With the Measure You Are Measuring Out…

//With the Measure You Are Measuring Out…

Friday, July 15

Stop judging that you may not be judged.Matt. 7:1.

Rather than being judgmental or suspicious, if a fellow believer has been weakened by personal problems, our priority should be to provide spiritual assistance. If we pause to reflect on our brothers’ circumstances, we may see their seeming frailty in a different light. Think of sisters who have been enduring family opposition for years. Some may be of humble appearance and look fragile, yet do they not demonstrate outstanding faith and inner strength? When you see a single mother regularly coming to meetings with her child or children, are you not impressed by her faith and determination? And what of teenagers who stick to the truth despite the bad influences in school? In all modesty, we recognize that such ones, who may seem to be weaker, may be as “rich in faith” as those among us who have more favorable circumstances.

COMMENTARY

As Jesus warned, we will be judged by our own judgment  of others and with the measure that we use we will likewise be measured. And what is true for individuals is the same for an organization.

As Jehovah’s Witnesses well know, over the course of its existence the Watchtower has been highly critical of Christendom —not merely refuting their false doctrines, but publicizing their hypocrisy and worldliness, such as their deep political involvement, support for wars, their blatant idolatry, money-pandering and pedophilic clergy.

However, in recent years the leadership of the Watchtower have become hypocrites themselves. For example, becoming joined in a political partnership with the United Nations for 10 years; using various European NGOs to curry favor with the OSCE; promoting a subtle form of idolatry of the Organization; suppressing the plaintive cry of the many victims of child abuse; becoming involved with the gamblers of Wall Street and other forms of worldliness they condemn.

There are dire consequences for such brazen hypocrisy. According to the principle Christ spoke about, Ezekiel 7:27 confirms that God will judge his organization by its own judgment. “I will treat them according to their ways, and I will judge them as they have judged.”

While condemning Christendom to the fire, the Watchtower has exalted itself to heaven’s height. Like Israel of old, the Watchtower supposes it has Jehovah’s irreversible favor and protection. The Jews were certain that Jehovah would never destroy Jerusalem or Solomon’s temple located in the city on the hill. After all, Jehovah’s angel slew Sennacherib’s entire army when they attempted to lay siege to Jehovah’s city.

Jehovah’s Witnesses exhibit the same sense of false security —deluding themselves that God will always fight our battles and protect that which is touted as “Jehovah’s earthly organization.” As a reflection of their self-exultation, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been led to anticipate their being passive bystanders when God executes his judgment upon the iniquitous harlot of Babylon.

Instead, Jehovah’s anger will be directed against them. In context the cited verse above states: “‘I will turn my face away from them, and they will profane my concealed place, and robbers will enter it and profane it. Make the chain, for the land is full of bloodstained judgment and the city is full of violence. I will bring in the worst of the nations, and they will take possession of their houses, and I will put an end to the pride of the strong ones, and their sanctuaries will be profaned. When their anguish comes, they will seek peace, but there will be none. There will come disaster upon disaster, and one report after another, and people will seek a vision from a prophet, but the law will perish from a priest and advice from the elders. The king will go into mourning, and the chieftain will be clothed with despair, and the hands of the people of the land will tremble in terror. I will treat them according to their ways, and I will judge them as they have judged. And they will have to know that I am Jehovah.”’

The Watchtower has applied all of God’s adverse judgment to Christendom, including the very judgments in the seventh chapter of Ezekiel. For example, the book The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah states:

Those shocking events of ancient history were prophetic and reflect the now not distant future. When Jehovah turns away his face from the hypocritical worshipers of Christendom, what can we expect, in the light of the past? The profanation, misuse and destruction of the things now rated as sacred by Christendom, even her most sacred things, be they the very heart and center of Christendom, such as Vatican City, or the palatial residences of the patriarchs of the various sister church systems, Greek Orthodox, Constantinopolitan, Armenian, Coptic, or palace of the Anglican archbishop. Nothing will be sacred to the looters!

But if Jehovah is to turn his face away “from the hypocritical worshippers or Christendom” that would mean that prior to his turning away in disgust that he looked upon them favorably. Of course, that is not at all what the Watchtower teaches.

According to the Watchtower the antitypical sanctuary relates to Christ’s congregation. That being true, the sanctuary that is prefigured by the temple that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed is not the many sects and denominations that come under the umbrella of Christendom, but rather the one organization upon which Jehovah has placed his name, but which has been profaned.

Yes, it is Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves who must come to know that he is Jehovah —that he is a God who will not give exemption from punishment; who will measure them with the measure that they have used to measure Christendom and bring into judgment those who profane his name by their hypocrisy.

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  • e.v.g

    I can’t understand the commitment of the organization to condemn christendom, it surely is a reflection of their spiritual drunkenness. The harlot will be the worst enemy of God’s people during the time of the end.

