When will the lies end?

//When will the lies end?

Sunday, December 11

The Kingdom of the heavens is like a dragnet let down into the sea and gathering fish of every kind.Matt. 13:47.

Jesus likened the preaching of the Kingdom message to all mankind to the lowering of a large dragnet into the sea. Just as such a net indiscriminately catches large numbers of “fish of every kind,” our preaching work attracts millions of people of all kinds. Not all those attracted to the truth will take a stand for Jehovah. Many have associated with us at our meetings. Others have been willing to study the Bible with us but are not willing to make a commitment. Still others are no longer associating with the Christian congregation. Some youths have been raised by Christian parents and yet have not developed a love for Jehovah’s standards. No matter what the situation, Jesus emphasized that everyone needs to make a personal decision. Those who do are viewed by him as “the precious,” or “desirable,” things “of all the nations.”

COMMENTARY

The thing about telling a lie is, you have to keep lying and telling more and more lies to support the original lie —or else it all comes undone. That is the mess the Watchtower is in now.

Take today’s text as an example. The original lie is that Christ returned in 1914, that he has been ruling the world over the past 100+ years. That is supposedly when the harvest and the conclusion of the system began. There are literally dozens of other falsehoods attached to that, like today’s text.

Although it is not explicit in the text itself, the WT article from where it was extracted clearly implies that the angels are actively removing “unsuitable” persons from association in the organization. (See article: Are the Angels Killing Off Your Bible Students?) And the reason they are compelled to peddle this blasphemous tripe is because Jesus said that the dragnet comes into play during the conclusion. So, in other words, over the past century the angels have been casting and recasting the symbolic dragnet over and over again, and hauling net load after net load up onto the beach, where they then discard the unsuitable fishes from the suitable ones. And then the unsuitable ones are thrown into the fire, generation after generation, where they experience much weeping and gnashing of teeth, somehow.

Frankly, it is astounding to me that Jehovah’s Witnesses put up with being fed this swill. Is there anyone out there who has the will to use their powers of discernment? Do you really believe that Jesus Christ has dispatched his powerful angels with orders to remove persons from attending congregational meetings or cut them off from having a free home Bible study? When a young person goes off into the world is it really because the angels have debarred them from the organization? That is what the Watchtower is implying. The question is, why do you put up with it?

According to Jesus’ illustration of the sower and the seed it is Satan who snatches the seed of truth sown among those who fail to get the sense of it.  Everything in the epistles reveals that Satan is seeking to entrap and mislead us from Jehovah and Christ. Is it really true that the angels are working in concert with the demons to prevent us from associating with Christians?

And if the angels are involved in tossing away the unsuitables we might naturally wonder why they would get rid of merely spiritually weak persons and hormone-charged teenagers and leave behind cunning child predators.

Ironically, the Watchtower article upon which the text is based is entitled: Do You Grasp the Meaning? Obviously, the Governing Body does not. 

The good news is, the Watchtower’s lies and blasphemy will come to a sudden and most inglorious end. It will end when Christ sends forth his angels and they uproot the weeds that have taken root among us. That is when the whitewashed wall will crumble and fall and the stupid prophets will be no more.

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2017-03-18T11:52:25+00:00 December 11th, 2016|Commentary|121 Comments
  • Song of Hannah

    Why do I put up with it? I guess the same reason the faithful Jews put up with the Pharisees. Although they had hijacked God’s household, Jesus told his followers to be obedient to them until he returned. I think I actually learned this from your writings. ❤️?

    • ewatchman

      Good answer ;~)

    • J.M.J.

      A excellent answer . Hopefully soon to be done .

    • Burt Reynolds

      What then does it mean for us, to be obedient to them?

      • Song of Hannah

        Good and hard question Burt! I gain clarity on this by mediating on Matt 23 along with 1 Cor 8 & 10.

        • Burt Reynolds

          I read it again. Do as they tell you, but not according to their deeds. So, what are their deeds?. The lie is their primary deed, the way they treat the organisation, stumble the brothers, allow children to be abused. Clearly we don’t do according to their deeds. And these deeds infest the entire working of the watchtower and its teaching, bar the basics. So what do they tell us to do. Preach the word, gather ourselves together, love one another, DONATE !!!
          Yes, it is difficult because we have all of the latter part here, bar the donate at the end of every article. The truth, the gathering, the love and the preaching work. It’s almost like a mirror of what was intended. If the temple is the heart. Would we have it all? I guess there is more work yet to be done in the watchtower basement for us….in one way or another…..still not decided !

          • Searcher

            I suppose Burt we should not confuse the temple or God’s Household with the man of lawlessness. His behaviour should be of no surprise to us or even a cause of stumbling when we all fully grasp the apostle Paul’s words:

            “Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.”

            Jesus was ready to condemn the religious leaders but felt great pity for the lost sheep, who among Jehovah’s people are lost at the moment, the majority. All those who love truth will be among those show Jehovah’s mercy too.

            “When He saw the crowds, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd”.

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            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, that is a very good point, searcher, I shall remember that. A great help.

      • DA

        “do as they say but not as they do”
        “as far as it depends on you, be peaceable to one another”
        “we must obey God rather then men”

        • my thoughts exactly brother we should all act on the basis of Jehovah’s undeserved love kindness and mercy.

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      Logical comment and that’s correct

  • Srecko Sostar

    “Some youths, all mankind, fish of every kind, people of all kind …. yet have not developed a love for Jehovah’s standards.” Such statement in this WT daily text containing a known GB arrogance, exclusivity, class division and similar. Because WTJWorg leaders mixed their own corporate standards with some Bible standards. In that way presented moral and religious guidance masking real situation real issue; the balance of power between the divine and human in a “some kind of” religious organization.

    • e.v.g

      I think the gb are in the same condition, they have not developed a love for Jehovah’s standards.

      • Srecko Sostar

        hehe, yes, but they developing love for “honorable positions”, first places at tables, admiration of the people … an so.

    • Yes, this sentence shocked me. How can one claim that someone has no love for Jehovah, simply because he does not follow the directives of the Watchtower? Then, all of us who follow this site have no love for Jehovah, according to the criteria of the Society. Before I knew Robert, I was studying a few minutes from time to time. When I wanted to know something, I was opening a publication and accepted all that was wrote. Since then, two years ago, I read the Bible and study several hours per day. Yes, per day, as soon as I have a moment. I learned more about the Bible in 2 years than in 50 years. Yet in my entourage, when someone wanted to have an answer on a biblical subject, he was coming to me, because I was considered a person with solid biblical knowledge; even elders! How many Jehovah’s Witnesses really study the Bible? The Bible, not the publications of the Society. And I have learned to love Jehovah; whereas before I was expecting to live in the new world, now I wait for the victory of Jehovah over his opponent, because he deserves it. Life in paradise has become secondary; I want the Name of Jehovah to be sanctified and his sovereignty proclaimed.

      • I would like to make a clarification on my comment. Of course, the Society encourages the study of the Bible. I would not want that while reading my message, someone may think otherwise. The difference is that the study is done according to the point of view of the Society, and we try to adapt the Bible to the explanations of the Watchtower. This is where the problem is. If you have some personal ideas, they tell you that you must study more in order to understand things according to the Bethel’s point of view.

