Jesus created all things

//Jesus created all things

This is the first of a series of 60 answers to 60 questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses found at the website JW Lies.

QUESTION #1 – How do you explain the direct correlation between Hebrews 1:10-12 and Psalms 102:25-27? They both say the same thing almost word-for-word and there are even cross references in your Bible linking them together. In Hebrews, it is about Jesus, but in Psalms it is about Jehovah.

ANSWER: The Psalm states, simply: “Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.” Obviously, the pronoun “you” is in reference to Jehovah God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth. However, over 1,000 years after the Psalm was penned the apostle Paul quoted the Psalm in the context of explaining the position of Christ relative to Jehovah. That is readily apparent in the context. 

Trinitarians are fond of playing parlor tricks with isolated verses to dazzle the inexperienced and those with limited knowledge. But in order to avoid being taken in by their deception it is always advisable to read the immediate and extended context in order to gain a broader understanding. In this case, read the entire 1st chapter of Hebrews and the “correlation” becomes readily apparent.

Before considering the context, though, keep in mind this very basic element of truth; namely, that from the time of the rebellion in Eden when God originally foretold that a “seed” would come forth from “the woman” who would ultimately crush the head of the serpent, it was unknown who this messianic seed would be. All during the days of Israel and the prophets the identity of the seed was a mystery. But when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptizer, then God began revealing that Jesus, the so-called Nazarene, was the foretold Christ, the Messiah and the Son of God.

Paul’s letter to the Hebrews goes into great detail to explain the position the mysterious seed occupied both prior to his coming to earth and after he was exalted. The opening words of his letter reveal a truth that had been hidden for thousands of years concerning the role that the Messiah played in the creation of the universe. Paul wrote: “Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways. Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

Any intelligent reader whose mind has not been indoctrinated with a lot of theological gobbledegook ought to be able to discern that Paul does not state that Jesus is God. No, rather, God appointed Jesus as his spokesman, an heir and made the systems “through” him. Surely, the Most High God does not appoint himself to a higher position or reward himself with special privileges that he already had. That is nonsensical. Not only that, Paul revealed that after God resurrected Jesus he ascended to heaven where he sits at the right hand of the Majesty on high. Clearly, two entities are presented —the Majesty on high and his Son at his right hand.

It is very important to note that prior to the revelation of Christ there were only sparse hints of the sacred secret concerning the identity of the coming one. For example, in the creation account in the first chapter of Genesis Jehovah spoke to a then-unknown, nameless entity, inviting him to join in creation; hence, we read: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness…” Later, after the Flood Jehovah again spoke to a person separate and distinct from himself, saying to him: “Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”

The 8th chapter of Proverbs also hinted at the existence of a “helper” who was employed by God. Speaking as the personification of God’s wisdom before the earth was created, the proverb states: “When he set a decree for the sea that its waters should not pass beyond his order, when he established the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; I rejoiced over his habitable earth, and I was especially fond of the sons of men.” — Proverbs 8:29-31

Even when Jesus was on earth and walked among the Jews he did not clearly reveal his role in creation —only that he knew the Father intimately, having been by his side in heaven before coming down to the earthly realm. (John 8:23) It was not until Paul began writing his epistles that the sacred secret was fully unveiled concerning the position Jesus occupied prior to his coming down. No doubt some of the original Christians may not have fully realized the privileged life Jesus enjoyed prior to his becoming human. But that knowledge should cause us to appreciate all the more the sacrifice he made.

But as regards the “correlation,” Paul did not in anyway imply that Jesus was the Creator. His saying that Jesus laid the foundations of the earth is perfectly in keeping with the fact that Jesus was invited by God, indeed, empowered and authorized by the Creator himself, to do God’s work for him. And, as pointed out, the opening words of the letter to the Hebrews clarifies Jesus’ position as the agency through whom God made all things.

Since its inception in 1881 the Watchtower Society has consistently taught that Jesus is the special Son of God who created all things and who is God’s appointed heir.

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2017-03-04T12:45:01+00:00 March 4th, 2017|60 Questions|52 Comments
  • Christian Obadiah

    Jehovah bless you, Brother King.

  • Jamie Mac

    Robert, I really enjoy everything you write about Trinity aspects, plus also your video’s. Do you believe in nonsense is my favourite, absolutely love it, and I have watched it many times. I just cannot get my head around the fact that intelligent people cannot get it. Satan surely has a firm grip. I fear for myself but even more for people who continue to believe this lie. I just cannot imagine their grief when they discover what they were taught/believed is a lie.

