The Fall of the Watchtower

//The Fall of the Watchtower

Tuesday, August 23

Let the one who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall.1 Cor. 10:12.

Consider King David of ancient Israel. As a young person, he was victorious over the Philistine giant Goliath. David became a soldier, a king, a protector, and a decision-maker for a nation. But when David relied on himself, his heart deceived him and he committed a serious sin with Bath-sheba, even arranging to have her husband, Uriah, killed. When disciplined, David humbly admitted his error and reestablished his relationship with Jehovah.  So let us heed the advice found in our text for today and not become overconfident. Since we are unable to ‘direct our step,’ eventually we will listen either to the voice of Jehovah or to the voice of his Adversary. May we pray constantly, follow the leadings of the holy spirit, and always listen closely to Jehovah’s voice.

COMMENTARY

What applies to individuals may also be applicable to a group, to nations and organizations, to institutions.

The warning Paul voiced was directed to individual Christians. And we should certainly acknowledge our vulnerabilities and rely upon God not to lead us into temptation and deliver us from the wicked one.

But as a collective of believers, otherwise known as a congregation, it is also possible to not give ear to Jehovah, to be misled and to fall as a consequence. If anyone doubts the truth of that they would do well to consider the many accounts and prophecies recorded in the Bible, to which Paul was alluding, that stand as warning example for us upon whom the end of the system is coming.

It can truthfully be said that the basic underlying theme of virtually all of the Hebrew prophetic books is the disastrous fall of Israel and Judah. And woven throughout those many prophecies the fall and subsequent restoration of Israel is tied to the coming of Christ and the final part of the days, making the catastrophe that befell Israel a pattern, a type relevant to Christianity.  Consider the prophecy in the ninth chapter of Amos:

“Look! The eyes of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah are on the sinful kingdom, and he will annihilate it from the surface of the land. But I will not completely annihilate the house of Jacob,’ declares Jehovah. ‘For look! I am giving the command, and I will shake the house of Israel among all the nations, just as one shakes a sieve, and not a pebble falls to the ground. They will die by the sword, all the sinners of my people, those who are saying, “The calamity will not come near us or reach us.” In that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen, I will repair the breaches, and I will restore its ruins; I will rebuild it as in the days of long ago, so that they may take possession of what is remaining of Edom, and all the nations on whom my name has been called,’ declares Jehovah, who is doing this.”

That the prophecy applies to Christianity is verified by James in the 15th chapter of Acts. It is evident the apostles understood that the “booth of David” was the congregation of Christ, also called the Kingdom, since Jesus was the rightful heir of the throne of David. And, of course, the congregation became the “Israel of God” to which non-Israelite believers from the nations were gathered. However, there is no indication that first century Christians were called by God’s name.

Ultimately the desolation and restoration of “Israel” applies to Christianity. Jesus himself spoke of the desolation of the holy place and the trampling of Jerusalem by the nations as a prominent feature of the things to come during the conclusion. It is “the booth of David,” Christ’s Kingdom, his congregation, that is due to fall in ruins and be trampled upon for an appointed time.

The prophecies in Daniel foretell that the holy ones will be brought to ruin, the holy place being desolated and that the last king will even exalt himself against the Prince of the army —Christ himself.

The leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses find themselves in the unenviable position of having the words found in Amos attributable to them, as if they’re saying: “The calamity will not come near us or reach us.”

To be sure, the rebuilding of the booth of David is a future event. It will be manifest in the coming of Christ and the regathering into the Kingdom those whose faith survives the fall of the Watchtower, .

“For the fortified tower has been forsaken; the noisy city has been abandoned. Ophel and the watchtower have become a permanent wasteland, a delight for wild donkeys, a pasture for the flocks, until the spirit is poured out on us from above, and the wilderness becomes an orchard, and the orchard is regarded as a forest.” —Isaiah 32:14-15

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  • ELiJAHxSEVEN

    To quote the watchtowers text, “always listen closely to Jehovah’s voice”… As the watchtower claims to be Jehovahs earthly mouthpiece and utters senseless prophetic murmurings, thank you Brother King for proclaiming Jehovahs Truth so boldly from your post as Watchman….Great commentary!

  • It is a serious responsibility to bear the name of God before the world. It is an even weightier thing to wield authority in the name of Jehovah and to teach his word. Inevitably, Jehovah must judge those who do. And it is only those who speak and teach in the name of Jehovah who can bring reproach upon the name and show disrespect for the God who bears that name. For that reason, woe, indeed, for the Watchtower Society!

    • ewatchman

      Well said

    • Joel

      Here, here!

    • Volcanic

      wonderful food for thought there, J’dab, it also surely must apply to each of us individually to be aware of how we speak & teach in the name of Jehovah – what an awful thing to think we could inadvertently bring reproach on Jehovahs Holy name!

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      Well put!

    • https://youtu.be/BETYDehii8s

      Ignore the link flashed at the end !

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    The regathering into the Kingdom those whose faith survives the fall of the Watchtower is the thought for the day.

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      Well put!

  • noname

    Its probably not relevant, but they are diffinately trying to abandon a noisy city as we speak……God’s word is so wise in so many different ways…who could have invisioned a tower as their logo…..

    • LW

      You’re talking about them moving out of Brooklyn to Warwick right ?

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      I keep trying to find the so-called perfect words or phrases to wake these people up.

      But there is none but just being vocal and sincere, tactfullness boldness and honesty. Like the vocal John the Baptist. Another Watchman/messenger! It was lonely work for him at times.

      Eventually, if they are not completely brainwash, they will wake up.

      The majority won’t budge until the great tribulation wakes them up.

      How wise is Jehovah!

      • Kevin b

        The expression love is blind fits the JW mentality to a tee. A person who is in love can see no faults or imperfections in the person whom he or she loves. This also applies to a religion or an organization such as Watchtower. Nothing they do or say can break that bond of love. Just like a marriage mate, you are willing to overlook large and small infractions, and continue having a bond of love. Yet, If your mate were to cheat on you, that love can turn to hate instantly, or you my be inclined to forgive. The same situation will face each JW in the future. When Watchtower makes a huge public error or act of blatant apostasy, will JWs love turn to hate or forgiveness. Those that have had enough, hopefully will wake up and not loose faith in Jesus and Jehovah. The ones who will always forgive Watchtower will go down with the ship, unknowingly serving Satan. As much as we want to share the truths we have learned here, it will only fall on deaf ears and blind eyes for now, the apostasy must come first.

        2Th 2:3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

        In till then we must wait on Jehovah to expose this man of lawlessness. Hopefully we will all be prepared for the task ahead, to help wake people up from the years of Watchtowers control and darkness!

        • Song of Hannah

          Nice point!

        • Peter Zuccerberg

          Well well put Kevin!

          The way you put it I think and I hope will reach the hearts of those drunk on the truth that they have in the Watchtower/those still blinded.

          Truly, ‘one mans face sharpens another’ here, because I am encouraged from the way you put that!

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Peter the Point I was trying to make is to plant seeds of truth / encouragement were you can and yet be cautious as a snake when doing so yet remain innocent as a dove as not to stumble brothers and sisters In the congregation or anywhere for that matter.

            Example, there was a huge street fair that I went to a couple of weeks ago and many brothers and sisters were there with their stands sharing the good news with books and brochures along with bible conversations about the kingdom, keep in mind I was incognito and look like everyone else, however I got into a conversation with the two sisters from Russia who were visiting and I listened intently to their presentation and when they was done with the presentation concerning the kingdom I simply asked When will the kingdom come? – keep in mind it was obvious to me that these two sisters were pioneers and sharp as a double edged sword and their zeal for Jehovah was so beautiful.

            Now they gave me the answer to my question that I had asked,
            {When will the kingdom come}.

            And they showed me the seven times prophecy as put out by the watchtower and then showed me how the prophecy was calculated from 607 to 1914, now me being familiar with this topic concerning the 1914 artfully contrived story by the man of lawlessness did not dare to hit them with hard the hitting truth and blatantly refute their chronology in fear of stumbling them , instead I said there chronology sounds accurate but how can I verify that calculation?, Now they were very honest and told me they weren’t sure and they would have to get back to me with an answer after they had reviewed the subject more thoroughly but they told me it would be awhile before they get back to me because they were soon leaving to visit Ecuador.

            So we left off on a good note and exchanged e-mail addresses for future conversations concerning the verification of their
            1914 chronology .
            Mission successful seeds planted and nobody was stumble.

            1 Corinthians 3:
            6 I planted, A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow,
            7 so that neither is the one who plants anything nor is the one who waters, but God who makes it grow.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Instructions for the ministry Matthew 10: 11-14
        11 “Into whatever city or village you enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until you leave.
        12 When you enter the house, greet the household.
        13 If the house is deserving, let the peace you wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from you return upon you.
        14 Wherever anyone does not receive you or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

        • Peter Zuccerberg

          Thank you brother, for that! Thank you very much!

        • Thinking

          You are taking these scriptures out of context ..to suit a purpose they were not meant to…and I have to ask myself….why would some one like you do this …?????

          • Bklyn Kevin

            The author of the bible clearly states at
            2 Timothy 3:16 that All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness and Paul went on to say in
            Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well-spoken-of, whatever things are virtuous, and whatever things are praiseworthy, continue considering.

            Now with that being said, ask yourself – were those scriptures that I had used discouraging ? No they most certainly was not and they were meant to encourage as to show when all else fails in our personal ministry when trying to share the good news with people and we get rejected that we should know at least we planted seeds and if Jehovah chooses he will make it grow.

            • Thinking

              Depends on what sort of seeds you are encouraging Peter to plant Kevin.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You’re suggesting thinking is not gonna work, so do yourself a favor and go troll for contentions elsewhere.

            • Thinking

              you don’t scare me Kevin with your insults …nor will I ever again be bowed down by any so called brother again that would speak in Such a manner.

            • Just keep swimming!

              Hi. I feel like I’m butting in to a conversation that isn’t necessarily mine, but I have to go with my gut here. Sister Thinking: I totally get where you are coming from. You are acting like a protective Mama bear over your congregation because it sounds like y’all have been through the wringer. I’m sorry. My congregation has too. I’m happy you are an advocate for your congregation. I feel the same way towards mine.

              But the only seeds BK Kevin ever encourages people to plant are seeds of Bible Truth.

