Commentary on the Daily Text of Jehovah’s Witnesses

//Commentary on the Daily Text of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Sunday, August 13

In that day each of the prophets will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair in order to deceive.Zech. 13:4.

Will the destruction of the religions of Babylon the Great result in the death of all the former members of those religions? Apparently not. Some of the clergy will abandon their religious course and deny that they were ever part of those false religions. How will God’s people fare at that time? Jesus explains: “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” In 66 C.E., the tribulation was “cut short.” This allowed “the chosen ones,” anointed Christians, to flee the city and its environs. Likewise, the initial part of the future great tribulation will be “cut short” because of “the chosen ones.” The political “ten horns” will not be allowed to annihilate God’s people. Rather, there will be a brief respite.

The truth is fairly simple —Bible truth that is. A person does not have to have a degree in theology to understand it. The Watchtower has produced reams of literature in hundreds of languages explaining in very simple terms the basic Bible doctrines, such as what death is, who Jesus is, what God’s purpose is, and so on.

But a rather large portion of the Bible is devoted to what is called prophecy. Some say that roughly one-third of the Scriptures are prophetic. Prophecy generally deals with God’s judgments yet to be revealed —especially, at the revelation of Jesus Christ at his second coming. Appropriately, the very last book in the Holy Bible is Revelation, the stated purpose of its writing being, to show God’s slaves the things that must shortly take place.

From its inception the Watchtower has taken on the role of a prophet —a watchman on the wall, a foreteller of the things to come. In fact, the very symbol of the Watchtower —its corporate logo, if you please —is based upon the prophecy of Isaiah, which previews the fall of Babylon: “Upon the watchtower, O Jehovah, I am standing constantly by day, and I am stationed at my guardpost every night. Look at what is coming…”

So, while the men who speak from the Watchtower do not claim to be inspired prophets, they certainly do interpret Bible prophecy and project “what is coming,” as is routinely done, for example in the daily text of August 13, 2017. In that respect, then, from God’s standpoint they are prophets, because they speak in Jehovah’s name and wield authority over those who regard them as God’s appointed spokesmen. And surely, as all of Jehovah’s Witnesses know, all ecclesiastical authority rests with the Governing Body. They are held on high as the faithful and discreet slave and their teachings are regarded as the spiritual food dispensed at the proper time.

Now, as regards the things to come, it must be realized that the men who have stood upon the watchtower wall for these past many decades to declare what they see, have for the most part announced that what is coming has already come. As odd as that sounds, the reality is actually more queer. The truth is, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been induced to believe that virtually all the things foretold have already been fulfilled —including the climacteric return of Christ and all the things associated with his parousia, or presence, such as the final harvest.

As regards the parousia, the Christian apostle and prophet, Peter, who was an eyewitness to the miraculous transfiguration of Christ, explained that the vision he witnessed upon the lofty mountain was a foregleam of the parousia and that the event validated, or made more sure, all prophecy. In other words, the presence of Christ results in the fulfillment of all prophecy. That is why he exhorted Christians to keep paying attention to prophecy as to a lamp shining in a darkened place until day dawns and the daystar arises in their hearts.

An honest reading of the apostle’s epistle leads to the conclusion that once the day of Christ arrives, like the dawn of a bright, new day and the illuminating daystar arises within the hearts of those called into the Kingdom, then it is no longer necessary for them to keep paying attention to the lighted lamp of the prophetic word.

Yet, the Watchtower claims that the day of Christ dawned in 1914 and that the daystar has already arisen in the hearts of anointed persons. For example, here is an out-take from an article in the November 15, 2008, Watchtower:

Who is the “daystar,” when does he rise, and how do we come to know that this has happened? The “daystar” is Jesus Christ in Kingdom power. (Rev. 22:16) In 1914, Jesus rose before all creation as the Messianic King, heralding the dawn of a new day. The transfiguration provided a visionary foreview of Jesus’ glory and Kingdom power, underscoring the dependability of God’s prophetic word. Paying attention to that word illuminates our hearts, and we are thus made aware that the Daystar has risen.

Contradictorily, the very existence of the Watchtower, with its Teaching and Publishing committees, are all about exhorting Christians to keep paying attention to the lamplight of God’s word. But the figurative lamp does not impart the inward illumination. The presence of Christ does. The lamplight serves to guide Christians and ready them for the dawning of Christ. Then the Scriptures will have served their intended purpose and will no longer be necessary. 

In the practical application of the illustration, imagine the brightness of a sunny day at high noon. Now, suppose you light a flashlight or oil lantern. Would the light cast by a mere torch in the full light of day be necessary or even be discernible? Get the picture? A lamp is only useful at night. The actual coming of Christ will conclude the Christian era –close the Bible, really. 

But because 1914 is regarded as God’s sacred truth, unquestionable, above scrutiny, any of Jehovah’s Witnesses who speak of the coming day of Christ are regarded as apostate enemies of the truth. What perversity!

Now as regards the prophecy in today’s text: In three places in the 13th chapter of Zechariah the expression appears: “In that day.” What day is it referring to? The day of the Lord, which the Watchtower claims began in 1914. So, let’s dive in and examine the prophecy and see if the Watchtower’s interpretation is from God.

Verse two states: “‘In that day,’ declares Jehovah of armies, ‘I will erase the names of the idols from the land, and they will no longer be remembered; and I will rid the land of the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness.’”

Clearly, God’s intention is to cleanse his “land,” his organization, otherwise known as a congregation. Notice please, that the next passage in the prophecy does not say that the false prophets will be destroyed outright. They will be put to death only if they prophesy “again” –during “that day.” Here is what it says verbatim: “And if a man should prophesy again, his father and his mother who caused his birth will say to him, ‘You will not live, because you have spoken lies in the name of Jehovah.’ And his father and his mother who caused his birth will pierce him through because of his prophesying.”

First, notice, please, that God’s judgments  are against those who have spoken lies in the name of Jehovah. Contrary to the mountain of lies that the average churchgoer labors under, especially that God’s name is unknowable and unimportant and not worthy of uttering, God condemns those who speak in his name, but who speak falsely. Surely, Jehovah does not consider the churches of Christendom or Babylon the Great to be speaking in his name. They have made it a point to remove any trace of God’s name from their Bibles. It is not reasonable that non-Christians are judged for telling lies in the name of Jehovah, and Jehovah is certainly the personification of reasonableness. Only the Watchtower speaks authoritatively in the name of Jehovah. In fact, emblazoned on the cover of every Watchtower magazine for over 80 years appears the phrase: Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. 

As has already been demonstrated with regards to the parousia, the Watchtower has spoken falsely in the name of Jehovah. Christ has not returned invisibly and the prophecy in the 13th chapter of Zechariah confirms this very thing. Consider the closing words of the chapter, which state: “And I will bring the third part through the fire; and I will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Jehovah is our God.’”

As stated, God’s intention is to purify his people from the spirit of uncleanness, fortified by the lies the prophets utter in the name of Jehovah. Elsewhere, in numerous places in prophecy, the analogy is used of a refiner purifying gold and silver. Obviously, gold and silver are precious metals and highly valued by people throughout history. So, God considers his people to be like unrefined gold and silver, which must undergo a refining process to draw off the dross —the impurities.

The prophecy in the 3rd chapter of Malachi uses this same analogy. Here is what it says: “‘Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,’ says Jehovah of armies. ‘But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Levi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness.”

Notice that the passage above refers to the coming of the Lord four times. The Watchtower’s prophets claim that the messenger of the covenant came in 1914 and that the Bible Students underwent a fiery refining process and emerged like gleaming gold. But in the prophecy of Zechariah the refining process is connected to the cleansing of the spirit of uncleanness and the lies spoken by those who speak in Jehovah’s name. Laughably, the prophets of Bethel claim this applies to the false prophets of Babylon the Great in the future.

Surely, though, there are not two separate occasions when God subjects his people to the refiner’s fire. If that were the case, then the first refining process must have failed. Rather than a failure on God’s part, it is merely an example of how the Governing Body twist the Scriptures to fit their interpretation. Seeing that their interpretations of obviously related prophecies are at odds, it is a vivid demonstration of how those who speak and teach in the name of Jehovah lie.

But as regards their being killed only if they speak falsely “again,” consider the importance of the expression “in that day.” That day, the dawning of the day of the Lord, will completely repudiate the Watchtower’s 1914 hoax. How so? As I have pointed out in dozens of articles, the developments that make up the sign of Christ’s coming occur over a relatively short period of time. Jesus said, “when you see all these things.” That means those living will personally witness the fulfillment of all the things Jesus foretold. However, seeing all the things Christ foretold is not possible for us now if the things he foretold really began in 1914.

As regards the things to come, even though the nations are preparing for global war and the president of the most powerful nation on earth issues threats of unleashing “fire and fury such as the world has never seen before” —while citizens are building bomb shelters and stockpiling survival supplies —the Watchtower’s prophets have assured Jehovah’s Witnesses that there cannot possibly be a future fulfillment of nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom in warfare.

According to a few emails I have received from persons who have attended the 2017 regional convention a Governing Body speaker recently reiterated this; that a future world war is unlikely, since it would inevitably involve nuclear weapons and could annihilate all life on earth. That, of course is true.

But isn’t that exactly what Jesus is alluding to when he spoke of no flesh being saved unless God cuts short the tribulation? As in the text today, the Governing Body are oblivious as to why divine intervention will be necessary. Obviously, contrary to the public statements of Samuel Herd and others acting as prophets, mankind will be faced with the fire and fury of extermination in the war to come.

When world war erupts in the near future the Watchtower will be totally discredited, because it will be the beginning of all the things the Watchtower has claimed have already occurred. What a humiliation for the Governing Body —God’s appointed spokesman and prophet, to be brought face-to-face with the fraud they have perpetuated. That is when the scripture will be fulfilled: “In that day each of the prophets will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair in order to deceive. And he will say, ‘I am no prophet. I am a man cultivating the soil, because a man bought me when I was young.’ And if someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds between your shoulders?’ he will answer, ‘Wounds I received in the house of my friends.’”

