Who Will Rescue Me from this Death?

//Who Will Rescue Me from this Death?

Friday, February 26

I do not understand what I am doing. For I do not practice what I wish, but I do what I hate.Rom. 7:15.

Satan knows that we have sinful tendencies, and he tries to induce us to cater to them. It then becomes a formidable challenge to maintain our integrity.  Consider the case of a person who becomes so absorbed in the pleasure of the moment that he ends up doing something wrong that he thought he would never do. What led up to this sad situation? Likely, the individual had gradually been losing sensitivity to Jehovah’s voice. Either he failed to notice the warning signs regarding what was happening to his heart or he chose to ignore them. For example, he might have stopped praying, slowed down in the ministry, or started missing meetings. Eventually, he succumbed to his desire and did what he knew was wrong. We can avoid such a disastrous mistake if we remain alert to any warning signs and act immediately to correct matters.

COMMENTARY

According to Paul avoiding sin is impossible, because not only do we have sinful tendencies, as the Watchtower states, we are active sinners. There is nothing that we can do about it. No amount of prayer, meeting attendance or field service can change our nature.

To be sure, though, we can avoid gross sins. We can flee  from fornication, for example, as the apostle exhorts. To resist sin may be torturous, like cutting off one’s own hand or foot or plucking out one’s own eye, as Jesus illustrated. But we cannot avoid all aspects of sin. It is as much apart of our being as our own personality and constitution. To be a sinner and a Christian makes us hypocrites by default. It is a pitiable condition. And that was what Paul was talking about when he said: “For I do not practice what I wish, but I do what I hate. However, if I do what I do not wish, I agree that the Law is fine. But now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that resides in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for I have the desire to do what is fine but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good that I wish, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. If, then, I do what I do not wish, I am no longer the one carrying it out, but it is the sin dwelling in me.”

two hands reaching out - conceptPaul was not making excuses for his actions or inaction. He was simply laying bare our helpless condition. The reality is, everyone who wishes to live a godly life finds themselves at war, not only with the demons and the world, but with their own self! Paul explains: “I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body.”

Is there a solution to this inner conflict? Thankfully, yes. Paul went on to write: “Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law.”

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2016-12-08T15:10:38+00:00 February 26th, 2016|Commentary|55 Comments
  • Alex Henrique

    Did you watch movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/127_Hours ?

    To me, everyone person in this world are in same situation that Aron Ralston.
    We have to cut out part of our body, the sin.

  • D34D 4L!3N

    well i hope Jesus comes to me personally. but i guess that aint ever going to happen, no matter how much i pray yet scripture says to continue persevering in prayer. this life being human thing is a bunch of crap and im dead sick of it, no pun intended

    • Erik

      A long time ago Satan made the claim that if humans would be pressed hard enough that not only would they discontinue obeying him but also denounce their love for God. That, has not changed nor will it in this system.
      Jesus knew that his followers would have to endure so much and for that reason he said that it was the one who “endures to the end” that would be saved” (Matt 24:13)
      But there is another factor to consider.
      By staying faithful to Jehovah and his instructions (no matter what may happen to us) a person has the privilege to demonstrate that some humans will continue faithful despite the accusation from Satan that they wouldn’t.
      It is actually an honor to prove through these trails that one will continue to love Jehovah and be obedient to his word.
      Not everyone does.
      Not everyone will.
      The fact is: Christians everywhere on this earth are having to go through trails in some form of another.
      Some, worse than others.
      Paul wrote in Philippians 1:29: “For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to ‘suffer’ for him”.
      Christians understand and embrace the fact that we may never again have the opportunity to prove our love for God.
      (at least not like this)
      So while they stay can, Christians will continue to endure and remain faithful until such time Jehovah decides it’s enough.

      • Rose Castro

        Your words are encouraging. Because I have been viciously attacked and abused on ex-jws’ sites (which I no longer visit), I am terrified of asking questions or making statements of any kind. Please, be kind when responding and know that this is a very legitimate concern I have. I am willing to serve Jehovah (or at least I think so). But, my problem is that I do not know whether he is really there. I used to not have any doubts about his existence. However, for about two years or so, I’ve started to have serious doubts. Plus, I’ve asked him to give me some sort of sign that he’s there and that jws are, in fact, his people. I have not received any answer, and I feel that he is ignoring me the same way that most people, for some reason, ignore me too. Any answers are appreciated, but please, do not launch an attack. I need help and I’m just simply asking a question. Thanks brothers.

        • Rose Castro

          You are not Eric of jwstruggle right? I hope not!!!

        • Bklyn Kevin
        • Bklyn Kevin

          https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/good-news-in-the-bible-from-god/video-bible-true/Historical Prophecies

          Yet the Bible is filled with other amazing, supernatural predictions, just like Daniel’s, that can be verified by historical records. Historical prophecies that spoke about the future at the time of writing but later came true are particularly effective as an evidence of Scripture’s trustworthiness.

          Your ability to point to Ezekiel’s prophecy of the destruction of the Phoenician city Tyre (Ezekiel 26) or Isaiah’s amazing prediction concerning the coming reign of the Persian King Cyrus—two hundred years before his birth (Isaiah 44:28)—will certainly give you an advantage in any discussion on the Bible’s authenticity as a divine book. Only the true God can so consistently predict such distant events, as God Himself asserts (Isaiah 41:21–23, 48:3–5).2

          Just as effective are Messianic prophecies that were validated in the New Testament. Even though the fulfillment of these predictions hundreds of years later is documented within the Bible itself rather than secular history, the impact is still impressive.

