The Sun Will Set on the Prophets

//The Sun Will Set on the Prophets

Thursday, January 12

Keep on the watch.Matt. 24:42.

That admonition in itself is a good reason to remain in expectation—Jesus told us to do so! In this regard, Jehovah’s organization has set an example. Its publications have consistently exhorted us to “await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah” and to fix our hope on God’s promised new world. Although keeping in expectation was appropriate for Christians living centuries ago, it is particularly important for us. Why? Because we are living during Christ’s presence. The sign of his presence has been in evidence since 1914. And the multifeatured sign, which includes worsening world conditions and global Kingdom preaching, means that we are living in “the conclusion of the system of things.”  Since Jesus did not say how long that period of time would go on before the end arrived, we need to be especially vigilant, watchful.

COMMENTARY

Keeping on the watch is good. But having wrong expectations is potentially lethal. And Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly have an erroneous outlook. In that respect they are not unlike the apostles.

Consider the last days of Jesus’ ministry. Jesus was hailed as the coming king when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. The apostles were imagining that the Kingdom was going to display itself instantly. However, Jesus explained to them at the evening meal that he was going away, but that he would return. They could not understand what he was saying. After the meal they walked out to the garden of Gethsemane. There, Jesus exhorted them to keep on the watch with him and pray. Instead, they all fell asleep. And then it happened. Judas led the mob to the garden and Jesus was arrested. All the apostles were scattered and stumbled. Peter was so off balance he three times denied that he knew Jesus. It was only after Jesus was resurrected and appeared to them in various guises that their minds were opened to understand the true nature of the coming Kingdom.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are like the Jews who hailed Jesus as king prematurely. For more than a century the Watchtower has built anticipation for the Kingdom to instantly display itself in dramatic fashion. As it stands, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been led to expect the great tribulation to begin at any moment, marked by the sudden destruction of organized religion around the world. Over and over, as in today’s daily text, the Watchtower proclaims that all of the features of the sign of Christ’s presence have been on display since 1914 —even though, obviously, the events associated with the tribulation are not in evidence.

But according to Jesus it is only “when you see all these things” that we may know for certain that he is near at the doors.

As regards “all these things,” Jesus said: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.”

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you. Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.”

“Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near. Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.”

Indeed, war, food shortages and pandemics are only part of the multifaceted sign that Jesus gave. The Watchtower’s claim that “the sign of his presence has been in evidence since 1914” is simply not true. It is a lie.

What ought we expect in the future? World war, global financial collapse resulting in food shortages and pandemics. Then the nations will go ballistic, literally. The use of fearsome nuclear weapons is undoubtedly what is implied by what Jesus said, that: “Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.”

It will be a dark time for Jehovah’s Witnesses too, because there is a heavy price to pay for promulgating lies in the name of Jehovah. Those who claim to be the watchman class, a prophet class, will be silenced, even as Jehovah foretold in Micah. “This is what Jehovah says against the prophets who are leading my people astray, who proclaim ‘Peace!’ while they bite with their teeth but who declare war against him who puts nothing into their mouths: ‘You will have night; there will be no vision; there will only be darkness for you, no divination. The sun will set on the prophets, and the day will turn dark for them. The visionaries will be put to shame, and the diviners will be disappointed. All of them will have to cover over the mustache, for there is no answer from God.’” —Micah 3:5-7

As Jehovah’s Witnesses know, the focus of Jesus’ prophecy regarding his second coming has to do with the destruction of Jerusalem. It would be imperative for Christians living in Jerusalem and Judea to be watchful in order to flee the city without delay when the disgusting thing violated the holy place. Even those living far away would be impacted if they were to ill-advisedly sojourn to Jerusalem for a festival when the siege began, which is exactly what happened when the Romans laid siege to the city on the Passover, when it was packed with worshippers. 

Today, once a person has identified Christendom’s religious systems as part of “Babylon the Great” and recognizes that the “disgusting thing” is about to stand in her “holy place,” he should act on the command found at Revelation 18:4: “Get out of her…” – Watchtower 1975 12/15

But the fall of Jerusalem and its future fulfillment in the great tribulation has nothing to do with Christianity —at least according to Bethel’s diviners. Ancient Jerusalem, the place where Jehovah had placed his holy name, where Christ was hailed as king, where Christianity began in an upper room, where the apostles’ unofficial headquarters was located, along with the temple where they preached daily, is said to symbolize Christendom and even Babylon the Great.

But if the holy place that is to be desolated represents Christendom or even Babylon the Great, why would it be imperative for true Christians to flee? Why would it be vital to stay on the watch for Christendom’s demise?

Those questions are all the more pertinent since the Watchtower assumes that Bethel functions as the virtual capital of Jehovah’s earthly organization.  And it is a core doctrine that Christ has already come and bestowed his blessing on them —that there is peace within, and peace with God.

The building up of the organization, as if it were the very Kingdom of God on earth, might be likened to a plastered wall that is meant to look imposing and permanent. And 1914 is the centerpiece. As demonstrated in today’s text, and countless articles and talks, the visionaries of Bethel are constantly splashing coat after coat of whitewash on their revered doctrinal wall to create an impression that they are true prophets.

The impending global war and great tribulation, however, will serve as the tempest of Jehovah to knock down the Watchtower’s wall. Here is what Jehovah has said: “‘I will cause powerful windstorms to burst forth in my wrath, and a torrential downpour in my anger, and hailstones in destructive fury. I will tear down the wall that you plastered with whitewash and bring it down to the earth, and its foundation will be exposed. When the city falls, you will perish within her; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah. When I fully unleash my wrath upon the wall and upon those who plastered it with whitewash, I will say to you: ‘The wall is no more, and those plastering it are no more. The prophets of Israel are gone, those who prophesy to Jerusalem and who see visions of peace for her, when there is no peace,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”

It is well to keep on the watch. But it is better to know what to watch for.

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2017-04-23T18:36:55+00:00 January 12th, 2017|Commentary|190 Comments
  • Joseph Stephan

    To bad we can’t pull down the yearly text hanging over every KH stage, and replace it with this…….

    “It is well to keep on the watch. But it is better to know what to watch for.” RK

    • Arvid Fløysand

      ore if a visible hand came and wrote it while they were all sitting there watching 🙂

    • Shelley.

      Yes to bad indeed.

    • Srecko Sostar

      haha, very good point!

  • Shelley.

    When Jesus first spoke these words he was referring to the fall of Jerusalem by the Romans.At that time the Mosaic law was still in effect.We also know it was referring to future events of our day.What is the meaning pertaining to our time when Jesus said to pray that our flight does not take place on the sabbath day ? Are we supposed to be practicing the Sabbath ?

    • ewatchman

      The first century Christians were not obligated to keep the sabbath. However, those living in Israel and especially in Jerusalem would have had to be careful not to appear to be in violation of the sabbath, else they could be condemned as apostates. Jesus advised praying that their flight was not on the sabbath because if they tried to travel on the sabbath the Jewish zealots would have probably tired to prevent it. As far as how that might apply to us, I don’t know.

      • Srecko Sostar

        Hi! You and Shelley opened interesting question and subject. 🙂

      • something to think about, hummm

  • Lisa-Lisa

    Powerful windstorms, torrential downpour, destructive hailstones ! Sounds like they should be watching current weather updates, instead they have turned to the JW.ORG Channel to hear the forecast of sunshine in spiritual paradise! Don’t forget to put on your watchtower issued “rose colored glasses” Great article !

    • KB

      It seems as though the JWs have been receiving fake news for over 100 years from the organization. The organization has proved itself to no longer be a trusted source of information. I do not and will not go on the branches website to hear their propaganda and self praise. It gives me a creepy feeling like I’m watching a bad episode of the 700 club. No thanks. Just like Donald Trump called out buzzfeed and CNN as fake news. I’d say Robert is the new Donald.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Ha ha. Wow! I understand the sentiments KB, but I would have to come to Robert’s defence comparing him with a politician!

        • KB

          I look at it as more of a compliment. He’s not really a politician, he’s a business man. Donald says it how it is, he’s not afraid of not being politically correct. As too, Roberts boldness is manifested in his writings directed mainly at times to the governing body.

      • lol fake news…

  • i hate thinking how many billions are going to die. I HATE IT JEHOVAH!!!!!!!!!! I HATE THINKING HOW BAD YOUR GOING TO LET EVERYTHING GET!!! I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!! 6000 YEARS OF INSANITY!

    • Beverly kenyon

      Awww, DA, try not to think about it otherwise it will drive you bonkers!! You’ve got such a kind heart. Jehovah isn’t an indiscriminate mass killer! Doesn’t he temper his justice with mercy? And he’s going to wipe away all our tears. But I do understand your feelings. Our God, Jehovah is a God of Love and he understands about people getting killed…he watched his own Son die an agonising death, slowly, can you imagine something like that…that’s why I struggle reading that account in the gospels, I always try to put it off or I skip it…it really is painful reading. Also the former things will have passed away and won’t even come up into our minds anymore…Jehovah had promised that as he knows how traumatising such things are to human minds. Didn’t he have rules for the Israelite soldiers when they came back from battle, I think they had to take time out to emotionally recover…to combat post traumatic stress disorder as we now know term in the modern world. I think most of those billions might be taken out by other people and also wasn’t it those Assyrian soldiers just put to sleep in death by the Angel…sorry DA haven’t got time to look and quote scriptures as I have to go to work…but you know the accounts anyway. Try not to let it get to you….after the storm comes the rainbow!

    • 1914for100Alex

      I hate it too D.A., but what helps me deal with it is the patience and mercy he’s shown to me personally. If I’ve learned anything, even as I read about how bad it’s going to get, it’s that Jehovah is much more fair about things than we might imagine. I have to believe that the vast majority of the people that survive to the point where they have to choose between the beast or Jehovah are going to fall into two categories: really good people and really bad people. Or, in other words, the godly and ungodly. For the rest that don’t make it up to that point, there is the resurrection.

      • muldoon55 .