Then, “in that day,” anyone who continues to propagate the Watchtower’s lies will be killed. That is when the evil slave will be thrown into the outer darkness.

As regards the wounds suffered by the would-be-prophet in the house of his friends, Jesus spoke of his house of domestics, over whom he appointed a group of slaves to feed them. Now, upon the master’s coming to the house to call to account his slaves whom he put in charge, Jesus said: “The master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting him and at an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones. Then that slave who understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do what he asked will be beaten with many strokes. But the one who did not understand and yet did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.” –Luke 12:46-48

Notice that both slave groups will receive the lash. One, though, is deserving of a few stokes, while the other comes inline to be beaten with many strokes. The one deserving of a few stokes acted out of ignorance. That surely is the position of most of the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are simply ignorant. Others, though, are cunning and deliberate in their deception. They will become the antichrists who will reveal themselves to be in outright opposition to Jesus when he unexpectedly comes to the house as the Punisher.

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2017-08-14T08:00:07+00:00 August 13th, 2017|Commentary|160 Comments
  • Easach of Coimbatore

    This article is like a powerful blow on the face GB itself. Nice brother keep it up

  • “They are held on high as the faithful and discreet slave and their teachings are regarded as the spiritual food dispensed at the proper time.”

    i don’t have it in front of me but the GB, claim they are only the F&DS when they are teaching behind the podium. how a witness could actually believe that nonsense is just crazy! stupid!

  • “have for the most part announced that what is coming has already come. As odd as that sounds”

    i liked that word anticlimactic cause it was funny

  • “A lamp is only useful at night.”

    “That day is a day of fury, a day of distress and of anguish, a day of storm and of desolation, a day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick gloom,”

    many with faults expectation will stumble and die of wormwood

  • “What perversity!”
    amen

  • @Brian

    “Contrary to the mountain of lies that the average churchgoer labors under, especially that God’s name is unknowable and unimportant and not worthy of uttering, God condemns those who speak in his name, but who speak falsely.” (or too holy to utter)

    must be ALL evangelical churches, lol, NOT!

  • oooh looks at what Robert called em -“non-Christians”, humm interesting

    let’s see here, “And I have made your name known to them and will make it known,” humm why is that I wonder? let’s see. – “in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in UNION with them.”

    so again the name serves a purpose

    • Nigel

      Given that Christ’s disciples were Israelites who, doubtlessly, already knew that God’s personal name was YHWH, please define “known” for us.

      • yes they knew how to spell it and sound it out. but what did Christ do?
        he was an example of a God, a God who had a name, a name that was better known by the love or example of Jesus.

        John 14:9

        • Nigel

          Well said.

          So you acknowledge that “knowing God’s name” means more understanding His character & standards, and less a mere intellectual knowledge of His name being YHWH…??

          Because if that’s the case, I can assure you there are non-JW followers of Christ who truly “know Jehovah’s name”.

          • yes, as one of Jehovah’s witnesses, i don’t follow men but rather Jehovah. Ga 1:10

            • Nigel

              There’s much I’d like to write but I shan’t.

              I would like to say, however, that whilst I’m no believer in the Trinity, your pointed question about Trinitarians works both ways: How could anyone teach “Know Christ” yet teach worshipping, faith & obedience to the Governing Body as “the Head”?

              Peace to you brother/sister.

            • better to say, how can anyone say know Christ and not use his name – Jesus?

              “How could anyone teach “Know Christ” yet teach worship, faith & obedience to the Governing Body as “the Head”?”

              answer: “An enemy did this”.
              the kingdom uses his name and is known by it.

            • Nigel

              Please read John 17:11,12 – noting what name Jesus Christ has – and prayerfully consider the ramifications of that.

            • all evangelical sects lead to Rome ain’t going to fly.

              what ramifications?

              Jesus acts in his fathers “name” and so does Christ brothers. ? John 17:26 “your name”. Christians are in union by the same name.

              “just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us,” – 17:21

              what Father is he referring to?
              apparently the Father that he has made known to them by use of his name in order that they be in “union” with him also by it. the name was passed on to them just as it was to him.

              Jesus made known to them who Jehovah is by use of his name just the same as his people do by use of his name. that is why they are “called by” his name – Isaiah 43:7

            • @Nigel

              “And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaace and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.”

              yet those three knew his name and used it.

              “In hearsay I have heard about you, But now my own eye does see you.”

              “When we got to hear it, then our hearts began to melt, and no spirit has arisen yet in anybody because of YOU, for Jehovah YOUR God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath.”

              just as ancient Egypt found out who Jehovah was through his Israelites then, so will the greater Egypt (U.S.) and nations today.

              Ez 29:6
              Ez 37:28
              Ez 34:30

              do the nations and Christian sects know Y H W H and how to pop a joke about Jehovah’s witnesses? yes. but they are not known by his name nor give parize to his name. they are not in union through Christ by Jehovah’s name.

            • Beverly kenyon

              They pop a joke about JW’s because to some people they’ve become a laughing stock and God was talking to his people the Jews back then when he was personally involved with them….the Jews, his people. If you want to claim that name then you can happily have it as I claim a true name as a Christian Witness to the Christ. Acts 4:12. We’re just the ‘wild olive’ and the Jews are still the ‘natural branches and as the ‘wild olive’ we’re standing by faith and Paul goes on to say, ‘quit having lofty ideas’….to the ‘wild olive’. Rom11:17,20. If it brings you comfort to think that calling yourself a JW somehow makes you feel ‘special’ in God’s eyes then you can ‘own it’ but for me no amount of words you present will make me change my mind on the use of that name as I’m not ignorant and like you I’ve done my research on that name….might not be fabulously educated, but ignorant and stupid and unreasonable I’m not! So you can stick that in your Rutherford pipe and smoke it DA as it was that man that brought in that name as the brand for that organisation and Aldo I’m sure someone here on this blog mentioned something about a rumour about there being a name change for that organisation. So cause a lot of controversy with regards to that name where people make fun of JW’s as you pointed out like it was something to be proud of and then just jettison the name they’re famously known by but for all the wrong reasons i.e Australia royal commission, paedophilia, etc, etc. Wonder how your ‘Jehovah’ feels about and having his ‘name’ dragged through the mud and the courts of the nations because no one will remember the individuals involved but they will remember that ‘name’. So, you can have that name, but I’ll stick with being a witness to the Christ.

            • they pop a joke because they are bias.

            • they make jokes because they are bias even if some of what they say is accurate.

              yes Acts 4:12. why is that? ?Joh 1:12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.

              Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

              1-Ti 2:5, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.

              John 6:44

              natural are those born into the truth from Abraham (the word Jew didn’t even exist until sometime during Judah then later anyone known for their God Jehovah, as people from Judah were, were also dubbed a Jew. those known as Jew’s today from the region of Israel are not men of Jehovah because they rejected his son.) otherwise they came to know of the truth later in life and accepted as God’s people. a proselyte.

              that lineage led to Jesus and finished its served purpose.

              that is done by faith not entirety tribal blood lineage or should we suppose blood lineage of Joseph impregnated Marry to bring forth God’s son? no, it was holy spirit.

              Rom ch4 ch9

              “the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed.”

              any are sons of Abraham by faith. James 1:1 – the tribes started from the 12 apostles after being anointed. example – Acts 2:2-4. anointing with spirit as adopted sons included outsiders. proselytes or Greeks as what Paul dubbed them all. Act 10:34-35

              “Wonder how your ‘Jehovah’ feels about and having his ‘name’ dragged through the mud”

              exactly. his people bring reproach on his name, why? because they are known by it. guess what that name is in English. – Jehovah

            • Beverly kenyon

              And they make jokes about the Scientologists, Mormons and others so they must be biased against them too, no difference.

            • you missed the point that the nations know of the name Jehovah but they don’t know who he his. they think he’s just pretend or a brand name, like Mormonism and Scientologists. but the nations and even Jehovah’s witnesses will know he is Jehovah. not he is God, not he is LORD, no name or heavenly father but Jehovah. nobody anymore will say “know Jehovah”. (Jer 31:34 Heb 8:11). that is why Nigel asked about them already knowing the name of God when Jesus said “I have made your name known to them”. the point is that he made Jehovah known and became in union with them by use of his name

            • Lev

              Today people think that Christ is Almighty God, and “witnesses” do not know that their Lord is Jesus Christ. In other words, people know the Son as God, and “witnesses” know God, but they do not know the Son!

            • Beverly kenyon

              DA, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I care for you as a person and definitely as someone related to me as a Christian.

              Much Christian Love to you. X

            • some things are difficult to agree about for sure. just something im thinking about –

              “Now I exhorty YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.” – 1-Cor 1:10

            • Bklyn Kevin

              For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.Read

              “Fully accomplish your ministry” (1-5)
              more>/https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-timothy/4/

            • Bklyn Kevin

              What you ask for….

              “You Are My Witnesses” – When?
              https://e-watchman.com/you-are-my-witnesses-when/

              All so please read.
              Ezekiel’s Chariot – What Does It Symbolize?
              https://e-watchman.com/ezekiels-chariot-what-does-it-symbolize/

            • Beverly kenyon

              I won’t be be in agreement about something I know not to be right so I guess I’m not filthy United and of the same mind and line of thought which if I remember I made that perfectly clear to you…even under torture! And go tell them about divisions as isn’t that what they do…earthly class, heavenly class, elders viewed as princes, pioneers, publishers etc, etc. Class distinctions.

            • Richard Long

              Way to stand your ground, Bev!

            • so since Jesus is a heavenly prince and he was the first pionear to publish the good news to those in the earthly region, he must be divided?

