Former JW elder arrested for child abuse

//Former JW elder arrested for child abuse

COMMENTARY: The police say they have no evidence that Gorski abused anyone “in the church.” And that is to be expected, given the fact that the Watchtower has a long-standing policy of suppressing the reporting of crimes committed against the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Even if a JW child had been abused the authorities may not have been notified. Since the elder was removed obviously the congregation had reason to remove him. The harmfulness of that policy is underscored in this instance, in that, the accused was not only an elder, but he was a school teacher as well. Reporting an alleged crime committed by a man who works with children would probably trigger increased scrutiny of him and may have prevented others from being abused. After all, communities make the identities of registered sexual predators known for the welfare of people in the community. Of course, the Watchtower is not at all concerned about protecting children from sexual predators. They are only concerned about protecting the image of the organization as a spirit paradise and primarily protecting their coffers from lawsuits by pedophiles. 


A former Long Beach school teacher was arrested last week after authorities received a report about sexual abuse alleged to have occurred from 2007 to 2009, police announced Thursday.

Jason Gorski, 43, surrendered to Buena Park police on June 21 and was booked on suspicion of sex crimes with a child under 14 and continuous sexual abuse of a child, according to Sgt. Mike Lovchik. Gorski worked as the boy’s school teacher and as an elder within their Jehovah’s Witness church congregation in Cypress, police said.

“We have no evidence at this point that any crimes occurred in the church or at the school,” Lovchik said.

Police were contacted by a man who said he was abused from 2007 to 2009, from the ages of 12 to 15, authorities said. It came to an end when it was reported to the church, but it was only recently reported to authorities, police said.

The crimes reportedly occurred in Buena Park, Lovchik said. Gorski remains free on $100,000 bail, he said.

A man who answered the phone at the Cypress congregation and who refused to identify himself said Gorski was no longer part of the congregation and declined to comment further.

“I’m not allowed to give out any information regarding him,” he said.

Gorski worked as a school teacher at Southwestern Longview Private School for approximately three to four years and his employment ended in April 2007. The school permanently closed at the end of the school year in June 2007, police said.

Gorski attended the Cypress congregation for several years and was appointed as an elder of the congregation in May 2007. After the disclosure to the church in 2009, police said, Gorski was removed as an elder but continued to attend services.

Sometime around 2010, Gorski relocated to South Carolina and became a part of a nearby Jehovah’s Witness congregation, police said. It is unclear whether police arrested Gorski in South Carolina.

“Over the years, many children have been exposed to Gorski, specifically during his time as a school teacher and church leader,” police said. “It is believed that additional victims may exist who have not yet reported their abuse to authorities.”

People with knowledge of any abuse by Gorski are asked to contact Buena Park police at 714-562-3963.


2016-12-08T15:10:10+00:00 July 1st, 2016|JW News|48 Comments
  • Despicable

    • Beverly kenyon

      So true Joseph. And I’ll add vile, disgusting, ugly monster! They say there’s a paedophile lurking on every street corner. Paedophile are predators, always looking for vulnerable prey. And that is what the WT with their mis-placed two witness rule are sacrificing their children up to. A witness friend of mine, a mother herself when I told her of my horror at the child sex abuse that’s happened and happening in the congregations, she without any emotion said parents should be more diligent and aware about keeping an eye on their children at meetings. How disgusting, vile and cold to blame the parents when they’re told repeatedly from the platform they’re in a spiritual paradise, implying everyone is happy and safe when in fact they could be sitting next to a predator who’s eyeing up their child as prey. So long as it’s someone else’s child,eh! Beyond disgusting. Paedophiles can never be cured or rehabilitated. They are repeat offenders who will keep practising their vile crimes against children until they’re dead!

      • Joyce Haze

        Unbelievable! This two witness rule is nothing more than a PROTECTION to the perpetrator of these horrific crimes against children. I’m sure someone intent on harming/destroying a child is certainly not going to provide a witness to his utterly immoral act!!!!

