What about the “false prophet” of Revelation?

//What about the “false prophet” of Revelation?

QUESTION: How are we to understand the identity of the false prophet, recorded at Rev 16:13?

ANSWER: The Watchtower identifies the false prophet as the same entity as represented in the 13th chapter of Revelation as the two-horned beast that rises up from the earth and begins speaking as a dragon.

This seems to be the correct interpretation. However, we may be certain that the “false prophet” has not come on the scene yet.

As readers of this site are probably aware, the Watchtower is the source of a “deluding influence” and what the apostle Peter referred to as an ‘artfully contrived false story’ regarding the presence of Christ commencing in 1914.

An integral part of the Watchtower’s elaborate, kingdom-came mythology has to do with the mortally wounded head of the beast and its supposed miraculous recovery back during the First World War. The reason the Watchtower is compelled to concoct a plausible scenario regarding the apparent fatal head wound of the beast is because Revelation reveals that the ostensible mortal blow is synchronous with the overthrow of Satan and his demons, which occurs when the Kingdom comes to power. It’s complicated.

Although the Watchtower teaches that the Anglo-American duo is what is represented by the seventh head of the beast, which is most assuredly correct, Bethel is apparently unaware of the fact that Britain and the United States were victorious in the Great War. And there is nothing in history that indicates that either nation collapsed any time since then, which is surely what is symbolized by the seemingly mortally wounded head. In spite of that inconvenient truth, supposedly in the aftermath of the demise of the Anglo-American kingdom, the recuperated head of the beast commanded that an image be made of the seven-headed beast and that all persons must worship the image.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are under the delusion that the image of the beast was the League of Nations. Just how the world may have been coerced into obeying the League of Nations is anyone’s guess. How it may have prevented people from buying and selling it also a mystery.

Not only was the League an impotent institution, the United States was not even a member. But, again, despite these persistent facts the image itself also supposedly crashed and momentarily went out of existence, only to emerge from the abyss in the form of the United Nations. To this day the Watchtower boasts of its insight in being able to divine the return of the League in some form even during the height of the Second World War. (June 15, 2012 WT paragraph 6 also Sept. 14, 2010 WT)

Even after 70 years the deluding influence is so powerful it is simply beyond the ability of Jehovah’s Witnesses to conceive of the possibility that the Watchtower could be in error. This sort of blindness is made all the more glaring at this point in time as the London/Wall Street, Trans-Atlantic political and financial system teeters on the precipice of the abyss.

Ironically, many people except Jehovah’s Witnesses seem aware of the hour of peril, at least to some extent. Truly, unfortunately it will take the catastrophic collapse of the system to jar Jehovah’s Witnesses into their right minds.

But what about the false prophet?

Typically we think of a false prophet in connection with some religious figure. To be sure, Jesus foretold that during the conclusion of the system many false prophets will arise and mislead many. However, Revelation does not speak of many false prophets, only one —the false prophet.

The false prophet plays a vital role in gathering the political leaders of the world to a special place called Armageddon. Here is what Revelation 16:13 states: “And I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”

Seeing that the dragon is the source of the frog-like expressions and the beast with two horns also begins speaking as a dragon, it appears to confirm that the two-horned beast is the false prophet.

Also, the seventh chapter of Daniel depicts the unusually fierce beast with 10 horns, but an 11th horn emerges and it too has a mouth speaking arrogantly.

It should be noted that the two-horned beast rises from the earth, which symbolizes its return from the grave —which is portrayed in the 17th chapter as the scarlet beast emerging from the abyss.

While the governments of Satan’s world have always practiced the dark art of propagandizing, what is presented in Revelation is more than that. We may expect the Anglo-American beast to recover from collapse only to become a totalitarian  tyrant. And after the masses have been subjected to trauma, then they will be even more conditioned to obey the beast.

This is what is also symbolized in the 13th chapter of Revelation when the recuperated head of the beast is “given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven.”

Again, seeing that the beast is “given a mouth” only after its miraculous recovery, and it is that mouth that will speak great things and blasphemies, it appears that the post-crash Anglo-American beast will function as the earthly mouthpiece of the Devil —his false prophet. And that false prophet will lead the nations into a cosmocidal war with God and Christ.

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2016-12-22T14:15:45+00:00 January 26th, 2016|Mailbag|88 Comments
  • e.v.g

    Thanks brother Robert for this information, awe inspiring article, please continue ministering as a priest such as you.

  • James

    Well, it’s a wrap. I’m moving to Antarctica.

