Podcast #67

//Podcast #67

Last program of the year sets the pace for semi-monthly programs for the new year. This episode considers three questions related to the relationship between Jehovah and Jesus and the thrones each may occupy. And an unusual question from one of Jehovah’s Witnesses asking me to reassure readers of my genuineness, in view of the fact that I am universally regarded as an apostate by the Watchtower and the elders. 

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2016-12-08T15:10:48+00:00 December 30th, 2015|Podcasts|56 Comments
  • Christian Obadiah

    I enjoyed this podcast. Glad to hear you will be doing them more often.

    I am halfway through your book, Brother King. Its taking me a while since the content is quite deep and I am new in the truth. Will you be releasing the revised edition in PDF format as well?

    • ewatchman

      Yes, there will be a new PDF too with graphics.

  • David

    I’m confused, on the last part of your podcast. I know you want to support those inside the Org. to stay. It does look like the WTBTS is making progress at turning the great ship around without spilling off everyone on deck! But they are making fools of everyone in doing so! And creating a heavy financial burden on top of some very cash strapped peoples.Not to add taking a lot of time for fun activities and/or hobbies. Many have just decided they want to live their life now, because they are not sure if anyone is right about the future. I know many have left the WTBTS and they are now very much attacking it trying to get people out and freed up so they can enjoy life without such heavy condemnations of the worlds activities. Do you not have any words of support to those that just can’t make sense of all this seeming non-sense? And just want to live up to the point, when they need to make a split second decision on whether to receive the mark? After all, all will be forgiven up to calling Jehovah and Jesus bad names! But not that second when the Holy Spirit tells you which way to go and you go the other way.So, why not accept those that are in the world a little more. The witnesses look at their neighbors as satan worshipers, dead people walking. According to your analysis satan hijacked the WTBTS a long time ago. 1914 to be exact! What makes the ones inside not followers of satan?

    • e.v.g

      I guess we need to focus on spiritual matters, sometimes helping the needy and sick, preaching God’s Word, praying for give thanks and ask for help, reading God’s Word, no need to focus on the negative things like the 1914 hoax or other things, also the apostles were inappropriate desire for power too, some brothers and sisters are looking for a good standing in the congregation but that is not the case, brother Robert is doing an excellent job as a reminder for the leadership of JW’s and strenghtening faith of JW’s, we must be careful not to root for our brothers resentment after all we are just dust The time comes when some people will have the opportunity to help the children of God and probably to repent after the humiliation.

      • David

        Well, helping the needy and sick while being witness has become difficult. You no longer need care for a family member, that never listened to the message and continued a worldly lifestyle. Your not suppose to join in with others in the community feeding the homeless, or working in soup kitchens of other denominations. Again the message is that the people around JW’s are as good as dead! Yet the truth is,the Gentile times have not ended! These neighbors of ours are just as important as the ones in the congregations. Everyone is as good as dead in reality, and truth! The great tribulation and wars are going to take many lives.

        • Brian

          Yes David, when Jesus gave the second commandment he didn’t distinguish between “worldly” people and the “brothers”, neighbours are neighbours. I will add to that, when Jesus comes and inspects all of those that are professing to be in union with him he tells the ones that thought they were feeding his brothers that they indeed were not, something to think about in relation to all who think they know who the “chosen” ones are! Obviously not physically feeding them, but such acts of kindness would also be a part of the “feeding and giving a drink” to them.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Food for thought …
            For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my “brother” and sister and mother. Matthew12: 50.

            But wanting to prove himself righteous, the man said to Jesus: “Who really is my neighbor?” In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jerʹi·cho and fell victim to robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went off, leaving him half-dead. Now by coincidence a priest was going down on that road, but when he saw him, he passed by on the opposite side. Likewise, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the opposite side. But a certain Sa·marʹi·tan traveling the road came upon him, and at seeing him, he was moved with pity. So he approached him and bandaged his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them. Then he mounted him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two de·narʹi·i, gave them to the innkeeper, and said: ‘Take care of him, and whatever you spend besides this, I will repay you when I return. Who of these three seems to you to have made himself neighbor+ to the man who fell victim to the robbers?” He said: “The one who acted mercifully toward him.” Jesus then said to him: “Go and do the same yourself. Luke 10:29-37.