        • Beverly kenyon

          Precisely. How wicked and irrational to implement the two witness rule regarding these horrific crimes. The ultimate betrayal! Surely there’s a duty of care towards every single person who step inside a Kingdom Hall. Before being guided to Brother King’s site I thought there would be no consequences and they would get away with being complicit but Brother King has pointed out from the bible that they ARE going to suffer the consequences of every innocent victim they betrayed and failed to protect. They need to review that two witness rule because it’s that exact thing that paedophile predators are exploiting.

        • Joyce Haze

          To go to any means to protect an organization at any cost. We may need to ask ourselves in truth, who do we fear………men or Jehovah God. I guess just a little food for thought!!!

        • Michael Ray

          To be fair, the two witness rule as applied by JW’s has been misrepresented by outsiders. The rule is based upon Deuteronomy 19:15 and 1 Timothy 5:19. It is designed to protect someone from false allegations. If it is a “he said, she said” and there is no other evidence, then even under man’s law, the accused is free to go. This is not unreasonable. In the U.S. we are given the presumption of innocence. I suspect this is the idea behind the scriptures. However, if there is physical evidence such as body fluids or other scientific evidence, JW’s will consider that to be the ‘second witness’ and sufficient to establish guilt. Also, the second witness can be a second allegation from a different victim. So the ‘two witness rule’ has be misunderstood. However, one could argue that as such, it is vital that ALL allegations be reported to law enforcement so that crime scene technology can be used to discover additional physical evidence.

          • W.B. Anon

            Yes: physical evidence is the point. Now, as opposed to 2,000 years ago, we have, you know, science. Forensic science, forensic psychology which understands how these sick freaks groom and manipulate their victims to make them believe that it’s their fault, to shame them into silence, is what they didn’t have when the “two witness rule” was written, and it’s not a “law.” It’s a principle, but when child rapists are involved, that changes the dynamic. No one is going to rape a kid in front of a witness.

            • Michael Ray

              The “two-witness rule” is not really the issue though. It they accepted one witness, they still: 1.) would not contact police (leaving it solely to the parents & victim) 2.) would not warn congregants of the presence of a child molester within the congregation 3.) would still permit known child molester to go in door-to-door ministry. Those are the primary flaws in the JW policy.

  • Volcanic

    Shame on him & also the GB for tolerating this abuse, this should not be happening at all. I have nothing to add to Joseph & Beverlys’ comments, it’s just too unspeakable!

  • Shelley.

    I have only been studying for a short time but is there not a scripture that talks about a woman being raped out in the field where no one can here her cries.There is no two witness rule there.

    • Song of Hannah

      Yep. Totally agree with you. But they discount that scripture by saying, the guilt of the person had already been established, and that was just instructions of what to do afterwards. Where they got that idea is anyone’s guess. ?

      • Shelley.

        It’s crazy to me how they can ignore some scriptures and cherry pick scriptures to support their nonsense.They covered up these disgusting acts supposedly so that no reproach would be brought on Jehovah. If you ask me I think if they would have turned these sick persons over to the proper authorities showing the public that this was absolutely not acceptable to Jehovah, it would have saved tens of thousands of innocent victims and would have brought praise to Jehovah’s name.

    • theres Tamar, at 2-Samuel. start at ch13

  • Shelley.

    The question I keep asking myself , If the GB is and have been all along fully aware of the horrific crimes committed against these innocent children and kept it hidden How can they be anointed brothers ?

  • Joyce Haze

    A child must have someone to testify in their be half that they have been violated. So in essence they are guilty of the offense until they can prove their innocence, in the mean time the perpetrator walks free and the child lives out their lives feeling betrayed by all those they trusted in the Christian congregation!!!

  • Darren Wilks

    Makes me think the GB have peadophile thoughts or tendancies. How could they think its right to let peadophiles go unpunished?? They surely know this is a terrible sin against our children that causes them pain for the rest of their lives!! How could anyone not be disgusted by something like this? Gross!!!

    • Song of Hannah

      Both my husband & I believe that there are likely pedophiles very high up in the Organization. First, because of their absolute refusal to turn over the list of them to the authoirties. And secondly, because of their insistance in retaining the last word, in allowing some pedophiles to hold office “under special circumstaces”. If and when the authorities finally get a hold of that list and publish it, I hate to think what the fallout will be… it would surely be a huge test for any of those following men.

