Who is Elijah who is coming?

//Who is Elijah who is coming?

QUESTION: Who is Elijah, foretold at Malachi 4:5, who comes before the awe-inspiring day of Jehovah? And what will he accomplish? And is he in fact the one that will be appointed over all the domestics to give them food at the proper time?

The verse in question also happens to be the very last verse of the entire Hebrew collection, which states: “Look! I am sending to you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. And he will turn the hearts of fathers back toward sons, and the hearts of sons back toward fathers, so that I may not come and strike the earth, devoting it to destruction.”

It seems to me that the prophet “Elijah” is the same as the messenger of the covenant that comes prior to the day of Jehovah. That should be evident from the fact that Malachi 3:1 also speaks of the messenger preparing a way for God, the same as Elijah. “‘Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,’ says Jehovah of armies.”

Jesus alluded to himself as the foretold Elijah as well on the occasion of the transfiguration. The account says that when they were coming down the mountain the three disciples who had just witnessed the vision of the transfiguration —in which “Elijah” appeared —put the question to Jesus: Why, then, do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” Jesus responded, saying: “Elijah is indeed coming and will restore all things. However, I say to you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him but did whatever they wanted with him.” –Matthew 17:11,12

The next verse says that the disciples then recognized that he was speaking about John the Baptist. However, since John had already been executed at that point, which is what Jesus was alluding to when he said they did whatever they wanted with him, how could he be “coming” and “restore all things”? Obviously, there is a grander fulfillment. And, of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses are aware of that fact.

The apostle Peter —who heard Jesus foretell that “Elijah” would restore all things —evidently understood that Jesus is the “Elijah” to come. At least he had come to that understanding by the time he became the spokesman for the newly anointed congregation of the Firstborn, evidenced by the fact that the apostle said to the Jews: “Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out, so that seasons of refreshing may come from Jehovah himself and he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus. Heaven must hold this one within itself until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old.” —Acts 3:19-21

Although the apostles were bearing witness about the resurrection of the Christ, Peter implied that the restoration of all things would not take place until Jesus returns. That is when heaven would no longer hold Jesus —meaning, that Jesus would no longer sit at the Father’s right hand, but come to the earth; thereby, initiating the restoration.

The restoration of all things is a tall order. Elsewhere the Scriptures speak of the restoration of all things by referring to a new heavens and a new earth —nothing short of a new world. That is what the return of “Elijah” will accomplish.

However, the return of Christ brings about a change in his relationship to his anointed followers. Most notably, the first resurrection begins during Christ’s presence. Not coincidently, Elijah performed the first recorded resurrection when he breathed life back into the widow’s dead son.

Interestingly, the first mention of Elijah is at 1st Kings 17:1, where Elijah suddenly appears on the scene and orders the heavens to be shut up so that no rain may fall except by his order, which proved to be three and a half years.

The two witnesses of Revelation, one of which is symbolized as Elijah, give witness for 42 months, or three and a half years. Because Moses and Elijah were in the vision of the transfiguration their witnessing has to do with their seeing Christ’s presence. Keep in mind their is no such thing as an invisible presence. Those are counterfeit words intended to exploit us, as Peter forewarned.

So, it is evident that although Christ is symbolized as the coming Elijah, the restorer of all things his presence on earth will be expressed through the chosen ones after the separation of the wheat and the weeds, after they see him as he is. Afterwards the brothers of Christ will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Then those who belong to Christ will be in complete union with the Father and Son so that they no longer function as ambassador’s substituting for Christ, but as full-fledged members of the then-ruling Kingdom.

Elijah’s ascent into heaven on the fiery chariot is a portent of the resurrection of the remaining ones of the body of Christ at the close of the 42 months.

2018-02-06T16:48:26+00:00 February 6th, 2018|Mailbag|83 Comments
  • The Raven

    Thank you, Robert. As always a good explanation for scriptures. We need this.

