You Must Prophesy Again

//You Must Prophesy Again

Monday, July 25

He ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness.Acts 10:42.

All of us are subject to “the law of the Christ.” That law includes all that Jesus taught. Foremost among Jesus’ teachings is that his followers should display love. And one of the primary ways we show love for God, for Christ, and for our neighbor is by preaching the good news of the Kingdom.  Jesus commanded only a relatively small number of his followers—those to whom he appeared after his resurrection—to preach. But all his faithful first-century disciples recognized that the command applied to them, even if they had not personally heard Jesus speak. Likewise today, Jesus has not personally spoken to any of the eight million active Kingdom preachers. But all recognize their obligation to exercise faith in Christ and to express that faith by means of the witnessing work.

COMMENTARY

Jesus has not spoken to any of Jehovah’s Witnesses, not even to the Governing Body or any anointed person —that much is true.

But what if he does in the future? What if Christ appears to some and speaks to them, and what if their encounter with the Lord is outside the domain of the Watchtower? Would you believe their testimony? Would you be willing to endure ridicule and persecution for doing so?

These are not merely hypothetical questions. A visible presence of Christ to the chosen ones is an absolute certainty. Of course, the Governing Body and the eight million active JW’s who follow them and the millions of others on the periphery know nothing of such things. You will never read about a future parousia of Christ in the Watchtower Magazine, much less a visible presence. Nonetheless, mine is a lone voice in the wilderness, as it were, declaring the imminent coming of Christ and his ultimate manifestation in glory.

What might Jesus say to those to whom his glory is revealed? There is no need to speculate. The 10th chapter of Revelation reveals the purpose of Christ appearing. In the opening verses Jesus is described thusly: “And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire, and he had in his hand a little scroll that had been unrolled. And he set his right foot on the sea, but his left one on the earth, and he cried out with a loud voice just as when a lion roars.”

At that point the “strong angel” declares that the preaching of the good news, the message that Jehovah’s Witnesses are presently preaching, is brought to a finish. Here is the way he worded it: “There will be no delay any longer. But in the days when the seventh angel is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret that God declared as good news to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

As an indication of the delusion Jehovah’s Witnesses are under, the Watchtower actually teaches that the strong angel descended from heaven in 1914 and that the sacred secret of God, which involves creating a new heavens and new earth, was finished more than a century ago. Jehovah’s Witnesses even suppose that there has been no delay any longer in the carrying out of all of Jehovah’s judgments. Most incredible, the Watchtower teaches that the declaration of the good news was brought to a finish back then too, long before the Bible Students even became known as Jehovah Witnesses and engaged in the greatest evangelical campaign in history!

But just as Jesus commanded his followers to preach the good news, there is to be a post-good news preaching campaign in the future. That is what is portrayed by Jesus handing John the little scroll. And the angel went on to say to him: “‘Take it and eat it up, and it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet like honey.’ I took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it, and in my mouth it was sweet like honey, but when I had eaten it, my stomach was made bitter. And they said to me: ‘You must prophesy again about peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.’”

The command to “prophesy again” comes after the preaching of the good news is brought to a finish. The message contained in the little scroll is not good news. It is a message of doom. That is why it made John’s belly bitter. It is a bitter message that those whom Christ commissions will deliver.

Jesus spoke of this as an aspect of the conclusion, when he said: “As for you, look out for yourselves. People will hand you over to local courts, and you will be beaten in synagogues and be put on the stand before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them. Also, in all the nations, the good news has to be preached first. And when they are taking you to hand you over, do not be anxious beforehand about what to say; but whatever is given you in that hour, say this, for you are not the ones speaking, but the holy spirit is.”

Although I am repeating myself from recent commentaries, it bears repetition. Just as Revelation indicates that the bitter message is delivered after the preaching of the good news comes to a finish, so too, in Mark’s version of Jesus’ discussion of the sequence of events due to unfold during the conclusion “the good news has to be preached  first.” Then the chosen will be beaten in their synagogues and handed over to local courts and made to stand before governors and kings for the sake of Christ.

We might think of the course of Paul, who was made to stand before the Judean governor Festus and King Agrippa and ultimately before the ruler of the entire Roman Empire, Cesar.  One significant difference, though, is that Paul was an ambassador of the Kingdom, whereas those chosen ones in the future will have been sealed and guaranteed entry into the Kingdom, making them kings even while still in the flesh.

What is the significance of Jesus saying they will be beaten in synagogues? The apostles were still very much part of the the Jewish system when Christ spoke of the conclusion and the desolation of Jerusalem, therefore, the synagogues represent Christian congregations in the greater fulfillment.