    • e.v.g

      What? in the frozen lands, bring your jacket goose feather.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Hello Robert. .
    question. What “Expressions” resembles frogs? And what are the three Horns that are plucked up. Rather than out? Any thoughts much appreciated..

    • D34D 4L!3N

      frogs were thought of as unclean, so lies, lies from demons imo

    • ewatchman

      I do not think we have heard those expressions yet. It will be a post-crash development. As for the three horns that are plucked up that has not occurred either. But it seems fairly certain that since the crash will be centered in the so-called Trans-Atlantic system the three horns will do doubt include the leading nations of the Eurozone France and Germany. Also, the United States.

      I wrote an article about 7 years ago debunking the WT’s take on the three horns https://e-watchman.com/the-spanish-armada-or-world-war-three/

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Yes I read your article some time ago.I thought you may have taken another look or rather another approach on what the picture is representing as to the three horns..Also the way the picture of Revelation outlining expressions that look like frogs.there seems to be not just a figurative metaphor but a indication of something more represented by the “Inspired” expression of what look like frogs.In any case time will tell..many thanks

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        An after thought.
        Do you think that men will know that it is Satan who will actually be speaking through the political realm ordering inspired instruction? rather will Satan literally be speaking to the political entities of the world?

        • e.v.g

          The world’s people do not fear God, they don’t have faith in Jehovah’s promises, (Rev 6:12-17) they prefer anything else to obey God, it will be easier for the devil mislead these people, also Jesus explained the consequences to obey God (Matthew 16:25,26)
          It will be a test for JW’s.

          • D34D 4L!3N

            i hope some fear him

            • Brian

              I am sure that will change, well I hope it does. When things start to go down many are likely to be looking for answers and not human ones, of course there will be many that will look to man and the false kingdom to “save” them, you see and hear people talking of such a thing now that a one world arrangement will be the “saviour of mankind”. Sad.

            • e.v.g

              I guess some people who are not JW,s will have the opportunity to inherit the Kingdom of God, the prohecie of Isaiah 2:2,4 it refers more specifically during the last days, aslo the prophecie of Haggai 2:6,7 it refers too during the same period.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              i’ll have to remember to read those

        • Brian

          The Dragon gives the beast the authority to act. Some men may know that something is not right and not follow the beast.Of course, what this beast is saying will no doubt will be heard like sweet drops in the ears of most people, especially if it is “mouthing” such things to rid the world of wars, famine, pestilence and any other “I’ll s” you can think of in a time when the world will be racked with all of these occurrences going on concurrently. It will present itself as the one that will correct all of the woes of/on the world for all time sake.
          It will be standing in direct opposition to the Kingdom.

          • D34D 4L!3N

            i bet Satan and his demons communicate directly or indirectly to these scum kings of the earth just as the examples with Eve, the Magi, Judas Iscariot, Pharaoh’s magic-practicing priests and even Jesus. while this faults prophet does his thing so will Moses and Elijah who represent the anointed at the time will be doing their thing as well with credit given to Jehovah

            • Brian

              They certainly have some form of communication, I have often pondered over how this may be done.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              no need to ponder that. its done just like the puppet snake, just as anyone is capable of lieing, just like Saul and the women of Endor. nothing to ponder.

            • Brian

              Yes the snake, I don’t think that will be the medium, I would be more interested in how Satan manifest himself to Jesus for the purpose of deceiving him as I didn’t think that he nor the demons have authority to materialise in human form, but somebody was talking to Jesus and Jesus knew it was Satan. So to me it is still intriguing as to how this will manifest itself.
              I think what is more important is that we recognise that this will indeed happen and we will need to ready ourselves for it.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              im not saying a snake, thats just an example of a puppet

            • Brian

              I understand what you are saying, it is still intriguing to me as to what it will be. Something impressive I should imagine, and very convincing to mislead.

      • D34D 4L!3N

        and a good article it is too

      • Brian

        We cannot have the expressions as yet, the Beast is not complete and the two horned beast that follows it cannot be here either as it appears after the first beast.

        • e.v.g

          I guess that the wild beast is complete, but it has not gone into the abyss, when the wild beast returns will have a new face, a face with fierce countenance, Jesus warned about this event, in time of difficulties the humanity will search for a solution, and the devil will bring that solution, we have learned on this site and perhaps in other websites that some powerful and influential men are under the influence of the wicked one, also the watchtower is partially under the influence of the same being, it is only a matter of time that he makes their moves because everything is already prepared, the seed of the serpent is now ready. Jehovah is even preparing their seed now.