              Your comments to volcanic were thought provoking, but to assume that those of us on this forum are weaker in faith “because we stumbled” vs the “stronger, quiet ones who never leave at the hall” is a very broad brush stroke IMO. I know there’s only so much space and words to convey a message, and you’re quite brilliant with words. You intimidate me a bit, but I look up to you.

              Sometimes we become the perpetrators we once were victims of in the past. Why do you call Kevin a “so called brother?” Why aren’t you championing for peace inside THIS “congregation” like you do for your physical one? I truly believe your intentions are excellent…I guess that’s the point: we are all doing our best with our own unique style. You are more subtle and patient, whereas people like Peter are chomping at the bit to declare scriptural truths that WE AS JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN DISCUSS in our own congregations FROM THE BIBLE….not even ask questions!…and as the TRUTH SEEKERS WE ALL ARE it does get frustrating!! But at least we have THIS safe space to sometimes VENT our frustrations. IT’S THERAPEUTIC! Sorry for all the caps…I get emotional. I’m one of those who NOW sit in the back row, but honestly when I look around I’m not entirely sure if my friends are just of “stronger faith” or if they are ignorantly blissful on the WT MILK. Thank goodness it’s not my place to judge, but as an imperfect person I can’t help but make observations.

              I DO enjoy your comments so much sister Thinking. I’m happy you are unfiltered on here…I think that’s why we all speak as we do… because we can here and we can’t in our congregations.

            • Beverly kenyon

              So why are you butting in then??? The matter was settled and yes you are butting in with your two pence worth! Leave Sister Thinking alone! Stop stoking a disagreement with your back handed compliments and yes those quiet ones who never leave the hall are stronger for not taking off and leaving…it takes guts to face whatever ordeal week in and week out and relying on Jehovah for strength to bear it. STOP STOKING A SMOULDERING FIRE! Is that loud enough for you!!
              he

            • Just keep swimming!

              Yep. Thank you. Sorry

        • Joe Dman

          The elder who gave the talk brought up Math. 10:11-14. He is a very reasonable guy but is still adamant about turning in time but it shocked me to hear him say, “even if it’s 15 minutes and that’s all you can do, turn it in”. This guy is the first Witness I had come into contact with over 30 years ago. I don’t agree with the time card thing but if it keeps me in a better light with them and it encourages others, I’m going to try. It’s one of those things that if you are inclined to follow there lead and it doesn’t go against God’s laws or bother your conscience, then what does it hurt. It is definitely a personal decision. One I may regret cause now they’ll be hounding me for my time. On second thought, I may have stepped in it.

          • sally

            I haven’t got to the stage of preaching yet, but one of the things that was causing me concern when I was starting to “wobble” a couple of months ago, was when i attended the mid week meeting and at the announcements the congregation were sternly told off for having had repeated requests to turn in their reports but clearly a large number had not. It was quite a big thing with the elder saying how hard it was to do spreadsheets and get them to branch office in time when they were repeatedly having to ask for report sheets. It was also a bit obvious (to me anyway) as an observer of this, that people were reluctant to hand them in maybe for fear of not having produced the right amount of hours? all I know is that there are difficulties at our cong at least getting report sheets in.

            • Joe Dman

              I think there’s problems everywhere with turning in time. They’re always asking for it even after the deadline. But yet they don’t see it as a burden on us and the time keeper? I told an elder after I got re-instated that I didn’t think turning in time was really scriptural. But he said that when Jesus sent out his disciples they reported back to him. Well there you go. I’m so freaking stupid. Apparently there’s a lot of time to account for. No wonder the 1st century congregation eventually collapsed, they didn’t keep time. They started to with Jesus, but then, poof. SO anyway, I wish I hadn’t told them I was going to start turning in time. But I want to do as much as I can to conform. I don’t formal witness, but my job affords me the opportunity to talk to people out in the middle of nowhere. I don’t press the matter. I figure Jehovah wants those who search for him and want to know him. So I’ll bring up religion or politics and then bring in religion. I don’t press the matter and I always try to leave on a good note. I would formal witness, but I just don’t have the time. If it sounds selfish, I’d like to know how many of the brothers would stop work thus not get paid for all the hours I’ve given up to speak about Jehovah. And I’d do it daily as long as I had a willing ear. I’ve been back in about a year and a half and just now going to start turning time. Maybe I can text it in. I bet they’d get more time that way.
              It must be a trip for you to be learning the “truth” and then discover the real truth. I can’t imagine what you must be thinking. But obviously you understand it. My daughter is kind of in your boat, except she studies with me. She’s about to have another baby, we haven’t studied in a while, but I gave her Roberts book so she is intent on reading it. Poor thing, she’ll never be able to go out in field service with other witnesses that don’t know ttatt. She won’t be able to remember what they teach and what’s the truth.
              Its encouraging to see you are sticking it out and you recognize what’s going on, with the “deluding influence” and all.

            • Apple Pi

              Hi Joe, I wanted to share my own experience with turning in time. Back in 2007 I wrote a letter to the elders explaining why I would no longer be turning in a time slip. It was a combination of a lot of little things that added up to the fact that it really bothered my conscience to turn in a time slip. For years the brothers respected my decision to not turn in a time slip. Early this year, an elder and another brother made a special appointment to meet with me. I was not prepared for the ambush that was waiting for me. They pretended the meeting was to see how I’m doing (I’m basically a shut-in because of chronic health problems), but it didn’t take long for the real purpose of their meeting to come out, which was to get me to reconsider turning in a time slip. I wish I had been mentally and emotionally prepared for that so that I could have responded in a more calm and rational manner. I had a very emotional reaction to the subject and became very upset that they were no longer respecting my reasons for not turning in a time slip. I tried to go over those reasons with them, but their faces were glazed over and blank. I can just imagine what was going through their minds. Instead of having any empathy for how I felt they were probably thinking, “Here’s a classic example of a rebellious, disobedient woman.” I haven’t heard from them since, which shows just how interested they were in my physical and spiritual well-being. They had me questioning my decision, which in turn made me turn to Jehovah in prayer. I think that it’s up to each person to prayerfully and carefully consider their decision in this matter, and in the end you have to follow your conscious. My original reasons for deciding to stop turning in a time slip are still valid. Even though the elder/brothers don’t agree with my decision, it’s Jehovah’s opinion about me that matters. I don’t advertise to others in my congregation that I don’t turn in a time slip, so they can’t accuse me of starting a rebellion, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were others that also have objections to the practice.

            • Joe Dman

              Thanks for sharing that sister Apple Pi. Cute name by the way.
              Yes I agree, they are out to require strict conformity. I noticed your activity was private. Well sister, we’d really like for you to share your activities with us do that we can “trust but verify your dedication” to this website. You know I’m joking, but my point is, If it were a requirement, who of us would sick around

            • Apple Pi

              No, not a math geek. Someone here bestowed the name on me, but I have short-term memory problems and can’t remember who it was. It’s a cheerful name, I like it.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I got am used once when I was out of work. The elder told me that those who did not provide for their family was….well, you know the scripture. I just burst into tears and they left. He even brought his wife and another elder with him. Counting time all of them.

            • Apple Pi

              I’m sorry you had to go through that, but look where you are now. The hard times that we get through relying on Jehovah has really taught us even more how to rely on Jehovah. I often think how if my life turned out peachy, maybe I’d still be in a spiritual coma, going through the motions with the rest of them.

            • sally

              I am trying hard to understand it Joe Dman! A lot to learn and learning parallel to the conventional study process is one of the hardest experiences of my life. I know to progress I will need to start going out and formally witnessing. At least going, I don’t have the words yet to really warrant engaging anyone that had no knowledge at all. I just pray that that day will come when I do have the words. At the moment its just a case of what I KNOW myself. I can read Brother Roberts commentary’s and (after a good few read through’s actually understand it. The same goes with so many of all of your very knowledgeable comments. But ask me to recite it back in my own words..well that would be a different story.
              I wish you well with turning in your time! The elder in your cong did have a point about disciples reporting back to Jesus, but they should not make it so burdensome to do so, as there clearly is an expectation of what they expect you to achieve, surely better to do 1 good productive hour, than 10 meaningless ones? Anyway, you should use your hours on here to add to your time count. I for one get a witness when you post your posts.

            • Joe Dman

              Hey Sally. I just wanted to let you know that yesterday I was committed to completely leaving this site. I haven’t been preparing for the meetings properly. As you probably have read that I feel that this site is like a safety net that Jehovah has set in place for all of us here. As you may know that Sis Thinking and I share similar views about this site. It is a source of encouragement and has opened the eyes of so many to the real truth. But it can also become an addiction or even a golden calf if we put it first. As I just mentioned to Shelley, I welcomed someone to “our addiction” a while back. I didn’t realize how true that was. I went in to a little more detail but maybe you can read it.
              Anyway, before I made any drastic decisions, I gave it some thought and remembered your replies to me. They may have not seemed much to you, but they made a difference to me. Others have also showed appreciation for my comments. I don’t want to try to name them for fear I would leave someone out, but there were several, and I wish I had the time to personally thank them all.
              I put some limitations on myself. One is to put my personal bible study first, then prepare for the meetings, then I will get on here, but not past 11 pm on weekdays. I’ve had addictions before, and I’m telling you, this site can be an addiction.
              I appreciate your suggesting that I use my comments as time. I joked about it before, but you’ve spoken at a time when I’m making changes and considered a lot of things. I probably will. I was about to comment that I wished I could get rid of the upvote button. For various reasons, but now I’ll have to use it to see if anyone unbaptized has read it, so I can count it as time. So, do I count the time that I spent typing or can I also count the time you and others spend reading? Kidding. I’ll figure it out. If I’m feeling a little mischievous, I’ll count the time I look for comments to respond to. It could get crazy. Aneyway, one minute till 11. Gotta to.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Joe, I am not sure what you mean by this site being and addiction… Or could be,…. or a golden calf. I agree with you that personal bible study is a primary, but I do not understand how this site can be termed either an addiction or a golden calf. The golden calf never asked to be idolised, people attributed that to it. Right under the nose of Jehovah, …in other words, in full knowledge of the truth. This site does not seek praise, or to my knowledge, solicit it, or even respond to it when given in error. If, like Sister Thinking, you refer to the odd outburst of emotional praise attributed to the mouthpiece above the message in error, then, yes, that is unbridled and in error, but unless it is accepted, it falls to the ground unheeded. It is upon that person’s head alone. The woman who came to Jesus and anointed his feet with precious oil….did Jesus refuse that seeming praise? If I recall correctly he mentioned that no one else had offered him that kindness. And so appreciation of the word, and which this was, is acceptable given for the right reason and often I find thanks given for the articles offered freely here. That is fine. On the other hand, there is praise and adulation implied and demanded by the governing body, to the exclusion of the annointed whom they say, should not be held In higher esteem than any other brother or sister. There is the golden calf. There is no golden calf here.