          Sharing details about any one example should suffice to make your point. Consider Micah, the seventh-century BC prophet who foretold that Christ would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). Christ’s parents, Mary and Joseph, lived in Nazareth, which was nowhere near Bethlehem. So God used a Roman census for taxation to send Jesus’s earthly parents south on an arduous journey to the little town of His birth.

          Yet Micah accurately predicted this event over six hundred years before it occurred. Jesus could not have manipulated these events, nor could Luke, the historian who recorded its fulfillment. More than sixty fulfilled Messianic prophecies like this validate the Bible as the Word of God.

          As you familiarize yourself with these categories of amazing biblical predictions, you will certainly be equipped to give amazing evidences that the Bible is God’s impeccable truth for mankind. Perhaps it will even add to your own excitement about your faith.

        • Erik

          Dear Sister,
          Jesus said that his followers would be identified by the love they have among themselves. (John 13:35)
          Should anyone unjustly treat you, or anyone else, in another manner would reveal they are not following his instructions. In fact, Paul even went on to emphasize that of all the wonderful spiritual gifts a person may possess none of them would matter if a person was not manifesting the heavenly love. (1 Cor. 13)
          No doubt this is what Jesus had in mind when he said to Peter three times “Take care of my sheep”. (John 21:15-17)
          Jesus knew that his followers would undergo many hardships and trials and they would need the help and encouragement from among themselves.
          Sadly, in my 60+ years of being a Christian I have seen firsthand how those who should be taking the lead in helping others are sometimes the worst offenders.
          (even Job had his trusted companions turn against him during the hardest trial of his life)
          Be that as it may, we should not and cannot allow these things to deter us from being faithful to God.
          Recall that Satan claimed that if pressed hard enough a person would abandon their love for God.
          And like Job, Jehovah is going to allow Satan to put that to the test towards all of us.
          It would be good to remind ourselves that Satan is “a roaring lion waiting to devour someone”. (1 Peter 5:8)
          This is no ordinary adversary! He and his demons are very powerful and control this system.
          Therefore, be assured that the trails are, and will continue to be, intense and ruthless.
          So, do you at times feel like you’re ready to just give up?
          That the trails are just more than you can handle?
          That perhaps Jehovah just doesn’t like you or perhaps he may even hate you?
          Do you “long for death that does not come”? (Job 4:21 NIV)
          Do you “have no peace.. no rest.. but only turmoil” ? (Job 4:26 NIV)
          Do you at times feel like asking Jehovah “What have I done to you”…. “Why have you made me your target”? (Job 7:20-21) NIV
          Does it seem so overwhelming that you’ve said “he would not let me catch my breath” (Job 9:18) NIV
          Do you at times ask God that “if only you would only grant my request and crush me.. and cut off my life”?
          Asking also like Job “What strength do I have that I should still hope”? “Do I have any power to help myself”? (Job 9-13 NIV)
          And perhaps you have also said:
          “I despise my life …. Let me alone… my days have no meaning” (Job 7:16) “
          “My eyes will never see happiness again” (Job 7:7)
          Have you ever thought of God “Does it please you to oppress me”? (Job 10:3)
          Do you sometimes wish that Jehovah would stop ignoring you and at least “be so kind so as to look at me”? (Job 6:28) NIV
          Ahh… my dear sweet sister…
          Welcome to the world of all those “wanting to live in godly devotion” in this system of things. (2 Tim. 3:12)
          Of course, Job did not realize that it wasn’t Jehovah that was causing his problems but rather it was the enemy of mankind who was doing everything he could to break Job’s integrity to his heavenly Father.
          In this case, he failed but there is no doubt that he has succeeded many many times throughout the pages of history.
          And now, what about you and what about me? And what about the many others who also are having to experience similar trials and tribulations?
          What will be our legacy when it is all said and done?
          Despite our own imperfections, weaknesses, and trials that we all have to endure each and every day will we, at that time, be found by him as “one approved”? (2 Timothy 2:15) NIV
          Will we be among the great crowd that will prove to Satan that despite all that we’ve had to endure we are still faithful, loyal and love our God Jehovah and his Son?
          It’s not always easy being a Christian and some have had it worse than others.
          But I will share with you something I have carried in my heart for many years and perhaps it may encourage you as well. “if after having to go through all these things in my life, it makes me a better person, one who is acceptable and approved by Jehovah and his Son, then it would have all been worth it”.
          My wish, is that through the power of Jehovah’s HS you (and me) will continue to endure and remain faithful knowing that it will soon end. And when it does, we will both, along with many others, be able to serve and worship Jehovah in peace and happiness without the many trails and hardships brought about by Satan and this system.
          In the meantime, we continue to “consider it all joy” that we have the privilege of having to prove our love for Him despite anything that we may have to encounter. (James 1:2)
          Peace my dear sweet friend.

          • Song of Hannah

            Thank you so much for that encouraging note, Erik! Best ‘daily text’ my husband and I ever read.

          • Rose Castro

            Thank you so much! I feel so uplifted when I come in here. It renews my faith and my spirit. None of the hate and negativity of other sites. I also feel so hopeful and peaceful while reading brother King’s Bible teachings. That is a good sign. It means it is the right way.

        • patri

          Hello Rose,
          We cannot begin to compare being here with ex-jw sites, so please take heart – you are safe!
          Paul tells us that faith is being certain of what we do not see, but because of our “pitiable condition” as Robert puts it, those fearful thoughts that are bubbling away inside us, tend to gain a upper hand and take hold of those thoughts, and our emotions.
          You say you have asked for a sign that jws are Gods people and that you’ve not received an answer…
          I would say your prayers have been answered, because imho you are here, communicating with us Rose.

          • Song of Hannah

            Agreed! “Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together!”

          • Rose Castro

            You are right, Thank you sister!