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    SUPER NICE ARTICLE BROTHER ROBERT KEEP THAT WORK GOING I AM SATISFIED WITH YOUR EXPLANATION.
    Brother Robert after going through YOUR WEBSITE I myself have become a good interpreter of biblical prophecies. What has happened on 29th Jan 2018 is that:- Two elders called me in a separated counseling room in Kingdom hall and advised me not to tell the researched answers in the congregation. They said brother you are a very good brother and has lot of knowledge than most of us. But why we called you today means is because though your answers are in line with bible but it is not found in the magazines hence what the Governing body cannot discern we should not tell as it may go wrong.

    One elder said that Governing body is discreet so they have all the knowledge and Jehovah directly channels them the information.

    Then I said may I show one proof?: I asked them to read the Feb 2017 issue study article titled Who Is Leading God’s People Today? Under the subheading “WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?” paragraph 12. The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.

    A moment that caused to shut their mouth.

    But they continued and said they are very much worried because I said that I know who the KING OF NORTH is when Digging the spiritual gems were discussed on Daniel chapter last year 2017 and they found that I always highlight judgement message on the Christian congregation itself which they don’t like to hear. They say that newly ones will loose faith on ORG if I keep on telling the judgement message on the congregation itself.

    They then directly said to me brother you answer more than WTS and Br. Isaac though as you are already aware that the congregation members also accept that what you say makes lot of sense especially prophecies. Still we request you not to tell your researched answers unless until it is approved and in line with the society.
    Then I said then there is not point is asking the last question:What other spiritual gems have you discovered in this week’s Bible reading?

    With that they said brother please consider what we say it is good for you!!!

    That means what?
    If I don’t stop answering my researched answers I will be marked in the congregation and will subsequently dis-fellowshipped. But they are very happy to keep a person in MS position who committed adultery.

    So in their eyes Br. Isaac is a great sinner because I am not in line with the WTS teachings but the adulterer MS is righteous because he follows WTS guidelines.

    I say that the policies of the Governing body has stumbled and in turn many of the decisions taken by the Branch Committee member’s, Circuit overseers and elders as per the directions of the governing body has greatly stumbled the members of the congregation who are not strong in faith and gone out of the Christian congregation. Therefore the governing body, the Branch Committee member’s, Circuit overseers and elders those who caused stumbling will given punishment as said in Mat: 18:6: But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea.

    Whereas the sons of the Kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside Mat:8:12.

    • It is interesting how the elders always say that JW’s have to have faith in the WT. That ought to tell us right there that something is not quite right. What about having faith in God and Christ? Isn’t that good enough? Sadly, no.

      That is funny, though, that the WT opens up the meeting to allow individuals to express what spiritual gems they personally have uncovered in their Bible reading, but the elders freak out when someone brings forth an actual gem. Hilarious.

      But, I would caution you, you know it is as Paul says, “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” So, it is good to keep things in perspective and not let ourselves put too much emphasis on knowledge, to our detriment.

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        This is so timely because we are in a discussion with one of our neighbors about Elijah and also that the “old testament” Hebrew text is Not old but very important to understanding the “New testament” Greek scriptures.

      • The Raven

        Good advice. We need to avoid falling into the same trap. But it still sucks. Oh well, all on Jehovah’s schedule, not ours.

      • Bro & Sis B

        Hi Robert, my reply to Isaac keeps getting removed as spam. Any way you can pull it from the spam folder and repost it?

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yes I acknowledge your advice: “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” So, it is good to keep things in perspective and not let ourselves put too much emphasis on knowledge, to our detriment.

    • Burt Reynolds

      But are you somehow expecting them to suddenly have their eyes opened and agree with you? We do not hold their eyes shut. Satan does. Their arguments against the truth you spoke to them show well enough that they are not able to argue and that ever you may say to them, they shut their ears and repeat the mantra of the governing body…..no one comes to Jehovah except through them! Save your words for those who will listen. It’s difficult to know the best course of action…..speak out now and get thrown out, or seek the ones discreetly who will listen. On the one hand you make a stand for yourself, but on the other, you remain silent and allow Jehovah to bring those who will listen to you if you go privately looking for them. How will these ones survive if there is no one to teach them?

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Burt you said “We do not hold their eyes shut. “Satan does”.end quote.
        Actually the prophets over at the Watchtower have been blinded by Jehovah not Satan according to Isaiahs prophecy.

        just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, down to this very day.Romans 11:8.