              “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus.”

              are the other sheep going to live in heaven or earth and are the 144’000 going to live on earth or heaven?

              who published the 66 books of the bible?

              does Michah view Christ will anoint brothers as princes?

              are Christians pionears of the good news?

            • Richard Long

              Bev, I’d have to ask at this juncture who you mean by “the Jews”? If you mean the genetic decendants of Jacob, I can easily accept that, as Christ plainly said he was sent to them and the core of the anointed Christian congregation was formed from among them. However, unless I am mistaken, following the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, men ciu

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Richard, only just got out of bed…I’m not a morning person, sorry. I’m looking for that post regarding your questions but cannot find it so hope you don’t think I’m rude & ignorant by not answering you. Thank you for your email address and I reply to you there. And no I’m not intelligent at all but I’m not stupid and I’m just an ordinary woman armed with my Faith in the Christ & the Heavenly Father trying to navigate my way in this world in the grip of a demonic fallen Angel. I’m not closed minded neither brainwashed and I recognise the ring of Truth when I hear it. Don’t know what religion you’re referring to as being more pompous & presumptuous than JW’s? And no, no one has seen Christ but for me, I ‘see’ him when I read about him in the Bible. X

            • Richard Long

              The post you responded to is the final version of what I began.

            • Beverly kenyon

              And being the “Head” would make them anti-Christ (not THE anti-Christ) as they would standing in the ‘Holy Place’ as there is ONE mediator between mankind and God and that’s Jesus. And Nigel, I would completely love to read the much you could write.

              Lots Christian Love Nigel. X

            • what God are you referring to? Zeus or Chihowa? Jupiter or Iehova?

              i speak a manufactured language called English.
              we who speak that language know the one and only true God by this spelling – Jehovah. you sound it out like this – http://www.dictionary.com/browse/jehovah (click speaker icon next to the name)

            • Beverly kenyon

              I haven’t a clue what you’re on about DA as to that question but I’ll answer you by saying I quite like Jupiter as I was gonna call my pet that. But I don’t presume to call the Creator who we owe our existence to by a name we think he should be called when that very name came from some Catholic priest called, Raymundus Martini in his book, Pugeo Fidei in 1270ce but he used ‘Yohoua’ in earlier editions and the WT themselves acknowledge many Bible scholars prefer ‘Yahweh’ as the Hebrew pronunciation of the Divine name. WT, July 15, 1964,p.423. And as to the Old Testament name of God, certainly the spelling and pronounciation ‘Jehovah’ were originally a blunder. (The Bible in Living English, 1972, p.7). So no DA, I will not use that ‘name’ we presume the Heavenly Father should be called, not even under torture! The WT use that name to prop up the idea that by stamping & branding themselves with that name it somehow makes them ‘God’ People’ it makes them authentic. So basically all your words are wasted on me as you won’t be convincing me otherwise….like I said, not even under torture!

            • you “think” or “presume” Yahweh is what he should be called and that is commonely accepted just as Jehovah is commonplace even more so. you accept one and not the other. double-standard?

              Hebrew – Ye•ho•wah.

              what are the names and religions of the other “many Bible scholars” and why does that matter when it comes to the spelling Jehovah but not Yahweh?

              humm “originally” a blunder yet that is the way it was understood then and stayed commonplace now. not a blunder anymore.

              the WT does not brand me, i am one of Jehovah’s witnesses by his utterence.
              “you are my witnesses is the utterence of _______”
              a) no name just God
              b) the Watchtower
              c) LORD
              d) Heavenly Father
              e) Jehovah (English)

              as a follower of Jesus i make Jehovah’s “name known”.
              that is done by using it in the common language to whom i speak.

              Christians use God’s name and are known by it. non-Christains don’t and are not known by his name.

              if you are Christian then you make his name known. or you can complain that someone didn’t dot the i and not use his name at all.

              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rlN0omtviC8

            • Beverly kenyon

              Like I said in my post to you DA, you can stick whatever it is you’re saying about that name in your Rutherford pipe as it was that man that branded that organisation with that name and if Gid wanted to have his name known with the correct pronounciation it would be known and we wouldn’t be having this argument but seeing as how it’s the name of his Son who died for ALL of mankind and it’s his Son ALL authority has been given and it’s that name that brings salvation then it’s that I’m sticking with and I cannot deny it. Hopefully with my Faith and Faith in that name I will live even if I die. You can keep harping on all you want until you’re blue in the face and need oxygen you won’t be persuading me any differently to what I believe now. So like I said, Rutherford and pipe…stick!

            • “if God wanted to have his name known with the correct pronounciation it would be known”

              he does, so that settles that. Jehovah is his name. (English)

              Jeremiah 23:27

            • e.v.g

              Are you saying that it is better worship Jesus rather than God? Or ,are you saying that Jesus is God? I can’t understand your point of view, what would think Jesus if someone make a prayer or worship him instead of his father, he said also that only God is good.

            • e.v.g

              JW’s are knowing who are they worshipping, similar to the jews in ancient times, but they are unaware about jesus glorification and power, it is a test for them because they are knowing God’s name, but they are not knowing the son in full meaning. I guess nobody.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, e.v.g, they’re not knowing the Christ as you say in full meaning as he’s been put on the ‘back burner’.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Food for thought.
              I will certainly sanctify my great name, which you profaned.

              Since the time of Christ until the 20th century the name of God has gradually receded into the background, being virtually replaced by Jesus, so that in the minds of most churchgoers today Jesus is God.

              But since Jesus and the apostles frequently quoted from passages where the YHWH appears and it is inconceivable that they would have omitted speaking or writing God’s personal name, there is little doubt that early-on the copyists of the Greek Scriptures removed YHWH from the so-called New Testament. The original King James Version of the Holy Bible furthered the practice in English, removing the name of God —except in four verses. (Modern versions of the KJV have removed it entirely.)

              No doubt, though, the appearance of the name JEHOVAH in those four places was due to divine providence, serving as a sort of placeholder until the Bible Students brought the name to the fore —becoming Jehovah’s witnesses long before being officially named such and before the New World Translation was even conceived.

              Now the Watchtower has introduced the name of God into nearly 800 languages, with JW.org becoming the most translated website in the world, far surpassing websites like Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Wikipedia and even the United Nations.

              Some persons who object to the specific name Jehovah do so on the grounds that the word is an invention, fabricated by a Catholic monk back in the 13th century. Although that is not exactly true, such persons fail to realize that the name represented by YHWH is translated with various spellings into hundreds of languages and dialects. And while some scholars claim the Name should be translated into English as Yahweh and the Catholic version called the New Jerusalem Bible uses that rendering, Yahweh is not used in everyday parlance among Catholics.

              The inescapable fact is, only Jehovah’s Witnesses are associated with the personal name of God in the minds of the public, whether the public knows it or admits it. Surely God knows.Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/will-certainly-sanctify-great-name-profaned/

            • Southern ShaSha

              Thank you Kevin. Hope that puts and end to this!

            • Beverly kenyon

              You’re right there Shasha, as its academic and tradition at the end of the day. Fear is one of the darkest human emotion and it’s a horrible thing to be held captive in our minds in invisible bonds of fear as those invisible bonds of fear are stronger than physical bonds, restraints because at least you can break free somehow from the physical but the mind will keep you locked! Just my musings….

            • amen

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wonder who he was talking to when he said he would sanctify his name….set it apart…..from whoever was profaning it?! Using it disrespectfully. All organised Christianity profane his name whatever name they choose to refer to him. So you say Jehovah and I say Yahweh we all believe in the one God. Another thought….when the High Priest declared the Divine name on Yom Kippur, those within earshot would kneel and bow down on their faces which brought to mind when Jesus was arrested on that night in the garden, John18:1 and he asked them who they were looking for he said, I AM he and they all fell to the ground John18:6. Because to Jewish ears Jesus was declaring God’s name as his own. John 17:11. Therefore if all Authority has been given to Jesus by his Heavenly Father and he’s been given his Fathers Name then according to Acts4:12 it’s THAT name that brings Salvation to mankind.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Beverly kenyon said to Bklyn Kevin 2 days ago.
              Wonder who he was talking to when he said he would sanctify his name.?
              All organised Christianity can not possibly be profaning his name as you have suggested Beverly- how so one might ask?
              Because they not only took his great name “Jehovah” out of the remaining four places where it was in the bible thus totally removing it from the scriptures altogether in fact everybody knows christendom on a whole does not even profess Jehovah’s great name.
              But there is one organised religion that does profess his great name “Jehovah” and in fact they have been doing it for more than 100 years now and of course we know they are jehovah’s witnesses and the facts as well as history show they the jehovah’s witnesses are the only organized religion doing so, And in fact these very facts clearly show that Jehovah does have a people for his name and of cause they are jehovah’s witnesses and yes they are profaning his name where christendom couldn’t possibly be profaning his name because they not only don’t know it but they also do not profess it in the door to door ministry or anywhere for that matter.
              ‘I will sanctify my great name’
              “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Not for your sakes am I acting, O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which you profaned among the nations where you have gone.”’ ‘I will certainly sanctify my great name,+ which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes. Read more>https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/ezekiel/36/#v26036022

              P.S. Beverly you could call GOD what ever name you choose after all it is your free will and choice but please remember what the Apostle Paul said .
              For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?
              Romans 10:13-14. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/romans/10/#v45010013

              THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (2013 REVISION)
              A5
              The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures
              Bible scholars acknowledge that God’s personal name, as represented by the Tetragrammaton (יהוה), appears almost 7,000 times in the original text of the Hebrew Scriptures. However, many feel that it did not appear in the original text of the Christian Greek Scriptures. For this reason, most modern English Bibles do not use the name Jehovah when translating the so-called New Testament. Even when translating quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in which the Tetragrammaton appears, most translators use “Lord” rather than God’s personal name. Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/appendix-a/divine-name-christian-greek-scriptures/

            • Beverly kenyon

              The word Jehovah has never been found in any NT manuscript and WT says that the personal name of the Heavenly Father was originally there but was removed without trace so along that thinking wouldn’t that then undermine the truthfulness and integrity of the whole Bible?! If such an important word were changed of completely gone then what else is wrong in the Holy Scriptures? But of course if ‘Jehovah’ did not appear in the NT the meaning of key NWT scriptures would change like for example the one you quote in your post…Romans 10:13,14. Obviously, they must not be aquatinted with Revelation 22:18.