        • Joshgoshjw@gmail.com

          Rose, you have to understand 501c3 status is a tax free benefit given in exchage for headship.
          State run religions don’t pay Cesar. ..as Jesus warned Christians to give Cesar’s things to Cesar and God’s things to God.
          Corp Churches = State Control of the message
          The true temple is the people not the building or corporate churches.

          Robert King exposes the fact of the operation of error, deluding influence God let’s his followers be exposed to to test there faith. Looks like you are passing the test to me…..congrats!

          The truth is setting you free from spiritual bondage…

          A Great Blessing from Jehovah NOW!

          WHEN JESUS ARRIVES, HIS HOLY SPIRIT WILL MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE POWER OF LOVE AND JUSTICE, BALANCED PERFECTLY. …

          • Rose Castro

            Thanks brother!

        • Bklyn Kevin
          • Rose Castro

            Excellent! I need to be more active in watching brother King’s videos. It’s like going to meetings in order to get the spiritual food. I noticed that I get discouraged if I can’t get on the website regularly. But, I get very busy sometimes and I can’t get on it as often as I would like. Thank you brother.

            • Rose, I think it’s time brother King makes a new video. Whether it be a new apocalypse report or considering questions from viewers, maybe if enough people ask will get to see that handsome bearded face !! The daily commentaries are very encouraging as well !

            • Rose Castro

              Yes, I have a few questions from the book written down. Plus, his videos are so encouraging! I hope Mr. King reads this and creates another video…

        • jacob

          The day I realized the Watchtower had shut me out from praying to Jesus, I broke down and cried. Think about it, Jesus not only spoke to his apostles while on the earth, but he spoke to Paul in a vision, as well as John. Why would not all of us have the ability to tell him directly how grateful we are for the gift he gave us? The WT changes the word “worship” to obeisance in their bible when in reference to Christ; a Satanic effort to squelch the glory of God’s Son. Dan 8:25 He is our one and only mediator to the Father! God wants us to recognize and be obedient to his Son as our path to salvation. Matt 17:5; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Rev 7:10; 12:10

          I tell you this to give you encouragement not only to approach the Father in prayer, but his Son whom he told us to listen to! Be aware of him, realize his work is in progress to restore the “temple walls” of Zion. Within the WT the Body of Christ is invisible, broken, and ineffective. We know Christ sees this; we also know he will bring the Body together – the remnant – once each “priest” who will listen, is cleansed of all sins. Rev 3:18 It must happen this way in order for the New Covenant to be fulfilled; bringing further life, its sole purpose, to the entirety of faithful mankind.

          Many anointed ones and many sheep are leaving the WT in realization of this soon-to-be visible occurrence. Don’t give up your faith, Rose! The WT sins are being revealed; the profanity within God’s Temple arrangement, which is the oppression of his holy priesthood, is reaching its climax. Dan 12:7; Rev 11:2c “Other masters”, an elder body, rule over God’s priesthood and is a “disgusting thing” in God’s eyes. Isa 26:13; Rev 13:7; 2 Chron 20:11,12; Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 13:4

          WT quote: “Do the other sheep need to know the names of all anointed ones still on earth today? No. Why not? Because it is not possible for anyone to know for sure that these ones will get their reward. (See endnote.) Even though God has invited them to go to heaven, they will receive their reward only if they remain faithful. Satan knows this, and he uses “false prophets” to try “to mislead” them. (Matthew 24:24) Anointed Christians cannot be sure that they will receive their reward until Jehovah makes it clear to them that he has judged them as faithful. Jehovah gives this final approval, or final sealing, either before they die or just before the start of “the great tribulation.”—Revelation 2:10; 7:3, 14.” W 16/1 pp 20-26

          Truth is revealed in these words – a “wicked slave”, a false prophet, is indeed misleading God’s anointed ones; notice how a “faithful and discreet slave” does not seem to be part of this category? 1 Cor 4:8; Matt 24:45-51 The anointed are God’s “holy place” of Matt 24:15; 1 Pet 2:5,9 If we recognize this oppressive situation, we are to leave and flee to God’s spiritual Zion – to the Father and Jesus completely. Matt 24:15,16; By once doing this, true fruitage of each FAITHFUL and cleansed anointed one becomes evident through Christ’s direction, if we search for it! Prov 2:1-22

          I find Isa Chapter 62 very encouraging in its promise to restore Zion and its blessing on all mankind.

          “Go through, go through the gates; prepare the way for the people; build up, build up the highway; clear it of stones; lift up a signal over the peoples. Behold, he Lord has proclaimed to the end of the earth: Say to the daughter of Zion, “Behold, your salvation comes; behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him.” And they shall be called The Holy People, The Redeemed of the Lord; and you shall be called Sought Out, A City Not Forsaken.” Isa 62:10-12; Rom 8:19-22; John 10:9

          • ewatchman

            Jacob, You have gotten your wires crossed somehow. The apostles did not pray to Jesus. Sure, they spoke with Jesus, yes. But when they asked Jesus to teach them how to pray he responded by telling them to pray: “Our Father in heaven…” BTW, Jesus prayed to Jehovah too.

            So be careful about making wild accusations about the WT depriving you of praying to Jesus. The WT is simply teaching what Jesus taught on that topic.

            • jacob

              Firstly, how do we know that the apostles didn’t speak to Christ as well as the heavenly Father? There is no scriptural support saying they didn’t.

              Secondly, you must agree with me that Jesus deserves respective worship, not on the same level as God, but still in recognition of the honor due him.

              “For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.” John 5:21-23

              Thirdly, you are telling me that the Watchtower, which expects obeisance to men, are RIGHT in this matter?

