Who will be able to stand when he appears?

//Who will be able to stand when he appears?

This is a consideration of the study material for the congregation Bible study covering chapter two of God’s Kingdom Rules!

DO YOU ever wonder what it might have been like to live during some great turning point in history? Many do. But consider: If you had lived in such a momentous time, would you have personally witnessed the key events that brought about change? Perhaps not. Events that spell doom for old regimes and fill the pages of history books often take place out of the public eye. In a sense, much of history unfolds behind closed doors—in throne rooms, in private council chambers, or in government offices. Nonetheless, such changes affect millions of lives.

2 What about the greatest event ever to occur in the history of the world? That event has touched millions of lives. Yet, it took place out of human view. We refer, of course, to the birth in heaven of God’s Kingdom, the long-promised Messianic government that will soon bring this whole world system to its end. (Read Daniel 2:34, 35, 44, 45.) Since humans did not witness that momentous birth, should we conclude that Jehovah hid the event from mankind? Or, rather, did he prepare his loyal people for it beforehand? Let us see.

Let’s face it. It is easy for someone intent on deception to “prove” that something occurred in the invisible realm. How could anyone disprove it? The answer is, only by painstaking research and acquiring insight into the prophecies —something that the Watchtower discourages Jehovah’s Witnesses from doing independently. Is it not true that the Watchtower exercises a total monopoly over the Scriptures? No one outside of the inner sanctum of Bethel can understand the Bible. Isn’t that  the state of mind with which Jehovah’s Witnesses have been inculcated? In time, though, I am confident that God’s people will recognize the Watchtower’s 1914 doctrine for what it is —one of the greatest hoaxes ever! And that realization will not come through mere study or research. It will come about when the powerful presence of Christ actually becomes a reality and shatters the Watchtower’s whitewashed wall!

The simple fact is, the Scriptures never speak of an invisible presence of Christ. As the very title of this blog post indicates, Christ is going to appear. Paul also wrote of the “second time he appears.” Whoever heard of an invisible appearance? It is nonsensical. 

What is going on, is that, Jehovah has carefully hidden the greatest event in human history. He has done so by allowing Satan to put into operation a fake parousia —what Paul called “a deluding influence.” That deluding influence emanates from a man of lawlessness, also known as the son of destruction —an obvious reference to Judas, one of Jesus’ handpicked apostles. Thus, the man of lawlessness, who ultimately will sit down as an enthroned god in the temple of God, is not an outsider who has no influence over the people who serve God in his spiritual temple. (The Watchtower cleverly teaches that the man of lawlessness merely claims to sit down in the temple.)

Paul went on to say of him: “But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.”

By allowing his people to come under “the operation of Satan” by their believing his lying signs and every unrighteous deception, as though it were God’s special truth that only they are privy to, those who otherwise know the truth are befuddled and blinded to the reality of the future coming of Christ; thus, God controls the revelation of the sacred secret. Why does God hide these vital matters from truth-seekers? It is because they are idolators.

Keep in mind that idolatry may not necessarily take the form of revering some religious object like a statue or relic. Anything that detracts from God’s glory or that becomes an object of devotion, is an idol. A person may claim godlike status and be worshipped, which is exactly what the man of lawlessness ultimately does. And because God’s people are under his deluding influence, attributing to him special powers to divine the truth as God’s earthly mouthpiece, from God’s standpoint it is idolatry.

That is subject matter of the 48th chapter of Isaiah. Speaking at a future point in time to those who swear by the name of Jehovah, God states: “Because I knew how stubborn you are —That your neck is an iron sinew and your forehead is copper— I told you long ago. Before it came about, I caused you to hear it, so that you could not say, ‘My idol did this; my carved image and my metal image commanded this.’ You have heard and seen all of this. Will you not declare it? From now on I am announcing new things to you, guarded secrets that you have not known. Only now are they being created, and not long ago, things that you never heard before today, so that you cannot say, ‘Look! I already know them.’ No, you have not heard, you have not known, and in the past your ears were not opened. For I know that you are very treacherous, and you have been called a transgressor from birth.”

The Watchtower idol claims to know all things —or at least it intimates that it is the source of all truth. (Does the Light Get Brighter?) The Keepers of the Idol —the Governing Body and their “helpers” —demonstrate that they are exceedingly stubborn. The publication God’s Kingdom Rules! is a testament to their treachery and obstinate refusal to forsake the lie, even after a century of failure!

So, the stage is set. When the Kingdom comes none of the exalted Bethel crowd will have a clue, as the saying goes. They will no longer be able to brag of their deep insights into the hidden secrets of God’s word. Jehovah will humiliate their idol. And the faith of Jehovah’s Witnesses will be put to the test.

As regards the first two paragraphs, how have events in 1914 “touched millions of lives”? Obviously, millions among the approximately one-billion souls who were on earth in 1914 were “touched” in varying degrees by the war in Europe. Many more millions were effected by the horrific Spanish Flu. But virtually all of those who lived then have passed away. No one living now was directly touched by the events of 1914-1918.

So, when the Watchtower claims that the birth of the Kingdom has “touched millions of lives,” a more truthful statement would be that the 1914 doctrine has touched millions of lives; namely, the millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses who are presently laboring under the delusion that the Kingdom began ruling the world in 1914!

