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Thursday, November 24

Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned.Rom. 5:12.

The first to die was faithful Abel. Then Adam’s other offspring grew old and died. Did they inherit sin as well as death? The apostle Paul answers: “Through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners.”  Sin and death inherited from Adam thus became implacable enemies of mankind, inescapable for imperfect humans. We cannot exactly describe all that was involved in passing on their sad inheritance to Adam’s immediate and more distant offspring, but passed on it was. Fittingly, the Bible refers to inherited sin and death as “the shroud that is enveloping all the peoples and the covering that is woven over all the nations.” This suffocating covering, or shroud, this intricate webwork of condemnation, entraps all people. So the fact is that “in Adam all are dying.”

COMMENTARY

It is paradoxical, to be sure, that the Watchtower can impart great insights in matters related to biblical teachings, such as the ransom and the purpose of the Kingdom, and at the same time be absolutely blind as regards prophecy, that is to say the future fulfillment of prophecy.

Ironically, their blindness is itself a matter of prophecy, particularly the prophecy of Isaiah. For example, at Isaiah 29:9-10 God speaks to the spiritually inebriated condition of the leaders of his people, saying of them: “Be stunned and amazed; blind yourselves and be blinded. They are drunk, but not with wine; they are staggering, but not from alcohol. For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you; He has closed your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered your heads, the visionaries.”

The prophecy goes on to liken the prophets and visionaries as illiterates, who cannot decipher the enigmatic message contained in the scroll of Isaiah: “Every vision becomes for you like the words of a sealed book. When they give it to someone who can read, saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ he will say: ‘I cannot, for it is sealed up.’ And when they give the book to someone who cannot read, saying: ‘Read this, please,’ he will say: ‘I cannot read at all.’”

Some years ago I spoke to a member of the Governing Body and tried to reason with him on the absurdity of the Watchtower’s teaching on the book of Joel and related prophecy. He was very dismissive and said that if Jehovah wanted them to know anything he would reveal it to them directly. The end result of that attitude is exactly as described above. It is as if the Governing Body have handed the scroll of Isaiah to one of their “helpers” for him to interpret, who then confesses that he cannot read.

But why does Jehovah’s pour a deep sleep upon those who serve as prophets and visionaries, at least as the interpreters of the inspired prophecies and visions? It is so that God may judge them and test the faith of his people, as the context of the 29th chapter of Isaiah relates. The end result of the blindness imposed by the drunken prophets is that God circumvents their authority, enlightening his people directly without the middle man. Isaiah goes on: “In that day the deaf will hear the words of the book, and out of the gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see. The meek will rejoice greatly in Jehovah, and the poor among men will be joyful in the Holy One of Israel. For the tyrant will be no more, the boaster will come to his finish, and all those keeping alert to do harm will be destroyed, those who with a false word make others guilty, who lay traps for the defender in the city gate, and who with empty arguments deny justice to the righteous one.”

It would seem that this portion of Isaiah is straightforwardly speaking about the coming of Christ and the setting of all matters straight, which brings an end to the petty religious tyrants and boasters. But according to the Watchtower the deaf have already heard the words of the book and have emerged from the gloom to the full light of day, not by any glorious manifestation of Christ mind you, but simply by the Watchtower. Here is what the illiterate commentators have to say on Isaiah 29:

However, there is salvation for individuals who exercise faith. (Read Isaiah 29:17-24; compare Luke 7:22.) “Deaf ones” will “hear the words of the book,” the message from God’s Word. Yes, this is not a healing of physical deafness. It is a spiritual healing. Isaiah once again points forward to the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom and the restoration of true worship on earth by the Messiah’s rule. This has taken place in our time, and millions of sincere ones are allowing themselves to be corrected by Jehovah and are learning to praise him. What a thrilling fulfillment! Ultimately, the day will come when everyone, every breathing thing, will praise Jehovah and sanctify his holy name.—Psalm 150:6.

It is somewhat humorous that the modern-day drunkards of Ephraim then go onto warn Jehovah’s Witnesses about the dangers of drinking literal liquor, as if that is the lesson to be learned from Isaiah!

What do such “deaf ones” who hear God’s Word today learn? That all Christians, especially those to whom the congregation looks as examples, must scrupulously avoid ‘going astray because of intoxicating liquor.’

celebration_of_the_wikipedia_monument_in_slubice_-_unveiling_derhexer_05Sadly, the Watchtower’s prophetic illiteracy is also on full display in today’s text. The shroud or covering that is enveloping the nations does not signify inherited death. When something is covered in a shroud it is intentionally hidden —until the moment it is unveiled, such as when a public monument is unveiled. Certainly death has not been hidden from mankind, has it?