              Definition of the word, PRAY, Merriam Webster: “to SPEAK to God especially in order to give thanks or to ask for something, to make a request in a humble manner. to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

              Now, tell me, when Christ said…..

              “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30

              AND

              “Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.” John 6:35

              .…that I cannot come to Christ for guidance and learn from him?

              Yes, he is the way to approach the Father, and he taught us how to do this; he also represents the Father. He has full resource in the Father. John14:7,9; 12:45; Col.1:15; 1John5:20. Let me ask, who represents Christ on earth, and who is IN Christ? YOU are; anointed ones are! Would you not have full access to approach your Master, your brother, your High Priest in prayer, to speak to him for direction in doing God’s will – in doing HIS will?

              “We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.” 2 Cor 5:20

              “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.” John 17:20-23

              As the potential member of the Bride of Christ, the anointed must reach out to their “husbandly owner” in order to be united with him, in order to “buy” refinement from him, and to be guided by him. Rev 3:18 ALL those who desire to serve the Father must give due honor to the Son, would it not honor him if we listened to his words to come to him? If we reject his plea to do so, are we obeying him?

              “Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” John 14:23

              “For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.” Rom 14:8

              “that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth” Phil 2:10

              Once the Bride “comes down out of heaven” is THAT when we are able to finally speak to Christ, as well as all mankind? Or do you believe Christ and his anointed priests will not be with mankind on the earth? People spoke to Christ while on earth, they will speak to Christ when he returns. Why not now?

              “And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.” John 1:51

              “Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” Rev 21:2

              Isa 61:10,11

            • ewatchman

              There is no scriptural support for the notion that the apostles prayed to Jesus, that is true. But evidently that is not going to stop you from pretending there is and trying to fabricate something. However, there is plenty of scriptural support to show that the apostles prayed to God, the Father.

            • jacob

              I don’t believe I have, or intend on fabricating a thing and yet you judge me as doing so. Yes, there is plenty of scriptural support that the apostles prayed to God. There is also plenty of scriptural support to show that Jesus was worshiped.

              Concerning scriptures that speak of worship being given to Christ, the same word for worship is used many times in reference to our giving worship to God. To Jesus – Matt 2:2; 9:18; 15:25; 14:33; John 9:35,38; Mark 5:6; Luke 24:52, to the Father – John 4:24; 1 Cor 14:25; Rev 11:16; 19:4

              Heb 1:6 – “But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

              We worship the Father and we do so in prayer. We worship the Son….without any acknowledgement to him? If you believe in Christ, why don’t you embrace him fully? I have given nothing but scriptures to prove that he wants us to come to him. How so, just to stand before him, mute? Should we continue to be as the Pharisees, seeing Christ but not accepting him as we should?

              36 ‘I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish – the very works that I am doing – testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to COME TO ME to have life.

              41 ‘I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and YOU DO NOT ACCEPT ME; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but DO NOT SEEK THE GLORY THAT COMES FROM THE ONLY GOD? John 5:36:44

              “For my Father’s will is that everyone who LOOKS TO THE SON and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.’” John 6:40

              It is written in the Prophets: “They will all be taught by God.” Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him COMES TO ME. John 6:45

              ‘You do not want to leave too, do you?’ Jesus asked the Twelve. Simon Peter answered him, ‘Lord, TO WHOM SHALL WE GO? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.’ John 6:67-69

              “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14YOU MAY ASK ME FOR ANYTHING IN MY NAME, AND I WILL DO IT. 15 ‘If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever – 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I WILL COME TO YOU.

              How can we know Christ who is to be in us, without speaking directly to him?

              “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” John 5:46,47

              Luke 5:37-39

              No, Robert, Satan would rather you not approach Christ. That is one more person lost to the Son, his greatest enemy.

              Any member of the Body of Christ cannot be segregated from the Head and remain in unity with him. How many times in the scriptures does he have to say, “come to me”, before it finally sinks in?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              ◄ 4352. proskuneó ►
              Strong’s Concordance
              HELPS Word-studies4352 (proskyneō) has been (metaphorically) described as “the kissing-ground” between believers (the Bride) and Christ (the heavenly Bridegroom). While this is true, 4352 (proskynéō) suggests the willingness to make all necessary physical gestures of “obeisance”.

              Scriptural example Matthew 2:2“
              Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do “obeisance” to him.

              Excerpt.
              The Greek word proskyneo may be used in connection with bowing before God or it may also be used to describe the act of bowing in submission to a person in authority, such as a king. Jesus used the word at Matthew 18:26 in an illustration involving a slave bowing before a human king. Obviously in that story Jesus did not intend to say the slave was doing an act of worship.

              Jesus himself is said to have fallen upon his face prostrating himself before God in the Garden of Gethsemane moments before his arrest.

              In the case of those who did obeisance to Christ they were not supposing that Jesus was God, as many misguided Trinitarians imply. Take for example Matthew 14:33 (cited in the question). That was the occasion when Jesus walked upon the storm-tossed sea, which states: “After they got up into the boat, the windstorm abated. Then those in the boat did obeisance to him, saying: ‘You really are God’s Son.”’

              Jesus walks on water Had the disciples imagined that Jesus was actually Jehovah God they would have said so. But they didn’t. They expressed their conviction that Jesus was God’s Son.

              Another “proof text” offered is Hebrews 1:5-6, which states: “For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: ‘You are my son; today I have become your father’? And again: ‘I will become his father, and he will become my son”? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: ‘And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”’

              The passage in Hebrews is a different setting entirely. God declared Jesus to be his Son on the day he was baptized and anointed with holy spirit to be the Messiah. However, Paul was contrasting the glory and authority Jesus will have upon his return, or as Paul worded it: “When he (God) again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth.”

