A Great Crowd Will Never Die

//A Great Crowd Will Never Die

Jehovah’s Witnesses have the hope of never dying – a hope solidly based upon their unique understanding of the Bible.

God made man and woman to live on the earth forever. Like the loving Father he is, Jehovah desired his earthly children to have every good thing. Jehovah endowed us with his own character and personality, which is what it means to be made in his image. For example, human kindness is merely a reflection of Jehovah’s kindly character. Our innate sense of fairness and justice, as another example, was implanted in the minds of our original parents by the God of justice himself.

But tragically, because of their disobedience, Adam and Eve were sentenced to death; and consequently passed on sin and death to their then unborn offspring.

But Jehovah God has lovingly made arrangements to undo the death-dealing effects of their sin by providing the substitutionary death of his beloved Son, Jesus.

As Paul explained, just as death came into the world through the disobedience of one man, God’s gift of life has come about through the faithfulness of one man, Jesus.

God’s intention has always been to have the earth transformed into a paradise by the humans that he created – modeled after the Garden of Eden. That is still God’s purpose. Contrary to the fictions published in books like The Late Great Planet Earth or popular novels like the Left Behind series, God’s clearly stated purpose is to save the earth from ruination, not destroy it.

From its inception the Watchtower Society understood this basic truth. But although they realized that it was God’s purpose to restore the earth, the International Bible Students originally associated with Charles Taze Russell and the Watchtower embraced the hope of being with Christ in heaven.  It was understood, though, that Christ’s kingdom was going to rule over the earth and it would be the means by which God would restore mankind to earthly perfection. However, gradually after C.T. Russell died fewer and fewer of those associated with the Bible Students organization in the 1920’s and 30’s professed having a heavenly calling.  What was going on? A gradual yet profound change occurred back then, whereby, more and more persons began to embrace the hope of living on Earth forever.  Then, in 1935, at an international convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the then president of the Watchtower Society, J. F. Rutherford, asked everyone in the audience who had this hope of living forever on the earth to please stand up. He then introduced them as the “great multitude” of Revelation 7:9 that is destined to survive the great tribulation.

Although that sensational introduction of the great crowd took place exactly 75 years ago, and no doubt nearly all of those who stood up that day are no longer alive, still, because of the work of the Watchtower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses in the ensuing decades many millions have since then come to understand God’s purpose and have themselves also embraced the hope of never dying. The appearance of a group composed of persons from all nations and languages who are dedicated to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ is a profoundly significant phenomenon.

Understandably, if it is indeed God’s purpose to seed a new world with a great crowd of survivors of the end of this world, as a prelude to that event, there must, of necessity, be a great educational and gathering work.

About 35 centuries ago a drama unfolded that demonstrated God’s intention for the great crowd that presently exists among Jehovah’s Witnesses. That was the occasion of the great exodus. Jehovah brought a series of 10 plagues upon the obstinate Pharaoh and the Egyptians, with the 10th plague being the death of the firstborn. But the Hebrews had been instructed to slaughter a lamb and splash some of its blood over the doors of their dwellings and to stay indoors on that night when the angel of death visited Egypt.  But the angel passed over every home that exhibited the blood of the lamb; hence, the passover. The angel then led the Israelites and a vast mixed company of Egyptians and others out of Egypt. Jehovah parted the Red Sea to provide deliverance from Pharaoh’s pursuing army. Eventually, God brought them into a land of their own – the Promised Land flowing with milk and honey.

The book of Revelation draws from that drama in Exodus. The series of plagues are to be poured out on this world and the great crowd of persons who have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb will survive the end of the world and enter the new world God has promised. The very fact that there are now millions of people all over the earth who have not only embraced the hope of surviving the great tribulation, but who, in obedience to Christ, are actively proclaiming that profound message to their neighbors, is evidence that God is actively gathering a people in preparation for them to inherit the earth when the present global civilization is destroyed.

Jesus referred to a little flock of disciples as those who will be given the kingdom. This is in contrast to another group, variously called the other sheep and the great crowd. The little flock will ultimately be composed of 144,000. These are called the chosen ones. They are spoken of as receiving the first resurrection. Revelation explains that those who receive the first resurrection are not vulnerable to the second death. That is because those brought to life in the first resurrection are resurrected as spirits – immortal spirits. Obviously, though, if there is a first resurrection there is also a second resurrection. The second resurrection is the earthly resurrection. The billions of mankind who have lived and died will be brought back to earth as humans. They will benefit from the rule of God’s heavenly kingdom. They will have the opportunity of being rehabilitated from the ravages of sin and living forever on the earth in paradise. This is why Jesus promised the evildoer who was executed next to him that he would be with him in paradise.

How will Jesus be with him in paradise? The 21st chapter of Revelation explains: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

Notice that the verse states that God will be with mankind, just as he was originally with Adam and Eve in the Garden. Those who will survive the great tribulation will no doubt be traumatized. They will need comfort. The tribulation and the world-ending war of Armageddon will be a horrific ordeal for them. But that is why God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.