            • Brian


            • D34D 4L!3N

              thats why ive been saying the’ll be plenty of oil and wine (symbolically) during the great tribulation as said in Rev 6:6 cause Jehovah will keep way for us to help one another an opportunity for hearts that in some way have drifted away to come back to mind our God Jehovah who this system has subtly assisted in depriving us from keeping within his love

              thats my educated guess, correct me if im in error

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I have never viewed that scripture in that way and what you are saying makes sense.
              For sure it’s something to ponder over.
              After all did not the Paul indicate that love conquers all.
              Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is “love”.
              1 Corinthians 13:13

        • e.v.g

          Some brothers or sisters are sick, perhaps a visit would make them well, sometimes bringing some small gift to those in need, speaking about the truth it is important too, probably we are not doing the right thing because we are thinking in our own indignation.

          • e.v.g

            I thought one day, i can sit down here or i can do something important, i can’t speak about goodness and not do anything about it, i can find all kind of rections but i will know that i am doing the right thing, Jesus said:
            But you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your gifts of mercy may be in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you
            I can assure you that Jehovah rewards those who do this.
            Preaching and preaching and more preaching is good but probably we need to make a small or big sacrifice.

            • Rose Castro

              Exactly. Yet, many witnesses somehow are not willing to do exactly that; “a small or” much less, a “big sacrifice.”

  • Teleologist

    Robert, you keep telling JW’s to remain in the organization but you never give any good advice on how a JW is to accomplish this. How can a JW that knows 1914 is a hoax go door to door placing literature that promotes this false teaching? How does a JW conduct a Bible study when this subject keeps coming up? Is it our job to convert persons into 1914 believers? When asked point blank by a fellow JW if we believe the 1914 teaching what do we say? Do we keep it a secret from our family that 1914 is a hoax? If we tell our wife and our adult children our views on 1914 and they tell a few others then it’s going to get back to the elders and we all know how this ends. How does a person that knows what you know not end up like you? A little while ago a person wrote you that they were planning on fading away and you were surprised that anyone would want to do this. But it’s perfectly logical. They chose to fade away to avoid getting disfellowshipped and shunned. You were not able to avoid this and neither was your wife so why do you think things will be any different for the rest of us?

    • ewatchman

      Why do you need me to tell you what to do? Do you actually even conduct a Bible study with someone? If not, why pretend that it is an issue? Do you go door-to-door placing literature? If so, I would suggest using something that does not mention 1914. Most people have very little Bible knowledge anyway, so, I’d just try to teach them something simple, like what God’s name is. But, as far as your family, since, obviously as you have indicated in previous comments, you do not accept the WT’s teaching on blood, I would simply suggest handling your views on 1914 the same way you handle your objection to the WT’s blood policy.

      • Jahsdisciple

        You tell people to stay in the organisation,yet when someone genuinely asks how do to do this because of the lies the org is based on,you have no answer. He was asking for your advice AFTER you have told people to stay in an organisation of LIES! You are telling people to stay there despite the lies…so how do they do that when Jah HATES lies?!

        Yet you claim to be a prophet. So is that the kind of answer a prophet/spiritual sheperd gives about how to deal with lies? If the org is based on lies and the GB are governing because of the lie of 1914,its NOT Jahs org. If you go from door to door,you represent “jws” and their teachings,weather you teach that specific doctrine/lie or not. Choosing not to teach it because its a lie,does not absolve a person of shared guilt of the orgs spreading lies by going D2D. “why pretend that it is an issue?” Are you kidding? LIES are a major issue…Lies are from satan…and 1914 is from satan. So it is an issue.

        What you are saying is that someone who loves Jah,should tolerate lies…and represent an organisation that teaches lies…but not teach those specific lies. If you are a prophet as you claim,then you would have no hesitation is saying “Flee” from a place of Lies as Christ did. Teleologist asked you a legitimate question about a lie being taught and how to cope with that because he has a problem with lies as you should…and you cant even see that associating yourself within lies means sharing in the sins of those lies. Revelation 18:4,Jer 51:45.

        • ewatchman

          It sounds like you got it all figured out.

          • Jahsdisciple

            So why dont you answer teleologist question? You give people advice to stay within an organisation base on lies,yet dont tell them how to reconcile their love of God and Truth with Lies taught there. Are you saying its OK to tolerate lies?