        For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you;
        He has closed your eyes, the prophets,
        And he has covered your heads, the visionaries Isaiah 29:10.Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/29/#v23029010

        • Burt Reynolds

          Yes, you’re right. I wasn’t thinking.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Burt I didn’t want to be right or wrong I just wanted to share accurate knowledge concerning that particular prophecy because I love you my brother as I love all people.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes I know that about you Kevin. I was just generalising over what I was saying to Isaac and should have been more accurate. Thanks.

        • The Raven

          Oh wow! The comments here today are really timely. I was visited just THIS MORNING by two jws. I have not spoken with any in many months! I subtly tried to direct the conversation to prophecy and they once again skunked me by ignoring or steering it to speaking about the dead.
          Kevin, I already know what’s at work here but it’s still unnerving to see it in person every time.
          They left a watchtower no.1 2018, a tract, Can the dead really live again and an invitation pamphlet to study the bible and attend the hall. I had not seen these two particular ladies since before being widowed over 3 years ago yet they remembered me.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Wow what a blessing….
            This seems like Jehovah’s direction for you, I mean they did offer you a home Bible study and that would give you the opportunity to plant seeds.

            I planted A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow, Corinthians 3:6.
            Read more> God makes it grow (5-9).https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/3/#v46003005-v46003009

            • The Raven

              Haha! They couldn’t wait to get away from me! I can tell you how it will go. Been there, done that, but… visiting the hall is different and doable unlike the regimented studies from their materials. Parking lot discussions are a lot more open than hall meetings. They said they woud return. I am going to try again when they do.
              The meetings times have all been changed again. They had labels stuck on the pamphlet. We talked about the yearbook and the wts cutting back and they simply said they were condensing many things. They quoted scripture from phones, not bibles and directed me to jw.org, which I am familiar with.
              They told me the newest bible was what I should be reading when I told them the black cover 1984 was mine. Their visit confirms what’s been going on. They would not discuss Ezekiel or the end time prophecies.

            • The Raven

              IDK. I’m trying to figure out if they came here for my benefit or if I was supposed to reach them. If the latter, I failed once again. They already knew I had knowledge and would not discuss my topics but theirs, so given all that’s been said and done concerning the issues with them including your comment about Jehovah making them deaf and blind I don’t know. They shut me down every time. If I were already in I am sure I would be DFd. I was literally left behind several times for not agreeing with their prophetic views. So how do I make this work? Maybe different congregations have more understanding folks but I know this one here hasn’t changed other than to sell off two other halls and jam folks into one. But..it’s still the same as it was in 1983. I may go haunt the hall like I did several times before but after a while they will stop talking to me. That’s how they did every time before. SMH.

            • J.M.J.

              When I am offered a bible based study ,I usually decline saying that we would be discussing points of Wts choosing .A real bible based study would be of topics and questions of the students choosing .( Like Robert does ) Also I sat that when they come to the door and say they would like to talk about the bible it means a conversation .A conversation is an exchange of views involving listening as well as talking . I do not get a lot of visits ,but usually catch them on the road .

            • The Raven

              For the most part that’s how it is. They seem to be in pronouncement mode, not exchange.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              Then there’s the question, how would you ever be “in” or baptized knowing that the wt. Has deviated so much, and answer their new questions. Of course, there are many people there so they would never know you didnt answer them; and getting through the 80 questions without choking up…trial by fire!!!
              I got baptized twice because people approached me in the congregation and said that I was too young therefore my baptism wasn’t valid..It was to me, but who am I?

            • The Raven

              I don’t think compromising the truth to recieve baptism is possible for me. It looks like we will all be passed through the fire, baptized or not. Why make myself part of something I know will be destroyed soon?
              Throughout the years I’ve spoken with lots of folks and did what I could to teach the truth. Now, I’m looking at prophecy as it applies to them correctly and wondering if hanging on to the Jewish temple is wise. Were it not for the fact that wheat is there in some part I wouldn’t even consider it. But…I am not confident that my efforts would mean anything from all the failed attempts to reason with them. I will try will folks willing to listen, of course.
              When I was approached with truth originally, they proved to me with scripture they were right. But when I try to do that they won’t accept it.
              I am at the point where I know this is not for my salvation as they do not control it nor can they judge. So what is it?
              Look at our friend Isaac and what he’s dealing with as a baptised member. He got himself that little “talk” even though he’s right on point. I got that “talk” in my front yard back in the 80s from two elders and I held no standing as he does as a respected brother.
              It’s remarkable.
              I have to believe that this will bear out during the end times in a way we’re not aware of yet.
              I trust once it begins many will see and hear and then, we may be of some use. But right now I feel like I’m talking to a wall with them.
              I’ve had much better luck with those completely ignorant of any truth than jws.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              If any thing,
              ….I think you are right on point…