        Yeah 1914 I’ve come to believe that the real test is gonna be when the 8th king tries to impel earths inhabitants to receive the mark by worshiping him and the image he creates.
        Revelation 13:8 sheds light on the fact that any who worship the beast ,that had it’s death stroke healed, are those whose names aren’t in the Lambs book of life. This event must occur well after Jesus takes kingly power and after the collapse of America (Egypt) as well as the associated wars, pestilence, famine etc.
        After witnessing all these events, I believe many who have had the seeds of truth planted in their hearts and no doubt many others , will have their hearts sufficiently pierced by this calamitous collapse enabling them to take the needed actions to align themselves with earths new King. At that point ,as you pointed out, the lines of demarcation between good folks and evil will be apparent.
        Just my 2 cents . God be with you.

    • L.H.

      personaly I hold tight on the story of Abraham asking Jehovah if there were 10 rigtheous people in Sodom, Jehovah ensured him: I will not destroy the city. But there weren’t 10 rigtheous people,there were only 3, wich were personally led out of the city by an angel!!
      And in addition to the things 1914 and beverly say, Jehovah let his own beloved Son suffer for the sins of mankind because Jehovah loves the people so much. Many will not accept that sacrifice, but like the thief on the torturestake next to Jesus I believe there is the opportunity until their last moments to make a choice for life. Jehovah IS LOVE. He Wants to liberate the good from the real bad people.

    • Burt Reynolds

      You say a lot in a few words DA, unlike some of us (me) that say a little with a lot of words. Although none of us understand, it is safe to say, the workings of Jehovah are beyond our comprehension. He does though, leave us a few clues to salve our worries and derive some comfort. One: he is just. Two: he loves us. Three: he has shown us before, that those who are worthy of saving, will be saved, as with Sodom. Four: he has been patient in time. Some of us, like me, need all 6000 years to change for the better. Thus, if there was no justice, there would be no true love, only pity. If there were no standards, there would be no worth, no one deserving. If there had not been time, there would have been no mercy for all, and you and I would not be alive to know that love. The end is coming at the very instant these balances are met. The insanity is ours. The love, is of Jehovah.

  • e.v.g

    I’m never tired of this kind of articles, i’ve been talking with pioneers and publishers about to be prepared for the coming colapse, probably they don’t believe me because they are waiting the fds advice and they preferred nice words.

    • Anderiega

      ?.

  • Anderiega

    “expectation postponed makes the heart sick” proverbs 13:12.

    1914 (and everything that goes along with it) has made a lot of Jehovah’s people sick. It’s still sad for me to observe a lot of exjws becoming all out atheists! Or adopting the Trinity. It’ll be interesting to see how this whole Leah Remini Scientology thing progresses…As various exjws are reaching out to her to put a spotlight on the WT as well.

    But now I find understanding and a paradoxical comfort from the book of Joel regarding the harvest being lost.

    I was going to ask “how do you dispel the 1914 belief when a Jehovah’s witness uses the preaching work as evidence for his presence?”….But you clearly answered my question in this article ……
    “But according to Jesus it is only “when you see all these things” that we may know for certain that he is near at the doors.””

    There is a difference between parosia and “near at the doors.”…..It’s this difference that the WT has knotted up into a tangled, confusing deluded mess. And no doubt Satan is pleased because it’s led to many becoming exhausted, disappointed, and distrustful of their shepherds. (Or as WT interprets Isaiah 32:2 in this week’s midweek meeting “during the past 50 years, the “princes” have come clearly into view. “Princes” who are of the other sheep are being trained as a developing “cheiftain” class so that after the great tribulation, qualified ones from among them will be ready for appointment to serve in an administrative capacity in the new earth.” (ip -1 332-334)

    I’m sorry….Isn’t Isaiah 32:1,2 referring to when Jesus reigns as King (future, not 1914) and the princes are the chosen ones??

    The deluding influence of 1914 permeates everything that Jehovah’s witnesses study these days. The tension is certainly building.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      In regards to your question when you asked “how do you dispel the 1914 belief when a Jehovah’s witness uses the preaching work as evidence for his presence?

      What about the preaching work of Jehovah’s Witnesses?. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/what-about-the-preaching-work-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

      Search results for: dispel preaching.
      Read a lot more> https://e-watchman.com/?s=+dispel+preaching.

    • Joe Dman

      Sounds like they are telling Jehovah how it’s gonna be and how they are going to run the show. Soon they may be telling Jehovah just how he should conduct Armageddon and they’ll bring their files of everyone’s field service reports to the judgement so they can tattle on us. Unbelievable.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Yes I do agree with the above article why because take for example: Robert King has given a reference from Revelation:18:4 published by the WTS the Christendom cannot be a holy place because it says:- And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.

    Will ever Jehovah address the people of the Christendom as my People? If Christendom is my people or holy place then who are JWS for Jehovah? The WTS says Christendom is Babylon so are all other religion.So if Christendom is holy place then all other religion is also holy place why only particularly Christendom?

    Christendom and Hindus are one and the same for example:

    See how Christendom and Hindus are same?

    The Christendom Worships Trinity Father Son Holy sprit are one = The Hindus worship Trimurthy Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswara are one.

    The Christendom Worships symbol Cross = The Hindus worship symbol OM.

    The Christendom Worships Idol Mary = The Hindus worship Idol Maariamma (demi goddess).

    The Christendom Worships idol Christ (Christós) = The Hindus worship idol of Krishna.

    As per watch tower if Jehovah considers Christendom churches as holy= Then is Jehovah also considers Hindu and Jain Khajuraho group of temples in Madhya Pradesh, India as holy? How can Jehovah ever consider the place bearing the idols as holy? So WTS statement that Christendom is holy place is lie under the deluding influence by the Satan the Devil upon the Bethel.

    So the statement “Get out of her, my people, aptly fits for the people those who are under the covenant with Jehovah through Jesus that is Jehovah’s witnesses.

    Also Let me explain from Micah why it applies to us but not the Christendom

    Micah: 4:10: It says: Writhe and groan, O daughter of Zion = Who was the daughter of Zion? The ancient
    Israelites who were with the covenant with Jehovah. Today who is having the covenant? The organization that bears the name of Jehovah especially the anointed ones of Jehovah’s witnesses is in the covenant. It cannot be Christendom because the very name of Jehovah itself is allergy, so how can they be Zion. Also look if Zion is daughter then who is the father of Zion? Is not Jehovah? Will Jehovah ever address a pagan people as his as daughter? Is Jehovah addressing Trinity and idol worshiping Christendom as his daughters? It cannot be. So if Zion is apostate Christendom as per WTS, then how can it be at the same time can also be called as the Babylon the great?

    See the continued verse what it says: For now you will go from the city and reside in the field. = That the Christians will go from the Christ’s congregation group.

    and reside in the field = There will be no Christ’s congregation to guide as it is now each one of us (including me if I am there) has to show faith without the guidance from WTS (that is what the field means)

    Finally what happens? You will go as far as to Babylon = The entire Christ’s congregation will be under the captivity of New age religion (Babylon) through NOW/UN/One world Government. The WTS says the Christendom is apostate Zion then how an apostate will again go under the Babylon? Because an apostate will support Babylon. It cannot be so. Only the true Christian congregation when it is under captivity then only the sentence You will go as far as to Babylon will rightly fit.

    Further what? there you will be rescued; There Jehovah will buy you back from the hand of your enemies. IF Zion is apostate Christendom then as per the above biblical verse is Jehovah recusing Christendom and buying back from the hand of enemies? It cannot be so. Only if true Christian congregation go under captivity, then the statement there you will be rescued; There Jehovah will buy you back from the hand of your enemies has meaning.

    So the statement “Get out of her, my people, and what Jesus said: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place aptly fits for Jehovah’s witnesses not Christendom.

    • Victor Field

      Another couple of points to add from Rev 18,,.To suggest it is not World religion,Rather Gods house, his Holy people,,Matth 13:38 The very origin of the son’s of the Kingdom,,living side by side,,.Luke 19:44

      Rev 18 Vrs 10, Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!’
      In one hour she has been judged and destroyed,,

      The very same hour Jesus reveals to John that would test the house of Jehovah,,(Inhabited Earth)
      Rev 3,.,Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.
      Showing the Anointed are sealed prior to this taking place,,.And are not put under this 3 and a half year trial,,

      Also,.,Selection to be one of the Anointed during the last hour,,would be realised,,That the door was closed..And they were not chosen to enter,.,Mat 25,,10 Virgins
      Rev 18:23 And the light of lamp shall never shine in you any longer, and the voice of a bridegroom and a bride shall never be heard in you any longer. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, because by your sorcery all the nations were deceived.”

      In Rev 18:9 It mentions Kings of the Earth weeping over her,,If this is God’s house and we understand it to be the Jw’s,,Why would earthly kings/Political leaders of the Nations weep over the destruction of her?
      Self appointed Kings on a Spiritual basis,,would definitely weep over her!

    • LW

      “Unless there is spiritual renaissance, the world will know no peace.”
      – Dag Hammarskjöld, the 2nd UN Secretary-General

    • thats why have said time and again to just throw out the word Christendom (not entirely but sparingly) and call it what the scripture says, Babylon. less confusion just calling it what it is

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Yes I hear that Thanks

  • e.v.g

    That british lntelligence is demonic, it is for sure they will start ww3

    • Southern ShaSha

      Yep, it sure looks like they are stepping up actions in that direction. There is absolutely no denying all the signs JESUS spoke too. And this thing here in the states with Trump and the establishments efforts to stop him is nothing short of bizarre. Like Joseph commented, will we make it to inauguration before all h… breaks loose. This is all secular, world events, and then the lawless actions of the WTBTS, could bible prophesy become any clearer than what we see at this moment in time. just as Muldoon stated, these things so obvious, and becoming absolutely horrific may be what is needed for anyone inclined to realize and recognizize, although a bit twisted from the stand point of the society, that all that they believed as past occurrences are visibly clear now, and to take place just as the scriptures show it will be. I hope and believe many who have and are caught up in the lies and deceit will be shaken awake very soon, that would be a good thing.

    • Burt Reynolds

      The British do not have the ‘Intelligence’ be demonic. They can start world war 3 without any help from the demons. I would say unfortunately, but maybe it’s better left to the rank stupidity of Cheltenham than demons. ☹️

      • e.v.g

        These men have evil motives, they have also the most sofisticated technology in the world and add the wicked influence of satan. Making this operation we have WW3, scary Isn’t?

        • e.v.g

          Men do stupid things, but satan is making the opportunities to make stupid things.