      • Shelley.

        You are probably very right about how high up the ladder this goes but I think it is unlikely that a list with their names will ever be published. Their refusal to turn these documents over and dragging their heels is to buy themselves time to destroy evidence and edit what they eventually turn over.Only Jehovah will ever know the real truths.I read somewhere that all elders have received instructions to destroy any reports they may have in their possession concerning child sexual abuse. I don’t know how these elders didn’t throw up when Lett was so upset about all the apostate lies. I struggled so hard not to be turned away from Jehovah with all this knowledge.It must be extremely faith testing for a large number of these elders.

        • Song of Hannah

          I think you are right Shelly. They may even have deluded themselves into thinking it is worth martyering themsleves over.

      • W.B. Anon

        Just this week WT lost its appeal over the $4000-a day-sanction for contempt of court. How’s that for protecting pedophiles?

        By and large, members aren’t rich: this is where the hard-earned donations of members are going… to pay $4,000 a day for contempt of court, for refusing to hand over documentation which identifies pedophile members. Absolutely disgusting and inexcusable. I hope the FBI raids the headquarters to seize those documents, and the others they allegedly have concealed which list thousands of potential child sex predators, arrests and prosecutes anyone implicated in this cover up for obstruction of justice and initiates a federal investigation, seizing their property to pay their sex abuse victims, It’s house-cleaning time.

        • KB

          Isn’t this fine accruing?

          • KB

            I guess I should of read the article first. Yes it’s Accuruing. This could be a big problem for them. They think they are above the law. Jehovah is very disappointed in this organization I believe.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I understand that the reason they are happy to pay the fine is because it’s cheaper than giving the court the names and exposing themselves to wipe-out damages.

            • KB

              I guess it depends on how you look at it. I don’t think the fine is being paid. They are ignoring a court order. Which is not respecting the superior authority’s.
              New World Translation
              Ro 13:1
              13Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

              They want it both ways. No fine and not giving up the information. I hope all JWs find out what’s going on. I also want all the governing body members to be in prison in solitary confinement. Some shunning would do them some good, a little well deserved discipline from Jehovah.

            • Craig

              Matthew 5:25,26

              “Be quick to settle matters with your legal opponent, while you are with him on the way there, so that somehow the opponent may not turn you over to the judge, and the judge to the court attendant, and you get thrown into prison. I say to you for a fact, you will certainly not come out of there until you have paid over your last small coin.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              it’s obvious that the Watchtower thinks that they are already ruling as kings and in fact when they disregard scriptures like in Romans chapter 13 it’s as if they’re telling Jehovah how to conductand his affairs by going beyond the things that were actually written, I tell you it’s truly appalling and none-the-less disgusting ,because on one hand they claim to support the Bible yet on the other hand they go clearly against scriptures.
              Yes that’s exactly what the Apostle Paul was dealing with. Read more>

            • Burt Reynolds

              Certainly if anything can be presumed of the governing body it is as you have shown at Romans ch 13 v 5 where it speaks of the need to acknowledge ones very conscience…’wherefore you must needs be subject not only for wrath, but for conscience sake…’. I’m not sure, though I admit, the division is as thin as bone and marrow, that they already view themselves as ruling as kings, though their very disposition and showy displays of authority and arrogance would suggest that they do. My opinion would suggest, to me at least, that they act against their conscience in either ignorance, or in fear.

              They have gone too far haven’t they. They have left themselves no room for manoeuvre due to their ignorance in prophesy, which in turn, was fed to them by their predecessors in their bid to create urgency, unity, hope and sadly, self importance. This is ably demonstrated by both Rutherford and Franz.

              We all, giving any benefit of doubt to everyone, joined as desirous of serving Jehovah, and many as we see, have become corrupt for power and self ,importance and thus will now do any act to preserve face, and to do that, rather than throw themselves on their swords as the Japanese were wont to do in war rather than face surrender, they corrupt the word of Jehovah as you point out in a vain attempt to preserve their right to say to Jesus ‘did we not serve you…? The scriptures suggest there would be this excuse given.