              So, when Christ sits upon his throne God will require all to submit to him, including the angels. However, it is important to note that God commands his angels to worship his Son at a point in the future. Obviously the angels have always worshipped Jehovah. But when Jesus becomes King then the angels will be required to bow before him as Jehovah’s most-honored Son.

              While Jehovah’s Witnesses are presently laboring under the delusion that Jehovah has already brought his Firstborn into the world again, that is not the case. The coming of the Son of man will be a new development in the relationship of God’s people toward him. Then Jesus will receive worship, but not because he is God, but because God commands it. That is why in Revelation the vision depicts the Lamb in the midst of the throne around which the 24 elders do obeisance.
              https://e-watchman.com/worship-or-obeisance/

              Take note Jesus set the record straight concerning who is to be worshiped.

              In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah* your God you must worship, and it is to him “alone” you must render sacred service.
              Luke 4:8.

              Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah* your God you must worship, and it is to him “alone” you must render sacred service.
              Matthew 4:9-10

              Exodus 20:3
              Deuteronomy 6:13
              Deuteronomy 10:20

            • jacob

              Hi Keven, I don’t believe one has to be a Trinitarian in order to give Jesus relative worship; a reference point made in the article you quoted.

              In both Luke 4:8 and Matt 4:9,10 Jesus is speaking to his rival, Satan. Is it not true that Jesus worships the Father and he is pointing that Satan should do the same? Of course Jesus would say this in regards to his Father! Notice the RNWT uses the word “worship” in this case, and not “obeisance”. On the other hand, I have NOT found a scripture where Jesus stops a person from worshiping him.

              In all instances in the RNWT where Jesus is concerned, the word “obeisance” is characteristically used in the RNWT instead of “worship”. Do you not feel this is an indication by the translators to slight the glory due Christ? Doesn’t he deserve a greater respect than any earthly king would? Using the “obeisance” leaves quite a different impression on the mind of the reader than if one read “worship”.

              CONCERNING CHRIST:

              Matt 2:2 – NKJV worship/ RNWT obeisance

              Matt 2:8 – NKJV worship/ RNWT obeisance

              Matt 2:11 –NKJV worship/ RNWT obeisance

              Matt 9:18 –NKJV worship/RNWT obeisance

              Matt 14:33-NKJV worship/RNWT obeisance

              Matt 15:25 NKJV worship/RNWT obeisance

              >>Matt 28:9 NKJV worship/RNWT obeisance

              Matt 28:17 NKJV worship/RNWT obeisance

              Mark 5:6 NKJV worship/RNWT bowed down

              Luke 24:52 NKJV worship/RNWT obeisance

              It goes on in this pattern.

              CONCERNING GOD:

              John 4:23 NKJV worship/ RNWT worship

              1 Cor 14:25 NKJV worship/RNWT worship

              Heb 11:21 NKJV worship/RNWT worship

              Rev 4:10 NKJV worship/RNWT worship

              Rev 5:14 NKJV worship/RNWT worship

              IMAGES/IDOLS/SATAN

              Acts 7:43 NKJV worship/RNWT worship!

              Luke 4:7 NKJV worship/RNWT worship!

              Matt 4:9 NKJV worship/RNWT worship!

              It is very interesting to note that the Watchtower’s Kingdom Interlinear translates Heb 1:6 to read, “But when he again brings his firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels WORSHIP him”. The RNWT contrastingly uses the word “obeisance”. Why, if not to lessen the role the Almighty God has given his Son?

              When Jesus was resurrected he was AT THAT POINT given power, authority and glory at the right hand of God.

              “Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matt 26:64

              “But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” Acts 7:56

              “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” Ps 110:1,2

              “For He MUST REIGN until He has put all His enemies under His feet.” 1 Cor 15:25

              “These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33

              He tells us “he has overcome the world” and yet, he is given “obeisance” by the WT, while the scriptures pertaining to Satan are rendered “worship”. By doing so, could it not be another subtle ploy to shut up the Kingdom from the sheep? Ps 64:5,6 For the one sitting at the right of God, given power to judge, I would think they might question their relationship not only with the Father, but with his Son by taking such liberties in lessening his role.

              “In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.” Jer 33:15

              “let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was REJECTED BY YOU BUILDERS, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ NOR IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED.” Acts 4:10-12

              And we cannot approach our redeemer and thank him for his great gift? Giving him such an honor is not putting him before God (Exod 20:3) but is acknowledging the glory God himself gave him. John 17:22

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Jacob something to think about.
              A false witness will not go unpunished,
              And the one who lies with every breath will not escape.Proverbs 19:5.

              Jude 11 Too bad for them / [YOU], for they / [You] have followed the path of Cain and have rushed into the erroneous course of Baʹlaam for reward, and they have perished in the rebellious talk of Korʹah !
              12 [You are like the] waterless clouds carried here and there by the wind; fruitless trees in late autumn, having “died twice” and having been uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea that cast up the foam of their own shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackest “darkness” stands reserved forever.

              2 Peter 2:4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense “darkness” to be reserved for judgment.
              12 [You] / They will suffer destruction brought on by their own destructive course, 13 suffering harm as their reward for their own harmful course.

              Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.This means the second death Revelation 20:14-15.

            • jacob

              Thank you Keven, for your concern. Yes, we recognize these “waterless clouds” from coming out of the Watchtower. Their sights are set not on the things above, but on earthly things; because of doing so, they will not recognize the day or the hour. Luke 12:54-56

              “Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.” Col 3:1-4

              Those particular chosen teachers have severed themselves from the true vine which is Christ by the fruit they have produced; I realize from your comment you feel I am doing the same.