          • Brian

            I would be inclined to think that the beast is not complete, I don’t believe the 7th head is the Roman Empire and it’s “Morphed” representation.
            When John states in Revelation related to the heads of the wild beast that there are five that have fallen, one is and the other is yet to come and he will remain a little while is the one that is still here today. In Daniel 7, Daniel says that there is the fourth beast that will rise, we know this beast started as the Roman Empire, but there is no more beasts that follow this one, this would have to mean that the 7th head which was to follow the “one is” is actually the culmination of all of those metals of Nebuchadnezzar’s image into a composite entity with the little horn that gets bigger being the dominant “King”, the beast is then complete and ready to stand in the holy place, or the place where it ought not be.
            Now regarding the head that is as though it was slaughtered, this does not state which head it is, if the 7th head is a representation of the newly formed beast, it could very well be the 6th head that looks as though it has been slaughtered, the 6th head being the world system as we see it today, or the morphed Roman Empire.
            It would appear that Matthew 24 3-14 is a complete overview from the time of the presence of Jesus in the Kingdom, the placing of the disgusting thing and the end of this system, a financial collapse may trigger more war that precipitates the perceived death stroke of the head (system) only for it to be restored with the single horn (King) leading the ten.

            • e.v.g

              The death stroke comes to a beast that already exists, the heads over the body of the beast represents the cosmocracy that the devil has (Luke 4:5) Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, U.S.A and England respectively The image of the wild beast is a complete different thing, it is something far beyond what we can imagine, a metamorphosis, it is the same devil the same wicked men but with another kind of tyrannical government.
              “And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority”
              Something really strange and evil will happen when this prophecy is fulfilled, coercing all people in the world to obey the wild beast, the false prophet will talk “grandiose things” in mere time of disaster, people will believe its lies because they will want a solution to their problems, can we imagine the kinds of things that will have to say the false prophet, whoever he is? (UN or other institution) but by that time Jehovah will have to show his great power too.

            • Brian

              The U.S.A and England are simply a part of the Roman Empire or the fourth beast of Daniel, and according to his account there is no other one to rise up but the little horn that springs from the ten. The U.S.A and England are being viewed here and b y jw’s as the two headed beast or the so called “Diad”, this Diad does not appear until after the first beast has arisen

            • D34D 4L!3N

              personaly i wouldnt exactly call the U.S. & Englind part of the Roman empire but they are the offspring from that former iron empire which is why iron still proves to be today through inherited elite of Londinium today called London. i just word it diffetently cause the Roman empire does not exist and the U.S. broke away and formed its own. although the duo does not apear or mentioned till after it comes out of the abyss does not mean it not as good as done and in order for the two horned beast to come out, it would have had together gone in, that being Tyre & Egypt aka the U.S & London. they go in due to Jehovah striking it and healing it

            • Brian

              The US and UK maybe described as the offspring of the Roman Empire, but there is no room according to Daniels writings for another beast or Kingdom to rise after it. I see the US and UK as being the major part of the king of the south that is ruling the planet now, that is also being challenged by the north now, the north being the opposed system of the western one which has dominated the planet since the “discovery” of the “new world”.
              My take on the two horned beast is that it is created out of the two ideologically driven systems that dominate the worlds two different “spheres” that are with us now in opposition to each other.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              1.Egypt
              2.Assyria
              3.Babylon gold head
              4.Medo-Persia silver chest & arms
              5.Greece abdomen & thighs coppler
              6.Rome legs iron
              room after it here -> 7.London-U.S. iron clay feet – has a brain aneurysm, takes over south, recovers, people say yaaa!, says lets make an image of what we used to be before our brain hemorrhage now that we are a NWO ruling with the other kings of the earth. call it, dun dun dun an 8th king. an image of its former glory

              sorry Brian but im just not grasping what ur saying but maybe after ive read the scriptures more and understand you better i’l get what your concept is

            • Brian

              I do understand the succession of the “world” rulers. What I read in Daniel is that there is no king or world power to follow the iron/iron mixed with clay part of the image, this is in line with the depiction of the 4th beast in Daniel as well. If there is no other world ruler such as the likes of those that preceded the Roman Empire, there can only be a silhouette of a kingdom, the eighth king is said to be a king but without a kingdom.
              When the entity that is created to be put in the holy place is raised and given the power to do this, this will be when the the head appears and then the beast will be complete, then the beast will be itself the eighth king, without a kingdom.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              well then it seems like youve been saying the same thing i did i guess idk, you lost me. im just not seeing the difference on your take other then you keep mentioning theres no empire after the 6th Romen empire but then that means there isnt 7 heads but the last 7th head is what has the stroke and springs off as an 8th into destruction. the reason its called an 8th king is because the 7th head comes back a second time but not as it used to be but puts on an image of how it was with the rest of kings giving it power and authority, so one could call this new revived 7th head a new 8th king or 7th head 2.0 but of course its not going to last long at all, its just a new boss wearing the old bosses jacket.