              As to an addiction, this is a matter of self regulation and again, is not the fault of the site, but of the reader, but again, that depends in the value of what is being done with the time spent on it. Addiction carries a bad connotation, but there is nothing bad here, and time spent here should be valued, but balanced. Again, that is up to the user. i do not go to meetings like you do and I admire and support that you do and have the courage and dedication but ultimately, the watchtower is passing and as far as I can determine from here, the purpose in attendance is to pass on the truth to help others while the candle of life therein still gutters before being extinguished. I am not offering criticism here Joe but I am concerned that you would consider leaving the site for the wrong reason. If the right reason showed up, I would be behind you, but the bible remains true and it is us who are always in error. Please do think hard about it. Remember, one sheep is valued equally with the ninety nine and Jehovah counts you as one of those sheep….worth going after, worth saving, valued, wanted, and above all, loved.

            • Joe Dman

              Hey Burt. I may have selected a poor example, with the golden calf. I suppose I was thinking that if someone began to give more of their attention to anything, whether it be a carved image or an electronically based forum rather than to searching for Jehovah, then it could be viewed as taking away from what rightly belongs to Jehovah: Searching for him where he can be found. The website is an amazing tool that helps in our search for him but we are told to read HIS laws when we get up, when we lie down….. Although there is nothing wrong with the website, it’s how we view it. Is this where we go first thing when we get up and the last thing we view before turning in. Does it divert our attention
              from our search of the scriptures. The Israelites wanted something tangible to
              represent their God. It seems apparent that the calf was meant to be, at least
              from Aaron’s viewpoint, a physical representation of Jehovah. Ex 32:4,5. But
              Jehovah didn’t see it that way. He absolutely did not want any carved image,
              even of himself. That’s why he did not show himself in any form when he spoke
              to them in Ho’reb. He knew men’s inclination is to substitute what they could
              not see with something they could. That’s why they rejected Jehovah as King and
              demanded a physical King, even after Samuel told them of the drawbacks of
              having a king.
              In Robert’s book he says “From Jehovah’s standpoint, his people have become enamored with an organizational golden calf. Jehovah’s witnesses have been subtly seduced into giving glory to the “faithful and discreet slave” and the Watchtower, while relegating Christ to the secondary role of organizational mascot”
              So Robert makes it clear that it’s to whom or what we give the glory to that becomes our golden calf. Robert is in no way trying to seduce us in to giving him or this site the glory that belongs to Jehovah. I don’t think anyone here on this site gives to Robert or this site the glory that belongs to Jehovah. Although I’m sure that someone who wanted to make a point that some of us have given a semblance of glory to either of the aforementioned could find some hastily presented comments that would make the case. But Robert has not tried to seduce us in any way. So my apologies to Robert and to you all, and thank you Burt for bringing this to my attention. Had I done this research prior to hastily commenting earlier, I would have discovered this. So, in the spirit of humility, I digress. This site is not representative of a golden calf. I would not want to be guilty of accusing ones giving too much attention to this site and away from Jehovah, or the impression that they would be making it such to themselves.
              However, concerning addiction. You are right, the connotation is that there is something bad. And there is nothing bad about the content presented on this site. But the overwhelming desire to satisfy our ego’s is bad, i.e., checking for replies, upvotes, following arguments. How many wanted to read this reply to see how I would react. Not many probably, but I know there have been some exchanges that have taken place that I followed to see the outcome.
              You said: :Please do not think hard about it” and I didn’t even have to read that to know you aren’t starting any arguments are calling me out in a humiliating way, but with Love you have offered a firm correction not only for my benefit but for the others here and I appreciate it.
              As far as returning to the meetings. I have commented before that there are those of you here that this is your ministry. It’s where you are being used. A gift as it were in teaching and supporting those who have been directed to this site to find there way back to the organization. Sounds counter productive to tell people to get on a sinking ship in order to save their lives. But I don’t see a scriptural alternative. Jehovah knows when to make the last call to abandon ship (get out of her my people) but I haven’t heard it yet. You’re a good man Burt.
              My intent is to help us to reason that the old adage “too much of a good thing can be bad” is applicable here as well. Especially when we want to substitute our need to study God’s word with our desire to be overly involved with our comments and replies. As you said, it is a delicate balance.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I love you as a brother Joe. Wonderful reply. Keep safe.

            • Anderiega

              Thank you Joe for talking about your feelings and thoughts before possibly leaving this site.

              You and I must’ve been on a similar wavelength, but I impulsively reacted to my feelings on Monday and deleted all my previous activity. I regret it ONLY because perhaps some of my questions may have helped another new one to this site. I too felt like I wasn’t self regulating my time properly….but my issue is a smart phone thing in general.

              But when I first found this site and all of it’s SCRIPTURAL information AND upbuilding human (albeit virtual) understanding and connection, it was totally like a medicinal balm that my tired and confused mind was craving. Now I’m feeling much better so I don’t need to spend quite as much time here on e-watchman because my mind is clearer to read the Bible completely on its own. Perhaps your journey is similar to mine. That’s why it’s so encouraging to me to see “new” ones reaching out with questions and the “older” ones like dear Burt and jehonadab and MANY others are right here to ASSIST. That’s what this forum is for me: comfort, assistance, encouragement, and CLARITY in a very confusing time for us “trying to be awake” Jehovah’s witnesses and students.

              Congrats on another grandchild! Regarding the time issue…I know that Jehovah reads my heart and he knows I feel uncomfortable with it, but I gotta pick and choose my dealings with my elders…and right now I’m enjoying relative calm, although I know there’s a nearby rip current. It’s hard!!…but for now we are all balancing tough situations and paradigms.

              I deeply and truly appreciate all of y’all on here, more than I could ever express in words. Proverbs 17:17

            • 1914for100Alex

              Glad you reconsidered, Joe. I think this site means different things to different people. Nothing wrong with prioritizing, but I think it would have been a mistake to leave for good. Especially if you still have some questions on things. I know I still do. I have to believe that taking in the truths we find here, even if it’s in small doses, will keep those that are still going to the meetings on course. I’m not saying you’d get sucked back in, but I would personally worry about you. What if you started having doubts due to “smooth words”? I don’t in any way mean to imply that you couldn’t handle it, so please don’t take it that way. I admire the fact that you went back. It’s just that, if it could happen, we’d hate to lose you to “the truth”! Er, the “not truth”? “Almost truth”? You know what I mean.

            • Sam

              I don’t think you can really stay away for long. Being involved in the congregation and studying the material will soon drive any awake bro or sister to their wits end without having the balance found here. Thats how i feel anyway

            • sally

              Hi Joe, I did write a reply via discqus but for some reason it didn’t show up here! So here is the shortened version. I am glad you are staying, you are very wise in words and knowledgeable, I stand by my words that you should use your time here in your count! Fair enough to limit yourself if you feel that you are not getting the balance right, but this is just another form of studying. I see this site and the daily texts and podcasts as the most important part of my studies actually. I know it maybe a different view point from a more mature christian like yourself and you have to take care of your reinstatement, but this site offers more scriptural reading than the meetings or publications. I have read more of the bible via here put it that way so in no way is this a distraction from anything more important. Anyway, I am very relieved that you are hanging around 🙂

            • Joe Dman

              I agree with you Sally. The real truth is here and as far as gathering the hard hitting truth, there’s a lot of podcasts and articles to catch up on, and the book to read if you haven’t already. You’ll be here a while before you get to where I am. I’m sure I’ve read every article at least once, I’ve listened to every podcast and other videos Robert has put out. I even spent a few hours last night watching older podcasts that I have watched or listened two at least twice before. And if I appear humble, it’s only because I make a lot of mistakes and misspeaks and have gotten use to being corrected. I suppose the definition of being humble in my case is realizing I’d look like an idiot if I didn’t admit to being wrong. So I’d rather be wrong than to know I’m an idiot. If that made any sense. But I suppose I could be both.

              I did say that I was thinking about committing to completely leaving this site to focus on studying and being active in the congregation. I sounded like a crack addict wanting to get clean. What I should have said is that I wanted to completely leave the Disqus commenting forum. Thus leave off from commenting and replying and seeing a recent comment and spending an hour trying to backtrack the thread to see what prompted the comment or reply, reading them sometimes half way through before realizing I’ve already read them. Then checking for upvotes and replies and so on.

              I could not imagine not checking for new articles and commentaries and hoping for that illusive podcast. It didn’t take much more thought to realize how much I would miss seeing your progress and others. And to see new ones expressing joy and relief, just as you have, to find that there are others who now feel the way you do.

              Then the amazing thing is to receive encouragement from them, and even more amazing is to be able to give encouragement.

              To think, in the kingdom to have someone come up to you and thank you for helping them in some way for having helped them with an encouraging word. I know I’ll be looking up all of you to thank you.

              It’s also great to see the same faces encouraging and guiding knew ones. It’s as though Jehovah has different assignments for each of us.

              I realize that this is the source of truth for you. The WT doesn’t teach the interesting stuff anymore. They’re afraid to. They realize they would probably have it wrong. We would agree.So stay here as long as possible, and if you ever do some bad drugs or receive head trauma and think you should leave here, don’t make any hasty decisions. But if you realize you’re time isn’t being spent wisely, sound the alarm and say crazy stuff. Hey, it worked for me. Or we’ll see if it worked. If it doesn’t, then I’ll consider drastic measures. Although some may reason, if the decision is being hooked on this site and missing out on preparing for a meeting that really don’t need any preparation, Or forcing yourself to endure double jeopardy by having to go through this lightweight material twice….Hey, I’m starting to convince myself this site aint so bad. Ooo look, a new post. Gotta go.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes they reported back, but not their hours! These elders! I can just imaging Jesus suggesting the disciples start their time in Jerusalem so that their long long walk to Damascus could be counted as time . Congratulations on being a grandfather again…

          • Burt Reynolds

            Keep filling in the card brother. If that’s all they need, then let them have it. A small price to pay. You may ask them on occasion who Christ gave his time sheet to though. Just as a pointed joke.

