The desolation of Jerusalem by the Northerner

//The desolation of Jerusalem by the Northerner

As Jehovah’s Witnesses consider the Bible book of Joel this week in the Life and Ministry meeting, hopefully, some at least, will give the prophecy more than a cursory reading. It is, after all, a prophecy concerning the events leading up to the great and very awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. We should all give it the deepest consideration.

It should be apparent to even a casual reader that the disaster betokened by the onslaught of the voracious locust swarm befalls God’s people –not the clergy. The very fact Jehovah’s Witnesses do not grasp what is plainly evident explains why the prophecy of Joel is addressed to the drunkards and wine drinkers —spiritual drunkards, that is.

How is it possible that the spirit-directed organization, with its Teaching and Writing and Publishing committees, and men with hundreds of years of combined experience in examining and dissecting the Scriptures, even translating the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into a multiplicity of modern languages, yes, how can it be that the Governing Body has not discerned that the symbolic locusts of Joel do not represent Jehovah’s Witnesses, but, instead symbolize the anti-God forces under the command of the king of the north?

For example, does not Jehovah refer to the locust army as the “northerner”? (Joel 2:20) And if the locusts represent the ministry of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as the Watchtower has taught since the days of J.F. Rutherford, why does Jehovah promise to make compensation for the years the locust swarms devastated his land? (Joel 2:25) Spiritual inebriation is the only thing that explains how after years and years of Bible study the Watchtower still lacks insight into the deep things of God.

Although the Watchtower has intimated via the Introduction to Joel video to be viewed by the congregations this week that the locust are the enemies of God, as they surely are, do you, the one being taught, not discern for yourself that this barely-detectable “adjustment” changes everything in the most profound way?

If, as the Watchtower has indeed hinted in their cartoon animation, the locust army of Joel, although acting as Jehovah’s military force, are, in fact, the enemies of God, that raises the question: whom do they attack and when?

Although anyone who speaks critically of the Watchtower —as I do —is cast as an apostate enemy of the truth, I wholeheartedly believe that the Watchtower Society has served as God’s spirit-directed organization and that Jehovah’s Witnesses are the ministers of the truth. I believe that the anointed sons of Zion are within the organization. And since that is what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe too, what are we to make of the fact that the prophecy of Joel attributes these words to the victims of the locust plague: “Between the porch and the altar let the priests, the ministers of Jehovah, weep and say: ‘Do feel pity, O Jehovah, for your people; do not make your inheritance an object of scorn, letting the nations rule over them. Why should the peoples say, ‘Where is their God?”’ —Joel 2:17

Again, how is it possible that the anointed priests of Bethel do not grasp the implications of the passage above? Is it because they have not discerned the time of a future inspection at the coming of Christ? As Paul once said, “have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?”

To appreciate the enormity of the lack of discernment, since it is indisputable that the locust army represents the nations under the command of the northerner, and those nations are destined to rule over those who are identified as the priests and ministers of Jehovah —even Jehovah’s inheritance —and their rule is said to extend over years, the years for which God will compensate his people, how is it that the very foundation of the Watchtower has been built upon the dogma that the appointed times of the nations to trample Jerusalem ended in 1914?

And make no mistake: The prophecy of Joel pertains to the destruction of the city of Jerusalem. That is evident by what is stated in the third chapter of Joel —“For look! in those days and in that time, when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather together all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. I will enter into judgment with them there in behalf of my people and my inheritance Israel, for they scattered them among the nations, and they divided up my land among themselves. For my people they cast lots; they would trade a boy to hire a prostitute and sell a girl for wine to drink.”

Since the re-gathering of the captives of Judah and Jerusalem occurs as an immediate precursor to the gathering of the nations to the Valley of Jehoshaphat for the final judgment —an analogy that parallels the gathering of the nations to the place known as Armageddon —this means that the inhabitants of symbolic Jerusalem are yet to go into captivity and be scattered. And is not the desolation of Jerusalem the central feature of Christ’s extensive prophecy regarding the conclusion of the system of things? And did not Jesus also speak of the gathering of the chosen ones? Does not their being gathered indicate they must first be scattered?

In the gospel of Luke Jesus spoke of this captivity, saying: “And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.”

We may be certain that when the apostles asked Jesus when the holy city and the temple were going to be destroyed they did not for one moment imagine that the trampling of Jerusalem by the nations had already begun or that the appointed times of the nations to trample upon God’s city began when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judah. They wanted to know the future. They already knew the past.

And while they could not possibly have discerned the ultimate fulfillment of what Jesus said regarding the desolation of Jerusalem during a great tribulation that is destined to come upon the entire inhabited earth, there is no excuse for Jehovah’s Witnesses to any longer be ignorant regarding these vital details of the outworking of God’s purpose.

For a fact, the appointed times of the nations to trample Jerusalem parallel the years the locusts bring devastation upon Jerusalem. The 11th chapter of Revelation reveals the exact number of years that the nations will trample the holy city —it is three and a half years. For your convenience here is what is stated: “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months.”

If you are honest in your reasoning, you know that you personally have not seen any of the things Jesus foretold would take place during the conclusion. I am confident you were not on hand during the First World War. Nor did you personally witness the horror of the Spanish Influenza. Quite likely you were not even alive during the Second World War. But did not Jesus say, “when you see all these things occur”? Again, if we are honest with ourselves we will admit that we have not seen the things Jesus said will occur. We have only read about them. Yet, it is deemed by the Governing Body to be impossible that the signs signaling the beginning of the end could take place in the future. Are you sure there cannot be another world war? If so, why are you so sure? 

The signs aside, is it not true that the Watchtower foremost supports the 1914 doctrine by means of the seven times chronology? And the chronological calculations are based upon the year of Jerusalem’s destruction in 607 BCE. That is supposedly the beginning of the so-called Gentile times —the appointed times of the nations to trample Jerusalem.

But, again, if we are honest in our reasoning, our thoughtful consideration of Joel reveals a future desolation of a symbolic Jerusalem, a Jerusalem which cannot symbolize Christendom, but which is associated with the sons of heavenly Zion. Consider what is also stated in the 3rd chapter of Joel concerning Jerusalem: “And you will have to know that I am Jehovah your God, residing in Zion, my holy mountain. Jerusalem will become a holy place, and strangers will pass through her no more.”

Again, the “strangers” who will no more pass through God’s holy place are the nations —symbolized in Joel as the locusts. What, then, do these things portend for the future?

(To be continued…)

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2017-11-01T16:37:50+00:00 November 1st, 2017|WT Review|131 Comments
  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    In Joel 1:4 the locusts devours. Devours what? Joel:1:7 says devastated my vine and my fig into a stump.
    Vine represents what: Psl:80:80, Jet:2:21, and Isaiah:5:7 vine yard represents the nation of Israel, because of unfaithfulness as indicated in the same verse such as injustice and distress, Jehovah sent Jesus Christ who is the true vine as per John: 15:1&5. So which is modern day vineyard of Jehovah? It is Christian congregation
    So locusts devouring my vine means devouring the Christian congregation itself. The fig represents senior anointed matured ones as per Hos:9:10
    So locusts devour fig tree into stump means anointed ones being killed but few are left(that is what stump mean). So Joel 1:4 locusts devouring the Christian congregation itself that is why Jehovah compensates them as per Joel:2:25. Now see Joel:2:31: Sun turned into darkness means Christ’s support being removed hence the moon like truth reflecting remaining anointed ones are put to death(moon into blood). This incident initiates Jehovah to bring the nations into judgment in the valley of Jehoshaphat. That’s the whole message of Joel. This I am going to tell that locusts are not JWs but that nations invading the Christian congregation itself. Let me see what they will do.

  • Simpletruth

    All I can say is WOW!!! This is a very powerful and enlightening article. I can’t wait for the continuation! It is very amazing, as you point out, that the witnesses can’t see what is obviously being portrayed in Joel. The ONLY explanation has to be the inebriation. Nothing else could explain it…

  • Max

    WOW Excellent excellent article!!! The picture in the article looks ever a closer reality.

