intact.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Good point Burt when you said “how was such a question recorded except through Devine inspiration?.you gave me something to ponder about.Thank you….

    • The Raven

      Hi, Srecko. Do you think Jehovah isn’t capable of making His truth known regardless men’s mistakes or machinations? Do you believe that simply interpretation is key to salvation? I don’t think you do. But we are exorted to make sure of all things. Those who seek to twist scripture or argue about what’s not there often reveal their motives. Sometimes is it license to do as one sees fit and not take into consideration the grand narrative. I recall Jehovah making it clear that He also searches hearts and minds. That, In my opinion is for very good reason. 😁

      • Srecko Sostar

        Hi Raven.
        For God nothing is impossible, for sure. With human? Here we have several things. And all of them makes “truth” or truth to looks like lie or half lie, like truth or half truth, to looks like progressive knowledge that will come to be truth or after some time to be lie …. and so on.
        To see whole picture is above every of us, very “impossible” to reach. Just some parts of whole puzzle :)) and then also with big chance to see wrongly. 🙂

        • The Raven

          That’s true in part. This is where holy spirit acts. In getting an idea for right ir wrong we can also see how it fits in the bigger picture. One verse can mean a lot. Look how some peple shoehorn scripture into a narrative which sounds awfully contrived, such as 1914, false parousia etc. It is obvious this has not cone about since numerous events which predate or accompany them have not yet occurred. We are capable of sound reasoning and discretion here. The trinity is another example of forced doctrine. It is a blatant distortion of scripture and requires an abandonment of reason and logic to cram it into the followers. It’s no wonder they cannot explain and expect folks to accept a “mystery”.
          It is not impossible to see the whole truth if you believe scripture states all will be revealed when the sons of God are. Until then, a little common sense goes a long way.

  • Srecko Sostar

    “…so, it should not seem out of the way that the literal expressions in Hebrew may seem awkward to the modern reader.”
    After you do, if you please read some of Bible reports, and for this occasion let that be, for example Judge chapter 19,… What does, in this bible text, may seem “awkward” to modern “worldly” reader, and/or to modern JW member as one in line of true worshiper in continuation of one and the same gods organization on earth? No matter of time period, geographic area, nationality or some other details that we can extract from this bible event. What is inspired message? What feelings grove in you about every character that participated in this story with own passive or active deeds?

    • Arvid Fløysand

      1 John 4:1 🙂

  • Srecko Sostar

    one more questionable thing in issue of “awkward”!
    All people agree that Bible have highest moral standards. How moral is to force virgin girl to marry soldier who slaughtered all her family and neighbors and force her to be his wife, or perhaps raped her before marry her?
    Or another, as in case in Deuteronomy 28:22?

    • Arvid Fløysand

      We shall know the tree by its fruit…if the “fruit” is bad,then the whole tree is bad…
      Jesus appeal to everyone…He introdused a new and way better covenant and Jesus himself is the tree of life…a good tree with good fruit 🙂
      The apostle Paul considered his former life as trash…(his former life was under the old covenant)
      And when the apostle John urging us to test every inspired statements,to see if they orginate from God (1 John 4:1)…well that means that we have to examine the scriptures…satan is a liar and is well known for deciving people to belive that Jehovah and Jesus is the bad guys…
      Jehovah and Jesus is first of all love….the lifegiving ones
      satans fruit is murder,lie,pain and suffering…the one who cause death..

      When we read the Bible we must look at the “fruits”…then we will find and stay by the good tree and walk far away from the bad tree and all the rotten “fruit”….do not mix those two

      Choose love and life…live by the new covenant and enjoy the enormous gift of freedom and life given by grace…

      The evil accuser and his seeds days are numbered…the bad tree and all the rotten fruit will be totally removed, and then the “air and water” will be clean 🙂

      • Srecko Sostar

        OT has too much “awkward” life stories, but that is all for human, nothing have changed under the sun :)))
        … by the way, Paul and some other in those days also in some moment love to work by the OT and in another by NT, we are just humans ;))

        • Arvid Fløysand

          Yes and we have a long way to go and so much yet to learn 🙂

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Dear Arvid Fløysand what is the name of your sheep. I like your sheep.

        • Arvid Fløysand

          Hello Isaac 🙂
          The name of the little lamb in my avatar is Mary (in norwegian Marie)
          This little lamb is very spesial to me…long story short…i have rescued it from sertain death 3 times…and the lamb knows this and remember…now it has become a grown up young sheep,and is pregnant .So i look foreward to the spring when times come for it to give birth to her own little lambs 🙂

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            Please fell free to sahre that story of that lamb how you rescued in

    • Jehovah had decreed the Canaanites should be totally wiped out. Considering the alternative, it was a loving provision on Jehovah’s part to allow the family line of the otherwise doomed nations to be carried on via the surviving female.

