Woe to the shepherds who are feeders of themselves

//Woe to the shepherds who are feeders of themselves

Wednesday, October 11

One man was there who had been sick for 38 years.—John 5:5.

Just north of the temple at Jerusalem was a pool known as Bethzatha. Large crowds of sick and infirm people would gather there, hoping that they would be miraculously cured. Moved with pity, Jesus approached a man who had been sick longer than Jesus had been alive on earth.  Jesus inquired if he wanted to get well. The response was immediate. The man wanted to be healed but he could not see how, for he had no one to help him into the pool. Jesus then commanded the man to do the impossible—to pick up his mat and walk. Taking Jesus at his word, the man picked up his mat and began to walk. What a heartwarming foregleam of what Jesus will do in the new world! In this miracle, we also see Jesus’ compassion. He sought out the needy. Jesus’ example should motivate us to continue to seek out people in our territory who are depressed about the terrible things happening in this world.

 

How odd that Bethel would exhort Jehovah’s Witnesses to search out people who might be depressed over the horrible things happening in the world, when JW’s are leaving the congregations in droves due to the depressing state of affairs within the organization. How much better it would be if the kings and princes residing at One Kings Drive at Warwick were to humbly address the underlying reason for this exodus. Obviously, that would require a measure of candor and humility that the Bethel leadership simply does not possess.

The sad truth is, the Watchtower Corporation is not really interested in individuals. Like any worldly corporation, the Watchtower views people as expendable and replaceable. So what if hundreds of thousands have fallen by the wayside? Just push the publishers and pioneers to get out there and make some more disciples. Then train the learners to get out there and do the same.

Unfortunately, for them anyway, Jehovah and Christ do not view people like mere cogs in a machine. As the text shows, Christ genuinely cared for individuals. He used his power to help them. He used his time to instruct and guide any and all. Jesus also trained men to carry on his work. His parting words to one of his closest apostles were: “Feed my little sheep.”

While the Governing Body boasts of feeding the many through the hands of a few, do they really appreciate that the sheep belong to the Great Shepherd and not them? It would not appear so. Jesus said the true shepherd will leave the flock in search of the one lost lamb. True, a few years ago the Watchtower published a brochure in a lame attempt to call the lost sheep to Return to Jehovah; but without acknowledging their responsibility in stumbling so many of those who no longer wish to be Jehovah’s Witnesses, their appeal to return is hollow and vain.

It is most telling that back in 2004 I wrote an open letter to the Watchtower imploring them to say they were sorry for betraying Jehovah’s Witnesses. Apparently, it was too much to ask of them. Their response was to call upon my elders to deal with me, which they did. And in the meanwhile over the 13 years since then the Governing Body have presided over an organization that has surely lost over a million of Christ’s sheep. While the losses may not be reflected in the published numbers due to the many children of Jehovah’s Witnesses who are baptized every year and people mostly in less developed countries that become Jehovah’s Witnesses, the numbers who are fading and exiting the congregations in the United States and Europe are swelling. Take Denmark for example. Since 1991, when the eye of Horus congress hall was built, there were 16,000+ JWs in Denmark. As of last year, after thousands of hours preaching and placing tons of literature with the public, there are some 14,000 publishers. And as is typical of the Watchtower, though, they blame the lost sheep for their lack of spirituality. No doubt it has never occurred to them that Jehovah has withdrawn his support.

Ultimately, Christ will call them to account for the utter abandonment of his sheep. This will occur in the future when the world is engulfed in war —a war the princes of Bethel have assured Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot happen. But the scattering of the worldwide flock is a certainty —written in the stone of God’s word. Here is what Jehovah has said: “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy, and say to the shepherds, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Woe to the shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Is it not the flock that the shepherds should feed? You eat the fat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, and you slaughter the fattest animal, but you do not feed the flock.You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bandaged the injured or brought back the strays or looked for the lost; rather, you have ruled them with harshness and tyranny. So they were scattered because there was no shepherd; they were scattered and became food for every wild beast of the field. My sheep were straying on all the mountains and on every high hill; my sheep were scattered over all the surface of the earth, with no one searching for them or seeking to find them.”

When the Warwick project was first announced I did not expect the project to be completed, but now that it has been this past weekend’s dedication extravaganza has merely confirmed that the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses have become feeders of themselves. At the same time they were praising heaven for their glorious new headquarters they announced the suspension of the publication of the YearBook and the diminishment of the public’s already watered-down Watchtower to three times a year. Why even bother publishing it? If the Watchtower is food at the proper time, what is the message sent –other than that they are cutting back on the food rations for the skinned sheep in Satan’s world in order to fatten their bottom line? Too bad for them  that they imagine Jehovah is honored by their obscene, gleaming granite temple. It would be much better for them to live in a tent and seek to save the lost and battered sheep who have been sickened by the Watchtower’s grotesque hypocrisy.

As it stands, with the drums of war beating louder and louder everyday, it is evident that Jehovah is marshaling his great military force to administer his punishment. Just as Jehovah used Babylon to execute his judgments against apostate Judah, the nations are aligning against America, which just so happens to be the home of the Watchtower’s world headquarters. Surely, the end result for the Watchtower organization will be the same as befell Judah in the days of his watchman, Ezekiel.

“Look! I will bring a sword against you, and I will destroy your high places. Your altars will be demolished, your incense stands will be broken, and I will throw your slain ones down before your disgusting idols. I will throw the carcasses of the people of Israel before their disgusting idols, and I will scatter your bones all around your altars. In all the places where you dwell, the cities will be devastated and the high places will be demolished and will lie devastated. Your altars will be demolished and shattered, your disgusting idols will perish, your incense stands will be cut down, and your works will be wiped out. And those slain will fall in your midst, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.” —Ezekiel 6

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2017-10-11T16:46:10+00:00 October 11th, 2017|Commentary|214 Comments
  • The voice

    Very fitting picture Robert. Knowing the turmoil that is soon to come upon us what preparations do you suggest. Aside from Relying and prayers to Jehovah

    • https://e-watchman.com/to-prepare-or-not-to-prepare/

      IMO, if you can afford it and have a home to place them in, look through those week/month food buckets/boxes. but not getting too many you waste leaving behind if you need to leave. there are many out there to see what deals you find. some good some not that great and some to avoid. imo avoid ones with too much bead-like food. cant servive on macaroni with cheese powder. but im sure many whos faith is in Jehovah will be feed like those recored for us to know in scripture. Elijah and the birds and widow with jars that didnt run out. the bread and fish Jesus supplied when he walked along side his people and apostles

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Full form of IMO?

        • Richard Long

          In My Opinion

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        Exactly

      • Beverly kenyon

        ‘Be gracious to me, O God, be gracious to me. For my soul takes refuge in you and in the shadow of Your wings I will take refuge until destruction passes by. Psalm 57:1 NAS

        ‘Because you have kept the word of my perseverance, I will also keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole earth, to test those who dwell on the earth’. Revelation 3:10 NASB.

        • into the light

          ❤️

          • Beverly kenyon

            ‘Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.” Matthew 4:4 NIV

            ‘When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my hearts delight, for I bear your name, LORD God Almighty’. Jeremiah 15:16. NIV

            The coming Judgement and Tribulation is about the SANCTIFICATION of God’s Great Name and for Christians to sing praises to the Heavenly Father. Jesus has made a promise that he will keep ‘YOU’ from the hour of testing which is about to come upon the whole earth, so save your money on prepping and build up your Faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ instead. Rev3:10.

            ‘But don’t be so concerned about perishable things like food. Spend your energy seeking the eternal life the Son of Man can give you. For God the Father has given me the seal of approval’. John 6:27. NLT

            ‘Help us, God our Savior, for the glory of your name; deliver us and forgive our sins for your name’s sake’. Psalm 79:9. NIV.

            ‘Be glad in the LORD, you righteous ones, And give thanks to His Holy Name’. Psalms 97:12. NASB.

            • into the light

              That’s my view. Thanks for these scriptures! I’ve tried to reason that our faith and reliance on Jehovah will save us even when everything else fails. The scriptures you shared are very upbuilding and help us remember important things.

    • Like Dr M said, a month or so of non-perishable food. And if you have money in the bank a little cash on hand would probably come in handy. When the financial system goes I expect it to be an overnight flash crash. One day the banking system will just not exist. You’ll go to a cash machine and it will say NO SERVICE. But cash may still be usable after the collapse, at least for a short while.

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        We just went through this during Irma..We lost absolutely everything but the clothes on our back, my violin which the neighbors would probably have wished otherwise !!!! It’s just great tribulation practice….The great thing is Ebay has all the WT publications for a price..I just replaced the research books like the concordance and the like….power gone no atms, no fresh water..my boat was stocked with all kinds of food, Jehovah has looked out for us, though and everyone is safe.

      • The voice

        Do you think this crypto currency will play a role when the 8th king emerges

    • into the light

      I guess having a network of support beats any kind of food preparation, since you might find yourself in a situation like many did during the wars, or other disasters where they had to run away with only what clothes they had on themselves.

      • It is better to have options though, don’t you think?

        • into the light

          I certainly agree with you. Options are always good. But as someone who has seen war, I wouldn’t count on those options as much as I would on a supporting network. And acquiring the actual survival skills. Especially so as we’re in expectation of the worst calamity that has ever been.

          edit:
          The worst thing about any kind of calamity where survival becomes questionable is people turning into beasts, law is no more, and everything is madness in general.

          • sally

            Yes that would be about right. You only have to look at what happens at a new year sale or black friday. People turn absolutely demonic. And that’s just to get a new tv at half price.

            • into the light

              Exactly! Now imagine not having any running water or electricity for months, no infrastructure and ways to communicate. It spirals out of control pretty quickly, especially in the large cities.

            • If you can imagine not having running water, why not have a few barrels of water in reserve? Rain barrels are cheap. So is rain.