            • Burt Reynolds

              Me too!

            • e.v.g

              Hi raven, it seems that is imposible to

            • The Raven

              I agree. I tried to be as kind and thoughtful as they were with me when they first brought me the truth. But that doesn’t work. Some folks have good results and find receptive people. I have not. I don’t push it with them either since I know what’s at work. It’s hard, yes and I feel like I should be doing something but other than what I’ve been doing I don’t know what. I know others here have expressed the same concerns and sentiments.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I keep asking Jehovah for something to do. I’m still waiting! Doesn’t bode well!

            • Max

              If you ever wanted to be baptized Raven, actually any brother in good standing with Jehovah can baptizes you. What the WT is doing now regarding baptism is not biblical. The Christian baptism is not a dedication to an organization as it’s portrayed now. So if you know the truth and live it and if you witness to others about the coming Kingdom then you are ready.

            • The Raven

              I wish I knew a brother who would do that but I don’t and I’m no longer worried about it since I’ve learned more here about that matter. Even a family self baptism may have the same value as a kh one but in the end, it’s symbolic. Thanks to you and Kevin explaining to me about the baptism of fire., that eased my mind. I think a lot of us are wracking our brains trying to figure out ways to reach brothers and sisters inside and out and it wears on us in a way. There is a truth to the saying ignorance is bliss. It’s been said before and Isaac’s experiences bear this out, it’s almost as if we’re cursed to know the truth like Cassandra from myth. No one believed her. These people are under a spell and only Jehovah can break it with the return of Christ.
              There has to be more to this than that. They continue to bring folks to the WT and we teach the ttatt outside. Maybe a few inside. How strange is that? These groups will converge eventually. Then we’ll see what happens.

            • Lisa-Lisa

              I Second That ! You took the words right out of my mouth.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I am of much the same opinion as you. I got a talking to on one occasion. I forget what it was about, but I think I called an elder something or other. It was nothing to do with scripture, but then it never is, is it. You must pop over for a beer sometime and we can chew over the old times on the porch.

            • The Raven

              It was always about scripture and “proper procedure” from my experience. I wasn’t in so thankfully not subjected to that sort of familiarity and in some cases contempt. Nope. It still surprises me to read some accounts of maltreatment especially yours.
              It’s never a surprise to be called worldly, lost and obstinate for refusing to go along to get along.
              Four near 40 years I wished it wasn’t so. But there is some comfort in knowing why it is.
              I’d be glad to chew the fat with you man. But I know after all this is over we probably won’t bother with dredging up bad memories. We’ll be too busy making happy ones.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Who are you? Blessed of Jehovah I would assume. Clearly he has chosen you. Baptised twice because you were too young the first time around! Times change. When I was baptised there were no questions asked, it was done almost on the opinion of the study conductor, sanctioned by the elders. I have never seen the 80 questions. But I can imagine question one: If someone does not agree with the Governing Body, are they A, Shunned, B, Disfellowshipped, C, Avoided at all costs, or D, Glared at grimly from across the hall during the watchtower study or E, All of the above? Question 2: When Stephen Lett tells you they have more money going out than coming in, do you Donate, A, Generously, B, Rob your children of their ice cream money as well as give generously, C, Give all that you have, except your house, D, All that you have including your house, E, All of the above and your children’s inheritance and pioneer as well.

            • Eyes on the Prize

              for the last question….E + making then donating a Bank Loan?