              so unless someone else can explain what part of your version im not understsnding in a different way i guess i give up. maybe i’l get it some other time.

              heres a related link to a recent articel – e-watchman.com/what-is-the-wild-beast-in-revelation-that-was-but-is-not

            • e.v.g

              Exactly, U.S.A and England are the two powerful nations and the last nations before the eight King, brother Robert did an excellent work about the prophecies of Daniel that struck me.

            • Brian

              “Exactly”? There is no where in the scriptures that can verify that there is a two pronged or composite king before the arrival of the Kingdom.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              the two pronged horn “was” before it

            • Brian

              The scriptures don’t actually say that there is a two horned beast before the Kingdom arrives, it does mention war, and reports of war, the result of that I believe will instigated the final “assembly” of the beast, let alone the two horned thing that ensues it. I look at the two horned beast as being the coming together of the king of the north and south, in my mind the 2 different spheres or systems that operate in the world and have done since Rome, it itself was finally divided up into east and west.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              the two pronged horned beast “was” before it “is” durning Christ kingdom cause it “is” the last 8th king that Jesus kingdom crushes. if you cant see that then youve got a mental block Brian; happens all the time.

            • Brian

              I don’t think that I have a mental block, the two horned beast is not the one is but isn’t, this is the 10 horned beast on the 7 heads. Revelation 13: 11 -12
              “Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight”
              Revelation 17: 9-11
              “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. And
              there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not
              yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction”.
              If the mind that has wisdom is required to discern this was as simple as it is made out to be by people, what do you think the need was for John to include that in the statement?

              “But it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction” this brings to mind Daniel 11:44
              “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sun-rising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. And he will plant his palatial tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him. “Him” being the thing that stands in the holy place!

            • D34D 4L!3N

              the mind that has wisdom is required to discern this was as simple as it is made out to be by people”

            • D34D 4L!3N
            • Bklyn Kevin

              Excerpt from JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING’
              King of the north.
              http://jehovah-is-king.com/king-north/

              who are the “they”?
              Daniel 11:31: “And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding
              from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and
              remove the constant feature. And they will certainly put in place the
              disgusting thing that is causing desolation.”

              Daniel foretells that both kings will set up the disgusting thing, as in—“They”
              will certainly put in place the disgusting thing.” This harmonizes with the
              prophecy of Revelation that calls for the two-horned Anglo-American entity
              (“they”) to breathe live into an inanimate idolatrous image of the beastly
              political system. So, while the United Nations appears to be an Anglo-American
              creation, it is in keeping with the financier oligarchy’s goal of world empire
              and hence, the scheme originates with the imperial king of the north.

              “PARTLY OF IRON PARTLY OF MOLDED CLAY”
              Elsewhere in Daniel, the prophet alludes to the preeminent world kingdom being politically and ideologically divided. At Daniel 2:41-43 we read: “And whereas you beheld the feet and the toes to be partly of molded clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom itself will prove to be divided, but somewhat of the hardness of iron will prove to be in it, forasmuch as you beheld the iron mixed with moist clay. And as for the toes of the feet being partly of iron and partly of molded clay, the kingdom will partly prove to be strong and will partly prove to be fragile. Whereas you beheld iron mixed with moist clay, they will come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind; but they will not prove to be sticking together, this one to that one, just as iron is not mixing with molded clay.”

              The king of the north and king of the south are also symbolized by the iron and the clay feet of Nebuchadnezzar’s metallic colossus. But what do those two incompatible materials symbolize in the real world? Simply put—the iron represents empire and the clay represents the republican, democratic form of government. Iron being a fitting symbol for iron-fisted imperial rule; whereas, since mankind was originally made from the dust of the earth, the properties of clay make it a fitting symbol for the common man. The very Preamble to the United States Constitution says it best—“We the people.”

              Republicanism is the antithesis of oligarchism and monarchy. Ruling-class oligarchs and elitists typically view themselves as inherently superior to the lower classes. They generally regard mankind as nothing more than an educable form of beast. Yet, monarchies and the oligarchic circles associated with them have “come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind” due to parliamentarian and democratic power-sharing structures that have come into existence.