            • D34D 4L!3N

              is Jehovah tolerating lies? does Jehovah say to stay in the organisation?

            • ewatchman

              Jahsdisciple: I have given JW’s the scriptural basis for expecting Jehovah to set matters straight. So, you don’t have to do anything, as far as leaving or setting up a new religion based on your version of the truth. The coming of Christ in the immediate future is going to take care of all of that, and much, much more.

            • Jahsdisciple

              What possible “scriptural basis” is there for tolerating lies,which Jah detests?

              You are NOT addressing this point about KNOWN lies within “jws” and sharing the scriptural guilt of staying in a place where YOU KNOW lies are taught. Did you read the verses about how He feels about lies? Here is another.Eph 4:25. So if one loves truth as “teleologist” does,what does he do? Christ says “flee”…you say stay. Christ didnt say flee and form another religion,He just said “flee” to the “mountains” of spiritual Israelites who had already left.

            • ewatchman

              You might have some sort of mental block or perhaps a learning deficiency, but the fact is, I have written dozens of articles, a book in fact, detailing Jehovah’s intention to put himself into judgment with the people who bear his name. In fact, the front page of this website lays it out, regarding the prophecy in the 13th chapter of Ezekiel where God denounces those who have promoted false visions and foretold a lie and who have waited to have their word come true. It speaks very pointedly to the leadership of the Watchtower and the whole 1914 delusion. And according to God the men who promote lies will no longer continue to be among the people in whom he confides.

              So, just because you wish to be ignorant concerning Jehovah’s judgments, don’t try to put your ignorance off on me.

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              He/she has learning deficiency or simply arrogance I guess. The 1914 false parousia has been in place for more than a century now and you made it very clear in your Bible based articles how God had “allowed this delusion to exist” within his own organization so as to test the faith of His people and to judge those who did not love the truth. This person doesn’t even think at all that’s the problem. He/she wants you to tell them that we are now free to abandon meetings and disregard the Bible’s advice to encourage one another. They probably have trashed the whole idea of preaching too! Or perhaps they want you to make a sect for them so that they could feel comfortable because there won’t be any need for the 1914 doctrine. But the problem that they are missing is that THAT IS NOW HOW JEHOVAH INTENDS TO FIX THE MATTER. He Has already voiced out in detail how he is going to set matters straight through the Bible and the articles that you have written. That alone should be more than enough to give people who want to please God peace of mind. But what they want is to fix it themselves, their own way which is not in accordance with the Bible. IT IS AFTER ALL, JEHOVAH’S ORGANIZATION, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH IT HE WILL DEAL WITH IT HIMSELF!- That is the point they are missing. If some feel like they cannot stomach and stand the 1914 doctrine and they want to forsake the meetings for that reason it is their free will to do so but they cannot expect you to tell them to do that cause clearly that is not what God expects of us. Unless of course for those of us who have no choice but to leave under special circumstances. JW are still Jehovah’s people, but it is under the operation of error through the man of lawlessness- which Jehovah Himself has ALLOWED to exist for a PURPOSE.

            • Ed

              How you could be still so eager to preach and bring new one to org if you know that it’s days or numbered ?
              Org will not be satisfied if you will only preach the kingdom and bring the new ones to the Christ and Jehovah.This org need and wants to baptize them in associations with them!So according to their own teaching you can’t be a Cristian in good standing unless you don’t accept us=org.
              Maybe I’m one of those arrogant with learning deficiency as well ?