When Lazarus died Jesus took that sad occasion to explain his role as the facilitator of the resurrection and life-giver. Jesus explained to Lazarus’ grieving sister: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” – John 11:25-26

What did Jesus mean “everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all”? Paul used a similar expression when he said regarding the first resurrection: “Those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air…”

Paul was referring to himself as among the living that will be on hand when Christ’s presence
commences. He said that because he was then living. He was not saying, however, that the living who will join Christ will not die. In the 15th chapter of Corinthians Paul explained the heavenly resurrection to the doubters by comparing it to a seed that must die in order to give birth to the plant that springs from it. Paul wrote: “What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain, it may be, of wheat or any one of the rest; but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to each of the seeds its own body.”

All of the 144,000 chosen ones must die in order to become born as spirits. It is just that those who die during Jesus’ presence do not sleep in death as those who die prior to his coming. Instead of sleeping in the grave they are instantaneously transformed, “in the twinkling of an eye.”

So, those who are living that put faith in Christ must also be those living at the time of his coming. But, since the chosen ones must die to be changed, the living who “will never die at all,” cannot be those who have been called to heaven. The “living,” about whom Jesus spoke to Martha, must be the great crowd that will survive the tribulation.

For a certainty, Jehovah’s Witnesses have the sure hope that they will be the first people who have ever lived on this earth who will never die. What a joyous privilege has been given to Jehovah’s Witnesses on the eve of the great storm that is about to sweep this wicked world away – the prospect of survival and being the first humans since Adam and Eve to enjoy paradise. 

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2016-12-08T15:13:07+00:00 July 12th, 2010|Beliefs|46 Comments
  • Jonah Peter Paul

    “For a certainty, Jehovah’s Witnesses have
    the sure hope that they will be the first people who have ever lived on
    this earth who will never die. What a joyous privilege has been given
    to Jehovah’s Witnesses on the eve of the great storm that is about to
    sweep this wicked world away – the prospect of survival and being the
    first humans since Adam and Eve to enjoy paradise.” – This is really a beautiful gift indeed. All and any kind of suffering from this world will no doubt be nothing as compared to this great gift that Jehovah offers. Being a part of the great crowd is one of the greatest privilege any person can have.Imagine not going through death! Sadly, now that the end has almost begun, I feel so unworthy. I feel intense sadness and frustration cause I know that I haven’t done enough. Anyway we should serve Jehovah not for the reward He is willing to give us, but because serving Him is what’s righteous. I never really thought of how great being part of the great crowd was. Most especially because when you listen in the kingdomhall it seems like all JWs who are baptized will make it alive. Now that we know that only 1/3 of Jehovah’s people will make it, that makes it even more special.

    Also what a good point it is when you said that majority of people actually choose to believe a more complicated and nonsensical belief when it comes to resurrection. They choose to believe something that they don’t even understand and something that the bible does not even support. It is true when we preach and talk about the new world free of death and sickness and mourning, people find it hard to believe. It is sad that their decisions will lead them to death. Most people depend on no one but their local priests to tell them about God and His plans. Most of them personally do not read the bible and simply accept what is commonly taught. Commentary on the daily text

    • Joe Dman

      Jonah, I hear ya, especially when you said: “I feel intense sadness and frustration cause I know that I haven’t done enough.” 1Cor15 says if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved; yet, if so, it will be as through fire.
      I have close family and friends and even people I meet that I know or worry won’t make it. It will be a great loss indeed and I wonder if I could have made a difference. It no doubt would seem odd to desire those to be taken by the pale horseman followed by Hades so that they would experience a resurrection. But on into the kingdom our tears will be of joy as Robert brought out in a related scripture in Rev 21.

      • Jonah Peter Paul

        Joe, that was eight months ago. I guess I was just being too hard on myself, holding up myself to very high standards when it comes to what I do for God (which is actually quite good) but I refuse to torment myself any further. I do what I can do for the day, sometimes I fail and I fall but as long as the sun rises the next day I just do whatever I can for Him again and somehow if the end comes, I will just have to trust in his undeserved kindness. I know Jehovah doesn’t forget even the smallest of things that we do for Him so I’ll just trust that somehow He will take that into consideration when He judges who makes it and who does not.

        • Joe Dman

          I didn’t notice it being eight months ago until after I posted. The article showed up on the recent comments. I am comforted by what you just said. Maybe I’m trying to hold myself up to very high standards. I guess I’m where you were and it is too taxing. I meet so many people at my job that if I witnessed to all of them I would be in the poor house. And if I knew just one could come to know Jehovah then I’d gladly be there. That’s not to say I don’t talk to any. Some regret mentioning anything religious cause I can talk for hours. Then I find a few that are interested.
          Currently I’m studying with my daughter and I talk to her and her boyfriend about these other truths. My problem is I talk too much and while teaching them from a WT book, I also incorporate what I learned from Robert. My wife says that I shouldn’t do that because on the one hand I’m teaching them that Witnesses are the only who will survive and then I turn around and tell them that they are believing a lie, but yet I’m teaching them that they have the truth. My defense is I don’t think I have the time to wait to teach them this other. Then I’m met with: “You thought that three years ago”. There’s where my torment will come, if she don’t make it because I somehow didn’t do enough. But it’s fellow believers like yourself and our conversations that have been a huge boost lately. You don’t know how much I appreciate it.