              But the metallic image of Daniel portrays the succession of individual world powers, not indescript systems or ideologies. That being the case, the modern political expression of the iron and clay must be embodied in the present Anglo-American dual world power. Indeed, to this day, as the successor to the Roman Empire, London remains the capital seat of the most powerful oligarchy that has ever ruled this planet. Until recently, the United States has historically been the champion of human rights, liberty and democracy. Together, Great Britain and the United States are allied in an unworkable fusion of two incongruous systems—forming the Anglo-American alliance.

            • Brian

              Hi Kevin, if you supplant the US/UK duo for the King of the north and south being the whole world divided into these days as east and west(king of north and south), you will start to see where I am coming from.
              As the two horned beast appears after the finalisation and more than likely the 3.5 year rule of the beast standing in the holy place.
              Maybe I shouldn’t have used ideology to describe the differences, but the fact is, is that we have two separate systems in the east/west that are at the moment, vying or manoeuvring/jostling to change the guard.
              So after they have jostled, even after the most devastating conflict that the world has ever seen in a hot war, it looks like they will come together, in fact they will have to come together to try and appease the remainder of the people, and then put the distinguishing thing in place, it is not too difficult to imagine after, or after it is cut short for them to organise something to “save” mankind in the form of the beast and it’s counterfeit kingdom.
              The wars and reports of wars are a sign of the impending presence of the Kingdom, this would be a testing and trying time period for the ones that have reached out to the kingdom, just as when the disgusting thing stands.
              Kevin, I would feel a whole lot better discussing this face to face, I find it easier than typing into a forum, I know this is not possible unless I travel to the US.
              I do honestly believe this is a whole lot bigger than the US and UK controlling the show.

            • Brian

              Kevin, “they” are the entities that make up the king of south and north, the complete world system, or in another words, the east and the western spheres that control the earth and everything on it.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Now that we have established that the “they” are the king of the north and the king of the south.
              Now in our modern age who would you say best fits into these roles of the king of the north and king of the south?.

            • Brian

              Kevin, in my other posts I have said that “they’ are the Kings of the n/s. I am of the belief that these “Kings” are the whole “eastern and western” governments, which we can see quite plainly is how the world is divided into. So these governments, the ten horns will but this thing in place.
              I think looking for literal nations to represent these north and south kings is futile.Everyone was so sure that the Soviet system was the last king of the north, I am thinking it was only apart of it, just as the US and UK are apart of the king of the south.
              If as you and many others are saying this about the US/UK, what does the 10 kings/horns represent to you?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Brian to some degree you’re open minded until someone expresses their opinion and it interferes with what you believe to be true and it doesn’t seem to matter to you whether they are right or wrong, what does seem to matter is your own opinion.
              Now I had provided you with numerous scripturally supported points to verify what I was saying so in essence it’s not my own opinion, it is based on the bible so it most certainly appears that you put more value on your own opinion rather then what the bible says.
              No matter how hard one searches for truth he will not find it unless he’s humble and except his own faults.
              The bottom line is if you’re not willing to accept what the bible says concerning your questions then why bother asking?.

            • Brian

              Hi Kevin, I don’t think it is opinion driven, just look at what is actually happening around us. If you keep hanging on to beliefs, beliefs that are rooted in the “parousia” deception. Kevin, try to evaluate the beliefs the you have garnered that are associated with that deception, the two horned beast that is supposed to be here now with us is just but one of them, if you dare start to analyse all of them, you may come out from under the “cloud”!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              your own speculative opinion, as a matter of fact Brian I enjoyed are conversations but I really didn’t gain anything from your speculative input be ’cause that’s just what it was speculative on your part because you failed to prove your points due to your lack of bible knowledge, now please indulge me and prove me wrong by presenting to us a scripturually based paper that is discernible concerning the two horn beast and its meaning as well as its significance and its application to our presence.

              P.S. If you review all the information I have given you as well as research it thoroughly in the bible along with prayer to Jehovah I’m sure you’ll do just fine however if you continue with this prideful disposition you almost certainly fail becourse pride is before a stumble.

              When presumptuousness comes, dishonor will follow,But wisdom is with the modest ones.
              Proverbs 112.Proverbs 16:18

              Pride is before a crash,And a haughty spirit before stumbling

            • Brian

              Kevin, I have given biblical passages to support what I have written and believe how things are going transpire. What you are saying to me in the last passages Kevin can so easily be applied to yourself and Roberts Kings understandings and unwavering stand on issues such as identifying the two horned beast biblically, biblically you cannot identify it, you can only identify it by in the moment witness.