        • Burt Reynolds

          The picture of the sun flower is inspiring. That Jehovah has made such a wonderful creation has kept me all through the years. Truely, Jehovah makes hearts grow simply through his acts of kindness.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Peter the Point I was trying to make is to plant seeds of truth / encouragement were you can and yet be cautious as a snake when doing so yet remain innocent as a dove as not to stumble brothers and sisters In the congregation or anywhere for that matter.

        Example, there was a huge street fair that I went to a couple of weeks ago and many brothers and sisters were there with their stands sharing the good news with books and brochures along with bible conversations about the kingdom, keep in mind I was incognito and look like everyone else, however I got into a conversation with the two sisters from Russia who were visiting and I listened intently to their presentation and when they was done with the presentation concerning the kingdom I simply asked When will the kingdom come? – keep in mind it was obvious to me that these two sisters were pioneers and sharp as a double edged sword and their zeal for Jehovah was so beautiful.

        Now they gave me the answer to my question that I had asked,
        {When will the kingdom come}.

        And they showed me the seven times prophecy as put out by the watchtower and then showed me how the prophecy was calculated from 607 to 1914, now me being familiar with this topic concerning the 1914 artfully contrived story by the man of lawlessness did not dare to hit them with hard the hitting truth and blatantly refute their chronology in fear of stumbling them , instead I said there chronology sounds accurate but how can I verify that calculation?, Now they were very honest and told me they weren’t sure and they would have to get back to me with an answer after they had reviewed the subject more thoroughly but they told me it would be awhile before they get back to me because they were soon leaving to visit Ecuador.

        So we left off on a good note and exchanged e-mail addresses for future conversations concerning the verification of their
        1914 chronology .

        Mission successful seeds planted and nobody was stumble.

        1 Corinthians 3:
        6 I planted, A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow,
        7 so that neither is the one who plants anything nor is the one who waters, but God who makes it grow.

        • Joe Dman

          There you go Kevin. Tact and discernment. I have been wondering about why we were given this privileged information. Most of us didn’t get it while we were active. But if we did, there no doubt were various reasons, Most notably as I’ve read many on here relate, they were having doubts when they found this site. So it appears to me that this is one of Jehovah’s safety nets. A way for a shepherd to bring back the lost sheep from near (active but doubting) and far (df’d, inactive, etc.). I don’t see that we are filling any prophecy that active ones aren’t included in. Other than being lost sheep being gathered. It’s by our nature and desire to expose the truth that we tactfully plant a seed. But that begs the question: Haven’t the brothers and sisters already had a seed planted and hasn’t it been growing? They know the basic truths. Maybe a better comparison could be made to throwing manure on them . You know, Luke 13:8. But that illustration is about one of Jehovah’s servants who is not productive. Hmm, I’m making a mess of this. Pun intended.
          So I’m of the opinion that maybe our being exposed to this information is a corrective action to remind us that we have a place among Jehovah’s people and at a proper time, we can be guides. That proper time being after the GT starts and the WT falls. I’m not saying we shouldn’t relate this information, but as you related in your own experience, tact is needed
          Fear not though. if you refuse to return, maybe you can take comfort in a couple of other scriptures. Remember when Moses selected 70 men from among the sons of Israel to help with shepherding Israel. Two of them didn’t gather with the others at the tent of meeting (the forerunner to the temple) but the holy spirit still fell upon them and they began acting like prophets like the rest. Someone wanted Moses to restrain them, but Moses said no, but that he wished “that all of Jehovah’s people were prophets and that Jehovah would put his spirit on them”. Numbers 11:25-29. And also the account at Mark 9:38,39 where someone not with the intimate group was expelling demons just as the apostles were: in Christ’s name. I originally thought of Robert and later Perimino. But by extension or in the spirit of those instances where people were not physically with the intimate group but nonetheless were still being used by Jehovah, the application could be made respecting you brothers and sisters on here who are welcoming those straying sheep. This has become your calling, for lack of a better term.
          If you’re still reading this book, what I’m trying to get at is, Jehovah has a time to test us for the love of the truth. He lays it out in 2 Thes. 2:1-12. If we present someone with that truth now, are we moving their time of test up to the present time when in actuality, we should all be undergoing this test at the same time. When Christ comes and reveals it to everyone. It’s only because of Jehovah knowing our hearts and his determination to give us every opportunity to stick with him that he has given us this truth. I’m not saying we shouldn’t tactfully paint a picture of things to come so that active ones will have something to clue them in when things turn south. I’ve don’t it. It just shouldn’t be our focus. Our focus should be to get back in Jehovah’s organization, unless you consider yourself of the El’dad and Me’dad class. But any of it comes with making Jehovah’s name and Kingdom known.
          I’m not trying to school you, just giving my perspective. You are far more knowledgeable regarding the scriptures than I. Also, I’ve been wanting to throw this information out. You just happened to afford me the opportunity to present it as it relates to your post. Thanks.

          • 1914for100Alex

            It is amazing, isn’t it? That by falling away from the organization for whatever reason, Jehovah picked us and said “pssst…I’m going to let you in on a little secret…”

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Why even bother planting spiritual seeds?. because quite frankly the former cannot reap what he did not sow. The farmer being Jesus, us being the workers to help cultivate that field.

            Now keep in mind the human brain is able to hold an unimaginable amount of information but due to human imperfection we as humans are not able to retrieve the necessary information at our whim especially in times of a crisis like the great tribulations, can you just imagine the confusion?
            I mean with such a tumultuous event going on who on earth will be able to retrieve the necessary lifesaving information that has been taught to us by Jesus through our bible studies?, Nobody I’d say”.

            Nonetheless Jehovah will provide us with the necessary spiritual provisions by pouring out his Holly spirit on man servants as well as maid servants during the second Pentecost “in those days” so that we would be able to endure It.

            John 14:
            25 “I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you.
            26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the
            things I told you.

            Now please keep Jesus words above In mind when he said
            “that one the Holly spirit will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

            Now if we didn’t plant spiritual seeds of truth in people’s minds how will the Holly spirit be able to help people ever retrieve something they never received?.
            {The former cannot reap what his workers did not sow.}

            Matthew 25:26-27
            In reply his master said to him: ‘Wicked and sluggish slave, you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow? Well, then, you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my coming I would have received it back with interest.

            I Will Pour Out My Spirit on Every Sort of Flesh.
            Excerpt:
            What is not understood or even understandable presently, is that there is to be a second Pentecost —an ultimate outpouring of God’s indomitable holy spirit. That is not to imply that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the spirit in some measure or that some persons have not been anointed with holy spirit. Did not the seventy have God’s spirit upon them to cast out demons and cure the sick? Of course they did. But they did not have the full measure of it, which did not become available to them until after Jesus returned to the Father, as the context of the text today relates.
            Read more> https://e-watchman.com/pour-spirit-every-sort-flesh/
            .

            • Joe Dman

              Very Good points. Another BK special. I appreciate your ability to recall and apply scriptures.

            • Huldah

              This is a good point. This second Pentecost idea has been jumping out at me all day.
              Love what you said about not being able to recall all information.

              HS does that for us. I know that’s true for me.

              But just as in 33CE when they spoke in tongues, it appears ones will also recieve new knowledge not just recall.

              Interesting.

              Keep up your moving no need to reply.

        • Burt Reynolds

          A word at the right time…

  • 风吹过,我来过!

  • Yuri Fisher

    Robert

    Thank you for more spiritual food for thonking JW. WT organization nearing its end. Worship of Jehovah became routine and not deep. I see it. Elders became like robots programmed to say exactly what they told to say. No live word at the meetings. No humor no free speach. Only say what WT tell yoy to say. If you say something out of frame you are in boycot. This is what they do in our congregation. Elders saw what I wrote about the soon end of WT and now they banning me. I am almost not existant in congregation. They avoid me as fire. So WT now is at the final state. This is no more worship of Jehovah but worship of GB. One word against GB and you done. I can imagine what will they do to Peter when he denied Christ 3 times. He will be out of congregation immediatly. No WT diviated from true worship a lot. They do not see it but Jehovah see it. This is why WT is doomed. Soon we will see real anointed who will go out of WT. Then we will go with them.
    Be strong.

    With brotherly love

    Yuri Fisher

    • sally

      Hi Yuri
      I am sorry to hear that you are going through such a tough time. I suppose your example is a good reason why keeping quiet about studying here is really important. Your elders are obviously aware of this site and read it if they have read what you wrote but still do not question what they have been told to believe? When you say they are banning you what do you mean exactly? If you are baptized are you saying they are disfellowshipping you? I am quite dumb on these points lol as I am only a bible study, but the good news about that is I can’t be disfellowshipped! I still am keeping quiet but am finding my bible study absolute torture. I am studying the second book “Keeping Yourself in God’s Love” and we are presently doing the chapter “respecting authority” which is all about respecting the GB and elders. I had to listen to my study sister rave about how amazing the GB is and how much they do for everyone and how mindblowing their list of responsibilities are tonight at my study. She also reminded me that they are now getting direct instructions from Jehovah and how we need to be obedient to them as we would be “spiritually harmed” if we do not. Its very hard, having found this site but I know to keep quiet at the moment. It is not fair you are being avoided but having the real truth doesn’t seem to bring about fairness right now….hopefully soon that will change.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Hello Yuri nice to meet you and glad to have you with us.

        How will the end come for the Watchtower?. Read more>
        https://e-watchman.com/how-will-the-end-come-for-the-watchtower/

      • Yuri Fisher

        Hello Sally
        Thank you for your encouragment. I am for many years in this situation. They started to persecutions long before I visited this site. We had one terrible elder in russian congregation his name Avi. Brothers call him Napoleon . So one day he did not like what I say and he decided to stop giving me talks and he started to avoid me. I moved to another cong. I complained about him to other elders but they did nothing and ignored me too. So from then on I became unwanted in their congregation too. We talked also to circut overseer but he also did nothing to help. I am banned from every spiritual activity in congregation. I am not disfelowshipped but I am not welcome with elders.

        So I started to think why they persecute me. Then I have found this site. Robert gave real hope for the future. Now I feel stronger than before. Without this site I would fall spiritually completely. Thanks God I found this site. Sally it is good that you study about Jehovah. Salvation will come from Jehovah not from WT. Even if you do not baptize with them Jehovah will save you in times of tribulation. I think many will come tp Jehovah after collapse of WT.
        Remember Jews of 1 century. Not all followed jewish religion and saved were only who followed true christians. So today WT became like jewish religion of 1 century. Harsh. So today only those who will go after true anointed will be saved.