  • Volcanic

    “And they will have to know that I am Jehovah”……..what fierce pride I have in my heart when I read those words! I absolutely love them, I have always imagined that the words will apply to all who are against Jehovah, either the atheists, the agnostics, the apostates, Christendom or just the people who generally ridicule Jehovahs people.
    I always imagined a very loud voice coming from heaven just before all these people are destroyed by Jehovah & imagined the look on their faces, but I never felt that that would do a lot of good really.
    I mean, does it really matter who is killing you at the very last moment? Does it matter if you are going to be run over & killed, whether it is a bus, a lorry, a freight train or a kid on roller skates? You are going to be dead & an inquest won’t make any difference!
    So, a big yes, to the fact that these people will know for a while who they are dealing with so they may at last come to a recognition & finally accept (hopefully) the truth about our great Father Jehovah.

    But, what another shock I had to realise that this applies also to the organisation. “It is Jehovahs Witnesses themselves who must come to know that he is Jehovah” But, again, Yes, it does make absolute sense for them to know……………Wow, what an amazing article Robert. Thank you.

    “And they will have to know that I am Jehovah”……oh, yessss!

    I pray with all humbleness that I will know it is Jehovah!

    • LW

      In the same chapter it says “you people will have to know that I am Jehovah” He is talking to His witnesses.

      • Volcanic

        yes, I see that now after this article, but it is never applied to the Witnesses by the Witnesses, LW, or at least not that I have ever heard of it

        • LW

          Well, look at it this way, at least we know the great tribulation will be a refinement phase for God’s people, so most certainly then they’ll know.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Joel2:11.
            Jehovah will raise his voice before his army, for his camp is very numerous.For the one carrying out His word is mighty; For the day of Jehovah is great and very awe-inspiring.
            “Who can endure”

            Revelation 6
            15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
            16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
            17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is
            “able to “stand?”

            .

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Daniel 8:24 b He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones.
          Daniel 8:23
          And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings* will stand up.
          24 His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way, and he will be successful and act effectively.
          He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones

          • Volcanic

            I would love a bible study with you Kevin from Bklyn & not to leave out Joseph Stephan too

    • amen

      • Volcanic

        Oooh, Dead Alien, isn’t that amazing, I love it! Do you remember the WT video about Moses (I think it was when he received the tablets of stone) a voice comes out of the sky “Moses” …..it makes me shiver every time. I kept rewinding the video so I could hear that! If I could just hear the voice of Jehovah only one time I would die happy (well, you know what I mean)

        • i agree totally. i imagine if i was with the Israelites that said out of fear they didnt want to hear Jehovah speak anymore but have Moses speak. i would have been againt everyone very upset saying NO, i want Jehovah to speak! and i wouldnt have taken no for an answer going up with Moses on Mount Sinai.

          also when is was close to Jesus death and he asked Jehovah to glorify his name and Jehovah spoke but everyone was in denial as if it was just thunder, i feel what shame on them and what loss.

          • LW

            The Israelites really didn’t appreciate the big scheme of things. Compare that with us today, who are in a different position. People have been never more estranged from the truth and so, it’s easier to have more appreciation.

            But, in their case, they saw what Jehovah did, in a literal supernatural way…but because of that lack of appreciation that’s what led them down the path of falsehood.

            The lesson is: Either way to be appreciative. Even if Jehovah himself spoke from heaven to us, if we’re not of the right heart condition, it won’t mean a thing.

          • Volcanic

            we’ll stand together & demand that Jehovah speaks, Dead Alien, lol. I would so love to hear Him roar

      • Beverly kenyon

        I know I shouldn’t laugh DA but the bit about inserting loud and thunderous voice is truly hilariously funny! Sorry, but I just can’t stop laughing at that. Lol. Oh! And thanks for posting that scripture…you feel a sense of power from those words and you just Know Jehovah means business!

        • Volcanic

          hahaha, perhaps the loud & thunderous voice is prophetic from DA, Beverly. At the last when we are all scattered, shattered & scared & we hear the loud & thunderous voice with echo, echo, echo we will all stand & remember what DA said today. We will need a darn good belly laugh by then I reckon & we can take comfort knowing that the rest of us will be laughing & rejoicing too & that we will all be together again soon 🙂

          • Beverly kenyon

            Hiya volcanic, sorry for the late reply just got back before from earning my daily crust (bread). Just reading your post had me laughing out loud again. DA is so funny. I hope we can all be together soon Volcanic, that would be the best but in the meantime we can all still meet here on Brother King’s site, laughing, supporting and up building each other because we know what will be happening shortly.

            • Volcanic

              airport >>Manchester to TFS, Beverly, 4.5 hours flight & we have lots of caves to hide in! One of our elders & his wife live in a cave & I reckon they’ll be long gone back to Germany when it all kicks off so we can go there, it’s not visible from the outside & has all mod cons.