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              Yes I totally agree with you Ed! You are one of those who are arrogant and also a very PRESUMPTUOUS person. Did I ever say that I was preaching house to house with JWs or forcing our RVs and Bible Students to go to the meetings and get baptized while accepting the 1914 doctrine? I have been officially out of the congregation since 2012! What are you saying? But knowing the fallacy of the 1914 doctrine does not make everything the organization has been teaching, a lie! Most of what the org is teaching as regards to basic bible doctrines are correct. You should know that by now. We preach because the Bible says in Romans chapter 10 that the reason we are preaching is to announce Jehovah’s name to the people. Don’t you know that? You come here and question me like some smart guy when you don’t even know the basics of the Bible? ” For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However,
              how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in
              turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in
              turn, will they hear without someone to preach?” I research and compile proof about God’s name from the internet. I
              include some bible verses that show the importance of knowing and using
              the name such as what is found in Psalms 91 “God said: “Because he has affection for me, I will rescue him.
              I will protect him because he knows my name.”
              I also include a summary about what will happen in the near future (the
              four horsemen of apocalypse, great tribulation, mark of the beast,
              Armageddon and paradise) and have them printed out. We even compile news about World War 3 and economic collapse and finance the printing with our own money cause most of our students/ RVs are mere minimum wage slaves who work from day to night with almost no vacation so they dont have much freedom to research on their own so we take the responsibility to ourselves to inform them of what’s happening in the world. I inform them about
              the requirements that we Christians have to fulfill but I also inform
              them about the errors in the organization, the man of lawlessness and I
              let them decide. Is informing people of God’s name and current events a crime now? What
              kind of standards do you have? Haven’t you read my previous comments when I stated that we refuse to lead our students to believe a lie and so no matter how confusing and complicated it may sound, we go to extra lengths to inform our students about the existence of a man of lawlessness in God’s temple. NOW PREACHING GOD’S NAME and THE FUTURE PARADISE IS BAD. According to you… So what does that make you Ed? You can add “judgmental” to the list.

            • Ed

              Seem like you know me better than people who been around me whole my life :-). At least your first sentence show lots of christian grace for me and for my fist reaction under your comment.I asked you simple and personal question and I didn’t offend you by single word.Your reaction is has different flavor.I wish you lot of success in all things you do.peace

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              This was the last sentence of your “judgmental” comment towards us – So now that I answered it, I am unchristian? What is more unchristian than questioning ones eagerness in the preaching work???

            • Jahsdisciple

              As soon as someone exposes you as having no real scriptural guidance,and you dont like that…out come the insults. Yes,i must have a “mental block or perhaps a learning deficiency” because YOU say its OK that lies are acceptable in our sacred worship to Jah. Someone asked you how to reconcile this dilemma of following your advice and how that means tolerating lies in our worship…and you dont have an answer. Thats because there are no scriptures which say we should tolerate lies. What you say,is NOT what Jah says!

              As for your other writings and false prophetic explanations/predictions,they come from the same place as your advice about accepting/tolerating lies while being a “jw” and trying to worship Jah acceptably.

              Do you really think Jah is going to give someone true prophetic understandings,if that same person says to those trying to worship in truth:“tolerate lies”?! Lies in any form,are not acceptable in our worship to Jah.. You keep justifying that position,which is NOT Gods view of lies and the GB who teach them. The fact that you say someone should stay in a place of lies,makes you an accomplice to those lies. Anyone listening to your NON Bible counsel will end up in with the same judgement as yourself for giving such terrible advice to people trying to do the right thing in their relationship with Jah.

              The Lies within “jws” defame Gods name,but you say tolerate what defames Gods name! Leviticus 19:11-12,Proverbs 12:22,Proverbs 19:9,Psalm 5:6,Psalm 101:7,Nahum 3:1,Revelation 21:8,Revelation 22:15,John 8:44.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              someone needs a chill-pill

            • ewatchman

              Dude, I been at this a long time. I know your game. Your concern for the truth is as phony as your handle. You are going to have to go elsewhere to recruit suckers to join your sect of Jah’s Witnesses.

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              LOL This is so true!!! They pose as supposedly concerned servants of God but all they really want to do is try to paint you in a bad light. Too bad they always fail!

            • You will say anything so you dont have to address the real issue. You have told people to stay within jws,even though its based on lies. People who love truth have asked how to reconcile the lies there,with their love of Jah and truth…and you have no answer. And after many replies you still wont answer how they do that.

              You are an Angel of Satan in the war within Anointed Heaven.Revelation 12;7.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              no, thats is wrong. Jehovah has told his witnesses to stay together. Robert is applying that and you should too. it does not matter if the majority of Jehovah’s sheep are decived by a delusion, that is only more reason for those who are not in error to stick around so when things dont add up to those in error we can help.

              if you start your own clan, thats not what Jehovah said to do.

              if you actully believe you will find a Hall that is perfect with no lies or that you can make one as such, then your fooling yourself csuse it aint gunna happen. Jesus is going to fix all the missunderstandings and correct those that lie an in course over a thousand years it will take even him that long to get that done.

              BTW, its obvious you are also in error. think about what that mrans. And also, carful who you judge calling and angel of Satan.