      • Srecko Sostar

        Very well said Baruq. Jw members are in position that, because of false feeling of earthly “spiritual paradise” and security inside WTJWorg, forgetting that “spiritual warfare” are not (only) with “worldly world, people”, but that they are in more dangerous situation for a reason that they are living inside one system, machine (not only with religious shapes, but also with all other characteristic, parts; trade, politic, education …) that feeding themselves with power over all those people who obeys them without question.

      • Rynda

        It was just this kind of Watchtower arrogance that led me to my inactivity. Nothing I did was ever good enough and what I did do was not enough! The constant admonishment to “do more, do more, do more” when I was already doing all that I could, and then being told that, “Well, now that you’re alone, you should be able to pioneer” (I worked full time as a pre-school teacher. If you’ve ever worked with pre-schoolers, you know that is NOT an easy job. I had a class of 25 with 2 assistants, sometimes we had a couple of parents who volunteered a few hours a week) So in addition to actually being in the classroom with the children, I was responsible for a weekly lesson plan, parent meetings, staff meetings, daily planning. Add in the reading, studying and preparing for meetings, going out in field service, and finally the emotional heartache of a divorce after 17 years, I was an emotional, physical and spiritual wreak! Since then, I’ve retired, remarried, moved to another state (Originally from California) however, now, I find myself leery of being a part of any congregation, and often ‘visit’ as an ‘interested person’. I don’t want to subject myself to the pressure especially since my husband is sickly and at any given time he might need to get to the doctor or possibly even hospitalized. On the one hand, I don’t have the social/emotional support of a faith family, but I also don’t have the constant urging of do more, do more and do more which I have overheard in conversations while ‘visiting’ various Kingdom Halls. On a lighter note…I am soooooooooooo enjoying this site, I am leaning so very much, and I’ve discovered that many things I’d wondered about and thought about were actually right. Thank you so much to Bro. Robert King for all the hard work and research and thought that goes into creating and maintaining a site like this. Agape and Shalom!

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          Well I hear you Sister. Sister you use lot of Hebrew word may I know the reason? Were you lived in Israel? or are you a Jew? I just want to know there in nothing more. I am not like GB of WTS.

          • Rynda

            Good Morning my Brother. No I am not Jewish, nor have I ever lived in Israel/Yisrael. What I have done is studied closely the Hebraic Roots Movement. I have learned a great deal from my studies, however I also realize that the Torah/Law was given to the physical nation of ancient Israel at Mt. Sinai and is not binding on Christians today as we are under the New and Better Covenant, the law of the Christ. Have a wonderful day my Brother. Shalom! 🙂

  • Bobby 6343

    Is there anyone out there who has the will to use their powers of discernment? Yes there is, and those persons are the ones on this site!

    I have had many conversations using my “powers of discernment” with others thanks to this site, but as stated ” it is Satan who snatches the seed of truth sown among those who fail to get the sense of it.”

    Only those outside of the congregation (Jesus, bible studies) that do not know the 1914 doctrine understand that the “day of Jehovah” is future. The ones inside are block by the “wall of LIES”!

    As “song of Hannah” says; We put up with it because Jesus put of with it.

    The truth is so refreshing!

    • Jamie Mac

      Bobby, well put. Our creator is indeed very patient with us.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Another question should be asked .
    Why has the wreckage to so many people who no longer attend christian meetings fallen under wheels of the watchtowers lies then for doing so your considered spiritualy weak and not of our sort. My wholelife ive sat and listened to what they call truth only to see it over turned numerous times, Im reminded everytime i see the older ones who are almost in the grave that where lied to with the hog wash that the the New World was right here, NOT!

    • Kevin b

      For years I’ve thought negatively of the ones who left the truth. Thinking that they must not love Jehovah. The more I learn the more I realize that they were more than likely just tired of the dealing with the lies of the organization. The organization is a huge stumbling block. I no longer judge people or look down on anyone, that’s not my job. We just need to be an encouragement to everyone, whether they attend the meetings or not.

      Lu 6:37 “Moreover, stop judging, and you will by no means be judged; and stop condemning, and you will by no means be condemned. Keep on forgiving, and you will be forgiven.

      Joh 7:24 Stop judging by the outward appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

      • Southern ShaSha

        Dear Kevin, I fully understand any active witness within the org. having such feelings. It does seem to look to others as a failure on our part as to serving JEHOVAH. But never felt I personally left the Truth or lacked love, honor and praise toward JEHOVAH or CHRIST Jesus. Until this point, finding this site of Roberts I felt failure. But realized it is important, most important to put JEHOVAH and the Truths found in the scriptures above any action we may take, or not, regarding whatever problems each of us face within the organization. I have never stopped proclaiming Gods glorious Kingdom to others, always recognizing the command to help all willing to listen. Just as I said to you yesterday, my admiration to those strong enough to overcome what otherwise has become a stumbling block for many is a quality I hope to be able to accomplish. Ever hoping to live my life in such away that JEHOVAH finds enough good, to help guide me to let go of all that is displeasing in His eyes, to place me wherever He so desires. He knows our hearts and struggles, as the scriptures state, if we Ask according to His Will, he will provide the help we all need to gain His favor!! I suppose our greatest failure, is when we quit asking HIM, asking Him for guidance, and to please forgive us.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Last night after reading that Awake post of Kevin b’s and quietly struggling going to the mind numbing meetings, I prayed to Jehovah concerning how conflicted I was feeling…I told him I was having a hard time coping with going back,nreally struggling…I honestly do not want to be in that environment. So today I sat there listening to a talk given by the very elder who I studied with, a talk about 1914 and how Jesus has been ruling since then. Meeting finished I was having a little chat about a potential study to my loyal witness friend who then informed me how I was ‘reported’ to the elders for saying I didn’t believe in 1914 and the problems in the organisation was due to the Man of Lawlessness and the wheat and weeds growing together, she said she spoke up for me and they (elders) said they wouldn’t speak to me as I’m obviously spiritually weak and am I having a bible study!?!? I was reported by 2 so called ‘sisters’ who couldn’t have nicer to me to my face and one who had had left for 5 years due to hurt feelings totally agreed with me about the wheat and the weeds and I remembered thinking, is she a secret diciple. So yes, Revv zone, you say in all honesty you won’t study the material at the Thursday meeting due to conscience but now I’m spiritually weak and I’m viewed as some sort of spiritual terrorist in the congregation. Am I not allowed to have a different opinion? Have I had a lobotomy that I’m not allowed to think or question? Am I not afforded that luxury? Am I living in the Inquisition?

  • Shelley.

    Others have been willing to study the Bible with us but are not willing to commit.This statement brings me to tears.They have no idea of the internal turmoil some of us deal with.They put so much pressure on Bible students to follow a ridged program.At first your welcome with open arms but if your not a publisher in a certain time frame or attending all the meetings,or talking about baptism they cool off fast.If you haven’t made all the changes in your life that are required you are made to feel unworthy.Satan throws enough hurtles at us for us to overcome.I was told Jehovah will not hear or answer my prayers because I have not quit smoking yet.I am no longer able to pray to Jehovah as I feel so unworthy.
    I have often heard negative comments made about ones that have been studying for 3 and 4 years being a waste of time.One of these people finally quit smoking and recently became an unbaptized publisher and now hes so wonderful but not long ago he was a waste of time.
    As for myself I have no issue with committing to Jehovah but committing to this org is another thing.I am struggling with smoking and I am trying to quit and I will succeed.I have met some beautiful people but the majority are not.I have been studying for 14 months and when I walk into the Kingdom Hall I feel so out of place and uncomfortable,almost ashamed.Warm brotherly love as long as your progressing according the orgs timeframe.