        Blessings from Jehovah

        Yuri Fisher

        • Volcanic

          Bro Yuri, my heart is breaking when I read your words about the terrible treatment they give you, I feel so very sad! They are wrong to treat you this way – what happened to ‘brotherly love’ in the congregations these days? Stay here with us & enjoy the warmth of true friendship & true family love.

          Oooh, I am so angry & upset for you, stay strong our dearest brother & your family.

          • He is a true inspiration of faith, after all he has been though. Praise Jehovah!

            • Volcanic

              Praise Jehovah indeed, J’dub! Greatly Praise Him. Where would we all be without the wonderful inspiration we receive from Him here?

      • Volcanic

        whoops, Sally, ‘spiritually harmed’ if you are not obedient to the GB? Do they have little silver toffee hammers to beat you on the forehead & make you toe the line? Keep schtum, my love, you are being very strong & brave, you will make it 🙂
        I often wonder if Jehovah is ‘reading’ the comments here about how his people are treated by His so-called shepherds? He must be horrified. I know I seem to be stomping around this site today & getting more & more irritated by these reports………..best I go off to FB & see what they have to offer 😉

        • sally

          Yes the chapter is a particularly long one we haven’t finished it yet 🙁 Here is the quote from the book in which being spiritually harmed arose ” He tells us to respect congregation elders because failure to do so will cause us spiritual harm. (Hebrews 13:7, 17)” This scripture does point out “as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith”. I repeated this part to my study sister but it just goes out the window there is absolutely no questioning of anything. Its all done and dusted as far as she and the congregation is concerned. We also read another scripture from Corinthians about obeying the elders so that they have joy and do not sigh. She said this one is read a lot at meetings. The book says we will offend God if we do not accept scriptural counsel and be submissive. I am being submissive I think but I asked what this actually meant? I didn’t really get an answer so I don’t know what it means. There IS a scripture from Paul in a letter to the Corinthians that advises to be submissive to those taking the lead in the Congregation and this is used a lot in the respecting authority chapter but I just feel its taking advantage. Maybe I am wrong?

    • LW

      Although Bethel considers the source of this information to be a apostate, the truth is, many newly anointed persons consider e-watchman to be a reliable source.

      Hint, hint 😉

      • Volcanic

        In the words of Bro Bklyn Kevin…………POW!!!, LW, truth indeed & I wish they would all make themselves known to us & all the lurkers too. Would be great to meet everyone who actually only just reads here.

    • ELiJAHxSEVEN

      I think this is why we are all here on this site Brother Yuri…Jehovah knows who truly loves Him!

      • Volcanic

        2 Samuel 22;3 “My God is my rock, I shall take refuge in Him. My shield and my horn of salvation, my secure height. And my place for flight, my Saviour, from violence you shall save me”

        • ELiJAHxSEVEN

          I shall shout it from the mountain tops!

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      I can’t help but think about how Jesus preached.

      At the few times he did go to a synagogue, he didn’t to worship with them, he went there to ‘preach to them ‘. And he was attacked time after time in preaching the truth.

      We should be bold like him, not hiding and silenced out fear of men. Isn’t this what it’s all about in being a real Christian?

      I am probably more fortunate, I didn’t develop multiple life long friends and associations along with family members, which consequently sews-you-in to there shunning/disfellowshipping system, which is a very useful tool to control…so I move freely.

      I hear many stories of people going through a nightmare with lost friends and family members etc.

      But didn’t Jesus Say: ‘If you love… mother… father more than me…you don’t deserve me… ‘

      What a test being played out by thosands!

      Sooner or later in the very very near future, we all are going to have to make even tougher painful decisive decisions that make shunning, a walk in the park.

      This is an excellent opportunity to show Jehovah we are not cowards and Serve Jehovah vociferously, not hiding at the back of the Kingdom Hall!

      • Yuri Fisher

        Hello Peter
        It is very good point. We all tested now by WT org. Man of lawlesness sits in the middle of it and gives lovers of truth there a hard time. I am on your side in this issue. We all need to tell WT where is wrong. Most do not speak out. But you are right. Some day we all will be forced to decide to go after Truth of after WT. I myself already spoke out in my congregation. My elders know I am not agree with WT and GB. This is why I am persecuted by them.

        Yuri

        • Peter Zuccerberg

          Thanks for replying Yuri. You are not alone brother. I am glad you let people know exactly what you’re going through because that opens up a floodgate of people. You just helped me. Thank you.

          Doesn’t it say in Proverbs : “One mans…face sharpens…another… “

          • Yuri Fisher

            Thank you too brother Peter. Here we can encourage one another without beeing pressed by WT. We have freedom of speach. We also recieve real spiritual food. No false teachings and no skin deep love of elders and some brothers. We can survive only if we have true information about future prophesies. From Robert book I took much valuable information. Also GB took some information from his book and presented as new light. What a shame. I see now how treacherous Man of Lawlesness can be.

            Yuri

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      • Thinking

        You speak foolishly Peter…you are very unwise and unloving in your actions
        You are actively stirring up ones to cause divisions amongst our brothers..

        So what happens when you take it on yourself to WAKE these brothers up ….what do you think they will do…all you will do is cause anarchy and mayhem…I hope no body here listens to your ramblings..as you lack spiritual maturity…and there is nothing wrong with that as we all are growing all the time..but you are trying to make others see your point of view ..and it is a dangerous view indeed ..
        Where were those who got the mark from the inkhorn .

        Ezekiel 9:4 Then Jehovah said to him..Go THRU THE CITY, thru JERUSELEUM and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the city.

        So these ones were where they belonged to get this marking…AMONGST GODS HOUSEHOLD!!!!..just like they should be today..

        So where will these ones be when judgement day starts….right there amongst Jehovahs people..in his house hold…the scriptures tell us this..

        EXEKIEL:9.6 …old man young man virgin little child and woman you should kill of BUT DO NOT GO TO ANY MAN ON WHOM THERE IS A MARK.
        You should start from MY SANCTUARY..so they started with the elders who were in the front of the house.

        Peter..these ones REMAINED in the sanctuary….when their judgement came…by remaining in the sanctuary they saved their lives….

        Yet you dare to say these very ones are like cowards sitting in the back of the hall…where as they are in fact humble, wise and very very strong….they have much love for their fellow man and brother ….

        This is what you lack …you are also very self righteous .
        I do not write this for your sake…as I know you will not listen..but I write this for the ones who may think you are right..when you are in fact misleading them.
        You are acting in a reckless manner..and I have little tolerance for ones like you..our brothers and sisters are hurting….Christ bound the hurt ones up…he loved them gently..he was patient and kind..he built these ones up.

        Jesus only spoke against those LEADERS of his people….he called them out…if you wish to do that…then go to them …go to bethel and do it….but leave his hurt sheep alone.

        • Volcanic

          Sister Thinking, with the greatest respect, I do think you came down rather harshly on Peter, you have done this previously on another article here too. I sensed a lot of anger in your comment to him & I am certain you did not intend it to come across this way.

          Peter is possibly fairly young & very zealous for the absolute truth & is eager to help out those within the congregations, possibly a tad prematurely, but nevertheless, his heart is in the right place.

          I feel you might have read his message wrongly, in that he is trying to help those ‘who are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the city’, i.e. the sanctuary. I fail to see where he is stirring up anarchy & mayhem, in fact Bro Robert has told us that we will all have a part to play in the future to explain things to those who are lost when the WTS is judged & found wanting.

          He said “This is an excellent opportunity to show Jehovah we are not cowards and Serve Jehovah vociferously, not hiding at the back of the Kingdom Hall!”
          You replied “Yet you dare to say these very ones are like cowards sitting in the back of the hall…where as they are in fact humble, wise and very very strong….they have much love for their fellow man and brother ….”.

          Sister, he was talking about himself & others of us here that we should not be hiding at the back of the KH, not the actual congregation members. I think he is very much aware that our brothers & sisters are hurting & is eager to help where he can, as I said, perhaps a tad prematurely, but however, there will come a time when we all have to step up to the line & do our bit to help those struggling dear ones.

          As you so rightly said “Christ bound the hurt ones up…he loved them gently..he was patient and kind..he built these ones up.” We need to consider that advice when dealing with our brothers & sisters within this group of people too & hopefully we all strive to do that as I know you do.
          You also castigated Bro Kevin for giving Peter advice on witnessing, by quoting what Jesus told the apostles. That was excellent advice & should be pondered over very seriously by Peter.
          Have a lovely evening dear Sister Thinking.

          • Thinking

            Hi Volcanic,
            Yes I know he was talking about us here ..as the ones hiding in the back of the cong like cowards?????
            I know he was not talking of the congregation…..what you cannot see volcanic..just in that one statement he is insulting all those that choose to be humble and CAREFULL.. About those brothers and sisters in the congregation ..almost laying down a challenge to all of us here to follow his suite..
            This I object to very firmly….and no I am not angry..but frustrated as he continues to promote such a action….
            His actions wether young or not…only causes divisions..and should not be encouraged as Kevin did with a scripture that was misused.
            As far as castigating Kevin was it not Keven himself that called a brother a liar and deceitful right here on this site????
            Was that okay by you?….is Kevin allowed to dish these words out..but no one can question his use of scripture?
            As far as I know ..no one corrected him on that one….???
            The scripture he used ..was to support Peter in his unwise course…I called that In to question …and still do…

            As far as us being used to help ones who’s faith may be shaken in the coming times..yes we should be there to SERVE our brothers …not to shaken their faith ….we have no right to do that …Peter..you. Kevin or I have no right to do that ….Peter is instigating ones to do this..and yes..I will call him out on it .

            The information we have been given Is because we were weak….yes everyone of us were stumbled….we allowed man..to stumble us….we did not exhibit strong faith in Jehovah and we lacked something…….and Jehovah in his mercy showed us some In formation to strengthen us..it is not wrong to stumble..but we did….but we only got back up because of our Great Gods mercy.
            Many in the cong see wrong things..but their faith was stronger than ours..they stayed put ….and relied on Jehovah to fix things…many of us did not have that strong faith….we became inactive as I was..and left..
            I/we were weaker in our faith than that of many of those that remained.