            • ewatchman

              Paul said that any man who promotes a sect is self-condemned. So, you done it to yourself, Greg. No amount of flailing and arm-waving can change it. I would admonish you to give it up and wait on “Jah” to set matters straight.

            • D34D 4L!3N

              well i sure have a learning deficiency and hooked on e-Watchman worked for me

            • Ed

              With my whole respect for you Br. Rob.I think and fell you first sentence is insulting in your replay to Jahdisciple.
              I have to say I’m disappointed you choose such words.I would not expect this from you.He/She return strong words to you as well bellow.Gratuitousness wasn’t present some reason…words season with salt….anyhow only perfect man can bridle his tongue …and I’m not perfect either.

            • Jonah Peter Paul

              Mr. Smarty-Pants attacks again!!!! Whooohoo yes we should all bow to you because you seem to know all right?

            • e.v.g

              that was heavier than my sharona with testosterona.

            • Ed

              Nobody never bow down to me and you will not either.peace

        • Song of Hannah

          I don’t think you have a learning disability. Far from it, I think you are angry at what you are seeing, and rightly so. But I want to share some things that helped me get perspective on the whole situation. Perhaps it will help you too.

          Hophni & Phinehas were priests in the temple of Jehovah, men wicked as can be. You can read about them at 1 Samuel 2:12-17, 22-25. Imagine trying to offer your sacrifice to Jehovah, with men the likes of them, stabbing at it? But the big question I asked myself was, with such blasphemous disrespect going on in his temple, did I ever hear Jehovah commanding the people to sacrifice elsewhere? No, never.

          While David was leader over Israel, he committed adultery, and then connived to get the innocent mate killed! In our situation today, it would be as if a member of the GB did the same thing. Or what about King Manasseh? Surely the sins of causing his own sons to be burned alive in sacrifice to a false god, was enough evidence to prove things! Yet, do I ever read of Jehovah encouraging his faithful people to serve him elsewhere? No, tried as I may, I read the Bible cover-to-cover, and never have.

          In fact, the true prophets of Jehovah saw the same sinful conduct among God’s leadership then, that we are seeing today…

          Isaiah said at 59:13 “We have transgressed and denied Jehovah; We have turned our backs on our God. We have spoken of oppression and revolt; We have conceived lies and muttered false words from the heart”

          In Lamentations 2:14, the people pray in song, “The visions your prophets saw for you were false and empty, And they did not expose your error in order to turn away your captivity, But they kept visioning for you false and misleading pronouncements.”

          At Jeremiah 14:14 he records “Jehovah then said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or commanded them or spoken to them. A lying vision and a worthless divination and the deceit of their own heart is what they are prophesying to you.

          With all these false and lying prophets infesting his organization, do we ever read of Jehovah’s telling the people to leave, ‘go serve me under a different organization’? No. Even under these terrible conditions, if we wanted to worship Jehovah, we had to submit to his organizational arrangement at the time, imperfect as the leadership was. (And is it not true, that since all men, no matter how faithful, at one time or another lie, any organization containing imperfect men being tempted by Satan 24/7, is going to be fraught with that very problem.)

          However, we know, that in the end, Jehovah righted things. He did so in the past, so we can be confident he will do so in the future. We as humans very often see things in black & white, and it is difficult for us to deal with ambiguity for any length of time. But faith in Jehovah, and getting a clear perspective by reading his word every day, can help us endure until we as a people receive the discipline we so greatly need!

          • Thankyou for your kind concern. I am NOT angry. I write and speak very matter of factly…and that can be misconstrued on the net.

            There is one major and serious flaw in your reasoning. The nation of Israel had direct lineage to Moses and the laws handed to him by Jah. Were any of the 10 commandments or laws spelt out in the early Hebrew bible books lies? No! NOT ONE. So no lies were ever handed down through the Mosaic laws and Priests, whose job it was to make sure Jah laws,commandments and prophecies were handed down without alteration,right to the end in 70ce.

            This is very different from “jws”. Right from the beginning there were lies. The lie of 1914 was almost from the beginning and many other prophetic lies also. If “jws” are Gods organisation in the same manner as Israel…and “JWs” are the parallel of ancient Israel in modern times,then NO LIE would ever have been handed down…if what is handed down is from God. But in modern times,since the orgs founding,UNfaithful ANOINTED Priests within it,have handed down Prophetic lies. How many generations/groups of Anointed is that,handing down the lies about 1914? Many.