        • yes it is and Jesus recognize that also which is why he said to not be terrified and also told the women to weep for themselves

      • kings of the earth are gatherd together by demons. no doubt they want to try and blow up Jehovah’s earth creation as much as they can

    • Beverly kenyon

      I’m friends with a WW2 veteran, he’s now 91 but a well preserved 91 and we were talking about the British spy and the salacious dossier involving Trump and he said, the bad things this country has done its done it first and done it ‘better.’ It’s done the most rotten things to its people and it’s had its finger and has its finger in many pies! So yeah, e.v.g the empire will be trying to trigger WW3 as Brother King has spoken of in articles.

      • e.v.g

        Jehovah will not do anything to prevent this, war is the most prominent signal of Jesus presence and the consequences will be devastating, in the end the people of the nations will be conditioned to worship the wild beast. Satan have indeed their own seed, ready to pull the trigger. It will be a great test for JW’s and all of us.

        • Beverly kenyon

          The FDS are deluded and living in an insulated bubble soon to pop when it all kicks off and Jehovah sends in the figurative waters as spoken of in Isaiah28:19 to root them out of every nook and cranny and for terror to make them understand!

          • e.v.g

            I want to reply to you sister in more understandable way, but my english is bad and limited, i am not eloquent also and i have problems to socialize…well i am a mess!!

            • Beverly kenyon

              e.v.g, don’t let stuff like that bother you as your comments are understandable, honest and straight to the point, from the heart and with humour. Most of us are so overloaded we do have problems with socialising…it’s such an effort so you’re not on your own there and like you I’m a mess too! But you gotta keep going!

    • ya got that right

  • Burt Reynolds

    Who are the Eagles? For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

    Again, something I have always wanted to clarify in my mind…’ Also, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing standing in a holy place….let the reader use discernment… ‘

    Where it says, ‘A’ holy place, does the orginal text imply this as a singular holy place, or in many places that are considered holy? Or, does it apply in the singular to the ethereal overall, truth of Jehovah….I.e., something proclaiming to be him, but not? Why does the reader have to use discernment in this? Why could the event be misconstrued?

    • Lev

      From Russia with love! Hi, Burt! Look! According to Dan. 9:27, 11:31 “abomination” will be on the “holy place.” In the 1st century is the temple of God – a place of the presence of the Holy Spirit. Before Amageddonom – it is the church of God in all the earth – Kor.6 1: 19, Revelation 1: 20. if the church is not faithful servants – the temple of losing value in the eyes of Jehovah, and he is left to God. According I.Flaviyu temple in the 1st century was desecrated no Roman troops, and Jews – the Zealots. They revolted against Caesar and not legitimately appointed to rule in the temple by the high priest of a Fannius. Since the rejection of Christ, and to 70 the church was not filled with faithful servants of God. He became available “Gentiles” for destruction. As the “abomination” in the temple preceded the death of the Jewish system, and today the “abomination” in the spiritual temple – a sign of the imminent Armageddon. So: “The abomination of desolation” in the spiritual temple – the fruit vossedaniya “wicked” (2Fes.2: 2-4) lead to the death of the last “anointed” Jehovah (Okr.11: 3-8) and destroy the true worship of God. Regards Lev.

    • Lev

      .Hi, Burt! I forgot to write about Matt. 24:27. Look! Here Jesus says about the signs of His coming for watching the watchmen for the house of Jehovah. These features will also be clearly seen as lightning. Matthew 24: 28, where a flock of circling eagles – the corpse there. This – for signs of approaching Armageddon. If the events listed in the symptoms begin to run – expect Armagedddon.
      SincerelyLev.

    • 1914for100Alex

      I believe the reason we’re told to use discernment is that it is going to be happening right under our noses, at a place and time God’s people aren’t expecting it.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Aren’t the Eagles the anointed? Could be wrong Burt.

      • “…since Jesus was speaking to his disciples who would be living prior to his coming and his message focuses primarily on the gathering of the chosen ones, it is apparent that those who are either taken or abandoned are his own disciples. Hence, the importance of staying on the watch for the coming of your Lord.”

        • Beverly kenyon

          Thank you DA for that confirmation! I get nervous if I think I know the answer to a question as I don’t trust myself to get it right as ones on here like yourself are so scripture smart and there’s no way I’m in that league!

          • Cocheta

            actually, Beverly, you are that Scripture smart!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Awww, thank you Cocheta, you’re very kind. Hope you and your girls (the heiresses) are all alright. Got to try harder though Cocheta…the more I try to remember the more I go blank. Lol.

            • Cocheta

              we’re doing great, Beverly, thanks. Except for fuming about the meeting this morning! Talk from an Icelandic brother on ‘When & How is Armageddon’ – usual load of tosh! It’s going to be such a walk in the park, no world war, no nukes, satan was thrown to earth in 1914 so he’s already done his worst & the witnesses just have to follow the FDS & they will breeze through it into the other side miraculously in their best Sunday meeting clothes!

              You see, this is what we don’t know here, that all that remains is for ‘them’ to say “Peace & Security”, then Jesus will destroy Babylon the Great, the Anointed will be taken up to heaven & then we will be saved. No-one will need to be killed, not even the Anointed, no mention of 3 1/2 years, no mention of the two witnesses giving a final preaching work or the King of the North etc., a small explanation of where it will all happen & then ‘poof’, that’s it, all over, just like a nasty little nightmare until Mammy turns on the light!!! (face palm here) Oh & not even a mention of WHO is going to be leading the heavenly cavalry, never even said the name of Jesus & only said Jehovah when quoting Scripture!

              …………… & then, they ambushed me again on the way out after the talk. They were so fast to put on their jackets & get me at the door they nearly knocked themselves out. I walked straight past the German, but the little one got me & wanted to make an appointment to visit. I said no, I don’t want another Bible Study, I already know more than any of ‘that lot’ in there & I study every day in an online congregation. But ……. more about that later when I’ve cooled down a bit.

            • KB

              Good for you girl. I’m glad you are standing up to those “gifts in men” (lol). You don’t owe them a sit down meeting. The mass amount of JWs have no idea what Satan is capable of. Your comments were on point. Other than a few instances of hardships the JW organization has not seen the wrath of Satan, he’s been too busy puffing them up, blinding them, from his true ouster from heaven. So heartwarming to be among people who understand future events.

            • Cocheta

              thank you, KB, I actually cried when I got home! My daughter said she dreads going to the meeting, she only goes for the sake of teaching baby about Jehovah, although we actually teach her more at home. She said she feels like everyone is looking down their noses at us, no-one speaks to us & they even move our bags when we are trying to get our seats, we are not allowed to sit at the back in the ‘family seats’ – they are ‘reserved’, obviously for more pious ones & mothers actually with a father for their child!
              I’m still so angry, I feel now like writing my formal letter of disassociation! I’m tired of it all & their rotten lies, especially after reading the complete account of Barbara Anderson yesterday & her ‘life’ at Bethel for 10 years, the things she said have gone on there are sickening. It is a cult & a mind controlling one at that!
              Sorry to rant, but I’m still hurting.

            • KB

              I could tell you were upset. I’m positive Jehovah and Jesus are upset as well at way the brothers are treating you. Don’t give them the satisfaction of disassociating you. They would love silence you because you are able to think for yourself, therefore you are dangerous. Many people have been treated badly in the organization, I’ve read Barbara’s story too. Jehovah sees the suffering that His people undergo.

              Lu 6:31 “Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them.

              Try to treat the friends at the hall with kindness. Many don’t deserve it, but be the better person if possible. I know it will be hard, try to make them feel guilty for treating you bad. Don’t be afraid to play the Jesus card. You could say, would Jesus treat a follow believer the way you are treating me. Make them think. Let them be the bad guy. Like you, my frustration level rises on meeting days as well. Hang in there sis.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Sending you my love and prayers, and hugs…….lots of them ❤❤❤

            • Cocheta

              thank you, JS, you know I love you & you are such a rock for me. All of you here are so fine & I don’t know where I would be if I hadn’t met you all all those months ago.
              Now I’m worried because I got an upvote from a Guest on my original post in this article – maybe they’re stalking me here too :'( :'(

            • Arvid Fløysand

              O Jehovah why have my adversaries become so numerous?
              Why are so many rising up against me?
              Many are saying about me:”God will not save him”
              But you O Jehovah,are a shield around me.
              My glory and the One who lifts up my head. Psalm 3:1-3

              Yesterday i made a big bonfire of trash.Absolutley all of it burned away…so good to get rid of all that trash…soon all “trash” in this world will “burn” ore simply fade away..nothing of it will remain…lift your head sister..who made you able to “see”?
              THAT is the real love…from the ONE who cares for the meek ones who seeks HIM..
              And any time…if you need support..just holler 🙂

            • Cocheta

              I am so happy you joined this site, Arvid, you are great at calming people down, but, believe me, if you hear me holler you’d better start running to collect rips & make yogurt because I will be on the ferry on Aurlandsfjord! LOL

            • muldoon55 .

              It’s cold actions like that that have turned many away from the hall.
              I’m sorry to hear about the way you’ve been treated.
              Don’t let it get to you and keep holding fast to Jehovah and know all here are with you in Christian love Cocheta

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s good everyone is okay Cocheta. Bet listening to that load of tosh was sickening and squeeze in 1914….Armageddon a walk in the park! The usual script of misinformation…misleading God’s people. It really does make your blood boil when you’re hearing bits of this and bits of that and you just know vital, life saving information is not being told, all the things you’ve mentioned in your post, the real truth we’ve learned here about how it will unfold, I’m not surprised you’re fuming and then to add insult you’re ambushed. Does it end!! They’re really cheeky harassing you like that. You’re not a gross sinner so what is their problem. And you could out study them now with all the real knowledge you have now. That German is becoming a nuisance with his relentless hunting you down! Please Cocheta, don’t give them the satisfaction of letting it get to you. You’ve been going along nicely, with your girls to the KH. Don’t let it interup your routine. And of course the Man of Lawlessness won’t allow the name of our King, Jesus Christ to be said, because that’s who’s coming for him, to give him a good leathering and then bind him and throw him in the abyss, locked up! Bye, Bye! It’ll take you a good few hours to settle down with your emotions after what happened to you today Cocheta. That’s how it get’s you when they do things like that…it’s unsettling! But I know you’ll bounce back.

