Regarding “Times and Seasons” – Part 3

//Regarding “Times and Seasons” – Part 3

(Due to minor editing audio does not match printed, exactly) This is part three of a continuation of the consideration of the July, 2013 Watchtower. Specifically, a response based upon the graphic published in the lead article. 

Those who have studied and compared the Hebrew prophecy of Daniel and the book of Revelation know that they are many similarities. For example, the series of empires that have dominated God’s people are symbolized by various beasts in Daniel’s prophecy. Revelation depicts a single composite beast with seven heads composed of the various parts of the individual beasts presented in Daniel.

Both prophecies reveal that there is to be a last king who will tyrannize the world and subjugate God’s people. And, Daniel and Revelation both specifically name Michael the archangel, placing him in the role designated for Jesus. (See article: Is Jesus Michael the Archangel ?) And lastly, Daniel and Revelation indicate that these things will take place during a specified period of time, which the 12th  chapter of Revelation indicates is “a short period of time.”

We are first introduced to the concept in the seventh chapter of Daniel, where it is revealed that the 11-horned wild-beast will make war upon the holy ones, conquering them for an enigmatic “time, times and half a time” – until such time as God intervenes and destroys the beast. Daniel’s account says of the beast, which is depicted as having 10 horns initially, but later an 11th horn emerges and plucks out three of the 10. And the 11th is different from the other horns and is said to have eyes and the mouth speaking grandiose things against God.

The 13th chapter of Revelation similarly depicts the beast that experiences a catastrophic blow to one of its seven heads, but from which, it recovers and commands that an image of the beast be fabricated and worshiped. That image and the 11th horn must symbolize the same entity – the last kingdom. But the resurrected beast of Revelation is also said to speak great blasphemies against God and to wage war against the holy ones and to conquer them for 42-months.

The 11th chapter of Revelation also indicates that the holy city and the courtyard of the temple of God will be trampled upon by the nations for 42-months. And in the next verse the 42-months is shown to be 1,260-days. The 12th chapter of Revelation reveals that the 1,260-days commences when Satan and his demons are hurled down from heaven by Michael the archangel.

metallic image of Daniel's prophecy For that matter, the metallic image in its entirety, portrayed in the 2nd chapter of Daniel as being composed of various metals and supported upon what even the Watchtower now recognizes as the Anglo-American feet of iron and clay, must likewise symbolize the last king – the image that all the doomed will be compelled to worship. .

The eighth chapter of Daniel also depicts a final king, described as being fierce in countenance, who will supplant his rivals and bring the holy ones to ruin, along with the constant feature, the sanctuary and the holy place of the Prince of princes. However, this portion of prophecy reveals that the last king will prevail for 2,300 evenings and mornings; after which, the holy place will be brought into its right condition.

It is worth noting that during the creative days when the earth was being prepared for human habitation the account says that there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day, and a second day and so on. So that each creative day was specifically noted as having an evening and a morning, in that order. So, it is most likely that the 2,300-evenings and mornings is simply an encrypted way of saying 1,150-days, since each day is composed of one evening and one morning.  And in this case one plus one really does equal one.

Finally, the last chapter of Daniel contains a related time period. Daniel 12:11-12 states: “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!”

The Watchtower, of course, teaches that these prophetic periods were concluded long ago.  For instance, the Pay Attention commentary on Daniel regarding the 1335 days speculates that it ran from autumn in 1922 and ended in the spring of 1926!  But if that is the case, are Jehovah’s Witnesses really to believe that God has pronounced “happy” that relative handful of International Bible Students who have, for the most part, all passed away? What reward did they have for keeping in expectation, other than the fact that they might receive a resurrection like the billions of others with whom they now lie mouldering in their graves?

Obviously, there are differences between the 1,150, 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335 days. But  they are all within the 3 ½  to 4-year time range. What we can say for certain is that the beast will go through its trauma as a result of Satan and the demons being cast down. And that initial defeat for Satan will be as a result of the kingdom coming to power. It will be a time of unprecedented turmoil upon the earth as Satan goes on a rampage and will seek to annihilate all of Jehovah’s worshipers. But as we know, those who have died who belong to Christ will be resurrected first during his parousia, while the remnant of those who belong to Jesus who are alive then will be persecuted. 

DanielSince the book of Daniel is said to be sealed up until the time of the end and it can be proven that the time of the end has not commenced yet, we cannot say with certainty how the various aspects of chronology will come into play.