What is hidden then? Simply put: Christ. Of course, everyone thinks they know Jesus —including Jehovah’s Witnesses. But as shown above by the Watchtower’s own statements, Jehovah’s Witnesses are laboring under the insidious delusion that Jesus has already come —that their eyes have already been miraculously opened to the glorious presence of the Lord Jesus Christ by the Watchtower!

At this point there is nothing that anyone can do to break the spell the Watchtower has cast, for it is the very teaching of the Watchtower that has enveloped the nations; that is to say, the people from all nations who hope to survive the great tribulation. That is evident from the WT’s own commentary, which ascribes the banquet of Jehovah as an accomplished fact, from 1914 onward, of course.*

Only the actual coming of Christ can remove the veil that presently prevents the drunken banqueters from seeing a greater spiritual reality. But that the nations represent God’s people, and not all people of the nations, is evident by the context. First, though, consider the context: “In this mountain Jehovah of armies will make for all the peoples a banquet of rich dishes, a banquet of fine wine, of rich dishes filled with marrow, of fine, filtered wine. In this mountain he will do away with the shroud that is enveloping all the peoples and the covering that is woven over all the nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will wipe away the tears from all faces. The reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah himself has spoken it.”

The context has to do with the future blessing of people of faith and God’s removal of the reproach upon them. The end result of the removal of the veil is expressed by those who are then fully enlightened, as they exclaim: “Look! This is our God! We have hoped in him, and he will save us. This is Jehovah! We have hoped in him. Let us be joyful and rejoice in the salvation by him.” Surely, not even the most intoxicated celebrant would claim that the grand salvation of Jehovah has already been accomplished! 

The relative handful of persons capable of reasoning on matters now would do well to consider the implications of the manifestation of Jesus. By contrast, over the years the Watchtower has made thousands of references to the presence of Jesus and hardly a word about his manifestation and revelation. Although it is seemingly recognized that the manifestation and revelation of Jesus is a future event, far more importance is attached to his presence having supposedly already begun. (For a complete listing and comparison of verses relating to the presence, manifestation and revelation see the chapter entitled Parousia.)

But it is the future manifestation of Jesus that will lift the shroud that presently envelopes the future inheritors of the earth. Then will occur the revealing of the sons of God. Until then, though, the heirs of the Kingdom are, themselves, hidden in Christ, as Paul revealed to the Colossians: “For you died, and your life has been hidden with the Christ in union with God. When the Christ, our life, is made manifest, then you also will be made manifest with him in glory.”

Then the chosen ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.


*One of the first articles that appeared on e-watchman discussed the “envelopment,” which was interpreted as being the same as the Chaldean’s deadly fishing net that ensnares the nations during the conclusion. While the blast of the tyrants -a global genocide -is certainly the backdrop to which Christ is unveiled, that is not the envelopment that is enveloping all peoples and nations. Consequently, that article has been deleted from the Isaiah series. Consider this article a revision.

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  • LW

    Upon seeing the scriptural text I went back to read the context of the scripture and it definitely looked to be speaking about a future event. It seems that the reason the WT has interpreted the ‘envelopment’ to mean death, is because the next verse mentions about how God will swallow up death forever.

    • ewatchman

      You wouldn’t happen to be from Borea, would you?

      • LW

        Heheh i see what you did there ?

      • LW

        😉

      • Vilhelm Bock

        Berea or Beroea

        • Free at Last

          In the older spellings the ae and oe ligatures were quite common as in Aesop (pronounced Eesop) or Praetor (pronounced Preetor) – the oe ligature is commonly pronounced “ee” in English in most cases. Modern spellings usually reduce the older spellings of the ae and oe ligatures to simpy “e.”

          • Vilhelm Bock

            I love learning. 🙂

          • Burt Reynolds

            Diphthongs?

      • Burt Reynolds

        I don’t want to Beore you Robert….but….see below…..

    • DA

      my thoughts were also on that former article some

  • Beverly kenyon

    I’m just mentioning the Quote of the Day. Even way back in the Thirties they were they unwittingly pronounced judgement on themselves…it’s always someone else that’s evil and not them….they received the fundamentals of God’s Word but did not LOVE the Truth, fast forward down to our day and what they quoted way back then is so glaringly obvious by what we’re seeing by their practices. They’re giving advice to witnesses to stay away from the demon drink by misquoting scripture..it’s beyond laughable, when Jehovah condemns them as being spiritually sloshed. wasted, staggeringly drunk with power and completely delusional! But of course you will feel untouchable when you’re swanning around in your luxurious castle with its customised drain covers, Blue Lake and all the rest, built by the money, blood, sweat and tears of your R&F witness. That’s why I will not judge a single soul who leaves!

    • LW

      I find these quotes most interesting, particularly because at that time the journal was primarily for the edification of the little flock.