            • Cocheta

              thanks KB & Beverly for the encouragement, I will stick it out for both of you (& Jehovah of course)
              I’m so cross with myself also, I was grumbling under my breath all the way through the prayer because of the things the elder said to Jehovah . I was huh,huh’ing all the time & apologising to Jehovah at the same time as beating myself up for being ‘holier than thou’ & supercilious about the lack of understanding they have. I need to do a LOT of grovelling to Jehovah tonight in my prayer!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Awww Cocheta, you’re such a lovely sister. You’ll stick it out for yourself, your girls and for love of Jehovah and his Son and for the doing the right thing for now and setting a good example of enduring under horrible conditions. Making you and your girls feel inferior…disgusting and in God’s House as well…that’s not on! Keep smiling when you’re there Cocheta…that really annoys people when you don’t flicker and show you’re bothered! They just give up then. I used to be like eye rolling, quietly huffing and a bit of grrrring. Short of developing a severe case of Tourette’s it was all I could do to stop shouting at them to stop telling lies!! Get this Cocheta, a few days ago I could not stop thinking about Jonah…it popped in my head and stayed there, why Jonah I do not know as I wouldn’t pick that book as a favourite one to read. So the other night I thought, I’m gonna read Jonah, let’s see why it’s in my head and keeps popping up. Through that story I learned not to get angry at people who I think should be punished because they’re being horrible…Jonah viewed the people of Nineveh as enemies so Jehovah taught him humility one being with his ‘friend’ the gourd plant who he caused the worm to kill the plant…Jonah was devastated…also it shows how Jehovah will use any of his creation, even an insignificant worm to accomplish his purposes. There’s loads more to the account of Jonah as I found out but for me it was about humility and forgiveness and I was losing sight of those qualities as I was angry at witnesses not wanting to hear the real truth instead of the lies they’re being fed. So now I’m not letting it bother me.

            • Cocheta

              I repeat;
              you are Scripture Smart 😉 xxxx

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s the spirit Cocheta. You’re back making me laugh. Don’t know what an up vote is but don’t let them spook you…you’ve done nothing wrong! Love the scripture Arvid posted to you so I’m going to steal that one for my notebook and you remember after reading that scripture who you have on your side. Sleep well tonight Cocheta, knowing we all love you. Xx

            • Marisa Gomez

              Y entonces……que es ,o que debemos predicar..? Mi cabeza me da vueltas

            • Joseph Stephan

              Translation

              And then …… that is, or should we preach ..? My head is spinning

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank you Joseph for translation.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Marisa, because points get lost when there’s a language barrier, I’m not really understanding your point, even though Joseph has translated your post and based on that I’ll say yes, preach…informal or in the field service setting, just preach because as JW’s that’s our commission and part of our service to Jehovah, tell everybody and anybody of the Kingdom that is to come! If you mean your head is spinning with the new found knowledge you’ve learned here on Brother King’s site, well I hope it’s with amazement! It’s fantastic to see you here on EWatchman!

            • Cocheta

              Marisa, creo que esto puede ayudarte
              http://e-testigosdejehova.com/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Triple “POW” ” laughing out loud “……
              Put on your Sunday best for the great tribulations.

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Beverly kenyon

              A picture speaks a thousand words or two pictures speaks two thousand words and we know which one speaks louder with truth. There’s carnage behind them in first picture but they look like they’re in a musical and I noticed the dress code for the women…floral below the knee dresses…I know you’ve just gone through Armageddon but you will dress properly for the occasion. At least the other picture is more realistic you can see the horror on their faces and every woman knows a thin floral dress isn’t practical to wear when you’re legging it from horror…it’s got to be jeans or trousers. Loved this post Joseph.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha ha. Scripture smart. That’s a good one. I wish I was. My head Is the opposite. I have a few scriptural quotes like an ammo belt, but there is no way I can be accurate anymore as to where I shoot them…my memory being shot to pieces. It’s one of the reasons I enjoy reading on this site as I get reminded of all these verses I had, not forgotten, as I have the residue of learning, the assurance if you like, but that remind me……maybe scripture-past-smart.

        • Victor Field

          I see this the same way,,
          Building on this, and what it says in Mat 24:15 regarding the “Disgusting thing” and fleeing when you CATCH SIGHT of it,,
          The catching sight of it here takes place before the GTrib,,vrs 21
          So those catching sight here ,,who catches sight of it,1st?
          Vrs 25 says they were forewarned,,those who are forewarned are those who it does not come suddenly as a Thief!

          And the above as i said is before the GTrib,,starting,,showing these ones are sealed,,prior to it happening,,.The Great Tribulation would be the time of Trial lasting 3 and a half years,,well 1335 days would total it..
          So in effect there are two sightings of the “Disgusting Thing”
          The first before the GTrib starts and the second sighting on the setting up of it on the 1290th day,,which would be a month and a half from the end of it all,,.
          So looking at the 10 virgins,,the 5 return at a later date and knock at the door only after realising who the D thing is at the stage all is nearly over,.,,

      • Victor Field

        Another angle could be the Corpse is the one who say’s he is a chosen one and the vultures/eagles are stripping them for spiritual food,,so that they can have death also,,but sadly the corpse is a False Prophet at this time,,Sober thought,,In reality they have been misled,.,After all this scripture is accompanied with being warned of false prophet’s isn’t it? Jesus warns the reader,that these False Prophets would be that convincing,,the chosen ones could succumb to their lies,(If this was possible)

        • Beverly kenyon

          Yeah, Victor, coming in from that angle is something to think about. It absolutely scares me to think that if it were possible, even the Chosen Ones could succumb to their lies! Because let’s face it, ones in Jehovah’s house are succumbing to lies now and you try and point it out to them in a reasonable way you’re viewed as a spiritual ‘terrorist.’

          • Victor Field

            My Mum is a witness,,I have not said a lot to her as she will not discuss anything,,She seems to get humiliated saying i check/test everything out with the scriptures,,in other words do you think i am a fool,,,she is in her late seventies,,baptised for 50yrs,and does not question anything,,

            • Burt Reynolds

              Same as my sister. But my sister is haughty and does not search the scripture to check what is true. Humiliation is yet more difficult to overcome but it shows an inner sense that you are right and that your mum knows it and that she is open to the truth of the word. You have an opening there! Go for it!

          • Victor Field

            There is no reason to thrash things out with anyone in what we believe is there?
            I still love my Mam,,the same as i love all those calling on Jehovah,.,.,..

            • Beverly kenyon

              Ooooh, that’s a tricky one Victor. I do love witnesses like your Mum who’s been a loyal witness since forever. 50 yrs walking with Jehovah. Just amazing! Course you love your Mum the same and all those related to us in the truth of God’s Word so don’t doubt yourself there, it’s just that you know real truth now and wasn’t afraid to embrace and accept it when it was so glaring true! I think gently reasoning and giving her little bits of what you now know to think about. Joseph was the same with his Mum and eventually got through to her but of course your Mum is her own person and we’re all built differently, but I do know your frustration. At least you will be there when things become blatantly clear that we have to ‘get out of her.’ She’ll most probably recall the truth you reasoned and told her about, she’s got you. Are you a Brit Victor as you referred to your Mum as Mam? Just curious…sorry if I’m being nosey! Lol.

            • Victor Field

              Yes it is very tricky, we spoke for the first time in 20 yrs,,fall of last year,,and she sent the witnesses to my door the week i got in touch,
              She then gave me the ultimatum, return to the meetings or the highway, she said she could not speak to me anymore,,
              Anyway after a bit of thought, i told her i was not in agreement with the 7 FDSlave and if i went back i could no longer agree with the doctrine they teach,,and would probably be disfellowshipped for what i now have to say,which is contrary now to what i thought was Truth,,Yes i am a Brit,,and you are not nosey,,thanks for asking,,Kind Regards Victor

            • Joseph Stephan

              Hello Victor, Never give up on chipping away at that watchtower Wall your mum built up over the years. It took me years planting seeds with my mom, try anonymously sending her some of Roberts bulletins. If nothing else your putting her on notice that the Watchtower will fail on the return of Christ.
              From time to time the Watchtower has reminded us of the need to prove to ourselves that what we believe is truly in harmony with God’s Word:

              It is important…that you “keep testing whether you are in the faith,” as Paul declared. Keep checking to see whether the things you believe are in keeping with
              God’s Word. But the question is, Are you willing to put your religion through such a test? There is nothing to fear, because if you have the right religion you can only be reassured by the examination. And if what you believe is not in keeping with the Bible, then you should welcome the truth, because it leads to light and life.
              ─Watchtower, May 1, 1958 p.261; Is Your Religion the Right One?

              The builders and the passengers of the Titanic might sincerely have believed that the ocean liner was unsinkable. On its maiden voyage in 1912, however, it struck an
              iceberg and 1,517 people lost their lives. Certain first-century Jews might sincerely have believed in their way of worshiping God, but their zeal was “not according to
              accurate knowledge.” (Romans 10:2) For us to be acceptable to God, our sincere beliefs must be based on accurate information.
              ─Watchtower, February 1, 2003, p.32

              Are you being shunned by the brothers in your congregation or your family because of sticking loyally with Jehovah? Take courage, you are not alone:

              “Some of your own people hate you. They turn their backs on you because you are faithful to me. They make fun of you and say, ‘Let the Lord show his glory by saving you. Then we can see how happy you are.’ But they will be put to shame.” —Isaiah 66:5; NIRV https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dce4210c0f8e5d528d09a462be357355c958d16730e7b17f50fa58b53717a93f.jpg

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow, Victor, that was harsh! That upset me a bit that your Mum would do that even though she probably thought she was doing you a favour and after all that time! You’re her prodigal son! So it was her way or the highway! Wow! Conditional love. My ex ‘loyal’ JW friendship was conditional as I found out when I too, like you told her I do not agree with a lot of things that’s been drip fed to God’s people and no I do not recognise the FDS and I have only one King…Jesus Christ who I listen to as well as other things I’ve learned here on this site. She literally ran off and I haven’t seen her since…that upset me as I misread her and the disloyalty as a friend. As for her thinking I’m an apostate, which she will and all the other names they apply to ones like us who speak up for the truth of God’s word, well I DO NOT CARE, I couldn’t care less. My salvation do not depend on another human being especially ones who prefer to be fed lies and to be mislead like they’re unintelligent and stupid….that’s insulting. But your situation is a bit different as you’re emotionally involved…it’s your Mum, so that’s got to hurt and I do understand that feeling. Soon your words to your Mum is going to come back to haunt her when she sees things unraveling in a horrific way and then hopefully you’ll be the first person she contacts for guidance. You spoke up Victor even though you were probably torn.