            • into the light

              I don’t have to imagine it. I had first-hand experience. But having said that, what about people who live in the areas that don’t get much rain for example? Or where soil is polluted as the case is during the wars, where gunpowder and explosives and other radioactive stuff they throw at people pollute? What about places where people go and rob those who work to sustain themselves because it’s easier than actually taking care of all those things?
              I mean, there are a lot of factors to consider. It’s not like movies… And the initial shock is probably the worst.

            • sally

              I know someone who is a “prepper”. He reckons to have 3 burial sites of stuff which he could only pinpoint with his compass. He also showed me a flask he has with a charcoal filter that purifys water…any water to make it drinkable up to 100 gallons. I am going to get a couple as they are not hugely expensive (he said 30 british pounds) because I think ensuring having drinkable water is sensible.

            • The voice

              What type of filter? Where can you purchase it

            • The Raven

              I have a couple that work pretty well. Look up LifeStraw on Amazon. They have a good assortment and good prices too. The personal water filter is very popular.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Hello The Voice. I have set aside several LifeStraws as well. Some were $20.00. On sale, the rest were $24.00. I purchased mine at our local sporting goods store. Good for up to I believe 240 gallons each. You can use it alone or attach to a regular water bottle. Some have a kind of gravity flow bag you can use as well.

            • Southern ShaSha

              The Voice, the article Robert shared on “To prepare or not to prepare” helped me to find balance. I no longer feel by being prepared is having a lack of faith. We know for sure no amount of physical belongings will make a difference other than providing a bit of relief to those around us, for a time perhaps. We know as well that faith, love, hope and reliance on the promise of Jehovah, and the loving sacrifice our savior Christ Jesus made is our hope whether or not we experience the Kingdom or the blessing of the resurrection in it’s due time. Who knows by helping our brothers, Christs brothers, our neighbor we may play a part in others grabbing hold of the blessing as well. Jesus both spiritually and physically fed and cared for others, strangers in order for them to believe and have hope! Do our best to build on our own faith always, helping others to gain knowledge and faith as well. A great crowd.

            • into the light

              I know it was intended for The Voice but thanks for this comforting comment! It really radiates with Christian spirit! 🙌

            • The Raven

              Wonderful comment, ShaSha! You truly have love for Jehovah, the Christ and our fellow man. It is evident that holy spirit is working in many at present even in the midst of so much bad. Good to see you! 😊

            • sally

              Well the guy I know got his from a camping shop near to where I live, but I looked on amazon for one and found this one which is the same as he showed me. There is quite a lot to choose from. This is UK amazon but I am sure that you will find the same and more anywhere else.
              https://www.amazon.co.uk/2017-Explorer-water-filter-bottle/dp/B0027DEFSQ?tag=ukpreppersguidewaterfilter-21

            • into the light

              “Prepperism” is a short term solution. Eventually you run out of supplies. I think learning how to grow and source your own food is one of top skills to have.
              Necessity is mother of invention. I just love how humans are creative and how our ingenuity kicks in in times of distress. When we put our faith in our father we are at advantage because fear is not taking us hostage.

            • People have a built-in survival instinct. It’s the fight or flight impulse that Jehovah implanted in virtually every creature on earth. That being true, if people know a storm is coming, they prepare. They do something to at least minimally protect themselves and their loved ones. While there is no substitute for faith in the salvation of Christ, I do not advise people to sit and wait for God to save them. I think that is irresponsible.

            • into the light

              Of course, not only would that be irresponsible but stupid.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Sounds reasonable I must admit!

            • into the light

              Now I don’t want to come across contradicting to you. I don’t know what or how it will play out during that time. I am just trying to incite thinking of a bigger picture. We can’t be sure of anything that future will bring for us personally. As you say, being prepared is better than not being prepared.

            • You are thinking of you. In my mind having provisions set aside is for others.

            • into the light

              I actually don’t. I am just speaking from my experience. And my experience is that people need other people. That’s why I said it’s crucial to have a support network. Everyone is “a node” in the network and provides for others as well for themselves.

            • Okay. Sure. Support networks are good too.

            • The Raven

              That’s smart. Kinda like my neighbors. Bunch of crazy country boys and girls but they watch out and help each other after storms.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I never thought of that. How insular I have become!

            • trudy

              That’s funny same feeling I got in the last few days ..I feel calm .I feel happy ..any one eles feels that?

            • Burt Reynolds

              I means inward looking Trudy, which I am sure you are not. I was not considering the needs of others in terms of provision. Easy to do when one is retired and not meeting people. At least I spent most of my career in the care industry so maybe I’ll get forgiven.

          • Sure. I expect people to turn into beasts. Scriptures say so. Besides, we’re half way there already. I don’t count on anything physical, though. But, at the same time being prepared is better than not being prepared. Scriptures say so.

            • into the light

              I agree with you. We also have to be aware that our expectations are not always how things are actually. I knew a lot of people who prepared for war by stockpiling food and supplies only to lose everything and run with their dear lives and other people taking what they stockpiled. What did they have to rely on in the end? Their friends, family and the knowledge on how to produce food and necessities. Similar thing happened to Christians in 1st century when they had to run away from roman forces.

              Ultimately, reliance on Jehovah will play the most important part. We should learn from brothers who are presently enduring calamities all over the world.

            • The Raven

              Here’s the thing I keep in mind about this. No one really knows how war will come about for certain or which places will be targeted. Doesn’t matter since it will be like nothing we have ever seen before. The odds are the majority can survive a limited nuclear exchange. You know what will eventually kill most folks? Lack of knowledge and preparations. Even minimal supplies and a manual on what to do can be the difference between life and death or at the least ease some suffering among our fellow man. BTW, that war can and will claim lives across the board. Including JWs. Those victims go to the grave not Gehenna. It is cut short for the sake of the elect which must be here til the end, Armageddon.

              I have neighbors that are agnostics, born again Jesus worshipers, pagans etc and all of them have some supplies on hand since they see where this is going. Many are ex military and have lots of experience with these sorts of things but even they admit WWIII is a whole different ballgame.
              Now… once the beast rules, all bets are off. We won’t be able to support ourselves in that time apparently, unless we take the mark. Then, we see what’s what and how much faith we really have. Judgment will have begun with the ascension of that beast.

            • into the light

              Doesn’t matter since it will be like nothing we have ever seen before.

              This is why I feel reliance and faith in Jehovah will play the most important role. And especially since the mark of the beast will prevent us from dealing in the way that we are used to.
              I would add to this Jer. 10:23

            • The Raven

              But ww3 is basically a man made demonically driven disaster and everyone knows it’s coming. It is not Armageddon. Sure trust Jehovah but prepare since we have been warned. Those of us who can, should. Who knows, the very ones you help may be Christ’s brothers or future fellow subjects of the kingdom. Or jehovah may lead us to those who can help. I’m not ruling anything out at this point. 😊

            • into the light

              You see how in the end whatever vantage point you look at this from, it always points to reliance on Jehovah? 😊

            • The Raven

              That and the brains he gave us to figure it out. Choices, man. Some folks will sit on their hands and expect it all to come their way with no effort on their parts. I dont know if thats faith or laziness or what? It sort of reminds me of the attitude among witnesses who believe the society will be their sanctuary when it all comes apart.

            • into the light

              Of course. I’m not expecting that help will fall into my lap without any move on my part. Reliance on Jehovah is trusting that any idea you have and effort you make at surviving and helping others will be backed by Jehovah.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I don’t know about that! Is faith having it fall into your lap? I am split between the two issues. The bible says to be prepared. It also says to trust in Jehovah. The whinging Israelites were given manna. The did not ask Jehovah, but moaned at Moses. ‘ have you brought us out here to starve? We were better off in Egypt. ‘ We have to show reliance on Jehovah.

              Well, what’s it to be? Prepare and partially please him, or not prepare and put faith in that he will provide? Jehovah says he will provide for his people so why put off that day when we must, inevitably, put our faith in him to provide for us? Is it an act of faith to go into the tribulation spiritually prepared, or physically prepared? Jehovah is not going to provide for us spiritually….we have to stand alone. The scriptures say that the one standing on his roof should not come down to collect his things. So where does that leave him? Are we to take it that we prepare, but prepare to leave those preparations behind, or to prepare the preparations to take with us so that we have them with us at all times before hand. It does seem stupid not to prepare, but is that because we are human and pretend to have faith but are too weak to leave it with Jehovah? What happens when it all runs out? We are still in the same boat as though we had prepared nothing! Are we then reckless for not preparing enough? I think I will try to avoid going up to the roof of my house. At least I won’t get caught out that way and neither have I a field in which to be working and, yes, I have already decided not to get pregnant.

            • into the light

              Hi Burt, my argument all along has been that it is ultimately the best thing when we put our faith in Jehovah. If you see my exchange with bro. Robert, I have said exact same thing. Preparations do run out eventually. But as he said, it would be irresponsible not to prepare. We have to make the effort and not sit on our hands as Raven said. I like this quote: “Don’t ask god to direct your step if you’re not willing to move your feet”. But sometimes we find ourselves in unexpected situations and all the preparations need to be left behind as we run for our lives.
              Ultimately, and however you look at it, it all comes down to our faith and trust that Jehovah will provide for us. There is plenty of proof for that in the scriptures. I have experienced this first-hand also and I guarantee that Jehovah will never disappoint those that trust in him. After all he knows us better than we know ourselves.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ok Light, I’ll get my ‘go bag’ ready. You win. I would love to see my sister’s go bag that has been by her door for about ten years now. Her can of beans will be out of date. So much for the whims of the governing body. I think they were a little previous with that one.

            • into the light

              Burt, I’m not sure I understood what you mean by “you win”. I’m beign a lttle thick atm. I’m not even sure what y’all are taking from my comments. Maybe it’s better to just be silent… 😒

            • Burt Reynolds

              Sorry Light. I take your comments seriously. What I mean by ‘you win’ is simply that I concede the point you are making. In other words, having read your opinion about prepping, along with everyone else’s, especially about having a provision for others, I am happy to change my mind and put a little by for others, if not myself….but probably both.