Because Jesus’ appearance to the holy ones will not take place in connection with the Watchtower, whatever ruling body is functioning then will not receive the testimony of the chosen ones. Instead, Bethel will become an antichrist and the sons of the Kingdom will become objects of hatred and be persecuted by many of their former brothers —just as Jesus was persecuted and handed over by the Jews, led by the treacherous Judas who betrayed his master.

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  • “Would you be willing to endure ridicule and persecution for doing so?”

    YES!!!

    • Daisy

      Having endured ridicule and persecution in a much lesser degree during my life as a jw… And what doesnt kill you makes you stronger… so the miracle that Christ will appear and speak to some, is my hearts desire…YES!!! As Robert would say…”bring it”.

    • Sharon

      Brother Robert thank-you for another timely article this morning. Very personal, as I really miss preaching, living in a small town informal is just not the same. I being raised in the truth get very angry now inside when I realize we are indeed living in the GREATEST time in human history, the return of our lord JESUS CHRIST,KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS ,and never once was that the focus of my ministry. And as you said never will you hear it or read it coming from watchtower. I know Jehovah led me to you, no doubt in my mind you are a watchman being used by Jehovah God. My question is could Jehovah also be using other men who call themselves watchmen, and are speaking truth about our Lords return and many other important issues,
      even though not with the watchtower. Thank-you for all your hard work, your in my prayers every day.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Sharon, there is neither formal or informal witnessing. If indeed there was a ‘type’ of witnessing, formal and informal would be of equal merit. There is very good example of both ‘ watchtower labels’ in the scriptures. One was Jesus turning water into wine at a wedding…can’t get more informal than that, and of his trials before pilot as a ‘formal’ one. The watchtower made a line in the sand about types of witnessing, not Jehovah. In truth, a witness of Jehovah is witnessing all the time, through every facet of their lives. Even the animals bear witness to Jehovah, but not my dog Basil on some occasions when for instance, the other day when he decided to kill a seagul. And even if your witnessing was, by dint of the watchtower, not as you would have liked it to be, there is The example of the widow’s mite, giving from her wont, and such a gift being equal even to the showy display of others who were rich, and gave from their surplus. The example is a bit out of context, but the principle is the same. Witnessing is born of courage and love, that all should know Jehovah, and you have both. Enjoy your witnessing.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Luke 9:
        49 In response John said: “Instructor, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he is not following with us.”
        50 But Jesus said to him: “Do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you.”

        Mark 9:
        38 John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.”
        39 But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me.
        40 For whoever is not against us is for us.

      • better to reply to Robert or just post a new coment rather then reply to anyone so as not to cause confusion..
        excellent point though, only one religion teaching Jesus already came (1914) 2-Thess ch2

        • Joe Dman

          You know that is a good gotcha point if you could have a discussion with a witness that you didn’t know and they didn’t know you and show them 2 Thes 2:1-12 and say, “apparently God is warning His people, whoever they may be, that they will be saying that Christ has already came. Hmm, what religion teaches that?”

          • in-fact, i did do that. it was part of the start of a conversation i had with some sitting next to a book booth.

            just be incognito then say Jesus came invisibly in 1914 and the’ll smug with proud smiles in a yes manner as you continue to say and only one religion preaching that, no other religion on earth but Jehovah’s witnesses. then bam you got them where you want then vause this time their proud smiles comfirm with a stong yep an nod we are, nobody else. thats when you say funny that….2-Thess ch2

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Moving Ahead with Jehovah’s Organization.
        Read more>
        https://e-watchman.com/moving-ahead-jehovahs-organization/

        Excerpt
        It should be noted that Job was not an Israelite. He apparently lived prior to time that God established a covenant with the Hebrews. Thus, he was not part of any organization. He stood as an individual – a theatrical spectacle to angels and men.

  • e.v.g

    Jesus will say to his disciples directly “You must go and preach again” I always was asking me what jesus will say to the anointed during his manifestation, obviously!!! thanks brother.”

  • Joe Dman

    A newcomer to the sight recently wondered why she had found this site and i put forth that it was a way for Robert to warn the organization of Jehovah’s coming judgement and to gather the lost sheep back to Jehovah. I’ve wondered if any of the little flock have benefited but certainly more than a few of the other sheep have. As he mentioned, the leadership at Christ’s coming will not.
    Another purpose may be to encourage Robert that his message is believable. No doubt he would still announce Jehovah’s judgements, but where would many of us be without this site. Or how discouraging would it be for Robert. Was it Ezekiel that God finally told there was 7,000 others. That’s probably the discouragement Robert would feel without all of you confirming what he says is true. I know I probably irritate Robert with some of my questions and comments but i appreciate him and y’all putting up with me. And not giving me a thumbs down even when i deserve one.