              Matt 3:17. ‘Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said, ‘This is my Son the Beloved whom I have approved.’

              Acts 4:12. Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.

              It’s that name I’m looking to for salvation. Thanks for for the links you provided but I don’t visit that website and have no desire to ever do so.

            • why does the name Jehovah need to be found in the Greek scriptures for that to be his name? it doesnt need to be found and the name is still Jehovah in English regardless, otherwise translate his name from יהוה to Greek and then speak Iechová.

              God’s name is found in the Greek scriptures for the fact parts of his name is what makes up words and the names of his people such as Elijah (Ηλίας) and Jeremiah (Ιερεμίας) who are even mentioned in the NT as you’re calling it. – Matt 16:14. λληλούϊα – Rev 19:6

              by your own logic you can’t accept all the other biblical names accepted in English otherwise youre being hypocritical.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              If the name “Jehovah” is so important why isn’t it in the NT?.
              Excerpt:
              The mystery of God’s missing name is all the more intriguing given the fact that Jesus and his apostles quoted from the Hebrew text about 360 times and alluded to it a similar amount. Of the over 300 direct citations the YHWH appeared in dozens of places in the Hebrew. And there is also evidence that the YHWH appeared in early copies of the Septuagint, which was a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that existed when Jesus was on earth.

              For example, on one occasion when Jesus was attending a service in his local synagogue he requested to have the scroll of Isaiah. He unfurled it to the place where we call Isaiah 61:1 (the original Bible was not divided into chapter and verse) and he read the following: “The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners, to proclaim the year of Jehovah’s goodwill…”

              Since Jesus once stated in prayer that he made his Father’s name known, and he taught his disciples to pray for the name of God to be sanctified, it is highly unlikely that Jesus would have substituted the title Adonai for YHWH when he publicly read the passage where his Father’s personal name appears.
              Read more> https://e-watchman.com/if-jehovah-is-so-important/

            • Huldah

              Hi Kevin

              Interesting thread here.
              I don’t object to the name Jehovah or myself being called a JW.
              I have been curious on this point which Bev alluded to.
              If Rutherford was apostate, could the name he gave us be a fabrication of his own mind?
              I’m open minded as to how to categorize Rutherford, but honestly, after being schooled on the wacked out things he believed and did, I’m inclined to scrutinize anything that arose from him.
              I’d really rather be called an “Earnest Bible Student” because that is what I wish all JWs were.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello Huldah, I understand your point however give me some time and I’ll get back to you with my research results.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Before we proceed with this conversation concerning Rutherford and his supposed apostate status, ask your self these questions, are these accusations true? where’s the evidence if there is any or is it just hearsay / false stories? .

            • Huldah

              I try to apply logic. I am not one just to accept hearsay.

              I do strongly believe that one of Christ’s true brothers would exhibit extraordinarily Christlike qualities and would, after some time in the truth be rooting out negative traits and arrogance.

              Beth Sarim smacks a bit too much of arrogant self importance and the desire to create his own paradise in this world because Christ was taking too long.
              The common description of his personality as bombastic appears to brand him with a trait quite counter to Christ-like humility.
              Even the WT mentions how he commonly hurt others feelings.
              Many of the things he prophesied were wrong including those
              regarding the millions now living will never die and Beth Sarim resurrection.

              At best, he appears to be a King Solomon who may have started out well but allowed the world to mold him into apostasy by his end.

              This does not take into account less substantiatable claims like his having a mistress he kept by his side as a secretary, alcohol problems, his ex wife and son hating him, the Bethel lawyer who called him out for his abuse of the brothers….
              Without taking those things into account, there’s still a strong case against him.
              The other thing with the name JW, didn’t Robert write that ones do not become JWs in the sense of Isaiah until sometime during Christ’s presence.

              Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like having to second guess things so far back in the org, but there seems to be a credible case for doing so, disappointingly.

            • For whatever it is worth, back in the 80’s I had the privilege of being in a congregation in Houston TX with 3 old-time anointed persons, one of which was baptized in a bathtub by Russell and the other was baptized at Cedar Point. All were fulltime workers –two were up until their deaths.

              The one sister who had been baptized by Russell at a very young age was a Bethelite who was assigned to housekeeping duties at Beth Sarim. She had the fondest memories of Rutherford and Beth Sarim. She related a story once that Rutherford came bounding down the stairs from his study and exclaimed to Sister Balko, “I know who the great multitude is!” I don’t recall sister Balko ever mentioning Brother Rutherford’s mistress.

              By the way, Rutherford had contracted a lung condition in prison and could not handle the cold winters of New York. To some extent i believe that. I am asthmatic and I thrived in Southern California weather, but not so well in hot and humid or cold and damp.

            • Huldah

              I do believe he had a lung condition. Wouldn’t a nice condo do for one person as opposed to what qualifies for the time as a mansion complete with personal servants?
              I don’t doubt that the sisters were honest hearted and anointed.
              I figure there are some very happy Bethelites, even anointed ones, who think the world of all the governing body members. Maybe they should, but I have some reservations as to my trust of them due to the. NGO and pedophile affairs, among other things.

              The mistress stories are a bit far fetched true. Not one I put a lot of faith in.

              Good to hear from both sides.

              I’ve spent my lifetime around the truth, trusting prominent ones I later found I should have never trusted. This was a great harm to me, indescribable depth of damage to my life and the lives of those I love. I just wonder how far back and how far up this goes.

            • It is good to be balanced. I have a problem with the people who dredge up juicy stories to besmirch someone’s character after they are dead and gone and can’t defend themselves. They have done it to Russell and Rutherford. Some of it might be true, but it might not.

            • Huldah

              Lots of haters of JW’s out there who are looking to believe anything negative. I hadn’t really heard anything about Beth Sarim until I came to eWatchman. Some of the things others here described about Rutherford didn’t sit right with me so I checked things out a bit. Don’t know how one would verify some of that stuff, but some verifiable facts still bug me about Rutherford. We get pretty much all positives from the WT org., but I’ve learned to question that too. Just throwing it all out there to see where it falls among the rational minds on eWatchman.

            • I try to stick to examining the teachings and practices of the WT as an organization and avoid criticizing individuals. That way we avoid the pitfall of despising one of these little ones, whose angels always behold the face of Jesus’ Father. (Matt 18:10) Like Paul said, “do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.”

            • Huldah

              Good plan. Safe bet:)

            • Beverly kenyon

              Everything about Russell and Rutherford is on the worldwide web for anyone in the world who cares to read about them all the court cases with evidence. And if they were alive they would be written about and people would seek it out to read. Dead or alive if you’re a controversial person for whatever reasons you will be scrutinised and be under the microscope of the media.

              An ex bethelite has devoted his whole site, jw facts, to WT history, it’s former leaders, now deceased and the inner workings of that org. It’s wise to find out what type of person brought in most of jw doctrines that 8 million people follow and in most cases without question because to question would be to think for yourself and to think for yourself you’re not held captive to the doctrines of men and to their agenda even if they’re dead or alive.

              And what you’ve written has fallen on my rational mind Huldah and can I just say you have a very balanced mind.

            • Huldah

              I’m one who can’t just trust. I have to delve into things, get informed and draw my own conclusions, especially now that I have been “red pilled”. I don’t want to fall prey to those that have an ax to grind and just want to find fault, but I think (after all I have been through inside the JW org) I am even more concerned with being burdened and guilt trodden by manmade rules that Jehovah never intended for his people to be burdened with. When you start to question some of the doctrine and ritual of the organization, you realize it is often not even Bible based. The question then becomes. From where did this originate and can I trust the source? I’m always interested in what others have to say.

              Thinking for ourselves has become more and more important in our time, but we face a fight. In the past couple years, I have become increasingly uncomfortable with a tendency of the WT to protect the titled among them, coming down fast and hard on anyone who questions those with a leadership position. We can see that with the pedophile scandal, but it is getting even more pervasive. I get the sense that the MOL has his minions in position and he is protecting them from any scrutiny. They can bring in any doctrine, burden or abuse the sheep however they please, and noone can question it. Makes my skin crawl.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Matt 11:30. For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.
              Matt 23:4. They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men, but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger.

            • Huldah

              When you are under the yoke of the MOL, you keep wondering why Matt. 11;30 isn’t true in your case. Glad I woke up.

            • The Raven

              That’s part of a discussion we had about a couple weeks ago concerning things beyond what was written. Namely birthdays, smoking, drinking etc. Not good habits for sure, but folks were not approved or even disfellowshipped for these sort of things. Not to mention appearance. Oh boy!
              When I studied with them ( late seventies and I tried once again in the early nineties since they claimed they had new light) I already had a sense that they did not like to be questioned about certain matters and if you asked a question they could not answer, as I did…you got the side glances and cold shoulder. One did seek to ask Bethel about a question I had but I never got a reply from them. By then… I was no longer being considered for approval.
              I often wondered how folks managed to hang in there, especially sisters who seemed to be shouldering a good bit of the preaching work at times. In the KH I haunted for a few months, they outnumbered the men almost two to one.

            • Huldah

              Makes me sad so many honest hearted ones whose lives are hard enough, unnecessarily burdened with the traditions made up by men. I used to wonder how the lowly Jews put up with the Pharisees, yet here we are again. And again, most Witnesses don’t even see it. They suffer by it, but they are blind to it as the Jews were.

