The Coming Judgment of Jehovah

//The Coming Judgment of Jehovah

(This article was contributed by one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Edited by Robert King)

In the near future those who love and worship Jehovah God, and who desire to follow and obey his Son, will have a life and death decision to make. Their lives and the lives of their children and their families will hang in the balance – on the words of Jesus Christ – words that he gave to his true followers who would be living at the end of the Christian age.  

The words he spoke were: “When you catch sight of the disgusting thing standing in the holy place (‘the abomination that causes desolation’ spoken of through Daniel the prophet) – let the reader understand – then let those in Judea flee to the mountains.”

Just prior to the siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, the command was given to announce the end and the destruction of Jehovah’s earthly organization. (Jeremiah 4:3-10) “Announce it in Judah and proclaim it in Jerusalem, Sound the trumpet throughout the land! Raise the signal to go to Zion! Flee for safety without delay! For I am bringing disaster from the north even a terrible destruction.”

11 EZEKIEL-THE-WATCHMANMost of Jehovah’s witnesses understand the similarities in the destruction of Jerusalem in the time of Jeremiah and the desolation of the holy place by the Roman armies in the first century. Both armies came from the “north” and warning was given to flee. Also in both cases, many did not heed the warning and lost their lives as a result. 

So, life-and-death must be involved again by what is typified by the “holy place” and “Jerusalem”. 

According to the Watchtower’s interpretation, the destruction of Jerusalem and the holy place by the Babylonians, and then in the first century by the Romans, represents the coming destruction of the churches of Christendom. 

Although the Governing Body claims that the spiritual house of God has already been judged and was inspected by Christ in 1918. (Or is it 1914 now?) But is that really accurate and does it harmonize with the scriptures? Most importantly, is there any way to “test the inspired expressions” in the light of the Scriptures and take to heart the apostles admonitions to “make sure of all things”. (1 Thessalonians 5:20,21) 

The leadership of the organization insists that the next prophecy on the horizon is the cry of “peace and security!” Then God’s wrath expressed through the nations on Babylon the Great. 

But is it credible or reasonable to conclude that Jehovah’s organization will exist judgment free all the way to the onset of the great tribulation and the destruction of Babylon the Great and then the nations? 

DO NOT BELIEVE EVERY INSPIRED EXPRESSION

We know prophecy has a minor and major fulfillment. So let us make a careful examination and see if and where our understanding needs revision.

The apostle John exhorted and strongly cautioned the anointed congregation and Jehovah’s servants living in the last days, writing: “Beloved ones, do not believe every expired expression, but test the inspired expression to see if it originates with God because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.”

John emphasized even expressions that would seem to be inspired should still be tested as to their authenticity – as originating from God. Without testing the inspired expression, we merely show we have become followers of men. (Psalms 146:3) 

And as the apostle Peter warned in advance false teachers would exploit many from within Christ’s Congregation with counterfeit words (2 Peter 2:1-3) 

Concerning judgement, the disciple James warned his fellow believers that not many should become teachers because they will receive a heavier judgment. We as Christians are interested in when this judgement occurs. Did it occur in 1918? How could that be possible since the modern elder arrangement did not even exist then? Besides, that would mean the present generation of appointed elders and ministerial servants, as well as publishers, have escaped the judgment.

The apostle Peter also spoke of the judgment to come. He wrote at 1 Peter 4:17 “for it is time to start judgement with God’s household and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the good news.”  

Peter here was emphasizing that the judgment begins with the house of God and the anointed Congregation and those who associate it. The judgement is intended to purify God’s people and his spiritual temple. 

The Society has recently made another revision of interpretation, stating that the appointment over “all the master’s belongings” occurs in the future when Jesus Christ “arrives”. Doesn’t this imply a future judgement to determine which slave has been faithful and which has been wicked? 

Despite the suggestion that there is now no evil slave class, that is not what Jesus Christ indicated. He said there would be a faithful slave and an evil slave working together. (Luke 12:42-48) These two slaves coexist in the same house – Jehovah’s organization – up until the time Christ returns. 

And as Jesus stated in Luke both slaves receive strokes, even the faithful slave, thus showing there will be a chastisement even for Christ’s faithful followers when he unexpectedly arrives like a thief in the night. 