          • Jonah Peter Paul

            Joe, you and I do have several things in common. I totally get you. I often feel burdened by the desire to preach and tell the “whole truth” to each and every person we meet (even though sometimes it may seem weird and sometimes it’s not possible) and I often measure my significance in Jehovah’s eyes based on my effectiveness and the number of people I am able to preach to. I keep thinking that I need to be able to lead and convince even “just one person” to this website to be able to somehow feel accomplished. But well although that thinking is admirable, it can do us harm as well. I remember some of the basic stuff that was taught in the meetings, that we are here, preaching not just to convert people but to warn them as well. Noah preached for many many years, but did anyone else aside from his family members listen?- No. So should we therefore conclude that Noah’s preaching work was worthless?- No. That was the rightful thing to do, we warn as many people as we can when there is opportunity, we try our best to be strategical in doing so, to show them the proof, to be convincing, effective but well a man can only do so much. Whether they pay attention or not is no longer our business. Don’t gauge your importance to God based on your success or feel discouraged when others do not appreciate the message that we impart or by the fact that we can’t talk to everybody about it, cause that’s just simply impossible.

            The time we are living in is just as bad as the days of Noah, meaning not many will want to listen to the truth. What matters to God is that we are doing the best that we can and these people are an opportunity to heed the warning and a chance to save themselves. We can’t make that decision for them.

            I admire you for having the courage to tell them the inconvenient truth as well. After finding out the sinister reality that the organization is destined to go through and how their beloved 1914 teaching is nothing but a big lie, I couldn’t stomach preaching in the usual JW manner anymore. It must be hard for people that we meet to instantly grasp everything, 2 seemingly contradicting facts, 2 sides of the coin, but we manage anyway. I believe that we shouldn’t sugarcoat the truth. After all in the end, reality’s slap in the face could be harder for others to swallow. It might not be easy for them to digest everything now but when it all starts happening, your daughter and her boyfriend and the others will remember what you said and they will surely benefit from your decision to tell the whole truth. If you didn’t, and the WT becomes discredited in the near future, the effect might be worse. We’re so close to the end, you are right we may not have much time to explain it all so it’s best to do it now. Or if the life of other people are at stake should we take risks? Definitely not.

            Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It’s a hard work to do, we feel burdened and compelled to speak to others about the things we knew and it’s not a very easy message to deliver. I am sure that Jehovah values and appreciates even the smallest thing that we do for Him.

            Guilt is just another snare from the Devil, don’t let unnecessary feelings of worthlessness get in the way of our joy in serving God. If we let it consume us, then we may find it hard to move forward.

  • chas logue

    Your teachings say that the Jehovah Witness, or rather Watchtower followers will go into “paradise on planet earth,” but I am afraid that The Word of Jehovah Declares that The Earth is His Footstool, and also Jesu’s enemies will be His FOOTSTOOL, this is certainly not a great prospect, which saddens really me.
    Isaiah 66 v 1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and THE EARTH IS MY FOOT STOOL: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? Acts 7 v 49 Heaven is my throne, and EARTH IS MY FOOTSTOOL: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
    Matthew 4v 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:
    35 Nor by THE EARTH; for it is HIS FOOTSTOOL: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
    Psalm 110 v 1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
    Isaiah 65 v 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a NEW EARTH: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

    V 22 For as the new heavens and the NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

    Isaiah 24 v 4 The earth mourneth and FADETH away, the world languisheth and FADETH away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is DEFILED under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

    24 v 6 Therefore hath THE CURSE THAT DEVOURED THE EARTH, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

    2 Peter 3 v 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, THE EARTH ALSO AND THE WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

    2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a NEW EARTH, wherein dwelleth RIGTHEOUSNESS .

    Revelation 21 v 1 And I saw a new heaven and a NEW EARTH: for the first heaven and THE FIRST EARTH were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    The Lord Jesus said that heaven and earth would pass away, this recorded in the Scriptures of Matthew 24 v 35 Heaven and earth shall PASS AWAY, but my words shall not pass away. Mark 13 v 31 Heaven and earth shall PASS AWAY: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21 v 33 Heaven and earth shall PASS AWAY: but my words shall not pass away. I don’t think that the Lord Jesus would lie about something as serious as this,
    Colossians 3 v 3 If ye( BELIEVERS) then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are ABOVE, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.2 Set your affection on things ABOVE, NOT ON THE THINGS ON THE EARTH.3 For ye are dead, and your LIFE is HID WITH CHRIST IN GOD.4 When Christ, who is OUR LIFE ( FOR BELIEVERS) , shall appear, then shall ye ( BELIEVERS) also appear with him in GLORY.