    • Well, maybe it is not food at the proper time for most folks

      • Max

        Only for now it is case for most folks, but Jehovah eventually will open their hearts and the ones with the right heart disposition will answer the Shepard’s call. After all we do belong to Jehovah and not to the WT. Thank you for all you do for all of us brother King.

      • Mick Hewitt

        Thanks Br Robert for the readjustments. A revelation. A revolution.

      • Craig Knight

        Hi Robert – I have a question Regarding the Gentile times. We may be certain that when the apostles asked Jesus when the holy city and the temple were going to be destroyed they did not for one moment imagine that the trampling of Jerusalem by the nations had already begun or that the appointed times of the nations to trample upon God’s city began when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judah. They wanted to know the future. They already knew the past.
        I agree with you about the disciples wanting to look forward not back wards but I always felt that since 587 when the last king of Israel was dethroned and

        • The prophecy in Ezekiel that the WT cites says that when the deadly wounded wicked chieftain removes his crown the throne will be vacant until he comes who has the legal right. That was Jesus. He had the legal right, being of the tribe of Judah and of David’s royal linage. And he acquired the crown when Jehovah anointed him. Jesus, was, in fact, hailed as the King of Israel. And they killed their king. Except, Jesus also became king of the Israel of God – a spiritual Israel. But that also took place back in the first century.

          • Craig Knight

            Robert my dear Brother I’m sorry to have bothered you with a question I could have found if I just looked. I found your article on the appointed times of the nations. I’m one of those that has tried to figure out WT’s chronology and I’m still stuck in WT’s pretzel twisting nonsense. I post what I found for others to view. Again my apologies for not looking first. 🙂

            On the matter of calculating the year 1914: Without having been previously indoctrinated with the Society’s seven times chronology it is highly unlikely that any reader of the 21st chapter of Luke would independently come to the conclusion that the appointed times began with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in the fifth century, B.C.E. The context of Jesus’ prophecy regarding the allotted times for Jerusalem to be trampled upon by the nations was in relation to the future desolation of the holy place by a disgusting thing.

            In the 11th chapter of Revelation the holy city and the courtyard of God’s spiritual temple are said to have been given to the nations to trample underfoot for a period of 42 months – in other words, it is an appointed time for the nations to trample “Jerusalem.” In view of the fact that the context of Christ’s prophecy had to do with the desolation of Jerusalem and the trampling of the holy place during the great tribulation the only legitimate, scriptural interpretation for the value of the appointed times is 42 months. (See chapter: The Gentile Times)

            • The Raven

              Here’s a little more on the appointed times and the seven times:
              https://e-watchman.com/the-seven-times-of-nebuchadnezzar/
              http://jehovah-is-king.com/gentile-times/

            • Craig Knight

              Hey Raven – I found that the 2nd link you sent me last night from RK’s Gentile Times. I hadn’t seen that one yet. I was so deeply ingrained in the WT chronology
              that I couldn’t make sense out of the appointed times until I saw it yesterday. I was blown away! It’s like my brain was in lock down from the crazy chronology of WT. How simple and powerful is RK’s explanation. The appointed times are yet future and it seems obvious it happens when the 2nd half of the tribulation starts and the king of fierce countenance is enthroned. This is another huge paradigm shift for me. You’re always there when I’m struggling with something Raven. Thanks so much! Here’s a section of RK’s article for others to see. And thank you Robert again for your insight into this subject! You turned WT’s ponderous silly nonsense into a clear and easy and practical application. I’m indebted to you again.:)

              With that knowledge it may now be understood what the appointed times of the nations actually are.
              Since “no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation,” as the apostle Peter wrote, God’s own word must interpret itself. Consider: In the book of Revelation, which was written over twenty years after Jerusalem was trampled upon by the Romans, Christ revealed that there is indeed an appointed time for the nations to trample God’s holy place. The appointed time is forty-two months. Revelation 11:2-3 states: “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”
              Forty-two months and 1,260 days are the equivalent of three and a-half years. The prophecy in the seventh chapter of Daniel similarly foretold a three and one-half year period during which time the sons of the kingdom would be trampled down by the wild beast.

            • The Raven

              I hear you. It’s always a relief when these things are finally made clear. I can easily get lost in the back 40 of this site and I often do! Look for one thing and find ten others! Lol! Always glad to help, man. I’m still learning a lot as well. 😊

            • Craig Knight

              I can’t tell you how happy my heart is to ditch WT’s absurd 1914 607 rambling, ponderous and fatuous chronology. My goodness I would get myself into a lather trying to keep all that confusion in my head. The truth is clean pure and simple not so complicated a rocket scientist would be left scratching his head. Robert’s explanation of the appointed times is just wonderful!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Jesus’ yoke refreshing (28-30)

              Matthew 11: Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you.
              29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart,+ and you will find refreshment for yourselves.* 30 For my yoke is kindly,* and my load is light.”

            • Craig Knight

              Yeah I like the kindly light part of that scripture. There is nothing mild or light about WT chronology. If anything it’s brutally heavy and burdensome. The truth does set one free doesn’t it?

            • muldoon55 .

              Craig Knight, you mention that trampling starts at second half of tribulation which is a 3 1/2 year period. Are we to understand that the tribulation is a seven year event?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello muldoon55 . More food for thought….

              The meaning of the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar’s madness?.
              Excerpt:
              So, the seven times may apply to the period of judgment that will commence in the aftermath of the fall of the leading nation of the world. It may be that the seven times are a literal seven years or simply a symbolic period. Time will tell. (No pun intended.)

              But, we may be certain that during that period all people will be forced to know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/the-seven-times-of-nebuchadnezzar/

              Also read > What Do The Seven Times Mean?.
              https://e-watchman.com/seven-times-mean/

            • muldoon55 .

              Kevin, that is certainly some fresh perspective for me and seems sound.
              Thank you for your insight

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I’m happy I could help.

            • Craig Knight

              Hi! Muldoon – That’s the way I understand it. The first 3 1/2 years is when the nations collapse from the economic meltdown and the world goes into chaos, world war, famine etc…RK explains it better here…http://jehovah-is-king.com/gentile-times/

            • muldoon55 .

              Craig,the only time frame I see mentioned in Roberts piece is the 42 month ( 3.5 year period) where rev 11:2 refers to the trampling of the holy city.This must be the same time period that starts when the revived beast rises out of the abyss and is given permission to wage war with and conquer the holy ones. Rev 13:3-5
              —————–
              3 And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke+ got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.
              4 And
              they worshiped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild
              beast, and they worshiped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like
              the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?”
              5 And a mouth speaking great things+ and blasphemies was given it,+ and authority to act forty-two months+ was given it.
              ——————-
              However there is another 42 month period spoken of at Rev 12:13,14 that commences at the birth of Gods kingdom when satan is hurled from heaven, signaling the death of the current 7th head of ruler ship and woe for the earth in general.
              ————————
              13 Now when the dragon saw that it was hurled down to the earth,+ it persecuted the woman+ that gave birth to the male child.
              14 But the two wings of the great eagle+ were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness+ to her place; there is where she is fed+ for a time and times and half a time*+ away from the face of the serpent
              ———————–
              During this time frame wings of an eagle are given to the woman and she is to be fed in the wilderness away from the face of satan for 3.5 times.This seems to be a separate earlier 3.5 year period. This must be the great tribulation period that intensifies to such a point that Gods intervention is necessary for any flesh to be saved after which the 2nd 3.5 year period commences or as it is referred to by Jesus at Rev 3:10 as the hour of test or Rev 17:12 the eighth kings one hour.

              Does this support a 7 year tribulation period?

            • Craig Knight

              Hi Muldoon – Yeah you nailed it! 2 separate 3 1/2 year periods. I couldn’t have said it any better than that. I just figured this out not too long ago myself so I’m new to these gems also. Like the Christians in 66 ce now we know what to expect in the future.

              RK describes the first half of the tribulation below:
              First comes the opening of the seven seals. The opening of the first seal unleashes the rider on the white horse, Christ — as also depicted in the 45th Psalm. Then the other horsemen bring war, famine and pestilence.

              Then the opening of the sixth seal results in the collapse of the governmental system. (Keep in mind that although the riders of the apocalypse are given authority to kill one-quarter of humanity those laid low by war, famine and pestilence are said to be in hades – the grave, as opposed to the lake of fire. It is not until the collapse of the symbolic mountains and the imposition of the last king that persons are marked for permanent death.