That Babylon the Great is next to be judged by Jehovah is an error in interpretation. Regardless of the organization’s erroneous teaching in this regard – the judgment must first begin with Jehovah’s people and his house.  

The inescapable truth of the matter is that Jehovah’s people are going to be exiled and “cut off” from him when he conceals his face from them for the appointed 42 months, which represents the three and half year drought decreed by Elijah, after which he will have mercy on them and pour out his spirit in a never before seen way as described in the book of Joel. (Malachi 4:5-6, Joel 2:28-32) 

This “concealing” is the beginning of the judgment. (1 Peter 4:17) Though it is true there is an ongoing judgment of anointed Christians that began in the first century, this testing and refining is part of the polishing and refining of those who will inhabit Jehovah’s spiritual house. (Hosea 6:5-7) Peter also alluded to the future and final judging that will coincide with the destruction of the entire present wicked system of things. In that the same way, Peter exhorted Christians to “maintain your conduct fine among the nations, that in the thing they are speaking against you as evildoers, they may as a result of your fine works glorify God in the day of his inspection.”

The day of inspection would therefore logically be the “day of inspection” by Christ. (1 Peter 2:12) 

Jehovah has foretold and declared to his people through prophecy that they will temporarily have to leave “the city” and go “as far as Babylon”. Some bible translations have rendered that particular text  “to Babylon,” instead of “as far as.” (Micah 4:10) It is true, many of Jehovah’s sheep have gone “as far as Babylon” – or back to Babylon. 

Those who have been stumbled out of the truth by false dates, the over emphasis on works and less on love, and the creating of ranks within the organization that epitomize the “class distinctions” echoed by the disciple James in the first century. 

One of the many things Jehovah God condemns in his law are those who set themselves above others and then gain riches at the expense of the poor and the withholding of tithes. Jehovah condemns those who oppress the poor, commit robbery and mistreat the foreigner. These are the characteristics of those who practice lawlessness. There are those who have been emotionally broken and ignored or silenced by the churning machine of literature production and self-seeking men, then the trampling of others for an exalted position within the organization. 

The neglect of those in need and failure to seek and save those who have been lost to this system are certainly matters for Christ to judge. 

May we all as fellow brothers and sisters and followers of Christ be reminded that we are required to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters as Christ laid down his life for us. (1 John 3:16,17). 

Again, certainly there is a day of reckoning. 

THE DISGUSTING THING THAT CAUSES DESOLATION

But the above-cited text in Micah has a grander and more significant fulfillment than applying to just those that have been stumbled out of the truth. It means Christ’s congregation as a whole will be scattered at the time God brings judgment on his earthly organization. 

Jehovah goes on further to relate in Zechariah that he will scatter his people to “the four winds,” which are to be released at the great tribulation after the slaves of God are sealed. (Zechariah 2:6-13, Revelation 7:1-4) 

This is the judgement of the house of God, when the abomination that causes desolation stands in the “holy place”. 

It’s then the abomination that causes desolation – identified as the Assyrian (the eighth king who rises from the ashes of a fallen United States) – whose identity is revealed as the United Nations, rules for a predetermined “one-hour.” It is the eighth king that is destined to stand in the holy place. 

At that time the judgement commences and true Christians are then scattered to the four winds. As a result of that brief but intense period of testing and discipline many will come back to their senses and return to Jehovah with a complete and undivided heart, after which, Jehovah will recollect them under Christ and then bring his judgement against Babylon and then against the Nations.

It is because of this exile that after the 42 months of antitypical Jerusalem being “trampled on by the nations” the 18th chapter of Revelation then will be relevant, speaking to his people, saying: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share with her in her sins. So that you will not receive part of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4,5)

The command to “get out of her my people” comes immediately prior to the destruction of Babylon the great, implying that he has a people of special possession that he will collect back from Babylon en-mass, not in a slow trickle over decades as people leave the churches, but a mass exodus. 

All these judgements occur in quick succession rather than spanning years and decades. Those who do not heed the warning will not survive. 

It will be the most terrifying event that has ever been experienced and it all occurs when the four winds are released. Did not Jesus Christ say he would gather his chosen ones from the four winds? And does not a gathering together imply a scattering?                                                                                                                                

The Watchtower mistakenly interprets that the abomination causing desolation occurs with an attack on Christendom – reasoning that prior to both instances of its desolation Jerusalem had become apostate and rebelled against Jehovah, and therefore, Jerusalem cannot represent Jehovah’s organization today. 