    • Bobby 6343

      Even when you do make a decision to quit, the urge to smoke is overwhelming. I too was a smoker, and I quit “cold turkey”. That was over 40 years ago. I quit not because of the bible study I had at the time, but because I wanted to take control of my life and not allow that “little” white stick to control me any longer.

      But the urge was something I was not prepare for. I struggle for over 4 years constantly fighting and resisting. If you think I did not pray for help from Jehovah, I did. Every time I wanted to smoke I prayed and prayed and did not let up until the “urge” past away, without going out and buying tobacco products.

      The only reason I did not and will not return to smoking it because I know very deep down inside I truly trusted in my God to help me over come my struggle. And he did not fail me….

      Furthermore “the internal turmoil” that you need to overcome is base only on making a decisive decision, base on the truth that you really know.

      Rev. 3:15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or else hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth.

      Well which is it? Hot? or Cold? Don’t wait to be vomit out! Hot or cold is base on a decisive personal decision! Don’t feel left out, you, we, all of us have many issues to battle daily, smoking is only one of the many.

      Once you do quit, the peace of God will overwhelm you.

      We all continue to struggle from the past, in the present and in the future.

      We are with you!

    • sally

      Hi Shelly that text made my heart bleed as well. So those of us studying, if we do not conform to their rigid timetable are actually being weeded out by angels? I as you know are in the same position as you, and the pressure to get baptised is on. I had no idea when I started studying it was going to turn so ugly. I am still smoking to, I am not proud of it and I have every intention of quitting. I am the same I feel guilty praying to Jehovah as I know that with that and my lack of conforming to the schedule set out for me, I am no longer considered in the same way I was a few months ago by the congregation. But I pray to Jehovah still, I say sorry, beg for forgiveness and his patience and please keep giving me the truth by any means and anyhow and I will get there. That’s all we can really do.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Sally, what is happening to you and Shelley, is the unfair pressure of men, not some sort of curse from Jehovah, for not quitting the evil weed. I used to smoke, and I think I smoked on and off my entire decades in the JWs. I felt guilty too. Look at the bible examples. Murder has been forgiven at a cost. Adultery, prostitution, idolatry, and so on. What was the thief doing being executed with Christ? He was forgiven, still a thief, but a repentant one. No time to change and turn around and do good deeds. Just forgiven, there and then. No preaching, no baptism, no knowledge of the rules and regulations of the temple. Just forgiven. ‘You will be with me in paradise’.

        Okay, so you smoke. What does that make you? Evil? No. You are a self harmer. Addicted. Well, what about the overweight who eat for comfort, the same as you may smoke for relief. What about the adrenaline junkies who go BASE jumping, far more likely to die. The mentally ill that abuse themselves in other ways, the sane, who scheme for pleasure. Which sin is worse? Who knows? So then, at what point does self harm cross the line from deliberate intention to an incapacity to control? Is each and every person given the power of self control to extricate themselves or is self control pro rata with ability for each one of us? Whether it is eating, drinking, undue risks, temper, (blood pressure) depravity, smoking, selling tobacco, all are wrong. Why is the obese not stopped from being baptised yet the smoker is? If this is so heinous, why did Jehovah bother to show you and Shelley his favour? You are good enough for Jehovah, but not for his people? Did Jehovah set a time frame for your baptism? Christ knew his role, but did not get baptised for thirty years because of the law governing teaching at the time.

        Jehovah knows you smoke. He loved you enough to show you and Shelley the way. What does that tell you? Not only does he know you smoke, but he also showed you the truth of the lie. He has not done that for others. Why you? Why shelley? Because he loves you, both. So what to do?

        You do not need to get baptised until you feel ready. Do not be put off by how the witnesses treat you, or what they expect from you. Your relationship is with Jehovah, through Jesus. Do not pray as a victim of the witnesses, made to feel bad because you are not doing what they want. Pray instead with joy that Jehovah has chosen you and Shelley for life. All you need to do is grasp it and realise the gift in your heart. Do not be put off by men and fear their displeasure and machinations. Fear God. Don’t let the guilt induced by them invade your prayers. When you pray, pray as Jesus said to pray. Pray for help to respect your lungs, the body designed by Jehovah, pray for strength. Build your relationship with the father, seek his peace in the solitude of unity with him alone. Tell him what smoking means to you, the power of your addiction. The strength needed. Open your heart. Help yourself. You will give it up, when you are able to give it up. And Jehovah knows that. Come to terms with the paradox that is the watchtower. Be firm and strong with the witnesses. Tell them your plan, don’t abdicate control to their plan. Your plan is with Jehovah. There are lovely people in the congregation. Heartfelt, kind, aware. Seek them out like brother Kevin B does who also contributes to this site. Stay close. Grow in faith. Take your time. Jehovah knows your heart, as it is, as it was, as you strive to make it. All the family here love and respect you with all your faults, and in knowledge of our own faults too. (Get stop smoking advice at your pharmacist. I used Nicorette gums and chewed like an American for two years. I did not give up for Jehovah. I missed that opportunity. So he made me give up for my lungs instead. My lungs didn’t give me a choice either. You will do fine. But do it with Jehovah. He will help. Men won’t. Sorry to rattle on, but I dont like to see you that way. Cheer up.

        • ELiJAHx7

          I’m addicted to caffeine (a “legal” drug) Ha!..I have bad withdrawal symptoms when I cut back or quit…I use caffeine to counter the fatigue effects of my nerve med…wow, am I evil?

          • Burt Reynolds

            Well, you hit the nail on the head. Addicted to caffeine…..I think you had better stand in the corner for half an hour.

            • ELiJAHx7

              Yes Sir!

          • sally

            Oh I am addicted to that to 🙁 especially in a skinny latte.