              Christ is the Shepherd for the sheep, he hears their cries, attends to their needs and leads us in two ways.

              “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER except through me.” John 14:6

              This is widely accepted as praying “in Jesus’ name” to the Father. He also said,

              “NO ONE CAN COME TO ME unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:44

              How would you interpret this? If I approach Jesus for guidance because the Father has drawn me to him, I am now considered damned? If so, this would make the scripture not inspired.

              “Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and SHOW MYSELF TO THEM.” John 14:21

              Christ “shows” us, not only the Father but himself as well. John 14:9 The God who draws us to Jesus IS love, and by obeying the Father’s command to listen to his Son, as well as obeying Jesus’ words, we then realize just what those laws written on the heart are all about – they are far from the path of Cain in Jude 11, which is devoid of love. Rom 2:15; Heb 10:16; 8:10

              He also promised his disciples, “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” John 14:18 This promise does not stop with them, it is a promise to all whom the Father draws to Christ.

              What happens when we realize that he will be “with us “to the very end of the age”? Matt 28:20b

              “It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and WILL COME AND WAIT ON THEM.” Luke 12:37

              Through our supplications both to the Father and to the Son, Jesus sends his “helper” to guide us in spiritual understanding; this is how we are fed at his table and this is how our prayers are answered – with “good gifts”. John 6:35,37; Matt 7:11; John 14:26

              Aside from visions, Jesus spoke directly to Paul.

              “ He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.” Acts 9:4,5

              There is no doubt of a dialogue, witnessed by others. The work of the chosen ones is directed through Christ which this scripture indicates. For those anointed who care to do God’s will, should they not avail themselves to this direction? The scriptures I have put in comments here prove that we are to listen to Christ, as the Father commanded us to…

              “that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.” John 5:23

              I realized that there IS proof in the scriptures of prayers offered to Christ. In Revelation 5:6-14, the Lamb is worshiped by the “twenty four elders” “each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” – prayers offered before the Lamb.

              “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me” John 10:14

              “But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. I WANT TO KNOW CHRIST—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.” Phil 3:7-11

              Keven, is there really anything here that I’ve said, that could be determined as blasphemy? The Watchtower has blocked out our understanding of this relationship possible with Christ; which is approved by the Father, as both Christ and God work with a unified purpose for each one of us. Why would we work against this purpose any longer and block the blessing of Holy Spirit? I ask you to approach the Father about this. I have come to appreciate the “good gifts” the Father will give us if we have faith and humility. Matt 7:11

              This is the refinement we all face; we wipe our hearts clean of darkness and buy the refined gold of understanding from Christ. These words of Christ are like fire that cleanses our long held perceptions which kept us in darkness and away from his light. While you feel I may reside in darkness, I feel I am finally comprehending the light of Christ. Luke 3:16,17; John 3:19; 8:12

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Excerpt https://e-watchman.com/let-kingdom-come/

              But Jesus also opened the minds of people to “see” the truth. That is why Christ referred to himself as “the way and the truth” and “the light of the world.” Conversely, Satan and the demons are the rulers of darkness and possess the power to blind the minds of unbelievers. And according to the light of scripture the world at large is entirely cloaked in demonic murk.
              Of course, people do not consciously allow themselves to be mentally blinded by the Devil. There is deception involved. Satan misleads people by first duping them / [YOU] to accept that the lies and misconceptions they believe are the truth. Under the demon’s pall the darkness becomes the light and the blind are convinced that they bask in divine radiance.

            • jacob

              Kevin, I have related only the glory of Christ, which reflects the glory of God, and you say I am in darkness.

              3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4:3-6

              What am I not believing in? Can you see that Satan does not WANT us to rely on Christ? Just where is darkness actually residing?

              BASKING in divine radiance? How can anyone presume to be such, but only to strive for this continuous blessing of Holy Spirit, which is a result of listening to God’s word through his Son? THIS is how the gift can shine on such a one – a continuous struggle to remember our lowliness in the sight of God; how through love he has given such a blessing of light. Are you saying we shouldn’t speak of the glory of Christ once we are receptive to it and accept it into our hearts?

              “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. Matt 5:14-16

              What is it that is evil in my words?

            • jacob

              Here is another example of praying to Christ.

              The words of Paul, a foundation stone of the Body of Christ:

              “And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I PLEADED WITH THE LORD THREE TIMES that it might depart from me. 9 AND HE SAID TO ME, MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU, FOR MY STRENGTH IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the POWER OF CHRIST may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, FOR CHRIST’S SAKE. For when I am weak, then I am strong.” 1 Cor 12:7-10

              The connection is clear that Jesus is speaking; If Jesus readily spoke to Paul in answer, you can be assured he will certainly guide us through the scriptures if we ask for it.

            • e.v.g

              What is the purpose of praying the Son, when you can pray to the Father? You are ready to suffer as Jesus and Paul ?Is not what Paul is implying in that verse?It is not what Jesus spoke to John in Revelation, when he said ?
              Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth.
              It is about the hour of test when Jesus is the saviour. The time has not yet come to rejoice with the Son of God, then, those who will have the privilege to speak with Him and Jesus will answer them .
              Therefore , we continue to pray to the Father, for the Son of God comes.

            • jacob

              Wow, e.v.g, your reaction is exactly what I’ve been trying to convey as the issue. Jesus is shoved aside in importance. Why pray to Jesus? Because the Father desires our recognition of his Son, to listen to him, know him; but how we do this is a choice we all make. If I had the opportunity to understand God’s Son more by bringing him into my life in such a manner, why would I hold back on giving him such relative worship? When he walked the earth, people hung on to his every word, and by listening to him they learned even more about the God they worshiped. I want that relationship with Christ as well, which will also bring me closer to the Father.