But just as Jesus’ earthly ministry was roughly 42-months, followed by a 40-day period following Jesus’ resurrection before he ascended back to heaven, during which time he came alongside the disciples in various manifestations of his otherwise invisible presence; and then 10 more days before holy spirit was poured out, putting the new covenant into force (amounting to 50-days from the Passover to Pentecost), quite likely these various time periods in prophecy will see similar things come to pass. It may be that by the end of the 1,290-days all of the holy ones upon the earth will have been killed off and instantaneously, in the twinkling of an eye, been resurrected into the heavens, bringing the new covenant to a conclusion.

And by the end of the 1,335-days this world will no longer exist and Satan and his demons will have been removed entirely. One thing is certain, though, the Watchtower’s chronology is a complete hoax. As if to emphasize their own fraud, please note that in the little graph accompanying the July 2013, Watchtower, the Governing Body claims that it is an“unknown length” of time from the time the disgusting thing begins standing in a holy place until the end. Apparently, they have repudiated their own belief in prophecy!

Interestingly, the eighth chapter of Daniel states: “And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.”

In their commentary on the verse above, the Watchtower states that it is the “transgression” of the king fierce in countenance; but obviously, the desolation is brought about as punishment because of the transgression of those who are administering the constant feature within the spiritual sanctuary.

By their perverse blindness and treachery the leadership of the Watchtower Society have demonstrated that they are the ones guilty of transgression. They are the transgressing “spokesmen.” The soon to come trampling will serve as much needed  times and seasons of humbling, disciplining and restoration.

In conclusion, consider the concluding words of the 43rd chapter of Isaiah, the very chapter from where Jehovah’s Witnesses have derived their name:

“I—I am the One that is wiping out your transgressions for my own sake, and your sins I shall not remember. Remind me; let us put ourselves on judgment together; tell your own account of it in order that you may be in the right. Your own father, the first one, has sinned, and your own spokesmen have transgressed against me. So I shall profane the princes of the holy place, and I will give Jacob over as a man devoted to destruction and Israel over to words of abuse.”


At I Thessalonians 5:1-3, Paul wrote: “Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.” 

Obama speaks before the UN general assemblyIn his saying the brothers need nothing to be written them as regards “times and seasons,” the apostle was indicating that the prophetic times and seasons, presently sealed up in the book of Daniel, do not lead up to the beginning of the day of Jehovah, which the anointed prophet and apostle of Christ revealed would commence when “they are saying ‘peace and security.’” Since the day of Jehovah is coming as a thief in the night, and no one knows the day or the hour, the times and seasons are scheduled to begin once Jehovah’s day has commenced and, in fact, reveal the duration of it. 

The “instant destruction” that is to come upon them will coincide with the catastrophe depicted in prophecy, such as the plucking out of the three horns, the king fierce in countenance bringing the mighty ones to ruin and the sword-stroke upon the head of the wild beast. Does not Daniel indicate that after the beast is destroyed (“sudden destruction”) that there will be “a lengthening in life given to them for a time and a season

The designated “time and season” surely coincides with the specific prophetic time periods, during which time the vast majority of mankind will already be condemned to everlasting destruction because they will have worshiped the image and given their allegiance to the beast and rejected the kingdom of Christ and killed the holy ones. 

Since the world already seems to be on a short fuse burning down to an explosion unprecedented in human history, we may expect in the coming months for the threat of war to subside and perhaps then “they” will be saying “peace and security” over some long-sought for – seemingly unattainable – agreement between Israel and Palestine and other Arab nations, at which point World War III will suddenly erupt and the financial system will blowout and the leading nations will topple (“sudden destruction”) – only to arise from the ashes to commence the concluding “times and seasons” designated in prophecy.

Concluding note: In the book of Joel God promises his people that he will make compensation to them for the “years” that the insect-like military force of Jehovah, also called the “northerner” (aka king of the north), devastated them. The “years” evidently are the three and a half years.  

End of part three… 

2018-01-04T17:38:58+00:00 April 16th, 2013|WT Review|30 Comments
  • Song of Hannah

    Excellent article! Hadn’t thought about the cryptic “evenings and mornings” being answered by Genesis! My oh my how the Bible truly interprets itself!

  • Robert, it seems to me that its 2,300. i know it says days and nights but if i said there is 2,300 pairs of shoes or 2,300 trees and leaves, does that mean there is ONLY 1,150 trees and leavs and 1,150 pairs of shoes? if there are 2,300 days AND nights, you could even say oh then thats 4,600 cause theres 2,300 of each, if someone took it that way. its just scetchy to me. if i was doing inventory with my notepad and someone hollered back 2,300 rakes and shovels, i would not write down 1,150. there would be a total of 2,300 even if i didnt count one or the other being 1,150 each because they are packaged together just like day and night. i would not think 2,300 a piece either nor would i think 1,150 TOTAL just because both are mentioned as coupled.

    just being honest Rob. idk man. i wish Jesus was sitting in front if me then id just ask em

    if someone told mw its going to be 2,300 louzy d&n, then i would not expect less then that nor more.

    just my brain.