            • Victor Field

              Thank you for your encouraging words Beverly,,there’s a lot to come out in the wash as they say,,It has been good to see peoples true colours though and who you can count on and trust,,
              So pleased we have Jehovah to put our trust in,,,.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              1 Corinthians 13:8
              Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with.

              1Corinthians 13:13.
              Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.

            • Victor Field

              Thanks Kevin ,we are indeed rich having these fruitages
              And gain further blessings if we use them,,.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I was happy to see that you applied that quality of love when you was faced with your own personal situation because Ultimately love never fails and it’s just the right thing to do when faced with adversities , love truly does cover a multitude of sins as Peter said in 1 Peter 4:8. The way you handle your situation gave me encouragement.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I don’t know about that Victor. The Borean’s thrashed (threshed) out the issues raised before deciding, but I don’t want to use issues of scripture to argue a point out of context, and which is easy to do I suppose. Yet The ministry compels us to do just that, to enlighten, to make straight. After all, love is not based on genetics of birth, but on the outcome of that birth. ‘Better the day of ones death, than that of their birth’ and love has to ‘endure all things’ to be proven pure in its source, and we are friends through a commonality of belief alone, the endearment as to character is born through the revelation of discussion, proving a trustworthy harbour of intent when set against the facts of the scripture. Time will murder love if not kept alive through re-establishment; if not it degrades by stages from a deep attachment to a regard, and from a regard to a warm memory, to a final sense of what was. That is why a constant threshing of the seed and a replanting is vital not just between us, but with those that are yet to join us. Maybe this is not what you meant, I’m apolgise if it’s not, but without without someone to teach (and prove, the word of Jehovah ) how will we know? How will ‘they’ know. Some have taken the threshing out of the arguement to their very death to prove the point of faith to others.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I sometimes think that it’s better to wait and not respond to all the lies that will be coming our way,…..a sort of apathetic defence if you like, because the scriptures suggest Christ will make himself known to us. I believe if that happens, his manifestation will be without doubt. I think there will always be some element of doubt as to these false ones, a sort of impetuosity of belief, a self urge to believe that at last it’s over. If there were not a discernible difference to us, then surely we would never have a chance to put our faith in the truth, and surely that is not possible. How could we mistake the true Christ if there were not a discernible choice to make?

            • Victor Field

              Morning,,look on Facebook,,.,.

            • LW

              What happened?

            • Victor Field

              I was just making Burt aware that i had sent him a message on FB

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Burt, hope you’re well. Yeah, you’re right about not responding, like I said to Cocheta, I’m not letting it bother me anymore about witnesses not wanting to hear the real truth. I’ve tried but they were very self righteously scornful and that reaction was making me feel angry and I don’t want to feel that way, I don’t want that sort of negativity wrecking my immune system and my happy, confident spirituality. I don’t want to be like Jonah…no, not ending up in a big fish for days! And yes, the manifestation of Jesus Christ will be obvious…no doubt at all! No mistaking the true Christ.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, I expect Jonah felt he had had his chips in that fish. Not what you would call a whale of a time. I expect he was blubbering for a time in there regretting his conflict with Jehovah. Clearly the fish couldn’t stomach him and got sick. I guess Jonah was ‘Luke warm’ so should have expected that reaction. I wonder if it was a ‘fluke’ that made the whale swallow him. We shall have to wait and sea.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Crying laughing! He had his chips…classic Burt! So funny! Yeah, we shall have to wait and ‘sea’. That’s right there with cracked pipe and beak burger…can’t type for laughing!

            • Daisy

              Hahahahaha! Burt…so funny…having a whale of a time laughing! 😀

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello sister daisy! It’s good to see your spirit is up.
              Glad to see your back and typing as well as laughing, we all missed you.

            • Daisy

              Hello Bklyn (& all)…& thank you.
              I was so alarmed to read of Burt’s pacemaker problems so my laughter included a tad of relief that he is upbeat & typing once again.

              Thanks also for all your links to watchman.com. My old head needs the constant reminders.

              Resting for a couple of months from treatment… Still feel fried but no more news till keyhole op under general anaesthetic in April.

              Your prayers make it all good! Trust in Jehovah (thanks Cosmologist Joe for sending me that filmed drama from jw.org) , i needed the jolt that Jehovah is Love, Justice, Wisdom & Power, to forget about myself. Love to all my brothers & sisters… My close friends one & all. Your loving support is invaluable to me.
              As for new brothers/sisters who friend request me on Facebook …I accept readily but must apologize from then on as I havent a clue how if works! Sorry…:D

            • 1914for100Alex

              Good to see you back Daisy! I don’t have Facebook but if you ever want to chat, Cocheta has my email. I don’t always check it as much as I should, but I get to it eventually 🙂

            • Cocheta

              welcome back, our sweet Daisy xxxx

        • Burt Reynolds

          Is this correct Victor? Do you know for certain that this is the accepted interpretation of the prophesy please?

          • Bklyn Kevin

            That’s what I like about you Burt,,, you always make sure of all things like Paul instructed.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I wish, Kevin…..it’s because I can’t remember!!!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Look Burt when you first came on this web site you hardly quoted any scripture but since then you heave been paraphrasing many scriptures.
              On another note I don’t remember where every scriptures is either however I do remember keywords within the scripture and so I just type it into my search engine so I could find the correct location as well as the quote in the bible.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Have you considered taking notes? I just picked up a tablet the other day, and I’m planning on using it in large part for studying and making notes on the things that can be a little complicated. I’m giving up on trying to keep everything straight in my head while I learn lol. There’s so much! I’ve definitely learned a lot and continue to learn, but having a quick reference on some of this stuff as it relates to other things is, for me at least, the way to go. One of my biggest problems is that I get distracted way too easily. I go looking for a quick answer and end up reading five more articles, or if it’s the Insight book I keep clicking on related items. Sometimes too much information can be a bad thing! Even if your notes say “maybe this means this” or “maybe this means that”, as you read you might either make a connection or be able to rule something out. I can read what someone else writes and think it makes some sense, but until I can make the same sense of it in my head by studying it and coming to the same conclusions on my own it just doesn’t seem to stick as well.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, that’s good advice 1914. I would add a ‘but’ here, but I won’t! But it stems from having written millions and millions of words in the course of my job. One gets to retire with arthitic finger joints, bent fingers and a continual rote in the mind that never turns off and says…’do I need to know this or remember it….’ In the end, I had an in tray three feet high and if I hadn’t Had to refer to it with three months, it all went in the shredder, because if it was important, it would come back. Though the truth is my all, I have to keep it simple if I want to continue sane, but I do appreciate your point.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              (Information anxiety) what is it ?…. It is too much data and not enough facts or Inapplicable twisted facts which distort the data.

              In other words….. A Cleverly contrived story based on speculation which sounds believable but is untruthful as well as unfactual. thus making it an artfully contrived story as it were.

              A good example of to read is the Watchtower’s artfully contrived story concerning there 1914 false parousia of Jesus. Read more>

              The VISIBLE Presence of Jesus Christ.
              https://e-watchman.com/visible-presence-christ/

              That cure!… Stick to the facts and avoid the speculation or twisted facts.

              Rules I apply to my personally study.

              “Make sure all things” and test Every so-called inspired expression

              Fact > A thing that is indisputably the case..

              Speculation > the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence / facts

            • 1914for100Alex

              The more I familiarize myself with what’s being taught in the Kingdom Halls, the more I realize just how hard it must be for some people to escape. It’s so confusing that I think most people just repeat it and don’t even bother trying to connect the dots. Those that do have to realize something is off. And that obviously presents a very difficult decision to make. Do you dare question it? Even to yourself? To do so, to many, is to question Jehovah. My heart goes out to anybody that’s had to make that decision and suffer the consequences.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I personally did question it more than 20 years ago when I had realized that the watchtower wasn’t properly applying several scriptures and I did it blindly thinking that they would listen to me in other words I was totally innocent and didn’t comprehend the ramifications of me pointing their obvious errors out and because I was persistent and wouldn’t conform to their thinking / manmade policies I got the big shiny boot so to speak and boy was I bewildered.

              And me and my family had a very good standing in the congregation we were exemplary as they said in a private meeting personally to me and in fact one of the Elders told me that I was up for an appointment and that I should reconsider my position on the matter at hand and adjust my attitude – you guessed it blackmailing, if I didn’t hear it with my own ears I wouldn’t believe it.

              The rest is history because I was not cautious like a snake however I was innocent as a dove.

              Moral of the story. If you’re going to speak up be prepared to get the big shiny boot because regardless of whether their right or wrong they will boot you if you don’t adhere to Watchtower’s teachings.

            • 1914for100Alex

              If someone would have asked me a year ago what separates the Witnesses from everybody else, one of the answers I would have given is that they encourage everyone to study the Bible rather than just let a priest tell them what they need to hear. I’d been away so long I actually would have thought that maybe they’d be open to hearing another opinion. Now I know better. Sorry you had to find out the hard way. At least you finally have an answer for it, and you now know it was meant to be this way.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Don’t get me wrong they did encourage me to questions everything including the watchtowers motives and I did question everything including their 1914 scenario which I never really understood and didn’t agree with however when I did inquire and disagreed with certain aspects of their teachings I was simply told that I wasn’t ready to understand that just yet and that I should continue in my studies with them and the light will get brighter and brighter.

              Now that I look back I realize that many of the brothers and sisters themselves including the Elders had very little comprehension of the 1914 scenario in fact most times I brought the subjects up the brothers and sisters avoided talking about it, Keep in mind I wasn’t baptized just yet and they never had a problem me until I got baptized then everything changed like night and day.