            • The Raven

              That’s true. I am still reading about issues common to Jws that never really affected me much but what things I did see didn’t set well. I was so glad to have found truth about the proper arrangements I dug into prophecy and only raised my head out of revelation when something really stupid happened. And then it happened to me! lol! What don’t kill you will make you stronger even if it pisses you off and it does, I must admit. Keep searching Jehovah’s words. The rest will eventually be revealed. I still hope that some of the kinder souls I knew back then and some even now will trust Jehovah in that day and I’ll be there to see them as well.
              You too!

            • Richard Long

              Your work on the forum, Hulduh, along with Hannah’s is outstanding Do not let any male person convince you you are not an equal in ability to research and conduct Expository Study and Exegesis as opposed to the Topical Study and Eisegesis employed by the WT, most of us here (myself included) as we have been trained by the WT to do. You (both) would be one of the women Christ kept company with!

            • Huldah

              Kind and encouraging thank you.

            • Richard Long

              It is we who should be thanking you. Check this out:

              http://beroeans.net/how-we-study-the-bible/

            • Huldah

              Excellent reference
              So important to recognize that the only real truth is gained by letting the Bible explain itself.
              The only way to salvation is to love truth above all else, even your own soul.

            • KB

              I have to agree with you 100%!

            • Daisy

              Remember…Deborah accompanied Barack and gave him strength in accomplishing God’s purpose in obeying God’s command to go to war. She led the way.
              “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go” said Barak
              Think I’ve said that because there maybe just a couple of brothers here who like to subjugate sisters a la WT.

            • Huldah

              That’s why my name is Huldah to Hilkiah. It’s coming through that I have my reservations about Rutherford. If Robert doesn’t want to dance with me on the lightening rod that’s okay. I guess if I had the prospect of facing Rutherford or his angel in heaven, I might be less cheeky myself. Especially if Rutherford is as bombastic as they say….Lol…Lol…Just kidding…. Just kidding! Okay, now I’m waiting for the lightening strike. If I don’t post again, you’ll know why.

            • KB

              It’s true that dead men tell no tails. It’s also true that when you are alive you don’t always tell on yourself when it comes to your wrong doing. Many people fall into this category. Take Rutherford for example, just what kind of man was he? The next few paragraphs are from Wikipedia.

              Rutherford married Mary Malcolm Fetzer of Boonville, Missouri on December 31, 1891. Their only child, Malcolm Cleveland, was born on November 10, 1892.[204] The couple separated after Joseph Rutherford became president of the Watch Tower Society.[157] Mary remained an active member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses until becoming confined to her home in the years before her death in 1962 at age 93.[205]
              Rutherford had reportedly lost the use of one lung from pneumonia suffered during his imprisonment in 1918 and 1919; finding New York’s winter weather “impossible”, Rutherford was encouraged by a doctor to “spend as much time as possible” in a more favorable climate.[206] In 1929, a residence named Beth Sarim (literally, House of Princes) was constructed at San Diego, California for Rutherford’s use,[207][208] initially as winter accommodation and later as a full-time residence.[205][209] He died at the property in 1942. The villa was sold in 1948, with The Watchtower declaring, “It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep.”[210]
              The standard of Rutherford’s accommodation and his personal conduct attracted criticism from some Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses in the 1930s. Walter F. Salter, the Society’s former branch manager in Canada, wrote a public letter to Rutherford in 1937, the month he was expelled from the group, claiming that Rutherford had exclusive use of “luxurious” and “expensive” residences (in Brooklyn, Staten Island, Germany, and San Diego), as well as two Cadillacs[211][212][213] and alleged that on more than one occasion he had purchased for Rutherford cases of whiskey, brandy, beer and other liquors, and ‘go from “drink to drink”‘.[214] In July 1939 Olin R. Moyle, legal counsel for the Society, wrote an open letter of resignation to the president, in which he complained about behavior of some members of the Watch Tower Society, including Rutherford himself, that he considered excessive and inappropriate. Moyle mentioned California when discussing “the difference between the accommodations furnished to you, and your personal attendants, compared with those furnished to some of your brethren.” Moyle also accused Rutherford of “unkind treatment of the staff, outbursts of anger, discrimination and vulgar language” and condemned his allowing the “glorification of alcohol” at Bethel.[215][216][217] Penton notes that Moyle was a “teetotaller” and “puritanical”, but claims Rutherford’s drinking habits were “notorious” and cites unnamed former Brooklyn Bethel workers who told of occasional difficulties in getting Rutherford to the podium to give public talks due to inebriation.[218]

              So after he became president of the WTO he separated from his wife. Today in the organization if you are separated from your mate you don’t qualify to have any privileges in the congregation, not even running the mics. Many of the brothers didn’t want him in control of the organization, what did he do to combat this? He said that they were the evil slave and this fulfilled prophecy. He was willing to destroy the lives of others so he could have power and fame, not to mention the wealth that came along with it. The brothers who had a close working relationship with him, and drew to his attention his many faults and issues found themselves on the outs so to speak, disfellowshipped. Olin Moyle was one. Seems as though Rutherford was very unapproachable. It reminds me of today’s GB, power and money corrupt. His interactions with others speak for themselves. This is just a tiny list of the many negative things that he did. I truly can’t see how Jehovah could be pleased with him at all. We are all entitled to our opinions on things. I just wanted to share mine.

            • Yeah, I hear ya dude. I am considered the most vile apostate in America by certain people. So what? Funny how how that stuff just swirls round and round. My advice is to not get caught up in the People Magazine-type of tabloid “truth.”

            • Daisy

              What is truth?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Dictator of Sodom springs to mind KB. He was drunk with power and literally drunk! My friend and JW turned to drink when his marriage to another jw broke up which broke his heart and they broke him with the treatment he received from his congregation, shunned, ostracised by them ones who used to be his friends, ones he himself helped, so one day he hung himself but he was just your rank & file witness. Hope God has mercy on Paul’s soul and remembers him.

            • KB

              I’m sure he will Beverly. Its interesting how your friends will turn their back on you when they think Jehovah is disciplining you through the congregation tribunal. I’ve pretty much had my fill of the congregation bull shit. I’m sure Jehovah is sickened as well. You’re up late, I hope all is well.

            • Beverly kenyon

              You’ll know when you’ve had enough KB. Knowing what you know, I’m amazed you’ve lasted as long as you have! Yeah, I was up late last night! Lol. I’d been to work and it was taking me ages to unwind, I was wide awake and the more I willed myself to nod off the more awake I was! Grrrr. Hope you and Family are okay and just getting on with it KB. X

            • e.v.g

              We do not know if these things are true, but I remember that gedeon from the book of judges he had faith in Jehovah, but he made some strange stuffs too. He had a lot of women and that thing about the ephod. Probably Rutherford served Jehovah for some purpose.

            • Richard Long

              What we do know with absolute certainty is this:

              Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality,*+ uncleanness, brazen conduct,*+ 20 idolatry, spiritism,*+ hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21 envy, drunkenness,+ wild parties,* and things like these.+ I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.+

              And this:

              Galatians 5:22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,* kindness, goodness,+ faith, 23 mildness, self-control.+ Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.+
              25 If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit.+ 26 Let us not become egotistical,+ stirring up competition with one another,+ envying one another.

              Rutherford himself told the entire world how he should be remembered… and promptly disregarded… by his own conduct. For us to even waste our time in consideration of this mans “merits” or “usefulness” to God is folly,is it not?

            • Huldah

              We also “do know” that Beth Sarim existed complete with servants and gardener and this whilw colporters were being asked to live off the pittance they received from selling magazines, often with no guaranteed place to lay their head.
              You’ve begun ruling without us have you?
              And too, we “know”that false prophecies were made of the great glory that would be bestowed on that mansion when the righteous of old were raised to rule from Beth Sarim along with it’s foremost prince.
              Simple, false prophet.
              I’ve reviewed both sides honestly. I have my unshakable conclusion on that man.
              I don’t need to know if he was a drunk or a womanizer, what I know us enough.
              Why is it important at all?
              Because now I proceed with the next step.
              To root out all the lies founded by that man that burdened me so badly for so many years. To bind them up with tape imprinted with the words “apostate lies” and throw them in the fire along with the stinking festering guilt they feed.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Inspiring to hear you’ve taken control back of your lives Huldah. This is what the LORD say: “Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD. Jeremiah17:5. NLT bible.

            • Huldah

              Amazing how we seem to be on the same page today. I was just telling my husband that it will be crucial during the end that we not be just followers of titled men but that we know the real face of Christ and be led by truth so as not to be deceived.

            • Beverly kenyon

              You’ve got heart Huldah and it shines through in how you speak. Please for both your sakes, find and get to know the real face of the Christ, get to know the man who died for all us as the Heavenly Father has entrusted all things to him in Heaven and Earth. It’s as simple as that.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, e.v.g and on the flip side….could he have served someone else’s purpose especially after reading those brilliant scriptures Richard has posted to you. Gideon also had the approval of God where in Judges 6:12 an Angel appears to Gideon informing him God was with him. Also Gideon declines the people request to make him their King recognising God’s rightful sovereignty, resisting pride, not elbowing people out of the way for power. And regarding his ‘women’ his concubine, was lawful but a secondary wife, whose children could not inherit and it’s interesting to note that Gideon’s polygamy came in the setting of his apostasy later in life when not only was he polygamous but also idolatrous. Judges8:24-28. And doesn’t God view sexual immorality as idolatry.

            • Huldah

              It seems to be a pattern for ones to start off humble and lowlyminded as in the case of Saul, Solomon and Gideon. Power corrupts. This could have been the case with Rutherford. Was it Lincoln who said ‘If you want to test a man’s character give him , not adversity, but power. Adversity can be born, but power corrupts.’