    • (Elijah)

      your welcome Joe. i hope you keep out of the heat today best you can. i hope Jehovah checks in on you today

    • Burt Reynolds

      I don’t think it is a question of whether or not this site is believable. The watchtower was and remains, believable! To some, Catholicism is believable. The touchstone is if what is said and argued is in line with the bible. Even then, the bible leaves chasms of doubt to fall into, or to bridge with faith. Then there is the over riding question…is the bible really the word of God? Also, one might laugh at the claims of the pope and watchtower that they are infallible, but let us not forget that all men are fallible, and prone to ownership of gods word….Moses for example. Then, let us look to doubting Thomas. How can someone see the Christ and yet not believe that he is risen again? It’s breathtaking, and it was only when he was able to plunge his hand into the wounds, that he believed. And what was Christ’s response? Happy is he that has not seen, yet believes. Then, if all that were not heartbreaking enough in isolating us to stand alone in our faith, we have the prophesy of many coming in my name….misleading many. Jehovah sent prophets before and look at the reception some of those got, ‘ I am made a fool… For your name’s sake …’ If we read the scriptures thoroughly, we see that we are to stand alone in our faith, ultimately, each one proving himself before Jehovah. We will not be able to point the finger and say ‘brother King said this, or that.’ Robert has to answer also for himself. For me, and I suspect others, everything we see and hear on this site is put through the sieve of the bible to see if the gold, the treasures that settle from it, is biblical. And are all of us here, not convinced of that? Yes! For certain. Why? The scriptures are quite clear on this. Jesus said that those hearing my voice will come out, they will recognise the voice of their master…in other words, the scriptures, the truth, the love amongst themselves, the hope, the faith, the tangible wonderment of the creator, powerful and trustworthy, even making changes in our lives to participate in the wonders on offer. Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, but not seen. Does this site ring true to that? Yes. Does the scriptures discussed on this site ring true to that? Yes. Emphatically so. And it is all in line with not just the word of the bible, but the intent of the bible, and which is peculiar to this site alone. You won’t find that in the watchtower. By intent, I mean the outworking of the scripture, the product of faith. And do not forget, we have Jehovah’s promise in that he knows our heart and so, ultimately, this site is a banquet of exquisite proportions, but nonetheless, and be that as it may, it is our faith in the bible alone that will reward us. Further, and what delights me at least, in terms of reassurance in your question, is that Robert labours daily to bring this to us, the flock, for free and asks nothing in return and is given nothing in return, from us, other than, and surely this is sufficient in anyone’s book of life, what we are become because of it.

      • Volcanic

        pearls of wisdom, Burt, that was truly beautiful what you wrote, truly beautiful! I agree with everything you said.

      • Joe Dman

        Yeah that’s what I meant to say…What Burt said. Just kidding Burt. You have a much better way with words than I do. I probably should have pondered over what I said and my use of words. I know Robert would do his work without us seeing what he sees. But I’m sure glad he has done it because I may not be here building my faith. And I have a terrible memory when it comes to what prophets said what. So I’ve got Brklyn Kevin and now DA (is that who D34D is?) to tell me the scriptures I’m thinking of and you to speak eloquent words of wisdom concerning my not so accurate expressions. And I’m not trying to be cute or funny about that. I really do appreciate all of you.

  • 1914for100Alex

    By all means Robert, feel free to repeat yourself! My brain isn’t very sponge like lol. Sometimes I need to see it over and over. Looks like your commentary puts a lot of the things I was wondering yesterday into focus. Basically, the preaching will be left up to the professionals (you guys) as Jesus will give you more information than what you’re sharing here with us. Us knowing what we know will pale in comparison to what is shared with you by Jesus, therefore making you guys targets. You’ll have specifics that people won’t want to accept. Those of us here that have been following your posts will have to just nod our heads and say “yep, what he said” if we’re in the presence of an anointed and potential unbelievers 😉 Am I on the right track?

  • sally

    Can someone help me understand this bit of Robert’s write up. ” Most incredible, the Watchtower teaches that the declaration of the good news was brought to a finish back then too, long before the Bible Students even became known as Jehovah Witnesses and engaged in the greatest evangelical campaign in history!” I have not been taught that they believe the good news declaration was brought to an end a century ago? Otherwise I wouldn’t of started a bible study if that was the case! They are preaching the good news until the tribulation breaks out. There is a Ministry School and people are preaching everyday. So either I am misunderstanding this or this is just not correct.

    • Bobby 6343

      Read “A closer look at1914”

      Anointed Christians unwittingly broke Jehovah’s law because they did not properly understand true Christian neutrality. Losing divine favor, they came into spiritual captivity to Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. Their condition of being in slavery climaxed in June 1918 when eight staff members of the Watch Tower Society were imprisoned on false charges, including conspiracy. At that point the organized preaching of the good news virtually stopped. In 1919, however, a clarion call to spiritual wakefulness was sounded forth.” (Isaiah’s Prophecy volume II, page 181)

      • sally

        Ah thank you very much Bobby! so basically the REASON for the halting of preaching has been misunderstood. They have not recognized that they were receiving punishment as opposed to prophesy being fulfilled.