              In fact I was telling Burt on FB that here would be the ideal place to be in the GT, not least because the powers that be reckon that the Canaries & N Africa aren’t worth invading! (All we have here is bananas, tomatoes & tourists!)

              We can hijack a boat & fish for radioactive fish, we can go to the volcano for radioactive spring water & we can hide…oh yeah!!!

              One of the villages here was only ever accessible by boat & not visible from the sea, so great for smuggling, we could hide there too………..paranoia kicking in here!

              How on earth will I manage with a small toddler & my old bones???

              The thing that terrifies me most is that we won’t have contact with each other, no phones, no internet, no Robert, no daily comfort from each other…..I could rig up 2 tin cans, but I would need an awful lot of string to be able to talk, oh, woe is me.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow, Volcanic, it sounds fantastic where you live….it’s the bananas that let it down..don’t like them. Lol. Glad to read that your little granddaughter is better, it’s horrible when they get ill because you feel so helpless seeing them in pain…horrible. Wish I could get to where you are and holing up in that cave…it sounds exciting but of course it will be filled with absolute terror! Volcanic, I KNOW you will manage, you and your family because we’re on Jehovah’s side and if the worst should happen at least you stayed faithful to him and you can come out of Hades…it will only be for a short while. A while back I think it was DA or Bkly Kevin that sent me that scripture Isaiah 26:20 where it talks about going into your inner rooms and wait until the wrath has passed by. And for the past few days that scripture keeps popping up in my mind and when I think of it my fear of what is to come just settles down and I don’t feel as anxious due to fear. I’ve read it so many times now and pondered on it. You’re right communication most probably will be knocked out but we’ll be thinking of each other…and I’ll be thinking of you screaming into your tin cans trying to get through. Lol. So in the meantime, arm yourself with as much knowledge of our Heavenly Father, talk to him more and try and get more physically fit…get those bones moving….there’s absolutely nothing old about you Volcanic….that word old is only in this vile system….I don’t put any emphasis on that word, it’s the person I see.

            • Volcanic

              Yes, Beverly, the inner rooms, I’m certain that we must follow that instruction. We will all suffer in our own ways & if I end up in Hades, well, at least I will miss most of the action. 🙂

            • V.A., Don’t you think your forgetting something? I don’t want to frighten you but………. you are settled down by a very very large Volcano. And I could be wrong-But during Jehovah’s Fury I’m betting on all the volcanos massively exploding, huge earthquakes & worldwide tsunamis . So if you hear that little voice eacho in the background to relocate sometime in the final days, don’t take it lightly.

              Much Love
              Joseph

            • Volcanic

              *groans* yes, but, the last time El Teide erupted was in the 1700’s & the lava flow split & went round the local church in Garachico when the villagers put their crosses in the path of the flow…so, problem solved…..I’ll hide in a church…hah, ya can’t scare me :/

            • are there vampires and garlic involved in this story?

            • Volcanic

              only pointed stakes & bloodcurdling howls, DA.

            • Jehovah’s will protect you sis,

              The devastation of God’s earthly organization will pave the way for God to pour out his blessing upon a chastened remnant of survivors. Joel 2:32 confirms that “the escaped ones” will receive salvation: “And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.”

            • Volcanic

              I know, JS, thank you for the Scripture. In all seriousness, I can’t leave the island. My daughter legally cannot take the baby from here & I am not leaving them. It’s very scary indeed, but where on earth will be safe? I won’t even come under the protection of the Witnesses here more than likely because I am not yet officially back in the congregation & I am not pushing for it either, although I will attend meetings. They have a ‘safe place’ planned, one of the brothers owns a food distribution warehouse so they all plan to go there, but of course I am probably shunned anyway since the convention talk, so I’m kinda between a rock & a hard place. I will just rely on Jehovah to protect us, that’s all we need really at the end of the day.

            • We all know what great love Jehovah has for his people. He did not provide the ransom at such great cost to himself by sending his son to die for us, just to leave us to ourselves when we meet up with immense problems and crisis in our lives that would prevent us from continuing on the narrow road to life. Jehovah cares for each one of us and is very tender in his affection. (Matt. 7:13-14; James 5:11; 1 Peter 5:7)

        • Jehovah is a “happy God”. we should be too. he knows we are beyond sad as he sets his example for us. ‘theres a time for everything’ – Ecc ch3

          • Beverly kenyon

            Thanks DA. You’re so right about that scripture and I especially love verses 10-13. Sometimes I get a bit emotional when I read certain scriptures because I can’t believe that Jehovah God would even consider us when we offend him so much….can’t comprehend it!! But I do know he very much wants us to be happy but it’s us who let ourselves down. I love looking up to the sky, I find it fascinating ( i know small things for small minds, lol ), so said to my friend who was with me whilst I was looking up to the sky, I said, don’t you think it’s absolutely amazing that God made just the right distance for us to look and admire the sky without feeling dizzy and sick because it’s so far up…my friend burst out laughing and said that I was completely insane! Don’t care if I’m insane I just know I’m right about that and I don’t claim to be a scientist. Lol. Hope you’re doing ok DA and you’re hanging in there.