              Raven and I were discussing how many people who will die from the 4 horsemen but most will be resurrected because it’s only the 2nd half of tribulation where people will receive the beasts mark. Jehovah’s mercy will be given to many who perish during the first 3 1/2 years of the GT.

            • muldoon55 .

              I’m really encouraged by your insights Craig.
              Looks like we’re in for one hell of a ride

            • Craig Knight

              It’s nice to have a lucid explanation of the gentile times for a change isn’t it. I’m encouraged by RK’s insight’s here and I’m more than happy to share them. We are in for a wild ride for sure. Being among the baby boomer’s I have led a rather soft life not lacking the basic needs like happened during the depression and besides that I’m an old geezer! Ha! The tribulation is the worst time in the history of mankind! That’s scary and exciting at the same time. Now is the time to build up our faith. Cheers!

            • Sharon

              there are still quite a few of us craig who donot believe the rider of that white horse to be jesus Christ,but rather the antichrist,and I am one of them,just my opinion

            • Daisy

              God’s word supports your “opinion” sister as the similarities between the riders on the white horse in revelation are striking as both ride on a white horse indicating (righteousness) victory (rev 6:2 rev 19:11)
              Both wear a crown but Christ wears multiple crowns and
              both overcome in their pursuits.
              Rev 19:11… “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.”
              And we know it is the Lamb who has just loosed the first seal and sending himself forth so if Christ rides forth here …rev 6 …who is it that remains in heaven to open the remaining seals. This rider carries a bow whereas Christ’s weapon is a sword. This rider is alone whereas Christ is followed by the armies in heaven. Christ rides forth at the end of the Tribulation whereas this fake Christ rides at the beginning.
              Jesus himself describes what will happen to an unsuspecting world when the false Christ, deceiver, anti Christ…John 5:43 ” I have come in my Father’s name and you do not receive Me, if anyone comes in his own name, you will receive him”

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Is Jesus the rider of the white horse?

              Excerpt:
              The 45th Psalm depicts Christ riding forth with both a sword and a bow. It reads: “Gird your sword upon your thigh, O mighty one, with your dignity and your splendor. And in your splendor go on to success; ride in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness, and your right hand will instruct you in fear-inspiring things. Your arrows are sharp—under you peoples keep falling— In the heart of the enemies of the king.”

              A bow is used to fight from some distance, whereas a sword can only be effective in close-up warfare. So, the symbolism in Revelation first depicts Christ riding forth with a bow to engage the enemy from a distance. Then in the 19th chapter he is pictured bearing a sword, not in his hand, but in his mouth. In other words, his very word can slay the enemy. And just as David acquired the crown of Malcam through conquest Jesus has many diadems as he goes forth for the final war – symbolizing that no one among the enemies of God will have any authority at that point.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/is-jesus-the-rider-of-the-white-horse/

            • Sharon

              well put sister,couldnt have said it better myself

            • Richard Long

              The single most persuasive argument for Christ as NOT the rider of the white horse? The WT said he is.

            • Daisy

              Might appear that way Richard. As, regarding the identity of the rider on the white horse being Jesus…well…he’s just opened the scroll … he’s been given a bow and a crown and he came out conquering, and to conquer. The rider has no arrows therefore rendering the bow useless, so feigning peace whereas Christ is coming with fury… by masquerading as someone he’s not, riding a white horse like Christ ..rev 19…so fake…the anti christ..
              Also, his crown is a wreath like Paul described in 1 cor something, unlike the many crowns worn by Christ denoting his royalty, kingship.
              We also know very well how God allows the antichrist to conquer the earth through lies and deceit.
              So Matt 24: can be compared to rev 6 as the 1st seal corresponds to the first events in – false Christ’s.
              The 2nd seal in Rev 6 – wars
              The 3rd seal in Rev 6:5-6- Famines and so on….

            • Bklyn Kevin

              But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea.
              “Woe to the world because of the stumbling blocks! Of course, it is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the man through whom the stumbling block comes! Matthew 18:6 -8.

            • Daisy

              Elmer Gantry comes to mind…good imitation brother ( English humour not to be mistaken for sarcasm)
              Much love from Daisy 😉

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I hope that English humor works out for you on Judgement Day.

              What Is Judgment Day?.

              The Bible says that God “has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth.” (Acts 17:31) For many people the prospect of being subjected to any kind of judgment is unwelcome. Is that how you feel?. Read more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/

            • Daisy

              You can judge me any day brother, as you seem extremely gifted in that skill. Feel free. . much love daisy 🙂

            • Richard Long

              Already is. Full on started the process ahead of schedule and without the appointed judge being seated. Welcome to the gallows, sister. Getting pretty crowded up here isn’t it?

            • Daisy

              Lol… In the three years I’ve been here its seems to me, judging is bro Bklyn’s raison d’etre…IMO 🙂

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You can twist my words all you want but I’m not judging you or anyone else that honor is left to Jesus when he separates the sheep from the goats, so I would appreciate if you stop making insinuations that I am judging everyone when all I am doing is just sharing Bible scripture and Roberts articles and on occasion Watchtower articles.
              There is a word for what you’re doing to me it’S called slander.
              slan·der
              ˈslandər/Submit
              nounLAW
              1.
              the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation.
              “he is suing the TV network for slander”
              verb
              1.
              make false and damaging statements about (someone).
              “they were accused of slandering the head of state”
              synonyms: defame (someone’s character), blacken someone’s name, tell lies about, speak ill/evil of, sully someone’s reputation, libel, smear, cast aspersions on, spread scandal about, besmirch, tarnish, taint; More
              1228 (diabolos) in secular Greek means “backbiter,” i.e. an accuser, calumniator (slanderer). 1228 (diábolos) is literally someone who “casts through,” i.e. making charges that bring down (destroy). Satan is used by God in this plan – as a predictable wind-up toy, playing out his evil nature.]
              1228 diábolos (from 1225 /diabállō, “to slander, accuse, defame”) – properly, a slanderer; a false accuser; unjustly criticizing to hurt (malign) and condemn to sever a relationship.
              Read more>
              http://biblehub.com/greek/1228.htm

            • Daisy

              Lol. Chill pills arriving by air mail 🙂 first class, recorded delivery

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Sorry Daisy I have to do this but I can no longer tolerate your antics , so as of right now I’m personally blocking you that means I will no longer be able to see your comments.
              May Jehovah bless your search for the truth.

            • Daisy

              Bro bklyn…you asked me how i felt about being subjected to judgment. I replied. Hissy fit ensued in your next insulting comment headed my way.
              Fyi Jehovah has blessed me… in many many ways, his holy spirit strengthening me all through last year and I’ve never felt such peace and joy in my life since I relied and depended so deeply on our Comforter, despite my problems and especially where the truth is concerned but thanks for your concern …and I must thank you for blocking me with all my heart, as it’s confirmation that I’m in very good company with Richard…and ALL the other believers you’ve blocked over the years that don’t agree with your robotic religious fanaticism. Much love from Daisy

            • Richard Long

              I cannot help but stare incredulously at the disingenuous sentiment of regret he just HAD to endure in performance of the torturous sacrifice to self in the righteous act of silencing you by plugging his ears and shouting “LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!

              Hope he can keep it up till the lights go out! My money says he cant.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Is Jesus the rider of the white horse?

              Excerpt:
              The 45th Psalm depicts Christ riding forth with both a sword and a bow. It reads: “Gird your sword upon your thigh, O mighty one, with your dignity and your splendor. And in your splendor go on to success; ride in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness, and your right hand will instruct you in fear-inspiring things. Your arrows are sharp—under you peoples keep falling— In the heart of the enemies of the king.”