But if that is the case, why then the warning from James that not many should become teachers? 

The truth is that the Psalmist cued us to what we are to understand regarding the holy place and the sanctuary and the scriptures reveal the meaning. In the 74th psalm the psalmist wrote “They burned your sanctuary to the ground; they defiled the dwelling place of your Name.” (Psalms 74:7) 

The meaning of this scripture explains without leaving doubt that the sanctuary is where God’s name resides. Again, we can glean what is meant if we examine the words found in the book of Deuteronomy.

Deuteronomy 12:5: “But you are to seek the place that Jehovah your God will choose from among all your tribes to put his name there for his dwelling”.  

Jehovah’s people will be forced to make a life and death decision on catching sight of the disgusting thing “standing where it ought not” – that being the place where his name resides.

“Therefore when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment) then let those in judea begin fleeing to the mountains.”

temple desolationChrist directed his disciples to the book of Daniel, where in chapter 9 we read: “And upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate.”  

Also, the 11th chapter of Daniel goes on to relate “And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. And there will proceed arms that will stand up from him and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.”  (Daniel 11:30-31) 

The sanctuary, the constant feature and the fortress are all aspects of worship that belong to Jehovah. The Watchtower understands this and that the constant feature pertains to the sacrifices of praise offered to God in his sanctuary, where his name resides. 

This is in harmony with the 8th chapter of Daniel, which describes the developments in the “time of the end” in connection to a king fierce in countenance – the eighth king – also causing desolation to “the holy place” and removing the “constant feature”. 

The one using discernment should realize that the holy place that is destined to come to desolation and be trampled on by the nations is the sanctuary and the spiritual realm of the holy ones where God’s name resides, Christ’s true congregation. 

This is what the Watchtower teaches, but instead of realizing this as the major fulfillment of God’s people, they mistakenly apply this to the king of the north during the Second World War. Also,  the twelfth chapter of Daniel describes the putting in place the disgusting thing and the removal of the constant feature, which has been erroneously applied to 1918 and the creation of the League of Nations. 

These confusing and convoluted interpretations have confused Jehovah’s Witnesses and caused them to have no expectation of any coming judgment of Jehovah.

As regards the major fulfillment of the desolation of the holy place it is obviously necessary to discard the entire notion that Christ was enthroned as king in 1914. The foundation for the organization’s teaching regarding the presence of Christ beginning in 1914 is based on the seven times chronology, which was long ago wrongly connected to the appointed times of the nations, which Christ mentioned in connection with the desolation of Jerusalem and the holy place. 

In the context of what Jesus Christ said, it reads: “Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity on the land and wrath on this people; and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled”. (Luke 21:23,24) 

The entire 21st chapter in Luke was prompted by Jesus telling his disciples that “not a stone would be left upon a stone” with regard to the sacred temple. That prompted Jesus’ disciples to ask him what would be the sign of this future desolation. Simply examining the context should give us the clear understanding that Jesus warning applied not merely to the Jews, but especially to Christians. 

Surely the disciples must have understood that Jesus was describing a future event and that Jerusalem was going to be destroyed and their fellow Jews were going to fall by the edge of the sword. In doing an honest examination, would Jesus’ disciples have understood him to be referring to the destruction of Solomon’s temple five centuries earlier by the Babylonians? Their question concerned about the future and that is what Jesus was addressing. 

By extension the major fulfillment of that same prophecy regarding the trampling of Jerusalem must involve the “Israel of God” and the place where Jehovah has caused his name to reside in modern times. 

For example, Jesus said, “in those days,” meaning in those days when the disgusting thing would bring desolation in the future, not the past. And the future desolation would last “until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled”. 

There is no way to scripturally justify applying the appointed times of the nations to the original destruction of Jerusalem, and linking it to the seven times of Daniel. It is all stitched and cleverly woven together in an attempt to attach some significance to 1914. 

A MAN OF LAWLESSNESS WITHIN

When we examine closely the inspired expression, though, we discern this is an operation of error. Paul foretold that a man of lawlessness will ultimately sit down in the temple of The God proclaiming himself to be a god.  

Although the Watchtower claims the clergy is this man of lawlessness, that interpretation does not harmonize with Scripture. 