    • LW
      • Beverly kenyon

        So right about that LW. I love those historical quotes..it gives you a glimpse into the mindset of witnesses back…plus I love the thirties…I find that era fascinating…so much was happening!

        • LW
          • Beverly kenyon

            Sorry LW but I’m on my way to work now but wish you could see my face when I read that… I want to fight them! Speak later. Can’t believe what I just read…I’m going right off the thirties as we speak. Lol.

          • Beverly kenyon

            Am I reading about racial profiling? Take it Europe wasn’t the popular choice then! I’m not understanding about the Songs of the Bride LW. Interesting how you track down those archive material…it’s great reading that stuff and how bonkers some of it were!

            • LW

              No no no Beverly…having thought about that snippet that I sent you, I believe l have understood what they were trying to say, that how it would have been if the Gospel or the Kingdom message went into another part of the world (i.e. India or Asia), noting the characteristics of the people in that particular sector of the world. So it says perhaps it was divine providence that ordained it. As we are aware, the elect are selected from all branches of humanity. Jehovah has his reasons why he does things, even if we don’t understand at a certain moment, but eventually when the Master comes he will then bring out into the open things we have never even dreamed of.

              As for the songs of the bride, those were songs primarily meant for the anointed or Little flock. The songs were religious hymns from Christendom but the writers changed the words that were false in terms of Bible teaching and inserted the correct words to convey the accurate understanding from the Scriptures. The song in the screenshot was having to do with an anointed one possibly praying or asking for the holy spirit to be his/her guide to fully be in step with Christ. It’s very deep and gives us insight into the mind of an anointed Christian.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Quarrelsome, aggressive,selfish and dominating…you’ll find that every weekend once the beer starts flowing, every weekend here in Manchester and I dread what it’s like in Newcastle or Liverpool so yeah, I don’t think they were far off in their opinion LW. Lol. They didn’t hold back on how they viewed other races! I don’t really know if us Brits are Europeans?!?! Duh! Yeah, I thought the Songs of the Bride were exclusively for the Anointed of that time and to be sung just by them and I did give the lyrics the once over. Thanks for explanation and taking the time. Very interesting!

            • Peter

              Hi Beverly, Liverpool is no different to Manchester, especially once the beer starts flowing. Love reading all the comments from everyone, it’s upbuilding and strengthing.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Peter, yeah, half a lager and we’re fighting with anyone! Lol. It’s like a gladiator ring sometimes in the pubs & city centre!! Are you from Liverpool? Absolutely love Liverpool! Years ago we used to have our conventions in Everton (happy times), we used to go and have lunch on a park that was nearby in that area and I was baptised in Liverpool at one of those conventions…we had to go by a coach to some swimming baths where we were baptised, don’t know if you know where I mean. Within an hour of landing in Liverpool I’m talking like a proper scouser…I just pick the accent up quick. Lol. Brother King’s site is a real life saver and you’re right about everyone’s comments being upbuilding and strengthening…you realise that there’s a lot of others who think and feel and might’ve had the same experiences as yourself so you don’t end up feeling isolated and like you’re the only one who’s felt that way…you feel connected! Also the way Brother King has laid out his ‘stall’ invites you to read what’s written there…it’s very user friendly. Nice to hear from you Peter.

            • Peter

              Hello Beverly, thank you replying. Yes, from Liverpool area. I remember
              going conventions at the old Manchester City ground, Main Road in the 80’s,
              better times in some respects then. As for picking up the accent, scouser, even
              people from Northwich speak it well, even better than me! Nice hear from you,
              Beverly. As for Robert’s site, I read comments every day, it’s the one place
              find truth and lovers of truth, I’ve been around since 2005, reading all the
              info here, and your right, it’s the one place…feel connected. Good hear from
              you, Beverly.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow Peter, I remember going to the conventions at Maine Road in the late eighties. I was studying with the witnesses then. I remember having to walk through Fallowfield on the edge of Moss Side to get to the Grounds. There used to be so called ‘apostates’ outside with written signs and the two witnesses I studied with to make me walk really fast past them and told me not to even look at them! I remember thinking at the time…why, what’s so bad about them and that’s when I first heard that word apostate! Because I looked up to the two witnesses and trusted them I just thought they knew best, but I never forgot that incident. They also used to serve free hot meals for everyone…but as time went on that was stopped. You’re taking me back in time Peter and it feels a bit sad as so much has happened since. Anyway, on the bright side, we both found our way here to this site to learn real bible truths and that’s a good thing. Thanks Peter for introducing yourself. Stay in touch here from time to time if that feels okay with you.