            • James

              Now you’re just over the line sally

        • Kevin b

          Burt, you really do amaze me with your wisdom on things. I couldn’t agree with you more. Every time the Branch try’s to make a man made rule it’s ridiculous. Didn’t Jehovah make all things for a purpose. Why did he create tobacco? What other uses are there for tobacco other than smoking?
          Smoking became a disfellowshipping offence in 1973. Yet smoking has always been harmful to health. “Societies were formed to discourage smoking” from the early 1900’s and scientists proved the connection to lung cancer in the 1930’s. Further, smoking was introduced as wrong because it was related to spiritism, in which case it was wrong from the birth of the religion and would not be something God should wait 100 years to provide enlightenment on.
          So basically if you smoke you are practicing spiritism. That’s the disfellowshipping offense.
          W 715 pg. 31-32
          Gross uncleanness entails more than sexual sins. For instance, a baptized boy might smoke a few cigarettes in a short period of time and confess this to his parents. He is determined not to smoke again. This is uncleanness, but it has not escalated to the point of being gross uncleanness or “uncleanness . . . with greediness.” Scriptural counsel from an elder or two along with support from the boy’s parents should suffice. But if the boy is a frequent user of tobacco, this would be a deliberate defilement of the flesh, and a judicial committee would be convened to consider this case of gross uncleanness. (2 Corinthians 7:1) If the boy is not repentant, he would be disfellowshipped.
          Here we see that smoking occasionally is not a judicial offense. I happen to know of brothers with privileges in the congregation that smoke cigars on occasion. Not every day or every week but here and there or on vacation. It is what it is and people are gonna do whatever they want to do when they want to do it regardless of what rules the Branch has in place. These elders that are giving counsel to stop smoking to Shelly and Sally undoubtedly have issues they are dealing with too. We all have skeletons in the closet. Don’t expect perfection from people who live in an imperfect world, in an imperfect religion, with imperfect elders, who are doing God knows what behind closed doors. My judge is Jesus and to him alone are we accountable. Holding people back from getting baptized or threatening people with disfellowshipping is nothing less than bullying. We basically are in an organization run by bullies who love to have authority over the flock, who are so broken down from the bullying, that they are willing to submit to the bullying to fit in. They are scared to think for themselves. The organization is basically built on controlling the witnesses.

          Mt 11:30 For my yoke is kindly, and my load is light.

          When Jesus begins his true rule, these sheperds will no longer have authority over the congregation.

          Eze 34:23 I will raise up one shepherd over them, my servant David, and he will feed them. He himself will feed them and become their shepherd.

          Rules made by a man made religion will be done away with. And our guide will be the Bible and Jesus.

          De 12:32 Every word that I am commanding you is what you should be careful to do. You must not add to it nor take away from it.

          So regardless of whether people are allowed to get baptized, or are in a state of being disfellowshipped, or maybe stumbled by some wrongdoing in the congregation. The scriptures say at Isa 29:14 Therefore, I am the One who will again do wonderful things with this people, With wonder upon wonder; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the understanding of their discreet men will be hidden.”

          Burt, you really do amaze me with your wisdom on things. I couldn’t agree with you more. Every time the Branch try’s to make a man made rule it’s ridiculous. Didn’t Jehovah make all things for a purpose. Why did he create tobacco? What other uses are there for tobacco other than smoking?
          Smoking became a disfellowshipping offence in 1973. Yet smoking has always been harmful to health. “Societies were formed to discourage smoking” from the early 1900’s and scientists proved the connection to lung cancer in the 1930’s. Further, smoking was introduced as wrong because it was related to spiritism, in which case it was wrong from the birth of the religion and would not be something God should wait 100 years to provide enlightenment on.
          So basically if you smoke you are practicing spiritism. That’s the disfellowshipping offense.
          W 715 pg. 31-32
          Gross uncleanness entails more than sexual sins. For instance, a baptized boy might smoke a few cigarettes in a short period of time and confess this to his parents. He is determined not to smoke again. This is uncleanness, but it has not escalated to the point of being gross uncleanness or “uncleanness . . . with greediness.” Scriptural counsel from an elder or two along with support from the boy’s parents should suffice. But if the boy is a frequent user of tobacco, this would be a deliberate defilement of the flesh, and a judicial committee would be convened to consider this case of gross uncleanness. (2 Corinthians 7:1) If the boy is not repentant, he would be disfellowshipped.
          Here we see that smoking occasionally is not a judicial offense. I happen to know of brothers with privileges in the congregation that smoke cigars on occasion. Not every day or every week but here and there or on vacation. It is what it is and people are gonna do whatever they want to do when they want to do it regardless of what rules the Branch has in place. These elders that are giving counsel to stop smoking to Shelly and Sally undoubtedly have issues they are dealing with too. We all have skeletons in the closet. Don’t expect perfection from people who live in an imperfect world, in an imperfect religion, with imperfect elders, who are doing God knows what behind closed doors. My judge is Jesus and to him alone are we accountable. Holding people back from getting baptized or threatening people with disfellowshipping is nothing less than bullying. We basically are in an organization run by bullies who love to have authority over the flock, who are so broken down from the bullying, that they are willing to submit to the bullying to fit in. They are scared to think for themselves. The organization is basically built on controlling the witnesses.

          Mt 11:30 For my yoke is kindly, and my load is light.

          When Jesus begins his true rule, these sheperds will no longer have authority over the congregation.

          Eze 34:23 I will raise up one shepherd over them, my servant David, and he will feed them. He himself will feed them and become their shepherd.

          Rules made by a man made religion will be done away with. And our guide will be the Bible and Jesus.

          De 12:32 Every word that I am commanding you is what you should be careful to do. You must not add to it nor take away from it.

          So regardless of whether people are allowed to get baptized, or are in a state of being disfellowshipped, or maybe stumbled by some wrongdoing in the congregation. The scriptures say at Isa 29:14 Therefore, I am the One who will again do wonderful things with this people, With wonder upon wonder; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the understanding of their discreet men will be hidden.”

      • Anderiega

        I feel privileged to know both you and Shelly. Your comments and your desire to win this fight (addiction) are very strengthening to me.

      • Cocheta

        what a load of tripe, Sally! I never heard so much hogwash in all my life, how dare they say these things!!! I didn’t spend all that time messaging you in the beginning or all that time persuading you I hadn’t turned apostate when you found out I was studying with e-Watchman to let that bunch of hypocrites shove you straight out the back door.
        Please don’t forget that the angel that brought you to Jehovah also brought you to this site (that was me if you remember – no, all jokes aside for this comment)
        Jesus waited for 30 years to get baptised. There is no angel hovering over you trying to drag you out, on the contrary the angel hovering over you is helping you to find the true path to Jehovah & don’t forget that please.
        The same goes for Shelley too.
        You are in the race for life, Sally & no matter what position you end up in, as long as you keep plodding on towards Jehovahs light you will make it. Remember, it’s not the winning that counts, it’s the taking part (I heard that in a Peppa Pig video ) hah!
        Love you xoxo

        • sally

          Aww thanks for all the lovely encouraging comments and support 🙂 Much needed, I know I speak for Shelley to when I say that. Smoking is a hard thing to give up, harder than I thought it would be to get into the frame of mind to just…well….do it. But I know I will. I decided last week to quit the bible study and just go to the sunday meeting. I have said I am quitting before, but then kept going but however I tried to manage it (my study sister who is something else) is making this impossible through her relentless put downs and through the pressures of preaching and baptism. How could I possibly preach the 1914 doctrine? I just can’t. I am finding it too negative and am concerned about the need to try and control me that seems to be happening. This is a real struggle, I am studying myself like crazy but of course they have no idea. What I get from this site, the bible directly and from other ttatt members far outweighs anything the WT teaches (aside from so much of it being lies). Then I see today’s text and know exactly how my decision is going to be viewed. Forewarned is forearmed I suppose, but it is an injustice. I take comfort in knowing that Jehovah knows that I love him, but the injustice of those who make judgements is pretty difficult. I will get through it, its just the daily text took the wind out of my sails. But thank you all anyway, I will be fine.

          • Joseph Stephan

            https://youtu.be/ZyM02fig6QQ

            Use earphones or headset to enjoy fully!

            • Shelley.