            • Burt Reynolds

              I never thought of that, but it would not surprize me if that was not the case on several occasions!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Who knows what their destiny is? If you don’t put the hook in the water you will not catch the fish. It is not likely that they will jump into your boat willingly. I suppose, loosely put, we are but the messenger and if we are given the Talent, then we had better use it. The outcome is not in our hands. Maybe someone new has started attending and you are to be sent to them…

            • The Raven

              Those fish only eat wt approved vittles, man. I talk to folks quite a bit, unfortunately no witnesses except for the visits. They said they’ll be back. I’ll try again. I’m not ruling anything out completely. I am being realistic about this and I apologize if it’s pessimistic as well but that’s been my experience with them.
              The elders who visited me about 4 years ago were not happy with my views concerning prophecy and they never returned. I was told later by field workers, that they knew about me beforehand.
              Oh great.
              There is only one hall in my town and everyone knows everyone. I think it’s become a challenge on the part of some to engage me. Lol. I know they do what Christ said; preach the good news and so do I. I led my own bible studies which freaked them out.
              I was warned not to do that on my own because I did not have “accurate” knowledge and I was not doing it under the auspices of the wt. They also insisted I turn those studies over to more “experienced” brothers.
              There are obstacles such as my bad reputation to consider.
              I’m trying not to assume anything but that’s my situation.
              You’re right, of course, we never know who we might meet or what their situation is and that’s why I’m still open to discussion if any wish.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Just keep doing the best you can do and always remember that love never fails in the end, also keep in mind that Jehovah showed love to us first even in spite of our transgressions.
              We love, because he first loved us John 4:19.
              The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins. 1 John 4:10 Read more>
              1 Corinthians 13:8. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/13/#v46013001-v46013013

            • The Raven

              Will do. Thank you for those scriptures.

          • Max

            Are you going to take the offer Raven? It would be interesting to know if they could actually see the truth of the truth.

            • The Raven

              I tried several times with different ones but got no where. Even this time they wanted to tell me the wt views but would not listen or even answer general questions about the times. So, I already know they don’t know or don’t want to know. They are returning so I’ll see if there is a chance then. I’ll try again.
              I almost get the impression what they do is just formality and the manner of preaching the message has changed from one of actually exchanging thoughts, to pronouncement of wt teaching. Maybe I haven’t got much experience with that but that’s the impression I got.

          • Burt Reynolds

            I have not had any witnesses call at all since I moved here two years ago. Very unusual. We bought our house from a retired policeman. Maybe there is something in that!

            • The Raven

              Lol!

        • Eyes on the Prize

          Are you saying Watchtower has had their senses & power of reason switched off or slowed down? If these Scriptures apply to modern day WTBS, this might help me to understand why they have had such difficulty with their Doctrine holding water? Their misrepresentations have shattered the faith of many!

          • Bklyn Kevin

            In a nutshell yes but it’s not what I’m saying but it’s what the Bible said in this prophecy of Isaiah.

            Listen, you who are deaf;
            Look and see, you who are blind.
            Who is blind except my servant,
            So deaf as the messenger I send?
            Who is so blind as the one rewarded,
            So blind as the servant of Jehovah?.
            Isaiah 42:18-19 Read more>
            https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/42/#v23042018-v23042025

            You do not know you are blind and naked.
            Except:
            When it comes to evaluating Watchtower teachings as to whether they be true or false, a good way to keep things straight in our minds is that, as a general rule, everything doctrinally is correct, and everything connected to prophecy is wrong —at least as far as modern fulfillments are concerned. And, of course, the reason everything related to prophecy is wrong is because of the 1914, kingdom-came delusion. Today’s text is a classic example.

            To highlight their ongoing fumbling, folly, about four years ago the Watchtower’s seers discerned that the parables concerning the faithful and evil slaves and the wise and foolish virgins had not been completely fulfilled. And their fulfillment is directly related to the coming of Christ. Prior to 2013 Jehovah’s Witnesses were taught that the faithful slave was appointed over all of the master’s belongings back in 1918-19. The evil slave was identified as the International Bible Students who refused to go forward with the Watchtower Society after their leader, Pastor Russell, died. But now it is understood that the master has neither rewarded nor punished his slaves.
            Read more>
            https://e-watchman.com/not-know-blind-naked/

            Also read or listen to > Chapter 8 – Who Is Blind?. http://jehovah-is-king.com/blind/

      • The Raven

        All this will matter greatly when the time comes. It appears we will all have some part in this and only Jehovah knows who and how we will. Whether we find them or they us, remains to be seen but I do know that he seperates sheep from goats and also sheep from sheep.
        I think time is short and when needed Jehovah will allow us to remember what we have learned and speak when we must if we remain faithful.