“My Messenger . . . Will Clear Up a Way Before Me”

4 In the modern-day fulfillment, when did Jehovah, “the true Lord,” come to inspect those who were serving in the earthly courtyard of his spiritual temple? The prophecy explains that Jehovah would come with “the messenger of the covenant.” Who was that? None other than the Messianic King, Jesus Christ! (Luke 1:68-73) As the newly installed Ruler, he would inspect and refine God’s people on earth.—1 Pet. 4:17.

First, it must be appreciated that over the years, strand-by-strand, the Watchtower has tied a Gordian knot of intertwined prophecies that is virtually impossible for the average Jehovah’s Witness to untangle. Who has the time or the mental inclination to go through and sort out the knotted mess the Watchtower has made?

gordian-knotBut, let’s take it thread-by-thread. The coming of the messenger of the covenant results in “the sons of Levi” being refined. That much is true. The sons of Levi are representative of those who are anointed priests via the new covenant, of which Jesus is the mediator (messenger). Again, the Watchtower is correct. The purpose of Christ coming is for judgment. That much is indicated in verse five, which states: “I will come near to you for judgment, and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who take false oaths, against those who defraud the hired worker, the widow, and the fatherless child, and against those who refuse to help the foreigner. These have not feared me…”

Now it ought to be a simple matter to determine if Christ has already come for said judgment. Can the Watchtower point to any evidence that Jesus has become a swift witness against against the various kinds of evildoers among his people? The answer is a resounding no! But as long as the Watchtower stands in judgment of itself and pronounces itself to be righteous, there is little possibility that any of Jehovah’s Witnesses might have space enough to reason things out for themselves. 

Furthermore, when the messenger of the covenant comes “he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen. And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Levi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver…”

The analogy of clarifying persons from their spiritual impurities like a refiner processes gold and silver is not unique to the prophecy of Malachi. The first chapter of Isaiah uses the same analogy in reference to the prospective heirs of the Kingdom, saying: “I will turn my hand against you, I will smelt away your dross as with lye, and I will remove all your impurities.”

When does this refining process take place? Speaking to his watchman, Ezekiel, Jehovah said: “Son of man, to me those of the house of Israel have become as scummy dross. All of them are copper and tin and iron and lead in the midst of a furnace. Much scummy dross, that of silver, they have become. Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘For the reason that all of you have become as much scummy dross, therefore here I am collecting you together into the midst of Jerusalem. As in collecting silver and copper and iron and lead and tin into the midst of a furnace, in order to blow upon it with fire to cause a liquefying, so I shall collect them together in my anger and in my rage, and I will blow and cause you people to liquefy. And I will bring you together and blow upon you with the fire of my fury, and you must be liquefied in the midst of her. As in the liquefying of silver in the midst of a furnace, so you people will be liquefied in the midst of her; and you will have to know that I myself, Jehovah, have poured out my rage upon you.’”

The purpose of God in collecting and “liquifying” his people is in order to skim off the scummy dross —which in the literal refining process left behind pure gold or silver. Thus, although Jehovah intends to pour out his rage, it is not intended to destroy his people entirely, but to cleanse them of their error. But is this something that has already been accomplished? Well, did Jehovah pour out his rage in 1914 or any time since then? Of course not.

Furthermore, the prophecy of Zechariah, which was written after Jehovah had poured out his wrath on literal Jerusalem by means of the destruction Nebuchadnezzar wrought, points forward to an ultimate refining that immediately precedes the final confrontation. Zechariah 13:8-9 foretells: “And in all the land,” declares Jehovah,Two parts in it will be cut off and perish; and the third part will be left remaining in it.  And I will bring the third part through the fire; and I will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Jehovah is our God.’”

The prophecy of Zechariah confirms that the refining foretold in Malachi is the end of the matter. The result of the cleansing is the complete accomplishment of Jehovah’s purpose to create a people for himself. Beyond that point there is no longer any teaching or disciple-making work.

5 Who, though, was the other “messenger,” the first one mentioned at Malachi 3:1? This prophetic figure would be on the scene well before the Messianic King’s presence. In the decades before 1914, did anyone “clear up a way” before the Messianic King?

6 Throughout this publication, we will find answers to such questions in the thrilling history of Jehovah’s modern-day people. This history shows that in the latter part of the 19th century, one small group of faithful people was emerging as the only body of genuine Christians in a vast field of imitations. That group came to be known as the Bible Students. Those taking the lead among them—Charles T. Russell and his close associates—did, indeed, act as the foretold “messenger,” giving spiritual direction to God’s people and preparing them for the events ahead. Let us consider four ways in which the “messenger” did so.

laodicean-messengerThere is no “other messenger.” This is probably one of the most ridiculous and dishonest things the Watchtower has come up with in recent years, all for the purpose of sanctifying C.T. Russell as the special messenger sent from God. (In actuality, the notion that Russell was a special messenger is not new. The International Bible Students at first proclaimed Russell to be the faithful and wise servant. Then they settled on bestowing upon him the title of the Laodicean Messenger —that, because Laodicea was the last of the seven congregations to whom Christ sent his messenger, his angel. Ironically, it was in connection to the blind among the Laodicean congregation that Christ wrote the following: “Because you say, ‘I am rich and have acquired riches and do not need anything at all,’ but you do not know that you are miserable and pitiful and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may become dressed and that the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed, and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see.” How well that pitiable spiritual condition describes the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses today, who claim to “see” and who “have acquired riches and do not need anything at all.”)