            So the parallel between ancient Israel and the modern org claiming to be Gods is utter lies. “Jws” never had Prophetic truth from its outset. Ancient Israel did have Prophetic Truth,which was seen in the many prophecies that Jesus fulfilled, because scriptural Truth was preserved because it was there from the beginning,which was gained from Jah who does not lie.

            Prophetic “truth” from “jws” ABOUT CHRIST has been nothing but lies from its beginning. The current GB is repeating the same lies Anointed have been saying within “jws” for over 100 years about Christ. They say His Kingdom was born in 1914. Yet it only takes 3 scriptures from the “kingdom interlinear” printed by the Gb to prove they are prophetic liars about Christ and Gods Kingdom being Born.

            The ancient nation of Israel had the Hebrew scriptures and the prophecies about Christ. ALL of them cane true. If “jws” really are Gods organisation like Israel and the modern parallel of ancient Israel,then why have their prophetic explanations about “Christ’s Kingdom”,proved false and lies for over 100 years?!

            So you cannot say that ancient Israel is anything like “jws”…and therefore we should tolerate its lies or Unfaithfulness of Anointed within the leadership of the GB. “JWs” are NOT the modern day parallel of ancient Israel as an organisation directed by Jah which can be seen by the Prophetic Lies about Christ alone,which have been there from its founding…and handed down by UNfaithful Anointed priests.

            • Baruq

              I do not think that the movement begun with a lie. I think that Russell and company started with a lot of sincerity and were absolutely sure of the date of 1914 as the end of the system of things and that 1874 was the year of Christ’s return. It was an error, not a lie. I believe that when they saw that the prophecies has not been realized as their thought, they were confused and did not accept that they made a mistake. Surely Rutherford was a proud man and could not say “we made an error”. Only when he was about to die he recognize that he has said idiocy about 1925, as Ray Franz narrate in his book! After him, GB continued to teach 1914 because they were not enough humble to accept to change the teaching. After all, billions of pages have been blackened with words about Jesus’ return in 1914. Now GB is in a dead end street. How can they, after a century, change all the teachings and run the risk to lose millions of disciples and the money that goes with?

            • D34D 4L!3N


            • Ed

              Well said ,however at some point at time the old sincere mistake repeated itself few time in few other forms and formulation so the sincere mistakes multiply which is still normal for imperfect men leadership.The problem start when nobody is willing to stop this “operation of error” because of fear,shame lost of authority etc…thus sincere mistakes becoming transform to insincere semi truths later lies.decades pass ,centuries and here we are carrying all our spiritual inheritance as mix of truths and lies or who knows what….RC and other churches had similar genesis of their own on grad scale …I thing we did better but fail as well…

            • e.v.g

              What would be the solution to this dilemma according to your perspective?
              Kick out the GB, joining to another religion, start my own religion, sit down and eat my popcorns with my zero coke as I watch highway to heaven?
              please answer.

            • Ed

              Why do not think out of box?
              Why we can’t serve Jah & Jesus and stand out of box.
              We don’t have to go nowhere we just have to make sure we do worship in the truth.Religious affiliation come as secondary for salvation so whether in or out we should be fine if we met the criteria impose on true Christians.
              Br.Robert is one of examples he is not in because he can’t be wit his mind set.I do not advocate to leave for others.I myself I’m still formally in but my mind and heat is out of the box=org.Everybody has to deal with this dilemma on it’s own and when the time come that we will have to disassociate with our .org even formally than we will have to do it.Just my humble opinion.

            • e.v.g

              Sooner or later we have to face persecution, i am not thinking just in me probably i could help some brothers or sisters, i don’t know. Only serves Jehovah with the means arranged. Jesus came to an apostate nation, he is the example to follow, love is the answer, love Jehovah and your neighbour. That is the challenge.

            • Ed

              yap !

            • Ed

              Good response logical thanks !

          • Erik

            I believe it should also be noted that out relationship with Jehovah is independent of what the organization or the GB does or will do. In fact, we know that this is what is going to test our faith in the future. Therefore, regardless of what they do (or not do) we need to stay close to Jehovah by being faithful to His instructions and principals. One should be careful not to allow anyone or anything to separate our loyalty to what we know is right.