              I listened to the whole talk,4 parts.I must say it was the most touching talk I have ever heard.I went through a lot of Kleenex and my eyes are very puffy.Thanks soo much for posting this link Joseph.

            • Joseph Stephan

              You are very welcome ❤

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Joseph, Incredible isn’t it about the sparrows, he even counts the the numbers of hairs on our heads Luke 12:7. Nothing is hidden from our almighty creator.

            • Thanks for reaching out about this, it’s 430 in the morning and I just woke up from a horrific dream. Putting in some earphones now to listen again for comfort.
              Thanks again my brother!

            • Jamie Mac

              He will even know what you just dreamt about 🙂

            • sally

              I have listened to parts 1 and 2, will listen to the others tomorrow. It’s a beautiful talk the best I have heard to. He seems like a lovely brother, he delivers with heart. Thank you from me as well Joseph, it was just the tonic.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Mark 11:24 This is why I tell you, all the things you pray and ask for, have faith that you have received them, and you will have them.

              James 1:5
              So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him.

              1 John 5:14
              And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that no matter what we ask according to his will, he hears us.

              Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you;
              for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened.
              Indeed, which one of you, if his son asks for bread, will hand him a stone?
              Or if he asks for a fish, he will not hand him a serpent, will he?
              Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him! Matthew 7:7-11.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Sally, you really must not get drawn into this pressure and guilt dished out by your study sister, elders or whoever. This is about self glorification. The study sister is under pressure to succeed as with by any boss. Both the elders and the sister are conditioned to make you understand the teaching. They cannot see the truth. This is where the conflict of conscience and belief, strain against the lie and the truth and human nature in a struggle no one can solve. It can and will debilitate you, rob you of joy. ‘Consider the lilies of the field, they do nothing, but Jehovah clothes them in beauty…’ (Sorry I can’t quote it accurately). ‘If Jehovah cares for these ones, then how much more will he care for you?’ Rest your concerns on Jehovah. Stay true to yourself, otherwise you will make yourself unwell. This is a mindset that cannot be resolved. Jehovah knows you. Be confident in that much for today. Tomorrow will take care of itself.

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            To Dear Respected Brother,
            Here is the encouragement to you Shally from brother Basavaraj from North Karnataka South India. Here in India I and my wife totally eliminate 1914 when we take bible study. Even to her Bible studies my wife boldly skips where ever 1914 occurs in Bible teach book. I had asked these questions to Robert in 2011. Well he said there are many people who don’t even know basic bible truths, about Jehovah, about ransom why not teach some bible basis and about Jehovah. So from that day I do as Robert said. You too can do the same. When my wife goes to others bible study sometime they request my wife to take a study on a couple of paragraphs as she is has become a very good bible study conductor since after studying watchman’s website. My wife will select the paragraphs that does not have 1914 doctrine, while she will allow them to do 1914 dirty job. She would not tell openly to her co-study conductor because they will go and complaint to other elders and it would become heavy problem as other elders would catch my wife’s father who is also an elder and Watchtower Study conductor both in our own congregation and in the conventions. I understand your concern yes you can still control even after knowing that the 1914 is wrong but we are the examples. Still you can talk to people on many other topics using WTS tracts just as we do. Well addressing to your smoking problem though I was/is not a smoker but a teetotaler since birth still I understand that Smoking is a hard thing to give up,. Yes it is harder than you thought it would be to get into the frame of mind to just…well….do it. Well make your will power strong and may Jehovah and Jesus help you too. I also encourage you to quit smoking. Well many a times I had brought this point here in this website. My fleshly brother who is a Pharmacologist said me that the Pharmaceuticals drug manufacturing and the Cigarette manufacturing companies are one and the same and are mutually co-related. The cigarette, manufacturing company manufactures the products that creates diseases in humans while the Pharmaceuticals company manufactures the products that has to be taken for lifetime by the affected individuals. So finally what the logic behind is that you buy the disease by paying money and want to cure the disease again by paying money. All they wanted is people’s money continuously till their death by making their product addicted (such as cigarette). The Government
            knows this but they are unable to do anything because these are the companies
            that give money for election camping to the politicians, hence the government keeps quite that’s is the truth. The agenda of the banksters and oligarchs is to bring down the population. How can they do this? They can do so by killing the people at young. It is one kind of making the people to commit suicide by addicting them with their deadly products such as cigarettes. They cannot do this for people like me that is why they introduced soft drinks and other fast food products such as
            noodles with Ajinomoto (monosodium glutamate (MSG) as an ingredient of taste maker. Still they cannot penetrate people like me so they have made GMO vegetables to target everyone including teetotalers so that even teetotaler like me should die at young age. Why? Was not the biryanis or pulao (an South Indian tasty rice dish) were tasty 3000 years ago even before MSG were unknown to man? Sadly many people nowadays here in India wish to eat such ancient and notorious dish with poison such as MSG and all Indian hotels use MSG. Many in our North Karnataka are unaware of this. I encourage my fellow witnesses not to use MSG or GMO’s. Still they know they cannot penetrate people like me with their agendas that is why they introduced organic vegetable and fruits. Although it is true that the so called organic vegetables and fruits as per the private study made by my friend who is working in University of Agricultural Science Bangalore, still they milk money from the teetotalers by tagging high prices to our daily essential products. The idea is if you teetotalers want to live then pay more money to us otherwise eat GMO’s and pesticide loaded products and die at young. Before establishing the one world government the agenda of the oligarchs is to depopulate the planet. If you have doubt just read Joel chapter in e-watchman’s website in the e-book Jehovah himself has become king. Satan wants to destroy the earth and mankind (=image of God) through his seeds the oligarchs before Jesus takes the ruler ship. Satan don’t want to give up this world even in this present condition to Jesus, that is why deadly weapons like nuclear bombs came into existence and are in position to destroy the whole earth and also wants to kill people by using slow poison such as cigarettes, soft drinks and GMO’s. So next time if you want to smoke just think like this!! Am I supporting the agenda of oligarchs (seeds of Satan)? Or Am I want to be a part of Jehovah’s kingdom? Or
            follow my logo. Take a pack of cigarettes and wear a shabby boots and keep the
            pack of cigarettes in the middle of road and kick it and that should be your motto
            and logo. If you love Jehovah and Jesus and want to be and true JW and really want to live in paradise then I kindly request you to KICK THE CIGARETTE OUT. BE LIKE ME!! MAY JEHOVAH AND JESUS BLESS YOU NOW AND FOREVER. I love you because you JEHOVAH.
            love Jehovah.

            • sally

              Thanks for your advice Basavaraj, you seem such a great man! I always love reading your posts. Everyone here has such good posts, it’s definitely a refuge from all the usual WT drudgery. The trouble is, Basavaraj, is that they use the bible teach book and it has a chapter about it. Now, a year ago when I was at the beginning of my studies, my study sister prepped for that particular session with great care. She had written it all out, It was literally like a math lesson. I of course in my ignorance agreed with this (but I remember saying to her I would have to take her word for it as I was no good at math) such was the significance of the amount of numbers that were in the study that day. Looking back and knowing what I know now, it was the most prepped study that I have had to date which is interesting. I suppose when you are a baptised witness you go out independently and then you can as you and your wife do, be selective and not go down any road that you do not feel comfortable with like 1914. I would have to go with experienced witnesses who will go to that immediately. I know that I will have to find a way at some point, but right now is not the time. Not when I am about to cancel my own study. Goodness knows how that is going to go down.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              I Understand you! Yes I hear you!