        • Burt Reynolds

          You know Raven, if Jehovah allows me to remember anything I will be grateful. What day of the week it is would be nice to start with!

      • “It was a case of seeing many things, but you did not keep watching. It was a case of opening the ears, but youa did not keep listening.”

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Jehovah says: “This people approaches me with their mouth
      And they honor me with their lips,
      But their heart is far removed from me;
      And their fear of me is based on commands of men that they have been taught Isaiah 29:13.
      Read more> Woe to Ariel! (1-16)
      Lip service condemned (13)
      Deaf will hear; and blind will see (17-24) https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/29/#v23029013

      Also read >The Perversity of You Men!. https://e-watchman.com/the-perversity-of-you-men/

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Oh yeah thanks for remembering those links

    • i was told about the same thing. i thought is was awesome that in my case, thanks to Jehovah, my words pretty much dominated the others in the meeting against their stupid reasoning and absurd rebuttals that were so ridiculous. they call it “getting ahead of the Watchtower” as if knowing and understanding something scriptural or historical or anything the Watchtower group of men dont know is something we should avoid and be careful to prevent ouselvs from knowing something that someone else doesnt

      • The Raven

        That sounds very familiar. It wouldn’t have been so bad if disagreements over prophecy weren’t made into doctrinal isuues stamping us as heretics. Thats a huge part of the problem talking to them. If they could leave that out it would be great. But they won’t. They also insist on materials from the wt when I wanted to stick to bible. No go. Only one did, my brother’s neighbour and she kept it secret from elders for years but would not budge on 1914.
        I think they need to look for truth themselves. I can’t make them see or hear anything.

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        So that shows that GB wants us to be their Slaves. The GB is not having time to research or they have no time to do any statistics kinda of the things you mentioned because they are very busy in making sex vedio ..really strange about not having you pillow or cover or tight clothes to cause erection. And they show it to bethelites.

    • Bella Meadows

      Isaac, Greetings from the other side of the planet brother.
      Brother, I feel your frustration, and trust me you’re not alone! I am absolutely compelled to echo Roberts admonition to be cautious.

      You said – “If I don’t stop answering my researched answers I will be marked in the congregation and will subsequently dis-fellowshipped”?

      To answer that in short – Yes, absolutely you will be. You need to take to heart Paul’s words Robert already quoted – “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” (those words are fundamental for my spiritual health) The foundation of our Christian faith is love, not knowledge, a fact that sadly so many in the congregation easily forget (myself included). However as all of us weened from the milk and now ingesting solid food know, knowledge is essential for our spiritual health, and of course once we have acquired knowledge we rejoice in the privilege of sharing it with others, especially our Christian brothers and sisters. I’m not by any means admonishing you to keep quiet, but there is a need to be discreet, or wise as that word is defined. The brothers in your congregation seem to be quite reasonable compared with many I’ve spoke with. There is zero tolerance for anything contradicting the ‘Society’ here in the U.S.

      Personally I find that field service is the best setting to discus the truth. Sadly most don’t even have the slightest comprehension of the ‘Society’s’ current teachings, which is necessary if your going to show how they’re scripturally nonsensical. For example I was out with my field service group overseer (the elder responsible before Jehovah for shepherding me) and asked when the “appointed times of the nations” ended as mentioned by Jesus at Luke 21:24. I was obviously expecting a swift reply of 1914 after which I was going to ask when the appointed times mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 ended, and then discuss the reasonableness of those two interpretations. What happened was, after asking about Luke, I received a confused look followed by him looking up the verse and furrowing his brow trying to figure out what Jesus was talking about when he said “appointed times of the nations” as though he had never heard of it before in his life.

      Isaac, this is where most of our brothers and sisters are at – little to no understanding at all – it’s sad but true. Stay the course brother, but don’t get yourself disfellowshipped for serving solid food to infants. By all means try your best to help them aquire an appetite for solid food.