            • into the light

              I am looking at this as an exchange of ideas. I really wasn’t trying to impose anything on anyone so there really is no need to concede. I’m here to learn too and I’m not challenging anyone’s knowledge either as some seem to think… it’s not about who is more right…
              Now I am not a proponent of “prepperism” per se although it does have its merits. I think it is far more valuable to have a “support network”. Or a circle of close friends, family or Christian brothers. I’m thinking something like early Christians. Or brothers in Russia atm. I think they can rely on each other no matter what. They have truth, love for god and common goal which unites them. Psalm 133:1
              Contempt for WT aside, I think it’s good time to seek and gain some good hearted brothers and sisters as we are nearing the GT and the end of this system. Truth will prevail anyway.

              /end of ramble 😁

            • Burt Reynolds

              You are quite right in all that you say brother. By the way, to concede is simply to agree a point not previously held. It is not a question of being made to comply. We have to let others bring points to the table for consideration and debate like the Boreans who also conceded the issues made by Paul. So quit worrying! It’s a part of learning.

            • The Raven

              That’s also a good way to look at it. We know this will be far more catastrophic than anything we’ve seen before. That alone makes having a good measure of faith necessary. He did promise us he would help us along so I beleive whatever we do to help each other will be seen favorably by him whether it be meeting physical needs as Christ said or simply words of comfort and encouragement in our darkest hours.

            • The Raven

              My bottom line here is that we have been warned for a very long time that mankind will launch a war that will decimate humanity. I will prepare for that day as I do for hurricanes that barrel up through the gulf at us. I also pray that it won’t be that bad and Jehovah protect my family and friends and neighbors. That’s the best I can do.

            • If you imagine I am promoting prepperism over faith in Jehovah you are missing the point of this site. I really don’t know what to say, other than I wish you well.

            • into the light

              Not at all. I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. All I am saying is reliance is key. Same as Jesus said when he told us not to worry and prepare what we are going to say to authorities when the trials start. He will provide help by means of holy spirit.
              On the other hand I have a feeling that you see me as promoting laziness and irresponsibilty when I say rely on Jehovah. I said I agree with you that we need to be prepared. But experience has taught me that sometimes no amount of preparation can help us, because sometimes unexpected things happen, but reliance in Jehovah’s leadership will never fail.

            • The Raven

              I think we’re talking two different things here. Two different times. The situation during and after ww3 and the situation once the beast arises are very different. One is a man made mess. The other is the time of judgment. Of course faith will help and always keep jehovah in mind, but do what you can with what you have as well. It will be a clear demonstration of love for our fellow man to help or share what we have. Didnt Christ say that? Those who cannot do much may be helped along by those who can. I don’t expect physical miracles like manna from heaven. I think it will be more along the lines of spirit led folks who help each other. I dont think we disagree about this, we’re just looking at it from different angles.

            • tortas

              as someone who has gone through several hurricane devastations in Houston, prepping is a good idea, however my thoughts are how much prepping….during tribulations sometimes being too prepped can make you an easy target for looters and criminal elements; just a thought i wrestle with

            • into the light

              I read your comment again and I think I see why you said that. Maybe it’s my tone that comes across as argumentative.
              In the end I agree with Raven because, as he says, we’re looking at the same thing from different angles.

  • i think we should all write a letter to the Watchtower thanking them for all those quick-build soup-kitchens they’ve placed around the world setting a better example then the YMCA and the like

    • Max

      LOL

  • Richard Long

    “No doubt it has never occurred to them that Jehovah has withdrawn his support.”

    Or, possibly it has, and what all corporations do has been done. A new, less reputable backer has been acquired, and at usurious cost.

  • “Just push the publishers and pioneers to get out there and make some more disciples. Then train the learners to get out there and do the same.”

    that reminds me of how schools scam kids into selling candy bars.

    its a shame that the WT & Awake magazines are drying up
    to a trickle a year now. they were by far the best tool to help people appreciate the scriptures and such.
    well whats in the few magazines will get thoroughly reviewed using the same ones more often out in the field. lets hope its mostely the truth in them. looks like Robert will be doing less WT magazine reviews too ha

    • into the light

      Not all hope is lost, though. There have been situations like this before where publishing slowed, only to pick up later. Maybe they are doing it to recuperate expenses they acquired by building the HQ. In any case there are plenty of publications in archives and the WOL library which we can use.

      • LOL

      • Max

        Publishing has never slowed down to this magnitude before. What is happening now is unprecedented. Keep in mind that it’s now because of the closeness of the great tribulation when our brothers and sisters needed guidance the most. The shepherds who suppose to be the holder of the light and spiritual food during this darkest hours are leaving the sheeps of the King in a twilight zone and on ration food. Also do not expect for the publishing to pick up later on either because we are going straight into the great tribulation and the fact that the organization is going apostate, elders whom protected the sheeps during sexual abuse cases where disfellowshiped for not protecting the WT instead and that the publishing is starting to dry out all these and more are proves that the end is closer than ever before

        • The Raven

          This reminds me of what you said about the letters the anointed mailed to Bethel and were ignored. Could be just another facet of removing the voice of the remaining wheat among them. You get the feeling the restraint is slowly being removed? “Into the light’and I were discussing this just yesterday. Do you think since the GB no longer controls the org ,( as Robert put it they are as window dressing) that this could also be a sign of the nearness of the hour?

          • Max

            Yes, definitely! We have two separate organizations here the WT that is the corporation that works as a money making enterprise of the JW and the religious part made up by the GB the anointed and the sheeps. It is obvious that the WT corporation has been controlling the GB for awhile now and that the GB have let themselves to be seduced by it.

            • The Raven

              Then I agree there isn’t much time left as we see things going in reverse. They handed over to foreigners their responsibilities for the sheep. Notice how the increase in numbers of emblem partakers seems to coincide with the degradation of the wt? I find that very strange. Almost as if Jehovah is pulling more in before it begins.

            • The Raven

              I would have thought that number would also be diminishing as it did after the old crowd passed away. But that’s not what happened and I wonder why that is. When Robert wrote that article about the eleventh hour workers I had not connected it with an increase. But that may also be an indicator that the ranks of Christ’s brothers are being brought to their full numbers also.

            • Max

              You know I’ve been asking myself the same question about the increase in the number of anointed ones. I always thought it would have to be a decrease in the number of anointed. Brother King said that there will be 7000 left during the great tribulation and 7000 seems to me not that many out of 144000 for us to see a noticeable increase in the emblems takers.

            • The Raven

              There were 18,000 last year, I think. But those are WT numbers and apparently they don’t like that. Makes me wonder what’s going on. One thing they cannot control and that is Jehovah”s Holy spirit. There will be no more year book after this year, if I am correct . Are they still going to publish the number? It’s got to be puzzling for them as well and something else to consider; since they had a bad reaction to newly anointed members and basically called them presumptuous we know that not all those called have been partaking. That alone would have seen a further reduction in numbers but no. A huge increase occurs. I do not believe that those who are newly anointed are exactly in line with what the WT has stated about the matter. How could they be when the very house you come from eyes you with suspicion or questions your calling. I doubt we will know what really is at work here. I lean towards Jehovah’s spirit calling them, IMO. How the WT sees it, who knows. That 7,000 number will only become evident during tribulation.
              Between now and when Christ comes alongside a lot can happen. Some of these 18,000 may die before that point. Scripture says that the days are shortened lest all flesh perish and for the sake of the elect.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I wonder Raven if the day the governing body promoted themselves to being ‘spirit guided’ and set a place for themselves at the top table, that they set the beginning of their end in process. Ezekiel chapter 38 verse four reads: I will turn you around and put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army…’ This being spoken to Ezekiel by Jehovah to set his face against Gog of Magog. I have no idea of the context of this scripture so it may not figure in this at all, but I just recall it from my attendance days when the scripture was used to illustrate that Satan will be drawn out, as with hooks in the jaw, to face the justice of Jehovah. It’s difficult not to move forward when hooks are in your jaws! And certainly, the GB seem to be being drawn irresistibly toward their demise and exposure. Nothing they do anymore works out the way they planned it to.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              The virgins invited to this wedding, some were ready and the others weren’t. The groom rejected them.That shows that just because they call the themselves anointed, doesn’t mean they are…only Jehovah knows the real anointed..So you can’t Really believe the head count from the society…We knew a sister in California that went into rest home. She refused the emblems in her ninety’s because she no longer had recollection…

            • Burt Reynolds

              I hope I don’t reach a stage where I can’t remember what wine is! Poor thing.

            • The Raven

              I think the rope we discussed a while back is a more accurate view. They’ve taken quite a length of it haven’t they? Amazing.
              I looked up Ezekiel 38 and I remembered some of it but it’s been so long that I wanted to be sure and I found this:

              https://e-watchman.com/attack-gog-land-magog/

              Excerpt:
              But why does Ezekiel 38:3 state that God will put hooks in Gog’s jaws and turn him around so that he attacks Israel?

              The hooks in his mouth indicate that Satan will be presented with an irresistible target. What is that? The regathered people of God represent the sealed chosen ones and the great crowd. Everyone else at that time will not have their names written in the book of life. There will be no undecideds then. Just those who are in the Kingdom and those who have been excluded.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thanks. That clarifies things.

        • Beverly kenyon

          Wow. Max, forgive me saying so, but here’s me thinking that the Messiah, Lord, Jesus Christ was coming back to judge the WHOLE world and not just 8 million or so people.

          ‘For he has set a day when he will judge the WORLD with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead’. Acts 17:31 NIV.