In truth, the messenger whom Jehovah sends to clear up a way before him is the same messenger of the covenant who comes to the temple. That is evident from the prophecy of Isaiah that uses the very same symbolism. Isiah 40 reveals that the command to clear a way before Jehovah comes after the chastisement. And the immediate result of the clearing away of falsehood and error results in the glory of Jehovah being revealed. Needless to say no such revelation has taken place yet.

Worshipping in Truth

10 As its full title suggested, the journal Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence was deeply concerned with prophecies pertaining to Christ’s presence. The faithful anointed writers who contributed to that journal saw that Daniel’s prophecy regarding the “seven times” had a bearing on the timing of the fulfillment of God’s purposes regarding the Messianic Kingdom. As early as the 1870’s, they pointed to 1914 as the year when those seven times would end. (Dan. 4:25; Luke 21:24) Although our brothers of that era did not yet grasp the full significance of that marked year, they proclaimed what they knew far and wide, with long-lasting effects.

20There is no question that the Bible Students were zealous. And there is no dispute that the overturning of Christendom’s false doctrines was an important and vital work to undertake. But earnestness and sincerity are not what determines what is true. After all, churchgoers may earnestly believe that Jesus is God, or that God tortures the souls of the damned in Hell.

As regards Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence the Governing Body would have Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that C.T. Russell was pointing forward to 1914 as the beginning of the parousia. That is simply not true, and Bethel knows it. Russell had convinced his followers that an invisible presence of Christ began in 1874. That is when the first group of Bible searchers got together and agreed on what was the truth. Apparently, Russell felt as if that Bible study group experienced Christ in their midst in some special way.

Although most of Jehovah’s Witnesses have no idea, the 1874 date for the beginning of the parousia remained the Watchtower’s official doctrine long after 1914. Although there is some confusion on the matter, it appears that the parousia was not officially reset to 1914 until about 1940! It is simply incredible that the most important event in the history of the world has been so hard for the Watchtower to definitively nail down!

It is most noteworthy that the Watchtower has never pointed forward to the coming of Christ to commence his presence among the sons of the Kingdom. From the very beginning the parousia has been presented as an ongoing phenomenon. Not coincidently, the man of lawlessness, through talks and official letters, proclaims that the presence has begun and the day of Jehovah is here.

What is more, the end of the appointed times for the Gentiles to trample Jerusalem was believed to be the end of the nations altogether —the end of the world. And amazingly, Russell was right! It has only been in the decades since the big disappointment of 1914 that the Watchtower concocted the notion that the end of the appointed times for the nations to trample Jerusalem was merely the beginning of an invisible presence of Christ in Kingdom power. (There is not enough space in this post to present the true scriptural meaning of the trampling of Jerusalem, but numerous articles have been published on this site and in the book that set the matter straight.)

13 Consider this: Would people have been prepared for the beginning of Christ’s presence if they were not able to distinguish Jesus from his Father, Jehovah? Surely not! Nor would they have been prepared if they thought that immortality was the automatic possession of all and not a precious gift bestowed on only relatively few of Christ’s footstep followers; nor if they thought that God tormented people in hellfire for all eternity with no hope of relief! Without doubt, the “messenger” prepared the way for the Messianic King!

As already pointed out, the Bible Students were not expecting the the beginning of Christ’s presence. The Watchtower is playing fast and loose with the facts. And ironically, because of the Watchtower’s doubling down on 1914, as in their recent proclamation that God’s Kingdom rules! – neither are Jehovah’s Witnesses now prepared for the beginning of Christ’s presence! That is why Malachi poses the unsettling question regarding the sudden arrival of the messenger: “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears?”

2017-04-17T17:53:22+00:00 October 3rd, 2016|WT Review|70 Comments
  • i can hardly face Jehovah already in my prayers having fits of anger half the time and just being a sin after another. this lifes just stupid.

    • Nigel

      Are you baptised?

      • if you observe my history then you’l see that i am a
        dedicated servant of Jehovah

        • Nigel

          If your dedication to Jehovah has resulted in you becoming baptized then rejoice! Your sins have been completely forgiven (Acts 3:19, Eph 1:7)! You no longer need to carry around a burden of guilt; Jesus has taken care of that for you. Your sins (past, present & future) are freely forgiven. Furthermore, your baptism enables you to freely approach the Heavenly Throne at any time to find the mercy & grace you require (Heb 4:16). If you honestly & openly confess your shortcomings & weaknesses to Jehovah in prayer, He is faithful & just to forgive you AND cleanse you from ALL unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). In addition to that, if you haven’t already done so, you should ask Jah for His Holy Spirit (Luke 11:11-13). Amongst other things, the Holy Spirit will help you put to death your fleshly desires as it gives you strength, wisdom & direction in navigating this world (Rom 8:13). As you walk in the Spirit, you will find the fruit of the Spirit shall come forth in your behavior (Gal 5:15-26, see also Romans 8:14) and you shall actually be living/fulfilling 2 Cor 3:18 in your own life. I apologize if this seems very elementary but perhaps it’s timely… …All the best…

          • Annie

            what a wonderful reply, Nigel

          • LW

            Well said.
            I find it rather interesting that you have a picture of Aslan the lion as your profile pic, since apparently that character is supposed to be symbolic of Jesus Christ.