  • Burt Reynolds

    That’s a really interesting scripture in proverbs for me ‘….I rejoiced over his habitable earth…’ Singular. No other earths, no other creation spoken of, as though this is a one off, or the first. It puts a perspective on both time and purpose, as if it is a beginning of something far greater. It also raises in my mind what life is. Can you imagine the wealth of knowledge, insight, depth of understanding in Jesus? The very concept of all things, contained in the brain of one man; a being in posession of unimaginable intelligence, perfect, with the very power of creation in his fingertips! All that in a man? With Jehovah’s spirit operating through him? It is said by scientists, ergo, ‘children’ playing around with a couple of Jehovah’s mathematical laws, that there are more neurons in the human brain than there are planets in the universe. Be that as it may, from what we know thus far, all those planets do not support life but it makes me wonder whether we are a part of life as a whole, and not an independant source of it through procreation. Metaphorical neurons, knowing a bit about what is adjacent to us, but part of something infinitely larger. We know that Jehovah sustains us alive, but in what manner and by what means is a marvel in itself. And somewhat humbling.

    • Jamie Mac

      Burt, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that perhaps not now, but in the future we as humans may populate other worlds through Jehovah’s will. Forgive me If I have misunderstood you.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Scriptures for thought.
        Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
        Psalm 115:16 As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.

      • Burt Reynolds

        No I’m not suggesting that we would inhabit other worlds. Though the issue may be mentioned in the scriptures, as Kevin points out, I suppose it depends on what the future holds and how ‘heavens’ applies. There is yet more creation to come it seems. I just don’t know. However, my speculation was merely on what life is. Petrol, is the driving force of the car, but it is not the car and there are different types of fuel from the same source. We are dependant on Jehovah for our lives, but in what way? The body supports life, yet we know that Adam was inert after his creation until Jehovah breathed life into him. We know dust does not think. The immensity of acts through which Jehovah performed ‘miracles’ through Jesus, suggests far more power of life than our understanding of life possess, yet the knowledge of life appeared to be contained within Christ. We assume. My wonderment was simply ‘what is life?’ and in what portion and how do we function by it. What is consciousness? When Christ was asked ‘what is truth?’ which if you think about it, is as close to life as Gravity is to light, his answer indicates that it is what Jehovah intends it to be. I just feel that the same may apply to what we understand life to be. And that our understanding of life is, is surely limited.

        • Jamie Mac

          Well I am glad I misunderstood you even at the risk of appearing dumb :). i have never entertained such thoughts myself about human life beyond our own beautiful planet. The scriptures Kevin referred are familiar to us all and well understood by the minority. I say minority as most Christians think they will be going to heaven.

          I wonder if the angels, cherubs and all the over heavenly creatures sometimes ponder over the same things you do but in relation to their heavenly environment. How limited is their understanding of heaven.

          Why do think Jesus did not answer the question Pilate asked. What is Truth?

          • Burt Reynolds

            I’ve never thought of that before. The only reason I can think of is that if Jesus had told him what truth was, it would be doubtful that Pilate would have conceded to the Jews. Do we even now, understand what truth is? Surely truth has a far more complex meaning than we know it to be. Our understanding of truth is more akin to simply not lying, and really, is that all truth is? No. And as such truth would have a far deeper meaning and application than we could imagine. We can merely determine our existence through the dimensions we have been given and our own life experience of those dimensions. An interesting theory is that as we have three dimensions, a fourth must exist, and we know that it does. Because a fourth dimension exists, then there must be a fifth. And there is. But we are limited in our understanding. The experiments at CERN into the ‘God particle’ and antimatter is facinating and were we to know the ‘Truth’ I doubt very much if we could comprehend its meaning. As Robert pointed out the other day from the bible, to look upon Jehovah would result in being vaporised. Mind you, the fact that Pilate asked the question is an inspiration in itself. Perhaps he had an idea who he was speaking to, and the question was rhetorical! It was probably the greatest question ever asked. For my part, I look upon truth as an acquisition, not an abstinence of lying: not even simply of speaking factually, but with understanding of the meaning being the source of truth. I do not think the paradise we are promised will be a type of Tolkien experience of never ending gardening with an annual competition for who grew the biggest marrow, but that we will instead, experience truth beyond our imagining, not as onlookers, but as partakers, and that what we will understand and accomplish with those truths is now and will be, unimaginable.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Burt, do you personally find the experiments with ‘cern’ a little unsettling. Geoingeneering, weather modification. How far may they go with this monstrosity collider. From the tiny bit of understanding, is science treading dangerously into causing irreversible damage, although of course if so Jehovah certainly will stop it. Whole lot of theory, blossoming out to a whole lot of conspiracy! Appreciate your opinion!