            • 1914for100Alex

              If they couldn’t even fully comprehend what they were teaching, they themselves were going off of nothing but blind faith in a teaching someone else told them was right. It sounds like the light did get brighter and brighter…for you! You got up to speed on the basics, did what you were supposed to do and tested everything, and then got shunned for realizing some things didn’t make sense. They were ok with your questions until you were “one of them”, as if baptism is where the individual questioning and deeper understanding is supposed to stop. Very frustrating to hear stories like yours. I’m glad you didn’t give up on looking for answers like so many others have. That’s the easy way out.

            • KB

              Im so glad I don’t have to spend MY valuable time studying gods word. The brothers lovingly do it for me. Everything they teach is 100% true as well. I’m so glad I have these faithful brothers thinking for me, so I don’t have too. one less thing to worry about.

              This Watchtower quote explains is all.

              Watchtower 1967 June 1 p.338 Move Ahead with Jehovah’s Organization

              12 How will we put these four things into effect? First, study: We may think of study as hard work, as involving heavy research. But in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough? Take this suggestion: Often the very best and most beneficial studying you do is that done when you read a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book with the joy of getting the new truths and a fresh view.

            • e.v.g

              Yeah, I will use my brain for thinking about crab’s immortality, and sometimes for jokes that I can recall.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Just like Christendom…

            • Burt Reynolds

              I know information anxiety or overload is very debilitating, demoralising and gnaws away at self esteem. It certainly did for me. It’s an insidious worm that devours slowly the essence and joy of learning and contributing. I think Jehovah knows this. He seems to have lovingly constructed the bible with two facets. One for the teacher, one for the listener. Listener version……’the greatest of these is love.’ (Do it). Teacher version….’In the beginning…..’ (Learn it. Exam follows).

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Burt I really enjoyed reading this comment of yours and I particularly liked the wording you used when you said
              ‘It’s an insidious worm that devours slowly the essence and joy.

              In your opinion Burt based on your experience In life – what do you believe the insidious worm Is that devours us slowly and robs us from our joy?.
              And how can we avoid these parasites?.
              I’m just curious of your opinion seing that you have a lifetime of experience and you could most certainly share the dos and don’ts as it would be beneficial for some to hear.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Goodness! That’s a question and a half. I’m not sure how my experience could mirror anyone else’s as we are all unique. There is a book with regard to psychology, called ‘The feeling of what Happens’ by Damasio, and which delves into the unique circumstances of how a person experiences life. As you know, what is a catastrophe to one person, is to another, no more than an anthill. To each, his own crisis. We live in a world in which we have never experienced joy. We have never experienced love. We do not know what rest is, what comfort is or how to breath in peace. As a colour blind person cannot see, for example, the colour red, who can explain to him what it is? We can only suggest our own learnt, concept, that red is hot and so we can drop a warm bottle into his hand and let him sense that, the feeling of what happens. But does he see it? No. So then, Neither do we see true love, experience true peace, or wake in the morning to true joy and security. That was murdered a long time ago by the act of Eve and the collaboration of Adam and has been our own ever since. The nearer we get to the tribulation, the further removed we are from Jehovah as our paths devide and we live by sin and embellish it daily with new pathways such as the filth the Internet offers, draws, sucks in, and our resistance weakens. We are not keeping afloat and treading water, we are in fact sinking ever further away from Jehovah. Is that not why there comes a time when Jehovah must act to save us from more than we can endure?

              What devours us slowly is ourselves. Certainly there are those that recognise Satan and love his ways and for others, there are those that hate his ways but are sucked in by his quicksands, our resilience broken. The gap between choice and connivance grows ever thinner and blurred, just as Jehovah says, ‘ he (Christ) is in the inner rooms, he is over there, over here…do not go after them’. I fear that the point of endurance is a hairbreadth away.

              No it’s not some may say,…not for me…but I am thinking more of the strength of evil that would entrap even the chosen ones were it not brought to an end. I am not a chosen one and so perhaps like others, I may feel the danger more. As with the illustration of the colour, we can can only guess at what the reality is, but we can be certain it is not what we expect it to be because we cannot even imagine the forces that dwell in the substance we call the heavens. And so as we examine our own understanding and imaginations and apply this to our future to comfort ourselves as to how we may survive and so entrap ourselves ever deeper in our own understanding. Thus we allow the satanic worm to grow in ourselves, that was seeded so long ago.

              All very depressing. When I was social working, I was involved in all sorts of terminal cases. From living in this world, outward going, strong beliefs, faith, money, possessions and their value….everything eventually deminished to the one room in which they lay as the end approached. Nothing much outside of that room mattered. All was abdicated down to the one person, their doubts, the wish for it to end and their fear…of death or God and anger. So too for people at the end of this system, which is why it will be so destructive. And we make it this way. Satan feeds off it and sends it back a thousand fold.

              What can we do to stop this parasite within you ask? And reading back through this, it is a doom laden parasitic invasion of hopelessness that this world offers us and entices us into loving. The only way I can think of is as the scriptures suggest. We have to divest ourselves, of ourselves. If we do keep ourselves close and comforted in this system of things, we fail to see the significance of the warm bottle of the bible that we hold in our hands that hints at the colour of Jehovah that we cannot see: the personification of Jehovah, the fulfilment of the promise, the truth of what love is, the joy of unification with the creator, the true magnificence of the creation and how it came to be. The secrets of how it came to be. We should be looking through ourselves and to what lies on the other side of the bridge of faith for it is only faith in what we do not see, that is the key to the emptying of ourselves as the scripture says, and I taking on the garments of faith.

              If you look at the latest video that Robert has written, a truely inspired illustration, you can see more clearly the leap from our own limited insight, blindness if you like, to the ethereal, yet living sense of what will happen and that we shall see what is yet unseen, what is hidden. Somehow, we must put the world separate for ourselves and keep on daily, thinking above ourselves to the refinement of the elements of jehovahs love, peace, empathy that he describes himself by, and that is suggested to us in a small way , and make that our inner self, rather than our day to day existence which is dying within us right now as imperfect people. Live our lives in Christ. I suppose that was what I was thinking! (You did ask!).

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I think to some degree or another we all feel like you Burt I mean let’s face it – it’severywhere you go, satan’s prominence is well established and in our face 24 to7 and it’s only going to get worse as the tribulation gets closer.

              yes you’re right is very depressing but at least we have the hope and the promise that Jehovah extends to his fateful and that’s a lot more than what worldly people have because they do not put their faith in Jehovah.

              Even the Apostle Paul felt as we feel, take note of what he said
              “Therefore, we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day.
              For though the tribulation is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing greatness and is everlasting; while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting. Corinthians4:16-18.

              Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:Read more>https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/hebrews/11/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Song 134 See Yourself When All is New vocals

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg5HBGaI4dM

        • Bklyn Kevin

          The link below has several articles that will give you further insight concerning this subject.
          Search results for: Eagles. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/?s=+Eag

      • Burt Reynolds

        I don’t know Beverly. Still trying to find out. The verse seems ambiguous to me, one of those grammatical anomilies.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Good morning Burt.
          The link below has several articles concerning your question.
          After reading these articles you will get a better comprehension of what the eagles represent.
          Search results for: Eagles. Read more>
          https://e-watchman.com/?s=+Eagles+

    • ha, that question again…
      read Luke but get some context by reading above a bit

      • Burt Reynolds

        Well I read it DA, but still none the wiser. Go on, tell me please! It’s obviously a common question.

        • yeah its poped up here in comments since 2014 as i remember. Jesus just shortened metaphorically what he had just talked about, thats all. the carcass would be him and the new creation can be likened to egales i suppose just as Jesus vs Devil is in Ez ch17 and in Rev speaking to the angels of the seven congregations. but i could be off on that but Robert seems to come to the same conclusion anywayz

  • True Witness

    Hello everyone.
    When I was reading this comment I asked myself a question. Can blind and not thinking Jehovah’s Witnesses be called this way. Our spiritual brothers and sisters always repeat what WT say and not Jehovah. They are more WW Watchtower Witnesses. And they do not allow other opinion in congregation. How sad. I feel like everyone arround in congregation is blind and locked mind. No one to talk to about real truth. So strong influence of Satan Man of Lawlessness. And it will be until the end. People in the world blinded from one side and WW blinded from other. Terrible situation for us who see clearly. We are like on small island. Thank to Jehovah He will release us from this situation.

    Blessings to you all.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Hello True witness, I can only relate my own experience in whether or not the brothers and sisters can be called this way. I too have thought when brother King has said outright that ‘it’s a lie!’, that I can just see the shutters go up. Certainly with my own sister. She tells me not to send Roberts articles as she is ‘quite happy with her religion…’ ( but I keep sending them anyway). But then I think, perhaps they need to be told this way, straight, plainly and in a forthright manner. The apostles I seem to recall preached that way and Christ did not hold back either. Yet the scriptures say also that there is a time to speak and a time to be silent, and they say also to be fishers of men. Well, men can be drawn in by hooks in the jaw like a fish, or like a trout, they can be brought in by a gentle touch. The scriptures say be all things go all men. So, what to do? The options are endless but I came to this conclusion on the matter, and that is, Jesus said that those hearing my voice will know it and answer it. If we try to find a solution in words ourselves, as to how to portray the truth in a manner that beguiles all in kindness, then yes, in the English language and Hebrew and Greek languages, that can be done, but you would need to write the bible to give the balance to the straight talk, the smooth talk, the kind talk and the abrupt, shock tactic. Yet there is another way also and I experienced this myself. After years of wandering, looking for the truth, wondering if it could ever be found, it took only one reply to tell me that it was here. And the only reason that it was so clear, was because it was true. It would not have mattered to me if it was written in pidgin English, or robust ‘French’ English. I suspect that is not uncommon for friends on this site. So be assured, it is not how truth is written that wakens the heart, it is what is in the heart that wakes to the truth, no matter how eloquent, no matter how simple, no matter how kindly put, no matter how abrupt.

      • LW

        “So be assured, it is not how truth is written that wakens the heart, it is what is in the heart that wakes to the truth, no matter how eloquent, no matter how simple, no matter how kindly put, no matter how abrupt.”

        That’s why it goes back to the heart condition.

        You could get up to the highest rooftop and shout the TTAT with a megaphone, you could get way out in the most busy street and do the same thing…it’s not how YOU do it, but it is dependent upon if there is viability within an individual’s heart.