              The “hour of test” is experienced by each chosen one since Christ. Luke 22:31 Earlier I posted on
              https://e-watchman.com/kingdom-bulletin-10/ and the situation I see in the WT. 2 Thess 2:9-12 The anointed are facing their individual “hour of test” within those Walls, as well as it being the last “test” before the Temple is restored. They must choose to either tolerate lies and oppression, or cleanse themselves in repentance to the Father and actually listen to Christ? Eph 5:8 If Jesus is their mediator, why do they allow an organization to judge them? They have lost sight of their connection to the Body. They allow a “wicked slave” to determine what “fruit” to serve the sheep. We have sat paralyzed in the organization, unable to focus clearly on our relationship with the Father. Not until we respond to that voice behind us do we realize what choice we have. Isa 30:21; Psalm147:15-20

              Remaining inside the organization brings about its own affliction; leaving it brings even more, because Satan attacks with a vengeance. Each anointed one that chooses to listen to Christ has suffered greatly for making the decision to leave and declaring salvation comes only from the Father and Christ. They have suffered even to the point where living seemed futile. Disfellowshiping alone causes such heartache to those losing family and friends; add to that, Satan facing the reduction of the number of his own possible “seed”, he attacks with all he has. Trust me on this, but through this suffering it is then that the glory of Christ is revealed within us. 1 Pet 4:13

              We know that the renovation of God’s Temple, the Body of Christ, is through God’s will with Christ leading it. Jer.31:10; Joel3:2; Eze.34:6; Zech.14:2 Because of being misled to believe Christ’s Thousand Year Kingdom is still to come, we may struggle in recognizing, that in the Father’s eyes, Jesus has always emanated glory.

              In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

              He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

              And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

              And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.

              No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:4,10,14,16,18

              Is the Great Tribulation at hand? I believe so. Christ has been at the right side of his Father ruling in the midst of his enemies since his resurrection. Matt 10:34; Eph 6:12; 2 Cor 10:3-5 Do we wait until he shows himself before our physical eyes to come to him? We can behold his glory even now, as much as possible before he reveals himself to the world.

              “Have you not even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes’?” Mark 12:10,11

              “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one” John 17:22

              If we want to imitate Jesus Christ, we avail ourselves to his light, and the suffering for doing so is heaped upon us by Satan. This chosen priesthood must face it, for it means their life. Now.

              “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who CALLED YOU OUT OF DARKNESS INTO HIS MARVELOUS LIGHT” 1 Pet 2:9

              “He has DELIVERED US from the POWER OF DARKNESS and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love” Col 1:13

              “Depart! Depart! Go out from there,
              Touch no unclean thing;
              Go out from the midst of her,
              Be clean, You who bear the vessels of the LORD.” Isa 52:11

            • ewatchman

              Like I said, you obviously have your wires crossed and you wish to twist the scriptures to try to support what you admitted has no scriptural support. No apostle every prayed to Jesus. Period. Serving Christ, following Christ, being in union with Christ is not praying to Christ. Nor in praying to God in Jesus’ name, as Jehovah’s Witnesses do, praying to Christ.

            • jacob

              I thought we both agreed that there was no scriptural proof that the apostles DIDN’T speak or pray to the Christ. You must have your wires crossed, twisting the scriptures to support what you admitted has no scriptural support? I also pray to God in Jesus’ name.

            • ewatchman

              There is no scriptural proof that pink unicorns don’t exist either.

            • jacob

              Robert, it is just the opposite. Satan pushes Jesus into the background as the WT has efficiently done. I continue to be surprised that you don’t see this when your own brothers in Christ are pushed into the background; judged by those not anointed; disfellowshipped as yourself was for bringing to the fore it’s lies, OR for bringing to the fore Christ and the Father as salvation and not the organization. Rev 12:17; 12:11; John 15:20

              Satan’s enemy is Christ! Gen 3:15

              You also assume too much. The Almighty God would never take a “backseat” in my eyes; it is with great fear and trembling we work out our salvation, not with haughtiness or a self-assuming attitude. Because of this, I attempt to soberly listen to what the Father has to say. Phil 2:12

              “This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: ‘In repentance and rest is your salvation,in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.’” Isa 30:15

              ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.’ Matt 11:28-30

              “Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, ‘This is the WAY; walk in it.’” Isa 30:21 This voice is Christ’s, knocking at the door, inviting us to “dine with him”. Rev 3:20; 3:8 Should it be a one way conversation?

              Jesus answered, ‘I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.’ 8 Philip said, ‘Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.’
              9 Jesus answered: ‘Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, “Show us the Father”? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? John 14:6-10

              “But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way.” Acts 19:9a

              “About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way.” Acts 19:23

              “I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison” Acts 22:4; John 16:2

              Isn’t this what the Watchtower accomplishes when one refuses to follow THEIR way? Isn’t this what you may be doing to one like myself who chooses to follow the Way in like-mindedness of the early apostles – persecuting by words for doing so? Can you see from these scriptures that it isn’t the Heavenly Father that Satan pushes into the background, but as history shows, it is Christ Jesus? Rev 12:7

            • ewatchman

              You are using a red herring. Even if the WT has de-emphasized Jesus, you are are guilty of a more egregious error by promoting Jesus to the role of the Hearer of prayer.

            • jacob

              Oh, my goodness. I do believe it is you throwing out a red herring.

              Heb 13:15 – “ Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.”

              That should take care of your comment.