    • Apple Pi

      I agree, this life is stupid and hard to deal with on a daily basis. I’m sure Jehovah is hearing your prayers. Ezekiel 9:4, “Jehovah
      said to him: “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on
      the foreheads of the men who are sighing and groaning+ over all the detestable things that are being done in the city.” Sighing and groaning over what’s going on is a good thing. Yesterday, the WT study stirred up a lot of bad memories, making me feel pretty terrible. In the evening, I was in town to meet my daughter for dinner at a restaurant. I got there way too early, so I sat outside the restaurant waiting for her. A very unusual thing occurred. A man was approaching people on the street to ask them something. They would say no, and hurry away. The man approached me and asked if he could tell me a poem. I said sure. He recited a very short, but inspirational poem that he wrote, then asked me if I had any coins I could spare. I had no coins on me, but my heart was motivated to share some currency. The man was shocked and surprised and very grateful. I forget exactly how the conversation went, but I asked him if he had a Bible at home. He said he had two Bibles, a Lutheran Bible and the Jehovah’s Witness Bible. We went on to have an outstanding conversation, one of the best I have ever had. He has issues with some of the things JW’s believe or have taught, and I was able to discuss those things with him openly and honestly. Of course, if an elder had been within earshot that would have been the beginning of the end for me. This man has such a strong faith in Jehovah and Jesus. He has a little understanding of the book of Revelation and understands that WWIII is already taking place. I am preparing myself in case I should meet up with him again, I have the e-watchman.com address written on a Post-it note and will invite him to look up the site at our local library, where he can get free Internet access. It was pretty awesome to have this opportunity to have a Bible discussion with someone like this. I’ve never been able to have this kind of discussion with any of the local JW’s. This experience turned a crummy day into a really good one. I have been praying for months in regard to being able to have a meaningful Bible conversation with someone and this is the second experience I’ve had so far this year. The experiences may be few and far between right now, but I have a feeling that may change in the near future. I hope things look up for you soon, and pray that Jehovah will give you endurance.

      • Bobby 6343

        I have enjoy your story! Most of us on this site have similar experiences. I too have been bless by Jehovah to have honest and meaningful bible conversations with many.

        I have given them this site, in order for them to draw their own conclusions. I want them to be independent and to think and discover for themselves.

        It feels so good when one is able to impart true bible prophesies.

        Thank you for sharing.

  • 1914for100Alex

    Can anyone give me a rundown of how things work at the Kingdom Hall nowadays? When I used to go it was Sun, Tues, Thurs. From what I’ve seen on here it looks like maybe it’s only two times a week now? How long are the meetings on each day and are the talks the same throughout the U.S. for Sundays? Do they post what the talks are going to be about? I kind of lost it last night and filled my girlfriend in on some stuff. She knows I used to be a Witness, but that’s about it. I’ve never talked to her about what I’ve seen on here but we were talking about world events last night and I couldn’t contain myself. She knew something was wrong so I had to tell her what it was. She’s agreed to study the Bible with me, and said she’d be willing to possibly go to the meetings, but I’m worried it’s just to make me happy. I hope there’s more to it eventually. I hope I can get through to her before it’s too late. Any help on how to prepare for what to expect if we do go would be appreciated. And sorry for the long off topic post Robert, but I really need the help. Thanks.

    ETA: I’m going to go to a book store on my lunch break and pick up some Bibles and hopefully a copy of My Book of Bible Stories for us to look at. Any other recommendations? Insight book, Message Boble (is that by the JW’s?) Anything else? I hope I can find these easy enough. Sorry I didn’t wait for your email teply Robert. Not sure if you even got to it yesterday afternoon, but she knew something was wrong. I had to say something. So far I haven’t scared her away, so that’s good, but I know she won’t deal well with what’s coming and I had to imply that that’s what had me so upset. I literally had a mini nervous breakdown I think. But she’s willing to study, so that’s good. I could really use your advice when you get to my email. Thank you.

    • 1914for100Alex

      Unbelievable. The book store is permanently closed. I’ll have to try another one later on. I notice some people quote Bibles other than the NWT. If I can’t find one of those today, are there any other ones that are acceptable for teaching? I really wanted her first introduction to John 1:1 to be the correct translation, and then explain why there are other variations. I feel pretty confident with how to teach her about the trinity being a lie, but the less stumbling blocks, the better. Thanks.

      • Bobby 6343

        Just download the JW app. and you can download many different version of the bible!

        • 1914for100Alex

          Thank you for the reply. I guess that could work for the time being, but I’d really like to get my hands on some physical Bibles. All I have is my phone, so it’s not the most convenient way to study, but yeah, it’ll work for now. Thanks.