2nd Thessalonians 2:4 informs us that the man of lawlessness seats himself in God’s temple – the temple being the anointed congregation of Christ. So in that light, the clergy cannot possibly be this man of lawlessness because that would mean they are among those in the new covenant. 

It has obviously served Satan’s purpose to deceive not only the world, but more importantly – God’s chosen ones. Satan has – as it describes in Thessalonians – empowered this man of lawlessness with “every lying sign” and every “unrighteous deception.” Starting with the First World War the Devil fabricated a false parousia of Christ in order to deceive the chosen ones into believing that the parousia has begun and the day of Jehovah is here. The question is how would that serve Satan’s purpose? 

It is interesting that in the ESV footnote reveals that the man of lawlessness who “sits down in the temple” also has a “parousia” that occurs before the arrival of Christ. It also brings out in the 8th verse of Thessalonians that Christ will destroy him by the “manifestation of his presence”. 

The second chapter of Thessalonians likewise reveals that this man of lawlessness promotes a false parousia, claiming the day of Jehovah has begun as a preliminary of Christ’s actual arrival. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4) 

The lawless one will eventually become the antichrist and as Satan works with powerful deceptions on his behalf through signs and wonders, lead people to believe the antichrist and this man of lawlessness are God. Those who believe this are  “those who are perishing because they did not love the truth”. 

So because they reject the truth, God sends them a strong delusion as part of his righteous judgement. Jehovah allows these to embrace the antichrist and the lawless one so that they advance to a whole new level of rebellion and are then condemned as allies of the antichrist at Christ’s parousia or presence – designed by Satan to deceive Jehovah’s chosen ones to stumble them and keep them from accepting the authentic parousia of Christ. 

Satan has his agent fixed within Christ’s congregation until such a time that Christ exposes him and Christ followers are told to flee when they see the sign of his coming and of the disgusting thing causing desolation standing “in a holy place.” 

Those who do not flee will be destroyed with the one “doomed to destruction.”

From examining these matters closely, there is no doubt that our lives and the lives of our brothers and sisters will hang in the balance. How important it is then – as our spiritual forefathers exhorted us: “do not quench the spirit, do not treat prophecy with contempt, but test them all; hold on to what is good reject every kind of evil”.                                                                                         

 

                                                                                                           

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  • I love the word because the word is truth and the truth is the true parousia of Christ is at hand.

    Psalm 96:13
    13 Before Jehovah, for he is coming,*He is coming to judge the earth.He will judge the inhabited earth* with righteousness+And the peoples with his faithfulness.+

  • Shikinah

    Sadly it will come in as a thief in the night upon the very ones declaring it. Judgement has begun as we see the Royal commission of Australia now involved in exposing the child abuse cases world wide, yet we still see no humility or repentance on the part of the Watchtower. The tower is falling and it’s only a matter of time.

    • all we can do is pray and try to spread an accurate knowledge to all who will listen.

      • Shikinah

        Thats true brother.

  • Shikinah

    I read this again, this is so wonderfully put together and easily understood, as the days draw nearer we can start to see these things manifest. Great article thank you.

  • Cocheta

    what a wonderful article, thank you.
    With regard to the paragraph stating that the man of lawlessness will himself promote a false parousia just before Christ arrives in his, it is very logical to assume that satan will indeed do that in order to deceive as many as possible.
    My question is therefore, how will the ‘ordinary’ JW recognise that it is indeed satan & not Jesus – for that matter how will we ourselves recognise it also & not assume out of relief that the GT has begun? No doubt satan will see to it that his own parousia will be every bit as amazing as the arrival of Christ.
    It shook me reading that & took me a few minutes to accept that it really will happen that way, in fact I am worried that the difference in ‘parousias’ will not be so great that we can make the most fatal mistake of our lives.
    I am assuming that one of the signs of the true parousia is that we will see the final sealing of the brothers of Christ, but how long before that happens after Jesus comes in his glory?

    Any answers/thoughts on that, anyone?