          • Max

            Yes Beverly you are right! Did I miss something?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry if I misspoke Max, but I think a lot more is involved than the ‘publishing’ drying out is proof that the end is closer than ever before! I think the the proof lies in the horrors going on in the world and the war drums becoming a deafening sound. The ‘publishing’ of the publishing company known as WTS isn’t even a bleep in the scheme of things God has planned for mankind.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think you are right to question all things Beverly. I do. I’m all over the place with every comment people make, wondering if I have missed something and if what they say is correct. But Kevin just offered me some sound biblically impartial advice and that was, is it what we think that is important here, or what Jehovah thinks? Brothers and sisters here make good arguments; good, reasonable arguments, but if tested by the yardstick of what Jehovah thinks, it is a very certain leveller. One might even call it a ‘spirit level’.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. ‘Spirt level’. Are sure not ‘Spirit fingers’? I’m like you too, all over the place, digging and digging into God’ Word and listening to others. I’m every where! I like to think I don’t suffer, ‘spiritual myopia’ as my beautiful ex JW friend put it recently. I’ll refer you to read some of the points Richard, Brian, Nigel and KB makes and Daisy, BC all make good logical sense on the topic of HOG.

              Ecclesias…hog….are popping up all over the place, called, Mega Churches and they make the same claims. Hence Jesus’ question, ‘who really is the faithful and discreet slave’? Well, that question is to be answered when the Messiah, the Liberating King comes back.

            • The voice

              And the WT is saying the curches are emptying when I am also seeing them flourish while the kingdom halls are emptying

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              We have often seen that peopke when facing life and death situation,even atheist, will seek God, and right nowthe whole world is facing ww3.

            • Daisy d

              Home churches are flourishing too, like 1st century meetings held in houses, Priscilla & Aquila were very generous in every way were they not. Believers in Christ gathered together in small numbers and you can imagine how mentally stimulating and spiritually uplifting those meetings were to attend. Joyful!
              But, alas as Paul and John state, the apostates and liars were establishing themselves then, as and from that time on
              every religion created has enslaved man. Jesus died to set us free, to lighten our load as imperfect humans, His
              yoke is light…unlike the killjoys running Bethel…daisy

            • The voice

              Yes
              I remember the days of the book studies at homes. I enjoyed that more than the congregation meetings

            • Beverly kenyon

              Voice, so did I enjoy the home book studies even though I was being “taught” the Bible from their perspective. But it gives you a flavour of 1st century meetings held in homes like Priscilla & Aquilla like Daisy has mentioned. Home churches are now flourishing as people are wiseing up to the Mega Churches and the scandals we read about them. People are sick to the back teeth of religion and politicians as they’re all the same.

              The whole mess of Satan’s world is bubbling at the seams ready to pop!

              ‘And the Spirit and the bride keep on saying; “Come!” And let anyone hearing say,; “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come, let anyone that wishes take life’s water free. Revelation 22:17. NWT.

            • into the light

              Those were more upbilding and the atmosphere was more conductive to gaining real understanding because discussions weren’t moderated by KH managers. And then there was food, too 😁

            • Beverly kenyon

              Voice, they’re born liars! Their strategy had always been, ‘it’s not us, it’s them’. I remember passionately telling friends of mine how my faith…JW’s….how we don’t get involved in the politics of the world and we would never harbour paedophiles like the Catholic Church does, in fact that problem does not affect us as we live by Bible principles. Even typing those ridiculous words I feel ashamed and a real fool.

              Completely mislead and mugged off! I thank the Lord for the Internet, as good and as bad it is.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I hear you, but I’m going to stay with the watchtower. They have done the work. They deserve to stand by the materials they used when the temple falls down.!

            • Daisy d

              Really Burt! You’re going ‘to stay with the watchtower’?
              And that, after a century of prophecy failures proving that Jehovah God is not with the watchtower, as well as the eloquent lists of other wrongdoings you’ve posted to date and the watchtower pretending to be true when evidence from its roots contradicts that…
              In my opinion, as Jehovah is not with the witnesses I can only take that to mean that by ‘staying with the watchtower’ you will be showing loyalty to a so-called GB.. , not surprised and not shocked Daisy 😉

            • Burt Reynolds

              I suppose I could have put it better, oh, non shockable Daisy. What I meant was I am of the opinion to agree with what Robert says about the issue, ergo, that the judgement starts with them. Just to put you at ease, I will not be intending to stay with the watchtower, but yes, I also like to think of myself as faithful to Jehovah’s arrangement. I will not denounce the watchtower, only what goes on in it at this time. Why should I pre-empt Jehovah? He is allowing it to continue at this time. I would also like to get out of it when I see the disgusting thing, but unfortunately , or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, I am not even it it to get out of it as far as attendance goes, but I hope also to make myself available to those still inside by going along to see if I can help at the due time. With my conflicting views of the watchtower, I like to think that is an acceptable arrangement rather than a compromise. Maybe that will surprise you!

            • Daisy

              Burt. Listen carefully.
              The pellet with the poison’s in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true. Good man!
              Are you kidding! You make yourself available at the kh when it all kicks off and you’ll be torn asunder. Think Harrods new year sale.
              And I’ve got inside info on the ‘disgusting’ thing…it can only be Stephen Lett surely!/
              Joke Robert. Bad one. I know. Couldn’t resist 😉 sorry.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I shouldn’t laugh but Burt will get the biggest leathering of his life if he thinks he can go along to help at the due time. Look how JW’s treat so called, ‘apostates’. If it wasn’t for the law of the land, they would give such ‘apostates’ some proper slaps and more as their leaders keep their members in line by fear mongering….everyone is out to get them….and ‘apostates’ are mentally diseased.

              So Burt would be viewed as a mentally diseased apostate, an enemy of the ‘state’ and would get the biggest kicking of his life! Don’t do it Burt! Choose life!

            • KB

              The real goal of the Watchtower organization is to mislead gods people. APOSTATE is just a label they put on anyone who stands in their way and figures this out. They are the real APOSTATES.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Beverly and Daisy. I’m in no way capable of slinging scripture around as you are. But will hold my own on being honest. Rude, belittling and this self righteous attitude is surely not in Christian keeping, as you claim. I do have a few scriptures deeply in bedded, that being emphasized throughout scripture, what our end may be in stumbling others, pretty well makes our efforts to prove our personal point a bit in vain! Last time my daughter visited the site another bloody battle was being fought, that was 6 months past. She was pffft away by you Daisy. She was doing so well, learning and appreciating deeply the scriptural truths Robert was sharing in the articles. Truly enjoyed all the brothers and sisters discussions, so many questions answered and debated. But the b.s. And anger got so deep that she chose another route, quietly studying on her own. How many others have strayed away as well, new ones, we’ll never know. Many on the site to have the armor to fight back, but many meek ones do not. We all have a responsibility to look beyond our own fight, how it can affect those in search of Jehovah and Jesus and the kingdom messege. And most of all we all must tread ever so carefully to not become so puffed up as we may be slapped down in a big way!
              No need to come back with some smart ass remark as I have made my exit!!!

            • Southern ShaSha

              Practice what you holier than thou preach! Christian love toward others!!!!!!

            • Beverly kenyon

              The irony in you posting that post to yourself! Like I said, while you’re point your finger at me, your four other fingers are pointing right back at you.

              Wow, I totally misread you but only God knows your heart.

            • into the light

              This is a good scripture to keep in mind too: Philippians 4:8

            • Coimbatore Isaac

              You are right in pointing out Rude, belittling and this self righteous attitude is surely not in Christian keeping. Yeah that is exactly right!!!

            • Daisy

              Dear Isaac,
              I’d like you to go through my disqus history please and prove to me in what way Im guilty of those “names”. I’m replying in context to the slanderous ” names ShaSha has applied to myself.

              Not once have I used bad language nor called anyone names. Not once. Yet ones who do are shown empathy!
              And it seems to me that others who ARE judgmental and biased towards certain ones, can quote scriptures and use gods word as a weapon to browbeat whoever they care to, and get away with it, simply because those ones are judged ‘right’. We are not on the blog to be right. We’re commenters exchanging opinions mostly.

              For what its worth, I have expressed my feelings of a transition in my search for TRUTH, privately to Robert. I stated that he has done for me, the same as he’s done for you Isaac and that is to SAVE MY LIFE.
              I’ve also expressed privately to Robert that im finding his blog far from spiritually up building. As the ones who bleet on about “stumbling” others rarely contribute anything scripturally up building themselves.
              I did this privately so as to not cause “divisions”. IMO, if a few comments on a blog can so easily stumble then god help these one’s in the perilous days to come.

              Your emotional outbursts this morning when I read it this morning surprised and saddened me as I feel nothing but love in my heart for my enemies and I was at a total loss as to your motives.

              There are many MANY things that are not agreeable to myself on the blog but I would certainly not use my frustration about it to judge those ones. I’m no reader of hearts. And I use my frustration as a means to work on the fruits of the spirit, no mean task I can tell you.

              Now Isaac. You don’t know the good ‘works’ I do behind the scenes. And I know and Beverly knows the good ‘works’ she does behind the scenes. She is a good person and both she and I do not need to defend ourselves from this never ending story of who is ‘righteous’ and who is not.

              So. After you have read my disqus history, perhaps you’ll be good enough to write me an apology please. Privately if you wish…Daisy 🙂

            • Beverly kenyon

              No Southern Shasha, I’ve got to make a remark back as go look on my disqus history and you will see if I was rude, belittling and self righteous it was to people who was being the same to me thank you very much.

              But what I have noticed with ones like you, is that as soon as a person talks about Jesus Christ and how he’s pushed in a corner by your religion and how he’s the One people should be following and not men then that’s when the ones who you’re sticking up for starts and btw, I do not know your daughter and I would never knowingly be nasty to someone for the fun of it. I try to be friendly with anyone how I find them and the ones who are self righteous, and display Kingdom Hall attitude, then I ignore or stay away from those.

              Actually, you writing me in the way you’re doing is being rude, belittling and self righteous. While you’re pointing your finger at me, four are pointing back at you. I try to overlook faults in people as I have more faults myself that I have to deal with, I try to look for a person’s good points.

              Truthfully speaking to you, I don’t care a toss about the things you’re saying to me as I know the person I am and I know Daisy, my friend, the most loving, comforting, intelligent, spiritual, funny, loyal, decent, brilliant mother, caring there is. So happy I got to know that genuine lady.