      • sally

        Hi ALex, don’t panic your making a start and the fact that your girlfriend has agreed to study with you is really good news! You said she didn’t come from a religious background, well that is a very good start. Either did I, so came in with a blank slate so to speak. My study sister said people with a religious background where they had things like the trinity indoctrinated in their head take much longer and often struggle to the point of not accepting the truth at all even after lots of studies of the bible. I was grateful that my mind was open and I did not have that going on in my head as it was so much easier to grasp the basic facts without baggage. Your girlfriend hopefully will benefit from a non religious background to.

        • 1914for100Alex

          I’m panicking like it’s 1975 lol. You’re right that it probably is a good thing that she doesn’t have any long held beliefs that could get in the way. I’m just praying she likes learning this information. She’s not starting a study because she’s necessarily interested. But maybe she is and I’m not picking up on it. I was a mess last night.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Alex, separate your emotion from your knowledge. The bible does not play on the heart strings, but on reasoning. Jesus was calm and controlled, even when he threw out the money changers from the temple. We all want our loved ones who are not witnesses to come to know Jehovah. When the concentration camps were liberated at the end of the war, those that stuffed themselves on the good food offered them died because of lack of control after years of suffering through starvation. Their body could not take it. Those that pecked at the food and nibbled, gradually built up their strength and grew strong until they were able to take a full meal again. If you provide sound mature advice from the bible, in a reasoned way, as did Christ, then, if the truth is in her, she will follow, just as the great shepherd said.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Great advice as usual, Burt. Thanks to you and everyone else for helping put things in perspective.

      • Searcher

        Hi Alex, you can download the NWT and scores of other JW publications from jw.org in a number of different electronic file formats, pdf etc. I suggest you download the JW app to read the NWT. One thing you will notice that has changed at the meetings in the last few years is alot of brothers and sisters now use tablets and smart phones instead of printed publications, myself included. I don’t need to rock up to the hall with a silly looking business brief case just my phone or tablet.

        Another excellent resource is Bible Gateway, there are multiple bible translation to choose from and compare, there is also a bible gateway app available for smart phones and tablets all free.

        I buy all my hard copy bibles from:
        I would recommend the ESV and NLT but compare for yourself on bible gateway before shelling out any cash.

        • 1914for100Alex

          I remember all those brief cases 🙂 Wow. That gave me a flashback. I’ve heard of Witnesses using phones and tablets while doing field service, but I had no idea it had spread to the Hall. But hey, why not?

          I did manage to find a NWT at a different bookstore last night. I was Black soft bound 1984 edition. That’s what I used to read as a kid, so I was hoping to find that version for starters. It was the only NWT there, other than some giant ones that were broken down into four books because they’re so huge. My eyesight’s not that bad yet! And thanks for those links. I will definitely check them out.

    • LW

      Public Talk – (30 min.)

      WT Study

      Mid week meeting – new format

      Christian Life and Ministry

      Then, the third day would be used as Family Worship. Any time that’s convenient for you would work.

      You can find the outlines on the JW app.

      Only the NWT is by JWs.

      I understand how you feel…it’s like none of us can truly comprehend the magnitude of what’s coming. At the very least though at least you have an idea. There’s so many people out there who really don’t know what’s truly happening here.

      The Final Deception is coming…and even the WT has warned about this in their 7/15 study article.

      • 1914for100Alex

        Thanks LW. I’ll check out the outlines. I’m literally sick to my stomach over this. What if I waited too long? I wanted a better understanding before I brought it up, but now it’s hitting me really hard as I see things play out. I don’t think I can do this without her.

      • 1914for100Alex

        I realize a crash course isn’t going to cut it, but any advice on specific scriptures that might hit home a little harder than others to start out with would be appreciated. Maybe something to really get her thinking. I’m awful at this. I have some ideas but I’m not going to be able to pull this off alone. She doesn’t come from a religious background at all.

        • Daisy

          Alex. . .please take it easy there!. For what its worth, if I were you I’d start at the very beginning, (that’s a very good place to start)…gen1:1. You have a whole months study & research on just that very first sentence, researching time, space & matter.
          Just go with the flow after…God having a name, purpose, Sovereignty & all that means. Gen 3:15 will lead you to revelation & all that we’ve got to look forward to I’d keep quiet about until you gauge her interest/concern. Trust in that part of God within her to activate & more than that …remember… You can do all of this through Him who gives you strength.
          As for attending meetings…go in with a smile & just soak up some holy spirit…its there for the taking.
          Personally, I’d need to be sectioned if I had to study the Kingdom Rules book.
          Be thinking of you & prayers are not bad to say either. Best wishes Alex…& take it easy huh? Great granma Daisy…

          • 1914for100Alex

            Thanks granma! I’d be lying if I said I didn’t get a little misty eyed reading that. Just a little though. Probably just something in my eye now that I think about it 😉 I’ve been reading My Book of Bible Stories from time to time on my phone, and maybe starting at the beginning with Genesis would be a good way to gauge her interest. She came with me to the Noah movie, so we’ll have some common ground there. From there we could go more in depth with what the scriptures say. And believe me, I’ve been praying. Non stop. I’m really hoping all this commotion on the world stage is a way to wake people like me up. A little jolt to take the proper steps and help others.