            • Southern ShaSha

              I can see where all this could be beneficial to those with evil intent. After all Satan is the ruler of this old system of things! He is desperate to destroy all, in his short time left, by any means.

            • Southern ShaSha

              I’m sorry, ran many topics together, ‘cern being a whole different issue than geoengineering/weather modification. Try to spit it all out in a quick paragraph! So many odd issues going on!

            • Joseph Stephan

              https://youtu.be/STEtkZR0iao

              Your right on point, mankind has destroyed the quality of the
              Air
              Water
              Food
              Even the seeds…..
              The rabbit hole goes very deep.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Exactly Joseph, as I mentioned to Burt we’re all aware that Jehovah is in full control and will take action in His due time. Always aware of that, does not prevent our feeling sickened at what we see. The crazy things we see being done are intentional, not to improve or be good stewards of what our Heavenly Father has provided to us from the very beginning. If we are aware, how much more so is Jehovah……..appreciate your reply!

            • Joseph Stephan

              Soon Jehovah will bring to ruin all those who have tampered with his perfect creation!

            • Southern ShaSha

              Hello Joseph, appreciate the videos you’ve posted. They condense these atrosities into an easy, and simple understanding. It’s difficult to get our heads around, be it either the the truth or those with strictly world views failing to question at any level what’s going on. The scriptures tell us to ‘make sure of all things’, to reason, to study, to come to an accurate knowledge, that is our faith and protection. The Great War taking place in heaven and soon to be cast down ever more on this earth, is the simple explanation as to why our very existence looks to be threatened. I have personally had folks ask, “okay, if there is a god so mighty, WHY does he allow these horrific things to continue”. Never making an effort to examine for themselves the reason and answers to our very existence. I suppose we are comfortable, all of us in our ignorance, the truth is not always an easy thing to digest. Jehovah provides the safety net to all willing to take the necessary steps to come to know him, why must we turn away from His love, His grace, Christ Jesus, the provisions to attain life! It’s all there for anyone willing to take the steps, to truly understand and grasp the Kingdom Messege. All the answers we need to grow in faith and understanding. These answers are what motivate us to give praise, express our reliance on our Heavenly Father and His Son Christ Jesus! Allowing us an understanding, to be capable of detesting all that man is doing, with one hope that soon His Kingdom will be set in place!!! This is the hope generously given to all!

            • Southern ShaSha

              I’m ranting, I’m sorry for that but the time to get our lives in order, seems to be shortening by the day. I have family I love beyond belief, desperately giving prayer to Jehovah to help them to find their way!

            • Joseph Stephan

              By the looks of it, these four documentaries spell Doom for the human race if Jehovah doesn’t step in soon………

            • Burt Reynolds

              I find CERN experiments fascinating and follow on their site. The bible points out that Jehovah will bring to ruin, those ruining the earth. As Brooklyn Kevin pointed out from the scripture, the earth will be our home for ever. I do not concern myself with weather control or the toxins that are seemingly spread by governments. Some people are consumed with it and the injustice of it and the ruination of the earth and who can blame them? I hate to see it, certainly, but I’m not going to concern myself with it as it is just a distraction. Jehovah has said he will deal with it and I believe that. I also know that Satan has put these things into the hearts and minds of men, and so I know there is nothing I can do that will make one jot of difference. What I do concern myself with is the learning about Jehovah, creating a relationship with him in my heart in the mean hope that he may look kindly on my efforts and that I try to emulate the substance of his desires for us. His whole creation reeks of science and infinite laws, and I want to know about them and their maker. I find the most effective way for me to do that is to ponder over his creation, because that is a tangible facet of his being that I, all if us, can understand in part. It adds love to the word of the bible in a way that we can see Jehovah. It adds colour, depth, appreciation, awe and is a daily reminder that keeps me in touch as much as prayer. So, let men do what they will while we look to ourselves and our relationship with Jehovah.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Burt, thank you for your reply. Always appreciate your balanced view. I too rely on Jehovah to set matters straight, and we know for sure He will. I just become saddened and sick at the crimes and destruction. This earth we call home, the beauty even now we can appreciate, and yet there are those fixated on causing it’s ruin. Although I,m aware Jehovah is in control, He gives us the comfort and knowledge to understand exactly what we need in order to continue moving forward regarding His will and purpose! Again, thank you!

