“We ate and drank in your presence…”

//“We ate and drank in your presence…”

Friday, November 18

I do not know you.Matt. 25:12.

In the parable of the ten virgins, was Jesus saying that many of his anointed servants would prove unfaithful and need to be replaced? No. Remember, he had just warned his “faithful and discreet slave” never to turn into an evil slave. That did not mean that he expected such an outcome. Similarly, this parable conveys a powerful warning. Just as five virgins were foolish and five were discreet, each anointed one has the full capacity to choose either a course of preparedness and vigilance or a course of folly and unfaithfulness. The apostle Paul was inspired to make a similar point when addressing his anointed fellow Christians. Note that Paul’s warning was very firm, but he followed it up with a loving expression of his confidence that “better things” lay ahead of his Christian brothers and sisters. Christ knows that each of his anointed servants can remain faithful and receive the thrilling reward!


If we were to epitomize the Watchtower’s take on prophecy —Jesus’ illustrations included —it might best be summed up by the attitude of the Jews in Jeremiah’s day, who kept saying of Jehovah: “He will do nothing. No calamity will come upon us; we will not see sword or famine.” —Jeremiah 5:12

Who can deny that the Watchtower has placed itself as the antitypical city of refuge, having already received God’s approval since Christ came to judge the house of God back in 1914? The symbolic sword or war, along with famine and pestilence are history too.

Having effectively nullified Jehovah’s judgments by their clever interpretations of prophecy, it is as if the leadership of the organization say that Jehovah will do nothing —not to them anyway. Jehovah’s Witnesses will not see the hardship of war and famine in the future, surely not as the fulfillment of Christ’s prophecy regarding nation rising against nation. That is all history. All that remains is for the beast to destroy the harlot. That’s it. Then it is on to glory!

As for those Jews who were cocksure that God would do nothing, Jehovah said of them: “The prophets are full of wind, and the word is not in them. Let this happen to them!”

The Watchtower’s “prophets” are full of wind too. As an example of their vaporous proclamations, consider, that, up until 2013 the Watchtower taught that the wise and foolish virgins parted ways in 1919. The foolish virgins and the evil slave were the rather large contingent of Bible Students who refused to follow Rutherford after he took over the presidency from the deceased Pastor Russell. Just how the Bible Students may have been made to weep and gnash their teeth was never explained. No matter, because a few years ago all that was scrapped.

In the parable, there is a distinct interval between the shout, “Here is the bridegroom!” and the actual coming, or arrival, of the bridegroom . Throughout the last days, vigilant anointed ones have discerned the sign of Jesus’ presence. They thus know that he is “here”—ruling in Kingdom power. They face the challenge of enduring until his coming, or arrival. – w15 3/15 p. 16

 Now the Watchtower teaches that the parable has a future fulfillment, sort of. Supposedly, the exclamation – “Here is the bridegroom, go out to meet him!” – was sounded in 1914, and over the course of the past 100 years successive generations of anointed persons have gone out to meet him only to die of old age waiting for the bridegroom to actually show up. Except according to the last revision the foolish virgins have been interpreted to symbolize a mere hypothetical, essentially non-existent group, who do not have a real-life counterpart. There shall be no weeping and gnashing of teeth; no one shut out of the Kingdom because of their foolish reliance on the oil sellers. The implication of the Governing Body’s latest twist is that all are assumed to be wise virgins, thereby nullifying Jesus’ illustrations.

Surely, Bethel’s prophets are full of hot air. They do not understand the judgment of Jehovah, even as is stated in Jeremiah: “Even the stork in the sky knows its seasons; the turtledove and the swift and the thrush keep to the time of their return. But my own people do not understand the judgment of Jehovah. How can you say: “We are wise, and we have the law of Jehovah”? For in fact, the lying stylus of the scribes has been used only for falsehood. The wise have been put to shame. They have become terrified and will be caught. Look! They have rejected the word of Jehovah, and what wisdom do they have?” —Jeremiah 8:7-9

Interestingly, there are approximately 15,000 public partakers associated with Jehovah’s Witnesses. According to the sacred pronouncements of God a remnant of 7,000 will be on hand for the final sealing. That is roughly half of the present number. So, in answer to the question posed in the daily text — “Was Jesus saying that many of his anointed servants would prove unfaithful and need to be replaced?” —the answer, is no. The foolish virgins will not need to be replaced. In his wisdom God called many, but relatively few are ultimately chosen.

thrown-outWhen asked by a man if those being saved are few, Jesus responded with an illustration that evokes the same imagery as the parable of the bridegroom locking the door to the wedding feast —locking out the foolish virgins. Far from being a mere warning of “what-if,” Jesus indicated that the final judgment will result in some being “thrown outside.” Surely, if some are thrown outside, that means that prior to their eviction they are on the inside.