              The way you’re talking to me out of the blue sounds very puffed up! As not in a heartbeat would I talk like that you seeing as how I’ve never had issues with you apart from when you took offence when I said, how your religion has put Jesus on the back burner. Yeah, do you remember that?! Cos I do. You went cold on me so I just left you to it but that reaction of your’s shocked me and hurt my feelings as I thought a lot of you. I thought we got on, had a laugh together, spoke of our background, you stuck up for me a couple of times, gave me gentle advice which I remembered, we discussed the articles so I don’t what you’re on about.

              ‘Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven’. Luke 6:37.

            • into the light

              Some scriptures to meditate on. Please note that I am not applying this on anyone in particular, just giving it as a food for thought for everyone
              2. Corinthians 12:20
              Proverbs 25:21-26
              Proverbs 20:3
              Romans 14:10-12
              1. Corinthians 1:10

            • Daisy

              (Sigh) The matter is settled. Please don’t involve yourself Light. You might be accused of being a pot stirrer lol 😉

            • into the light

              That is why I distanced myself from it by saying that I am not applying it to anyone in particular. Everyone would benefit by meditating and calling to mind Christ’s attitude at all times. Thanks for your concern, Daisy!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well, the scriptures support the ideology. Christ said that part of choosing life was to pick up his torture stake and follow him. Whilst I do not equate myself with such faith, I agree with the sentiment as far as context of the scripture concerns this point. The scripture also points to helping others not of our faith, as with the Samaritan, and in other cases where Jesus helped the prostitute and stopped her from being stoned, and to another, he forgave her sin, for the simple fact of her wishing to do what was right, even though she failed miserably.

              Jesus came at the time that was right, did he not? Who would take note of his preaching today? He came at a time that was right for listeners, a time that was right to express his word when people would be aware of what it meant: and a time when the barbarity of the social structure would cost him his life and so implement the ransom. I would not presume to even kiss his feet, but nonetheless, the scriptures repeat over and again to act in a timely manner and what better time to act than when they are ready to listen, those that are.

              Further, what should I care if at my age, my life is taken? I have had my life. It’s not going to take a bunch of thugs to do away with me, one punch will do and as for leatherings, I used to be beaten by split canes from when I was only ten and at boarding school; end of term ‘beatings’ from the other boys (42 in our house) were common, ( fists, weapons, shoes) and when I was in the army, throwing a person down a set of concrete steps and breaking his legs was a birthday treat. But there’s more! Rapes were common, I was assaulted, another was near killed by being assaulted with a hot metal spike. Near cost him his life. A leathering? Sure I would be scared, but just what else would you have me do?

              So yes, laugh. You will not be the first or the last. But I hope to help others choose life. And I’ll leave it to Jesus to determine if he will choose life for me, because I for one, cannot choose it for myself. I wish I could.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Burt,I wasn’t ‘laughing’ at you, I was laughing at how they would get violent with you if you went in there and how ludicrous it would be. Sometimes I have a bit of twisted sense of humour. It’s a bit dark.

              Bloomin heck Burt, that’s horrific the violence at boarding school. My blood ran cold reading your account.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I like your poetry Daisy. Yes, that is probably what I would do if I have the courage. I have not done a sale at Harrods I must admit because I don’t like bling, but I have tried to buy a pound of loose earl grey tea from them and so I have a vague idea of what a sale might be like. I would recommend their tea. The point in going to the hall at the end times, is that there may be someone left who wants to hear, who is looking for a way out and if they are going to listen, it will be then. I was one of them once as I am sure everyone else here was. One of my mother’s uncles was in battle during the Great War. His batallion of 700 or so men went in, he alone came out. Sort of puts a Harrods sale in the shade. Besides if Sally can do it, so can I. It might sound a bit pompous I admit, but if we disown Christ, he in turn will disown us. We have to do something because faith without works is dead and I am not exactly doing much else to that end at the moment!

            • Anderiega

              👍👍👍👍

            • ha, poor choice of words

            • Burt Reynolds

              Seems that way Dr. I did clarify it with Daisy if you want to have a look. I haven’t gone completely barmy!

            • Beverly kenyon

              And that’s the beauty of being blessed by God with Free Will! Genesis 2:16,17. That’s your choice Burt.

              ‘yet you refuse to come to me to have life’. John 5:40 NIV.

              ‘Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap’. Galations 6:7 NASB.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I explained to Daisy, clarified if you like, what I meant by my comment about staying in the watchtower , if you care to read it. Clearly one has to be in it, to get out of it when the command comes to do that. I prefer not to second guess Jehovah as to when that might be. That is all I meant. Why on earth would you think I would sanction what they do? I don’t know what you must think of me!

            • Max

              Nothing to be sorry about 😊. Your post complements mine and you are totally right! That’s what discussion is all about.

            • Beverly kenyon

              So true Max. Don’t cha just love these discussions as it’s good to connect with other Truth searchers. ☺️👍🏾

            • Max

              Yes, indeed!

            • which was why it was upsetting when all your past comments
              got deleted

          • Bklyn Kevin

            For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it “starts first with us”, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?1 Peter 4:17.

            However, when we are judged, we are disciplined by Jehovah,*+ so that we may not become condemned with the world.1 Corinthians 11:32

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              When the House Of God gets judged then the Christ is arriving.It may be chaos for us…Nobody will escape Jehovahs judgment, including us…That’s where the book of Joel has become so significant in that there will be a calling back…Jehovahs spirit gets poured out on his Sons and Daughters and menservants and maidservants….Just like the Israelites went through trials to leave Egypt, why should we expect no less??!And the apostleswrescattered, very frightening times….we are going to go through this, The end of the Watchtower means that Christ has arrived…then the great tribulation on the world… Even if I have to do the great sleep, we still will be in Jehovahs kingdom

            • The Raven

              You made several great points Cathii. Thank you for reminding us about Joel.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Ecclesia – the Latin term for the Christian Church as a WHOLE.

              Church – a building used for public Christian Christian Worship.
              synonyms: house of God, the Lord’s house, house of prayer.

              Yes, Bklyn Kevin, it is the appointed time for judgement, but judgement for the WHOLE of Ecclesia, the Christian Church….ALL Christians in their various Churches…house of God, the Lord’s house, house of prayer….collectively. Thanks for those scriptures, good reminders of what is coming.

            • Daisy

              Can’t find my specs Doc.
              Is that a bethel morning prayer meeting? 😉

            • some mite find it synonymous with a house of God 0_o

            • Daisy

              Found specs Doc…ah, I see the bethel members are getting ready for bed. Sweet 😉

            • bore through the wall then go in the entrance and look what they do in secret saying, ‘Jehovah is not seeing us’ – Ez ch8

            • Daisy

              No thanks Doc. Too much work for me, but if you don’t mind boring through the wall for me i might go in but as what they’re doing is in secret and bedrooms are private, I won’t. Thanks anyway! 😉

            • Beverly kenyon

              As you can clearly see from that picture they’ve clearly hijacked Jesus’ name to give their murderous group credibility and a religious front. For me, posting that image isn’t clever and is low and if I didn’t think a lot of you DA, I would tell you go do one! You know what, I’m just going to tell you to do one anyway! Not having that! You and that picture are out of order, so yeah, go do one!!!

            • sheesh i thought it was funny. it agrees with your point doesnt it? like you say, Jehovah knows who the whole of true Christians are and not all are found being in a relation with the WT or Kingdom Hall’s the like any other church group

            • Max

              LOL! you are hilarius!

            • trudy
            • trudy

              This is a video about Watchtower mags that have this goat in there books and I seen in in one of there books ..I think I have the book I will find it and show it ..

            • Beverly kenyon

              Like I said, doc, truth with lies and fancy dress! ALL of them the SAME! Lovely picture of the KKK. Brings back such ‘happy memories’. Nice!

            • into the light

              “It stands to reason” 😁 to conclude from this that all those who profess Christian faith are indeed Christians? And that, as you mentioned earlier, the question of “who is the FDS” will be answered by master upon his return. So basically all of them are slaves but only one will be found to be FDS? It’s certainly an interesting thought. On the other hand just because WTS uses Jehovah’s name doesn’t mean they are the chosen ones. But choosing didn’t happen yet anyway… In the end it is those who seek Jehovah who gain his favor. Psalm 14:2
              IMO it comes down to heart condition of all believers who will plead allegiance to Christ, and by extension to Jehovah, during the hour of test. But who are the ones that are trying to do their best in preparing people for this test? IMO it’s JWs. Yes, there has been corruption among them, and especially lately, but compare it to the Christendom which is apostate practically from the start. Does their MOL have to be revealed? I think it’s pretty obvious where they stand in regards to the truth…
              I wish I could wrap my head around all this, as it is increasingly harder to discern what’s what. Knowledge by itself will not save us. Ultimately it all come down to this

          • Burt Reynolds

            I was going to say that judgement starts at the house of God, but I see Kevin has said it already. It is though reflected in what occurred in the time of Noah (However vaguely one may think). Jehovah judged the system and found one righteous family. So he judged those close to him. Then he turned his attention to the rest of mankind. Were there, co-existent with Noah, those who had a form of godly devotion? Given the longevity of people up to Noah’s day, the issue of creation was, or one might expect would have been, more than just a fireside story. One could still reach out and knowingly touch a descendant of Adam. Jehovah’s name was still known in its full potency. It’s true what you say, that he is going to judge the world, and in its very entirety, but there are a multitude of examples where Jehovah has discplined his people first before moving on to deal with those who should have known better than to persecute his people. It rather, to my mind anyway, contradicts the bible to suggest that Jehovah does not have a ‘people’ in this day. And does the number of those people make a difference? After all, eight million is vastly greater than the figure we have when his displeasure was made manifest in 70AD, or in Babylonian times, or in Egypt. Besides which, though small in comparison, the eight million figure of JWs would not include interested, non baptised people, i believe, or unbaptised children. I would imagine the figure to be nearer ten, but that really does not matter matter.