  • Robert, it seems to me that since its typical as a bible rule that days mean years, in order to specify that the 2,300 time frame spoken about are not years, it would be proper to specify the (24 hour) earth axis cycle of day and night as to what a full day is in respects 2,300 of them. so too the account in Genesis, six creative days and nights not being a year for each but each interval being a day and night earth spin cycle on its axis 1 though 6. without the specification of day and night the 2,300 could have been understood as yearly orbit around the sun.

    • 1914for100Alex

      I don’t think it can be 2300 24hr time frames.

      “Daniel also depicts a final king, described as being fierce in countenance, who will supplant his rivals and bring the holy ones to ruin, along with the constant feature, the sanctuary and the holy place of the Prince of princes.”

      So the 8th king starts a specific time frame, which coordinates with the constant feature being removed. If he were to rule for 2300 24hr cycles, that would exceed the following:

      “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!”

      Robert’s quote, as well as the posted scripture from Daniel both mention “the constant feature” being removed. That correlates with the 8th king’s reign begining. But note the “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days”. If we’re to be happy at arriving at the 1,335th day, it has to be because Armageddon has occurred and Satan has been defeated. If the 8th king’s rule was a full 2300 days, that would go well beyond the 1,335 days. Hope this helps.

      • yes, i have other thoughts as well that differ from what i posted.

        i understand 2,300 is more then 1,290 when the disgusting thing is in place to the end. but it doesnt exceed a full week being 2,520 days, if that somehow fits in that timline. idk. (220 day diff)
        i just dont see the justification (yet) to get 1,150 just cause you take the night away from the day. (or vice versa)

        hey im gunna go camping for 100 days and nights but i really mean 50 cause night is different. im gunna sneak back every night so you dont count 50% of my time im gone. it doesnt jive with me. it rained 40 days and nights. not 20 total just cause theres a light dark difference.

        1,150 is 40 days past 1,110 (day 2,370 if counting a full week and start the 1,150 from the middle of the week on the first day of 1,260). that could mean after day 1,110/2,370 there are 40 days walking along side which would total 1,150 day 2,410 via full week.

        but seems to me, idk, youre sugestimg to start counting both 1,290 & 1,150 at the same startimg point? at least ive had that though myself just thinking things through.

        boy, Burt’s really going to love this one. wrap ypir head around that man ?

        • 1914for100Alex

          All I know is I need more fingers and toes to count on to figure this all out!

      • nobody said he rules 2,300 cycles. what does it matter that it excees 1,290?

  • Francis Bencharles

    I’m not sure if the Watchtower has had a descent new understanding of the Bible in over 50 years. They gave up long ago. They are just sitting up in the semi-ivory tower on their Kingly thrones and waiting to exercise real power that may never come for some of them.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      For upon YOU men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes YOUR eyes, the prophets, and he has covered even YOUR heads, the visionaries. And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I am unable, for it is sealed up” and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: “Read this out loud, please,” and he has to say: “I do not know writing at all.”Isaiah 29:10-12

  • is this translation true?

    if it is then that means that there is 1,920 days between the constant feature being removed and the disgusting thing being put in place.

    |removed|———-1,920———|in place|

    Daniel 12:11 (CEB)

    “11 There will be one thousand two hundred ninety days from the time the daily sacrifice is stopped to the setting up of the desolating monstrosity.”

    Daniel 12:11 (CEV)

    “11 There will be one thousand two hundred ninety days from the time that the daily sacrifices are stopped, until someone sets up the Horrible Thing.” that causes destruction.”

    Daniel 12:11 (ERV)

    “11 The daily sacrifice will be stopped. There will be 1290 days from that time until the time that the terrible thing that destroys is set up.”

    Daniel 12:11 (EXB)

    “11 The ·daily [regular] sacrifice [8:12] will be ·stopped [turned away]. Then, after 1,290 days from that time, A blasphemous object that brings destruction [L the abomination of desolation; 11:31] will be set up.”

    Daniel 12:11 (NCV)

    “11 The daily sacrifice will be stopped. Then, after 1,290 days from that time, a blasphemous object that brings destruction will be set up.”

  • “After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.”

    is he not talking AM PM here?

    then 2,300 evening and morning = 2,300 full days. not 1,150 days.