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Granma Daisy!

            • Daisy

              Burt…I think Alex prefers my comment hahaha, even though it doesn’t make much sense to me reading it this morning! Me & my chemo head, it feels fried inside AND out.
              My meaning was to take in the faith- building basics.
              Catch you on Messenger Burt?

            • Burt Reynolds

              I’m sure he would Daisy. My parents were all stiff upper lip, be a man, pull yourself together and just get on with it….I even recall visiting my father in hospital on my way home from school on the day he died….I gave him a kiss, he told me to ‘be a man, my son,’ and waved goodbye. You would have thought he was off on holiday. I didn’t have a clue. He was a Freemason too, but I didn’t find that out until I was incarcerated at the Masonic boarding school in Watford six months later. That’s when I started praying I can tell you! So I ‘done alright’ cos I’m still praying. Enough reminiscing!

        • Annie

          As Daisy said, take it easy! Just chill out about it, the tribulation won’t start tomorrow. As others have said you can download anything you need from the jw.org site. You don’t need to worry about books other than a Bible each & a songbook – all available online if you need them. When you go to your first public talk you can each get a copy of the new silver bound Bibles, which are very beautiful – you can actually twist them & they don’t damage, so you can ‘twist the Scriptures anyway you like’ (big wink there as the public tell us we twist Scriptures to suit ourselves!) You will also get a songbook each from the KH, that along with the WT & Awake mags are really all you need.

          If you read on the Perimeno site http://perimeno.ca/Prophecy.htm there are prophecies we need to take notice of & some we don’t, but the main message there is just ‘wait on Jehovah’ because panicking about things will not change the outcome.

          Start at the beginning in Genesis & learn how Jehovah created all things – don’t skip to Revelation & cheat, just do the basics, remember you can choke a starving man with too much food! If your girlfriend isn’t from a religious background don’t over-face her, take it steadily. Enjoy learning together. xoxoxo

          • 1914for100Alex

            Thanks Annie. Silver Bibles? Oooo! Shiny! I’ll have to look into those. I cheated a little and mentioned some stuff in Revelation, but hopefully I didn’t do any damage. Thank you for the link too. It helped reading that.

        • LW

          A good one is 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

          1 John 5:19

          Revelation 12:9

    • Apple Pi

      Here’s a suggestion, make arrangements for some sisters to study with your girlfriend, so she can get a good foundation, then you can fill her in on the weightier things once she has built the foundation. That’s kind of how I have approached things with my own daughter. She started out having a Bible study once a week with a sister who lives nearby. Eventually she started going to Sunday meetings, and this year she graduated to including Thursday night meetings. She’s forming relationships with the brothers and sisters at the hall, but at home is where she gets instruction about what’s really going on. I didn’t flood her with the truth about 1914 and all that involves, but gradually introduced the information to her. I teach her how to reason on the scriptures, such as 1 Corinthian 11:26 and she gets it. Based on the comments I see here on e-watchman, there’s a whole new generation of Christ’s followers who are learning Bible truth from the Kingdom Hall and this site, at the same time. I regularly discuss problematic things with her. For example, I asked her how she felt when she saw the video at the convention where the DF’d daughter tries to call her mom, and the mom rejected the phone call. I explain why the governing body put out a video like that and then we reason on the scriptures in regard to how Jehovah and Jesus feel about these things. I remind my daughter all the time that as long as we exercise faith and trust in Jehovah and Jesus, we’re going to be okay. Isaiah 28:16, “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says:

      “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a tested stone,
      The precious cornerstone of a sure foundation.

      No one exercising faith will panic.”

      • 1914for100Alex

        Thank you for the advice Apple Pi. I’m afraid she’s probably going to have to start out with me for the time being. I think having people that she doesn’t know go over these things with her would make her uncomfortable. At least in the beginning. I need to gauge her interest and go from there I think. She’s potentially willing to go to the KH, but she knows, from a while back, that I have issues with some of their teachings and policies. She doesn’t know anything specific, but I’m sure it would come up. I really think I have to take it slow with her. We talked last night and I get the impression that she’s not going to just jump right in. The life she’s used to is not standard JW, but her heart is beyond what Jesus expects from us, all on her own. Without ever learning it from the Bible. I’m hoping that that helps her understand Jehovah. Oh, and she made me promise that we’re not building any Armageddon bunkers 🙂

        • Apple Pi

          No worries, whatever works for the two of you.

    • 1-Corinthians 7:32-34

      I want you to be free from the concerns of this life. An unmarried man
      can spend his time doing the Lord’s work and thinking how to please him. But a married man has to think about his earthly responsibilities and how to please his wife. His
      interests are divided. In the same way, a woman who is no longer
      married or has never been married can be devoted to the Lord and holy in
      body and in spirit. But a married woman has to think about her earthly
      responsibilities and how to please her husband.

      • 1914for100Alex

        I remember them pushing the single life when I was going. Seemed weird cuz there were so many married people there, but yeah, having a significant other can complicate things. My situation is bad enough. I can’t imagine spouses that are both Witnesses taking opposite sides when this all goes down. It’s going to be heartbreaking to say the least. The only bright side for me is at least I might be able to convince my girlfriend of what I’m reading here when she’s ready. She’s taken a bit of an interest, but it’s still early. We’ll have to see where it goes.