            • Beverly kenyon

              And I’ll refer you back to my reply to Bklyn Kevin about the real meaning of the word, ecclesia and in my mind, ‘God’s people’ are ALL Christians as of today. And ALL of them teaching truths & lies….the Catholics, they have their false trinity teaching and the JW’s their 1914 Lie. Just because JW’s teach some basics doesn’t mean to say they have the monopoly on the Bible.

              I’ll also refer you to Black Curtains posts, Daisy’s posts and SoH in the forum, her piece is good. Also, in Revelation 7:9-10, it talks about a great multitude which no one could count, NUMBERLESS, and I know you’ve said you’re no good at Maths Burt, but does 8 million sound like numberless to you??!! Maybe 7 million by next week as their members are depleting. I agree it’s not about numbers, it’s about those ones whose names written in the Book of Life, it is the roll of those who are saved. This same book is also called the, Lamb’s Book of Life because it contains the names of those who have been redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus. Revelation 3:5. 20:15. 20:12. 13:8. 21:27.

              Besides, aren’t we under a New Covenent since Jesus died for ALL mankind.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes I agree with a lot you say. Jesus did die for all mankind and there have been numberless servants of Jehovah lost to history. The fact that Jehovah’s wrath may have a focal point does not in my opinion, rule out others of other religions perhaps. It’s true Jesus died for all mankind I say again, but that does not mean that all live for redemption. Jesus died for all those who would ultimately hear his voice. They, as you say can come from anywhere that Jesus feels is fit. It does not matter where they are now. We do not know and cannot label those places. The ultimate choice is made when the test comes and thankfully, it’s not down to me. Yet it remains that judgement begins with Jehovah’s house. It beggars belief that such could apply to all religions as most are meaningless in scriptural terms, but even were that true, it has little, if anything to do with personal salvation, and personal salvation is what it is all about…being judged individually.

              I don’t want to argue the point with anyone on this site, mainly because its importance within the group, rather than in the scriptures, and the need to be correct has outstripped the value it could possibly have to resolve it. I have seen the damage it can do recently and I have resolved to have no part in it. I know you’re not arguing the issue particularly, but I do not have the knowledge of scripture to say this or that is so. I cannot keep flipping from one belief to another, or one refinement to another, not because I don’t have a mind of my own, but because the scriptures are not explicit. Therefore to come to any reasoned conclusion, one needs Insite, and to honest, few do. Certainly the watchtower have left no trace of such.

              I have not put my faith in any man. That faith belongs to Jesus and Jehovah, but I have to say I have put my faith in Robert to tell me the truth, and as he cares not if anyone listens because the Word is not his, I feel that distance in spiritual terms is honest and honourable. Though I should or should not equate the two, I read in the scriptures that people in early times put their faith in similar fashion and with similar application to the carriers of the word following Christ, and even in just of the hope of Christ as told to them before he came. Someone must be telling the truth. We cannot all tell the truth, because like me, we do not all know what is truth and what is not.

              The fact that someone is impervious to unproven criticism in this issue, to me, is important . It is a measure of commitment and neither, with the level of insight expressed, can it be blind, yet it does not relieve the speaker or the listener to ensure that what is said, is correct. I can understand that some may be horrified by such a declaration, but I see it as pointless to pray for truth from Jehovah, but never have the faith to trust it when it’s given, answered, told, and that it reflects what is written, with reason and in honesty. If there is a mistake, honest mistake, then did not Jesus die for this? There are limits to man, but there is the stupidity of swallowing the camel, and to lose site of the basic message in a sea of argument over what we cannot possibly know the true answer to.

              What we do have the answer to, is quite simple, simple enough in fact for me to grasp. If I overstep that mark, then I have no idea what it is I am clinging to. Thus in my resolve, I am entrusting to others, very little indeed, for it is all of it, summed up in the Lord’s Prayer.

            • Max

              Wow Burt very nice post. Sounded and spiritually matured.

            • The Raven

              I read this comment carefully and I agree . I have always had a difficult time with trust and after the miserable experiences I had with Catholicism I could not put faith in anyone except jehovah. Once I learned the truth. Even after coming here I must admit I had my doubts but as I read Robert’s words it became clearer to me. Since then, I’ve also put my faith in him to tell me the truth and as you said, someone has to be telling the truth. But not only truth but revealing what we would not have seen without some sort of teacher. Like the Ethiopian who was wondering about a scripture. Look how many are drawn here. That also drives home the fact that we pray for knowledge of the truth and when we get it should have faith enough to trust it. Of course you always write in a much more profound and eloquent manner and what you wrote pretty much nails it, man. Thank you!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Nice of you to say so Raven!

            • The Raven

              That first article is very good. No comments though.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              Christiandom falls under Babylon the Great…they have tried to wipe Jehovahs name out of the he Bible..Obadiah rightly describes the fall of Catholicism

          • Burt Reynolds

            Jehovah is judging the whole world. The bible is clear in that. You are right. The issue is how that judgement proceeds and which is neither down to us to direct or deploy. Max is not wrong in what he says. Just as when a country falls to an aggressor like, for example, Germany over Poland, it takes the government, not the people in the first instance. When the government is defeated, then it starts on the people. When it is done the other way around, or holistically, like at present in Iraq, we see the people being slaughtered, but the government still standing, continuing the battle, and in this case, supported by the biggest contender of all, Russia. As Jehovah said, it starts with the temple, then moves on to all else which as you say, includes everyone, individually. What is to argue? But certainly it is not right to say someone choses to die, because they do not agree on the manner of battle? As Job points out, just where were we when all these things were made, decided and foretold? We just don’t have the right to condemn each other.

        • into the light

          It makes sense what you’re saying. What I was saying is maybe they are doing it because of costs. Maybe there are other reasons… my reply to DA was that we can still use what’s available. And ultimately we don’t know for certain what will happen. We can only keep awake and follow how the situation plays out.
          There are talks about new changes and strategies. I have been told that brothers are being encouraged to do more informal witnessing. They have been investing more resources in video and internet. Which is logical when you see that majority of people consume info in that way.
          In any case during the past century there has been enough material published which we can still use, provided that we see thru the lies that are intermingled with the truth. And we have the bible and I guess we can teach those interested directly from it.

          But I agree with you, the proof that we are close to the end is obvious and I just wish I could be of help once the sheep get scattered.

        • Burt Reynolds

          That’s interesting what you say Max, after all, you have worked there. I cannot see it going on either. They have set in motion, circumstances that can only lead to bankruptcy. Decreasing output….nothing to sell. Using up the assets, ……nothing left to sell. Drawing to a close the preaching work…..no income. Not feeding the flock….dependant income fades away. Rateable value of property (not sure what you call it in the USA, building and services tax) rises and cannot be met….building degenerates. Descision made to downsize….get out….distance self….’fall away’…..evade justice….exposed. I can see elders and high-ups who are responsible, self-disfellowshipping in a bid to get clear of legal justice. The lawyers will be first to go. But though that process may begin….it’s only conjecture….the watchtower has to be exposed for what it is. It has to be exposed as an entity. How long can it be until then? Not long.

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      Right now, we were tolded, that the school system in the US is looking for military aptitude in students. So this is the push here..A teacher told us this.

      • The Raven

        Thats been going on for several years. My niece was also approached by recruiters while still in school. Needless to say, she declined. 😁

    • Beverly kenyon

      Hey DA, on a side point, here are some scriptures about the Worship of Jesus Christ.

      ‘And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM”. Hebrews 1:6 NASB

      ‘so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth’. Philippians 2:10 NASB

      ‘Then those who were in the boat worshipped him. Saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’. Matthew 14:33 NET Bible.

      ‘Where is the newborn King of the Jews? We saw his star as it rose, and we have come to worship him’. Matthew 2:2 NLT.

  • into the light

    Besides the turmoil and the desolation of WT, what happens with brothers and sisters? In the congregations there is a belief that, directed by GB, elders will be the ones taking the responsibility to lead the sheep. ***
    Now we know that our Lord Jesus explained how the situation leading up to destruction would play out: Many would deceive the people by saying they were prophets or even Christ himself. The disciples would be delivered up and afflicted, hated by all nations. Betrayal and iniquity would abound, and the love of many would turn cold. Matthew 24:10-12

    I think that it’s establihed that this has been happening already.

    He then provided two signs that would alert the believers when it was time to flee (Luke 21:20; Matthew 24:15-18)

    But where do Christians flee this time? And what is the parallel to the first siege that stopped for no apparent reason, giving Christians time to flee?

    Edit:
    *** Remember the bunker videos? Are elders going to lead the sheep to slaughter?

    • According to what I have been told about the WT’s Annual Meeting program, the WT is promoting the Warwick complex as the place of refuge –the virtual capital of the new world – sort of like Rutherford’s Beth Sarim. So, yeah, I can see JW’s in NY and surrounding states fleeing to Warwick in hope of gaining entry into the Kingdom. Crazy days ahead. No doubt about it.

      • The voice

        Maybe a replay of a Jim jones event in the end

      • Burt Reynolds

        Can you imagine those fleeing to Warwick being allowed in the door? They would ask for proof, expect food to be brought, camp in the grounds maybe, but get in through the door? By their deeds you shall know them….going by that, I would not expect to find the GB anywhere near Warwick, let alone in it!

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      In the light…..I remember asking this same question…Br King answered back. “Then we will have the Kingdom”… In reading in Isaiah, that part where the society said,The voice behind you was your Bible trained conscience, recently there was an essay that we will be guided by Jesus Christ and Jehovah and that’s what that voice is……That’s all we really need anyhow, right? Have faith bro….Jehovah loves us and doesn’t want anyone to be destroyed…you come find us , we will bring happy to meet all our family…

      • into the light

        That’s what I am talking about. 😊

    • The Raven

      Excellent questions. I’d say the answer to the first one would be to flee to Jehovah. It may be as simple as leaving the WT out of your heart and mind and sticking to what you know can never fail you.
      The second question is something I’d have to think about but I don’t know that’s its evident at this time. Maybe it is but we haven’t associated it with the scripture yet. But it’s a fascinating one, isn’t it?