            • Peter

              Beverly, I was studying with the witnesses then, too. And remember the same things you mentioned, walking through Fallowfield and the so called apostates outside, they told me same thing, don’t even look at them. Yes, they served free meals like curry and rice. It is sad looking back and witnessing so much change today. But the light is so much brighter here. Thank you!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Can’t believe we were both at the same convention way back when…it’s making me feel so nostalgic! Wow! Without seeming like a nosey neighbour you’ve got to tell me what is happening with you present day. Are you still a witness? Did you get baptised? Are you in a congregation? How did you find your way to this site? Now I am a nosey neighbour! Sorry! It’s late now so I’ll let you think about if you want to divulge. I won’t be offended at all. Sorry if I’m putting you on the spot..sometimes I lose my filter..if my friends heard me say, ‘sometimes’ they would cry laughing. Can’t believe I’ve made contact with someone who lives ‘down the road’.

            • Peter

              We sat at the same convention all those years ago, back in the 80’s. Some of the questions like why I found my way to this site might be better told off site. But what I will say, something very powerful brought me here like I knew before I found it, especially after searching and searching for truth. Something bad and nasty happened to me, and Jeremiah 5:26-27 best describes it, only I escaped the traps and those who set the traps fell into their own traps. Anyway, only thing dividing Liverpool and Manchester, is the M62.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Hi Peter. Very nice to meet you. Like Beverly, I don’t want to put you on the spot because you said that some things are probably best told off site, but you said a couple things that sound very similar to my experience. If you don’t feel comfortable talking about it, I really do understand. It’s just that I’ve never heard anyone else describe it in a way similar to the way I describe my experience, and I’m curious just how similar our experiences are.

              I’m mainly interested in why you said that something “very powerful” brought you here. The events leading up to it sound like they’re pretty personal, so by all means feel free to leave those details out. Was it a feeling? Did something just hit you? You also said “like I knew before I found it”. Could you explain that a little more?

              In my experience I had recently started looking for answers again, like I had done off and on over the years, never finding anything that made sense. In my searches I came across Robert’s site but nothing jumped out at me right away, although I liked it enough that I came back a couple times and read some more articles. In addition to Robert’s site, I also searched many more sites. His wasn’t the only one that I had gone back to multiple times.

              What happened next is what has me curious about why you used the words “very powerful”. One day at work, while listening to the radio and getting worked up over the election here in the U.S., something hit me. It was like a jolt, or a shock. The weirdest part is that I instantly knew what it meant. I didn’t hear any voices or anything like that. I just knew what it meant. The first thing it meant was to not get involved in the politics, and the second thing was to go to Robert’s site. I had no idea why, out of all the sites I had been on, that Robert’s was the one I needed to go to. It wasn’t long before the questions I had, for over 25 years, were answered. I finally understood what went wrong with 1914, and why the interpretation of Revelation we were given just didn’t make sense, no matter how many times I’d go to JW.org to reread it.

              Needless to say, I completely understand why I was directed here, and I would also describe the way I found this site as very powerful.

            • Peter

              Hi Alex, Nice meet you, too. I’ve often read your comments here, and will try answer your question better when I have more time, hopefully tonight my time when home from work or tomorrow. Till then, the truth is plain, simple and logical, not complicated or confusing, but if people are conditioned into believing lies then their logical perception will remain blind, until they allow their powers of reason do otherwise. Must go now, thanks for replying, and yes this site is very powerful with truth about God people in the past and today. Speak again Alex.

            • Peter

              Hi Alex, I had a bad experience happen to me. But after all the events I can only describe what felt like a light bulb switch on in my head, so needed find the answers. So felt a compelling force set me on a journey, like I knew what to look for, that’s the strange thing, or maybe somebody set me on the right path because I refused the bribes. After many months and long hours searching, I came across an article about Jehovah’s Witnesses and locusts, but it wasn’t something Robert wrote, but knew I was getting closer to the truth, locust plague not being the witnesses in Book of Joel so researched the witnesses and locusts, and eventually came across an article, Robert wrote. It jumped out at me straight away and couldn’t get enough of what I read knowing I had found truth at last, what I was meant to find, searching for treasure. The rest is history. So a powerful force led me but I had be prepared search for it. From there, I studied all the prophets and everything became more clear, about God’s people. So like you, I was directed here. And yes, it’s very powerful.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Thank you for sharing that. It’s amazing how Jehovah does things, isn’t it? It’s completely changed my perspective on things, especially now that I’ve started reading the Bible again. It’s one thing to believe, but to experience it for yourself really makes you pay attention. And it’s what I needed. Sounds like Jehovah was there for you too when you needed him most. I still sometimes wonder “why me”, considering how far off course I had wandered over the years. Then I read about Paul and I think “well, it’s not like I went around rounding up Christians” so I feel a little better lol. But it’s still a little weird…in a good way though. The feeling I get while praying or reading the Bible is something that I can only describe as Jehovah letting me know he’s there, if that makes sense. It’s very comforting. I’m glad you decided to start posting. I love hearing how people found this site, and even though it took a bad experience for you, hopefully others can find comfort in knowing that Jehovah truly does help those that are sincerely looking for help and answers.