    Quote; It is interesting that in the ESV footnote reveals that the man of lawlessness who “sits down in the
    temple” also has a “parousia” that occurs before the arrival of Christ. It also brings out in the 8th verse of Thessalonians that Christ will destroy him by the “manifestation of his presence”.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Yes, this is a great revelation to me. I never knew this or considered it. I had though, like you, wondered how I would be able to tell the difference from the real and the evil manifestations at that time. The short answer is that I don’t know how I would. Those stubborn in their attitude will be easily deceived, because they feel safe in their position in the congregation. For us on the outside of the congregation in terms of our insight, ( such as it may be! ) it will be no different because the bible says but for the intervention of Jehovah, none would survive and even the holy ones would be decieved as well. What chance the common man or woman! Perhaps someone has an idea…..Robert?

      • Cocheta

        thinking aloud here, Burt……… the man of lawlessness is explained in this article, so I am going to read & compare the both with the cited Scriptures, might give us more of clue. I’m thinking that satan sets up the WTS to be some sort of ‘god’
        Be right back 🙂
        https://e-watchman.com/man-lawlessness-revealed/

        • L.H.

          I think you are right by saying Satan sets up the WTS to be some sort of ‘god’. So the true worshipers of Jehovah will come to the fore because they know their God. As JW’s we learned so much about idolarery. I ask myself: If Moses did not enter the promised land for not giving honour to Jehovah,and Jesus didn’t considaration to a seizure to be equal to God How can it be that the ” organisation=Jehovah??” In this sort of things we can see the influence of the man of lawlessness and it must be clear for true worshipers at some point to flee. Sometimes I worry too over the Jw’s who are still in the org. and unknowing of all the things that are going on. But Jesus asured us ;I know my sheep and my sheep know me. and: they dont follow the voice of a stranger.That together with recognizing we need Jesus’ sacrifice in spite of how much we did in service can save the lowly ones.Jehovah is looking for people to worship him in spirit and thruth. And we must believe there are many honest hearted peopel thet Jehovah is drawing close to him. That were just some thoughts I wanted to share

          • Arvid Fløysand

            reminds me of the episode with the idol calf of gold…why do Gods people always have to do the same mistake,,,this urge to make something visible to follow..

            • L.H.

              actually its digusting

            • Cocheta

              just the same as other religions, Arvid, Catholics have their rosaries & gold statues etc., why do they need something to look at in order to worship, as you ask.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            2 Thessalonians 2:
            3 Let no one lead you astray* in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
            4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-thessalonians/2/#v53002004

      • Bklyn Kevin

        The Apostasy Comes First.
        Excerpt:
        The account in Numbers foreshadows the ultimate separation of the faithful slave and the evil slaves at the coming of Christ. That is when the chosen ones will be distinguished from the evil ones. The appearance of Jehovah in glory signifies the glorious presence of Christ. Then the evil ones who are “despising authority, and speaking abusively of glorious ones” will become apparent. And the apostate man of lawlessness, who will by then have seated himself in the temple of God, will be exposed as a satanic fraud and destroyed.

        To be sure, while the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, as Paul stated, and has been exhibited in various ways, such as the Watchtower’s secret partnership with the United Nations, the apostasy that will come first will immediately precede the day of Jehovah. We may expect that to become manifest during the chaos to come.

        Then, those calling upon the name of Jehovah will be required to renounce the unrighteousness of the Watchtower and separate themselves from the doomed organization, which will become an outright opposer of the greater Moses during his authentic parousia.
        Read more> https://e-watchman.com/apostasy-comes-first/

        • Burt Reynolds

          Thanks Kevin.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The VISIBLE Presence of Jesus Christ. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/visible-presence-christ/

      Also read
      SIGN OF CHRIST’S PRESENCE Matthew 25:1-46 https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/25/#v40025031

      • Arvid Fløysand

        hello Kevin..i was just finished “eating”the first meal and here you tapping my shoulder and handing over two more delicious diches …yummy yummy..i love this oasis ..and again thank you my brother …wish i could wash your feet hehe

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Your funny you mad me laugh but nonetheless all Glory and thanks belongs to Jehovah.

          Revelation 4:
          11 “You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

          Revelation 7:
          11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God,

          12 saying: “Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength [be] to our God forever and ever. Amen.”