    • Darren Wilks

      Amen

  • “When Jehovah turns away his face from the hypocritical worshipers of Christendom”??? are you kidding me? you got to be full on retard to think that… i scrolled back up to finish reading as i typed this comment and ha thats what point Robert brings out. as if Jehovah has anything favorable with lies of faults religion.

    HOWEVER, i know that Jehovah is keen with those who practice rightousness for we know Jehovah “is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” so even those who dont know the truth but have love have an advantage because as scripture says “God is love” an “Above all the things that you guard, safeguard your heart, For out of it are the sources of life.” so those with a good heart are approved by Jehovah – “I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.” (Jeremiah 17:10) “Jehovah is the examiner of hearts.”

    when the “great tribulation” is here things will be, well, a tribulation, so we must be on guard with our hearts in as Jehovah said there will be pleny of opertunity to express love at that time, in the form of oil & wine as it were

    • LW

      Agreed. And isn’t that why the future time of test will be so important?

      • even now our integrity is pushed to the limit. how much we need to be awear of our heart; keeping notice of ourselvs in hard times. may Jehovah make the way out for each of us and with our individual hearts in mind

    • Volcanic

      but isn’t Jehovah a very kind God! Although the Witnesses have preached almost the entire earth there are bound to be many who have never heard of Him & still are good, gentle people who don’t really deserve to die because they have never been ‘wicked’.
      I hear the Witnesses saying that there will soon come a point where the witnessing will stop & then ‘that’s it’ no more will be allowed to hear the message, but that’s a bit on the final side really, I mean, how will the organisation know when to tell everyone to stop preaching? It’s similar to door knocking, there is always a ‘last’ door just before you wrap up for the day…that could be the one door where someone is crying behind it for justice or help!
      So, it was lovely of you to give us that Scripture, Dead Alien, to show that even though someone has never heard of Jehovah, they will still have the chance to hear at the last moment…that’s what I love about Jehovah, His sense of fair play. One of the reasons I never finished my qualifications as a Lawyer was that I cannot abide any form of deception & by representing someone & having to maybe cover up the fact that they might be lying, well, I just couldn’t honestly do it!

      • Ignorant pompous fool

        Hi Volanic, Nice to meet you, hope you are doing well. I believe the apostle Paul touches on this very subject in the book of Romans chapter 2, verses 10 through too 16.

        But all who do right will be rewarded with glory, honor, and peace, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. 11 God doesn’t have any favorites!

        12 Those people who don’t know about God’s Law will still be punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to judge everyone who knows what it says. 13 God accepts those who obey his Law, but not those who simply hear it.

        14 Some people naturally obey the Law’s commands, even though they don’t have the Law. 15 This proves that the conscience is like a law written in the human heart. And it will show whether we are forgiven or condemned, 16 when God appoints Jesus Christ to judge everyone’s secret thoughts, just as my message says.

        I believe their are genuine people out there who are not believers for whatever reasons, who are genuinely morally upright people who contribute to the overall good of society in general. They may base there opinions of god on what religion has done in the name of god, not knowing that every religion on this planet is drenched in falsehood and is a front to Jehovah god, they commit a category error in equating religion with Jehovah. One last scripture to end this with finality. Let Jehovah be true, but every man a liar, Romans 3:4.

        • Darren Wilks

          I really love this post. Thank you.

        • Volcanic

          Golly, IPF, I was just reading your ‘introduction’ comments on another post, what a coincidence to come to your answer here. Lovely to meet you too. I’m from the Canary Islands (just off the coast of Morocco) & have been baptised going on 20 yrs now, but fell out with the WTS teachings & then I fell into Roberts site here, thanks & all praise be to Jehovah.

          What a lovely answer you gave, thank you, such great scriptures. Looking forward to reading more from you. 🙂

          • Ignorant pompous fool

            Thanks Volanic, if you don’t mind me asking, but are you currently still active with a congregation?

            • Volcanic

              Here I am back again, IPF, it’s 1.20 am & as usual here I am with blurry eyes & a great yawn developing, hah!

              I fell out of the truth about 10 yrs back but never left Jehovah, Joseph, for various reasons, one of them being that my daughter was ‘pushed’ out of the truth by the teenagers in the congregation (who have all since been d’fed) I didn’t want to go on without her, couldn’t see the point of waiting 36 yrs for a child only to lose her to death in the GT!