              A bow is used to fight from some distance, whereas a sword can only be effective in close-up warfare. So, the symbolism in Revelation first depicts Christ riding forth with a bow to engage the enemy from a distance. Then in the 19th chapter he is pictured bearing a sword, not in his hand, but in his mouth. In other words, his very word can slay the enemy. And just as David acquired the crown of Malcam through conquest Jesus has many diadems as he goes forth for the final war – symbolizing that no one among the enemies of God will have any authority at that point.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/is-j

            • Sharon

              Jesus Christ is the one speaking in both math24:and revelation6,adressing the same question in both chapters.he then goes on to list in time sequence,and order the events that precede the end of the age,and his second coming -Parousia. the very first words out of his mouth is very telling,look out that nobody misleads you,many will come in my name saying I am Christ,and shall deceive many. this one is a counterfeit Christ,the only similarities in my opinion is the white horse.the false Christ is carring a bow,no arrows even. then we have the real Christ,described in revelation19:11-16.Now that’s the REAL CHRIST. to believe that Mathew 24:5is describing jesus Christ retuning before wars,famine,disease etc is absurd. just my opinion

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Sharon said “the very first words out of his mouth is very telling,look out that nobody misleads you,
              If you think you are being misled by Robert Kings articles – my question to you is why do you even bother coming to Robert Kings website and read his articles?.

            • Sharon

              I don’t have a clue as to what on earth you just said,or why for that matter,what on earth does my comment have to do with brother king?ni I don’t agree with everything b king says,but neither does everyone else hear,i read the comments.i did that for the first 60yrs of my life,i have a brain and can think for myself,i wll read the articles,and do no commenting,just like I did for the first 5yrs I came to this site.you sir need to learn to think befre you speak.thats the last thing I have to say

            • Richard Long

              Sharon, please do not retreat into silence unless you must for your own peace of mind and well being. Please remember it is not Robert trying to silence you.

            • Craig Knight

              Hi Sharon – That’s something I never thought about before. I can see how you think that after studying those verses in Rev 6:2 and 19:11. The 4 horsemen bring negative consequences for mankind so that’s interesting. Rev 19:11 is obviously Christ but 6:2 seems different. Christ is the one opening the scrolls so who is the rider? Is the rider a representation of the anti Christ? This rider carries a bow whereas Christ’s weapon is a sword. This rider is alone whereas Christ is followed by the armies in heaven. Christ rides forth at the end of the Tribulation whereas this fake Christ rides at the beginning. Daisy asks some good questions here. Thanks for opening these questions. I will have to do some homework on this one. 🙂

            • into the light

              Craig, are the 2 witnesses coming during the trampling by the nations or after that; and are they supposed to restore the outer courtyard? The fact that they are dressed in sackcloth is indicative of what? In the bible wearing of sackcloth indicated both mourning and repentance, depending on context it was written in. Are they mourning God’s anger towards nations and their subsequent destruction or the fact that the courtyard had been trampled?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              More food for thought
              Read a lot more> Search results for: the two witnesses.
              https://e-watchman.com/?s=the+two+witnessesBabylon Versus Zion
              Excerpt:
              briefly consider the amazing interconnectivity of some familiar prophecies: In the 12th chapter of Revelation, the symbolic woman that gives birth to the kingdom is depicted as crying out in pain and agony and she is driven into seclusion in a symbolic wilderness for a period amounting to 1,260 days, or three and one-half years. In the 11th chapter of Revelation, God’s two anointed witnesses are reduced to preaching in sackcloth (a symbol of humiliation and mourning), as a result of the trampling of God’s holy city by the nations for a similar period of 42-months.

              Lamentations 2:10 likewise describes the older men of Zion putting on sackcloth covering as they mourn the desolation of Jehovah’s city: “The older men of the daughter of Zion sit down on the earth, where they keep silence. They have brought up dust upon their head. They have girded on sackcloth. The virgins of Jerusalem have brought their head down to the very earth.” Moreover, the vision of Revelation describes the two priest-like anointed prophets being slain by their persecutors. Lamentations 2:20b appropriately asks: “Or in the sanctuary of Jehovah should priest and prophet be killed?” Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/babylon-versus-zion/

              Revelation of Christ and the Two Witnesses.
              Excerpt:
              In harmony with the fact that the two witnesses come on the scene after the sealing has been accomplished, the 11th chapter of Revelation concludes with a vision of the curtain in God’s heavenly sanctuary being drawn back to reveal the ark of the covenant.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/revelation-christ-two-witnesses/

              What about the 7,000 who are killed?.
              Excerpt:
              So, to tie it all together, the two witnesses are representative of the chosen ones who will see Christ —just as John, James and Peter were representative witnesses of the entire body of disciples in the transfiguration. However, the 7,000 are the total number of individuals who are symbolized by the two witnesses.
              https://e-watchman.com/what-about-the-7000-who-are-killed/

              Read a lot more> Search results for: the two witnesses.
              https://e-watchman.com/?s=the+two+witnesses

            • into the light

              Thanks, Kevin. Much homework again 😀 I’ll take my time to study this.
              I already made the connection that the two witnesses are in sackcloth due to trampling of the temple courtyard. I also pointed out to Craig that there is a connection to them in Zechariah 4.

            • Craig Knight

              Hi ITL – As I understand it the 2 witnesses are the anointed ones and I assume they will be here with us as we go thru the start of the GT and on until the 8th king gets crowned. You use the word coming for the 2 witnesses. The only way I could see the 2 witnesses coming would be when they ride alongside Christ during the battle of Armageddon. But first they have to die and most likely the 8th king will accomplish that.

              That’s a good question about the sackcloth. I’m not sure I am qualified to answer that but I wouldn’t think they would not be mourning for the nations that they will be taking part in with Christ to destroy. If anything they would be rejoicing in the nations destruction because when they ride with Jesus the nations would have already chosen to take the mark of the beast by then. If the outer courtyard is the earthly aspect of God’s people then I assume they would be mourning that. God steps in to prevent his people from complete destruction. That’s my take on it. Have you heard King’s podcast 7? RK explains the end times very well. Kevin reminded me of that. It’s very good. The Gentile Times article RK wrote is also very very good.

            • into the light

              Sorry for confusion. I meant are they appearing during the trampling or after…
              Please note that they are represented with two olive trees and two lampstands. This alludes to Zechariah 4:3. That chapter speaks of Zerubbabel laying foundation of the new temple after the exile from Babylon. Interesting is also that Zerubbabel was appointed by king Cyrus —who also prefigures Christ — to be the governor of Judea.

            • Craig Knight

              That is interesting about Zerubbabel. I just read that chapter. RK has a good article on the two witnesses.
              https://e-watchman.com/revelation-christ-two-witnesses/

            • Burt Reynolds

              What do you call your parrot Craig?

            • Craig Knight

              Oh my little mini me you mean? Ha ha! His name is Chili. I inherited him from a friend who wasn’t very good with animals. At first I hated him because these little sun conure’s are so loud that people who live 2 blocks away have said they have heard him. But now the noise doesn’t bother me. He’s just a sweet little clown. I love him dearly. Do you have any pets Burt?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Craig, yes I do keep a pet. My dog Basil, in the picture avatar, died a couple of months ago from a stroke. He was a good age and went painlessly. I think Jehovah values the faithfulness of animals. So as to my wont, I immediately ‘re-pooched’ as I call it and bought myself a cocker spaniel poodle cross, known here as a ‘Cockerpoo’. I find it helpful just to go and get another dog, as grief can be transferred into care for a puppy and it saves the heartbreak a little. The only drawback from this dog is that he is completely black so when he comes in from the garden at night, I can only see two eyes at the door reflecting the light, nothing else. Even when he is in the house, it’s a job to know one end from the other, especially when he is curled up. I called him Barnaby.

            • Richard Long

              Wondered why you had stopped talking about your dog, Burt. So sorry you lost your old friend.

              Had the same problem tripping over my daughter’s black manx cat, solved with reflective collar and bell.

            • Craig Knight

              Burt – Sorry to hear about Basil that really hurts doesn’t it? I lost our weenie dog Oscar about 8 years ago. He had cancer and I was with him and was kissing him as he fell asleep in my arms. I was so sad I couldn’t have another dog for a long stretch. We finally got little Lily and she has been a joy. I don’t know how people make it without animals. They are just bundles of joy and love. Animals are really healing to the soul. I’m glad you got another dog right away to keep you company. That’s funny that you can only see his eye’s in the dark. Lol! Just make sure you kiss the right end when He’s curled up with you on the couch. Ha!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The overwhelming evidence surely suggest so……

      “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
      Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!
      Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
      Matthew 24:45-47.