      • ya lost me..

    • ewatchman

      The WT does not actually teach that the preaching of the good news came to a finish. But, it does claim that the sacred secret came to a finish in 1914. In fact, they published a commentary on Revelation back in 1969 called Then Is Finished the Mystery of God. By their claiming that the sacred secret was resolved in 1914 they are IMPLYING that the preaching work was finished. And indeed, they imply that very thing by claiming that Jesus handed them the little scroll in 1918-9.

      • sally

        Thank you Robert for this explanation. I am in totally over my head as you can well see! I appreciate you coming back with this explanation. I am trying to learn the basics as well as learn from you and others who post here. I listened to the UN podcast last night and am just devastated.

        • Daisy

          I wish I could hug you and hold you long enough to take away the feelings of utter devastation Sally. My love and prayers are with you day and night. In fact, I couldn’t sleep last night out of concern for you and wished I hadn’t felt so drained and replied earlier in order to send you support.
          If its any consolation I think the reason you feel devasted is because you’re eyes are now being opened to the gravity of the depth of hypocricy within God’s house. So please use this knowledge to motivate you to draw closer to the One who loves you and wants you to lean on Him and throw your burden on Him, and leave it in his loving care. Stay with us Sally, all of us here love you very much and we understand your feelings as we share in them with you. You take care now…:)

          • Volcanic

            you are just soooo sweet & loving, Daisy! Sally messaged me a couple of weeks ago

            upset because she had read something I had posted on FB from Robert & it greatly upset her, to the point of questioning whether I was still actually a witness.

            I am really very, very fond of Sally because we have been online business friends for a long time & unknown to me she had also been reading the JW things I had been posting over a year ago & it was a total surprise to me when she messaged me then telling me she liked what she was hearing & ultimately applied for Bible study.

            Imagine how ‘guilty’ I felt when I was overturning the things she has been taught for 12 months, but, how joyful I feel knowing that she has joined us here!

            A mutual friend of ours also confirmed to her that Robert is telling the truth on this site, it is amazing just how many people are finding the ‘real truth’ & it makes me feel tremendous knowing our ‘underground activities’ are bearing fruit. I beg Jehovah every day that I might post something that someone will read & listen to……’Here I am, send me, send me’ 🙂

            The love here on this site is truly honest & deeply felt & I feel a huge hug every time I log in.

            • Daisy

              So glad I made an effort to reach out in my small way V and thanks for this background information…I had no idea, just noticed a new name and because I too had the same reaction of devastation on the political connection when I came across it ‘here’ – family thought I was having a breakdown I couldn’t stop weeping – the treachery so overwhelmed me – I empathised straightaway. ..Its so good to hear that Sally has invited Jehovah into her heart where he can love her as an individual as he did all those faithful men and women of old and you feel proud that your efforts will go from strength to strength from today forward please.
              Burt said if I changed my name to Daisy I’d hear from you! Wish I could get my e.mail address out as thus fb stuff is beyond my comprehension, its just vanished lol

            • sally

              Thank you Annie x

          • Burt Reynolds

            He are you today Daisy. The good thing about a Daisy is that they always spring up again!

            • Daisy

              Yes my lawn looks like a meadow, daisies everywhere!
              “Assessment” tomorrow, feeling a bit drained but loving life and my life-line here. Couldnt live without you all. Thanks Burt love you dear brother…

          • sally

            Thank you Daisy for your comforting comments I really need them right now. I just so wish that someone local to me was in this same place. I have to deal with continuing my study with a sister who is so completely on a different page to me in everyway and I doubt very much anyone in my congregation looks to anything but the WT. Still I have here for my questions and moral support. Volcanic (Annie) actually was the first person to introduce me to the JW literature although we have never met in person. Through FB and I started reading what she was posting and then spoke in chat with her about it all. I then went on to get a study after a period of time. My study sister’s husband is an elder and both of them frown upon internet use aside from JW.Org, And had warned me against it for fear of false information and apostate sites. I had to point out to him that I had started a study via the internet, not a witness knocking at my door and convincing me. So I respect Annie very much, and when she started posting e-watchman articles I at first ignored it but was puzzled by it. Then I eventually read a couple she posted and spoke to her. I was freaking out by then! I still have so much to read and learn here. It’s a mine field and I have to read things 10 times to understand, but I am convinced that this is the real truth. I have not been feeling right for a few months but thought it was me I was praying to Jehovah re my negative thoughts. Now I am praying to him to help me understand.

            • Volcanic

              love you, Sally, we will all get there in the end.