    1+1 does equal one. one day. and there are 2,300 of them. not 1,150.

    there are 2,300 days

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Food for thought…

      Twilight on Earth is the illumination of the lower atmosphere when the Sun itself is not directly visible because it is below the horizon. Twilight is produced by sunlight scattering in the upper atmosphere, illuminating the lower atmosphere so that Earth’s surface is neither completely lit nor completely dark. The word twilight is also used to denote the periods of time when this illumination occurs.[2]

      The farther the Sun is below the horizon, the dimmer the twilight (other things such as atmospheric conditions being equal). When the Sun reaches 18 degrees below the horizon, the twilight’s brightness is nearly zero, and evening twilight becomes nighttime. When the Sun again reaches 18° below the horizon, nighttime becomes morning twilight. Owing to its distinctive quality, primarily the absence of shadows and the appearance of objects silhouetted against the bright sky, twilight has long been popular with photographers, who refer to it as ‘sweet light’, and painters, who refer to it as the blue hour, after the French expression, l’heure bleue.

      Twilight should not be confused with auroras, which can have a similar appearance in the night sky at high latitudes. By analogy with evening twilight, the word twilight is also sometimes used metaphorically, to imply that something is losing strength and approaching its end. For example, very old people may be said to be “in the twilight of their lives”. The collateral adjective for twilight is crepuscular which is sometimes applied to insects, fish, and mammals that are most active during that time.
      Twilight: Read more>

      • im using the bible to give what defines a day and from Genesis we find that evening and morings make a full day.
        if the angle says 2,300 days then that consist of mornings and evenings, 2,300 of them, not 1,150. not half days

        • Bklyn Kevin

          There Is four time segments in a 24-hour solar day according To Jesus and there intervals are 6 hours apart so that would mean the evening would be 6 hours and the morning would be 6 hours which are 12 hours In total.

          Keep on the watch, therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether late in the day or at midnight or before dawn or early in the morning,
          Mark 13:35

          Now calculate 2300 x 12 hours and that would = 27,600 hours
          now divide ÷ 27,600 by 24 hours and that would = 1,150 days.
          So what Robert King said about the 2,300 days bing encrypted
          is most certainly right.

          • Mark 13:35 is a good scripture.
            so i would guess –

            late in the day is 6pm,
            midnight 12am,
            before dawn 6am
            early morning 12pm noon?

            i would suggest that Robert use that as an example also besides Genesis.

            but then why bother saying 2,300 evenings and mornings?
            like i said in my comment a year ago “there would be a total of 2,300 even if i didnt count one or the other being 1,150 each because they are packaged together just like day and night.” like Robert said, 1+1=one. so one1 x 2,300 = 2,300. not 1,150.

            so are we to then understand that we only count 12 hour parts of the days that the angel said total 2,300? that does sound a little rediculous. if the angel wants us to know 1,150 FULL days because even if it were 1,150, well its only the half of those 1,150 as youre suggesting, just a 12 hour part.

            still sketchy to me. i feel the ingredient is the verse in Genesis

          • again, brother Kevin

            your are saying that evening & morning is only a half 12hr day. 6hr a piece.

            you then take 2,300 as 12hr half days then magicly calculate them into 1,150 24hr full days.

            see the problem?

            where does the other 12hr part of the day go? you added them in full yourself. sure the hours add up but that is not how the angel said it. he is saying the Day and the Night to make 24 hour days that total 2,300 full complete hour days

            • Bklyn Kevin

              An evening does not consist of a full 12 hours nor does a morning.
              that’s where you are mistaken.

            • you think they are 6 each equaling only 12 hours. ok so then 1,150 12hour days. where is the rest of the day?

              how are you then making evening & morning 24 hours when you say they are only 12 together? it would only be 1,150 half days if we follow that rule. half day, half day, half day. that would be silly.

              “And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”

              Genesis is speaking of no other parts of the day but the two contrast of light and dark that made a first complete day

            • into the light

              Jews didn’t have a concept of 24 hr day.