              No one on here has countered what I have said about the difference between Daniels take on the last beast and referenced to apparently everybody’s long term belief in another nation state based empire turning ‘to rule for a little while.
              Kevin, as a JW, how long did you defend belief in the 1914 hoax before you discarded it?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Brian to some degree you’re open minded until someone expresses their opinion and it interferes with what you believe to be true and it doesn’t seem to matter to you whether they are right or wrong, what does seem to matter is your own opinion.
              Now I had provided you with numerous scripturally supported points to verify what I was saying so in essence it’s not my own opinion, it is based on the bible so it most certainly appears that you put more value on your own opinion rather then what the bible says.
              No matter how hard one searches for truth he will not find it unless he’s humble and except his own faults.
              The bottom line is if you’re not willing to accept what the bible says concerning your questions then why bother asking?.

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Bklyn Kevin

              For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn back and I heal them.” Acts28:27

            • Brian

              Kevin are you trying to infer that I am “unreceptive” and ignoring what someone says about how this system will go down makes me as such? I think that I would take offence to what you are suggesting if that is the case.
              I tell you that I have studied the scriptures for many years now and have heard all sorts of stories that are purportedly verified by the scriptures only to find out that they are not.
              I don’t see any reason to change that now, I have listened and believed what the JW’s were telling me many years ago, only to question them and be considered an apostate, simply because I wouldn’t tow the line and my inquisitiveness leads me to look further, also only to be branded as one that “is running ahead”. I have read a lot of Robert Kings articles and find them very well put together, but still he has lingering JW beliefs that were created out of the 1914 saga that directs his understanding of the how things will play out.
              Other issues I have is with the collection of the great crowd, another story created out of the 1914 hoax, wherever in the scriptures does it say that there is a collection of such ones, and especially pre the kingdoms arrival? As far as I can make out, the collection together of all of the people is still for them to reach out to be heavenly subjects, as far as I can read it, this goes on right up until the Kingdom is established, but no, we are not separating anymore, but still only collecting people on the basis of being an earthly subject, this in itself must be a very dangerous thing to be doing. Jesus charged the Pharisees that they were shutting up the kingdom of the heavens so that no one can enter, this sounds awfully familiar with what the Witnesses are doing.

            • Brian

              I think we have the same ideas on the outcome, it is just how we identify now as to how we are getting there.
              To me, as with all understandings of the scriptures, the interpretations come from within the scriptures and it looks like Daniel holds the key to understanding the mystery of the beast.
              One needs to go back and look at the description of4th beast in Daniel, then rethink the scenario without pre learnt ideas. I had these same ideas that had been planted, but they never did make full sense to me and were just accepted as it sort of sounded right.
              One needs to keep checking the reasons for their thoughts on such things, did you not in the past believe whole heartedly that 1914 was the commencement of the Kingdom?
              Have a nice day.

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Bklyn Kevin

              Some research that Robert has done, very enlightening……
              https://e-watchman.com/daniel/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/revelation/13

              /https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/daniel/7/

            • Brian

              Kevin, can you give me hint? I have read these and have attained what I am referring to from them, out of these scriptures, can you point me to the inference that says there is another king/beast that follows the 4th beast of Daniel, according to his writings this is the last system of man’s to rule over the world.
              Even the statue in Daniels account points to a system that stays all of the way until the end, the feet and toes, still attached to the legs are of the same substance only diluted with the off spring of man, still no other separate king/beast.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Everything I understand basically comes from Robert king’s articles as well as his video and
              extremely long hours of study along
              with prayers to Jehovah for
              understanding , there is no easy way other than this method.

              all the links that I have provided for you have the answers you seek however you must search for it as for silver and gold as to keep “digging.”
              Proverbs 2″1-6.
              Below is some information concerning your question that I had given to another person.
              Excerpt from “The Coming Global Storm”.
              According to Bible prophecy the concluding phase of history is marked by the conflict between two rival kings designated as the king of the north and king of the south. Those two kingdoms are also symbolized as the feet of iron and clay comprising the metallic image. The king of the north is the Empire. The iron in Daniel’s prophecy also symbolizes it. The present monetary empire is really the British Empire, which is a continuation of the Roman Empire. The king of the south is the United States; also symbolized by the clay in the iron and clay amalgam. The Bible’s symbolism of the iron and clay not sticking together is the perfect analogy of the incompatible mix of the American and British systems today. (See chapter: King of the North)

              The coming days will see the conflict between these two entities reach a conclusion. By the light of Bible prophecy it can be seen that the empire is going to crush the nations. In the prophecy of the kings of the north and south, in verse 42 the king of the south is portrayed as “Egypt,” since Egypt was the original king of the south following the break of Alexander’s empire. So, the American kingdom will not prove to be an escapee. The American king is going to be netted by the financiers

              Daniel explained the meaning to Nebuchadnezzar: “And just as you saw the feet and the toes to be partly of clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom will be divided, but some of the hardness of iron will be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile. Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people; but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.”