            Jehovah had to show us extra mercy..extra kindness ….because we were weaker than others in the cong …who saw what we saw..and were hurt as we were…yet stayed .
            So when we go back to the congs and to the meetings….why are we so cocky as to try to wake ones up…if anything..we should be extra humble ..knowing Jehovah had to come to our rescue…and that their are many in the cong that passed the test that we failed.

            The congregations ..and we the brothers and sisters not only have to live with the man of lawlessness but also from ones that are in the congs trying to pull ones out of it…and yes..there are ones that deliberately try to do this….I have personally spoken with them.
            Anyone that goes into the cong…to wake ones up…is highly suspect to me.
            Now then ..I have spoken too much again…but before I go..I would like to reassure everyone..I am not a shrill of the WT…which someone alluded to on here ..nor am I angry????…
            I will encourage all to go back to their congs if at all possible…and grow even more in the fruitages of the spirit….sites like this and forums are good and serve a much needed purpose…but we must never be content with just staying on such things….because then we just become like clashing symbols.
            Biggest hugs to all here…and hopefully we will all meet up in the near future
            Sis thinking

            • Volcanic

              I still hold to my comment that you have possibly misread or put too much emphasis on Peters statement, Sister Thinking, however, I will leave it at that.

              You seem to want to bring out more points than the one I raised & this is neither the time nor place.

              As far as the things Bro Kevin has done it is not my duty as a sister to counsel a brother, he obviously has his reasons for what he said.

              I have said my piece & will not allude to it anymore. Goodnight, Sister.

            • Thinking

              You are a very kind sis and tho we disagree on a certain matter. ..let me reassure you I respect your point of view …I hope you have a good night or day too sis….hatever it’s is in the Canary Islands ?

            • Volcanic

              it’s morning, my darling Sister, my day hasn’t started well, my daughter was taken to hospital for observation with heart problems & her baby daughter will be back home in 30 mins after staying overnight with her Papa, (chaos will rule for the rest of the day-I’m enjoying this few minutes of peace). But, it’s all okay, we get through these things & many others in this world have far worse problems than us, at least we aren’t being bombed out of our homes yet.

              It isn’t worth feeling stressed about what people say or do. I’m quite certain that satan has a spy in this site & would dearly love to see us all fighting – I’m not prepared to put that particular feather in his cap for him 😉
              Whenever I see or hear something I am not awfully keen on I find the easiest way is to bow my head in prayer & in that way the perceived insult/objection just floats over my head & off into cyberspace. Lack of visible body language is always a problem in the typed word.

              Love to you, SIster xoxoxo

            • Joyce Haze

              Dear thinking, please rethink, I feel all this is so unimportant in the big picture of things. The whole purpose in this site is for each of us to help, love and most of all learn of the love of JEHOVAH and his Son. We have just gotten, maybe a little off track!!! I care deeply about each of my online sisters!!!

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Podcast #14 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-14/

        This program considers caller’s questions regarding how to go forward in the knowledge of the Watchtower Society’s errors. Also, email questions concerning various aspects of chronology.

  • Yuri Fisher

    Sorry for mistakes.

    • No worries Yuri, we understand what you are saying & enjoy your comments!
      Keep them coming brother.

      • Yuri Fisher

        Thank you very much for your encouragment. I also enjoy your comments. We all here encourage one another with true love and true words. WT became for us like a spiritual preason. You cannot say nothing that goes against their false teachings. They attack you and destroy your spiritual thinking. This is why all brothers in congregation affraid to think logically. Persecutions follow after every different word. It is not Christ way at all. Jesus did not avoid Peter after his denial of Christ. Others who believed a little different were not avoided. Sorry to say but today WT became police and not brotherhood. I came from country that was a police state USSR. They ended badly. I told elders that they like a police state no freedom of speech. I am persecuted now even more. They know I do not believe GB. So they deny me every activity. What a shame they fall so low. I am not affraid of them. I only feel sorry for them.

        Blessings from Jehovah to you.

        Yuri

        • If you find yourself expelled from your congregation on the bogus charge of apostasy, because of your loyalty to Jehovah, as has already been the case with many of our brothers and sisters, do not despair. Jehovah has promised that he will not leave his loyal ones. (Psalms 18:25; 37:28) He will support you and strengthen you, helping you to endure as long as you continue to be obedient to him. “But listen to what God has to say to you who reverently respond to his Word: ‘Your own families hate you and turn you out because of me. They taunt you, ‘Let us see God’s glory! If God’s so great, why aren’t you happy?’ But they’re the ones who are going to end up shamed.” (Isa. 66:5, The Message) You can be sure that “none that rests his faith on [God] will be disappointed.” —Romans 10:11

          • Yuri Fisher

            Hello brother Jehonadab

            I am very greatful to you and your encouraging words. Too bad we cannot meet together. I am not affraid to be expelled from congregation on for this reason. Jehovah sees all injustice done to many brothers and sisters in JW congregations. I am not alone. But when it happened at start it was paiful. To see how everybody of elders turn his face from you. Now I see that it is not my fault in what happened to me and I feel better.
            How did you get to know this site? What caused you to vesit and comment on this site.

            Blessings to you

            Yuri

            • I to have became upset & stumbled over recent developments and revelations of wrongdoing and errors in the conduct and teachings of those who have been looked up to as leaders in the organization.
              Please keep in mind that the present troubles that we are experiencing within God’s household, including the testing of our faith, must occur for Jehovah foretold it; otherwise, “how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that it must take place this way?” (Matt. 26:54; Luke 21:22) “You know that you learn to endure by having your faith tested.” May Jehovah therefore help you to endure, as he does all who continue loyal to him, being patient and trusting in him, not growing weary; but with full confidence that you will receive all that he has promised. (James 1:3, CEV; Rev. 2:2-3)

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Joe, you have to remember that Jesus was talking to his apostles (the anointed)
              the test we face is a little different and doesn’t exactly apply to us. Keep seeking brother!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Are you in Russia Yuri?

            • Yuri Fisher

              Hello Burt

              I was born in USSR. In Ukraine. I am a Jew. So now I live in Israel. I am going to Tel Aviv congregation. And you from where?

              I like your comments and also many others. I can get so much encouragment from them.

              I wish we all can overcome GT and enter into new world.

              Yuri

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Yuri, I live in Kent, in England, just outside of Margate. It looks like we have brothers and sisters her from all over the world. It’s becoming an international congregation.

            • Yuri Fisher

              Hello Burt
              It is nice to have you and others here together discussing real meaning of Bible. I am really glad to find such a great international congregation. Not only WT have international congregation. What we have here on this site is much better. Here I feel true spirit of love from Jehovah among us.

              Yuri

  • LW

    Remember Satan’s challenge…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mu40b5RYXAk

  • Yuri Fisher

    Hello all my dear brothers and sisters here in our little spiritual congregation. Thank you all for your encouraging comments here. I really thank you for all your help and I know that all of you really love Jehovah and truth. We are now nearing very difficult times for all who love Jehovah. WW 3 is about to start and 8th king is ready to appear. WT will not stand for long. Because it is corrupt from within. So we should stay together and encourage one another. True anointed like Robert King will help us and we will help him to be strong. I think also other true anointed will appear after WT collapses. They will be free from harsh treatment of GB. Now it is not easy to see who is who.

    Thank you ALL again and blessings tp you from Jehovah.

    Yuri

    • The gathering of the nations in the aftermath of the locust’s plundering, represents the gathering of the nations for the war of Armageddon. Due to their plundered condition and in response to his people imploring him for help, Jehovah will pour out his spirit – yes, even upon women. Those “powerful ones” that come down will be Christ and his angels along with the 144,000, some of whom will be on earth ministering in the house of Jehovah at the time of the catastrophe. Their deaths and instantaneous resurrections immediately prior to the war will allow them to be among Jehovah’s army that will crush Satan’s world. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/719a321215ac5281cce876ff502cb2dba53f98523036af20dc0ed8bcc2c6d66f.jpg

      • LW

        Ooooh, I think I just understood the illustration. Is this is supposed to be depicting the transition of an anointed chosen one to a spirit person?

    • amen

  • Beverly kenyon

    Hiya Just keep Swimming, I’m sorry if I came across as an attack dog and a keyboard warrior but Sister Thinking is my friend and sister related to me in the truth and I tend to just stand up for any friend of mine…I don’t care what they’ve done! But you know what’s ironic…is the fact that you’re one of those strong quiet ones sat at the back of the hall, biting your tongue until it nearly bleeds sometimes I bet. All of us have read your anguish and struggles at your KH and with the Elders waiting to pounce because you’ve actually spoken up and questioned. Only yesterday at my KH during the Watchtower study I thought of you when we got to Paragraph 4 page 14 where it talked about that it was reasonable to conclude that Jesus now knows when Armageddon will occur but before that in the same paragraph it was mentioned that concerning that day and hour nobody know, only Jehovah and you quite rightly wrote, Whaaatt! There’s other strong quiet ones like Yuri Fisher and his wife who’ve been enduring bad treatment for a while now but he’s still sticking it out in his congregation and Sreck Sostar who first reached out to you a while back…that man has suffered bad treatment and all the other countless, nameless strong quiet one hanging on barely by their fingertips…waiting patiently for Jehovah to put things right…and he will soon through his King, our Redeemer Jesus Christ..that I do know for sure will happen…so Sister Thinking has got a point. And in the middle of all this where is Peter Zuccerberg? He talks about we have to show Jehovah that we’re not cowards…well the Apostle Peter said to Jesus on that dreadful night that he wouldn’t abandon him and that’s exactly what he did. The time is coming when Peter Zuccerberg will have to action his words and I hope for his sake he doesn’t cave under the pressure and live up to his namesake and end up being a coward himself instead of wafting around now from KH to KH like he’s some sort of Super Hero! He should be more pro active in telling about God’s Kingdom and all the incredibly marvellous benefits it will bring for mankind. Once again, Just Keep Swimming I would not deliberately hurt your feelings but I felt compelled to say something regarding my friend.

    • Thinking

      Thank you Bev…I would love to have you by my side in the final part…lol..
      Just swimming has deleted his comment..or her comment….but I would like to answer it.

      Just swimming…I am actually trying to step away from this site…but you have addressed me with a question and it would be rude of me not to answer.

      I Am speaking to you in a very gentle tone…in a humble manner..as a sis .
      Can I ask why you did not come to my defence when Kevin spoke to me in a bullying manner ..alluding to me as a troll..and telling me to move on”?
      What did I do ..to get such a insulting remark from him?
      What contentions am I causing on the site?
      As he accused me off….because I questioned him??
      Is he above that…am I above that…??
      Why did he attack me like that….yet you are questioning me and my motives?
      I don’t understand this?
      Kevin straight out bullied me…just as the elders in my cong bullied my son..
      Bullying is not something any brother or sister should be part of…on a site ..forum ..or KH..