        • Burt Reynolds

          I love peppa pig. I used to get really worried about bill and Ben getting discovered by the gardener coming down the path. That little weed never seemed on the ball, probably a foolish virgin sleeping when she should have been keeping watch for the gardener. Anyway, the suspense scarred me for life but here I am again, waiting for the gardener, cowering behind two flower pots……life is one big circle…..

          • Cocheta

            yes, little weed was always a flighty thing & I suppose age hasn’t mellowed her. Whilst you wait for the Gardener (love that analogy, Burt) why not try catching up with the extra terrestrials who you well know have proved that there is life in outer space, the Clangers, it will ease the pain of waiting. Major Clanger is a good one to study as we don’t want to end up with a name like his.

      • Shelley.

        I just finished studying the watchtower for next Sunday.I found it to be soo uplifting.Knowing ttatt has its challenges for us all but it is really hard for us new ones going into the org.Psalms 37:5-9 is very encouraging.As regards to prayer I found these scriptures to be very encouraging Luke 11:9,13,1John 5:14,15 As long as we are asking according to Jehovahs will he will hear and answer our prayers.Quitting smoking definitely will fall into this category.

        • sally

          Thanks Shelly I just read Psalms it was very uplifting like you said. I feel that there are some scriptures I would like to laminate and hang on my walls so that I have a constant reminder of them….that was one of them! x

      • Bklyn Kevin

        We should always remember just as there’s are many gifts in men there is also imperfection and now the Apostle Paul was all too familiar with this imperfection and this is what he had to say.

        Romans 7:
        21 I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me.
        22 I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within,
        23 but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body.
        24 Miserable man that I am!
        (Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death?)
        25 Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law.

        And this imperfection will continue to be with us until Jehovah is finished cultivated his garden and the only thing we can really do is continue to run the race and strive for perfection by putting faith in Jesus’ ransom certifies that Jehovah had provided so that we can receive forgiveness by means of Jesus’ ransom. And in the meantime while we are waiting on Jehovah’s great loving mercy we need to carry out the preaching work that Jesus has set before us and maintain the same mental attitude that the Apostle Paul had when he said

        (“Therefore, we do not give up,)

        but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. 2 Corinthians 4:16 1 Corinthians 3:9.

        And please always remember that Jesus came into the world to save siners and the man who fears Jehovah is acceptable.

        Undeserved kindness shown to Paul (12-16) Read more>
        https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-timothy/1/#v54001012-v54001016

        Hebrews 11:1-40
        Definition of faith (1, 2) Examples of faith (3-40) Impossible to please God without faith (6)
        Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/hebrews/11/#v58011001

        • 1914for100Alex

          I love that Paul was chosen to be an apostle. He’s a perfect example for your average person to relate to, and it’s pretty obvious it was no accident that he was picked for that very reason.

          • Free at Last

            That’s a very insightful and beautiful thought. Yes, Saul was chosen as a prophetic example of how all those who might think of themselves as the “worst of the worst of sinners” will ultimately be redeemed. It will occur at the appointed time and the road will be quite rough until then. Our Father knows all things and knows just what each of us is in need of (the discipline which He provides for us) to “turn” from doing bad to doing good.

            There are several prophetic examples which should strengthen our faith regarding what is to come: The Prodigal Son and Job among them. It is truly Good News!

    • Thinking

      Do not give up Shelley, I struggled with smoking for the longest time ..and I can GUARANTEE you Jehovah heard all of my prayers..just as he does yours…so do not listen to that person ..they don’t know what they are talking about. You maybye just have not found the right cong …or maybye won’t ever….this is your testing now….if you cope with this…you will be alright In The time of the end….
      Big hug to you
      Sis thinking

    • Joseph Stephan

      Jehovah, our loving heavenly Father, is well aware of any tribulation we are experiencing at this time. Throughout the ages, his loyal worshipers have always been the subject of oppression and persecution. This should not surprise us when we realize that the persecution comes from Satan, who was also the source of Job’s affliction. (Matt. 5:11,12; Rev. 12:12, 17) Jehovah wants us to endure, and he tells us that he himself is distressed at seeing our affliction. (Isa. 63:9; Zech. 2:8) Since endurance is tied in with obedience, Jehovah is not making it unnecessarily difficult for us by saddling us with a heavy load, as the religious leaders had done in Jesus’ day. God is not hard to please! Jesus said that the “yoke is kindly and [the] load is light.” (Matt. 11:28-30; 23:4) If anyone today is chafing under what they feel is a heavy load, they should realize that this is not from Jehovah, and that there is no special merit in carrying a greater burden than that what God himself requires of us. —1 John 5:3.

      • Matthew 6:9-13

        9 “You must pray, then, this way:

        “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. 11 Give us today our bread for this day; 12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’

    • Southern ShaSha

      Dear Shelley, hope you have read the reply by Burt to both you and Sally. He shares his thoughts from the heart. Hopefully you listen to those who build-up rather than those who tear down. JEHOVAH can not hear when we feel unworthy to make our petitions known to him. Just as Proverbs 8:17 states, all those looking will find Him. The closer you draw near to Him, the more He provides all that is necessary to fight off adversity in our lives. JEHOVAH knows those who love Him, never doubt that. We all must fight to keep moving forward and never let up. If you allow yourself to become broken hearted it becomes a distraction in your efforts to please Him, which is our goal in the first place. You can set a shining example at the Hall being the gracious one, the loving one regardless of others attitudes or snotty behavior. You show such courage in just being there and putting up with the negative side of it all. Any shame to be meted out will be on those who are discouraging particularly new ones who do need the love and support. I would like to perhaps, as Cocheta suggested, attend for now the public talk. I give you kudos for your efforts, you, yourself are an encouragement to ones like myself. Love to you, continue plowing through and never lose sight of the whole purpose of your struggles.

      • Southern ShaSha

        Another thought Shelley, you could be just the one to greet the next new one walking into the K.H. Making them feel welcome, lovingly helping them on their journey to learn about all the wondrous things we have been blessed to learn about our Heavenly Father and His glorious Kingdom.

    • Searcher

      He Shelley,

      a link to an article you will find of interest for the very issue your personally facing.

      http://perimeno.ca/Letters_0110_smoking.htm

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3afc90be486c414d49c457d2107bc9bbe2a646345dc824f27b52e274dbb2156d.jpg

      • Shelley.

        Thank you,a very encouraging article.

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      To Dear Respected Brother,
      Here is the encouragement to you Shelley from brother Basavaraj from North Karnataka South India. Well you said I am no longer able to pray to Jehovah as I feel so unworthy. Don’t feel like that Jehovah is not so silly as some humans are becasue at John:3:17: It states: For God (Jehovah) did not send his Son (Jesus) into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. also Luke :19:10: For the Son of man came to seek and to save what was lost. So continue to pray to Jehovah and I encourage you.