              “If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.” John 12:26

              So, I pray to the Almighty Father and give him reverence and worship as well as ask for direction and forgiveness. I follow Christ, I serve Christ, I listen to Christ, I ask for direction from Christ as any servant would of their Master. And by doing so, I honor the Father for giving his Son glory. I address both in prayer, but not always; primarily to the Father when doing so. I ask Christ for direction into his word and am never disappointed.

              “Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify Your name. “Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.” John 12:27,28

              But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
              “Lord, who has believed our report?
              And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
              39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
              40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
              Lest they should see with their eyes,
              Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
              So that I should heal them.”
              41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him. John 12:37-40

              Again, I ask, if Jesus spoke to his disciples and apostles – to all people – and will do so upon his return, why not now? When was the cut-off? When did the Father lock him out from our midst? He never has, as the Father and Christ are one, just as his Body is one in them; but only if each member allows it. John 17:21-23

              Ask God about it, Robert.

            • ewatchman

              No doubt you are trying to give the impression that you know what you are talking about by pasting a lot of scriptures. I suspect more than anything you are just trying to waste my time. Well, I’ll give you that much.

            • jacob

              I am surprised that by giving you scriptures to validate truth is considered a waste of your time. In sincerity I suggested you ask the Father about praying to Christ.

              It was with Rose’s sorrowful comment that this string of discussion developed, and it is with sincerity that I will leave you and Rose with a few more scriptures that I truly hope isn’t a waste of your time, Robert.

              At least I got your attention.

              And by the way, being able to copy/paste scriptures is awesome.

              “In those coming days,”says the Lord,
              “the people of Israel will return home together with the people of Judah. They will come weeping and seeking the Lord their God.

              5 They will ask the way to Jerusalem and will start back home again. They will bind themselves to the Lord
              with an eternal covenant that will never be forgotten.

              6 “My people have been lost sheep. Their shepherds have led them astray and turned them loose in the mountains.
              They have lost their way and can’t remember how to get back to the sheepfold.

              7 All who found them devoured them. Their enemies said,
              ‘We did nothing wrong in attacking them, for they sinned against the Lord, their true place of rest, and the hope of their ancestors.’ Jer 50:4-7 (8-10)

              Robert, I wonder how you can “bind” yourself to God or Christ by allowing such distance between you and God’s Son.

              Rose, as Jer 50:7 eludes to, we come out of the Watchtower with the guilt on our own shoulders laid there by the organization, but remember what Christ said?

              “so he explained it to them: “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who came before me were thieves and robbers. But the true sheep did not listen to them. 9 Yes, I am the gate. Those who come in through me will be saved. They will come and go freely and will find good pastures. 10 The thief’s purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.” John 10:7-10

            • ewatchman

              I been dealing with flimflammers and con men for a long time. All the trinitarian con men use scriptures. It doesn’t impress me. You are simply going putting up a show to cover for the fact that you don’t have anything to prove your contention that the apostles prayed to Jesus.

          • Rose Castro

            Thank you, I know you’re trying to help. That’s very nice. Read what brother King said.

            • jacob

              Dear Rose, the only sign you need is to do as the Father says, and listen to his Son. Matt 11:28-30; Rev 3:20

        • Bklyn Kevin
          • Rose Castro

            I just watched this video you forwarded to me. Thank you so much Brother Bklyn. I am horribly busy, but I still try to make time to come in here. I wish I could see videos like this regularly. It really encourages me and strengthens my faith. Thank you for the work you do!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello Rose: I’m glad that this video help you.
              However just to let you know it is not my work.
              When I was searching through numerous videos I stumbled upon it And taught of our previous conversation Concerning this subject .
              Now that i know that it has helped you I will surely Share more of these videos in the future as I screen them, If that’s ok with brother Robert ?.
              In the meanwhile here is a link to brother Robert’s

              “you tube site”https://www.youtube.com/user/ewatchmandotcom

    • Bklyn Kevin
    • Brian

      This what you are saying about coming to you personally is what you should be hoping upon. Faith is the expectation of something not yet beheld, and so faith in Jesus and hope that you will be “chosen” are what the calling is about.many are called but few are chosen. If you already deny being called, you will never be chosen.
      This is the good news of the Kingdom.

      • D34D 4L!3N

        yes Brian, ive thought about the “many are called but few are chosen” several times myself

      • D34D 4L!3N

        thank you

  • D34D 4L!3N

    another problem is the elders, brothers an sisters treating those that love the truth like crap cause we wont conform along with them in formalistic watchtower worship by not questioning what we’r being told is the truth. they dont think and if anyone tries to think or speak-up for the truth we are shut out then harder to keep integrity without good association that is a great deal of help keeping ourselvs and each other out of trouble

    • Bklyn Kevin

      I’m afraid at some point in the future it will even get worse than that.
      I have said these things to you so that you may not be stumbled. Men will expel you from the synagogue. In fact, the hour is coming when everyone who kills you will think he has offered a sacred service to God. John 16:1-3

      But take your stand against him, firm in the faith, knowing that the same kind of sufferings are being experienced by the entire association of your brothers* in the world 1 Peter 5:9.
      Put on the complete suit of armor from God so that you may be able to stand firm against the crafty acts of the Devil; because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God, so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm. Ephesians 6:11-13.

      while you throw all your anxiety* on him, because he cares for you
      Peter 5:7.
      Also please remember we must maintain the same attitude that Jesus displayed when he was under severe persecution.
      But Jesus was saying: “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34.

    • e.v.g

      Glorify God is the only thing left us, often we try to glorify ourselves with our words and actions, look at the congregation, pretty words, good eloquence, good looks, something needs to be me corrected.

      • jacob

        Interesting, e.v.g. I responded to your question “what is the purpose of praying to the Son’ but not only is your question gone, but also my answer….that I can see.

        Do you see it anywhere?

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