        • Burt Reynolds

          I think so. I haven’t known anyone able to beat the truth into any one yet, either physically or verbally……or, beat it out of them come to that.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            You know the old saying

            “You could bring a horse to water but you can’t make him drink it but after awhile the horse does get thirsty and does drink, so to men also will do when Jehovah brings calamity upon them because only terror will make them understand.

            And when that devastation comes upon them they’ll be more susceptible to hear what we have to say in respects to Jehovah’s great day and for sure many will drink there fill some to everlasting life and others to everlasting destruction because they refused to drink the life saving water that Jesus offered free.

            As often as it passes through,It will sweep you away; For it will pass through morning after morning,During the day and during the night.Only terror will make them understand what was heard.”Isaiah28:19.

            You tell me is it just plain pride or stupidity? perhaps so but there is another factor some just didn’t know because they wasn’t told so.

            Now if I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe to me if I do not declare the good news Corinthians 9:16.

            John 7:37
            On the last day, the great day of the festival, Jesus stood up and he called out: “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.
            Isaiah 55:1
            Come, all you thirsty ones, come to the water! You with no money, come, buy and eat!Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.
            Revelation 7:17
            because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life.And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

      • 1914for100Alex

        You know what Burt? I saw LW’s reply to you in the recent comments section and clicked on it before reading yours. When I saw the quotation marks I actually thought that maybe he was quoting Peremino again. Nope. It was you! Very well said.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    If you read Daniel 11 and 12 we have 5 things so shall happen.

    1 king of north destroy many
    2 Jesus raise
    3 discusting thing destroy
    4 great tribulation
    5 Jesus coming

    • e.v.g

      Jesus said that nation will raise against nation etc. It was the first sign he said, interesting. The consequences: economic collapse, famine, earthquakes and so on. God’s people will have to endure that circumstances and they will have to understand that Jesus was not ruling since 1914, those who repent and accept the truth about that, Jehovah will show mercy to them.

      • “But Jehovah will have mercy on the descendants of Jacob. He will choose Israel as his special people once again. He will bring them back to settle once again in their own land. And people from many different nations will come and join them there and unite with the people of Israel. The nations of the world will help the people of Israel to return, and those who come to live in the Lord’s land will serve them. Those who captured Israel will themselves be captured, and Israel will rule over its enemies. You will say”…

        “In that day Egypt and Assyria will be connected by a highway. The Egyptians and Assyrians will move freely between their lands, and they will both worship God. In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth. For Jehovah of Heaven’s Armies will say, “Blessed be Egypt, my people. Blessed be Assyria, the land I have made. Blessed be Israel, my special possession!”

      • Kjetil Stokka

        Jesus never said nation against Natione was a sign, other people Today say it is a sign, but Jesus said the sign was after the tribulation, the sign of the son of man (Jesus)

        • Kjetil Stokka

          The only sign is the sign of the Son of man.

        • ewatchman

          The apostles asked for a sign of the conclusion and his presence. Jesus answered them accordingly. Nation rising against nation is part of the sign, the beginning pangs as Jesus said. But the sign of the Son of man occurs at the very end.

          • Kjetil Stokka

            Ok but I not read in Matthew 24 Jesus say it is a sign, the only verse Jesus said it is a sign is in verse 30.

      • Victor Field

        These horrific things that would take place mentioned in Mat 24, would be the first thing to happen,.Tribulation,.
        4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

        These things must happen, but the end is not yet,
        How did you feel when the twin towers went down?
        How did you feel when we have been through recessions(economic collapse)? where we saw countries go bankrupt?
        And hey what about the wars,,war after war in the Middle East ?,and reports on more wars as it was all taking place,,.

        Was you alarmed?
        Did you take note, of what was happening during this time?
        Or was you expecting much worse, so missed it,,thinking it is still to be fulfilled,,.

        So the above was and came under the Tribulation and the Beginning of birth pains.

        Mat 24:29,,Say’s immediately after this time,,Of these things And immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
        During this time the woman is fed,.

        All these events that took place during the Tribulation ended with a war breaking out in heaven Rev 12 Why?
        Satan Accuse Jehovah’s choice of who he has selected as his Chosen,,he has after all been watching them for well over a decade, during the Tribulation,.

        Read the following Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

        “Now have come the salvation and the power
        and the kingdom of our God,
        and the authority of his Messiah.
        For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
        who accuses them before our God day and night,
        has been hurled down.
        11 They triumphed over him
        by the blood of the Lamb
        and by the word of their testimony;
        they did not love their lives so much
        as to shrink from death.
        12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
        and you who dwell in them!
        But woe to the earth and the sea,
        because the devil has gone down to you!
        He is filled with fury,
        because he knows that his time is short.”

        Also we can read the foretelling of it in Zech 3 of the Greater fulfilment to take place in the future,.

        • e.v.g

          Maybe I don’t understand you correctly, are you saying that the tribulation will have a duration of ten years, meanwhile the devil will be accusing christ’s brothers over those years? but the devil has been an accuser since the beginning of christianity.

          • Victor Field

            The Tribulation is 2300 eve and mornings,, a time period suggestions are made to it’s duration..,Got to go out at the moment,,Please check out what i have said Test it over,,.,

            • e.v.g

              The system will collapse partially before WW3 begins, the international markets will go down at the rumours of war, although the system is working in poor conditions is still working, then probably will be to late to be prepared at the rumours of war even in spiritual sense, the devil will go fast with wrath. False christs will deceive many, although JW’s are under the deluding influence they are not lost, they will be lost if they listen false christs in the future during the presence of Christ. Probably the system will go down partially before satan is thrown to the earth, he is very clever, although we dont’t know when this things will begin and when will go end.

            • Victor Field

              Ok, I appreciate what you are saying and how you perceive it to arrive,,
              Let us keep watching, Kind Regards Victor

            • Bklyn Kevin

              More food for thought.

              e-Watchman Vs the Watchtower
              Excerpt:
              The Watchtower, of course, teaches that these prophetic periods were concluded long ago. For instance, the Pay Attention commentary on Daniel regarding the 1335 days speculates that it ran from autumn in 1922 and ended in the spring of 1926! But if that is the case, are Jehovah’s Witnesses really to believe that God has pronounced “happy” that relative handful of International Bible Students who have, for the most part, all passed away? What reward did they have for keeping in expectation, other than the fact that they might receive a resurrection like the billions of others with whom they now lie mouldering in their graves?

              e-Watchman: The presence of Christ has not begun yet. Nor have Satan and his wicked angels been cast down to the earth in anger yet. The chronology connected to the “appointed times of the nations” has been misapplied.

              While there is no question that some features of the sign of Christ’s presence appear to have been fulfilled with the outbreak of the Great War and the horrific Spanish Flu of 1918, there are other aspects of the sign that are not in evidence. And as the Watchtower itself has stated, the sign of Christ’s presence is like a human fingerprint: unless all of the features of the sign are in evidence it is not a perfect match. For example, in the same context as Jesus foretold that there would be wars, pestilences and food shortages, he also prophesied that Christians would be betrayed and hated by brothers and even family members to the point of even being put to death. Although no religious community has been persecuted to the same extent as have Jehovah’s Witnesses, still, excepting the Nazi Holocaust, it is relatively rare that any are put to death. (Other aspects of the features of Christ’s presence are discussed in the essay A Closer Look at 1914) .Read more>https://e-watchman.com/e-watchman-versus-the-watchtower/

              Regarding “Times and Seasons” – Part 3
              Excerpt:
              Obviously, there are differences between the 1,150, 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335 days. But they are all within the 3 ½ to 4-year time range. What we can say for certain is that the beast will go through its trauma as a result of Satan and the demons being cast down. And that initial defeat for Satan will be as a result of the kingdom coming to power. It will be a time of unprecedented turmoil upon the earth as Satan goes on a rampage and will seek to annihilate all of Jehovah’s worshipers. But as we know, those who have died who belong to Christ will be resurrected first during his parousia, while the remnant of those who belong to Jesus who are alive then will be persecuted. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/regarding-times-and-seasons/

            • Victor Field

              What can i say,,thanks again Kevin for your time, collating the material here,,
              The Gospel sure has many variations,,Let us keep on the watch for Christ, Hey?
              And watch the variations collapse!!

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Daniel 12:1 you read Jesus travel out and the devil will be cast down to earth and the great tribulation start 1260 days, 1260 devil days.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Devil will know he only have 1260 days again

    • Beverly kenyon

      Hope so Kjetil…cos we’ve had enough of him!! Is that your dog? He’s magnificent! Wow! What’s his breed?

      • Kjetil Stokka

        Dobermann dog ?

        • Beverly kenyon

          Kjetil, he’s a very handsome boy. His coat looks luxurious and I think he’s showing off in that picture! Lol. Hope you don’t mind me asking Kjetil, are you a JW and do you live near Arvid who’s also on this site. Arvid lives on a farm and he has a magnificent dog too, it looks huge…I think it’s a mixed breed.

          • Kjetil Stokka

            I belong to no religion, because of the apostesy in year 100 there are no true congregation in world Today , I am a free person.
            I not think I know Arvid but I not sure.

            14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

            “I will live with them
            and walk among them,
            and I will be their God,
            and they will be my people.”
            17 Therefore,

            “Come out from them
            and be separate,
            says the Lord.
            Touch no unclean thing,
            and I will receive you.”
            18 And,

            “I will be a Father to you,
            and you will be my sons and daughters,
            says the Lord Almighty.”

            • Beverly kenyon

              I get that Kjetil and I understand. And there’s no doubt you love God’s word the Bible….love those scriptures you quoted. It’s great that you found your way here on Brother King’s site and I hope you continue to join in the discussion. Can I just say how brilliant it is that you and Arvid can speak English as well as your own language. I’m jealous of ones who speak other languages….that’s so clever!

  • 除了膜拜,别无它言!

  • why/what did Jesus want them to keep on the watch for since he knew they were coming to take him away anyway? @Robert

    • 1914for100Alex

      Hi D.A. I know your question is for Robert but I wanted to run something by you. I was just reading an article by Robert that Kevin had linked and part of it deals with the transfiguration. While reading it, your question popped into my head and I made the connection that it was the same three apostles that witnessed the transfiguration that kept falling asleep. Since it’s Peter, John and James that represent what the anointed are going to experience during the parousia, do you think it makes sense that they could also represent the anointed being spiritually asleep just before the modern day Judas is exposed? Does that make sense or am I reading too much into it?