            • Burt Reynolds

              What southern state do you live in ShaSha? Have you read Paul Theroux’s travel book of the Southern States called Deep South? He brings out the history of African American oppression and modern attitudes very well, as well as being a really interesting read….not that I’m advertising here!!!

            • Southern ShaSha

              Hi Burt, I live in North Alabama! And yes, I would be quite interested in reading! Thank you.

            • Jamie Mac

              In the same context, John 19:8 When Pilate heard what they were saying, he became even more fearful. Is there any other mention of Pilate being fearful and why did he become even more fearful. Could it be he may have actually believed Jesus to be the son of god.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Because he repeatedly said he found Jesus innocent, even his wife interupted the ‘trial’ proceedings to tell Pilate Jesus was innocent as she suffered in a dream because of him, only the book of Matthew recording that fact. In the Voice bible it says, he was terrified to hear the Jews making claims for His execution making me think that he had a little bit of a conscience and maybe he sensed a regal presence coming from Jesus and also in Verse 12 it says Pilate listened to Jesus’ words taking them to HEART he attempted again to release Jesus.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Not for a moment did I believe that you appeared dumb in fact I believe the opposite is true of you due to your humble meek attitude.

            The heart of the understanding one acquires knowledge, and the ear of wise ones seeks to find knowledge. Proverbs 18:15.

            • Jamie Mac

              Kevin, I really don’t know how to respond to that loving comment apart from to say thank you so much. This is precisely why I want to be part of Jehovah’s kingdom. Just knowing that people with the same kindness and love will be there. 🙂 ):

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Well there’s nothing you have to say, just continue to be humble and meek and continue to seek the kingdom first cause Jehovah is looking for such ones like these to warship him in spirit and truth and I will pray as we all should that Jehovah our great GOD continues to bless all our efforts as we grow in spirit and truth.

              Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”John 4:23-24. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/john/4/#v43004023

        • Arvid Fløysand

          You said it…all is contained within Christ…the TRUTH and the LIFE and even the WAY
          (John.14:6)…ps.when Jesus said I am…he was NOT refer to himself bu to his father Jehovah…because he just reflected Jehovah(John.14:24)…so what is truth?and what is life?and what is the way?…well to find the answer on these matters i guess we must go search and digg in Jesus himself…science and filosofi do not contain none of these elements

        • Bklyn Kevin

          ‘what is truth?’ That would be a great topic in the new forum, Burt you should create a room with that topic after all it is your idea I would definitely come and put my 2¢ in.
          Of course after I have done my research.

          • Southern ShaSha

            Please Kevin, would you read what I commented to Burt. Curious as to whether I am reading more into these things than necessary!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Sure I will look into that subject this week and let you know what I think and thank you for asking.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Thank you Kevin, so much appreciate your input, along with your amazing scriptural knowledge!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I’ve read about Cern’s I would say your fears are warranted and in fact there are many scientists who do agree with your sentiments.

              So are you reading too much into it? Personally I don’t think so however are you worried about it to the point that it may rob you of your joy about the Christ and Jehovah’s grand plan that hes going to destroy those who are destroying the earth and will make a new heavens and the new earth ?.

              Long ago Jeremiah the prophet was inspired to say ”
              I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong.
              (It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.)

              So Jehovah with his unlimited foresight new if man attempted to direct his own steps it would lead to his own demise and for sure many generations can’t bear witness / testify to the faithfulness of Jeremiahs very words particularly our generation with its nuclear capabilities and men driven by greed for power and money rather than love for his fellow man.,

              Nonetheless there’s nothing none of us can really do except to trust in Jehovah and seek the kingdom first and throw all our anxieties on Jehovah because he does really care for us.

              So lets pay attention to ouselves that our hearts never become weighed down with the anxieties of life and suddenly that day be instantly upon us but instead let us continue to store up treasures in heaven by putting our faith in the grand creator Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ along with his ultimate promise of a new heavens and a new earth in which the righteous are to dwell .