              They say that they cover over these abuses in the need to not sully the name of Jehovah, but by doing so, ignore what we must assume they still have, their consciences, because unless they are truly psychotic, they must be aware of the truth of what they do, thus the illustration of verse 5 perhaps. I’m no scholar on the subject. In their frailty of insight, faith and learning, when set aside against the wrath of Jehovah, they prefer instead to lean on the utterance that they were ‘only doing their best’ or as the bible says, ‘ …did we not serve thee!?’

              It may be that we, as witnesses, may feel they act as kings, but to the onlooker, they are as the Court describe them, ‘recalcitrant defendants, confused and contradictory in their defense’ I think the term was. Perhaps it is in direct opposition to Jesus that we will come to see their assumed kingship, I don’t know, but in view of recent revelations of their wrongdoing here, I feel there is far, far more to be revealed, than the mere embryo we see now, disgusting though it is. Hopefully, some may yet change.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I’m not exactly sure of what the governing body in general are thinking or what their ultimate goal is concerning being in subjection to the superior authorities but all this lawlessness surely indicates that there is a man of lawlessness at the Helm of the Watchtower and when Jesus comes in his authentic parousia he will surely blow him away with a breath of his mouth.

              so I can only go by what the Apostle Paul had indicated when he said”

              Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth+ and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness. Man of lawlessness (Read more>

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes that’s true Kevin. There is a man of lawlessness present at this moment. It is becoming very plain to see in an almost daily exposure of the obstinacy off the watchtower and instances where they draw others into their wrongdoing. I wonder if that brother ‘helper’ knew the real reason he was ‘privileged’ to give that talk on the two witness rule. I didn’t think of it at the time, but if one were to look at it from a legal standpoint as far as the justice system may view it, the governing body could be seen as not in defiance of the law by using a ‘patsy’. At least, that is what their arguement may be, because I expect that their broadcast unit does not come under their direct control and they are ‘just the programme makers’, or some such excuse. In something as important as doctrinal guidance and confirmation of such publically, when have the self important governing body NOT been at the forefront in proclaiming it? Now they seemingly cower in the background. One has to ask why. I actually feel sorry for that helper….we all know the scenario of offering ‘privileges’, ‘being used’ ( that takes on a whole new flavour!)’ being ‘mature’ and ‘taking the lead’. The poor man probably felt he was serving Jehovah. ‘Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.’

    • Burt Reynolds

      Darren where are you? I’ve not seen any posts from you of late. I hope you’re well. Maybe I’ve just missed your comments. ???

  • Daniel

    I remember as they (elders) were saying, the most important premise was to keep the congregation “clean” for whatever costs.
    This could be one alternative explanation, why the GB was for all costs (even two witnesses rule plays here in) trying to hide every evidence for child abuse for so long. And this matter is (also) very unluckily connected to 1914, as Christ was supposed to have cleansed the congregation back then. So IMO the child abuse is not primarily connected to GB as if they would allow it, but just for the sake of trying to save the doctrine of the clean congregation, which is again so terribly connected to the fairy tale about 1914 as many other things. They just sacrificed them (children) because of the agenda, just to make appearance, everything is fine in the congregation..

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Arrest such person those who abuse children within the congregation.

  • Srecko Sostar

    PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO The Jehovah’s Witnesses and Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Australia LTD
    Case Study 29 – The 29th public hearing of the Royal Commission was held in Sydney from 27 July to 5 August 2015 and on 14 August 2015.

    Here is some established facts. More stronger than reading this is to watch live (video recorded) what representatives of WT were spoke, by voice and by body talking.

    53.SINCE 1950, Watchtower Australia has RECORDED allegations, reports or complaints of child sexual abuse against 1,006 MEMBERS of the JW organisation in Australia.

    54.Those recorded allegations, reports or complaints relate to AT LEAST 1,800 alleged victims of child sexual abuse.

    55.THE FILES RECORD that 579 of those against whom allegations were made CONFESSED to having commited child sexual abuse,

    56.Of 1,006 members against whom allegations of child sexual abuse were made, 108 were elders or ministerial servants at the time of the first instance of alleged abuse. The files do not reveal how many of the alleged perpetrators were elders or ministerial servants at the time of any subsequent instances of alleged child sexual abuse. The files record that 28 alleged perpetrators were appointed as elders or ministerial servants AFTER having been the subject of an allegation of child sexual abuse.