      Well addressing to your smoking problem though I was/is not a smoker but a teetotaler since birth still I understand that Smoking is a hard thing to give up,. Yes it is harder than you thought it would be to get into the frame of mind to just…well….do it. Well make your will power strong and may Jehovah and Jesus help you too. I also encourage you to quit smoking. Well many a times I had brought this point here in this website. My fleshly brother who is a Pharmacologist said me that the Pharmaceuticals drugs and the Cigarette manufacturing companies are one and the same and are mutually co-related. The cigarette, manufacturing company manufactures the products that creates diseases in humans while the Pharmaceuticals company manufactures the products that has to be taken for lifetime by the affected individuals. So finally what the logic behind is that you buy the disease by paying money and want to cure the disease again by paying money. All they wanted is people’s money continuously till their death by making their product addicted (such as cigarette). The Government knows this but they are unable to do anything because these are the companies that give money for election camping to the politicians, hence the government keeps quite that’s is the truth. The agenda of the banksters and oligarchs is to bring down the population. How can they do this? They can do so by killing the people at young. It is one kind of making the people to commit suicide by addicting them with their deadly products such as cigarettes. They cannot do this for people like me that is why they introduced soft drinks and other fast food products such as noodles with Ajinomoto (monosodium glutamate (MSG) as an ingredient of taste maker. Still they cannot penetrate people like me so they have made GMO vegetables to target everyone including teetotalers so that even teetotaler like me should die at young age. Why? Was not the biryanis or pulao (an South Indian tasty rice dish) were tasty 3000 years ago even before MSG were unknown to man? Sadly many people nowadays here in India wish to eat such ancient and notorious dish with poison such as MSG and all Indian hotels use MSG. Many in our North Karnataka are unaware of this. I encourage my fellow witnesses not to use MSG or GMO’s. Still they know they cannot penetrate people like me with their agendas that is why they introduced organic vegetable and fruits. Although it is true that the so called organic vegetables and fruits as per the private study made by my friend who is working in University of Agricultural Science Bangalore, still the food processing and pesticide industries suck money from the teetotalers by tagging high prices to our daily essential products. The idea is if you teetotalers want to live then pay more money to us otherwise eat GMO’s and pesticide loaded products and die at young. Before establishing the one world government the agenda of the oligarchs is to depopulate the planet. If you have doubt just read Joel chapter in e-watchman’s website in the e-book Jehovah himself has become king. Satan wants to destroy the earth and mankind (=image of God) through his seeds the oligarchs before Jesus takes the ruler ship. Satan don’t want to give up this world even in this present condition to Jesus, that is why deadly weapons like nuclear bombs came into existence and are in position to destroy the whole earth and also wants to kill people by using slow poison such as cigarettes, soft drinks and GMO’s. So next time if you want to smoke just think like this!! Am I supporting the agenda of oligarchs (seeds of Satan)? Or Am I want to be a part of Jehovah’s kingdom? Or follow my logo. Take a pack of cigarettes and wear a shabby boots and keep the pack of cigarettes in the middle of road and kick it and that should be your motto and logo. If you love Jehovah and Jesus and want to be and true JW and really want to live in paradise then I kindly request you to KICK THE CIGARETTE OUT. BE LIKE ME!! MAY JEHOVAH AND JESUS BLESS YOU NOW AND FOREVER. I love you because you love JEHOVAH because your presence in this site says so.

      • LW

        You connect the dots brilliantly…culling the herd so to speak.

        They believe they are gods destined to rule the world.

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          Yes brother what you say is true

          • LW

            Yes and in case anyone doubts what Basavaraj is saying, here it is in black and white:

            According to a Hebrew resource for Navigating the Bible, the sons of God were the “Titans. Nefilim in Hebrew, literally ‘fallen ones.’ They were called this because they were the sons of the fallen angels (Targum Yonathan).” This demonic ancestry of the Merovingians is explicitly stated on Dagobert’s Revenge in Edouard de Legionnaire’s essay, “The Biological Basis of Elitism and ‘Divine Right’ Rule”:

            “The all-important element of the Divine Right is that it comes from God, or ‘the gods’, alternately. And who were these gods? Authors such as Zecharia Sitchin, Sir Laurence Gardner and Nicholas de Vere are authoritatively convinced that kingship was created by an advanced race of beings called the Annunaki, also called the Nephilim in the Old Testament. These were the ones who created the human race and interbred with a portion of it to create the kingly caste which until this day has still maintained control over the Earth. These celestial creatures have been variously identified with Dragons, Elves, Fairies, Gnomes, Leprechauns, Sprites, Nymphs, Pixies, Angels, Demons, Devils, Witches, Giants, Vampires, Werewolves, and just about every mythical being you can imagine. Some, like Gardner and Sitchin, claim that they come from another planet.

      • amen

  • Joseph Stephan

    You are right in saying that “1914 has no relevance to bible chronology and Jesus’ coming or presence.” WW I did not mark the beginning of “the time of the end”, and neither did Jesus arrive in that year. All the Society’s teachings regarding the year 1914 are necessary for them in order to support their claimed authority over God’s people, as Paul foretold. (2 Thess. 2:3-12) It has nothing to do with Bible chronology, while it goes contrary to what Jesus told his disciples, as recorded in Acts 1:7. The importance of 1914 to the Society is based entirely on Rutherford’s re-interpretation of C.T. Russell’s calculations (which did not add up to 1914 but rather 1913, as Russell failed to realize that there was no zero year between 1 BC and 1 CE., which doesn’t really matter anyway, because his numbers were off even when it comes to when to start the count of his number of years, which in themselves are meaningless. Russell believed that Jesus had arrived in 1874 and that the world would be destroyed in 1914, at which time all the “elect” would be taken up to heaven. That of course did not happen). According to Jesus’ own words, being able to observe the sign of his presence would be evidence that his return has drawn near. Quite different from Rutherford’s claim that it was proof of his presence in kingdom power since 1914. (See Matt. 24:32-34; Luke 21:28-32)
    http://www.baruq.uk/

  • 今天真冷,哈哈!

  • LW

    The Scripture says “THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS is like a dragnet let down into the sea and gathering fish of every kind.”—Matt. 13:47.

    Where does Jesus say that the preaching work is the dragnet itself? Nowhere.

    The Kingdom of the heavens is Christ’s congregation, NOT the global preaching work. The implication of that point is that there are many persons in the WT organization who are not genuine in the truth and will be eviscerated from the congregation by the angels.

  • e.v.g

    Some CO’s are talking

  • Shelley.

    I want to say say thank you for all the kind,loving words of encouragement.I wish you were all in the congregation here.

  • Cocheta

    Where is Beverly? Her account is gone! I’m so upset, she is very dear to me & I hope that nothing has happened in her congregation that has made her leave us.

    • DA

      just noticed too

      • Cocheta

        I’m devastated, we can’t keep losing our brothers & sisters like this. Darn it, I feel so lonely now, I shall have to mope around for the rest of the evening.

        Anyone have a crying emoticon for me?

        • Joseph Stephan

          ??????????????
          Don’t worry, she will be back… incognito!

          • Cocheta

            that’s a lot of crying JS, my keyboard is flooding so much that dolphins are threatening to take over,

            I know she’ll be back but I need her here now NOW, **stamps foot & looks sulky**

            • Joseph Stephan

              She is an important part of this virtual congregation!❤

            • 1914for100Alex

              Nevermind. Looks like we got our answer!