              Anyway, I always still prayed & one day I had this strange urge to take the dog out for a walk, got to the locked gates of my edificio & lo & behold the witnesses were wanting to get in, so I let them in without a word. I walked the dog for ages, trying to calculate the time it would take for the witnesses to leave the building before I got back, got in the lift & promptly bumped into them!!! I couldn’t back straight into the lift & my door was directly behind them so I had to speak.

              Taking the scissors to a longer story, I contacted the Org via internet & they arranged a bible study with an anointed sister for me, which was wonderful until she started stalking me on FB & getting others to stalk me too (now she is shunning me). I work online in Affiliate Marketing & they considered it was gambling, so I got a roasting & told the Elder that it was nothing to do with them, my private life is private, blah, blah, blah……not really a good move, Annie!!

              So, because of ill-health I haven’t been to a meeting since before the Memorial this year but was increasingly fed up with the bad stuff I read on t’internet, prayed & cried a lot & got thrown by Jehovah into this site **big smile**
              I am still not accepted back into the cong., but I will go back (screaming & crying after being advised to still go to meetings from members here) so that I can help anyone who is really searching. Not that that will make much difference in our materialistic cong, but ah well, one can but try!! 🙂

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Hi Annie, I was never baptised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, so I wouldn’t know how it would feel to be treated like that by supposed brothers and sisters within my congregation. Why an annointed sister would treat you like that to me sounds extremely petty on her part, why not just speak to you in a christian and loving way, stalking people on facebook for people too see and read is just down right wrong and is totally inapproriate for anyone who represents Jehovah to ever act that way,my heart truly goes out too you, even though we have never met or know each other. For me it basically ended before it even started, but I kept moving forward with the hope that they may over look my objections to certain watchtower teachings. I knew they were committed to the organisation from the beginning, but I thought individual elders might be different and that they might see what kind of a person you are during the one on one study and my study elder was a very good man and a friend of mine so I was hoping he might overlook my objections and base his opinion on me due to what he has observed during our one on one sessions, but being a elder he has to uphold the integrity of the watchtower and their teachings, so I was disqualified from baptism. But I honestly do love them and not for one moment have I ever doubted Jehovah’s existence due to what the organisation was teaching, even though to be honest my life being one massive nightmare. People who base their opinions about god on what their religion has taught them and then fall away due to being stumbled, shows me that they were never in a relationship with Jehovah to begin with, because the bible is the ultimate authority on matters, if something does not make sense to you then compare it to what gods word says and then make your own decision, don’t let people hold your hand through it all, show Jehovah how much he means too you. If you see their is an error in there teachings try to reason with people using your powers of reason but in a discreet way so as to not offend anyone and bring attention upon yourself. Like Robert keeps saying be innocent like dove but as causious as a serpent. It is Jehovah’s organisation and they are our brothers and sisters, but Jehovahs day is coming and he will soon take care of business.

            • J.M.J.

              Hello I.P.F.
              I was never baptised although as a child was sent to the kingdom hall on a Sunday .I think that my mum sent myself and sisters there so she could stay at home with a bit of peace and Quite .I learned from it as it was not enjoyable to not like it .My Mother and later my Father became Baptised maybe 10 years later .In between there had been some terrible experiences for me and I wanted to just get as far away from JEHOVAH S witnesses as I could .I tried to get back a few times and was put off which leads me to now .I am trying all I can and realize that when I was put off I was following the rules of man .Many things recently have come to light and although in a very bad situation I keep praying that JEHOVAH will forgive and find a way out for me .

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Hi JMJ, nice to meet you, I hope you are doing well? We all need guidance, this world can eat away at you, to the point where you think there’s no way out and that’s were Jehovah comes into the picture, Jehovah and Jesus is all we have, his inviting us to the most privileged relationship one can ever experience, his screaming at us ( figuratively) To run to him and he will take care of everything else. We just need too absolute trust in him.

            • patri

              Thanks for the link Joseph, its new to me today it must have passed me by a month ago so I’d like to just add this thought that grabbed me after reading it.

              Jesus said of us, referring to all those who believe in him, “I know them, and they follow me and I give them eternal life and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them away from me for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else, so no one can kidnap them from me” Joh 10:27-29 These words were in reply to the Jewish leaders whom Jesus said were no part of his flock so whilst these words are primarily concerning his joint heirs, we are included in that promise, as eternal life is offered to us also as believers. How many of us does the governing body know!

            • Love it, thanks for the reference . It grabbed me as well. ?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Isaiah 55:6
              Search for Jehovah while he may [still] be found. Call to him while he is near.

              John 17:3
              This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ

              Matthew 6:33a
              Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness.

              Psalm 145:18
              Jehovah is near to all those calling on him, To all who call on him in “truth”.

              James 4:8
              Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you “indecisive” ones.