    • ewatchman

      Your reasoning is badly flawed. Not only is the earth going away, so are the heavens. That means everyone who goes to heaven will be homeless too, following your line of reasoning. lol

      • chas logue

        I think that you should have looked at all the verses, before you came up with a not so smart reply. So you think that believers will be homeless, have a wee read at the Colossians verses again, and here are some truths that the Lord has promised for all believers, I don’t think we will have a homeless problem, being where the LORD JESUS is John 14 v 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in GOD, believe also in ME.
        2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were NOT SO, I would have told you. I go to PREPARE a PLACE for you.
        3 And if I go and PREPARE a PLACE for you, I will COME again, and receive you unto MYSELF; that where I AM, there YOU MAY BE ALSO,
        Philippians 3v 20 For our conversation (citizenship) is in HEAVEN; from whence also WE LOOK for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
        21 Who shall change our VILE BODY ,( soma) that it may be fashioned like unto HIS GLORIOUS BODY,( soma) according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
        Ecclesiastes 7 v 25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the REASON of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:
        Isaiah 1 v 18 Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Psalm 51 v 7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. The believers hyssop is dipped in the blood of Jehovah’s lamb, John 1 v 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

        • Darren Wilks

          Your understanding of the scriptures is limited. Please humble yourself before Jehovah and his Christ seated at his right hand. Ask for wisdom and understanding. Jehovah will without fail hear you.

          • chas logue

            Hi Darren ,Since you have taken the liberty to comment on my understanding of Scripture, being limited, I think that have the right to ask you what understanding do you have, that gives you the right to make that assumption about my understanding of the Scripture.

            chas

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas, That is a very good question. What gives a man that has much the right to give to a man that has little? I believe from your defensive response that you took a little offence to what I said, but that was not my intention at all. None of us have a perfect understanding of the scriptures yet. That is why I am here. Is that why you are here? Where does understanding come from? Jesus tells us at Matthew 16:14-17.

            • chas logue

              Well Darren, I really need to be honest with you, I am assuming that you are a Watchtower Member, and that your understanding of the Scriptures would be according to Watchtower teachings. Which generate issues that can be called into question. There is for Regenerated Believers a unique position, of being indwelt with the Divine Helper, Comforter and Intimate Presence of The Living God, to impart a Spiritual understanding of Scriptures, and not a impersonal external “active force” I do believe that the following verses will give you some understanding of the Truth, and privileged position of repentant sinners, have through thrusting in the death of the Lord Jesus, are being blest with intimacy of a relationship with Jehovah God.`
              Romans 8 v 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but THE SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness.
              11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKENS your MORTAL bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the FLESH, to live after the FLESH. 13 For if ye LIVE after the FLESH, ye shall DIE: but if ye through THE SPIRIT YOU do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall LIVE.
              14 For as many as are led by the SPIRIT OF GOD, they are the SONS of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, ABBA FATHER. 16 The SPIRIT itself beareth witness with our SPIRIT, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
              1 Corinthians 2 v 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
              9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
              10 But God hath REVEALED them unto us by HIS SPIRIT: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the DEEP things of God.
              11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the THINGS of God knoweth NO MAN, but the SPIRIT of GOD.
              12 Now we( BELIEVERS) have RECEIVED, not the spirit of the world, but the SPIRIT which is of GOD; that we might know THE THINGS that are freely GIVEN TO US of GOD.
              13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which MAN’S WISDOM TEACHETH, but which the Holy Ghost TEACHETH; comparing SPIRITUAL things with SPIRITUAL.
              14 But the NATURAL MAN receiveth not the things of the SPIRIT of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned.

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas, thank you for those scriptures. I’m not a Watchtower member so your assumptions might be a bit misguided. You didn’t answer my previous questions, but started quoting scripture, so I’m just a bit confused, sorry. How is Jehovah’s spirit impersonal when you take the scriptures you linked into account? I don’t believe Jehovah’s spirit is impersonal to him at all. In fact, his Holy Spirit is how he accomplishes his will by my understanding. Are you trying to say something differently?

            • patri

              Darren, the time you took to reply so kindly to Chas is much appreciated. The fact that he’s posted 60 odd times without receiving one up vote proves to me that any deception rendered on his part is purely personal to him. Thank you.