            • Peter

              Welcome Alex. And thank you for replying and lovely remarks. It is amazing, isn’t it how Jehovah does things, it does change our perspective on things. I use to buy secular Bible based books on the history of the prophets and it’s so clear now like the secret is out and no longer hidden from us, whom the prophets are really talking about. It’s good turn things in the opposite direction and see it for what it really means. And yes, I wondered the same, ‘why me’ but perhaps our heart condition was in the right place, yes, it’s weired … in a good way. I’m glad, too I started posting after many years just reading. Mind I have posted in the past, but quite some time ago. Thanks again!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Some of them need rounding up!! Sometimes it’s not a bad thing to ‘wander’ 1914, it makes for a more ’rounded’ person, more empathetic to people who might’ve experienced a lot of things in this life and they can then relate to you and you to them and that makes the way for communication. I think you’ve progressed in love and faith for Jehovah immensely…you get your points across really well without coming across as religious crank or self righteous which can put people off the message you’re trying to get across and with some good humour. And it’s not weird how you feel regarding your relationship with Jehovah God…it’s the most natural feeling in the world…it really does make your heart sing or zing!! Which ever!

            • 1914for100Alex

              Thanks Beverly. You make a good point about the wandering. I can see how a lot of JW’s, especially those that were raised JW, may not be able to relate to some people. They only know things from one perspective. I’m just glad Jehovah saw something in me that made him step in and wake me up. Undeserved kindness doesn’t even begin to describe it.

            • Beverly kenyon

              1914, your wandering has given you a lot of life skills that you can use to get across the Kindom message. Us ex ‘worldly Ones’ know what it’s like out there! In God’s Word it talks about drawing close to Jehovah, James4:8, and that’s what you’re doing 1914…drawing close to him, also another scripture, 1Chronicles28:9, the second part says, Jehovah is searching for hearts and every inclination of our thoughts he is discerning and if you search for him he will let himself be found. I feel that scripture sums up what’s happening for you and because Jehovah so want you to succeed 1914 he gave you a helping hand by leading you here to complete your knowledge of him…he searched through you and saw you are sincere towards him…now it’s up to you what you do with that. In the book of Ecclesiastes it talks about a time for everything and when you were ‘wandering’ it wasn’t the right time for you but now it is. So don’t dwell on lost time, it’s what you’re doing in the here and now!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Peter, I appreciate you wanting to be private. Your story sounds so intriguing and a bit scarey! It sounds horrific about something nasty and bad happening to you. Hope you’re safe now. Of course you had me reaching for my bible to look up that scripture which I underlined as I might have to use it later…it’s one Brother King has quoted a few times but I forgot to write it down so that was a good reminder for me…so thanks for that. I hope Peter, things have settled down for you and you’re in a good place spiritually now. You’re right about the M62 being the only thing dividing Liverpool…I said that in a scouse accent, I can’t help it, lol…and Manchester. If ever you’re in Manchester visiting and you have to get to a KH, try Broughton KH, our meeting starts at 10.15am. There’s a family of five who travels from somewhere near Liverpool..I’ll try and find out where from…to come to our KH. The Family of five is related to the miserable Elder by marriage and he lives in Salford..I think Swinton…which is in our territory..their family is a bit complicated but apart from him the family is lovely!

            • Peter

              Hello Beverly, It was scary, and hurtful, especially when you are alone and faced with a group of people, or wolves. The best and only response was display the fruits of the spirit, they kept me safe. And the scripture from Jeremiah, it truly typifies God’s people back then and today, human nature hasn’t changed, but it is a good reminder. I can just hear your scouse accent all the way up the M62, Wow what a voice! Thanks for the invite visit Broughton KH, sounds good. Yes let me know where the family travel from, anyway, be nice to visit. So thanks again!

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s so sad reading what you had to go through alone Peter. Yeah,you’re right about human nature not changing. I hope things have settled down for you and it’d more peaceful. I’ll let you know where that family travels from…I don’t know how they do it, they must have to get up at the crack of dawn or sooner! And they always look fresh whereas, I look wretched and half dead…I am not a morning person! Lol. Not to worry Peter, soon we’ll all be put out of our misery one way or another!