      Revelation 16:15
      15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Was Jerusalem destroyed in 607 or 587?

    • I do not know. Does it matter?

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        The secular history says 587 but why Wts is lying may be to prove 1914. Why they take 70 AD from secular history? But the date doesn’t matter

        • No, the date doesn’t matter, because the appointed times of the nations to trample Jerusalem did not begin when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem.

          • Craig Knight

            The appointed times will start during the 2nd half of the tribulation when the King of fierce countenance or the 8th king is enthroned by the world powers. The appointed times will end 3 1/2 years later when Christ destroys this system. I hope I have that right!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I’m sure you will enjoy this podcast….

              Podcast #7 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-7/
              This podcast is a response to a comment left on the Peace and Security blog entry on The Watchman’s Post. (Article since revised and comment no longer available due to website redesign)

              Download Watchman podcast, episode #7

            • Craig Knight

              Hi Kevin! That is a great podcast – I just finished listening to it. I also caught what RK said about his not getting too involved in the comments here. So I will try to not ask Robert questions since He is so busy. I’m finding out that RK has most things we need to know in his articles here.

              I always prided myself on how I figured out the mental gymnastics of WT chronology. All that complicated nonsense can drive a person to distraction. The appointed times of the nations is so wonderfully simple and clear of confusion once a person gets WT teaching out of their heads. I read RK’s book and articles here but it seemed to just go over my head. At last it clicked and I now understand it is a future event during the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. The chains of WT’s chronology have finally fallen off me and the truth shines thru! The podcast was very helpful. Thanks once again for sharing these gems.

        • the times of the nations (Ezekiel 30:3 = Matt 20:24) hasnt begun yet and is a short pirod of time that doesnt span thousands of years. thats why some time-frames of that great tribulation is written down for us so that any interpretation conflicting with the times & seasons are bogus

      • Mick Hewitt

        no

    • Craig Knight

      587 a historical fact. Read Carl Oloff Johnson’s book The Gentile Times Reconsidered.

  • Burt Reynolds

    I can identify with your comments Robert on the belief in the watchtower and its purpose. I find it difficult at times to see the parallel due to the daily increasing issues, allegations and sleazy hiding behind the scriptures, and I can sympathise with those who view it as so appalling that Jehovah could never have been involved with the watchtower, especially so as Russell appears to have been somewhat loose morally. I see the issue of what the watchtower did as a whole, and thus above the individual heinous actions of some and it is this principle that for me, justifies the prophetic position of the watchtower in line with what you describe.

    But what is the correct balance to have on this matter as far as the bible Shows and are there parallels that we can see in the scripture that support the hypothesis of the watchtower’s role in prophesy? I understand the example showing the corruption going on within the sanctury, but is there a sufficient challenge to those who see the watchtower as such a disgrace that it could never be considered as being used by Jehovah in his purpose?

    • Well, Jesus did say there would be an increasing of lawlessness. And Paul foretold the apostasy must come first, before Christ. So, yeah, all of the sleaze is leading up to some really nasty stuff.

    • Richard Long

      If I might adjust the premise as it applies to me personally, mine is the difficulty in seeing the WT as considered being used by Jehovah in his purpose *exactly the way the WT says it has been used*. To the extent that Robert accepts the WT’s premise, or even would reach that conclusion independently, and also sees that premise in fulfillment of prophecy is exactly *why* I am still in his audience.

      I cannot explain why I see a bigger, wider picture, ESPECIALLY given that the minute detail of prophesy that Robert sees but escapes my notice until he points it out, and do reasonably conclude that I *might* just be an idiot or blind, or maybe even a blind idiot.

      The ONLY position I am staking out is that the WT has absolutely EARNED my distrust by their intentional, affirmative actions on a thousand fronts, leaving me no other honest choice but deconstruction of every word they have said and every deed they have done if they are to remain in my consideration as “Jehovah’s instrument” at all. That is reasonable, is it not?

      • Craig Knight

        It was foretold Richard that God’s people would become stupid prophets and it seems WT has kept to that description. So most of us have a love hate relationship with WT. I don’t trust them either and your wise not to. Just stay where you are and trust God to fix matters as He always does.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Absolutely! We all have to find our own path. We would all be robots otherwise! Just keep on plodding the same as all of us and hopefully we will all arrive at the gate.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The Day of Jehovah Is Near!
      Excerpt:
      Although Bethel claims to serve as a “watchman class” – presuming to be wide awake to world conditions and God’s coming judgment – there can be no other conclusion except that it is Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves and especially their anointed Bethel leadership and its Governing Body, who will soon be roused from their collective stupor by Heaven’s sobering rebuke: “Wake up, you drunkards!”Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/day-jehovah-near/

      Many Will Be Stumbled and Betray One Another
      Excerpt:
      It is indisputable that the Watchtower Society dominates the faith of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Witnesses affectionately refer to the organization as “mother.” It is inevitable, then, that masses of Jehovah’s Witnesses are going to be stumbled when their mother is disgraced and silenced – even as the prophet has written: “And you will certainly stumble in the daytime, and even a prophet must stumble with you, as at night. And I will put your mother to silence. My people will certainly be silenced, because there is no knowledge.” – Hosea 4:5-6
      https://e-watchman.com/many-will-be-stumbled-betray-one-another/

      The last days of the Watchtower
      Excerpt:
      Elsewhere in prophecy Jehovah foretells there will come an end to the talk. Here is a passage: “The elders of the daughter of Zion sit on the ground in silence. They throw dust on their heads and wear sackcloth. The virgins of Jerusalem have bowed their heads down to the ground.” —Lamentations 2:4

      Hosea has something to say in this regard too: “However, let no man contend or reprove, for your people are like those who contend against a priest. So you will stumble in broad daylight, and the prophet will stumble with you, as if it were night. And I will silence your mother. My people will be silenced, because there is no knowledge.”

      Two female Jehovah’s Witnesses on scooter with JW.org signDo not Jehovah’s Witnesses affectionately refer to the Watchtower as their “mother”? They surely do. And because the Watchtower has promoted what might be considered the biggest hoax ever perpetrated —that being the 1914 kingdom-came delusion, the organizational prophet will stumble over the stumbling block he has laid when Christ comes to commence the judgment of the house of God.Read more> https://e-watchman.com/last-days-watchtower/

      The Devil Has Come Down to You.
      Excerpt:
      The very fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been duped into believing that the man of lawlessness is the clergy, when the Scriptures clearly indicate the son of destruction sits down within God’s temple – otherwise known as Christ’s congregation – and is there up until the manifestation of Jesus’ presence, is also evidence of a deluding influence at work, emanating from within the innermost chamber of Bethel itself.
      According to Paul, “the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception…” Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/devil-come/

      Jehovah’s Witnesses – A People for his Name?
      https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-people-name/

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hosea 4, 5-6 ‘….my people will certainly be silenced as there is no knowledge.’ It is an interesting scripture in the face of those who argue that Christendom are as a whole, Jehovah’s people, if only due yo the fact that they already have not any knowledge….so what is the point of their ‘mother’ being silenced? Who would notice if the priests shut their mouths and stopped meddling?

  • JTK

    perhaps the congregations need a martin Luther type approach by the nailing of objections and scriptural proofs of their false teachings to the doors of kingdom halls. or maybe its just simply time to witness to witnesses.
    i have tried a few times to talk to them about 1914 etc and get them to at least check what they believe to be the truth specifically with regard to the return of Christ, i direct them to Roberts site, but the conversation always, at least to date, turns pretty cold very quickly.
    how is it even possible for anyone to break throught the WT mindset wall , anyone who tries is immediatley seen as an outsider who cannot possible be right or an apostate who just wants to destroy the faith of others.
    however it seems to me that it all has to happen
    Jehovah has always made sure the truth was delivered to his people so they had a choice and so the work Robert is doing must also happen to ensure that the truth is available and at least some will be aware of the reality and can be there for their brothers and sisters when the WT dream evaporates in front of the eyes of the flocks

    • Craig Knight

      JTK Hi! – I love Martin Luther’s story. I read his life story not too long ago. What a brave man He was to stand up against the Catholic church and risk his life to fight against the the Catholic church. In fact He was burned to death but they were kind and strangled him to death first. Wasn’t that nice of them? We have an obligation to try to reach out to JW’s but it needs to be done with love and caution. Example a real old brother or sister is better left alone as it might physically be too much for them like my 88 year old mother. My son and I tried to talk to my nephew about 1914 and He said oh stop focusing on a date! But it’s WT that focuses on a date not us out here in apostate land. Ingrained brain washing is so hard to break thru.