            • Daisy

              Its nothing sally.
              Its easy for me to imagine the frustration you are feeling not studying with someone of like mind but if its any consolation I actually live with somebody who’s not on the same page..
              My husband!
              He’s a 1914-er and nothing I say will shift him. He just will not budge. I’m sure steam comes out of my ears sometimes after one of our chats its so disheartening talking to a robot and I feel the same as you that there’s much to read and understand and i never have time to catch up ive never got through the podcasts but what did we do before we could run? We walked. And before that we took one tentative step at a time so instead of reeling as if under bombardment – youre spinning three saucers are you not – take it easy and refuse to be inundated. You owe that to yourself.
              Keep praying, that’s very wise, we are assured that all prayers in accordance with God’s will are answered. A decision will appear from.nowhere and nudge you in the right direction.
              Just keep in mind that this is a site for lovers of Jehovah and HIS sovereignty and not lovers of an organisation.
              Everyone here is supporting you so keep close.
              Bklyn Kevin will arrive soon to comfort you with scriptures and remember not to feel so alone knowing that we all hold you close in our prayers. Lots of love sally 😀

          • Joe Dman

            Ditto to Sally and Shelley.
            Daisy, I get your tearful episodes. I’ve had them concerning everything from worrying about my wife and family in how they will deal with what’s ashes to being so grateful to Jehovah for having one of his shepherds come find me. And various other reasons including people on here. Never thought I’d be this way but it just shows we are developing the personality of Christ and I couldn’t be happier for that. I’m ready for it to all end, Not so we can be vindicated for what we know or for the wicked to get their just deserves, But to live on this earth with every living creature having the knowledge from Jehovah. I guess that’s why Roberts article: ” imagining paradise” is by far my favorite.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Sally you are not in over your head, the watchtower is just not what you thought or hoped it to be, but be assured that it is Jehovah’s organisation. How do we know this? The watchtower meets the critical prophetic issues found within the bible and as pointed out by Robert above. The fact that it is errant in carrying out Jehovah’s word is not the issue you may think it is, I respect to your question, as also shown in Roberts explanation of the Jewish system. The bible is a huge meal to digest. As daisy says, stay with the watchtower, stay with us on this site and enjoy the learning that goes with it. Robert and everyone here is happy to help with whatever questions you have. As they used to say to me when I was in the congregation, ‘don’t try to eat the whole cake at once, one slice at a time’.

          • Joe Dman

            Burt, Beverly, Annie and anyone who’d like to pass your email along to Daisy and don’t want to post yours here, I’ll be happy to pass it to her. Mines dmaninspection@gmail all lower case. Thanks.

      • maybe a word similar to inadvertently?

        Isaiah 28:20

    • Burt Reynolds

      My watchtower history is not too sharp, but the end was supposed to be in 1914…and again in 1918/19, therefore it is logical to assume that they, the watchtower, thought that the preaching work was concluded as it has to be concluded before the end can come. If you notice the recent convention ‘bunker’ movies, available on the Internet, you can see that they slip in there that the preaching has changed from the good news, to a message of warning. This without any biblical support or explanation whatsoever, even though it implies a huge prophetical change in the role of the organisation and its people. Such a statement is of the same magnitude as claiming the tribulation is physically in progress, yet is glibly thrown into the conversation in this video. I cannot quote exactly what is said here as I do not have it before me.

      When I was attending the congregation, and when I was more or less impelled to join, the message from the watchtower was that the preaching work was continuing but would indeed change to one of warning….time unspecified. You cannot have the Tribulation without preaching work coming to an end and the warning delivered. As this has ‘occurred’ in 1914, 1918, again, I think circa 1923,1940 and again in 1975, then you may appreciate the flipflopping of the message, trying to accommodate both articles of faith, ergo, the end of the preaching work and the beginning of the warning. Back in 1971, I was ‘warning’ people of the end and we were expecting an official note confirming this from the watchtower that never came in writing, but was nonetheless strongly implied in the watchtower. That the watchtower is a dab hand at innuendo is clear from such issues as blood and blood fractions, organ transplant, buying second hand goods, in case they have been infected with evil spirits, various foods that you can and cannot eat, inoculations, what is and what is not war work, joining unions, politics, ergo Malawi and Mexico, education, bedroom policing, baptism -age of, child abuse more recently, rape -what constitutes such on behalf of the victim, double standards and outright lying as in the case of them joining the United Nations as an NGO…non governmental organisation. As the watchtower has drifted towards commercial enterprise, it has become involved in stocks and shares, some of which reach into arms and politics, and the abuses of the brothers labour. In terms of child abuses of late, it is using the funds given for the preaching work by honest, unwitting brothers and sisters, often in low paid jobs due to being denied an education, to pay off astronomical fines and reparations. This is stealing, misappropriating funds for other purposes not intended by the giver.