            • Peter

              Lovely reply, and yes, it is sad read other people’s sad treatment at the hands of those who should know better, and how sad for those believing it’s a service to God. But God warns us, the power is in their hands do such unspeakable things, but like you said..’soon we’ll all be put out of our misery one way or another’ Okay, let me know where family travel from. So your not a morning person, especially when weather is cold and frosty like it is at the moment, it was very frosty this morning. Took me while de-ice the car windows.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I’ll let you know about them Peter. Did you say that you’ve been on Ewatchman since 2005..I didn’t understand what you meant. I remember at one of those conventions at Maine Road, I’m stood there with them during the break and they’re talking to an older couple they knew, I was introduced, said hello and the Witness (woman), just randomly said to me, ‘don’t ever let anything part you from the truth.’ I remember at the time thinking…mmmm, okay I promise I won’t, thank you very much…but to be polite I just smiled…but I never, after all this time forgot what that woman said, it was said with such sincerity and seriousness…strange. Another time, I was in Portsmouth as my mother lived there and I was visiting but I had promised I would make the Convention, I had to get the train, and it’s a long journey and I had the most horrific cough…I made it but a bit late and proceeded to cough my way through out the programme…I used to try so hard back then..I definitely wouldn’t do that now. I’ll let you know about the travelling family and where they’re from.

            • Peter

              Yes, I meant I have been reading articles here since around 2004/5. How odd is that, I remember somebody telling me same thing, during one of those conventions, ‘don’t let anything part you from the truth. Maybe it was a phrase they used at that time, for newly ones, train em up and ship them out, lol. Looking back life was so different, unlike today. Thanks for letting me know about the travelling family, where they are from. And maybe give me kh address, Manchester is a big place, could end up in Oldham, or Leeds, well maybe not Leeds, lol.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Can’t believe the same thing was said to you too! Euww, it sounds sinister and creepy! I’m amazed Peter, they didn’t shine a light in our eyes like the German might do with Cocheta one day! Lol. Yeah, train ’em up and ship ’em out just like a production line…next!! Wow, that’s amazing that you’ve been on Ewatchman since 2005. I was like 1914…wandering back then. Leeds is alright but you do not want to end up in Oldham..back of beyond! Yeah, I’ll give you those details when I get them.

            • Cocheta

              that German might very well pull my fingernails out! Okay, off to bed now………….night hunny bunny. Love you xoxoxoxo

            • Beverly kenyon

              Nite, love you. Xx

            • Peter

              Think your right, Oldham not great place end up. Cocheta, sounds fun…

            • Cocheta

              ooooh, don’t leave Cocheta out of the village chat, I went to Liverpool in the ’70s….to the Kop!!! Beat that! When Toshack, Keegan et al were playing a Derby with Everton. I think Paisley was manager then.
              And, and, and, I used to watch The Liver Birds & Bread, & I saw where the Beatles started off at the Cavern ……….and……. I took a wrong turning on the motorway driving to Liverpool once & ended up in Leeds……..oh, sorry, since this is not a serenely Scriptural comment I’ll just slope off back to my quiet lurking corner..
              ..whoops 😉
              Oh & my sister-in law who brought me into the truth by chucking a heap of mags & books at me down the spiral staircase & nearly putting me in a coma was from Liverpool – oh, well, she was actually born under the shade of Everton FC – you can’t win ’em all I suppose.

              *grins* Welcome Peter – great, we have a Manc & a Scouse here now, happy, happy, happy.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Cocheta, that’s fantastic especially how you came into the truth…a bunch of mags and books chucked at your head…she didn’t mess about! Those scouse girls are high maintenance…it’s full make up and hair just to go to the corner shop but so friendly! I’ve watched Bread..loved the Mother in it and Cocheta, you’re so right, you can end up in Leeds if you miss your turning on that stretch of motorway. I think you were in Liverpool at the right time, as so much was happening then with music and fashion and Disco’s…I bet you were a mod Cocheta! I’m not being cheeky Cocheta but you’ve been around! WoW! Now we need a Scot…you can go anywhere in the world and you’ll find a Scotsman…them and the Irish…they get everywhere! Lol. Cocheta, you really do make me laugh.

            • Cocheta

              I’m Irish by marriage if that helps!
              Yes, I was a mod, I had a boyfriend who had a scooter & he took me to Chester Zoo, we had the sheepskin coat ‘uniforms’ on & it poured & poured, I was drenched on the back of that wretched scooter all the way down the motorway from my home of 10,000 holes…never went out with him again, ruined my soft blue sheepskin it did! LOL

              I read all those books & mags within 2 weeks in my rented cottage in S Ireland at the time, there was a mouse family lived there too & they would sit on the mantelpiece warming their toes while I read the Bible to them. Nasty, ungrateful little creatures they turned out to be too because one night in the dark they knocked 2 of my little diamond rings down the back of the mantelpiece & the owner had to remove the whole fireplace to get them out.