      • JTK

        Hi Craig
        i do take your point we do have to be sensitive with elderly ones God bless them, they probably stopped questioning what they were being told many years ago and i suspect they could not bare the truth after such loyalty to the faithful and discrete slave.
        with regard to speaking to younger ones, yes thats similar to what i got back from a couple of them. “the date is not important” WHAT!!
        frankly i found the exchange concerning and sort of insulting really, but i hope the sister took something from it. but i doubt it. it felt more like a rebuttle and a wiping of the dust from the sandal. But i will keep trying

        • Craig Knight

          Most of them won’t listen until they are ready but it doesn’t hurt to plant a seed here and there. 🙂

    • Richard Long

      JTK, there are some fairly substantial JW reform movements, not that I care to advertise any of them, But they’re getting about as much traction as Robert’s – precious little. The WT just don’t CARE what we filthy unwashed have to say.

      • JTK

        absolutley, and if we aim our message at the leaders what hope do we have that they change, i would say little to no hope!
        however the flock need to hear the truth, it seems clear now that after 10 years of Robert targeting elders that a change of tact or at least an adjustment is necessary. can you imagine witnessing to witnesses at their front doors as they do to others.

        how are thy gonna react. when we open with the words what does the bible really teach about the return of Christ

        i know its not going to happen big scale, only the structured form of the WTO can build such a teaching platform on the scale needed, and as Robert points out the WT have been used as a holding pen for the sheep.
        My personal feelings are for the non anointed ones they are truly innocents in this, the anointed ones should know better and be following the Lamb wherever he goes not the WTO wherever it leads them

      • JTK

        its going to be hard fall when it comes

    • J.M.J.

      I have in the past tried the same . I used the logic of .If someone was saying things about a friend .I would want to get to the bottom of it as to either confirm or disprove it ..In the same way are you not trying to get to the bottom of the watchtowers N.G.O. status with the united nations ,and their child abuse . ..I may as well of spoken to the wall . They repeat a mantra that the watchtower has said it is a lie and not to pay any regards to it . One man got aggressive and shouted that I was apostate ,but still refused to talk about it .

  • Mick Hewitt

    I don’t know about you but phew! To be alive in this time and be privileged so. Seeing this happen, about to happen, will happen.

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    I just finished meetings today. Finally today at last I some how got the chance to answer. Yes I broke the answer and directly said that locusts are not JW referring to Joel 1:7 incident and added that Joel 1st and 2nd chapter about judgement message on Christian congregation and only 3rd chapter is about restoration of Christian congregation and destruction of the nations in the valley of Jehoshaphat. Nobody asked me anything. They are least bothered. Only one said hey brother how did you do that?

    • And the elders can’t say anything to you since the JW.org video implies the locusts are now enemies of God. Good job!

      • Coimbatore Isaac

        I am very much watched by my congregation members especially the elders. They know that I answer more than what WTS teaches but scripturally it is correct so they cannot do anything to me. One day I went 15 minutes late to the Sunday meetings and the elder alerted me saying brother try to come soon, in spite they know I have twin kids and how it would be difficult.The kids will get ready but one will say in the last moment mummy I want to go for toilet (pooh), then that will be delayed but still we go, they know this and many times this was the main reason. They also know that brother Isaac’s family will have breakfast at home so they also know that I will never go to restaurant as I avoid restaurants since they use Illuminati’s manufactured products in their food preparation. They know all this still they want to find fault as there is no other fault to find in me. I know now from yesterday onward I will will be monitored under the microscope because my answer was direct. It pierced them.

        BROTHER ROBERT THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU HAVE OPENED MY EYES EVER SINCE 2010. AND YESTERDAY WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO ANSWER. YOUR WEBSITE BUILT COURAGE IN ME THANK YOU THANK YOU.

        I THANK VERY MUCH JEHOVAH AND JESUS FOR SHOWING ME THIS WEBSITE AS NOT EVEN ONE IN COIMBATORE OR IN KARNATAKA KNOWS ABOUT THIS SITE AND THE TRUTH BEYOND WATCHTOWER’S TEACHING.

        Your website taught me how to interpret prophecies using context. I am a born JW but still I say that I learned the truth only in 2010-2012 that means I can say that only after my baptism I learned the truth.
        I also love each and everyone who are associating in this website

        • Mick Hewitt

          Powerful, Powerful can feel that.

        • Jamie Mac

          Isaac, you are an inspiration to all of us. You have such zeal , Jehovah must be very pleased with you.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Good for you Isaac. I admire your fearless approach.

      • Coimbatore Isaac

        Thanks Reynolds I finally made it.

    • marisa gomez

      Hey brother…….how did you do that? You are really brave……I’ve been trying……but….you know……..!!!!!apostasy!!!!!

      • Coimbatore Isaac

        Well I know brother that they will label me apostasy if I directly tell judgement message on Christian congregation because according to WTS judgement of congregation finished in 1918-1919.Brother anyway thank you very much. May I know where are you from? i am just interested in various people.

        • marisa gomez

          Soy Colombiana pero vivo en Ecuador. …I am from Colombia but living in Ecuador South America….

    • Mick Hewitt

      Isaac you are made of flint. I am in awe of your boldness!

      • Coimbatore Isaac

        Thanks Mick Hewitt where are you from please let me know about you. I am going to flint them while discussing Micah:5:5 and Habakkuk:3:17. But I cannot do so much from Amos and Obadiah because everything is some what direct to direct. anyway thank you brother.

        • Mick Hewitt

          England. Got reinstated almost 2yr back just when I woke up..Thankfully tuned into the watchman.. I admire your zeal

  • Sandy

    Golden Dawn and The Watchtower – interesting information –
    The wheat and Weeds planted in the same day / night = the weeds being planted by Satan would have to include something that makes the Organization as “marked ” by Satan – as you point out they are like dogs …… marking their territory

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_(magic)

    the Watchers are evoked at quarterly “Watchtowers” to guard and witness the rites performed before them. I
    In the tradition of the 1880s Order of the Golden Dawn
    a watchtower or guardian in ceremonial and derived neopagan magical tradition is a tutelary spirit of one of the four cardinal points or “quarters” (north, east, south, and west).
    They are also variously associated in many traditions with each the four classical elements (earth, air, fire, and water) and stars (Fomalhaut, Aldebaran, Regulus, and Antares). The Watchtowers are invoked during the ritual of casting a magic circle.
    Alternately, “Watchtowers” may refer specifically to the abodes of the Guardians, with the guardians themselves referred to as “Watchers” or simply “Guardians”.

    A favorite ritual in the Golden Dawn was the Opening by Watchtower. This is actually a preliminary ritual to purify space and call upon the guardians of the four quarters, similar to casting the magic circle in Wicca

    http://www.archangels-and-angels.com/misc/grigori.html

    Over half a century following Leland’s works, Gerald Gardner wrote of the Watchers and their connection to Wicca. In Wiccan religion the Watchers are evoked at quarterly “Watchtowers” to guard and witness the rites performed before them

    • The Raven

      It’s interesting and I am reminded of Crowley’s involvement with the Golden Dawn and Thelema.
      The watchtower took its name from scripture, not from occult or satanic influences. IMO their deeds mark them as having an MOL among them and a deluding influence.

      https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004581#h=3

      A place of lookout or post of observation, often built on a city wall. (See TOWER.) Other watchtowers were constructed in wilderness areas or on frontiers. They were principally designed for military purposes and served to protect a city or a boundary; they were also constructed as places of refuge for shepherds and farmers in isolated areas and enabled a watchman to warn of marauders so that flocks and ripening crops in the area might be protected.