      • into the light

        It is very fascinating and also scary at the same time. Because back in Jesus time it was all happening in the locality of Jerusalem and Judea. And it was easy for Christians to discern the sign which Jesus pointed to.
        Jesus issued the warning to the generation that wouldn’t pass. He said they would see all those things happening, and they did. What about today? What is the warning? Which generation is one that was warned?

        • The Raven

          Things keep on track the way they’re going looks like it’s gonna be us! But… there are two venues to watch, aren’t there? The house of jehovah and the world.

    • Burt Reynolds

      To my knowledge Light, there may not be a parallel to the prophesy in detail, or, an exact reflection. Do not the scriptures say that the day will ‘instantly be upon them’. Also, ‘this good news …..preached……then the end will come’. The Roman army camped outside Jerusalem was not a long protracted sign. The scripture says, ‘when you see the disgusting thing, flee…’ And so the word ‘when’ or if you like ‘as soon as….’ meant ‘then’. In much the same way as when you see a car coming, you get out of the way immediately, not think about it and wait to pick up the tin of beans you dropped. The scriptures support this when they say ‘let the man on the rooftop not come down…..don’t go and pick up your clothing…’ The scripture also notes that Jehovah will not delay, which to my mind, once the disgusting thing is noted, will be there and then. As Raven points out, and i think Robert mentioned it too, there may well be no physical place to go. If London stopped a nuclear bomb, I certainly would not be going to any other part of Britain as I have to go past the place to get out of the East, though I suppose I could swim down the English Channel, but the water is not exactly clean.

      Elders will of course lead sheep to the slaughter, but only if the sheep follow them. We are hoping they will ‘hear His (Christ), voice and follow Him’. Having said that, would you follow the elder with the glasses into a cellar? I can think of a lot better places to hide than the obvious cellar. Don’t forget the subtlety of watchtower thinking…that video showed people coming and going, walking into a trap….it glorified persecution and having to face it down. There is much kudos in JW circles to put oneself in such a position to demonstrate faithfulness. Discretion is the art of valour: Jehovah’s hand is not to be tried: live or die in faith and Jehovah will reward with everlasting life: and Jehovah promises he will protect and save. He just does not refer to specific individuals to what extent he will allow them to be tried. And so faith in him, the sooner and stronger the better, will play a part.

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      Please let me add here, in the light, as Br. King has expressed many times, ones “enlightened” as from this site can be of great benefit to the friends. His goal has been to have at least one in every congregation..I have had no success yet, but maybe soon…

      • into the light

        I understand that. I’ve also been talking to some and it can be very frustrating to reason with ignorance. But I know that we have to be patient with brothers. I find this comment fitting:

        […] we have to bear in mind that the Spirit is not a fire hose. It operates in Christians more like a gentle mountain stream. It trickles down from above, but can be blocked by a hard heart and a willful disposition. We must be careful that our personal “wants” don’t get in the way of the leading of the spirit.

        We need to open up our hearts fully to receive spirit. And I have been praying to Jehovah to soften mine.

  • somebody photoshop the Watchtower logo with the slogan ‘Have It Your Way’ 😛

  • trudy

    Wow todays post really made tears come to my eyes. Amazing .I was thinking about this ..The Gb really scoff enjoying there lovely safe life .I heard a plot of land some jw brought for a kingdom hall ..is up for sale for $500,000
    They said the jw saved , gave ,did garage sales etc to see nothing was ever built on it ..They felt so betrayed like it was just house land buying for what? I am sad to say these folks have gone to another faith which is really sad but I see why they were attracted to it as they all join in and very loving and non judgement to many .It is really so sad and frustrating .I see the path is narrow , yes I and seeing youtube after youtube JW leaving I do my thing to bring them here ; They have no shepherd and keep going back into the a halls speaking to the blind guilds , still with no answers and called apostate .The bible is so much talking about the watchtower ,,yet I was told it was all Babylon …I have to say waking up to this was a real strange feeling …but as time gos on I feel better with this strange feeling of dread over me dwindling .AI am a outspoken person .I will confront elders now with bible scripture and JWs hoping to get them to read there bibles to save them selfs ..I am not afraid anymore .

  • trudy

    Can anyone tell me what has happen to Helmsford watchtower Essex UK ? That also is a big build and I remember them saying to me the end is near and next week we are collecting for a new project ..I was really confused and that was a start of my mind being dizzy with a divided mind .Why build if we are near the end , why not just preach .Why not rely on Jehovah .Cyprus crash went down over night few years back and people could not get money out they were given bank bonds ,,a lot of church’s lost loads of money as like everyone else …

    • You were not confused. They are.

      As far as I know the branch headquarters at Ridgeway is still up for sale. http://ibsaproperty.com/
      –some properties already have been sold off.

      They apparently are following the same game plan as Bethel in NewYork, which is, cash out of the expensive property while the real estate market is hot, buy a scrapyard in Essex for cheap and use free labor to built a new palace for the top dogs. And you got a pile if cash left over. Cash is king, you know –for now anyway

      • trudy

        Why have they got so many buildings who was living in these places? .This makes me feel sick … Poverty, poverty they plea in there films .Its just like the Babylon religions .I say exactly .Really you just need people homes to use as meetings and the rest spent on bibles .I let my home for studies with jws for others …nothing more than that ,When did Jesus have buildings he was the real corner stone ..Again they think real stone …mm .These building of worship are empty most of the week just few meetings its such a waste when you think about it and has cost the jws so much of there money of donations.

        • The UK has a pretty big printing operation. I toured the facility back in the early 90’s. If I recall the UK produces literature for a number of European countries. So, there is nothing wrong with having an office complex, printery, dormitory and dining hall and all of that. What is wrong is selling properties that were once dedicated to God just to make a profit.

          • Arvid Fløysand

            Yes Robert that is the maine issue.
            It is indeed a very serious matter…who dare to ore even think that they got the autority to sell properties that is dedicated to Jehovah Himself?
            Are any humans in the position to re-dedicate what is dedicated/ inaugurate to Jehovah?
            This reminds me of what Belshazzar and his nobles did when they used the holy vessels from Jehovah`s temple,for a unholy purpose….what are all the Kingdomhalls that they sell off for moeny going to be used as?

            Those buildings are not ordinary buildings…they belong to Jehovah and should be treated like holy properties…

            An almost brand new assembly hall in our district is of for sale now…the explanation from Warwick for doing so,is that by doing so they can give the money to the poor in order to help them get their own KH…
            This also reminds me of something ivè heard before… “But Judas Iscariot ,one of his disciples,who was about to betray him,said:”Why was this perfumed oil (assembly hall) not sold for 300 denari and given to the poor?He said this,though,not because he was concerned about the poor,but because he was a thief and had the money box and used to steal the money put in it.” (John 12:4-6)

            It looks like “belshazzar” and “Judas Iscariot” is back in buisness….
            And as we know…in both cases they ended up amoung the non-living ours later

            • The Raven

              Hi Arvid. Two of the halls they sold in my town became doctor’s offices. Then the crammed the few left in those halls into one. From what I’ve read this is happening in numerous places due to fewer members.

            • trudy

              yes this is true ..I think a lot are waking up …They are tiered had enough of the unnatural human rules …I am hearing so much on youtube .I have a friend who is protesting about the dates and ARC and he and 24 jws have been DF for asking questions its in Hull

              http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/terrifying-jehovahs-witnesses-witch-hunt-541793

            • The Raven

              That’s ridiculous. I’ve never heard of witnesses asking non members to shun folks but with some congregations I would not be surprised. I’ve read about a lot of widely varying opinions and views among them. I guess some are good folks and some are bad. Why would they expect a non witness to comply anyway? It’s just a form of slander imo.

            • trudy

              My friend witness no more on youtube ..Is on protest .I feel sad ..He had secret recording of the ( over s ) saying doing a purge against HIM OR ANY JW who ask questions .I have seen another jw also asking questions ..The elders said they will not answer his questions until he is reinstated ..But when he does this is when he be called a apostate ,he also recorded it ..This is where the watch tower is falling as JW are filming and recordings there judgment oF spiritual death .Just vile

            • The Raven

              Also a scriptural fulfillment. We know this has been going on for a while but I don’t think there can be much further to go down that road before they fall off the cliff. The mol is having a time with them.

    • Coimbatore Isaac

      But see sister the WTS is not understating that they think that Jehovah will protect them, because they have wrongly applied the Holy place to the Christendom.They think what Jesus said of the holy place will be destroyed is for Christendom, so they are 2 mega times confident that nothing will happen to them. If they correctly apply which represents the holy place then they will have some fear and stop doing all these things and will do what you say. Remember they are all corporate guys and only terror will make the corporate guys understand. Jehovah wants to destroy his holy place because they bought the corporate culture (= BAAL idol) into the temple of Jehovah same condition how Jerusalem temple was there before 607 BCE (secular history 587 BCE).

  • Coimbatore Isaac

    I don’t know what to tell, but this article is correct it is exactly correlating to the things that is happening. But once I related this 6th chapter of Ezekiel to Christian congregation with my JW friend. He said brother this is applied to Christendom, see brother the Christendom are the ones who worship idols not JWs. See the verse talks about idols.
    Then I replied. Brother first of all see the Israelite’s being the worshipers of Jehovah and yet they worshiped idols so Jehovah is concerned with the people those who worship him and at the same time do idolatry. IS Christendom worship Jehovah? So that Jehovah should be concerned by their idolatry?

    He thought beyond that I will not have any answer. Laughing he said me brother Okay We JWs worship Jehovah but are we worshiping the idols of Mary and Jesus ad Christendom do?