            • chas logue

              Hi patri, it has been some time since you commended Darren for replying “so kindly to me”. I was going to overlook, your reply to him, but I have chosen to reply to you, be it all, as there is, a bit of a time lapse, so i would like to say that I do take all deception personal, when it is dealing with the Person of The Lord Jesus Christ. I totally disagree with the way that you see His Person. which means I am not concerned with receiving any, as you say ” up vote”, which is obviously is given to them that agree with your teachings. my concern is to let you know that where are millions of Believers, who believe without reservation, or shame, and that we are not dishonouring His Holy Name, which is that Jehovah God is Triune, One Lord God Almighty, and without receiving His Son, The Incarnate Word, The Lord Jesus Christ as the Sin Bearer, for all mankind,and the Personal Savour, of all who believe. patri these words will let you the truth of the fact that without him there is no hope
              What can wash away my sin?
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
              What can make me whole again?
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
              chorus

              Oh! precious is the flow
              That makes me white as snow;
              No other fount I know,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

              For my pardon, this I see,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
              For my cleansing this my plea,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

              Nothing can for sin atone,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
              Naught of good that I have done,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

              This is all my hope and peace,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
              This is all my righteousness,
              Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

              chas

            • patri

              Uh! Ok chas. Thanks for your belated reply.
              Sorry your new meds aren’t working.

            • chas logue

              Hi patri, nice one I like it, but I have to tell you the source of my “meds” are from an impeccable, Person, the Greatest Healer of All. Hebrews 12 v 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
              Luke 4 v 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to HEAL the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
              Matthew 9 v 20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and TOUCHED the hem of HIS garment: 21 For she said within herself, If I may but TOUCH his garment, I shall be WHOLE. 22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee WHOLE. And the woman was made whole from that hour. ch 8 v 5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and HEAL him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but SPEAK THE WORD only, and my servant shall be HEALED.
              This the wonder for the believer, who accepts the Jesus as their Savour can claim the healing that he offers. Isaiah 53 v 5 But he was wounded for my transgressions, he was bruised for my iniquities: the chastisement of my peace was upon him; and with his stripes I are HEALED
              Jeremiah 17 v 14 HEAL ME, O Lord, and I shall be HEALED; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

              chas

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ouch!

            • patri

              Sorry Burt but I had an overwhelming attack of discernment…

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, I get those occasionally too. It brings out the worst in me as you would havE seen by now!! I think it’s the isolation factor..

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas you are so blinded.. I pray for you that you wake up! Jesus the Great Teacher described himself as a son.. not a twin. If he was equal to Jehovah surely he would’ve taught that.

            • chas logue

              Really Darren, I could say the same about you. You are controlled, and brainwashed by watchtower teachings, and you will not listen to any form of REASONING, that does not comply with the wbts. Here is a question I asked you in my second reply to you “I am assuming that you are a Watchtower Member, and that your understanding of the Scriptures would be according to Watchtower teachings.” and this was your reply “I’m not a Watchtower member“. Yet you sent me a Robert King video, who is a spokesperson for the watchtower teachings, and you have Consistently quoted me their teachings,and supported them. I believe that you have lied to me, and you are controlled, and brainwashed by their teachings,
              Job 13 v 22 What ye know, the same do I know also: I am not inferior unto you. 3 Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to REASON with God. Isaiah 1v18 Come now, and let us REASON TO GATHER SAITH THE LORD : though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
              1 Peter 3 v1515 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a REASON of the HOPE that is in you with meekness and fear:
              Hebrews 6 v 18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, WHO have FLED for REFUGE to lay hold upon the HOPE set before us: 19 Which HOPE we have as an ANCHOR of the SOUL, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil( HOLY OF HOLIES); 20 Whither THE FORERUNNER is for us entered, EVEN JESUS, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
              Finally could you explain to me, why in this verse “Jehovah” calls “His Son God” Hebrews 1 v 8 But unto the SON(JESUS) he ( Jehovah God) saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
              chas
              Ps, I think that you need to waken up, and you will see the deception that is blinded you to the real truth, of The Triune Jehovah God, His Incarnate Son The Lord Jesus Christ, without whom you will surely Perish.

            • Darren Wilks

              If I was a Watchtower member Chas, I would not be shunned at their meetings. Please don’t be mean, that’s not how Christ would act. Just pray for understanding and lets leave it at that.

            • chas logue

              Yes Darren, I do Think that we will have to leave it there, but I would like to reply to that fact that this is the second time you have accused me of being mean, which is not my intention, I will say that I was wanting to be emphatic, with regards to the teachings you are involved in. you also said that “Christ would have not acted like that“, well I think that I have to remind you, how The Lord Jesus dealt with the false teachings, even in his day.
              Matthew 15 v1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, v2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
              v3 A, but he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your TRADITION?
              v6 B Thus have ye made the COMMANDMENT of God of none EFFECT by your TRADITION. v7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, v8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. v9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for DOCTRINES, the COMMANDMENTS of MEN. The Lord Jesus goes on to chastise the cities that did not repent. Even though he did many mighty healings.
              Matthew 11 v 20 Then began he to UPBRAID the cities where in most of his MIGHTY WORKS were done, because they REPENTED not: In the Ch 21, the Lord Jesus, casts out all the moneychangers, who had desecrated The temple. Matthew 21 v12 And Jesus went into the TEMPLE OF GOD, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
              v13 And said unto them, It is written, MY HOUSE shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. In Matthew Ch 23 Here is 13 times that The lord Jesus pronounces Woes on the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrisies.
              Romans 1 v 9 A, For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the Gospel of his Son, v16 for I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the Power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Here are Scriptures which Apostle Paul prophesied about what the Lord Jesus do to those that reject His Gospel.
              2 Thessalonians 1 v 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the LORD JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking VENGENCE on them that know not God, and that OBEY not the GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ: v9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
              Hi Darren, I know that you sincere, but please look at whether your sincerity, is based on bible truth, could, I Solemnly encourage you to, humbly forget all the teachings you are involved in, go to a quiet place, and get alone with the Authorised King James Bible, which is the most Faithful version, among all the dubious translations we have today. Start reading the gospel of John, then go to the Epistle of Hebrews, and I can assure you that God will reveal Himself and His Person to you.