    57.Finally, the files record that 401 alleged perpetrators were disfellowshipped in relation to an allegation of child sexual abuse, and that 230 of those alleged perpetrators were subsequently reinstated. Of those disfellowshipped, 78 were disfellowshipped on MORE THAN ONE occasion in relation to an allegation of child sexual abuse.

    58.Mr Spinks (elder) pointed out that while he did not wish to diminish the SIGNIFICANCE of the number of alleged perpetrators identified in the case files, 199 of the 1,006 alleged perpetrators were not JW at the time of the FIRST REPORTED allegation. He however accepted that it „was probably true“ that the 199 alleged perpetrators identified in the case files went on to become JW, and that in many cases they were the subject of SUBSEQUENT ALLEGATIONS of child sexual abuse while they were JW.

    59.Mr Toole (elder) told the Royal Commision that for approximately the LAST TWO YEARS he has been responsible for receiving telephonecalls from congregational elders about allegations of child sexual abuse on behalf Legal Department. He estimated that, over that period, he had received and continues to receive „THREE, SOMETIMES FOUR“ CALLS EACH MONTH.

    60.Mr Toole’s evidence as to frequency of calls regarding child sexual abuse is consistent with the number and frequency of allegations of child sexual abuse that is evidenced in the files produced to the Royal Commission.

    61.The analysis conducted by Royal Commission staff showed that of the 1.006 alleged perpetrators f child sexual abuse identified by JW organization in Australia, NOT ONE WAS REPORTED to police or other secular authority by the JW organisation (INCLUDING BY ELDERS within the organisation). With reference to the files, no instance was identified by the JW organization of an allegation having been reported by organisation to the police or other authorities.

    62.It was to Mr Toole that there is NO RECORD in the case files of an elder having EVER REPORTED an allegation of child sexual abuse to the police or secular authorities. Mr Tooleaccepted that „if that is the way the files read, I assume that must be correct“.

    63.The analysis demonstrated that 161 of the alleged perpetrators recorded in the files had nevertheless been convicted of child sexual abuse offence, indicating that in spite of it not been reported by organisation, the alleged perpetrator had still come to the attention of police.

    76.On the evidence before Royal Commission, it was not until at least 1992 that elders were given an EXPLICITE DIRECTIVE TO IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THE BRANCH OFFICE for advice if they received a report or allegation of child sexual abuse.

    77. … Instead, PAY ATTENTION 1981 advised elders that „the law on ECCLESIASTICAL PRIVILEGE in many countries DOES NOT REQUIRE elders to report the offender or the offence to secular authorities. Pay Attention 1991 suggested that the elders ENCOURAGE THE ACCUSED TO REPORT HIMSELF to authorities.

    82. …The Pay Attention 1991 handbook did not offer specific guidance as to what might constitute „minor uncleanness“.

  • Michael Ray

    As an active JW, I am ashamed when I read such stories. This issue keeps me up at night. The good news – when elders informed, the abuse stopped and perp was removed from leadership. The bad news – no one contacted police. For this I blame both the parents and elders. This in turn allowed the perpetrator to not only escape justice, but move to S. Carolina and join another congregation where he could potentially victimize more children. If allegations true, Bible principles require the congregation and Governing Body to privately and publicly apologize to this victim and offer to pay for counseling. JW leadership should implement the following policy changes IMMEDIATELY: 1. ALL allegations reported to police; 2. ALL confessions reported to police; 3) Lifetime ban from leadership and formal appointments such as pioneering; 4) Lifetime ban on participating in formal door-to-door ministry; 6) Annual public talk explaining JW policy, and allowing for questions from audience; 7) Child sex abuse policy made available in writing and given to each congregation member; 8) A 1-800 phone number given to all congregants to report allegations of abuse or questions relating to the policy. May Jehovah punish those within his organization most responsible for failing to protect the flock. Exodus 21:28-29 states: “If a bull gores a man or woman and that one dies, the bull must be stoned to death…But if a bull was in the habit of goring and its owner had been warned but he would not keep it under guard and it killed a man, the bull is to be stoned and its owner is also to be put to death.” So this moral principal says that if the elders knew a congregant had sexually abused in the past and they do not take adequate measures to prevent him from doing it again, and he abuses again, the elders are MORALLY culpable for the abuse and should be punished along with the child abuser. In my view, not contacting the police and not informing congregants of the presence of a child molester makes the organization MORALLY responsible for any resulting harm.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Well come Michael ray and good to have you with us ,that was a really excellent point about the bull.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Excellent example of the bull. I had forgotten that. What a wonderful example, straight to the heart. Lovely to have your comments here.