      Thus you are absolutely right in that these changes you mention are not to the forefront but remain hidden. It is not for me to confirm Roberts reply, as that would be unseemly, but nonetheless, to contradict myself, he is absolutely correct to my knowledge, but that it is also likely that given the watchtowers dubious insight into the scriptural prophesy, they did not understand the import of what they were writing and its implications. Thus perhaps it may be true to say that they implied such, as Robert says, but in my opinion to be kind, perhaps by default through ignorance. In other words, they were ignorant of the outcome of the claims that they were making. It is also quite correct to say that the watchtower teaches this point, not because they actually write it, but because by claiming one teaching, it then follows that another teaching is, unintendedly, brought into meaning, a sort of double entendre on the watchtowers part. For another example, moreover, is the teaching from the watchtower that Christendom will be destroyed at the tribulation, without realising that the prophesy applies to the watchtower itself, primarily, and worse, that it draws in the governing body as shown in, I think, Joel. Regardless, whatever the watchtower may or may not say, or imply either on purpose or by default, the bible itself says that the preaching work will continue and then the end will come. Well, the end has not come yet has it? And keep in mind, that if the watchtower had not implied that it had, such could not now be written by Robert, and shown to be supported by the bible, the watchtower chronology, it’s writings, and it’s claims and its people.

      • ewatchman

        Wow, Burt, you seem to have a better grasp of things then I do. I’ll be happy to throw the prophet’s mantle over your shoulders if you will accept. Just say the word and I’ll give you the log-in info to e-watchman and you and take it from there. lol

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hello Robert, such would be an unspeakable honour, in the view that such is the glory of Jehovah unspeakable, but the gift has not been given to me and thus I most humbly decline. What we can do to strengthen you in your task, is a prayer to the forefront of everyone’s mind on this site. I have not an inkling of insight into the scriptures. That honour lies in you and as I say, is not given to me. I have spent many years as a social worker, picking people off the street, to defending children and tearing them away from abusive parents n the Courts of the land, the like cases I have seen of which are not to mentioned here. Hopefully, the children have now a happy life, but my point being, all I can offer this site, is a little insight into the human outworking of the watchtower with its congregants and the emotive side of existence. Robert, keep on doing what you are doing, as fully as you do. I for my part, will wait on Jehovah, recognising that I am sinful and not up to the mark. We all wish you well.

        • Daisy

          So glad Burt declined your kind offer because

          Nobody does it better
          Sometimes I wish someone would (not true)
          Nobody does it half as good as you ( watchman)
          Baby you’re the best – you’re the best – you’re the best lah la lah

          Lyrics by Carly n Daisy.

      • “This is stealing, misappropriating funds for other purposes not intended by the giver.” ?

      • Joe Dman

        Well said. My father who was a worthless father for most of my life closes his ears when i make mention of the meaning of bible prophecy. He thinks all my beliefs emanate from the Watchtower. He use to tell me of a work mate who was confident it would all end in 1975. I’m sure he is one of thousands that took the view that they are false profits. I still slip in what’s about to happen and when it does i hope there’s hope for him. Maybe a resurrection at the last.
        The one article I remember readin in the WT concerning 1975, the writer would say “possibly”. They didn’t say for sure but try to explain that to my father.

        • 1914for100Alex

          Everything I’ve read about the 1975 debacle leads me to believe that, sure, they left themselves some wiggle room on paper but if you were part of the congregation at that time you thought it was going down. Maybe it varied from Kingdom Hall to Kingdom Hall, but there’s no shortage of heartbreaking stories out there of people blowing their life savings because they were so sure. I look at it this way; we wouldn’t even be talking about it if it hadn’t been pushed in some way. You say “1975” to an older JW and they know exactly what you’re talking about. Again, maybe it varied from Hall to Hall, but one thing is for sure; a lot of people left after that. Maybe some of the people here that were around for “1975” can paint a better picture?

          • Daisy

            I cant paint a better picture Alex because i believed it. There was a publication in 1967 Awake which actually printed the 1975 date.

            we’d moved to where the need was great. I remember the urgency and panic we felt in delivering tracts and raced from house to house like there was no tomorrow lol. When I think about it now, how ridiculously it seems but at the time in our naivete we believed that the society was warning us from as far back as 1967.

            The society had calculated that 6000 years from Adam’s creation ended in the fall of 1975. What was overlooked was the subsequent creation of Eve

            I can’t remember where I’ve read that 1975 was a put up job by uncle Freddie to keep us on our toes or maybe another ruse to make more money out of us. After all we bought literature, got paid for it when placed and then put the money in the contribution box along with our personal contribution each month…treble whammy? Im not saying that was the society’s motive but wish I had it back with interest in our old age but suffice to know the worldwide preaching work was supported by it.