              Yup, I’ve been around hahahaaaa

            • Beverly kenyon

              I can’t stop laughing at that story…you on the back of his scooter with your soggy sheepskin and did you have a beehive? I bet that was collapsed! I bet that boy was heartbroken that you dumped him…he’ll never forget you. Told you the Irish get around. I bet the owner thought, I can’t wait for this English girl to get back to 10,000 holes, bye, bye! You’ve had such an interesting life Cocheta. Boring you ain’t!

            • Cocheta

              yes, the boyfriend cleared off to work on the oil rigs last I heard – truly heartbroken!

            • Beverly kenyon

              He was heartbroken as he ran away to forget. Bet he was loaded..pay is good on the rigs..but not now cos weren’t they all laid off, but might pick up now that they’ve stopped production but it’s us drivers that will be paying the price! I didn’t know about you being a Countess! I’m going to have to watch my p’s and q’s! I’m eating a crusty cob…do you remember those, did you have them in 10,000 holes?

            • Peter

              Actually, I know an half Irish and Scots man….

            • Beverly kenyon

              Double Celt! Lol. Yeah, Peter, Cocheta is a fabulous woman!

            • Peter

              I’m the double Celt. Cocheta sounds fabulous, and she is funny, too

            • Beverly kenyon

              Oooops! Sorry Peter! I apologise to all Celts…I have a half Scottish brother and sister if that helps! Yeah, Cocheta is extremely funny!

            • Peter

              We’re all mixed in some ways…..it’s the breeding. People have no class anymore, lol

            • Peter

              Oooops! Sorry Beverly! My turn apologise for last comment.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry for what Peter? I know what you were trying to say. It’ll take more than that to offend me!! Lol. Don’t worry about it. I’m not that precious!!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Peter, As promised,in said I would find out about that family from Liverpool. Well it turns out they were from Liverpool but moved to Wigan and that’s where they now live and travel from to get to our Kingdon Hall. Also, I absolutely agree with you in that post of your’s where you say, while we have the time now it’s good to be mentally prepared..that’s a sensible thing to do.

            • Peter

              Hi Beverly, Thanks for getting back to me as promised about that family. I imagine the pies much better in Wigan than Liverpool, must be the only reason they moved. Joking aside!!! Again thanks. Wigan isn’t that far travel, they must like your kingdom hall, must be the atmosphere? And yes, it is good prepare now mentally while time allows, because it will be upon us much sooner than we know.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. The pies have got to be better than Liverpool because let’s face it, Wigan really is the back of beyond even though they had Wigan Pier and it was famous for Northern Soul..some people still do the dancing and wear the clothes from that time. Yeah, my Kingdom Hall has a nice spirit to it..the witnesses there really try, it’s very diverse. We’re very near the City Centre so people from those surrounding areas tend to be ‘real.’ Us mancs are similar to you scousers in that we’re pretty friendly but like I said before…half a lager and we’ll fight with anyone!! Lol. If ever you’re in Manchester and need a KH then our’s is worth a visit…just Google Broughton KH for the address. You’re so right Peter about being mentally and emotionally prepared for when the Carnage starts..things are fast moving and so temporary in this world.

            • Peter

              It makes perfect sense Wigan being the pie capital, I forgot about the Northern Soul, so its not just their pies that’s famous. Mind I hate pies. I like Northern Soul better. Glad your KH got nice spirit, mind don’t let them have half a lager, Lol! I will google, Broughton KH for address, thanks. Yes, things are moving fast now, and most people ain’t even aware, especially Jehovah’s people, nice they have you around, Beverly.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Do I get any points if I’m dating a Brit?

            • Cocheta

              huit points, Alex (8)

            • 1914for100Alex

              8?!? Wow! Thanks 🙂

            • Burt Reynolds

              Don’t believe it!

            • 1914for100Alex

              Wait. So I don’t get 8 points? What if I told you she likes malt vinegar with her fish and chips? Does that change anything?

            • Cocheta

              Dix points (10) the only way to enjoy fish & chips!

            • 1914for100Alex

              But it smells weird. We literally had a guy at a restaurant we were at wondering who took their shoes off. I had to hide the bottle so we wouldn’t get the evil eye!

            • Burt Reynolds

              You have restaurants in the United States ?!