    • W.B. Anon

      I and my family knew this person and his family for years. I believe that I personally knew someone “within the church” that he may have been grooming, due to some suspicious behavior I myself witnessed at the KH on one occasion. I don’t know if there was any actual sexual abuse, but it was certainly sufficiently alarming for me to say something to family members, on more than one occasion. I’m interested to see how this turns out.

      • Michael Ray

        I feel it is our responsibility as JW’s to ensure that those taking the lead are accountable for their decisions. If our child sex abuse policy is failing and harming children, the we must speak out. I have written the NY branch and Gov. Body twice on this issue. I will be mailing a third letter soon. I have spoken to eight elders and one C.O. Honestly, none of them want to discuss it. Of the eight elders, only two expressed regret and sympathy for the victims. The branch replied in a letter to me and the did not answer any of my questions about the policy nor did they provide me a copy of it as I requested. This was devastating to me! So as of today, the branch feels it does not have to explain to the flock what they are doing or not doing to protect our children. This is of course unscriptural (‘lording it over the flock’) but extremely arrogant on their part. This is not ACCEPTABLE. But you know how JW’s are -“just trust the brothers taking the lead.” So discussing this with others in the congregation is like walking in a mine field. I am sooo disappointed!

      • Det T. Franssen

        WB Anon… please contact Detective Franssen with the Buena Park Police Department at 714-562-3963. I’m seeking information on the person you mentioned being groomed within the congregation.

        Also, if anyone else with information on Jason Gorski comes across this post please contact me at the number listed above.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Thank you for caring.

  • Michael Ray

    Thank you. For me I want to make the organization better. Doing that from the inside is challenging however since others sometimes ‘blame the messenger.’ Sunday I spoke to an elder and showed him this latest story. I passionately explained my concern. I remarked about the dangerous bull and liability scripture. I directly told him the elders are morally responsible for the safety of the flock and they worship Jehovah and not men, not the Governing Body. The elder listened as he has two young children. What really got him to think is when I said regarding the issue of not calling the police: “What if the Kingdom Hall a/c unit was stolen. Would the elders report it to the police? (He nodded yes) But if a child is raped, the elders will not report it to the police. (He nodded in agreement) So the policy says that air conditioners are more important than children.” He head went down and he seem to be admitting I was right. We ended on that note. He said something about looking more into this issue. Keep in mind, most Witnesses know nothing about this issue. These policy decisions all come from the top. But once witnesses do find out, they become morally responsible to do something about it – speak to elders, circuit overseer, write branch office, call branch office, etc…This is what I am doing now. I informed the elder that I am morally obligated to speak to other parents in the congregation to inform them about these many stories and lawsuits reported by the media. This week I intend to speak to a recently appointed MS who has two young children. I hope he is open-minded. We’ll see.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Hello Michael, lovely to have you with us. That is a lovely and indeed encouraging story you have to tell. Fearless. It fills me with encouragement.

  • Michael Ray

    A brief comment on the ‘two witness rule’ used by JW’s to establish guilt. To be fair, the two witness rule as applied by JW’s has been misrepresented by outsiders. The rule is based upon Deuteronomy 19:15 and 1 Timothy 5:19. It is designed to protect someone from false allegations. If it is a “he said, she said” and there is no other evidence, then even under man’s law, the accused is free to go. This is not unreasonable. In the U.S. we are given the presumption of innocence. I suspect this is the idea behind the scriptures. However, if there is physical evidence such as body fluids or other scientific evidence, JW’s will consider that to be the ‘second witness’ and sufficient to establish guilt. Also, the second witness can be a second allegation from a different victim. So the ‘two witness rule’ has be misunderstood. However, one could argue that as such, it is vital that ALL allegations be reported to law enforcement so that crime scene technology can be used to discover additional physical evidence.