            • Cocheta

              where???

            • 1914for100Alex

              Joseph said she’d be back!

          • 1914for100Alex

            Are you going to lend her one of your incognito names? Beverly, if you’re reading this, go with SaltySeaBeard!

            • Cocheta

              *tee hee*

            • Joseph Stephan

              Hilarious ?

            • Kevin b

              How about poster girl?

            • 1914for100Alex

              Yeah. She might like that idea better lol.

    • 1914for100Alex

      I was just about to ask you the same thing!

      • Cocheta

        I don’t know how to contact her, Alex, she is not on FB & I don’t know her e-mail address or her whatsapp number.

        • 1914for100Alex

          I’ve been out of town so I haven’t been able to follow along much. I saw she was gone and thought maybe you would know what happened. I don’t have any contact info either. She has admitted to being computer illiterate. Maybe she accidentally deleted her account!

    • Kevin b

      I noticed it looked like some of her comments were gone. I enjoy her input on here. I hope she returns soon. Maybe someone has her email and can reach out to her. I was disappointed as well when you left, but I’m glad you are back. It took me awhile to figure out it was you. I love having you on here Cocheta.

      • Cocheta

        you just were voted my favourite brother, Kevin xoxoxo

  • 我只是来看一看,好久没来了~

  • Arvid Fløysand

    Beverly where are you?

  • Joseph Stephan

    It suits Jehovah’s purpose to allow the Watchtower’s invisible parousia and related lies to have its fullest expression. It ultimately serves as the prophetic “operation of error.” When the time arrives the foretold “operation of error” will test all of Jehovah’s Witnesses’ love of the truth.

    • Joel

      Excellent point Joe.

      The “operation of error” is like a fog covering a city. You know it’s there, but you can still navigate through it. The 1914 delusion has “settled” over the average JW to the point that it is not even questioned; not even asked to be proven in detail Nothing!

      Yes, the faith of Jehovah’s Witnesses will truly be put to the test when the once mighty walls of the Watchtower Society comes tumbling down. Will the friends stand on their own—with faith in the invisible God, Jehovah? Or will they wilt, crumble, and scatter due to not having the physical Watchtower to lean on any longer, nor BELIEVING that the Watchtower was really just a temporary institution ONLY used by God to preach the good news of the incoming Kingdom?

      Their “crux” is now gone. Will they STAND in faith, or lie down and die in Satanically inspired defeat? Only time will tell.

      • Rynda

        Love the way you put this Brother. I guess my personal opinion has always flown in the face of WTBTS teachings: Loving and serving Jehovah/Yehovah is about having a relationship with him through his son Jesus/Yeshuah, and NOT an organization. While an organization is fine to fulfill the need for socializing and encouragement, Yeshuah himself said that he himself was , “the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE…no man cometh unto the FATHER except THRU me” I always amazed me to hear Brothers give talks from the podium that said that salvation was ONLY for Jehovah’s Witnesses in good standing who were regular in field service and meeting attendance…Finally…We MUST stand solid on faith, being like Moses/Moshe who acted “…as though seeing the one invisible”

        • Joel

          Good points all, Sis.

      • LW

        Hey Joel,

        Even they themselves say that the only thing that will get us through that time is our faith in Jehovah.

        • Joel

          Yes. But will that faith be an “individualized developed” faith, rather than an “institutionalized dictated faith”? In other words, at that time, will the faith of the average JW be built on a love of Jehovah built on ones own individual relationship with Him through His Son Jesus Christ. . . or will it be a faith built on a religions man-made dictates and mandates? The former is strong and solid; that latter is superficial and artificial—with NO REAL POWER!

          Only a faith that is nurtured by a love of God, holy spirit, and ones own personal relationship with God will stand.

          That’s the sort of faith we want.

          • LW

            True, well I meant the second kind of faith. But perhaps that’s not everyone’s view.

            When the real fireworks start and it’s our backs against the wall, then we’ll see.

            If the WT says, ‘do so and so’ and Christ says ‘do so and so’ who are we going to listen to?

            • Joel

              Ah, that’s the $64,000 question! Will the average JW even be able to “identify” the true voice of Christ, and not confuse it with the voice of the Watchtower saying “listen to us because we are God’s channel.” Hopefully we—you and me—and all of us who learn from the E-Watchman, will be equipped to identify the real voice of the Lord and come to him for protection when that time comes.

            • Kevin b

              Great point Joel.

            • True Witness

              Hello dear brother Joel
              It is good point you have made. It is vital for all of us to recognize the true voice of Jesus. I hope I will be able to recognize. I think this site of Robert King will guide us to the true anointed that wil remain after collapse of WT.
              They must shine like a bright stars. But I still cannot realize how it will be.
              Blessings to you and to all here.

            • Joel

              None of us know for sure how certain end time prophecies will work out, be fulfilled. But with a solid faith in Jehovah and His Son, Jesus, we who look to Him ONLY—and not to any man-made religious “channel”—we will be alright! You just watch!

            • Anderiega

              Joel, do you live near Schaumburg? My husband and I will be there on Friday…. Coffee??!

            • 1914for100Alex

              Let me guess. You’re going shopping at Ikea?

            • Anderiega

              Do you live nearby too?! Sorry for taking up space with these unimportant comments….I don’t know how to PM on here.

            • 1914for100Alex

              I’ve been there, but I’m about an hour and a half away. The only time I ever hear people talking about going there is to go to Ikea lol.

            • True Witness

              At least we can see clearly the future. Many of JW will be stumbled as Jesus said even anointed. But what I sorry about that because of WT lies also our relatives and friends will not study Bible and will perish too. WT is guity in their death also. How terrible their sin is. GB and organization is guilty before Jehovah and Jesus.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Do You Grasp the Meaning? Obviously, the Governing Body does not. Is the thought for the Day. Well it is as if returning the same missile back to them. Well said brother Robert!!

    • Joel

      It’s so clear to us, right Basavarji? I have never understood why the Governing Body does not see many of their own inconsistencies in doctrine. Could it be the “operation of error,” the “deluding influence”?

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Yes brother it is not Could it be the “operation of error,” the “deluding influence” but it is the “operation of error,” the “deluding influence”

      • Joel

        Lol! Well put my friend!

  • A speaker of TRUTH has the right friends, because those who love the TRUTH, will listen to him…Only those who hate the TRUTH will flee….The TRUTH unites all those who love the TRUTH!

    John 8:32
    and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

    • LW

      Per Perimeno, “Division is evidence of the absence of God’s spirit!”

  • Anderiega

    Good article for review…..This will be covered (incorrectly) at next week’s midweek meeting (April 2-7, 2017).

    I guess if Jehovah can patiently listen to the incoherence being taught at meetings, I can too…..Since the bad fish have obviously NOT been destroyed by angels yet. (Meaning, both are still together in the net….So I don’t have a scriptural excuse to stay home) ?

    • Burt Reynolds

      Your perseverance is to be admired. I’m actually jealous of it if truth be known.

    • Song of Hannah

      Funny, I had the exact same thought the other day! Was thinking, maybe this is Jehovah’s way of teaching us, by example. Helping us to see what he himself puts up with, by having us do the same.

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