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think 1914 is trolling the English sense of humour!!!! Surely he cannot be seriously questioning vinegar on his chips? (These Americans….what can you do?! ) I have written him a stern rebuttle of his etiquette failings so that he does not make these mistakes again in society, and defends the honour of his fine lady. Hiding the vinegar bottle indeed! Whatever next!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well 1914, the true Englishman …or even woman, though more delicate in her taste, would prefer White vinegar steeped in onions for six months, with a good combustion of sea salt to catch the back of the throat, rather than the make-do conceit of malt vinegar, the respite of the common riff-faff and whom clearly she is not! Obviously she feels the relationship between you both, as yet too new and too tenuous at present to introduce you to the finer cuisine of true nobility and which would surely be her preference. Clearly she is lovingly introducing your palate to fine cuisine at a pace you can accommodate. If by your rather questionable and erroneous Yankee palate you prefer the clear adulteration of mayonnaise, (or ‘Mayo’…sigh), used by the common Jonny Foreigner, then your clear American twang is showing and thus your English female companion would quickly turn her nose up at your noisome culinary habits. Clearly though she is of a forgiving nature otherwise you would have been socially cut forthwith. May I refer you to Lord Throckmorton’s Etiquette for Young English officers and Gentlemen 1864, and, so that you may understand your dear sweetheart more fully and avoid these social pitfalls, Lady Fortescue’s Etiquette for Gentlewomen. 1878, both of which fine tombs will be of fine venturesome enlightenment to you for your sojourn into the heart and mind of a young English lady. May I also recommend that you take heed of a later volume, (which surely given your epithet you must have imbibed), the 1914 edition of Tommy Watkins’ article found in the war-time trench magazine, The Wipers Times, 1917, on ‘Ah T’ Scoff Ya Blinkin Fishunchips Wivaught Videgar and Ovver Such Repast Indelicacies Whoyal In Da Trenches. I hope these jolly fine publications will help you in your courtship!

            • 1914for100Alex

              I will check out these publications, HOWEVER, I will be doing so with the knowledge that they were recommended by someone that has been known to turn down homemade apple pie whilst in America. Tsk tsk.

            • Burt Reynolds

              If you really want a horror of English fare, don’t try black pudding…..a sausage made solely of pigs blood and fat! Popular in the north of England. Then there is the Scottish haggis, whose ingredients are best not mentioned on this site.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Double yuck!!! I’ll take the malt vinegar lol. In my research on Scottish haggis I learned that it’s been illegal to import it to the U.S. since 1971. Why it took that long is a mystery to me!

            • Cocheta

              ho hum, you obviously didn’t research Haggis in the best places, Alex. Of course it’s illegal to import it, it is a protected species! They are a badger sized animal with short bristly hair covering rather like a pig.

              They are beautifully designed for their mountainous homes having shorter legs on one side of the body, generally the side they favour for running around the mountains after a mate. It follows that some have shorter legs on the left & some on the right. This is also why it is very difficult to catch them because the shorter legs make them more nimble.

              Their colouring also makes them hard to spot, being exquisite shades of autumnal heather & bracken.
              I have seen them occasionally in Fortnum & Mason & of course, in Harrods, but one does have to be under the personal recommendation of the Head of Depts there, that is, a person with the correct pedigree naturally, darling.
              Some of the wealthier Lairds in Scotland have license to shoot them on only one season of the year, the same as with grouse, i.e. starting August 12th also known as the ‘Glorious 12th’ for 121 days.
              Countess Cocheta of the Glencoe Estates.

            • 1914for100Alex

              They look delicious ; )

            • Peter

              I visited the Kop, too in the 70’s, watch the Liver Birds & Bread, They were funny, actually, you sound funny, too, Cocheta, nice meet you.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I take it you like football?

  • Burt Reynolds

    Is it not so that Jehovah is enlightening his people directly now, circumventing those prophets? Is this not also part of the day? Is the day figurative, or is it literal? So often the scriptures refer to days just as we do, and as the watchtower was so fond of pointing out…..’in my day we did this or that….’ The tyrant will be no more and the boaster will come to his finish…it’s ambiguous as to time is it not? The tyrant will…..the boaster will….come to his finish, not finished. It may be pedantics but the context points to the deaf prophets and then, that the dead ones will hear the words of the book. Surely the demise of the watchtower is over a period of time and many people are starting to hear now?

  • Searcher

    2Cor 3:15 is worth considering regarding the veil mentioned in Isa 25:7

    • DA

      “In fact, to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts.16 But when one turns to Jehovah, the veil is taken away.”

  • Besorongola Rainisoa

    Waow. Thank you so much brother.

  • DA

    hate to red marker your essay my brother but the WT wasnt implying here that death and sin was covered as hidden by the shroud but only that sin & death itself the covering shroud; the shroud being sin & death woven together to cover and envelop people and nations. the WT isnt implying that people an nations are hidden by it either but that they are entraped by sin and death like a shrowed cover. but this system of death an sin has taken away the knowledge of the “real life” Jehovah intended for us to live. so Satan’s operation can be likened to a shroud hiding truth from people and nations and causing a delusional influence about Jesus and his future parousia

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