            • Beverly kenyon

              Or the flip side could be, Power does not corrupt people; corrupt people abuse their power. Lord Acton, a 19th century British politician said, ‘absolute power corrupts absolutely’. Something like that. And isn’t becoming corrupt by power showing a person’s true character?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              What about Judge Rutherford?.
              Excerpt:
              QUESTION: I have done a lot of research about Judge Rutherford online. I’m well aware that you can’t always believe everything you come across. With that in mind, it seems he had a lot of issues. Over drinking, he didn’t live with his wife for over 20 years while president of WBTS. There is quite a list of things online. I could write a book on the things he’s done wrong, in fact I think someone has. I’m sure you have heard about these things. My question is, how could Jesus have been happy with his service and allow this to happen? He even man-handled the brothers in charge so he could take control and had them called the evil slave. Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/judge-rutherford/

              Read a lot more> Search results for: J.F. Rutherford
              https://e-watchman.com/?s=J.F.+Rutherford+

            • Huldah

              Great questions. I look forward to reading the references tomorrow. It’s disturbing to see that Satan was able to strongarm an influence over the organization so early on, but it appears he did. No surprise as Jehovah has allowed this sort of thing from the beginning mainly to test and refine his true followers. I don’t think there could be a more intense test than betrayal of trust from inside the organization.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Errrrmm, what about YahweH’s witness Huldah. Somehow it hasn’t got a ‘ring’ or ‘zing’ about it. Earnest Bible Student I like! That’s a good one!

            • Huldah

              That’s what everyone here is. 🙂

            • Southern ShaSha

              Hi Beverly. To recognize our creator by His name, Jehovah, in no way, for me at least, puts Jesus in any way on the “back burner.”

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi ShaSha, it’s a beautiful thing to read of your faith and I have no interest whatsoever about what ‘the organisation’ has done as they will answer to the Christ when he comes back with all his Angels and on a personal note I don’t view myself of that group. But while we’re on the subject of names I’ll let the Bible speak for me with following scriptures:

              John5:39-40

              John1:6-8

              Acts4:12

              Acts5:32

              Acts1:8

              Acts13:31

              Acts22:14,15

              Matt17:5

              Much Christian love & peace to you & Family.

            • good scripture;
              Act 4:12 – “Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”

              Jehovah’s “only-begotten son” has a given name and his name in which we have come to know him by represents who Jehovah is. (Heb 1:3) and so who is this Jesus? he was a man that called upon the “name” of God by use of it. he made Jehovah known by name. – John 17:26

              so then, to get “saved” through Jehovah’s son given the name Jesus, meaning *God saves & is salvation*, that obviously involves making God known by use of his name Jehovah also just as Jesus does, which is being Christ-like aka Christian. – 1-Peter 2:21
              Joel 2:32

              to get saved is to draw close to God by his name.
              to use his name is to be known by it.
              to be known by it is to be like Christ.
              to be like Jesus is to be Christian.
              to be Christian is to be like Jehovah.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Post script Shasha, a PS to ‘back burner’. WT 1957 June 15 p.370. ‘It’s is vital that we appreciate & respond to the directions of the slave as we would voice of God, because it is his provision.’

              Russell claimed to be ‘God’s mouth piece. Zion’s WT. 1906. 15 Jul pp.230,234.

              WT 1962 Apr p.215. ‘More than that, for to receive HS, he (a person), must also be in touch with God’s channel of communication.’

              So not content to appoint themselves as the F&DS which is for the Lord, Jesus Christ to do, they’re also saying you can only receive through them and a person has to go through them to communicate with God very much putting Jesus Christ on the back burner! As don’t we have One God and One Mediator the Christ between mankind, Jesus Christ who intercedes for us.

              1Tim 2:5
              Rom 8:34

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Beverly kenyon

              I’m not saying any of those things at all! And I’m not a trinitarian either. Jesus might be viewed as a god but NOT THE God, the Heavenly Father but they would be viewed as one in their unity together. John17:21. So to worship the Son is to worship the Heavenly Father.

            • Bklyn Kevin
            • Richard Long

              Nigel, Isn’t it fair to say such was not always the case with the witnesses? Would you have ever joined if you had foreseen what we have become? I would like to think I would not have.

            • Nigel

              Hello Brother Richard!

              I hope/trust you’re well!

              As far as my connection to the WTS/JWs, I actually grew up in a “JW-family”, spending the best part of 20 years in the Kingdom Hall.

              But I was never actually baptised into their organization so I’ve neither been “disfellowshipped” nor had the need to be baptised in water twice (since the JW manner of baptism would have bothered my conscience).

              I’m very glad I grew up in a JW family as it exposed me to God’s name and forced me to read the Bible, which I hated as a child but love now. But I was never drawn to the JWs on my own; Jehovah saw fit that I grow up in a JW family and even tho’ I’m no part of the WTO, I’m very glad that He did and I’ve no doubt He did it for a good reason.

              “We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose” Rom 8:28

              All the best Brother Richard. Love reading your comments…

            • Richard Long

              Would very much like to have access to your thoughts in a more private setting as this is not the place for the expression of my most disquieting thoughts. If not, I understand, as I know I’m two handfuls of hot mess. If you are willing, you can initiate (rlong9000@gmail.com).

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Food for thought

              Satan keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.
              Excerpt:
              When Jesus was baptized he was immediately led into the wilderness by the holy spirit in order to be tempted by the Devil. And how did Satan try to deceive Jesus? One way was by quoting scripture. Quoting from the 91st Psalm, Satan said: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”

              Being superhuman Satan is undoubtedly more knowledgable of the Bible than any mere human. Having examined its contents from the beginning, he is capable of twisting the truth, but yet presenting it in a way that seems correct. Isn’t that what he tried to do with Jesus?
              Read more>
              https://e-watchman.com/satan-keeps-disguising-himself-as-an-angel-of-light/

            • Nigel

              Hello Brother Kevin. I have attempted to contact you privately (via facebook) to ask you this question but since you haven’t replied I must assume you haven’t seen it, so I must ask you publicly…

              Notwithstanding an ironic placement of your comment by Disqus: were you specifically referring to me when you wrote “Satan keeps disguising himself as an angel of light”?

            • Burt Reynolds

              I don’t think for one minute Kevin was inferring anything of the sort Nigel. I’m only saying this as I know Kevin has poor internet reception at his new home. We judge ourselves, either by our actions or merely by our thinking, and so it is to ourselves and our own motives that we must look. In the end analysis, it matters not what other people think of us, but that which Jehovah sees in us. Let us all go in peace.

            • Nigel

              With all due respect, brother Burt, I asked brother Kevin the question and I would that he answer for himself.

              It would be no minor accusation, if that is what bro Kevin actually implied.

              For the record, however, I can say that I never read anything into his comment at the time; I assumed it was simply ironic placement from Disqus. But having seen the way bro Kevin has seemingly wielded scripture as a weapon against fellow believers here on e-watchman on a number of occasions now, I began to wonder…

              To be sure, I bear bro Kevin no grudge whatsoever. I never have and I never will. I regard him as a dear Christian brother and only wish the very best for him.

              Bro Kevin, assuming you’ll read this comment at some stage, I’ll take this opportunity to give you my email address should you wish to contact me privately (which I would prefer): nodule789 at gmail dot com Thank you.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Just trying to avoid another confrontation. No harm intended.

            • Nigel

              I know. 🙂

          • Burt Reynolds

            I think what is being said is that knowing Jehovah is an issue of faith and in carrying out his commands, such as the respect of blood. I don’t know of any other religion, though there may be, that have a biblical respect for blood. Yet even so, there is more to it than that, such as the earthly kingdom, and the entire gamut of spiritual understanding. Having said that, there is another issue of proclaiming the name of Jehovah and all that it entails, again, something that only the witnesses do. But Jehovah knows these ones who will want to serve him, either in or out of the witnesses. Mankind tends to judge by his own standards and blame it on Jehovah. Some argue about things that are beyond us. Why do we argue about issues we have no answer to, when doing what we are told to do, is so difficult?

            • trudy

              But the GB say its up to you if you have blood fractions and not be df ,I have done a lot of info on blood that how could Jehovah say its ok to have a little part of the blood ,as the blood belongs to JEHOVAH ,I came across this info with my JW friend we were shocked .Its called cognitive dissonance! The control makes it hard as remember Jesus was cast out the temple for questioning ! .Its like bate really you can take blood fractions we wont df you but you take the chance .I can not teach anyone to take it wrong in Jehovah eyes and really not worth a try !

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Trudy, several issues here: the watchtower giving ‘permission’ for taking blood fractions, is not supported by a scriptural understanding, but through a yielding to pressure from public opinion and the risk of law suites. The definition of blood fractions is in itself a maze, because blood is made up of elements (fractions) and it is debated amongst phlebotomists as to how many fractions make up whole blood. The understanding of blood as developed since the command to abstain from it was given in the bible is irrelevant, because Jehovah clearly stated that it is ‘life’ and only he is the giver of life. You could equate the division of blood for use, in these ethical terms, to a ‘little’ adultery, just a kiss, but that in itself is a transgression of the whole law. How are we to know whether it is whole blood that constitutes life, or that just one factor of it, for example red platelets, carry life, or plasma? The simple command is simple in itself. Abstain. So you are absolutely right in your opinion.

              Personally, I feel that you should not take to yourself, the conscience of others in discussing with them, the issue of blood, for the simple reason that it is not your law, and not your conscience. All we are required to do at a minimum, is to reveal the law to the listener. What they do with that, when their understanding is complete is between them and Jehovah. As to being disfellowshipped or not for taking blood fractions, it is not the lack of guidance from the watchtower, or their confusing rhetoric about fractions, or even their abdication of responsibility to the sheep in the matter that you should worry about, but your relationship with Jehovah. How can a liar disfellowship anyone from their relationship with Jehovah? The act of disfellowshipping is is a control element of the watchtower, but they are not the judge. Jehovah is. You are a servant of Jehovah, not the watchtower.