              The division of the day and the hours was a comparatively recent phenomenon in Jesus’ time. The very word “hour” is not even found in the Old Testament, except perhaps once in the book of Daniel. But by the time of Jesus, the division of the day into 12 hours was commonly accepted. This fact is referenced in many places in the New Testament. For example there is a parable of the laborers who were hired at the 11th hour (Mt 20:9). There are references to Jesus meeting the Samaritan woman at the well at the sixth hour (Jn 4:6). St. Mark says that Jesus was let out for crucifixion at the third hour and died at the ninth hour (Mk 15:25,33). Jesus admonished the disciples when they were unable watch and pray even for one hour.
              Exactly how an hour was reckoned was obviously less precise than it is today. There was a general sense of the position of the sun and there were sundials in use, especially among the Greeks. But there was a general vagueness surrounding it and in determining the exact time of the day in Israel back in Jesus’ day. As already noted, our modern mania for promptness and exactness with time was utterly unknown at the time of Jesus, and even in many places in the world today. Time was a much more flexible phenomenon. In Jesus’ day it would’ve been meaningless to set an appointment for 10:30 AM or 6:00 PM. One would have had to be content to speak of meeting in the early evening, or in mid-afternoon, etc. To us moderns this would seem infuriating. But life was slower then and people were rarely in a hurry.

            • into the light

              There were also 4 watches of the night:

              Smith’s Bible Dictionary

              Watches of night : The Jews, like the Greeks and Romans, divided the night into military watches instead of hours, each watch representing the period for which sentinels or pickets remained on duty. The proper Jewish reckoning recognized only three such watches, entitled the first or “beginning of the watches,” (Lamentations 2:19) the middle watch, (Judges 7:19) and the morning watch. (Exodus 14:24; 1 Samuel 11:11) These would last respectively from sunset to 10 P.M.; from 10 P.M. to 2 A.M.; and from 2 A.M. to sunrise. After the establishment of the Roman supremacy, the number of watches was increased to four, which were described either according to their numerical order, as in the case of the “fourth watch,” (Matthew 14:25) or by the terms “even,” “midnight,” “cock-crowing” and “morning.” (Mark 13:35) These terminated respectively at 9 P.M., midnight, 3 A.M. and 6 A.M.

            • the angel is either saying the hours of a evening worth that is 6 and the hours of a morning worth to be 6 and you add them all up and then make complete days out of them. but no, the angel is not saying that. the angel only said evenings and mornings. those parts of the day are stationary parts of a full day weather you see them as 6 hours or the same as 12hr Night & 12hr Day. and only one way works. if you look at it as two 6hr parts of the day then you skip the rest of the day and there is no full circle. so it can only mean 2,300 Days & Nights

            • into the light

              Hey, Dr. thought I’d help with more info on how time was kept in those times and I dropped it in for you to consider. What you said so far makes sense to me but I am not that knowledgeable about the subject so I can’t really say much. I have to read more about it.

              As for the e-jw forum I stumbled onto it before and actually visited it earlier today as well, along with, which I find a bit confusing from the usability standpoint but the community there is very active and discuss about huge variety of topics.

            • into the light

              Hey what did you mean by holy days? You mentioned e-jw and I’ve noticed that the admin of e-jw has his own site where he points to some holidays and possible dates for end time… how’s that for “no one knows except father”? Looks like picked up most of his understanding from bro King, but put his own spin on it.

            • you can search about it –


              given days are cut short, i would gues that changes the timing

            • into the light

              OK in the conversation on e-jw it’s insisted by the admin that Jesus was speaking to Pharisees regarding the sign, and he uses Mt. 16:3 to support his opinion but the context reveals that they asked Jesus to give them sign from sky in order to tempt him. They didn’t ask him about the seasons and signs of his coming but to prove to them that he was messiah. And he told them no sign will be given to them except the one of Jonah. And that’s exactly what happened. I’m not really convinced with the explanations given since things are taken out of context. Here is what the user LoVE JEHoVAH said:

              […] we do not know the day and hour when he will arive but if we keep watching faithfully then we will know the moment he does arive, because we kept watching faithfully like he said to do, unlike those not keeping watch. if i already know the day and hour then theres no point in keeping watch. i keep on the watch therefore because i do not know likely the day nor hour but when he arives like a random thief then i will notice him, the thief, and he will not catch me by suprize

              I think he summed it up nicely.

              As for the the Jewish feasts link you posted, that does make sense. But then again, as we keep on the watch we will be able to recognize those things as they happen. I don’t think there is a predetermined time for that. Same as with the fig tree. There is no exact date predetermined for the fig to get ripe. There is a season for growing and when it gets ripe, it’s ripe. And there are factors that contribute to whether it gets ripe sooner or later during the season.

            • perhaps post your reply in responce to that forums topic and see what others might have to say

            • into the light

              If you wanna read more, also check these links from the Insight book:


  • “Do not interpretations belong to God?”

    “Then I heard the voice of a man in the midst of the Ulai and he called out: “Gabriel, make that one understand what he saw.””

    “So he replied and made known to me the interpretation of these things.”

    “Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in a vision at night. So Daniel praised the God of heaven.”

    “there is a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets, and he has made known”

    “For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by [his] holy spirit.”

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