      While I’m rambling on there is one other issue I feel compelled to comment on. You mention a ministerial servant that committed adultery, and you seem to have an issue with him in comparison with yourself. I don’t know whats going on over there but here if you’re a servant and you commit adultery your automatically removed, and disfellowshiped (repentant or not). I have to imagine this is what happened and he’s been subsequently reinstated and reappointed. If this is the case why are you holding his sin up as disqualifying him if Jehovah has forgiven him? Please don’t let his past mistakes serve as a stumbling block to you, rather forgive your brother from the heart and move froward.

      Please accept my Christian love and encouragement.

      Brother B.
      : )

    • comment of the day Issac 👍

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Thanks a lot

    • Bella Meadows

      Isaac, Greetings from the other side of the planet brother.
      Brother, I feel your frustration, and trust me you’re not alone! I am absolutely compelled to echo Roberts admonition to be cautious.

      You said – “If I don’t stop answering my researched answers I will be marked in the congregation and will subsequently dis-fellowshipped”?

      To answer that in short – Yes, absolutely you will be. You need to take to heart Paul’s words Robert already quoted – “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” (those words are fundamental for my spiritual health) The foundation of our Christian faith is love, not knowledge, a fact that sadly so many in the congregation easily forget (myself included). However as all of us weened from the milk and now ingesting solid food know, knowledge is essential for our spiritual health, and of course once we have acquired knowledge we rejoice in the privilege of sharing it with others, especially our Christian brothers and sisters. I’m not by any means admonishing you to keep quiet, but there is a need to be discreet, or wise as that word is defined. The brothers in your congregation seem to be quite reasonable compared with many I’ve spoke with. There is zero tolerance for anything contradicting the ‘Society’ here in the U.S.

      Personally I find that field service is the best setting to discus the truth. Sadly most don’t even have the slightest comprehension of the ‘Society’s’ current teachings, which is necessary if your going to show how they’re scripturally nonsensical. For example I was out with my field service group overseer (the elder responsible before Jehovah for shepherding me) and asked when the “appointed times of the nations” ended as mentioned by Jesus at Luke 21:24. I was obviously expecting a swift reply of 1914 after which I was going to ask when the appointed times mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 ended, and then discuss the reasonableness of those two interpretations. What happened was, after asking about Luke, I received a confused look followed by him looking up the verse and furrowing his brow trying to figure out what Jesus was talking about when he said “appointed times of the nations” as though he had never heard of it before in his life.

      Isaac, this is where most of our brothers and sisters are at – little to no understanding at all – it’s sad but true. Stay the course brother, but don’t get yourself disfellowshipped for serving solid food to infants. By all means try your best to help them aquire an appetite for solid food.

      While I’m rambling on there is one other issue I feel compelled to comment on. You mention a ministerial servant that committed adultery, and you seem to have an issue with him in comparison with yourself. I don’t know whats going on over there but here if you’re a servant and you commit adultery your automatically removed, and disfellowshiped (repentant or not). I have to imagine this is what happened and he’s been subsequently reinstated and reappointed. If this is the case why are you holding his sin up as disqualifying him if Jehovah has forgiven him? Please don’t let his past mistakes serve as a stumbling block to you, rather forgive your brother from the heart and move froward.

      Please accept my Christian love and encouragement.

      Brother B.
      : )

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yes it is wise to accept your advice.

        I said of MS committing Adultery. I do accept your advice: why are you holding his sin up as disqualifying him if Jehovah has forgiven him?

        Why I compared was that for WTS : Answering my researched answers in line with bible is greater sin than committing adultery? The elders see that answering judgment message on Christian congregation is more sinful and painful than a man who cheats his wife and Jehovah.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Hello Bro & Sis B, that scripture about knowledge being puffed up, but love builds up, is good. It supports another crutch of mine, where the bible speaks of Jehovah choosing the stupid so that the wise might be brought to shame…1 Corinthians 1:27. I have always found solace in Jehovah in the creation, and in the interpretation of love. I don’t know how the others draw on and understand prophesy. It’s a closed book to me. It makes sense what I read, but as for explaining it…..that’s a different story. So knowledge of these things is not in my league and I only know the truth when I see it. Certainly ‘knowledge’ will not save me, but acceptance and belief might. I am hoping that this is why love is the greatest of all commandments. That much I can manage in my limited way; to love Jehovah’s righteousness.