              Psalms:32
              8 “I will give you insight and instruct you in the way you should go. I will give you advice with my eye upon you.
              9 Do not become like a horse or a mule, without understanding, Whose spiritedness must be controlled with a bridle or a halter Before it will come near to you.”
              10 Many are the pains of the wicked; But the one trusting in Jehovah is surrounded by His loyal love.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Bkly Kevin, I’ve been witnessing to my colleague and friend for a fair few weeks now, he’s now took that little booklet about the bible to read….got it from one of the carts….sorry Sister Thinking, I bet you think I’m obsessed with the carts, lol, I’m not btw but it means I can get those little booklets to pass on as they’re a little compact read. So I quoted to my colleague the scripture about taking in knowledge about Jehovah but could not remember any more such scriptures and wished I did…kept thinking about it, so just this minute jumped on EWatchman and saw all the relevant scriptures you’ve posted….can’t believe it! So now I’m going to write them down to show that colleague of mine. Can’t wait!! I know that post wasn’t meant for me but I have to a Thank You for that.

            • Darren Wilks

              IPF, if its any consolation.. I’ve been disqualified from reinstatement. 🙁 At the beginning of the year, because of Brother King, I started re-attending meetings after almost 20 years. I think I missed one meeting over 4 months. I was told by the PO…I guess they don’t call them PO’s anymore, but the oldest elder approached me and said I won’t be reinstated because I’m bad association. 🙁 Truly it did break my heart even though I know it shouldn’t. I attended meetings for another couple weeks and asked a brother to join me for lunch after a meeting.. I was just craving some human emotional connection I think. He looked at me like he was disgusted. Broke my heart. I didn’t go back after that. Thats why I love Robert and all of you so much.. because I’d be dead without this.

            • Darren Wilks

              Also just to add.. after attending meeting for 4 months .. guess how many people stopped by or called to see where I went, or to encourage me to keep coming back?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Take him there, but take him here first!

            • Joe Dman

              When I met with the elders to get reinstated, they were kind of embarrassed that I hadn’t left town in the 13 years I was DF’d. Never heard from them in all that time. It’s a town of under a hundred thousand and I did see some of them on occasion in passing. But they were too worried about not making eye contact. But wait, I just remembered, the elder that said they thought I moved conducted my mother in laws funeral a few years back. Oops, busted. As he was shaking the family members hand, he had to pass me by. That must have been uncomfortable. At least they let me sit on the front row with my wife. I kind of felt sorry for them. It was my fault after all for getting df’d in the first place.

            • Kevin b

              Well, it is their job to check on every DFed person in the territory once a year. Of course they are so busy they don’t have time to do it. So much for Matthew 18:12.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Hey Darren, hang in there brother I feel your pain. There’s nothing like being a freakazoid in the world today. I really don’t fit in anywhere either, not even in the local bars on those lonely weekends, which is where I seem to find myself, but I just keep looking ahead beyond the horizon so to speak when all this drama is behind me. there was a mention of “praying for peace” a while back, I tried it and it helped. See if it works, Later buddy

            • Darren Wilks

              I will do that, Thanks Ed. And may Jehovah bless you and your loved ones to time indefinite.

            • that elder was the bad association. …. … …

            • Darren Wilks

              Thanks bro. It’s all just faith in Jehovah and his will now. God bless you and this spiritual portal we have here.

            • LW

              Haha I liked that term “spiritual portal”

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Hi Darren, I am a loner as well, all I do is work, study and go to sleep. I’m sick and tired of coming home to an empty house, but it is what it is and I have to move forward only not with Jehovahs organisation. Something similiar thing happened with me once after a meeting one afternoon I invited a friend of mine who is a MS, to dinner after the meeting. The whole time while we were in the car, he was so paranoid, he kept telling me this is a bad idea, what will the elders think of me I was like in my head can’ t you make up your own mind up on whether I am bad association or not. I’m just going to leave it at that and not say anything more, because I can tell that he means well, but he knows what the consequences would be if was to pursue it any further.

            • Darren Wilks

              Pray for peace brother, like what Ed suggested. May Jehovah give you peace and refuge in the Secret Place of the Most High.

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Thanks Darren, hope your son is doing well.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Ignorant, I don’t know if I should address you as pompous or a fool! It not often one gets asked to address one so! And I can’t call you this in all honesty. It crossed my mind though that you may be one of the governing body because they are about the only ones worthy of such a soubriquet. Can I call you Humblebro instead? It seems to me to fit in with your ethos and humble approach. Lovely to meet you. As you can see, I’m just a dog in a hat called Burt.

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              My real is Joseph. Nice to meet you too Burt. As I mentioned in a previous comment before, I think that name describes my character all too well, but I realised that being pompous doesn’t really describe a person who wants to serve Jehovah , maybe I should change that part. Psalms 5:5 the boastful will not stand before you. James 4:6 Jehovah opposes the proud. Zephaniah 3:11 Jehovah is going to remove all haughty boasters. Oops i’m in big trouble now.