      Why have you not pulled him up for that…why are you pulling me up…for my answer to him.
      How do I know if he is a brother…how do you know I am a sister..you don’t .
      You ask why am I not pursuing peace with in this site..huh?
      So far I have been alluded to as a shrill and now a troll…when I am neither.
      You see Just for swimming..when my son was bullied out of the cong …he ended up dead.
      So when I see ones like Peter going into like a loose cannon…I see the danger to my brothers and sisters…and yet no one speaks up..sorry ..but I did nothing wrong…and if I’m bullied…I will stand my ground…because it is just plain wrong !!

      Can I just gently clear up something you have misunderstood….and it perhaps is my own fault here..as I may not have explained it very well..as you say ..sometimes when writing it does not come across very well..

      I do not think those that sit comfortably with in the cong are stronger than us that may have been stumbled out of the cong for a period of time..
      I did not mean to imply that…as what do they have to be strong about ..as they are content with things.

      Yet the ones who have been HURT..that see the WRONGS with in the org..they are the ones who are stronger than the ones like me…they stayed put….whereas I stumbled….they are very strong indeed …and there are a lot of them..
      These are the ones I was talking about…and who am 8’to be going in to wake anybody up…..this all has to happen..it is part of prophecy …Jehovah is watching for those that remain humble…and await the time when HE GRANTS permission to speak up.

      Now then…I wish you well just swimming…keep the faith..times are tough …I believe we are already being sorted out…just a personal belief …so hang in there

      Sis thinking

      • Anderiega

        First, I’m so sorry about your son. I had no idea. My heart hurts for you. I can’t even imagine all the things you must’ve gone through.

        Second, I guess I did subconsciously “take sides” as the questions you pose are very valid. I’m sorry. I consider you my sister AND I consider Kevin my brother. I don’t know y’alls past, nor do I need or want to know.

        I honestly didn’t even think people would notice I deleted my other account, but too late!! Whoops. But I wasn’t hurt by you or anybody. Actually, I think my thyroid is acting up…lol. But seriously, our physical bodies process our emotions, and my body is messed up. We all are…I think that’s yet another reason why many of us (on this forum and in the congregations) are on edge and super sensitive. I sure am! Poor Robert…. hopefully he isn’t concerning himself with this playground misunderstanding. But I absolutely want you to know I value your words and I value your struggles because it’s made you the strong woman you are today. Ecclesiastes 7:8.

    • Daisy

      P Zuccerberg has said himself that quote, he likes people who say it just the way it is unquote, so he shouldn’t have any issues with you Beverly!
      Must remember too that he’s never been baptised & went door to door quote very very very seldomly unquote.
      All will be revealed…

      • Beverly kenyon

        We’ll Daisy, I hope all will be revealed ( whatever that means )! I don’t know this Peter Zuccerberg guy but I do know he has a bit of a cavalier attitude towards talking about the truth and I don’t care either way if he has issues with me! It’s a pity Daisy instead of being quick to weigh in about this Peter Zuccerberg guy you weren’t quick to stick up for Sister Thinking when she was getting verbally battered! And don’t think I haven’t noticed that you’re quick to have little digs at me given the chance…if you have issue with me then get it off your chest! Now, if you want to verbally spar with someone go find another victim as I respect your age and the fact that you’re poorly and for those reasons I don’t want to get into it with you!!!

        • Volcanic

          Ladies, I am replying to Beverlys comment only because it appears to be the newest. I have come in on this conversation very late & it seems some comments have been removed, but I am presuming that all this is because I mentioned to Sis Thinking that I thought she was a little harsh on Peter & had misread his comments.

          I said those things in the kindest way I possibly could & with respect also because I happen to be fond of Sis Thinking & consider her a great sister. I had no intention of fighting with her & I’m sure she knew that.

          The matter was settled very amicably by the two of us, I thought, & I don’t see any need for ‘sides’ to be taken because in my eyes, there was no ‘battle’ going on for anyone to need to take sides.

          I could use my best grandmother voice here & say ‘if you don’t stop arguing I will bang your heads together & you will all sit in the naughty corner for 2 hours with no sweeties after lunch’ but tbh I don’t feel like carrying this on any longer than it needs to.

          I feel extremely guilty that I brought the matter before Sis Thinking now, but I still feel that maybe Peter, whilst he could be a bit more tactful, does have a bit of a point (that just needs softening) I also recognise that Sis Thinking has a lot of hurt inside her & sometimes it comes across as harsh, but she is not harsh, just a straight talker & trying to be a great witness, which she is!

          Anyway, since I started all this, I will be the one to finish it & delete my account here.
          WW3 will start without us taking the first pot shot at each other!

          Great knowing you all & I apologise if I have ruffled too many feathers by trying to smooth out a few rough edges.

          • Beverly kenyon

            Noooooo Volcanic, it’s absolutely nothing to do with what you said. Please don’t leave…absolutely adore you. You’re so well liked here with all your warm, funny, loving clever human comments. I’ve learned from you and I’ve shared some of the best laughs with you here on this site. You’re a wonderful woman and a very loving sister. The matter was resolved between you and Sister Thinking as you’re both such caring, feeling, empathetic and loving and forgiving sisters in the truth. I’m willing to go in the naughty corner for hours with no sweets if it means you not leaving EWatchman. Hope you have a change of heart. X

            • Volcanic

              aaah, sooooo…………I have a small piece of chocolate hidden in the fridge if you want it, Beverly. There are also some nice ‘Jesus books’ stashed in the naughty corner by baby, I’m sure she won’t mind if you read them there 🙂 xxxxxxxxx

            • Thinking

              Now let us get a whole block of chocolate and get that Daisy in here too…???

            • Volcanic

              I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned chocolate!!!!

            • Sister Thinking, I hope you reconsider leaving us here at the watchmans corner. You are a very valuable contributer to this post. And your balanced view of the WTBTS has helped so many see the importance of going back. Who else is doing that? Nobody other than Robert. So enjoy your time with your congregation, but share with us some of your previous wisdom when you can!
              Love you sis, https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e046867446cb1e9902c4a6e29cf1032c6ff10fdfd6d35310b2da9f8a92f57c61.jpg Jah bless

            • Kevin b

              I agree Jehonadab. I love her comments. I think you should stand up for what you believe in. Just because we sometimes don’t agree on everything doesn’t mean we don’t love each other. Many of you sisters here may not know this but if you were a fly on the wall in an elders meeting you’d be surprised on how the brothers really don’t get along and have cliques. I’ve seen it first hand. Forgive and forget.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yessss! It’s gonna be worth it being in the naughty corner then Volcanic! Lol. Now that’s what I would miss…that sense of humour if I no longer saw your name here on this site and I know for fact a few people here would feel the same way! It’s it written in God’s word that we have to make peace and forgive our Brothers/Sisters if our sacrifice is to be acceptable to Jehovah and don’t you feel like a weight has been lifted when you do that…I hate conflict but I can ‘brawl’ with the best of them if you know what I mean. It’s like I might not have agreed with some of what was said in that disagreement between Sister Thinking and Bklyn Kevin but I absolutely love that man…he’s always there, constant to help with bible knowledge and scripture, he’s always helped me and I don’t forget stuff like that also I loved that post of his about the street party…wish I was there it sounded amazing but better with a couple of cheeky coctails thrown in, lol, and the conversation he had with the Russian sisters and how he drew them in cleverly…that post was great! I didn’t want to get involved in their disagreement because I knew that as spiritually mature witnesses they amicably would resolve the matter. Didn’t the apostle Paul have a heated row with…was it Barnabas…can’t remember off the top of my head, reading the account you would’ve thought Paul was gonna knock him out! So I’m not naive to think these sort of things won’t happen amongs imperfect people…we’ve all got a temper! Lol. Hope you’ve had a change of heart Volcanic. Much love. X

          • Joyce Haze

            Volcanic, please, what’s going on. This literally breaks my heart!!! I wish you all knew how important you’re friendship is to me!!! Please!!

            • Volcanic

              It’s okay, my darling Joyce, I had enough chocolate to go round everyone so all is happy again, don’t worry.

        • Daisy

          Well! Pass me the smelling salts & pick me up from the floor!
          What a load of rhubarb!
          P Z has arrived folks…and he has his own agenda…
          Read his early posts to get his ‘gist’?

          • Beverly kenyon

            I’m not a follower of PZ so I’m not interested in his agenda and I’m sure his ‘gist’ is what rhubarb does to you when you eat it! This issue is OVA! Yesterday’s news! History!

          • Joyce Haze

            Hello Daisy. Hope you are doing well! My, you have been through so much, a lesson to us all, your strength and faith that keeps you always moving forward! I so admire you and enjoy your posts. I am sure you feel as I do, that JEHOVAH gives us the strength to let go, and move forward to a new day. I hope all who have been hurt can reconsider and come back to the site. Treat it as a New day!!! Love from the one who needs and counts on all of you!!!

            • Daisy

              Hello Joyce,
              A brother approached me at the kh on Sunday who told me that he’d had all his ribcage replaced with titanium & said, since he survived such an horrendous operation, nothing phased him any more. . .
              What I’ve gone through is nothing in comparison, but I’m of the same mind!
              I am doing well, thank you, very well, because I’ve felt such love & support from EVERYONE here, everyone’s prayers & good wishes were overwhelming & that’s where my strength & faith came from. My renewed love for my Father through being here helped a bunch too!! Powerful stuff, believe me & I love everyone dearly because of that.
              I think it was Burt who said one time that we are all part of the same body & that’s how I see all of us who belong here.
              Yes, tomorrow is a new day & as I’ve no treatment this week I’ve taken myself away to a holiday park 12-16th on the east coast & enjoyed the hottest day in this country for 150 years! Just me & dog as hubby stayed home, but I’m never alone because of who you all are here, my friends & family who need & empower each other, for the good basically, as all our hearts are in the right place.
              So not to worry Joyce!!! We’re all survivors from our lot in life, one way or the other! And thanks again for reaching out. You’ve made my day dear.