  • Bklyn Kevin

    watchtower has never once admitted an error or wrongdoing or said they were sorry for anything, Regardless of the hard hitting overwhelming evidence against them. They still blatantly lied to the public as well as their own congregant members. They’re doing damage control like most worldly corporations and are obviously only protecting their own interest and not the interest of the children / victims who had been sexually abused.

    • Daisy

      “Lying puts sress on our body & the biggest indicator of body stress is a dry mouth. In order to rectify the dry mouth, liars are often observed licking their lips”
      Taken from 7 Body Language Tips to Tell if Someone is Lying.

      …”another way we can contribute to the oneness, rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from JEHOVAH’S ORGANISATION…
      As an example, think about the apostate driven lies & dishonesties that JEHOVAH’S ORGANISATION is permissive toward peodophiles ( licks lips). I mean, that is ridiculous, isn’t it (licks lips) and if anybody takes action against anyone who would threaten young ones (licks lips) & takes action to protect our young ones, its JEHOVAH’S ORGANISATION…”
      That’s an awfully dry mouth you got there brother.

  • Leonard k

    brother Robert the time of the apostasy and the revealing of the man of lawlessness must be very near.

    Jeremiah 5:31

    31 The prophets prophesy lies, And the priests dominate by their own authority. And my own people love it that way. But what will you do when the end comes?”

    2 Thessalonians 2:3

    3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

    1 Peter 4:17

    17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

    clearly worldwide the JW organization watchtower G/B are facing GREAT OPOSITION Criticism and JUDGMENT all over the world. I can not turn on the news or read a news paper or go on line without seeing or reading or hearing about the JW organization Criticism concerning all the sexual abuse cases/trials and the destruction of evidence concerning these abuse cases. and then there is the UN partnership that took place and the shunning and last but not least the sales of all of the JW / HQ buildings in Brooklyn. the very house that was dedicated to Jehovah SOLD! as if it had no real significance other then just a common real estate deal something that the JW organization watchtower G/B are making millions from. please do not misunderstand me I am not judging any one but my point is this with all that is going on within the JW organization watchtower G/B the FORTOLD APOSTASY IN
    2 Thessalonians 2:3 now seems to be very clear and happening now. I truly believe it will not be much longer at all before the house of god is trampled on by the nations.

    Revelation 11:2

    2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months

    Daniel 12:11

    11 “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days.

    Mark 13:14

    14 “However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

    Ezekiel 11:21

    21 “‘“But as for those whose hearts are set to continue in their disgusting things and their detestable practices, I will bring the consequences of their way upon their head,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.’”

    brother Robert I truly believe we are starting to see the fulfillment of the foretold prophecy’s happening now and surely the significance of all these current events clearly shows we are in the time of the end of this wicked system of things.

    Matthew 13:49

    49 That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous

    Psalm 73:19

    19 How suddenly they are devastated! How sudden is their finish as they come to a terrible end!

  • Erich Dilbeck

    I knew this man. I spent many a night hanging out with this guy, I worked with him, went to meetings and out in service with him. I always believed he was gay. That is neither here nor there for me. But I realized there was a dark, dark side to him that he was hiding. In all fairness he was one the the nicest people I have ever known. Perhaps he used that to his advantage to lure his victims. So sad for his victims. I was a victim of child abuse from an elder in this organization, and I know the pain. I know the pain. Predators paradise. That’s the only paradise these people have. Anybody that actually knows this guy will attest that he was likeable. He showered people with kindness and compliments and attention. He made people feel special. I don’t believe that everyone that makes a mistake like this is a monster or bad man. My reputation is not spotless either. But society generally has a gauge for this sort of stuff and child abuse especially sexual is just plain wrong and needs to be punished to the fullest extent. Anyone who would not protect kids as much as possible is in my opinion is the monster and the 2 witness rule allows for just that.

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