              The iron represents the king of the north which is the imperial system / British empire and the clay represents the king of the south which is the republican system / United States, thus the iron and clay combine to be come or represent the American Anglo duo world power which is the seven headed wild beast that springs into the eighth king after the seventh has a sword stroke.

              And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. Revelation 17:11.

              It misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived. Revelation 13:14.

              Another sign was seen in heaven. Look! A great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and on its heads seven diadems; Revelation 12:3.
              For more related information listen to podcast episode 25

            • Brian

              Kevin, I appreciate the obvious tireless work that Robert has put into these presentations, he must have spent untold hours producing these.
              I tended to distance myself form a lot of the ideas that JW’s have put forward in regards to the understanding of these prophecies, sometimes to understand something, you have to divorce yourself from some of these teachings that were made when their was little understanding of them and made to fill in the gaps of their beliefs.
              The two horned beast, supposedly the US UK duo is another one of these creations, this would/has/have fitted nicely in a post kingdom arrival as the JW’s still believe has happened, as you and I know, the kingdom has not arrived as yet, so why is there a Duo now?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I myself am a Jehovah’s witness and have been misled by the organizations by their many erroneous prophecies and when I had come to realize this fact I simply researched world history for myself as well as Biblical history in order to get the big / clear picture and when I found Robert king’s web site I also scrutinized his work thoroughly and then I compared his work to the bible and low and behold I found his accuracy unparalleled in respect to bible prophecy, it took me years to get the sense of it but nonetheless I made it my endeavor to comprehend if what Robert king was saying was true because like you I wasn’t willing to be led like a fool , I guess what I’m trying to tell you is that you should research Robert king’s work thoroughly and compare it to the bible to test its accuracy like I did and after you have done this, then perhaps you can draw a more accurate conclusion for yourself along with prayer.

              My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, 2 By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment; 3 Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; 4 If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; 5 Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God. 6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom From his mouth comes knowledge and discernment. Proverbs 2:

            • Brian

              Thanks Kevin, I have always been inquisitive enough to test what I have been told, maybe not straight away, as when you first hear or come across these teachings they seem to be valid, once started it takes you on a journey that is eye opening.
              I have the same beliefs as J W’s with the exception of the 1914 deception, this deception has many more ramifications than a lot of people understand, that is my belief anyway, it they were correct these things would be close to being in order such as the two headed beast, but seeing how it isn’t, it changes the validity of these teachings.
              I believe all of the same things in regards to the coming Kingdom as most others that post here, it is really just how we are going to arrive at that point is up for conjecture.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              Amen

            • Bklyn Kevin

              (The prophecies of Daniel depict the feet of the image as an unworkable fusion of iron and clay, symbolizing the oddly matched empire and republican systems manifested in the Anglo-America dyad today.= Seven headed wild beast

              See the article “A Great Military Service”

            • Brian

              This idea that the iron and clay depict the US UK amalgam does not ring with me, I am of the belief that this is much bigger than a couple of influential nations, albeit very influential. To me, the amalgam of the feet represents the world that we live in, in prior times, Jehovah has allowed the “kings” to absolute power and control over mankind and this is stating at a time in the future from then there a watering down of that absolute power, something that would be a completely foreign concept to the writers of the day. To me, it is more like the systems of governance of the world, whether it be a democracy, a quasi democracy or even the Chinese communist system which is very afraid of a popular uprising against the government. I also believe that the legs and feet are representing the King of the north/south running from the time of start of the Roman Empire (east and west) and its many incarnations.

              The fact that the whole world is going to be judged, you would have to imagine that the whole world is involved with the setting up of the “beast” that will have everybody on the earth worship it. The beats is also the very thing that is seating itself in place of the Kingdom of God, i.e. Daniel 11 : 45 And he will plant his palatial tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration

            • Bklyn Kevin

              This calls for a mind that has wisdom: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. Revelation 17:.