            • Joe Dman

              Actually when I first read his name, it reminded me of the t-shirts that say: I’m with stupid” with an arrow pointing to the side. So it looks like he’s calling all of us an IPF when he responds to us. Don’t tell him I said that. (This may be a post I’ll regret, especially if he takes it serious). Just funnin ya.

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              No offence taken Joe. I was just being sarcastic. You take care brother, wish you and your family the best.

            • Joe Dman

              I noticed you’re deleting everything. Now I’m worried it’s because what I said and I hope that wasn’t the reason. I wasn’t accusing you of purposefully setting it up to look like that. It was just one of those anomalies. You were posting very insightful comments and speaking for all here I’m sure, we were uplifted to see your knowledge and love for Jehovah.

            • Joe Dman

              BTW I sincerely apologize Joseph.

            • 50/50 chance you might have been right!
              Something seems afoot…………
              Could be a fluke or genius.

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Hi Joe, don’t worry everything is fine. I just deleted the comments because I was under the impression that people might not like my comments, that’s what I was sensing, so I deleted them so as not to cause offence to anyone. The last thing I wanted to do on this website was to offend anyone. Btw I have been called much worse by Jehovahs witnesses while I was studying with them. So I took it and ran with it and decided to call myself a name I feel decribes how I feel when I talk to them, there just looking at me and saying this guy is one ignorant pompous fool.

            • Joe Dman

              I appreciate that. I was worrying all day. I often fail at trying to be funny. My wife tells me it took her 20 years to figure out when I’m joking. And sometimes she’s still not sure. But as far as your comments, I don’t get on enough to read them all but the ones I did read didn’t seem too far out there. I can’t fact check now though, someone destroyed the evidence. There I go again, I’ll never learn. But hey, you can’t be too thinned skinned calling yourself that huh?

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Joe don’t worry man stop stressing, believe me it’s all good. I’m the biggest clown you would ever come across. My skin is so thick, you could never get through it. Agape brother and peace out. How’ s life in the midwest?

            • Joe Dman

              Hotter than hell. I work outside all day and drive an ATV from pole to pole. But it’s the humidity that I don’t like. Looking forward to just exactly what Jehovah meant when he said the sun would not beat down on his people. But I’d rather have the heat than the cold. I use to want to go to Australia, but now that I’m older, I’d rather just crack open a beer and build something. How’s life in there?

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              Were in the middle of winter and yesterday it was 77 degrees farenheit. Today it has dropped to 61 degrees farenheit. I guess with global warming, you can now have 4 seasons in one day.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Darren, I’m amazed to read your story. The elder is assuming the position of judge, far beyond his remit, and usurping Jehovah. Shocking arrogance. And to not even speak with you to gauge your motive….well, it leaves me breathless. Only you know if you are bad association through your knowledge of the bible, compared with your conscience, balanced with your frailties as a human being. If that was your reception by an elder, then they have no love, let alone insight. Pomposity personified. Seek peace where it may be found and continue to love righteousness. It might help to consider what bad association is measured by. It is not measured by the conscience of others, but by the standard of the bible. Such may be interpreted and limited by the conscience of others, but that is not always our concern , though through love we may modify our manner or action to save that person from stumbling. The bible is our parameter of action and thought. Through it we judge not others, so much as ourselves, for it is each to their own conscience, but the Spirit that guides our overall thinking, must be understood in its entirety if we are to gain Jehovah’s blessing. In terms of tolearn easy among our brothers and sisters; To a lesser degree, though a good enough analagy, is the difference in culture that we see even in this site. The American culture is strange to the English and vice-versa, from the banal to the complex. I once turned down some apple pie from an American once….I was never allowed to forget it….it was even home made! However, if we cannot accommodate diversity and lack insight of balance in our tolerance, through our ignorance of the scripture, ergo, forgiveness, love, that knows all things and hopes all things, and the patience to see it through, within the refinements and confinements of the bible, then why is your elder at the meeting I wonder. He strains at the gnat and swallows the camel. Jehovah reads the heart and elders and we alike, should do as the bible tells us.

            • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

              I wrote 6 letters for reinstatement before finally being reinstated….and I wrote my final letter to the CO because the elders point blank told me they were “done dealing with me.” I understand if going to meetings is just too painful. Do what you need to do for your emotional health. We all appreciate your association. You are not invisible to me. Jehovah is near to those with a broken heart.

            • Darren Wilks

              Thank you sister!

            • Alexandra Bogolin Bautista

              You could view your future requests for reinstatement as opportunities for these elders to show mercy. “Keep knocking!” (But don’t allow your status in the congregation to define your spirituality)

            • Darren Wilks

              Good idea 🙂 I’m going to take my son to the Hall for the first time tomorrow night. We’ve both been talking about it, and he wants to go.