      2 Chronicles 20:24
      24 But when Judah came to the watchtower of the wilderness+ and looked toward the crowd, there they saw their carcasses fallen to the ground;+ there were no survivors.

      Isaiah 21:8
      8 Then he called out like a lion:
      “Upon the watchtower, O Jehovah, I am standing constantly by day,
      And I am stationed at my guardpost every night.+

      Isaiah 32:14
      14 For the fortified tower has been forsaken;
      The noisy city has been abandoned.+
      Oʹphel+ and the watchtower have become a permanent wasteland,
      A delight for wild donkeys,
      A pasture for the flocks,+

      A number of cities were named Mizpeh (Heb., mits·pehʹ, “Watchtower”), probably because of being on high elevations or because of notable towers erected there. Sometimes the Bible distinguished these cities by naming their location, as “Mizpeh of Gilead”

      Judges 11:29
      29 Jehovah’s spirit came upon Jephʹthah,+ and he passed through Gilʹe·ad and Ma·nasʹseh to go to Mizʹpeh of Gilʹe·ad,+ and from Mizʹpeh of Gilʹe·ad he continued on to the Amʹmon·ites.

      and “Mizpeh in Moab.”

      1 Samuel 22:3
      3 David later went from there to Mizʹpeh in Moʹab and said to the king of Moʹab:+ “Please let my father and mother stay with you until I know what God will do for me.”

      A pile of stones was set up by Jacob and called “Galeed” (meaning “Witness Heap”) and “The Watchtower.” Laban then said: “Let Jehovah keep watch between me and you when we are situated unseen the one from the other.”

      Genesis 31:45-49
      45 So Jacob took a stone and set it up as a pillar.+ 46 Then Jacob said to his brothers: “Pick up stones!” And they took stones and made a pile. After that they ate there on the pile of stones. 47 And Laʹban began calling it Jeʹgar-sa·ha·duʹtha,* but Jacob called it Galʹe·ed.*
      48 Laʹban then said: “This pile of stones is a witness between me and you today.” That is why he named it Galʹe·ed,+ 49 and the Watchtower, for he said: “Let Jehovah keep watch between you and me when we are out of each other’s sight.

      This pile of stones would testify to the fact that Jehovah was watching to see that Jacob and Laban carried out their covenant of peace.

  • Burt Reynolds

    What irritates me about the tribulation picture above is that this guy is thanking Jehovah for his deliverance, while his poor wife is struggling, carrying their baby and needs a hand to save herself. One would think he would help his wife first so they could worship together rather than he having this ‘I’m alright Jack’ approach. Garden of Eden all over again.

    • Coimbatore Isaac

      May be they are promoting Charles Taze Russel culture by not giving anything to his wife but to Rose Ball. Russel never respected his wife so this man in the picture thinks he alone should be saved but about his wife he is least bothered.

    • Craig Knight

      That’s a hoot Burt! The man should be behind her in case she slips and falls to prevent her and the kid from rolling all the way down the hill. I guess He wanted to get to safety first and then worry about his family afterwards. Or maybe WT wants to remind the Brothers to take the lead. Ha ha!

  • Sharon

    yes we are certainly living in exciting times.interesting about the change at watchtower.however I personally don’t agree with your conclusion.I don’t agree with this replacement theology.Jehovah in my opinion is not done with the Jews,Jerusalem still holds a special place in Jehovahs heart,especially Isreal,and maybe we will see the fulfilement of zechariahs prophecy soon along with many more,afterall Jehovah god made a blood covenant with them to be kings and priest.but like I said just my personal opinion

    • Did you know, Israel could single-handedly blow up the entire Arab world and bring on nuclear winter? 40 nukes, which is what Israel possesses, is probably all it would take. Why would God protect Israel? The world needs protection from them!

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yes brother you’re 100% right.

      • Sharon

        those are not the ones of course,they are the ones who will be called back to their homeland,the ones who have been scattered all over world,and as for the ones who don’t listen Jehovah will give them a little nudge

        • Why should Jehovah give the Jews special consideration? They have had 2,000 years to accept Christ and very few have. The truth is, the true Jews – that is to say, the seed of Abraham – are not Jews in the flesh. They are Jews by means of spirit. That is what Christianity is all about.

          • Sharon

            I don’t know brother king,what I do know is we are dealing with 2 everlasting cov.abrahams gave is offspring all the land from the nile river-to the Euphrates,and that one will be fulfilled.and the blood cov Jehovah made with moses was a blood cov,it took almost 2 days to complete,and whoever breaks that cov was punishable with death.and it seems strange to me that they were offered to be kings and priests.then in luke he broke the bread something they had been doing every year for 2000yrsand then did the same with the wine,saying keep doing this in rem of me,again nothing new they did this every year.but then he took the cup again this time speaking of his blood,and a new cov,because the isrealites broke the blood cov between them,and Jehovah.i believe exactly what jeremiah 16:19kjv says the gentiles will cry out surely we have inherited lies from our forfathers,and then we will take hold of the skirt of the jews,and say teach us your ways.after the blindness has been lifted from their eyes of course.just my opinion

            • Song of Hannah

              Maybe these scriptures will help? This is why I believe all prophecy is only speaking of spiritual Jews and not fleshly Jews now:

              Matt 21:42 Jesus said to them: “Did YOU never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits.”

              Matt 23:37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU.”

              Heb 8: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second; 8 for he does find fault with the people when he says: “‘Look! There are days coming,’ says Jehovah, ‘and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant…. 13 In his saying “a new [covenant]” he has made the former one obsolete. Now that which is made obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away.”

              Rom 2:28 “For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.”

              Rom 3:27 “Where, then, is the boasting? It is shut out. Through what law? That of works? No indeed, but through the law of faith. 28 For we reckon that a man is declared righteous by faith apart from works of law. 29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of people of the nations? Yes, of people of the nations also.”

            • Song of Hannah

              I appreciate this scripture in Galatians too:
              Gal 3:27 “For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.”

              Later he summarizes:
              Gal 4:28 “Now we, brothers, are children belonging to the promise the same as Isaac was.“

              Paul further reasons with us:

              Romans 9:6 “However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who [spring] from Israel are really “Israel.” 7 Neither because they are Abraham’s seed are they all children, but: “What will be called ‘your seed’ will be through Isaac.”

              And he really hammers it down in Verse 8:
              “That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed.”

            • Song of Hannah

              But the greatest evidence is what Paul said at Romans 10:11:

              “For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.”

              And also:

              Rom 3:9 “What then? Are we [Jews] in a better position? Not at all! For above we have made the charge that Jews as well as Greeks are all under sin….
              21 But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; 22 yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

              Also Peter as a second witness says there is no distinction:
              Acts 15:9 “And he made no distinction at all between us and them, but purified their hearts by faith. “

              So a total of 3 times, the Holy Scriptures state that their is no distinction. Is not 3 times sufficient for basis of a belief? Not only that – but it even falls under the scriptural principle of “2 witnesses”, as it was stated by both Peter & Paul. So I just don’t see any way around it, honestly. There is just no distinction between Jews & Gentiles anymore.

            • Daisy

              Oh what a wonderful God we have! How great are his wisdom and knowledge and riches! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his methods! For who among us can know the mind of God? Who knows enough to be his councillor and guide? And who could ever offer to God enough to induce him to act?…
              Now many of the Jews are enemies of the Gospel. They hate it. But this has been of benefit to you, for it has resulted in God’s giving his gifts to you Gentiles. Yet the Jews are still beloved of God because of his promises to Abraham Isaac and Jacob. For *God’s gifts and his call can NEVER BE WITHDRAWN; HE WILL NEVEr GO BACK ON HIS PROMISES* Once you were rebels against God, but when the Jews refused his gifts God was merciful to you instead. And now the Jews are the rebels, but some day soon, they, too WILL SHARE IN GODS MERCY UPON YOU. For God has given them all up to sin SO THAT HE COULD HAVE MERCY UPON ALL ALIKE. ROM 11.

            • Nigel

              I have come to the belief that both opinions on this matter are correct, and the “missing link” that actually connects both – which hasn’t yet been mentioned/factored – is Jehovah’s grace, His undeserved kindness.