“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. When the householder gets up and locks the door, you will stand outside knocking at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to you: ‘I do not know where you are from.’ Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our main streets.’ But he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness!’ There is where your weeping and the gnashing of your teeth will be, when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown outside.”

Take note that those locked out claim to have “ate and drank in your presence.” Although the same Greek word is used Jesus is not speaking of his parousia; however, it cannot be coincidental that the princes of Bethel boast of enjoying a spiritual feast due to their being insiders to Christ’s invisible presence. Too bad for them, the commencement of the actual parousia will result in many being thrown outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be —outside the Kingdom of God.


2017-03-18T11:57:52+00:00 November 18th, 2016|Commentary|24 Comments
  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Oh oh what a article. I think if the bethel see the last sentence Too bad for them, the commencement of the actual parousia will result in many being thrown outside. I think so they will not see this website once again because they are not ready to accept the reality.

  • LW

    I find these comments in the very same article most interesting:

    So, then, before the great tribulation starts, all the faithful anointed on earth will have received their final sealing. (Rev. 7:1-4) From then on, their calling is sure. But think about the years before the tribulation begins. What would happen to anointed ones who failed to remain watchful, who lost their integrity? They would lose their heavenly reward. Obviously, they would receive no final sealing prior to the start of the tribulation. By that time, other faithful ones would be anointed. When the tribulation starts, the foolish ones might be shocked to see the destruction of Babylon the Great. It may be only at that point that they realize that they are not ready for the arrival of the Bridegroom. At that late hour, if they in desperation ask for help, what would happen? Jesus’ parable gives us the grim answer. The discreet virgins refused to give up their oil for the sake of the foolish, telling them to go instead to the sellers of oil. Remember, though, it was “in the middle of the night.” Would they be able to find sellers of oil at that hour? No. It would simply be too late.

    Likewise, during the great tribulation, faithful anointed ones cannot help any who had turned unfaithful. There will be no help available. It will simply be too late. What end, then, will such ones face? Jesus explains what happened when the foolish virgins went off on their futile errand: “The bridegroom came. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.” When Christ comes in his glory near the end of the tribulation, he will gather his faithful anointed ones to heaven. (Matt. 24:31; 25:10; John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 4:17) The door will, indeed, be shut to the unfaithful ones, who prove to be like the foolish virgins. They may, in effect, cry out: “Sir, Sir, open to us!” But they receive an answer like the one that so many goatlike ones receive in that hour of judgment: “I tell you the truth, I do not know you.” How sad!—Matt. 7:21-23; 25:11, 12.

    You can tell from the comments that it is clear that not all will be faithful, but it’s almost like it’s being suggested essentially all anointed ones will be faithful anyway. ‘oh of course it’ll be only a few here and there that lose their heavenly reward…’

    • DA

      rather think about during the grate tribulation those called still alive when the Master arrives to seal them by saying ‘good and faithful slave.. enter into the joy…’ but those even during the great hour of test who fail to be faithful and master Jesus removes them as weeds. what scripture ever said all are sealed before the grate tribulation? obviously if the return of our Master is adjusted by the WT now to be understood in the future, whitch it is, then those called living during that time who remain faithful will be sealed anointed then when that time comes. has he come yet? no. then not all will be anointed untill then, duh.

      there will be seven thousand remaining Ones on earth at the time of Jehovah’s grate day. so although there can be an anointing before the trubulations, not all are actually sealed because there is a time in the near future durung the tribulations when Jesus chooses them as his faithful slave.

      if i havent mistaken

      • LW

        The scripture about being sealed before the GT?

        “And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” – Revelation 7:2,3

        • DA

          thats the four winds after the cutting short at the five months if i remember correctly. we just went over that not to long ago. cant remember how Robert worded it too.

          i need to refresh my brain :p good reminder there hummm, need to look that up again man

        • Bklyn Kevin

          After the Tribulation in Those Days.
          In view the fact that Jesus said the tribulation would be cut short on account of the chosen ones, otherwise no flesh would be saved, indicates that the tribulation is an existential crisis for all humanity, not merely the destruction of false religion.

          What does it mean that the tribulation is cut short?

          That the tribulation does not immediately lead into Armageddon is evident from the fact that Jesus referred to events occurring “immediately after the tribulation in those days.” Its being cut short means that the nations will be allowed to recover momentarily. That is what is symbolized by the beast crawling out of the abyss, by the mortally wounded head that miraculously revives. In the aftermath of the tribulation Revelation depicts the angels holding back the four winds of destruction. Why? In order that the sealing of the chosen ones may be finished. Jesus indicated as much when he said after the tribulation the great trumpet will sound and the chosen ones will be gathered.