      • excellent. if i wasnt asleep myself i wonder if i would have thought as well as your brain. seems like Robert touched on it but cant remember if he did and i didnt bother to check. very good work thoe Trebek. i feel the same as what you said, to answer your question

        • 1914for100Alex

          It’s entirely possible that he did. And I wouldn’t be surprised if I had commented on it lol. Like I said in one of my other comments, sometimes I need to come to a conclusion on my own. Something can make sense on the surface, but if it’s one of those things that has a deeper meaning I need to be able to connect the dots on my own for it to stick. I’ll have to do a search and see if this has been discussed before. Robert does a great job laying things out, but it helps to be very familiar with the scriptures he cites as well as surrounding scriptures. My big handicap is that I’m still behind in my reading. I haven’t read the whole Bible yet, and I know it’ll take more than just once to remember things. Thanks for getting back to me on this. Just being able to discuss things like this with others is a big help.

        • “And if he arrives in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them thus, happy are they! But know this, that if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would have kept watching and not have let his house be broken into.”

          passive thoughts

  • well i hail Jesus as our king already but i realize its premature to think that certain prophecies have already been fulfilled as the WT imagines

  • Cocheta

    can’t sleep, baby is staying with her Papa for 2 days & I dislike it very much, but my point here is that I am restless because of thinking about what mankind & the demons have put on Jehovah for the last thousands of years. I cried when I spoke to Jehovah earlier!
    Jehovah is so pure & beautiful & His original creations were exquisite, it should all have been so wonderful with pure light coming down from our Heavenly Father but we/mankind & satan as a whole have done nothing but throw dirt on Jehovah all these years. What should have been perfection has been turned into a filthy slimy vicious swamp filled with the most unclean ‘stuff’.
    How can Jehovah keep loving us & offering hope & His gracious kindness when all ‘we’ do is spit on His perfection & make His Word filthy? It should make us realise just how magnificent He really is! I can’t bear it at times when I think of the heartbreak that both Jehovah & His Beloved Son have to bear when they have been slandered, libeled, ridiculed, ignored & generally misaligned all this time.
    They have to ‘sit’ up there & watch us all making complete idiots of ourselves & ruining His mighty creation, this beautiful earth & listen to the vile language, gross songs, fighting, killing & all the rest of the awful things that go on in the world – we only see a part of it all but they have to see it all in glorious technicolor every day.
    The stench floating up to heaven from earth must be loathsome indeed!
    I am so sad & I apologise to Jehovah every night. It makes me cry!

    • Beverly kenyon

      Cocheta while your little princess, baby is away, and I know you hate her being away as you said, pamper yourself and try to relax…you deserve it! I agree with the things you say in your post and it’s very emotive. For me that’s why I love Jehovah and his Son more, because they put up with our hideous and vile ways…you’re right they see it all in full HD! Jehovah has promised he’s going to bring to ruin those ruining the earth and we have a King, Jesus Christ, who will soon be getting rid of all the misery, hate, injustices and filth and the real cause of those things we have live with in our imperfect state…all gone! Try to find joy in the simple things we tend to take for granted. For me it’s my freshly brewed coffee in the morning, a good night sleep, laughing with my friends, getting through a day without problems, clean sheets and quilt cover…love that, quality time to read and study without interruptions, long hot baths just thinking, appreciating nature…things that make you feel happy to be alive, coupled with the knowledge that there’s even more and better to come soon. So try not to despair Cocheta, baby will be back soon to keep you occupied and to make you smile with her innocent ways. X

  • Victor Field

    I have edited what i said in relation to Mat 24:28,,,Luke 17:37
    Wherever there is a carcass, there the Eagles will gather.

    Putting a correct angle on what i said about the Carcass and the Eagles,,.,
    The Carcass is collected by the Eagle
    The carcass represents the Chosen and the Eagles represents the Angels,,

    Mat 24:31,,And He will send His angels with a great trumpet call, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens to the ends thereof.
    5th Seal Rev 6
    Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

    Luke 30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36]e

    37“Where, Lord?” they asked.

    He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

    Rev 8:13 As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”

    • kool, ive had that same thought about the eagles myself; angels gathering from the four winds…
      its the carcass being singular¿? that thowes me off. unless its to be read like the words fish, deer and brick for example. Jesus having died gives me thoughts of the carcass being him. angels did gather at the grave of his dead body too.

      your presentation maks better sense an looks to still be in harmony with the context i noted Burt to read above with One grinding at the mill etc. notice to Burt & Beverly here, looks like i was off. i think Victor has it better here with his points. the carcass could well be the anointed just like Jesus and the angels the eagles. idk

      it reminds me of Ez 37, what do you think Vic?

      “Then Jehovah took hold of me, and I was carried away by the Spirit of the Lord to a valley filled with bones. He led me all around among the bones that covered the valley floor. They were scattered everywhere across the ground and were completely dried out. Then he asked me, “Son of man, can these bones become living people again?” … … “Then he said to me, “Speak a prophetic message to the winds, son of man. Speak a prophetic message and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, O breath, from the four winds! Breathe into these dead bodies so they may live again.’”

      • Victor Field

        Yes it is kool DA, If you read the post i edited,,my thoughts were the carcass was False prophet/s,,but it did not sit right,.
        I got quite stressed out as i had mentioned this thought to someone else,but i said it didn’t feel right,,I prayed for help in understanding that night(Wed) I then read Luke 17 and then got the understanding,,and it feels very right, especially for when it happens,GT,,and the question posed to Jesus, “Taking them,, where Lord?,,It does mention the word assemble in Bible hub,interesting.

        Wow, i have wanted understanding on the above for so long,it has pained me so much that little scripture,.

        And my answer to Eze 37 is yes yes yes, i think the same as you DA, talking of the same ones,.
        What happens to the carcass then, what are your thoughts DA?

        • well i just havent been focucing lately. i yet again have to go over what Robert knows cause i just havent retained that well. i know all Jesus did was just recapped eveything he has just spoke of in his illustration with a short carcass eagle concluding metaphor. we know hes obviously speaking about Jehovah’s people keeping on the watch primarily the holy ones. i didnt research what you presented much yet but just read over it in thought and it looks like you got a better concept/understanding. but as i read you i was wondering about Ezkiel’s vision and there happens to be the four winds deal again. so idk man i still need to study again. i was hoping you mite have thoughts cause thats all i got now. i have to go over it all again. just thought id throw that in there for now 🙂

          • Victor Field

            No probs, will look at what you said over the weekend,,av a good one

          • e.v.g

            The book of Revelation says about the woman who was given the wings of the eagle (Rev. Chappter 12) i can’t understand very well what does it means but i guess that has to do with Gods protection or something like that, similar when the israelites were saved from the egiptians.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Here’s what Robert had to say concerning the subject of the carcasse and the eagle.

      How Jesus is coming at an hour you do not think to be it.
      Excerpt:
      Furthermore, before the nations see the Son of man coming upon the clouds of heaven Jesus foretold that his true disciples would be gathered to him, as eagles to a carcass. Jesus said in verses 27-28: “Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
      https://e-watchman.com/how-jesus-is-coming-at-an-hour-you-do-not-think-to-be-it/

      The Second Time Christ Appears.
      Excerpt:
      This is what Jesus was alluding to when he said: “For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
      In other words, only the “eagles” will see Christ the second time he appears.
      https://e-watchman.com/second-time-christ-appears/Search

      Results for: carcass. Read a lot more> https://e-watchman.com/?s=+carcass

      • Victor Field

        Thanks Kevin, yes i could only find that one article that mentions it.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Hiya Victor, i still believe the Eagles are the Anointed based on those scriptures Bklyn Kevin has posted as found in Brother King’s article on the subject. Qualities of an eagle is sharp farsightedness so they will be on the lookout for him, for his presence and will be the only ones to ‘see’ him on his second coming…they’re the greatest teachers of their young and they’re monogamous to the end…the anointed teach the flock as part of their anointing and they have to be loyal in their faith and love for Jehovah and their King and Leader Jesus Christ onto death. Also, the Eagles will be where the carcass is, feeding off it is what I get from that part of the scripture and I might be really wrong here but I feel that ties in with what Jesus said at John6:53-57 where he talks about he lives because of the father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me…the Eagles being fed on the life giving carcass, Jesus Christ. But I do take on board the points you and DA have put forward…very interesting!

          • 1914for100Alex

            I was thinking the same thing about their ability to see well. I was also thinking that, because of their vantage point from the air, they’re able to see things that people on the ground can’t see.

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s a good point DA in that they’ll be able to see things that people on the ground can’t see. I was trying to bring out the characteristics that Eagles have with Jesus describing these “eagles” gathering to the carcass. I never really understood that piece of scripture but I really wanted to so was very excited when Brother King wrote that piece about it but when it was brought up I couldn’t stop thinking about it so I was following what you and Victor was putting forward which was really interesting.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I’m really laughing here 1914, because I’ve done it again…got you mixed up for DA!! Duh! Bet you thought…she needs to get to spec savers quick!! Lol. Very sorry about that but I was posting and on the phone at the same time, so I’m no good at multi-tasking obviously. Anyhoo, still liked that point you mentioned, adds another bit to understanding what Jesus said. Sorry and Thanks 1914.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Lol! No problem. I knew what you meant 🙂

          • Victor Field

            Hey Beverly, thanks for your comment.
            I am just happy everyone is taking the time to make their search for truth,,happy, happy,,

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thanks Victor. I get ‘eagle like’ tearing into the meaty things of God’s Word but I’m a complete amateur. Lol. And yeah, you’re right, the search for truth is happy. I love the input of everyone’s knowledge!

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Or is it at your order that an eagle flies upward And builds its nest high up, Spending the night on a cliff,
            Dwelling in its stronghold on a rocky crag?*
            From there it searches for food; Its eyes look far into the distance.Its young sip up blood; And wherever the slain are, there it is.”Job39: 27-30

            • Beverly kenyon

              That scripture sums up perfectly what I was trying to get across about an eagle’s amazing eyesight and how it could feed off a carcass for food. Thanks for that Bklyn Kevin.

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