            • Brian

              The two horned beast comes out of the earth. The wild beast comes out of the abyss after the perceived sword stroke, at first it comes out of the “sea”.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              ok, i still have to read it again an your wording is hard for me to understand too, even what i typed down isnt exactly how if said it before. im on my cellphone and its very lame

            • Brian

              OK. Yes the mobile phone, I cannot use them for posting, only on a confuse-r for me.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              as my mind understands it, the image is just that, an image of the kings of the earth, and the duo North & South that together make up a single beast, is just that, a single two horned beast because the iron north has subjugated the southern clay in an alliance. and when it rises from this mess its falling into, this beast will make their image a reality by ruling with the other ten kings of the earth as a short lived single new world order which that itself altogether also make a single 8th king but Jehovah’s rock is going to smash the feet and toes of this iron and clay and the this entire 8th king will crumble to dust

            • Brian

              The Iron north as you say cannot put the south under subjection as when it comes against it (the south) for the last time, and this is before the disgusting thing is put in place, it does not succeed. Daniel 11: 29-30
              At the time appointed he will return and come against the south. But this time will not be as it was at the first, for the ships of Kitʹtim will come against him, and he will be humbled.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              not sure what your convaying with your wording but ill read Daniel again an see if i understand you. but its a process and the irons schemes will be finalized at war yes, meanwhile Tyre and Egypt are buddy’s and both are going down and when they go down there is war because we the clay dont like the british iron taking over but the schemes have already been in action and we know whos gunna win and thats because that process has been taking place for some time now. so once the U.S. & London fall we know whos in charge after it comes out of the abyss, the iron elite kings of the earth and that pretty much already the case exept the south hasnt pushed the north enough yet for it to retaliate with ships etc…

            • Brian

              Yes, the appearance of the death stroke does come to one of the heads of the complete beast, if the 6th head was the one that looked like it has received the death stroke, this would actually fit in with the fact that the 7th head being the the completion of the entity that has removed the power of the king of the north and south’s control over the world that has been going on since the Greek empire.
              “I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed”, this would indicate that it is only wounded as it only “seems to be”
              The NWO, or “one world government” will be seen to have taken the power from the previous ruling system, i.e. the reigns of the king of the north and south over the last 2300 years, this will be significant.
              Yes, the US and UK are not literally the Roman Empire, but their system of Government, judiciary and commerce are, in fact it is pretty much the same in the entire world, which is represented by the the kings of north and south. The challenge to the western system of dominance of the planet is well under-way and has been for many years now, this would put us in the period of the north challenging the south to changeover as mentioned in Daniel 11 : 29

          • D34D 4L!3N

            id like to kick that fierce face in its face, theres my solution

            • e.v.g

              That’s a good solution.

            • Brian

              Yes, but unless it does appear, it will not be over.

    • Song of Hannah

      Maybe “plucked up” signifies being captured and/or subjugated, whereas “plucked out” gives the connotation of being destroyed or obliterated?

      • Brian

        “plucked out” would seem to indicate that they will be removed from their position as being part of the 10 rulers that rule with the beast. Not necessarily destroyed, these could be China, Russia and India in the future after they make a pact to direct the world with the other seven.

  • D34D 4L!3N

    Satan’s man of lawlessness in Beth-aven certainly is a false prophet, no?

  • Song of Hannah

    Thank you so much for this thorough explanation!

  • e.v.g

    Last convention I participate by giving a comment in the watchtower article, I rejected to comment but the coordinator and another elder spoke with me in the room B, the co was asking me why i did not want to comment because at the beginning i said yes, and i said that i am not the one that first i have to practice the advice, and he quoted Ecclesiastes 7:16 and then he said that even the overseers and the FDS are not doing or practicing the justice of God perfectly. I think i found an open door to show some things from this website.(if they do not expel me first)

  • Trustin Shiflett

    “….ironically many people except jw’s seem to be aware of the hour of peril…”. I got a friend to start studying the bible with an elder and he was told that you never know we could just walk right on into the new world…there is no hour of peril ….of course they are not aware of it…much thanks for the site

  • D34D 4L!3N

    whoo hoo! 71 comments. i think we’r going for a new record :p

  • D34D 4L!3N
  • Can we all see where this is going?
    http://spectator.org/articles/65145/obama-could-become-president-whole-world
    Should Obama become UN Secretary-General, he could become President of the Whole World.

    • “And there was an 8 king that sprung from the 7”

      https://youtu.be/Ts0fvk1qUfM

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Daniel 8:23 “And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings will stand up. 24 His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way, and he will be successful and act effectively. He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones. 25 And by his “cunning” he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand
        In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,. Daniel 2:44.also read Revelation 19:.

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