              1 In loving-kindness Jesus came
              My soul in mercy to reclaim,
              And from the depths of sin and shame
              Through grace He lifted me.
              2
              He called me long before I heard,
              Before my sinful heart was stirred,
              But when I took Him at His word,
              Forgiv’n, He lifted me.
              3
              His brow was pierced with many a thorn,
              His hands by cruel nails were torn,
              When from my guilt and grief, forlorn,
              In love He lifted me.

              From sinking sand He lifted me,
              With tender hand He lifted me,
              From shades of night to plains of light,
              Oh, praise His name, He lifted me!

              chas

            • chas logue

              Hi Darren, to quote you” I’m a truth seeker doing my BEST to be pleasing to the True and Living God.” I am wondering can you explain a wee bit more on what you mean. There is nothing we can Do to please Jehovah in our unregenerate state, there has to a desire to make peace with God and, be forgiven, because of our separation from God thru our sinfulness. Peace and forgiveness can granted, on the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ’s death on Calvary. After he offered one sacrifice for sin forever he sat down at the right hand of God. his cry from the cross was “It Is finished” he alone provides the perfect salvation, all we are asked to do is humbly accept and receive the free and loving gift of eternal life that he offers to all who will believe and embrace him. I have no desire to go on a “preaching campaign” although Paul tell us that it pleased God thru the preaching of the gospel to save them who believe.1 Corinthians 1v 21.

            • Darren Wilks

              Hi Chas, What I mean by that is that I try to do my BEST at exemplifying Jesus Christ, in imitating him, and loving Jehovah my God with my whole heart, whole soul, whole mind and whole strength and my neighbor as myself. Also, I have to disagree with you that there is nothing we can do to please Jehovah in our unregenerate state. The scriptures are not in alignment with that train of thought at all. You see Chas, Jehovah gave me free will. I can spend the rest of my days from now until the end of days engaged in sinful and unholy acts all the while preaching about Jesus and Jehovah. But, I know very well how Jehovah and Jesus think about hypocrites. I choose not to do that because I have a choice. And my choice is to be pleasing to Jehovah and his son. I want him to know that I am a “man after his own heart.” Just as David was: Acts 13:22.

              Very nice poem by the way!

            • chas logue

              Your Quote “I have to disagree with you that there is nothing we can do to please Jehovah in our unregenerate state.”
              Hi Darren, I cannot believe that you are saying, that Jehovah God who is Holy and Righteous, Will be pleased with the merits from a corrupt, immoral humanity who has been stained with the sinful Adamic nature. without experiencing a life changing transaction. thru the atoning sacrifice Of God’s Lamb. who provided for mankind a complete salvation so as to stand Spotless before a Holy and Righteous God. The Scriptures in Genesis 4 v 3-7 tells us that only Abel’s Offering of the lamb was accepted, while Cain’s offering was fruit of his own efforts that came from the earth that God had cursed. He refused the offer from God to share Abel’s lamb, see also Hebrews 11v 4.

              chas

              Ps thanks for the comment on my a wee poem

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas, Please pray on this specifically and ask for the truth to be revealed to you. Jehovah is gracious and we CAN please him in this state. The scriptures bear it out.

              Jehovah is close to those who are seeking him and want to keep his commandments.

              If what you are saying is true, and since I’ve already called Christ Jesus into my life as my Savior and accept his sacrifice on my behalf. “Once saved, always saved” mentality…is giving me permission to do Hookers and cocaine for the rest of my days… and it brings no reproach on Jesus or Jehovah. YOUR TEACHING this stumbles me, Sir.

              Matthew Chapter 18:
              5And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7Woe to the world for the causes of sin. These stumbling blocks must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!…

              Please see the error of your teaching, and please stop acting as a stumbling block.