            • Thinking

              Good for you Darren…that takes guts and faith to do that…..don’t worry if nobody pats you on the back or commends you for such a strong action on your behalf.
              Jehovah is watching YOU take your first steps against all odds…for some reason he makes us get our feet wet…and exercise faith in him before he steps in with a little commendation.
              Speaking from experience…it was hell for me to go back…and it was further hell for me to continue going back..yet after a period of time….he truly blessed my efforts….believe me..I felt him help me..
              Remember Jehovah is watching YOU….don’t worry about others in the cong…he is taking note of how they are reacting to a lost sheep….let him deal with them..
              You just worry about you and your son…stay strong brother..it will be worth it.xx
              Sis thinking

            • patri

              All the best with attending the Hall Darren…my heart goes out to you…when I returned I was met by a lovely where-have-you-been sneer, from a brother! Then a body pushed past me on entering through doors into the main hall, only to swing back with force into my person. The coordinator witnessed this and raised his eyebrows… So I leaned into him and said, Y’know, sometimes I do get an urge to go up the road to the happy clappy church.
              But…ah….to enter just knowing you’re under no hierarchical structure, no mind control, that you care about what’s actually really happening, that your heart and mind are focused on all things righteous because you are no longer owned, you are no longer part of the pecking order, nor willfully ignorant, that you’ve got yourself out if that STATE… you can enter with nothing but a gentle smile and your head held high ( not too high that they’ll notice).
              In company with your son, you’re going to have some great times! Be thinking of you…xx

            • Darren Wilks

              Thank you sister Patri! So eloquently put. Those are my feelings exactly! Thank you all for being so encouraging.

      • Matt 7:11
        amen

  • Andres Felipe

    Algo de lo que nunca he estado de acuerdo con la sociedad Watchtower es esa arrogancia de juzgar a la Cristiandad por sus acciones ;aunque tengo que reconocer que es contagioso jejeje. Siempre toman esa autoridad porque cristo juzgo a los fariseos. .pero , es que acaso cristo no tenia autoridad moral y espiritual para hacerlo? Por eso merecemos castigo más severo ….porque con esa vara hemos medido. Eso no significa que no debamos utilizar nuestra capasidad para la reflexión y dudar , pues cristo dijo que tuviéramos cuidado de lo falsos cristos ,que no les creamos!!! Pero muy diferente es lo que hace la sociedad Watchtower…no solo no cree en la Cristiandad
    ..La juzga.saber que nuestros dirigentes bien pudieran ser representados por los mismos fariseos! !! Gracias mi hermano robert …con amor cristiano desde bogota Colombia

    • translated:

      Andres Felipe –

      Some of which I’ve never been in accordance with the society Watchtower is that arrogance of judge Christianity by his actions; although I have to admit that it is contagious lol. They always take that authority because Christ judged the Pharisees. .but, is that perhaps Christ did not have moral and spiritual authority to do so? Why we deserve more severe punishment.. .because with the vara measured. That does not mean that we should not use our layers for reflection and hesitation, because Christ said we had care of the false Christs, that we do not create them! But very different is what makes the Watchtower society… not only does not believe in Christianity
      … The judges know that our leaders could well be represented by the same Pharisees! Thank you my brother robert.. .with Christian love from bogota Colombia

      • Ignorant pompous fool

        Mucho gracias senor, for that fine translation. We should assign you to the head of the translation committee on ewatchman.com

        • ha, dont thank me, thank -https://www.translate.com/

          copy, paste, translate 🙂

          yw

          • Ignorant pompous fool

            Lol I know, I was just commending you, doesn’t the writing committee at ewatchman need translators who can translate the information available into hundreds of different languages? Hahahaha I can tell your a character and a funny guy just to be around, with a name like dead alien.

            • im glad im not the only one with a bizarre user name/handle 🙂

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              I think my user name perfectly describes my character, lol. Are you in the UK?

            • Volcanic

              are you really Ignorant & Pompous IPF, or just a fool? Nah, I think you are lovely, a great brother to have in our corner 🙂

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              A fool definetely, ignorant absolutely, pompous not a desirable trait to have as a christian.

            • Volcanic

              ah sure, IPF, but you sound great. Although pompous is a traditional UK trait really, you know “really, old chap, that’s not cricket!” hahaa, hard to imagine a pompous Aussie, mate 😉

            • Ignorant pompous fool

              I consider myself ignorant because I struggle with understanding the bible. I research like crazy, but my understanding is very poor. That’s why I was always hesitant about posting, but I overcame my fear and just did decided, you know what just post a comment and take it from there, if people think my comments are irrelevant, so be it.

  • Darren Wilks
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