            • trudy

              Hi Burt ,I don’t go to the hall any more ,I am not a watchtower sheep any more ..I always felt controlled not comfy things that were not to do with the bible ,I could not stand the watchtower or what they provided as they keep changing things like a yo yo, I rather read the bible for what it is raw ,,,In 1914 did they have a cross in there worship ? because if so they can not be at the time Jesus in charge in a invisible things ,,Oh I just don’t buy it anyway.He is only coming a 2nd time as we know and he only left holy sprit until the big day..to think I brought this lie ,I feel so silly spreading the lie ,Its like when Moses went up the mountain and only a short time he return and they are doing there own things ,,I think that must be the same again ,what a mess ,,I have to say also the bible says there were many people that no one could count the jw have a things about counting ,time , people etc ..I had a jw sister say we must stay close as there many be direction what to do ..The bible is perfectly clear about these things ,,also when the big days comes we are all alone. I did say to a JW sister that it is like eating vomit the 1975 thing and over lap rubbish from GB she block me ..I was telling the truth ..The sheep are so tossed around ..I felt also being single I was a target ..I was put upon by all by using Jehovah as a tool to there gender .I feel free now and I am sticking to Jehovah best I can with out another control that I feel I just can’t breath and told to swallow lies ,There is enough in the world let alone in the group .The whole JW.ORg on inside halls and out side the image of the watchtower on the Warwick building they are running a museum there I believe, seams to be going off the wrong way .What they trying to prove ? , .As that all it says in the bible you are my witness . ..I think its brought the name of Jehovah in to a commercial enterprise and all the clips its like over cooking to sickly dizzy.. Also a 23 year SERVICE JW who started to ask questions to 19 elders about the dates etc and the ARC that they would not answer anything as some just did not know anything and all they did is is DF him trouble maker .We should all be able to ask questions ,I think Jesus got thrown out for that ..I have a few JW friends who go . .

  • Burt Reynolds

    Where have you got to Jamie Mac?!

    • Richard Long

      Lose you a boffin, Burt?

      • Burt Reynolds

        Yes! I’m boffinless! I discovered the ‘power of Links’ through Jamie!

  • The Raven

    Excerpt: “It is not reasonable that non-Christians are judged for telling lies in the name of Jehovah, and Jehovah is certainly the personification of reasonableness. Only the Watchtower speaks authoritatively in the name of Jehovah. In fact, emblazoned on the cover of every Watchtower magazine for over 80 years appears the phrase: Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.”

    Another strong point for who they are.

  • The Raven

    Excerpt: “Notice please, that the next passage in the prophecy does not say that the false prophets will be destroyed outright. They will be put to death only if they prophesy “again” –during “that day.” Here is what it says verbatim: “And if a man should prophesy again, his father and his mother who caused his birth will say to him, ‘You will not live, because you have spoken lies in the name of Jehovah.’ And his father and his mother who caused his birth will pierce him through because of his prophesying.”

    This clears up some more questions I was going to ask concerning the matters with the fall of the WTO. I was wondering what the line was here for that judgement and when. Thank you Robert, it’s a very good essay and great timing for the discussions several of us have had the past few days.

  • Observing Quietly

    I find your last paragraph confusing. You were talking about the GB then you appear to have switched to talking about “most of the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses”? Are you saying that Elders are part of the slave class and they are the ones getting the “few strokes”? I thought the slave class was anointed ones only? They are not ignorant. Genuine anointed ones hidden in the various congregations may be able to plead ignorance (many of whom are women and old men not allowed any position of authority), but any one who is part of the leadership (Bethel) cannot, in my humble opinion. They know exactly what they have done and how they have soiled Jehovah’s name, hence the name change to JW.Org. They read your articles and have your books, they cannot plead ignorance.

    • Richard Long

      OQ, is this open to anyone or are you just wanting clarification on his own thoughts from Robert specifically?

      • Observing Quietly

        This is open to anyone…I was confused by the last paragraph and any clarification is welcome.

        • Richard Long

          I’ll have to let Robert speak for himself. Let’s talk about the idea of a “slave class” or any “class” that has become the vernacular of the modern JW. Is such an idea born of scripture or just so much WT overreach employed to prop up the lying flimflam that is the false parousia deception and every “teaching” built upon it. Do we imagine we shall be given salvation or not as classes of believers or as individuals.

          Max might be the person to ask, he having served there, but bethel and its satellites are a massive worldwide operation requiring a rigid command and control apparatus. Somewhere near the top tiers of this organizational chart is where one finds the one finds an invisible line separating those “privileged” to know what is really going on now and what is planned for the future from those who earnestly toil to direct the sincere workers doing “God’s work”. In other words, the deluded. Both are “leadership”, so that would include the elders too, would it not. Additionally, Robert has more than once made allowance for “secret believers” even as high up as the GB.

          Until the actual parousia, when the final appointment is given and the faithful and discreet will be individually and unmistakably recognized by all onlookers, the the slaves, both good and evil, of Christ’s household, cannot be known to us unless making public confession of their invitation. The evil slaves do not receive an inferior or defective invitation, do they? They individually choose to behave in such a way that sets them in adverse judgement, do they not?

          I hope the preceeding serves to at least helps to put your question in a lighted frame, so that if you do not answer it yourself, you will be more ready for Robert’s answer.

          Blessings from a fellow searcher.

    • “Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.”

    • The Raven

      Maybe this has to do with the man of lawlessness being the one most responsible for the lies and even some members of the leadership were under the deluding influence and followed. Christ’s brothers also stand for a beating from my understanding. The man of lawlessness is exposed after the one acting as a restraint is removed.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      What about the wheat and weeds in Jesus’ illustration?.
      QUESTION: In your understanding of the wheat and weeds parable at matt 13, does the wheat only represent “anointed” Christians or all Christians?.
      Read more> https://e-watchman.com/wheat-weeds-jesus-illustration/

      Read a lot more>
      Search results for: wheat https://e-watchman.com/?s=wheat

    • Burt Reynolds

      There seems to be a great deal of answers here OQ, and as is usually the case, all well biblically supported. I can only give a personal aspect as (playing with biblical quotations again…) ‘ that which I did know I’ve forgotten and that which I should know, I don’t!’

      On the matter of ignorance that you rightly raise; When I was an active JW, my ignorance was complete, even though it was staring me in the face, had I carried on reading either after or before the quotation. Such was my trust, I naturally assumed that due to the professed honesty, and which I assumed was heartfelt and true, assured and honest, could not be untrue. The actual thought of it being a lie, did not even enter my head….not once over the decades. I believed that what the watchtower said, was true….there it was written in the bible. There it was reflected and developed in the article. My idea of bethel was a place of refuge, a sanctum of love, affection and gentleness; of complete equality and trust, a foretaste of the kingdom. For 46 years I believed that, both in and out of the congregation.

      Obviously my deception was total…or was it? Half of the message is true! Is it not also true that, in my experience at least, the articles written always included a referral to the basic truth, and then was overlaid by the changes (new light) that the watchtower wished to impose. The lie often has an element of truth. Hitler said of propaganda that the more outrageous the lie, the more people would believe it.

      I do not believe that it is the proximity that people have to the lie, that determines their guilt, such as workers at bethel. Honest hearted, simple hearted, people are drawn to Jehovah’s word like moths to a lamp. They trust the word of Jehovah as a child trusts their parent. What child would expect their mother to harm them? We have a duty to check that we are still in the truth, but where is the compunction and the need to do so when you trust in Jehovah, and that you believe that it is his annointed speaking. Do you doubt Jehovah? Me neither. And do we not, or did we not, equate the bethel with the actual word of Jehovah? Irrefutable?

      However, being ignorant did not stop me from recognising the truth when it was reasoned out, and compared, and analysed, inspected, proved in the fire and exposed the lie! And how did I recognise that the truth of the watchtower, such as it was, was less true than the truth I am reading now here, on this site. Who would know that the truth I was reading all those years ago, was indeed the truth, but not the whole truth? How much better can we understand Satan, when we realise he misled us with truth, albeit partial, and so introduced enough elements of truth, to hide his lie within it. Not only are we deceived in truth, but believe in lies. We are decieved first in truth, so that we are decieved fully in the lie.

      Thus it is that perhaps we should leave the judgement with Jehovah who most assuredly, if he finds 10 righteous people in his temple, he will stay his hand so that they can make their choice.

      • i read that with a Mr Miyagi accent. just kidding. i tried but
        didn’t quite pull it off. there i go again with the seriousness part – 1-Tim 2:2
        like moths to a lamp or like fly to chopstick

        • Burt Reynolds

          Ha ha…it doesn’t matter, it’s the reason for attraction that counts! A fly is an important and valued part of creation. ( I don’t know Mr. Miyagi. It must be an American thing that we don’t have in England. Do tell! ).

  • Anonymous-DR

    Thank you Robert. While reading the daily text this morning, I was sure that you would write about it. 😉

  • Easach L S of Coimbatore

    Have anyone of you looked at this weeks TREASURES FROM GOD’S WORD EZEKIEL 32-34 they have played the tricks they made the Bible reading chapter as Ezekiel 32:1-16, but no comments on this but they made the comments on Ezekiel 33:7. If you see the Life and Ministry Meeting Workbook August 2017. It gives the members 4 choices This week I will try to preach to . . .
    • a classmate
    • a coworker
    • an unbelieving family member
    • other:
    But the real thing the Watchman was telling to his own people as Ez:32:1 says: And the word of Jehovah came to me, saying: “Son of man, speak to the sons of your people.

    Were people those who are not Jews are Ezekeils’ people?

    Similarly today’s worldly people cannot be sons of the people of Jehovah. If WTS says that Christendom is like sons of your people in modern days so even the Hindus who worship demons are also sons of your people because what difference is there between the Christendom and Hindus?