            • Southern ShaSha

              Kevin, I thank you so much. Always appreciate your opinion backed by fantastic scriptural counsel. I’m not sure what brother made a comment a while back, mentioning the unbelievable treasure, a glorious paridise earth beyond what anyone can even imagine. But then he went on to say, the vindication of our Heavenly Father takes such presidence over the gift to mankind, I do so agree whole heartedly. “That they must know that I am JEHOVAH!!! I am super flighty and do become at times very disturbed by the horrific unthinkable hate, evil, dying and destruction, that is so contrary to the very qualities of JEHOVAH and CHRIST JESUS. Makes one wonder why most of mankind is absolutely oblivious to all that we see and is’nt rejoicing about Gods Kingdom through Jesus, the expression of love to bring forth a righteous new world where these things will be done away with forever. But as Robert comment in this article, there are those that either are not inclined to look and listen, or may just be loving what they do and a love for what this world has to offer. I suppose that could take a lifetime to try to figure out another persons thinking. We all know by now we can’t talk or beat the truth into anyone, there again, that’s why HE gives all free will. Thank you Kevin so much for your time.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.
              1 Corinthians 2:9.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Thank you Kevin, beautiful. You truly are a thoughtful, caring person.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I wouldn’t know where to start. It was just a Sunday afternoon musing!

            • Jamie Mac

              Burt , you should do more musing. That question is intriguing. If those thoughts were a result of your musing then Jehovah has blessed you with a wonderful mental capacity.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I wish !

    • Andres Felipe

      You know what they say about quantum mechanics: whoever says he understands it does not really know anything about it. I love it with the creation of jehova

      • Burt Reynolds

        Actually, relativity is (relatively) easy to grasp at the basic level….where I am at, I hasten to add I know nothing….once you understand the perspective of time and it’s relationship with light and gravity. The Hubble telescope has shown constellations from so far back in time….what they assume is nearly (in relative terms of course) at the point of the ‘big bang’. In other words, Hubble is showing us an event in time from supposedly millions, billions of years ago. How is that possible? Why can we see the past? And why can the past see us in the past? And theoretically at least, that event will always be there as long as light exists. And according to Einstein, darkness is in fact the default status, not light, because light has mass. This leaves room to conject that, taken to its finality, time is relative to where you are, and that as such, a point of stasis could be reached. If that were the case, then one has insight into the fact that Jehovah ‘always was, always shall be…’. The fact that we cannot really understand the basics is more indicative of our position in life, and that the greatest minds, are in fact, of no consequence. When Jehovah asked the question, ‘where were you when I created the heavens…?’ he was not pointing so much to our ignorance, as he was pointing to Creation and that we should see our place in it. How does a stem cell know where to place itself in the body? How can flesh think, and the senses add meaning? We are awe inspiring in our making and by Jehovah’s creation, we can find the faith that will move mountains.

  • Michelle

    The scriptures quoted above, speaking of the heavens and the earth state, “They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed.” This is implying the heavens and the earth will one day be changed into something else, but what?

    • ewatchman

      Paul was contrasting the temporariness of the creation compared to the permanence of the Creator. I understand it to mean that God must continually renew the present creation. For example, scientists inform us that eventually the sun in the heavens is going to flame out and explode. In other words, like the scripture says, it is going to “wear out.” That would, of course, render the earth uninhabitable. But by Jehovah’s word the earth will last forever and people will reside forever upon it. So, God must eventually renew his creation. Thankfully, he is up to the task.

      • Jamie Mac

        Robert, interesting comment. Can our sun really flame out. To me that sounds like there is a flaw in the design but that is just impossible.

      • Joseph Stephan

        Do you think that they will give you the $5000.00 reward for answering the 60 questions?

        http://www.jwlies.com/reward.html

        • ewatchman

          Not a chance.

          • Joseph Stephan

            I didn’t think so, but at least they are going to be put on notice with 60 outstanding Bible based truthful answers!!

            • ewatchman

              Honestly, I grew weary of criticizing the Watchtower and pointing out their every misstep. Although, obviously, someone has to do it, it is good not to lose sight of the truth.

            • Jamie Mac

              Robert, don’t get weary, not long to go now. Just think of that grand award that awaits you.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Although it must be taking a toll on you, never give up. For your deliverance is near.

              https://youtu.be/hxCcvCZkaJc

    • Arvid Fløysand

      If the heaven and earth is likened with a garment that is wear out…than it is time to put on a new clean garment..Rev.21:1-“A new heaven and a new earth…”…a new clean system of tings.
      The same goes for those who will inherit the new clean society..they will get new clean white garments (Rev.7:9)…nothing wrong with the literal earth,sea and heaven..but its about this system of things…its about time to put it away and let a clean peaceful,loyal nation of people inherit this beautiful planet,and a new clean kingdom(heaven) to rule over it…:-)

  • Dean LaRue

    It seems funny to me that people basically look at the awe inspiring painting that is creation and think the paint brush is equal to the painter. Rembrants brush was not idolized nor was it Rembrant himself, it only did what master required of it.

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