              On the one hand, Sister Hannah and Brother King are correct in pointing out that those “in Christ” ARE “Spriritual Israel”, however Sisters Sharon & Daisy are also correct in that Jehovah does not, and will not, break his covenant with “fleshly Israel”, either.

              I am of the opinion that at some stage yet future, God, in His amazing grace, will “open the eyes” of fleshly Israel to the reality of Christ Jesus, the reality that the Jesus they rejected 2000 years ago is, indeed, their Messiah. At that point, it will then be up to the individual fleshly Israelite to decide whether to embrace Jesus Christ as their personal Messiah, their personal Saviour, or to continue to reject Him.

              I have come to this conclusion thusly:

              “For I could wish that I myself were separated from the Christ as the cursed one for the sake of my brothers, my relatives according to the flesh, who are Israelites…” Rom 9:3,4 NWT

              Paul, here, is quite clearly talking about “fleshly Israel” and, indeed, if the statement “according to the flesh” wasn’t clear enough, the word translated “relatives” (συγγενής) literally means:

              “a relative (by blood); by extension, a fellow countryman:—cousin, kin(-sfolk, -sman).”

              So Paul is definitely talking about “fleshly Israel”, not “spiritual Israel”.

              He continues speaking on the subject in Romans 10, and then begins Romans 11 thusly:

              “I ask, then, God did not reject his people, did he? By no means! For I too am an Israelite, of the offspring of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he first recognized…” Rom 11:1,2 NWT

              The “people” Jehovah “first recognised” were fleshly Israel.

              Paul continues:

              “So in the same way, at the present time also, there is a remnant according to a choosing through undeserved kindness. Now if it is by undeserved kindness, it is no longer through works; otherwise, the undeserved kindness would no longer be undeserved kindness.” Rom 11:5,6 NWT

              Jehovah has reserved for Himself a “remnant” of fleshly Israel through undeserved kindness (aka grace) – not because of any “works” those “remnant” may have done or be doing, but by Jehovah’s sovereign choice.

              Paul further emphasises that he is, indeed, speaking of “fleshly Israel” in verses 13 & 14:

              “Now I speak to you who are people of the nations. Seeing that I am an apostle to the nations, I glorify my ministry to see if I may in some way incite my own people (literally: “flesh”) to jealousy and save some from among them.” Rom 11:13,14

              Paul’s personal wish was that SOME of his “own [flesh]”, his own “people”, the “fleshly Israelites”, would be saved.

              Verses 17-20 make clear that it is us Gentiles that have been “grafted” onto “Israel”, not the other way around. This agrees with our understanding of “spiritual Israel”. But he also shows that if “fleshly Israel” do not “remain in their lack of faith” they can – and will – be “grafted back in” (and will flourish, no less):

              “Consider, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. There is severity toward those who fell (i.e. fleshly Israel), but toward you (i.e. Gentiles who have become spiritual Israelites) there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you too will be lopped off. And they (i.e. fleshly Israel) also, IF THEY DO NOT REMAIN IN THEIR LACK OF FAITH, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them back in. For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much more will these who are natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree!” Rom 11:22-24 NWT

              And here’s the clincher, the “missing link” of the undeserved kindness of Jah that He will extend towards “fleshly Israel”, the factor that shows that Jah has not entirely forgotten “fleshly Israel” and is yet to act towards them:

              “For I do not want you to be unaware of this sacred secret, brothers (!!), so that you do not become wise in your own eyes: A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, and in this manner all Israel will be saved. Just as it is written: “The deliverer will come out of Zion and turn away ungodly practices from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them, when I take their sins away.” True, with respect to the good news, they are enemies for your sakes; but with respect to God’s choosing, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are not things he will regret. For just as you were once disobedient to God but have now been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so also these now have been disobedient with mercy resulting to you, so that they themselves may also now be shown mercy. For God has confined all of them together in disobedience so that he might show all of them mercy.” Rom 11:25-32 NWT

              “A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel UNTIL the full number of people of the nations has come in”.

              The scripture here plainly shows that once “the full number of people of the nations has come in” the “partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel” shall be lifted. (Since it was Jehovah that gave them this “partial dulling of senses” (vs.8), He can also take it away.)

              “and in this manner all Israel will be saved.”

              I believe this means ALL Israel, i.e. fleshly Israel AND spiritual Israel, together.

              At some stage (yet future, I believe) “The deliverer will come out of Zion and turn away ungodly practices from Jacob.”

              I believe this means that not only will Jah remove the blindness currently enveloping fleshly Israelites in their rejection of Jesus Christ, Yahushua Ha Mashiach, but that His “deliverer” will actually, graciously, furnish proof of Jesus’ annointing by Jah, of his Lordship. Then, fleshly Israelites will be able to make a personal, informed decision whether to accept their Messiah or to continue rejecting Him, as per their tradition. At that stage, the proof will be undeniable and those rejecting Jesus Christ will be no different to those who saw His miracles & heard His words 2000 years ago and yet still rejected Him. Unfortunately, it seems that only a “remnant” of fleshly Israel will believe, but, nevertheless, “they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers” and so he will try to save them.

              “For the gifts and the calling of God are not things he will regret.”

              Or, as the NIV puts it:

              “for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.”

              The key will be whether or not they accept Jesus as their Messiah, put faith in Him and obey Him, as (a few of) us Gentiles have over the past 2000 years.

              “For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.” Heb 4:2 NIV

              🙂

        • averyone who is a servent of Jehovah are the ones

    • Richard Long

      Sharon, this premise would require the modern day Israelis to be the “same family” Jehovah brought to Israel. Does evidence show this to be the case?

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        That’s exactly right, they are not the same Jews whom Jehovah brought, but are Khazars now.

        • Richard Long

          Thanks, Isaac, I am aware of that. Before I can evaluate what she is saying, I need to be sure I understand what she is saying.🤔

      • Sharon

        absolutely not,these ones have been scattered all over the world,these ones will be asked to come home,and for those that don’t,scriptue says Jehovah will give them a little push

        • Richard Long

          So your premise does not involve the modern day Israelis?

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Why Jehovah would ever deal with the present Jews, first of all they don’t worship Jehovah but Freemasons. They don’t believe in Jesus Christ either as Robert said Israelis are so powerful that even big countries like India made defence deal for 2billion dollars. If Arabs together rise against israel they can call for Samson option as the last resort see wikipedia.

      • Sharon

        because those are not true isrealites

      • biblical Jews = servents of Jehovah.

        secular Jews = nothing, just dummys over in that area

  • muldoon55 .

    Robert has intimated in his wide body of work that the United Nations would no doubt be an instument of or perhaps be the eighth king itself. Here is an article that reveals how the the door is being opened by the stupid princes of Zoan for the U.N. to occupy the U.S and empower itself above our constitution

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/30/the-us-gov-agrees-to-a-un-military-takeover-in-the-event-of-civil-unrest-on-american-soil/

    • Richard Long

      OUR constitution? I thought we were no part of the world. Will the downfall of America be a loss for us or just call really big inconvenience?

      • muldoon55 .

        Paul exercised his rights as a roman citizen and appealed his case to a higher court although no part of the world
        The fall of Amerika , while being the starting signal of Christs rule and a cause for lifting ones head up in joyful anticipation,at the same time it will be the greatest time of hardship if not death for most of us.Just saying

        • Richard Long

          I get that, but if America had EVER kept one promise embodied in the US constitution, the courts would never be necessary for us to appeal our “case”. The constitution was SUPPOSED to be constriction on what the GOVERNMENT was permitted to do. Epic Fail. Just saying.

          • muldoon55 .

            Unfortunately the constitution will be toilet paper soon.
            City of London with Jehovahs backing will see to that

        • Southern ShaSha

          Muldoon55, I agree. I am appreciative of the fact I do live in America. We have had a freedom most countries could only wish for. Freedom in most cases to practice and live our faith as we choose. I believe it will be much tougher, (tribulation) on us because we have done little suffering by means of governmental invention in our lives. Of course that’s about to change dramatically, of course faith in Jehovah God and His Son Christ Jesus will be our refuge, prayerfully! Enjoyed the link you shared.

          • muldoon55 .

            God bless you dear sister for your insights are most inspiring

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