    Christendom Worship Trinity = Hindus Worship Trimurthy
    Christendom Worship Mary = Hindus Worship Mariamma (demi goddesses)
    Christendom Worship Christha (Christ) = Hindus Worship Krishana
    Christendom Worship Bala Christha (Infant Jesus) = Hindus Worship Bala Krishan (Infant Krishna)

    So this week I am going to tell that the Ez:33 applies to Jehovah’s witnesses themselves not to the outside worldly people or even Christendom.

    • interesting. at least they got Jeremiah right over a month or so ago.

      let us know what happens!

    • Beverly kenyon

      Pffftt.

      • Easach L S of Coimbatore

        Okay I hear U!

    • Burt Reynolds

      As far as I understand it Easach, the message was simple. Go and preach the word to all. To be sure, there is some plain instruction due to the witnesses, just as there is to opposers of Jehovah in general, but I cannot understand your reasoning here! I think that the tremendous emphasis on various deities in India must be confusing to a lot of Europeans, but it really doesn’t matter who worships what, above that all should pay attention to Jehovah. And that includes preaching to everyone. I didn’t know that the watchtower is coercing people into preaching to named individuals now, such as a co-worker or unbelieving family member, or the mysterious ‘other’. Surely as Jehovah’s servants, the message is to preach to all who would listen, and to shake the dust from our sandals for those who do not. The other thing to do of course, is to use our insight to contact people in the manner which best suites them, and not ourselves. The object is to save the person, and sometimes using another brother or sister to do so is better than doing it ourselves, as with a family member. I cannot get my sister to even reply to me, but I’m sure she would respond to others, if only to argue….stick with the bible Easach.

      • Easach L S of Coimbatore

        I truly respect your views Reynolds that is preaching to everyone. But Ez:32:1 specifically applies to Jehovah’s own people.

        Please have in contact with me easachsidcomagnum@gmail.com.

        The same Basavaraj of North Karnataka is now in Coimbatore with real name Easach of Coimbatore as I live now in Coimbatore in Kovaipudur The “Manchester of South India”.

        After the defeat of original Indian king Tipu Sultan in the Anglo-Mysore Wars, the British East India Company annexed Coimbatore to the Madras Presidency in 1799 by Colonel Arthur Wellesley, the 1st Duke of Wellington. Thus Coimbatore was ruled directly by the Empire.

        It is declared as smart city under the present Indian Prime Minister’s flagship Smart Cities Mission.

        Coimbatore was rated as the safest city in India for women according to National Crime Records Bureau report in 2015. The Child abuse is rare in this city and anyone who does child abuse will be beheaded in the public.

        The city supports Christian community and there are 12 JW congregations in Coimbatore and we can do preaching work freely and people listen because the culture was derived from Old testament and applied to demons. People’s listening, attitude towards Bible will be changed shortly and they may even appose it. The JW congregations in Coimbatore is Pharisaical.

        For more details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coimbatore

    • The Raven

      That’s a very interesting comparison, Easach! I’ve studied this years ago and you reminded me of the similarities between the two. You have your work cut out for you. I pray for you and your wife Jehovah’s blessings in your efforts.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Congratulations to you and the translator for getting your book translated into Dutch Robert. Maybe now is the time to see if there are any bi-lingual Russians out there. They must be wondering at being abandoned by the watchtower!

  • Burt Reynolds

    This is a very clear article and exposé of the facts. From the bible, the words are simple and true, as is the explanation. What mercy is shown: even those deep in the lie will be given the chance of shutting their mouth and repenting….if only they could admit to thier lies and deceptions and humble themselves before Jehovah and expose themselves to the congregations for what they have done. Already, should we look for it, we see Jehovah’s extended hand of love that accounts even for an individual sparrow that falls to earth in love and compassion. Jehovah is indeed the hearer of prayer. It is the true outworking of compassion when one is privileged to see it, as I was yesterday, when acted upon the lowliest of creatures, where suffering is spared and peace is laid before those who are innocent in life and live to praise the creator alone. What more will he do for his people who struggle to emulate that pure love in all things.

  • Craig Knight

    Isaiah 32:14
    International Standard Version
    “For the palace will be abandoned, the noisy city deserted; the citadel and watchtower will become barren wastes forever, the delight of wild donkeys, and a pasture for flocks.

    So Isaiah here seems to predict the fall of the Watchtower! Please note that you have to be an ass to stay in the Watchtower!!! Hey a little humor helps once in a while!

    Here’s a serious question I have been wondering about as Robert says people know something bad is coming so they are storing food and water and other things to survive. Since we know what rioting in the streets looks like when food runs out. Wouldn’t it be prudent for a Christian to store some emergency supplies in a safe place? The Great Tribulation lasts 3 1/2 years and the 8th King rules for 1 hour. If we can’t buy or sell then maybe having a stash isn’t such a bad idea. I need guidance on this point.

    • The Raven

      Here’s what Robert wrote on the matter. I agree that making some sort of preparations for eventualities is wise. I’ve been through blackouts and riots through my life and seen needless suffering after hurricanes for lack of preparedness. I do what I can with what I have. You never know who we may be joined by or may be able to help. I don’t know about the full 3 + years but the initial war and collapse is something we may be able to mitigate with a few supplies.

      https://e-watchman.com/to-prepare-or-not-to-prepare/

      • Craig Knight

        Raven – I didn’t know Robert addressed this issue. That article is great! I saved it on my computer as usual. What He said is exactly how I feel. We can be wise and be ready because a ton of people are blind to what’s coming. So being prepared will help us and our loved ones and friends that we can reach out to. The Jews during the 70 destruction thought their gold would protect them but the Romans caught those who tried to escape. Some got away with it but the Romans quickly figured out what they were up to and after that any Jews who tried to flee after swallowing their gold were gutted by the Romans.If you haven’t read Josephs’ account it’s really quite a shocking story of what the Jews suffered at the hand of the Romans. So relying only on gold for salvation is foolish but being prepared is wise. Thanks for sharing that article.

        • The Raven

          I remember this discussion on that very same article a short while ago. My comments are there as well. Anytime you have questions you can go to the search bar and type in for instance :
          prepare
          https://e-watchman.com/?s=prepare

          Kevin showed me how to look for essays and commentary and I’ve been digging around ever since. I get lost in there sometimes there is so much great insight from Robert and some of the comments are informative as well.

          • Craig Knight

            Yeah I usually do a search but for some reason I didn’t think He dealt with this. I do search’s and get all kinds of great info. I have been playing Robert’s past video’s to my business partner as a great tool of making disciples. So far my partner loves what she is learning. I felt I couldn’t preach before because I didn’t want to teach lies. But now that we have much more clarity I love talking to people about Jehovah’s purpose. So we still can make disciples but we have to think outside the box.

            Cheers!

            • The Raven

              Man, I’m so glad to know that! I felt the same way and stuck to the basic truths. Finding this site was great! I now had a clear and very good overview of prophecy that well fits the times and scripture. That made it easier for me to offer some explanation I could not before. It makes me happy to know there are folks out there putting Robert’s work to good use .
              Thank you Craig!

            • Craig Knight

              I always loved teaching the Bible to people. Now I feel free and happy to do so. Some guy stopped me a few days ago when I was coming out of a market and tried to get me to donate to help the poor and homeless. I told him that Jehovah will straighten out this world soon. He didn’t say much but maybe a seed was planted. WTO does not have a monopoly on God’s name or truth.

            • The Raven

              Well, I’m one of those that donate and I sometimes pay it forward in the drive through. This town is that way. They’ve done it for me at times. 🙂
              Continue teaching the truth about Jehovah and Christ and it’s always heartening to know that whether we are inside or outside we can be assured Jehovah knows His own.

            • Craig Knight

              Well said Raven!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. Wonder why that guy didn’t say much? Errmmm.

            • Craig Knight

              He probably didn’t want to fall into my trap and have me preaching at him for an hour. It was kinda funny! He’d probably rather talk about baseball or something.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Oh, yeah…he was collecting for the poor & homeless and most probably wanted to chat…I get it…..poor & homeless.

  • Lev

    Peace to you, brothers and sisters of sunny Spain! Finally, you have waited for the heroes-elders: Boytsov Denis and Borovkov Ivan! For 20 years they courageously taught Russian brothers and sisters to “flee” their distance with pedestrians. They called themselves “shelter from heat and rain”. They wanted to compete with “horses” (Jer. 12: 5). But they themselves ran forward “horses”, leaving their “sheep” to cruel “mercenaries”! Be proud, Spain! , But know that these “shepherds” appointed by Jehovah and the Holy Spirit will throw you, because their destination is Warwick (Jerusalem (Sodom (Gomorrah))) Is it only a refuge where from Jehovah?

    • Beverly kenyon

      Lev, those two were running with footmen, running when the conditions were good, but when things got tough they couldn’t handle the tough times running with horses. You keep running with horses Lev, times are tough but it’s going to get worse so pray for strength to sustain you to keep running with horses. Those two can’t contend with ‘horses’. Lightweights.

      • Lev

        Hello Beverly! They run because they could not “create a worthy fruit of repentance” (Mt. 3: 7b, 8) and are not particularly afraid of the Lord Christ, because they did not recognize God in him (Matt. 3: 10-12)

        • Beverly kenyon

          Beautiful Lev and so true. You keep running with horses Lev.

          Much Christian Love to you. X

  • trudy

    What date is this the above picture 1914 ? Because I don’t think Jehovah can allow a group to have a Babylon cross and preach about him in his name ,this would be double standards ,As even the catholic church have Jehovah in it ..in some of there old buildings and they were not working for Jehovah .

  • Sharon

    I don’t think that any of those brothers in a position of leadership as you call them are acting out of ignorance,not one,not even brother lett.They are all cunning and deliberate in their deception of Jehovahs Organization.They are the only Christian organization on the planet that are not awaiting the return of our glorious Lord Jesus.My entire family is all still under this entire delusion,and everyone of them would literally bet their lives right now that there will be no future world war.I pray every day that these 8million of my brothers and sisters will awaken to this evil cult.

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