    I said worshiping the physical idol itself is not idolatry. If you honor anything equal to Jehovah is it not idolatry? Then I said brother how many times you have heard elders instruct in the field service meetings what ever the organization says it is as if Jehovah himself has said. Is not equating the words of men of the organization with the words of Jehovah an Idolatry?
    He raised his eyebrows having nothing to defend my argument.
    I also added see they say that if you follow the organization instruction you will be saved. But remember who gives Salvation is it not Jehovah through Jesus? So does not the organization calming itself a salvation medium claiming the position of Jesus Christ himself? Is that not that an idolatry? He remained silent!!!

    He said Brother you are confusing me and stopped talking this kind of matter with me.

    • you told the truth and he listened. you did excellent
      because its better to focus on
      having him listen to your point
      rather then try and convince him

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Okay thanks!!!

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      I had an experience where this sister, a good friend, when I raised the question of 1914 ,she said I wasn’t allowed to talk to her anymore until I met with the elders and got their approval….idolatry??

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Oh really,?

      • That is incredible. I have never heard of anything so ridiculous before. I wonder if the elders had to ask the GB for permission to talk to you? lol

      • Burt Reynolds

        No. Cathii. Acute lack of understanding and trust in what she knows and with self responsibility to speak up in firm founded faith. THEN, idolatry! 😇 After all, that is what leads to idolatry.

      • Richard Long

        {gasp}

      • The Raven

        That’s sad but I’m not surprised. I’ve had that heppen a few times over the years. There were no consequences for me but for a jw there can be. How did that end?

        • Cathii D’Anthonii

          I left that congregation and I lost a friend, my friends are here now…

          • The Raven

            Yes we are! 😊

      • Coimbatore Isaac

        Indeed it is a Baal kind of Idolatry

  • trudy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_6GweYEpU
    Recording of the annual meeting 2017 Warwick if anyone wants to hear .

    • sally

      wow at 1hr:21 minutes GB talk about the rebuilding of the temple after release from Babylon, this is in context of the the dedication to new world headquarters. Are they suggesting that there is a direct connection between the two?

      • trudy

        Yes , this is really strange ..I am new to waking up to all this ..I see my eyes are more and more awake …I think its very odd .I think there is new Jewish eyes in this some how ..some sort of influence ..I could be wrong ..But the Jews were the money changers ..A lot on this I say golden calf why is this building so impotent after all they are cutting back on a lot of mags and going more digital ..and they says to people look to JW.ORG ..that’s not really a witness ..Any way if people really dig before they get involved there see a lot of cross madness blood ..fractions but not whole blood ..nails in Jesus hand not nail as per there image …any way I could go on .. I have to deprogram from the images they gave as I have a photo memory …%78&^%85

      • The Raven

        I listened to that section and it appears he’s going through the list of many small beginnings for Jehovah’s people from the past down to modern day. That seems to be it as far as I can tell.

    • Anderiega

      A brother from the Australia/Asia branch gave the closing prayer…is there a recording of this? He (the brother) sounded “awake.”

      • The Raven

        Hi Anderiega. I’m curious to know about that. Awake as in, to the world events or the WT’s problems?

        • Anderiega

          Awake to the MOL. He sounded “cautious and innocent”….his prayer was the best thing of the whole annual meeting imo.

          • The Raven

            Wow. I’d certainly like to hear it. I know there are still spirit lead folks there but seeing or hearing it would be great.

      • trudy

        I will search ..at this time it seams the same recording running around YouTube
        ..I am finding so many Ex Jw on YouTube one after another .. points ..But so many I can not keep up ..I will look if I find I post it ..as I like to hear this very much ..Many be he has been DF now …who knows .

  • trudy

    I look so forward to Robert King posts ..I live for this ,I can say how truthfully I feel on the watchtower org with out being DF or shunned for speaking the truth ..” make the truth your own ” ..Funny It should be just the name on halls Jehovah Christian witness …that’s it …Nothing cheap but real truth .I cant stand the J W . ORG its simply just horrible! ..I would hate someone to call me T J E instead of my real name this I feel diverts the truth .I will make my name known ..Jehovah …

    • The Raven

      Keep yourself strong and don’t get disheartened to the point of despair for you know Jehovah hears all those sighing over the bad they see and He is our refuge, our Rock. A lot of folks are awaiting the hour He sends Christ to do His will . We know who wins…

  • Coimbatore Isaac

    To MY DEAR AND RESPECTED ANOINTED ELDERLY BROTHER ROBERT KING.

    If my observation is correct there are some in this website whose comments doesn’t look like a Christian rather it is like a layman from North Karnataka or from Pillayarpalayam from Coimbatore as there are some who are supporting Christendom and making others to believe that JW is not a Jehovah’s organization. If their game goes on like this those whose faith is not strong will stray away. Therefore it is my sincere feeling from my heart that such people are not be entertained.
    THEREFORE I KINDLY REQUEST YOU (RESPECTED BROTHER ROBERT KING) TO REMOVE SUCH KIND OF PERSONS FROM THIS WEBSITE.

    Let me says this TO THOSE WHO ARE SUPPORTING TO CHRISTENDOM:

    See from the beginning before the arrival of the promised seed the family should be a worshiper of Jehovah. This is the important prerequisite.

    See before Isaac’s birth Abraham’s family were worshipers of Jehovah.

    Before Messiah (= Jesus Christ) came on this earth as human a particular nation was dedicated to Jehovah which was the nation of Israel. Even though they were dedicated to Jehovah by the time Jesus came into that nation its religious system was very much corrupted as Jesus himself acknowledges at Luke:19:46. Still Jehovah decided to send his son into that nation only. Not in the family of Buddha just because he practiced non-violence. Why?
    Although Jewish system was corrupted yet that is the only nation which was bearing the name of Jehovah and only from that nation Jesus’ first 12 disciples and all writes of the New testament including apostle Paul were selected. So what is the point? The point is that the prerequisite is to bear the name of Jehovah.

    So similarly in modern days too a particular Christian congregation has to be dedicated to Jehovah before Jesus’ second coming and must also do the work what Jesus had commanded at Mat: 28:19: So only Christian congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses bears the name of Jehovah. Hence they meet the prerequisites to be recognized by Jehovah as well as Jesus.

    Because of various corruptions within the congregation of JW doesn’t mean they are disqualified for reorganization by Jehovah and Jesus. So before appointing the salve over the Jesus’ belongings that is Christian congregation Jesus will first start judging his own congregation that bears the name of his father as 1st Peter:4:7 says: For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God and Malachi:3:2: tells us by cleaning the congregation like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Le′vi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting.

    We can share that there are problems with in JW org, but that doesn’t mean we should support Christendom. Supporting Christendom is supporting Hinduism because they both are same. Just because Christendom is having bible and use the name of Jesus it does not mean they qualify in Jehovah’s eyes Christendom hate hate the very name of Jehovah and removed the name of Jehovah from the Bible. It is only Jehovah’s witnesses who declared the name of Jehovah worldwide.

    So once again my kind request is REMOVE SUCH KIND OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT CHRISTENDOM FROM THIS WEBSITE.

  • Coimbatore Isaac

    To MY DEAR AND RESPECTED ANOINTED ELDERLY BROTHER ROBERT KING.

    If my observation is correct there are some in this website whose comments doesn’t look like a Christian rather it is like a layman from North Karnataka or from Pillayarpalayam in Coimbatore as there are some who are supporting Christendom and making others to believe that JW is not a Jehovah’s organization. If their game goes on like this those whose faith is not strong will stray away. Therefore it is my sincere feeling from my heart that such people are not be entertained.
    THEREFORE I KINDLY REQUEST YOU (RESPECTED BROTHER ROBERT KING) TO REMOVE SUCH KIND OF PERSONS FROM THIS WEBSITE.

    • Beverly kenyon

      Don’t be scared Isaac, if your Faith is strong then you and anyone else have nothing to fear!

      And can I kindly request, you stop being judgemental. And for the record, your slanderous lie about ‘some’ which I take it you mean me, Daisy, supporting Christendom you take those words back and show me your proof!

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        I don’t know why you are replying. In a crowd if a person shouts thief why you run away in fear? Yes I criticise WTS very greatly that is what my record shows but that doesn’t mean I support Christendom. I never opened this matter with you. You yourself come to me. If you have not done then you should have not replied me. So your reply shows what I mean is true. So are you that person? If you want to talk directly them talk with me alone, don’t drag Daisy, I have great respect for that sister. A Coimbatorean knows how to give you back answers we have even done it for British Governor general Lord Cornwallis. if you try to attack me it will an ICBM like strike I have seen Pilayarpalayam guys so you are nothing. So i kindly request stop this matter here. If you go on your way go I am least bothered. Nobody said anything about you with me I don’t know why you are coming. I did not mean you. So stop talking with a Coimbatorean even British empire will keep one step back. I will not take back my words what you wiil do?

  • Dear Daisy and Beverly. You both seem to be in the center of a lot of contention. I would call it pot-stirring. I can’t allow this to go on. Please take a break. Otherwise I will give you one. I don’t wish to do that. So, please moderate yourselves. Thanks

    • Beverly kenyon

      That’s fine RK. I understand. It’s exhausting being in the centre of contention. And life goes on. ☺️

    • Daisy

      Lol! “Otherwise I will give you one”. Now that means something unmentionable in u.k lol. Made me laugh.
      Ive now booked a Moderation Course for Beverly as I’m alright lol.
      Glad you “don’t wish to do that” as I’ve never been bounced before and I’m.sure I’d break a hip. 🙂
      Memo to self; concentrate on moving and speak to all the friends by e.mail that I’ve made here, all of which love me, all whose prayers have turned my life around on a penny and that’s thanks to you. Love from Daisy …au revoir

  • trudy

    I have been hearing form elders that are ex on youtube ..That the kingdom halls are not owned by the local cong anymore and all been signed over to the higher group and then the higher group charged them rent of the Kingdom halls which were paid off with donations of the poor sheep and so they are being charged by there own leaders ….They now they are merging them and selling them off . Unbelievable They have put Jehovah up for sale ..We are at the end for sure …..

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