            • chas logue

              Hi Darren, I believe the we have reached a catch 22, so that we are debating because of the differences of our Scriptural understanding, and you have advised me that my teachings are in error, and to seek the truth which I can assure you that I genuinely have. As a Redeemed Believer, I am wholly committed and my confession is in accord with the Scriptures in Romans 10 v 9 That if thou shalt Confess with thy Mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine Heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
              10 For with the Heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the Mouth Confession is made unto salvation. I am Concluding with my Following Confession.
              THE BIBLE.
              I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, that it is inerrant and infallible, the supreme and ultimate authority in all matters of faith and conduct, understood only through the illumination and teaching of the Holy Spirit.
              THE GODHEAD, I believe that the GODHEAD exists co-equally in Three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and that these Three are one GOD, sovereign in creation, providence and redemption………..Romans 1 v 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse:
              THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
              I believe the Scriptures written by the Apostle Paul Colossians, 2 v 9 In Him (Christ ) Dwells the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily, 1 Corinthians 1 v 24, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Referring to the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His real and complete humanity, in His sinless life, in His authoritative teaching, in His substitutionary and atoning sacrifice through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, in His heavenly intercession, in His personal pre-millennial and pre-tribulation return to receive His church and to establish His millennial kingdom.
              THE HOLY SPIRIT
              I believe in the Deity of the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit’s work is to convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, to teach, to guide into all truth, to bring the word of Christ to remembrance, to glorify Christ, to show things to come, to produce fruit in the life of the believers, to equip believers for effective service and ministry.
              MANKIND
              I believe in the total depravity of fallen nature, rendering men subject to the Wrath of God. John 3 v 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the Wrath of God abideth on him.
              SALVATION
              I believe that salvation is available to all, that it includes justification, sanctification and glorification, that Repentance for sin and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ are essential to salvation, that the repentant sinner is thus justified by Faith alone, that this is evidenced in holy living.
              THE CHURCH Matthew, 16 v 18B ….. And I say also unto thee, I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
              I believe in the unity and priesthood of all true believers in Christ.
              1 Peter 2 v 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
              10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
              THE COMMISSION
              I believe that the commission of the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers is ‘Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature’ – ‘Teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost’ – teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.’ Matthew 28v 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
              THE COMING KING
              I believe in the personal, pre-millennial, pre-tribulation return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
              I believe that the signs of the time point exclusively toward the close of ‘the times of the Gentiles’, that the return of the Lord is imminent, that the completed Church will be translated to meet the Lord in the air to be ‘forever with the Lord’, that Israel will be restored to her own land in unbelief and will be afterwards converted as she repents, recognises Christ as Messiah, that the Lord Jesus Christ will reign for a thousand years upon the earth during which time there will be a further outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh, that the message of the imminent return of Christ is the greatest motivation to prayer, holiness of life and evangelism.
              I believe in the resurrection of the just and unjust, the eternal blessedness of the redeemed in Christ and the eternal punishment of those who ignore or who have rejected the offer of salvation.

              Take Care I trust that someday you will be able to identify with the truths of this confession.

              Chas

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas, I concur. You’re beliefs that you’ve written here are not new to me. I was raised Methodist and attended a Catholic boarding school. Both of those religions taught almost all of what you’ve spelled out here.

            • chas logue

              Hi Darren,
              I think that there is a vast difference the the teachings of popery with its heresies and methodist with their good works, I know they do not have a clue about these truths, it is a travesty to compere modernist, liberalist, sceptics with the Fundamental truths of Evangelical Teachings
              The word of God declares ” The just shall live by faith The lord Jesus Christ the Crucified Son of God,
              Raised a methodist taught a Catholic, what teachings are you now involved in??

              chas

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas, Satan the devil is cunning. Can you not see how you believe the teachings are vast, but when If you post your core tenet beliefs that you wrote earlier in any Catholic or Methodist church, everyone of the parishioners and congregation members of both churches will say Amen to them.

              As for my beliefs,

              1) Jehovah is the True God and Sovereign of the Universe.
              2) Jesus Christ is Jehovah’s first born of all creation that came to earth willingly to sacrifice himself to repurchase mankind and prove Satan the devil a Liar.
              3) Jehovah will put all creation in subjection to his Son for a thousand years of Kingdom rule.
              4) I also believe we’ve stumbled onto a part of the internet and found a brother that is teaching and revealing Bible truths revealed by Jehovah through his Holy Spirit.

            • chas logue

              Hi Darren,

              To say the least your beliefs are rather vague not much substance to them.
              1) Jehovah is the True God and Sovereign of the Universe.
              CORRECTION The Triune Jehovah is the True God and Sovereign of the Universe.
              2 Jesus Christ is Jehovah’s first born of all creation, FALLACY FALLACY FALLACY
              CORRECTION Jesus is the incarnate WORD OF THE TRIUNE GOD,
              3) Jehovah will put all creation in subjection to his Son for a thousand years of Kingdom rule. TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT
              CORRECTION
              The next event to happen is at the end of the Dispensation of Grace, the Lord Jesus Christ Returns to take to himself all born again believers, this is followed by The Great Tribulation, and for the Jews The Times of Jacob’s Troubles, The Anti Christ will seek to make war with the nation of Israel, Christ their Messiah will come in Power and Great Glory to deliver them, and he will bind Satan for 1000 years and rule as The King of Jews. Satan loosed and with the armies of the earth are overthrown. The great white throne Judgment seat of Christ. the Eternal State, A new Heaven and a new Earth wherein dwells righteous,
              Here’s a wee bit of advise you can take it, as from the Apostle paul 2 Timothy 2 v 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.

              chas

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas,

              Please watch this youtube video and let me know what you think.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s_pq8IubG4

            • chas logue

              Darren here a reply to Mr King theories,
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAcDV270D_0

              chas

        • Darren Wilks

          Chas, you have knowledge, and the Lord commends you for that. Now humble yourself, and kneel in the privacy of your own home. Call upon the the name of the True and Living God to give you his holy spirit and grant you understanding in accordance with his will. Pray these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Do this three times. He will not hand you a serpent. Do you love me Peter?