          • jacob

            Song of Hanna,

            Each time God’s people refused to do things HIS way, they suffered, as a people and as individuals. The first error that JWs hold is that an organization is necessary to worship God, and if it isn’t the WT, there must be SOME earthly organization that God blesses.

            Stephen, before being stoned, said:
            “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says: “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord.
            Or where will my resting place be? Has not my hand made all these things?’ “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.” Acts 7:48-53

            When Saul didn’t do what the prophet Samuel told him to do, he was REMOVED as King. Samuel gave him explicit directions, yet he followed them only partially. Interesting what his words were in HIS defense in1 Sam 15:20 – “But I did obey the Lord” Saul said. “I went on the mission the Lord assigned me.”

            “But Samuel replied: ‘Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the Lord? To OBEY is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you as king.’” 1 Sam 20:20,22,23

            If we are to flee from idolatry and lies, what is holding those in the organization back from doing so? We individually stand before God and are responsible INDIVIDUALLY for answering to him, not as a group. Rom 14:10 This is why only a remnant were to come out of Babylon; only those who acted on the counsel to flee. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their idolatry, lies, and arrogance. After preaching to the “lost cities of Israel” to CALL OUT sinners, he left them, as did his apostles.

            Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 1 Cor 10:14

            If a ruler listens to lies, all his officials become wicked. Prov 29:12

            Your obligation is to serve the Father and His Son, in the spirit and in the truth. This says nothing about your obligation to an earthly organization. God is not going to remodel the Watchtower, not when the foundation is built upon lies.

            But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matt 9:13

            All in the WT are sinners if they continue to listen and take part in lies and idolatry. Robert King is an anointed who was oppressed and disfellowshipped under an elder rule deemed greater in spiritual provision than any chosen one. He, as an individual was trampled as part of the Body of Christ, but I wonder if he realizes this, or what an abomination this circumstance is to the Father and Christ. Matt 24:15 When this is realized, we are told to flee, just on that account alone. Lump that with lying doctrine, idolatry to an organization that supplies salvation above and beyond Christ and the Father, and I question anyone’s intention to stick it out.

            The organization teaches that this is Satan’s “short period of time”, yet it escapes their notice that Satan’s wickedness can appear as an angel of light….this, with an open mouth seeking to devour….ESPECIALLY, Christ’s seed which is now under the rule of a Wicked Slave bent on silencing any who are in opposition to its teachings. Robert King is the perfect example.

            “Then I heard another voice from heaven say: ‘Come out of her, MY PEOPLE,’
            so that you will not SHARE in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues” Rev 18:4

            • Ed

              Jacob thanks I do fully share your sentiments and opinion !

    • patri

      …And what would we say when asked point blank by a fellow JW how do we feel about the governing body? I would say that I believe the Christ is the head of the congregation. I believe he has appointed a F&D slave to feed the domestics the truth, and that any truth coming from the governing body I will accept.
      Our sister MMW had an answer to the 1914 dilemma I remember. She commented that if the public talk was concerning 1914, she attended the meeting a little later. Any magazines featuring 1914 she replaced with older out of date issues. Where there’s a will…
      After two years rest and recuperation I’ve decided to return to the kingdom hall. “Get out of Babylon the Great” isn’t indicated right at this moment, so back to the ” brood of vipers” I tread. I plan to be as “cautious as a serpent” as Jesus so wisely advised, but as ” innocent as a dove”, so say little unless backed by God’s word. Your prayers would be very much appreciated. Thankyou.
      And thank you Robert for giving me the strength. 😀

    • sunset

      If i wasnt ill i would go to my return visit and give them the ewatchman site….of course they might reveal to another witness you gave them the site. So descression, prayer, forthought needed. Because i am single, ill, and alone, i usually witness alone. So i can place literature and give e-watchmans web address….i give out the address every chance i get, which unfortunately is not often due to my struggle to stay alive. I have a close friend, thanks to Jehovah isn’t opposed to ewatchman. Though he doesn’t really fallow the sight. I throw out bits of info to sisters or brothers that don’t cause conflict, but hopefully provoke thought. Because i hope Jehovah will let me live so i can be of help who want it when the time is right.

  • Sam

    Thank you for the podcast Robert. Always refreshing… glad to have these coming more regularly 😀

  • Ken Rosenberg

    The baptism questions don’t ask about 1914. FYI.

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