            I don’t recall many leaving after the big let down, the oddball here and there, all reference to it vanished, the great non event was totally ignored

            If ever 1975 cropped up in conversation in the following years it was usually denied and comments were on the lines of we the brothers misunderstood

            I’m unaware of folk from our hall selling their homes but I wouldn’t be surprised. And unlike brother Mac we hung onto our winter coats but did stash foods and water in our cellar. Wish we had a cellar today that we could hide in!

            • ewatchman

              Interesting. Why don’t you write up your story in the guestbook?

            • 1914for100Alex

              Thanks for sharing. I personally know people that left (1975 was the last straw) but I’m sure if I’d asked there would have been people there that said they joined right before. I was too young to realize that the Witnesses were coming off a major let down. You’d never know it though. Just rearrange the numbers and hey, it’s still right around the corner. Until it wasn’t…again. You’d think that would get more people wondering what when wrong, but I get it. When you’re that dedicated it’s easier to just keep believing whatever they tell you than have your whole world come crashing around you. Back then we didn’t have Robert…or the Internet for that matter. I can’t thank Robert enough for doing what he’s doing. In the short time that I’ve been here I’ve seen some very confused people find comfort in the knowledge he shares. It’s kind of weird. He’s telling us it’s going to be far worse than we ever imagined, and I’m at peace with it. Probably won’t be when I’m dodging missiles, but for know there’s comfort in knowing what the plan is.

  • LW

    The two witnesses performing all manner of supernatural miracles will be something to behold…vs the highest touted sorcerers and occultists that Satan can offer. It really brings the battle into focus.

    • 1914for100Alex

      It will be the ultimate battle of good vs evil. No sci-fi novelist or even Hollywood could come up with what’s about to take place.

      • LW

        You know that’s what my Mom said to me a long time ago. She told me what you see in Revelation, Hollywood can’t come close to it.

      • LW

        Right, even so, in alot of the movies now, I can clearly see many similarities or parallels to that time, especially in light of Robert’s work.

        • 1914for100Alex

          I’m actually surprised Hollywood has put out some of the Bible story movies that have come out recently. I haven’t seen the one based on Exodus, but I saw Noah. I heard Exodus was more of a historical type movie, rather than concentrating on the biblical aspects. Anyone see it? Were there any redeeming qualities? There were a lot of liberties taken in the Noah movie, but if you could ignore all that it was cool to see it on the big screen. Hopefully the parents that took their kids made sure to fill them in on what the movie got wrong.

          • its lame and horrible

            • 1914for100Alex

              Two thumbs down from D.A.

          • LW

            I did see the Exodus movie and what was interesting was in one of the scenes, Moses is talking to God, but they show God as being a child. Some felt this was off but an article made the point, Would you really imagine God as someone who is one that speaks down and could crush you like an ant or one that speaks more personably, so to speak?

            • 1914for100Alex

              That’s interesting. At least they put God in it. I was under the impression that particular movie left the biblical aspects out of it, which left me thinking why even bother.

      • LW

        Something else that just occurred to me..yeah, no novel or movie could even come close to this, but yet it feels like having read through Jehovah Himself has become king, that in effect we have essentially read a story like that of an epic film.

    • LW

      When we see certain powers wielded the first thought that may cross our minds may well be,’it is from demonic origin’, but let us not forget something important..who was the one that created not only the physical universe but even these other metaphysical aspects and energies around us? Yes, the Creator!

      Occultists use these same energies for evil ends, which involves using the power of the demons. But, ultimately it is Jehovah that owns it all. So eventually, those warriors of the light (anointed) will reveal themselves against the onslaught of dark forces…

  • LW

    Psalm 83

    O God, do not be silent;

    Do not keep quiet or still, O Divine One.

    2 For look! your enemies are in an uproar;

    Those who hate you act arrogantly.

    3 With cunning they secretly plot against your people;

    They conspire against your treasured ones.

    4 They say: “Come, let us annihilate them as a nation,

    So that the name of Israel may be remembered no more.”

    5 They devise a unified strategy;

    They have made an alliance against you—

    6 The tents of Eʹdom and the Ishʹma·el·ites, Moʹab and the Hagʹrites,

    7 Geʹbal and Amʹmon and Amʹa·lek,

    Phi·lisʹti·a together with the inhabitants of Tyre.

    8 As·syrʹi·a too has joined them;

    They give support to the sons of Lot.

    9 Do to them as you did to Midʹi·an,

    As you did to Sisʹe·ra and Jaʹbin at the streama of Kiʹshon.

    10 They were annihilated at En-dor;

    They became manure for the ground.

    11 Make their nobles like Oʹreb and Zeʹeb

    And their princes like Zeʹbah and Zal·munʹna,

    12 For they said: “Let us take possession of the land where God dwells.”

    13 O my God, make them like a whirling thistle,

    Like stubble blown about by the wind.