        I’ll have to check out the NLT translation issues.

  • 1914for100Alex

    I’d like to thank everyone for their help yesterday and encourage some on topic posts to this article Robert wrote if you have anything to add. I apologize again for completely derailing it and wish I had something of value to add myself, other than “another great article Robert!”. Considering how off topic I went, a comment like that doesn’t even come close to making up for what I did. Thanks for letting me let this stuff out.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Remember that the shepherd left his 99 other sheep to go after the one that was lost. Though not lost, the principle still applies. All written on this site is worthless if not put into action and tested in love toward Jehovah and his people. You, we, are blessed by the outworking of this principle. Had you not been listened to in your need, then of what good is our learning? Of what depth is our love? Of course you were listened to. Your ‘off topic’ was our opportunity to reflect that love for the one, and if we had failed, we condemn ourselves. When the time comes that we all know not what to do, and go ‘off topic’ I pray that someone will be there for us all.

      • 1914for100Alex

        Thank you Burt. I wish I could say it in person. You’re a true friend and I can’t wait to get the chance to meet you, and all my other friends here. This is how a congregation is supposed to work. You’re always there with the right words to say. With every comment you post, it’s clear why you were in the profession you were in. I have a feeling they have no idea how lucky they were to have you. But the people you helped know it. No doubt there are people all over England that still think of you, many years later.

  • Daisy

    Thank you Robert for splicing through the WT Gordian knot and lovingly sharing your boldness!
    What a MESS!
    Only you have ” the mental inclination to sort out the mess” …benefitting us all so greatly.
    We are so happy and grateful for all your hard work & dedication to expose the Truth. Sincerely, Daisy…

  • Anderiega

    Great article. I had to read it several times. It’s so funny how it can be so simple if we let it, but WT thrives on complexity and knots. Just for my own clarity and “repetition for emphasis”
    1) There are NOT two different “messengers.
    2) Jesus is THE messenger
    3) The messenger hasn’t come yet.

    When I was a little girl, I’d get my necklaces in horrible knots. I didn’t have the patience to untangle them. I’d give them to my Dad and he’d always successfully untangle the chains without breaking them. You remind me of my Dad in this regard Robert. Very patient. Some people would rather yank the chain apart and start over, but you use your tweezers and delicately unravel this big mess for us. Thank you.

    • danart

      I comment just once in a while here, but being eager everyday student present as many others with such an appreciation towards God for this spiritual asylum provided here.
      My inner and deep hope is, this work will continue until the authentic second coming of Him.
      And I’d like to thank you for your almost poetical way of expressing yourself what has brought so much joy and refreshment to my soul in just a few words of yours

      • Anderiega

        Wow. Thank you. You literally made my day. Words truly can be like a refreshing glass of water in a desert, and you just helped me get back on my camel and carry on. (I had a brutal night at work… sometimes it seems like whenever life is going semi smooth, Satan never ceases to jam things up. But today is a new day and I’m rehydrated!)

  • Anderiega

    Can I please just be “invisibly present” for the meetings that consider this book??!

    • ewatchman

      Now THAT is funny! Thanks for the belly laugh

    • Burt Reynolds

      Come again?

      • Anderiega

        I was making a funny….”invisible presence at the Kingdom Hall” ?…but since we all know that’s not a thing, I’ll just go and practice developing the fruitage of the spirit.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Me too…….the invisible presence, the coming again that the watchtower promote….hence the pun….come again? Sigh…you Americans….too slow off the mark!?

          • Anderiega

            Wow…. lol. I fumbled that ball. Lol.

            • Joe Dman

              Don’t feel bad, I was wondering why he didn’t get it either. Jokes on us.

  • Anderiega

    Hey, at least I can agree with paragraph 14 of the book.

    “And what about us today? What can we learn from our brothers of more than a century ago? We likewise need to be avid readers and students of God’s Word. (John 17:3) As this materialistic world becomes emaciated, spiritually speaking, may our appetite for spiritual food grow ever stronger! (Read 1 Timothy 4:15)”

    Yep…I’m very thankful we have a similar Bible study group, albeit online, to be just that: avid readers and students of GOD’S WORD.

  • Anderiega

    I’m confused again regarding Malachi 3:1. I was talking about the lesson with a smart bible person and she said that there are 2 messengers because of the cross reference in Matthew 11:7,10….where Jesus refers to John as “my messenger.” Help!! Is it possible that Russell and the other students were like John the Baptist, or perhaps this scenario will happen in the near future? Is there only one messenger?….. Jesus?

    • ewatchman

      You have to appreciate that the cross references of the NWT are intended to support the Watchtower’s interpretations and doctrines. Sometimes they omit somethings though. For example, the gospel of Mark opens by referring to John the Baptist as the messenger, however, Mark specifically cites Isaiah as the prophecy, not Malachi. Here, check it out http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/41/1#study=discover

    • Bklyn Kevin

      3 “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.