            • Volcanic

              Vee creeps off to catch up on the e-mail she was supposed to send Daisy…….whooops, blame it on the flu. Thanks for the last rose btw, Daisy it was gorgeous & I downloaded it & number one heiress will print it out for me when she get back to work. She looks as though she has been in a prize fight, she has a heart problem from being so prem born & also the flu now, when she opened the office yesterday she felt unwell so tried to make it to the bathroom but fainted instead & since we all have tiled floors here she is bruised from head to toe on her right side, even has a partial black eye! Hospiten gave her an MRI & the usual heart steadying drip so she is okay now. She has the other check up appointment on Friday so fingers crossed!!
              Enjoy that sunshine, my love, we are so tired of our excess summer heat by now we are just praying for rain, in fact, I’m just off to put my feathered headdress on to go out on my rain dance shift.

            • Daisy

              Hahaha Vee, but I lied about the last rose in my garden as another hundred showed up the next day, the cerise coloured ones which smell so delicately fragrant that I want to stuff them up each nostril…not a good look! Looks like a nosebleed.
              See what I mean about our lot in life… & even when our kids are adults we still have worries about them…the worry that never ends. F is in my prayers, as are everyone here, every day.
              I’m sitting outside my trailer in the dark, save for the rainy orange moon, fluffy warm breather on my lap & as I’ve packed an umbrella & raincoat i
              think that might be enough to bring on some light refreshment come the morrow.
              I also packed swim wear but might get arrested should I actually put it on & head for the indoor swimming pool. Besides, I’ve heard that the swimming pool water here only comes up to ones waist! That’s not a good look either! That’s what I get for being a cheapskate.
              F is in very capable hands, she knows that, we know that so chin up girl. Keep supplicating our loving Father for all the strength you need. . .He loves being there for us & supplying those needs. That’s assured.
              Wow! That rain dance you dressed up for has worked over here already hahaha, how about that! That’s one powerful feathered headdress you got there…

            • Volcanic

              oh, I knooowww, Daisy, I’ll wear that headdress again, look what happened overnight! We actually had an electrical storm, well, one horrendous clap of thunder, 6 drops of rain & this lightning over the sea. Normally our storms are awful, but that was a baby one! I lost internet for 24 hrs though – devastating!
              I imagine come the GT we will have many more of these storms *yikes*
              Much love, my darling Sister xxxxxxxx

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b3ac8887c8edcaa7dd33a08c0c5ae13b2208c8c7f09bf861776c09bfe0c4c5cf.jpg

            • Daisy

              Haha Vee, I’m zonked so can I e -mail you tomorrow. Hope so
              Love Daisy 😀

  • “The fall of the comments section ” What in the world happened here? Chill out folks, we all need each other! No deleting accounts please, and come back Dory (JKS) aka Alli. We all make a difference!
    https://youtu.be/zaGUr6wzyT8

    • Beverly kenyon

      Lol. Love that song! Jdab, can I just say it’s playing on my mind about Just Keep Swimming disappearing. I really think she was too hasty doing that as a lot of people will miss her. I’ve explained in my post to her why I was cross but feel her feelings are badly hurt and I feel I contributed to that so I’ve got to try and make it right somehow as its really bothering me. Just Keep Swimming really needed this site…it was her safety net, refuge, where she could come and vent and just be free in speaking and her thoughts…just to be her true self without strings and I can imgine her feeling isolated even though she has friends and family. So I hope she’s reading this post because if it makes her feel comfortable I’m going back off for a while. It doesn’t bother me as I like reading Brother King’s articles and learning…that’s my priority and I was a lurker for nearly two years so going back to that is no big deal…I’m a veteran lurker! Lol. And I’ll have more time now to study the WT articles as I tend to neglect that a bit cos I’m on here learning instead…so it’s a win, win situation all round. It would make my day to see Just Keep a Swimming back on EWatchman. She was a great contributor plus Burt would miss her as those two really got on. I’m going to make one last appeal. Please Just Keep Swimming just come back. You’re already missed!

      • Joyce Haze

        Dear Beverly, I so need you guy’s as all of you have so helped me, in shaping the right attitude. This all makes me very sad!! I pray it can all be resolved, as I count on all the truths and love shared by each and everyone of you!!!

        • Beverly kenyon

          Hiya Joyce, sorry about the late reply. We had an amazing storm here in Manchester and it knocked my broadband out…I was devastated as I swear, I cannot live without my Sky…I’m not gonna make it through Tribualation because that’ll be one of the first electrical system to go! Eeek! Thank you so much for your kind words…we ‘ll work it out and everything will be back on track. Sister Thinking is so right when she says we don’t want to be like clashing symbols. So of course I had to read 1Cor:13 and remind myself without love I’m a piece of nothing. I remember that scripture being pointed out to me by one of the gentlest and loveliest Brothers called Erik on this site a while ago…he was Burt’s friend but all the time he knew he had pancreatic cancer and only mentioned it at the last time he was here…I think that was his way of saying goodbye…I found that so upsetting and I’ve never forgotten him…he was very kind to me so every time I read that scripture I think of Erik.

      • Volcanic

        If you’re backing off, lady Bev, I want my chocolate back!!! Dory i back in a freh account, he jut wanted to delete her old account, that’ all

        …hahahaaa, I mut have crumb under my S key, it doen’t work when I’m typing fat- got rid of my lithp for me at any rate 😉

        • Beverly kenyon

          Haha. I know…she sent me a post before. That really made my day. Phew! So I get to keep my choc. Lol. Wow! Feel like I’ve been through an emotional wringer…hate myself when I lose it. 1914 said in a post to Jdab that he was gonna take one of us out back, so funny, so I’d better get my trainers on then…put ’em up! X

      • Anderiega

        Hi!!! I’m sorry, sorry , sorry for all this drama and concern. I never left. (But I did put my phone away for the last 24 hours!…yikes, and then I saw all of this)
        I have no hard or hurt feelings toward you or anyone here. I DEEPLY appreciate that we can ALL “come as we are” here.

        I mainly deleted my other two accounts because it was probably bordering on Proverbs 10:19…and I was talking too much about my elders and congregation. Yes, it was very therapeutic for me at the time, but as Sister Thinking has helped me to see…these dear people are just as faithful and long suffering as I’m desperately trying to be… albeit in a different way.

        I think as a person RAISED as a witness, constantly being commended for “having the truth,” it’s hard for things like John 4:24 to NOT go to one’s head. Speaking for myself, I was a very self righteous little girl. I’m really trying to shed that aspect of my personality. And yes, when I FINALLY found e-watchman and this beautiful community, I think that self righteousness crept back in for me, and I lost some sight of those at the hall who seemingly have lost the childlike ability to question WT teachings with scripture. That is why I so appreciate so many of y’all…. because we love scripture and digging deeper.

        So again, sorry for any drama! And I was hormonal yesterday…lol. Yuk.

        PS: Anderiega means “the wanderer.” Don’t mind me…I’m a bit of an ADHD squirrel. But I’m very loyal and I consider us all friends…because we love our God Jehovah and we’re all doing our best.

        • Volcanic

          here ith our little fithh, just thwam up the river from FB 🙂 oooooooh darn it I need to upend my laptop & get rid of thethe crumbth before everyone getth a headache trying to unerthtand me without an SSSSSSSSSSSS

        • Beverly kenyon

          Anderiega, like that name and you did live up to it…you did go wandering and had us all worried that you’d disappeared! So glad you’re back and better than before. You’re very much a valued member of this little band of brothers and sisters. X

        • LW
    • 1914for100Alex

      Hey everybody, how about them (insert favorite sports team)?

      *hope this works!

      • It had to do with a lot of contention the past 24 hrs, between brothers and sisters.

        • 1914for100Alex

          I know. I’m just catching up on all of it today. I have a limited data plan so I couldn’t read as much as I like to the past couple days. I’ve been spending a lot of time reading older articles too, so I missed the start of it all. Wow. I hate seeing this. I appreciate Robert letting it play out so people can cool off and hopefully mend fences. To hear that people are deleting their accounts is also troubling.

          I’m not going to take sides or point fingers, but if we cause people to give up, or feel that they need to take a side, isn’t that a form of stumbling someone? Let’s use this as a learning experience. We come from all different backgrounds, countries, etc, etc. We’re going to have disagreements, which is fine. We just need to keep in mind why we’re here, and that our words can have unintended consequences. That’s not aimed at anybody, and I include myself in that suggestion. If anyone has a problem with that, meet me out back for a “talk”. I’m kidding! Just trying to lighten the mood.

          I also hope JKS reconsiders. Without an account she won’t be able to ask questions when they arise. At the very least, I hope she’s still lurking.

    • Joyce Haze

      Jehonadab. Yes, very appropriate!

  • Burt Reynolds

    I really not know what is wrong with all you warring sisters and brothers, having words with each other and falling on your swords. What on earth are you going to do when brother turns against brother and sister against sister and family against family, betrayals and grief, for real? You are looking at this site in the wrong way and it becomes a challenge as to who is right or wrong, against opinions and inward thinking. I said it before. Can you not read between the lines of a persons character….and now Ali has left. A gentle spirit needs nourishing and support and compassion for the inner, unspoken fears and sensibilities. And if others ‘have a go’ why is it that one cannot remember when they have ‘been there’ and ‘done that’? Daisy is very ill and full of toxins from her treatment and I’m sure that others have their own problems too, and I can tell you that things are very different when lives are so affected. Blessed are the peacemakers for they won’t stumble Ali off the site. We have an un-imagined challenge to come, where we will have to believe even the very opposite of what we see. We will have to know our friends, our sisters and brothers. We are not going to get through this alone and we will not get through it by being insensitive to feelings we know nothing about and of others we know only through the written word. I’m glad that most of these exchanges are deleted. If we cannot love each other spread out over the world as we are, then one wonders just who it is that will survive the tribulation. I’m going to see if I can get Ali back. I take it volcano is maxed out on chocolate.

    • Volcanic

      Dory IS coming back, Burt, she only deleted her last accounts to get rid of pre-marriage stuff – no need to worry, we’re not losing her, I just chatted with her. She has a new account.

    • Joyce Haze

      Whew, everyone it seems has come back, with renewed feelings and thoughts. I believe everyone has had this moment, hurt is a terribly powerful emotion! Often times in trying to discuss situations, particularly scriptural is difficult in typing our feelings, rather than expressing them physically, easy to take someone’s comment personally, or perhaps out of context! I know JEHOVAH watches over all of us and has a big hand in the healing process!!! Love overrides whatever momentarily seems negative!

    • LW

      Well said

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