    14 Like a fire that burns up the forest,

    Like a flame that scorches the mountains,

    15 So may you pursue them with your tempest

    And terrify them with your windstorm.

    16 Cover their faces with dishonor,

    So that they may search for your name, O Jehovah.

    17 May they be put to shame and be terrified forever;

    May they be disgraced and perish;

    18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,

    You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

  • Shelley.

    Do I have this right ?
    Financial collapse ,preaching work comes to an end,Jesus hurls down Satan and the demons ,WW3, Rise of the 8 the world power UN ( combination of the harlot and UN ?) One world government and religion ?Jesus comes along side visibly to his anointed brothers and they will be beaten by fellow brothers in the congregations of JWs and turned over due to their going against the teachings of the org.and then a second witness will be made of doom by the anointed.Jehovah then destroys the Org.scattering his sheep and through persecution will punish his own people,exposing the man of lawlessness.Those who remain faithful in not receiving the mark of the 8th King and turn to Jehovah for salvation will be gathered back to him,during this period of time the anointed will be put to death and raised to their heavenly position along side Jesus.Jehovah will place his enemies as a footstool and then hand over the kingdom to his son and then Armageddon will begin.As I said before I am not the brightest bulb in the pack.i am just trying to get all this straight in my mind.

    • sounds about right

    • Bklyn Kevin

      30 Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      The apostle exhorted Christians to “make sure of all things.” The Watchtower Society even published a minister’s handbook by that title that is intended to aid Jehovah’s Witnesses to help others see the falsity of many of Christendom’s teachings. However, ought not Jehovah’s Witnesses also make sure of what the Watchtower teaches, particularly with regards to prophecy and the return of Christ?. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/30-questions-for-jehovahs-witnesses/

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Podcast #39. Is it better to be blind?. https://e-watchman.com/podcast-39/
      Program considers a variety of questions,

    • Joe Dman

      If you’re not the brightest i must be the broken one. It took me a few years to get that far. Must be Jehovah’s way of showing things up. If there’s any tweeks to be made to your thinking maybe someone will clearly explain it.
      Think of all the things you enjoy now, especially this device you are looking at. It’s likely that it’ll all be gone during the collapse, and to get it back, and the other things that you depend on, will require your accepting the mark of the beast. How many will roll over in an instant to get it back. My wife hates it when i talk about this stuff but I’m trying to prepare her.

      • Shelley.

        I am trying so hard to learn everything and hopefully retain most of it so when we no longer have our devices

      • Shelley.

        When we no longer have these devices hopefully I can rely on my memory and my heart to get me through. It will definately be the hardest test we will all face. I keep thinking that once it reaches that point our faith in Jehovah and his promises should only grow stronger because we will understand the time frame we are in. Yes we could succumb to the wild beast for what a couple years of extending our lives only to die during Armageddon .

  • Hi all! Here’s my tuppence worth: as for prophesying or preaching, I think we would all agree that it is not natural to talk to others about God when they don’t want to listen. We were created in his image and part of our nature is to share our feelings about him with others who would do the same. When people don’t want to hear our message, for whatever reason, THAT is what makes it difficult. I use the new tracts in witnessing but only because they point to the Bible as that is the main textbook we should be using. After finding out the many lies that have been told me by the WTS I must admit to being in a difficult situation and having a similar crisis of conscience to the one our brother Ray Franz experienced. Whilst I don’t subscribe to all his viewpoints (such as there not being an heavenly and earthly class distinction) I do feel that the most important thing we can do as Jehovah’s Witnesses is try and show his love in our dealings with others and NOT just because we want to reflect well on the WTS.
    Being an active elder, I’ve witnessed first hand how many things are not done theocratically but rather according to opinions of men and who has a stronger personality or more friends backing him. I could never put my privileges above friendships or the welfare of the congregation. I never chastise or shun someone who has doubts about their faith or the WTS as many of those doubts are well founded. The important thing is not to lose one’s faith in God. No other human has the right to tell you that you won’t survive Armageddon or that you’re not a good Christian because you don’t share the WTS viewpoint or “do enough in the ministry”. God even takes into account the circumstances of each individual.
    With the current child abuse cases and the WTS attitude towards it (not apologising, not willingly paying compensation, not changing their policies nor proving background screening of elders and servants, as suggested by the UK Charity Commission) I really find it hard to believe that Jehovah is backing the WTS.
    At the end of the day, in the grand scheme of things, Jehovah always uses and values his faithful ones wherever they may be in the earth, both inside and outside the WTS. Just as God pardoned King David when he deserved the death penalty because David himself had shown mercy to others on numerous occasions, I hope and trust Jehovah will do the same with me when his day of judgment arrives as I don’t consider myself a wicked person, just someone who is less spiritual than when he started due to all the injustice experienced within his supposed modern-day organisation. Hugs for all and thanks for listening 🙂

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