      By the way, God has also determined that the present system should be utterly destroyed. Fortunately, though, God has lovingly made provision for a relatively few survivors to carry on the human line after the war of Armageddon. Jehovah’s Witnesses are publishing God’s invitation.

    • Please8834

      Its people like you and many many other who look and question the Almighty motive, they put God in box as if he who created heaven and earth doesn’t know what he’s doing or what’s best for his purpose and for mankind in general human beings are stupid creatures one minute they’re told God is love and then they see God’s actions against nations are people’s and they automatically trying make God look like an evil-doer when in fact all he’s doing is ridding the Earth of what he knows is absolutely wrong for it! If you really believe in the grace of God you might understand that his grace extends to all creation that means he doesn’t make mistakes! He sees fit the swatter the scum of the earth that you see is just plain old people trying to get through this old system to bad for and those who think like you because it’s called tough love buddy get used to it .

      • Srecko Sostar

        ehh, “people like me”. That really gives answers, for sure. :))
        There is no in existence some law, any law that people can not be able to corrupt it. That is what was happened with Mosaic Law also. And that is what happened with Christian religion too, no matter of what sort of denomination we talking about. WT Jworg also, as this blog showing every day, are included in this worldwide disease.

        • Please8834

          Desease? You mean like the delusional disease thinking that God doesn’t know what he’s doing right? That was wrong for God to destroy a bunch of inflamed queers / fags in Sodom and Gomorrah or the Canaanites that were spreading their disease ridden worship ? I’ll give you a heads-up about Sodom and Gomorrah, that was divine Justice a judgement of permanent cutting off . Jesus didn’t say that those perverted people would get resurrected he simply said it would be better for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in that day,! Sounds like jesus was saying, it will be the same for the people in our day as it was for their day for if they had listened they may have been spared! Simply put those people aren’t coming back, because they deliberately worked against everything that was natural. Sorry people don’t have the right question Jehovah decisions.

          • As regards Sodom and Gomorrah, the account says the mob that tried to rape the angels was composed of men and boys. So, the men of Sodom were pedophiles too, who groomed their own male children, nephews, grandchildren, etc, to become homosexuals. Keep in mind, the complaint against Sodom originated with humans. It wasn’t God acting capriciously. He went down, so-to-speak, and made an inspection and determined the cities were so depraved that they should no longer exist.

            • Please8834

              This is true, no different than before the great deluge, for Jehovah’s constantly searching the hearts of mankind , he already knew what was going on in the city’s,the angels were Witnesses and a Testament that Jehovah would also rescue those that are approved by him. Respectively

    • Bklyn Kevin

      When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.”
      For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.
      James 1: 13 Rrad more>

      So then who is to blame? because the scriptures clearly say that “For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

      The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. John 5:19-B.

      Satan the devil plans everyone’s demise…
      Where anyone hears the word of the Kingdom but does not get the sense of it, the wicked onea comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart; this is the one sown alongside the road. Matthew 13:19

      Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Luke 4:6

      Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. John 12:31
      And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years. Revelation 20:2-3.

      So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him. But let him keep asking in faith, not doubting at all, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about. In fact, that man should not expect to receive anything from Jehovah; he is an indecisive James 1: 13 .

      Proverbs 3:11, 12 My son, do not reject the discipline of Jehovah,
      And do not loathe his reproof, For those whom Jehovah loves he reproves,c
      Just as a father does a son in whom he delights.

      • Burt Reynolds

        That, Kevin, is a great set of scriptures. For me, I feel a bit like the prophet did when he uttered ‘When, Jehovah, when?’ I think we all live joined to doubt, like a conjoined twin, and our pleas to Jehovah for faith, for me at least, often begin with ‘give me….’ because we know we are but dust on the scales. Like Srecko we see the world full of evil and let’s face it, we wonder how much of this Jehovah is going to allow. Even then, the reward for our faith, such as it is, does not rule out death, and a nasty one at that! For the thinking person, Jehovah cannot be denied, but as to his method of deliverance, as Jehovah himself says, unless he were to cut the days short, even the anointed would be deceived. It seems that no matter how great our faith, it will never be enough without Jehovah providing it to us. I sometimes think that it is not our faith that will see us through, but how MUCH, we want faith….and that will depend largely on our love of righteousness. Perhaps faith is the product of all the aspects of love and the seeking of Jehovah, and not an entity in itself.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Yes Jehovah is going to cut those days short from his normal seven year time period down to 1,335 days or no flesh would be saved, it certainly is mercy on Jehovah’s part towards his faithful but then again doesn’t the scripture say that Jehovah shows loyal love towards his faithful people.

          May your loyal love please comfort me, According to the promise you made to your servant.
          Show me mercy, so that I may keep living, For I am fond of your law. Read more> Psalms 119:

          for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short Matthew 24:21-22.

          “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation and who arrives at the 1,335 days! Daniel 12:12.

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