      Malachi 3:1-A) “Look! I am sending my messenger and he will clear up a way before me.,
      [= John the Baptist ]

      Luke 1:76-77. But as for you, young child, you will be called a prophet of the Most High, for you will go ahead of Jehovah to prepare his ways.

      Luke 1:76. But as for you, young child, [= John the Baptist ] you will be called a prophet of the Most High, for you will go ahead of Jehovah to prepare his ways, to give knowledge of salvation to his people by forgiveness of their sins

      So: John as a messenger and a prophet went ahead of Jehovah as instructed to prepare the way for Jesus the mediator of a new covenant which was a massage for the 144,000 prospective sons of GOD.

      Is John a messenger? YES.
      messenger-meaning 1 a person who carries a message or is employed to carry messages.

      Is John the mediator of the new covenant? NO, John just delivers the message as to prepare the way.

      1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and “one mediator” between God and men, “a man, Christ Jesus”.

      1 Corinthians 11: He did the same with the cup also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.

      Malachi 3:1-B) And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;

      Malachi 3:1-C) and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.

      Now If Russell is a messenger as the watchtower exclaims how is it that the scriptures make no specific mention of him like they did in Johns case ?.

      • 1914for100Alex

        Kevin, I realized a little while back that you make your profile private. I suspect it was to cut down on potential drama by people wanting to argue with you. I respect that, but as you prove time and time again, your comments and scriptural knowledge are too valuable for others not to have access to them. I’d like to ask that you reconsider. If not, I understand. Thanks.

        • Daisy

          I’ve been wanting to bring the same sentiments out Alex.
          I have been trawling through Kevin’s comments lately & giving up when I can’t find them amongst , say, a hundred other comments.. Its far easier to tap on to the Disqus comments to see the scriptural backing behind all of Kevin’s posts..that’s for sure. So I’m supporting you Alex, to say…please kevin, reconsider giving us all access once again..thank you…Daisy

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Yes you’re absolutely right, I was trying to avoid more drama and I didn’t even realize I had caused a hindrance. Sorry!…..
          However I see your point and the scriptures principle agree with your thought and I opened my profile. Thank you guys for letting me know.
          Luke 11:33.
          After lighting a lamp, a person puts it, not in a hidden place nor under a basket, but on the lampstand, so that those who come in may see the light.

          • 1914for100Alex

            Thank you very much. I’m sure Daisy and I aren’t the only ones that have missed being able to go through your comments. They’ve helped me greatly through this journey.

      • Anderiega

        Thank you. I was getting confused because when I read Malachi 3:1 (a) it really did seem to refer to John the Baptist. The point I’m getting is that we cannot necessarily find scriptural evidence that points to a future (“antitype”) John the Baptist. A global preaching work is part of the sign of the nearness of Christ’s coming….not a “messenger” like Russell (or in the case of the Mormons, not a “prophet” like Joseph Smith!) Thank you BK Kevin!

    • Luke –

      “just as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah, YOU people, make his roads straight.” – Isaiah = John

      “When the messengers of John had gone away, he started to say to the crowds concerning John: “What did YOU go out into the wilderness to behold? A reed being tossed by the wind? What, then, did YOU go out to see? A man dressed in soft outer garments? Why, those in splendid dress and existing in luxury are in royal houses. Really, then, what did YOU go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell YOU, and far more than a prophet. This is he concerning whom it is written, ‘Look! I am sending forth my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way ahead of you.’ – Malachi = John

      “the [true] Lord, whom YOU people are seeking, and the messenger of the covenant” – Malachi = Jesus

      Russell is NOT in scripture. flat-out lie

  • Anderiega
  • although we can somewhat try and prepare for our families we must always keep an our hearts and minds what Jehovah our heavenly father has said. we cant depend on man or even our selves no we can only really and truly depend on Jehovah god our heavenly father.

    Isaiah 35:4
    4 Say to those who are anxious at heart: “Be strong. Do not be afraid. Look! Your own God will come with vengeance, God will come with retribution. He will come and save you.”

    Luke 9:24
    24 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake is the one who will save it.

  • 1 2 3 4 5 … 683

    Revelation 6:17
    17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

    Malachi 3:2
    2 “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen.

    Zechariah 4:14
    14 He said: “These are the two anointed ones who are standing alongside the Lord of the whole earth.”

    Job 3:8
    8 Let those who curse the day put a curse on it, Those who are able to awaken Le·viʹa·than.

    • LW

      ? What is the number counting for?

      • I copied and pasted may have been just an error I make them all the time i may have hit my number keys while editing. sorry about that.

  • you know I have not seen any activity from brother Robert in the last few days? brother Robert I hope that all is well may Jehovah be with you and continue to bless all of your wonderful efforts.

    • ewatchman 6 days ago
      Just to let everyone know, I got a crazy week going on and probably won’t post any new articles for a few days. Hopefully, I can do a new podcast soon when things settle down.

      • I’m guess that was brother Robert whom wrote that? I didn’t catch that post but as long as alk is well. Thanks for posting brother.

        • Your welcome! Looking forward to hearing a new podcast!

          • It has been awhile since I heard a new podcast I’m looking foward to hearing it. Robert does so much I often wonder how he does it all but as the scriptures say with God all things are possible. HAVE a great day Joseph.

Skip to toolbar