          • chas logue

            The Perfect Redeemer

            When I knew that I was a sinner,
            Who would stand before God alone.
            I heard Christ is the perfect redeemer,
            And his blood for my sin did atone.

            So hopefully I listened to his calling,
            He said that my dept was all paid.
            The burden it rolled from my shoulder,
            As Christ was the decision I made.

            I have accepted the saviour,
            And no one is greater than he.
            For I was a hell deserving sinner,
            But it was JESUS who died on the tree.

            O friend could I tell you lovingly,
            You too need his blood for your stain.
            O please embrace this loving saviour,
            For he may not call to you again.

            Well Darren Jesus did it all for me all to Him owe,
            Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed me white as snow

            chas

            • Darren Wilks

              I really like this poem too, Chas! I can feel your appreciation for what Jesus did for us. The only part I don’t agree with is “And no one is greater than he.” .. That line is not scriptural. 1Corinthians 15:27-28.

            • chas logue

              Hi Darren, “And no one is greater than he.” referring to this, that it is not Scriptural makes it plain that you are robbing The lord Jesus Christ of is Deity, This saddens me so much. John 1v 1 The Logus Who is with the Theos, became Flesh, His Incarnation, V 14 and dwelt among us, and we beheld His GLORY the Glory as of the only begotten of God the Father full of Grace and Truth. I am getting vibes, that, while you say that you are not a Watch tower member you are quoting their Unitarian Beliefs.

            • Darren Wilks

              Chas, why do you let coined phrases like “deny Jesus Christ his deity” stumble you. I don’t deny anything that Jehovah has given to his son. He is our Mighty God, Prince of Peace!! I”m just correcting your error: 1Corinthians 15:27-28 points out “27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And
              when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will
              be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be
              all in all.”

              This clearly does not include the One who put everything under him.. Reason on that and pray on it. Stop leaning on your coined phrases… as they can be very distracting.

            • chas logue

              Darren here is a wee lyric that at this time of the year it would bring the reality of the Incarnation, to mind
              I stand amazed in the presence
              Of Jesus the Nazarene,
              And wonder how He could love me,
              A sinner condemned, unclean.
              2
              For me it was in the garden,
              He prayed: “Not my will, but Thine.”
              He had no tears for His own griefs,
              But sweat-drops of blood for mine.
              3
              He took my sins and my sorrows,
              He made them His very own;
              He bore the burden to Calv’ry,
              And suffered, and died alone.
              4
              When with the ransomed in glory
              His face I at last shall see,
              ’Twill be my joy through the ages
              To sing of His love for me.

              How marvelous! How wonderful!
              And my song shall ever be:
              How marvelous! How wonderful!
              Is my Savior’s love for me!
              All the best for 2017

              Chas

        • ewatchman

          I do not think there is a homeless problem. I was simply showing the absurdity of your reasoning. Obviously, though, you don’t get it. Any idiot can quote scriptures. And they frequently do. The challenge is understanding. You quoted verses that say the earth is going away. Well, those same scriptures say the heavens are too. Are you unaware of that fact or are you hoping we are?

          • patri

            For how long we can resist being affected is anybodys guess, but we must reduce our exposure to chemicals, herbicides, pesticides, toxic vaccines, GMO foods, poisoned water and chemtrails ( somehow) and lower the chances of harmful health effects.

            • Without Jehovah’s immediate intervention, the human race is surly doomed on this alone. Not to mention terminal nuclear weapons.

          • chas logue

            Of course i quoted the words of the Lord Jesus “Heaven & Earth will pass away”, but there will be a new Heaven and Earth wherein dwells righteousness, for the first Heaven and the first Earth have passed away.”You quoted the challenge is understanding”, what it there to not understanding these scriptures,

            Can i comment on how you understanding that you have the hope of never dying when, we are living in a body of flesh that after 30 score and ten, and by means of strength 40 score will then die. and as the word of God says “will go the way of all flesh” Paul confirm this in Hebrews “it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the Judgement”
            A Great Crowd Will Never Die.=Jehovah’s Witnesses have the hope of never dying.

            chas

  • Joe Dman

    Robert, this has to be one of the best explanations as far as being short and sweet and easily understood. I can’t believe I missed it. I rarely share things on Facebook (mostly because I don’t go there ) but this ones going on. The only other one I shared was Imagining Paradise. Since I read that one I spend a lot more time … Imagining Paradise. Thanks.

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