          • Arvid Fløysand

            Now you put a big smile on my face…because i expected you to reply like this..by doing so,you confirm that got the right spirit of a true brother..not to take credit but stay humble and give honor to Jehova whom it belongs to..:-)

      • Beverly kenyon

        Hiya Bklyn Kevin, it’s the nuisance again, bothering you, sorry, lol. But I can’t stop thinking about this thought. Won’t witnesses think that a World War 3 is the Great Tribulation and IS World War 3 the GT?? Ages ago someone here mentioned the tribulation and the Great Tribulation, like there’s two phases. Because there’s so much information to read here on EWatchman and to digest the information I’ve only skimmed over those points in my questions to you but those questions keep sitting in the back of my mind and I feel ready to try and understand them now. Sorry for eating into your time with my daft questions.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          The Coming of Christ or the Fall of Babylon the Great?.
          Excerpt:
          The Watchtower states that the great tribulation is just ahead. And as Jehovah’s Witnesses are told ad nauseam, the great tribulation will begin when the United Nations launches an attack on Babylon the Great —the system of false religion. That means that the UN must be preparing to carry out a global war directed against all religion. Otherwise, why ought we assume that the great tribulation is “just ahead”?
          Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/coming-christ-fall-babylon-great/

          Satan Keeps Transforming Himself into an Angel of Light.
          Excerpt:
          “WE AWAIT THE DESTRUCTION OF BABYLON THE GREAT”
          In the fourth paragraph the Watchtower states:

          “Today, we await the destruction of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. This will mark the beginning of the great day of Jehovah. Thankfully, we have an increased understanding of the outworking of Jehovah’s purpose.” Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/satan-keeps-transforming-himself-into-an-angel-of-light/

          After the Tribulation in Those Days.

          What is the great tribulation? According to the Watchtower the great tribulation will come about when the United Nations disposes of all the religions throughout the world.

          While there is no question that such a development would be earthshaking, is the destruction of Babylon the Great what Jesus was alluding to when he said “For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth. Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man”? Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/after-the-tribulation-in-those-days/

          A Great Tribulation. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/a-great-tribulation/

          • Beverly kenyon

            Once Again Bklyn Kevin, thank you for helping me out with my question, I also took note of DA’s point of there being two phases. I’ve read that article, the 7 Times of Nebuchadnezzar’s Madness and the maths bit was sending me into madness as I’m hopeless at maths but I got the gist of it especially how Zjehovah stays within his divine boundary of 7 when meting out justice so it could be fair to say that tribulation could be 7 years and with the latter half being the Great Tribulation lasting 3 1/2 years. Also mentioned was the Coming of Christ will coincide with the world erupting in war followed quickly by complete collapse of the political and economic system. So World War 3 is just that World War 3 and will be a tribulation for all of us but later comes GT. I’m also going to read the link you provided which leads to the article, How will the End Come for the Watchtower…can’t wait for that one! Bklyn Kevin, there’s no way I could’ve come up with the information you provided to help me with my answer….much appreciation.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Except From The meaning of the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar’s madness?.
          So, the seven times may apply to the period of judgment that will commence in the aftermath of the fall of the leading nation of the world. It may be that the seven times are a literal seven years or simply a symbolic period. Time will tell. (No pun intended.)

          But, we may be certain that during that period all people will be forced to know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind. End except.

          I personally think the Tribulation refers to a full seven year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second half of the Tribulation witch is three and one half years.
          Read more https://e-watchman.com/the-sev

        • DA

          knowing that the tribulation starts before the holy ones are sealed then cut short as the angels hold the winds they release after…

          see the two phases?

    • Tabitha

      Cocheta, I was thinking the false parousia referred to in the footnote was the one the WT has been teaching started in 1914, but are you saying you understand there to be another one, just prior to Christ’s arrival?

      • Cocheta

        It seems logical & according to the quote very probable, Tabitha. If we try looking at satans actions we realise that he knows far more than we do, although not the actual date obviously, he already provided 1914 with the wars & the ‘signs’ that the WTS have latched onto erroneously, but he must know from the amount of people who have been stumbled out of JWs because of that that he needs something far more powerful (maybe to get them & others back inside the WTS so he can take more down with him).
        He knows the Bible back to front & knows there is to be a second coming of Christ so he has to pull the ‘final trick’.
        What better than to use the GB of the Org to be ‘chosen’ as the ones to welcome ‘Christ’ back into their arms?
        Then the WTS will be destroyed but will later be reformed, as per an article by Bro Robert, & brought back by & in ‘partnership’ with the UN, only to be rubbed out again – is this the meaning of the 8th verse of Thessalonians that Christ will destroy him by the “manifestation of his presence”?
        By then, many will have shown their true colours whether goat-like or sheep-like & it will be too late, but satan will have achieved much of his plan.