          It is at that point in Revelation chapter seven that we are introduced to the 144,000 and the great crowd who come out of the tribulation. That is what Jesus meant when he said “on account of the chosen ones,” so that they may be sealed. That the great crowd comes out of the tribulation means that from that point on salvation for anyone on the outside is impossible. That is where the weeping and gnashing of their teeth will be.

          It is after their sealing that the chosen ones are impelled to embark upon the final witness, portrayed in Revelation by John receiving the little scroll and being told by Christ to “prophesy again about peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”
          Read more> https://e-watchman.com/after-the-tribulation-in-those-days/

  • Burt Reynolds

    That’s an interesting title scripture,….’we ate and drank in your presence…’. The full verse reads…’we ate and drank in your presence, built ourselves luxury apartments, traveled first class and had expensive motor cars, were waited on at table and had full health insurance and never wanted, lied to the flock and stumbled many.’ (Book of Burt. Ch7:v7).

  • DA

    seems to me, to some degree, the Watchtower makes it look as though Jesus posted warning sings, signs with lengthy illustrations, that are for something that could never really happen, just to waste time in defeating the purpose of what a warning is for. they say the possibilty isnt really there and it will never happen to us becacue Jesus doesnt ‘expect such an outcome’. but the amount of anointed servants would prove unfaithful Jesus expects concerning such bad outcomes is not the focus of his parables but he expects his servents to understand the very possibility of becoming wicked and to heed his ‘powerful warnings’ by knowing that such outcomes are possible and what punishment they should expect so that they can avoid many strokes and avoid being thrown out to weep and gnash their teeth

  • DA

    i hate when the elders reply back saying IF. when discussing “if ever that slave”. as if IF means not possible when in fact the point Jesus made saying IF is to point out that there is a possibilty, otherwise why bother.

    but maybe i just dont read their responce correctly, idk

  • DA

    hehe, i commented about the 7,000 before finishing reading that in the articel :p one of my cylinders must still be fireing right

  • DA

    you’ll notice Matt 8:12 calls the Ones thrown outside into the darkness “the sons of the Kingdom”

  • Ill Will

    you know whats funny?? the Parousia has begun. Lets take Rev 12 for example. Considering that the first few versus outlay the summary of Jesus’ life and death, what would delay Jesus from kicking Satan out of Heaven? In 33 C.E. He rouse into heaven and offered his blood once for all time. Again, what would prevent him from waging war immediately after that. “A thousand years is as one day “in the eyes of God. So would you say that Michael waged war with Jesus in 100 A.D. to 700 A.D.?? or ??? Nevertheless, the Parousia has occurred along time ago and yes, your buggin.

    • DA

      the parousia hasnt begun otherwise the wait for his return was over and nothing to wait for. the parousia is what we’r keeping on the watch for. it is Christ’s return.


    • Cocheta

      I’m confused, where does it say that Michael waged war with Jesus in the Scriptures please?
      Also, what does “your buggin” mean? His buggin what?

      • Ill Will

        my bad.. a sort of mystype (im bugging myself). I meant to say that “Jesus aka Michael, waged war with Satan” … “your bugging” means .. he’s delirious .bro

        • Burt Reynolds

          Delirious? Who is delirious, Christ or Satan? And why are you bad? Is this a medical or spiritual affliction? Please excuse me whilst I get on down.

          • Cocheta

            No, Burt, you are misunderstanding….very difficult to understand at times this ‘Murikan language

            I do believe it is Will that must be delirious, after all, he does say he is ill in his user name. I hope it’s nothing serious, some bad viruses can go round this time of year in cold climates.

            Btw, did he just call me ‘bro’ in his last comment? ‘Scuse me, must go off to shave >>>>>>>>>

            • Burt Reynolds

              Oh I see! Ive been trying to get to grips with his vernacular and consulting my book on American slang….no really, I have one….and going from Rastafarian to street jive, but without success. I don’t know the Murikan language…is it some form of Rap? If you are going for a shave brother, I can recommend the old cut-throat razor with a good lathering of shaving soap, followed up by a perfumed astringent to close the pores. (Paws, pours, pause). Then when finished, pass on to Robert. I am writing to the governing body to ask if cowls as well as beards are banned. I think Roberts watchman picture need updating to a picture of a C.I.A man in dark glasses with binoculars and radio earpiece (like Clinton) and of course clean shaven, watching out from the top of the new watchtower palace.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Awww, Sorry III Will, I’ve only just noticed you’ve explained what ‘you’re buggin’ means. I’ve just got in from work and jumped on Ewatchman to answer your post without checking first. Wow, Will you’ve Burt getting down (hope he hasn’t got his platform shoes on from the seventies…he could put is back out) and Cocheta has gone to have a shave!! Eh! Lol.

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