        I want to read the articles from DA & Bklyn Kevin so I get a deeper understanding of it all. I just love the intrigue of it all & the fact that it has all been likened to a court case between Jehovah & His adversary & I want to make a very strong stand for Jehovah because He has the rights to everything & I hate the way He has been libeled, slandered & slapped & spit in His face all these thousands of years!

        Sorry if it has been a silly question, but my brain was trained to look at every nuance & dissect it all, I trained originally in Business Law & can’t shake the habit.

        • Tabitha

          Thanks for that Cocheta! Lots more reading for me to do then! It’s all so intriguing, watching and wondering what will happen next and how it will all take place, very momentous times indeed. I just hope it’s clear to me whether to turn left or right when the time comes. Jehovah is the only one who is truly deserving of our worship, so I hope it’s not too easy to be deceived by Satan like Eve was!

          • Cocheta

            I think that, as long as we are blessed to be learning here we really make the effort to absorb what Bro Robert teaches us & indeed the others of our brothers here with their wonderful advices & insights, we will know which way to turn at the appropriate time Tabitha. At least I pray that way to Jehovah every night for all of us here not to make a wrong decision.
            Great to see you here btw again & I hope you & your family are doing well & staying strong. xoxoxo agape sister.

    • DA

      Cocheta, have you read the antichrist is coming article?

    • what paragrah are you refering to?

      “The second chapter of Thessalonians likewise reveals that this man of lawlessness promotes a false parousia, claiming the day of Jehovah has begun as a preliminary of Christ’s actual arrival. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)”

      ‘how will the ‘ordinary’ JW recognise that it is indeed satan & not Jesus…?’

      he (man of lawlessness) has already been promoting it (parousia) and youve been able to tell the difference already.
      havent you? thats the point of e-Watchman. the lawless one says he came in 1914 invisibly but that is not what scripture teaches. Christ will be visible.

      Luke mite mean something – 2:8-15

      if Satan appears visible or something in the future then i dont know much about that other then it will obviously just be another lie (like the moving star) that Jesus will remove himself by his “manifestation of his presence.”

  • DA

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75fd104a24e236ef2f5540ecda4baf75c44892d92e7f53d289e85b9e52c80720.jpg

    not to be mistaken that they are scattered only starting after the four winds released

    order: scattering – parousia/sealing – for winds
    (if im not mistaken myself)

    Jehovah’s people happen to be earth wide (whole earth “four corners”) and so obviously scattered earth wide just as the phrase “four winds” indicates will effect all the earth where his people also happen to be stumbled/scatteted by the initial phase of the tribulation; the house being judged and the angels cutting it short untill they release the winds over all the earth where Jehovah people happen to be

    blah that was a hard one to type

    ““Hey there! Hey there! Flee, then, YOU people, from the land of the north,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
    “For in the direction of the four winds of the heavens I have spread YOU people abroad,” is the utterance of Jehovah.”

    • DA

      my thoughts have been that given the fact that the four winds are held by the angels which is understood to correspond cutting short the tribulation for the holy ones to be sealed, perhaps that indicates or it could be said/recognized that the four winds did start at the begining of the tribulation only to then later be heald back.

      (having LW in mind)

      • i was right. confirmation – “And then he will send forth the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity.” that scripture was brought to my attention after going over https://e-watchman.com/will-christianity-survive-the-end-of-the-world/ again.

        “It is evident, therefore, that the when the angels”gather his chosen ones together from the four winds”they will be harvested by their being put to death in the flesh as a result of the angels letting go their restraint on the “four winds” of demonic persecution. This is what is symbolized in Isaiah as the hard blast “in the day of the east wind.”Thus, “in the twinkling of an eye” the slaughtered sons of Jacob are gathered to Jehovah’s side in preparation for the crushing of the Devil’s world out of existence.”

        responce to @LW

        so there is a break in between the four winds that do begin day 1

        • The Raven

          I didn’t know this. Interesting detail on the four winds.

  • Noe Namely

    I have only just now found this article after B……Kevin suggested I might find it useful. This one will keep me awake at night…..I admit, I feel lost & don’t understand much of it… Sounds like time is running out!

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