    • The Raven

      Keep your head up. It’s very hard to reason with them. I know, I’ve tried and walked away confused, disappointed and often flabbergasted! It’s for them to see or not and who knows their motivations at times. Some are deluded, some nit. But all will be revealed. I know it’s beyond frustrating and often just plain wierd but hang in there, man. You tried and that’s commendable! 😁

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Thanks for your encouragement

    • Bella Meadows

      Isaac, Greetings from the other side of the planet brother.

      Brother, I feel your frustration, and trust me you’re not alone! I am absolutely compelled to echo Roberts admonition to be cautious.

      You said – “If I don’t stop answering my researched answers I will be marked in the congregation and will subsequently dis-fellowshipped”?

      To answer that in short – Yes, absolutely you will be. You need to take to heart Paul’s words Robert already quoted – “knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” (those words are fundamental for my spiritual health) The foundation of our Christian faith is love, not knowledge, a fact that sadly so many in the congregation easily forget (myself included). However as all of us weened from the milk and now ingesting solid food know, knowledge is essential for our spiritual health, and of course once we have acquired knowledge we rejoice in the privilege of sharing it with others, especially our Christian brothers and sisters. I’m not by any means admonishing you to keep quiet, but there is a need to be discreet, or wise as that word is defined. The brothers in your congregation seem to be quite reasonable compared with many I’ve spoke with. There is zero tolerance for anything contradicting the ‘Society’ here in the U.S.

      Personally I find that field service is the best setting to discus the truth. Sadly most don’t even have the slightest comprehension of the ‘Society’s’ current teachings, which is necessary if your going to show how they’re scripturally nonsensical. For example I was out with my field service group overseer (the elder responsible before Jehovah for shepherding me) and asked when the “appointed times of the nations” ended as mentioned by Jesus at Luke 21:24. I was obviously expecting a swift reply of 1914 after which I was going to ask when the appointed times mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 ended, and then discuss the reasonableness of those two interpretations. What happened was, after asking about Luke, I received a confused look followed by him looking up the verse and furrowing his brow trying to figure out what Jesus was talking about when he said “appointed times of the nations” as though he had never heard of it before in his life.

      Isaac, this is where most of our brothers and sisters are at – little to no understanding at all – it’s sad but true. Stay the course brother, but don’t get yourself disfellowshipped for serving solid food to infants. By all means try your best to help them aquire an appetite for solid food.

      While I’m rambling on there is one other issue I feel compelled to comment on. You mention a ministerial servant that committed adultery, and you seem to have an issue with him in comparison with yourself. I don’t know whats going on over there but here if you’re a servant and you commit adultery your automatically removed, and disfellowshiped (repentant or not). I have to imagine this is what happened and he’s been subsequently reinstated and reappointed. If this is the case why are you holding his sin up as disqualifying him if Jehovah has forgiven him? Please don’t let his past mistakes serve as a stumbling block to you, rather forgive your brother from the heart and move froward.

      Please accept my Christian love and encouragement.

      Brother B.
      : )

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yeas I accept Your Christian love and encouragement and I in turn which you the same

    • Arvid Fløysand

      Acts 4:16-21 comes to mind when i read your comment Isaac 🙂 …stay firm brother and continue to follow Christ Jesus

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yeah that what I need to do

    • Anderiega

      😮😖😢you are a dear brother. May Jehovah and Jesus protect you.

  • Burt Reynolds

    I’m confused again! It says here ‘that the presence of Christ will be symbolised…..but his presence will be expressed through the chosen ones at the end of the 42 months after they have seen him as he is’ . Thus are we to read into this that the presence of Christ really will be invisible and that what we will see in his stead are the annointed who have seen him?

    • no that is not what its saying Burt. it says that Christ vizible presence is symbolized through Elijah’s name so obviously read about Elijah, who was also vizible and the chosen ones too are just like Christ just as Elijah is.

      • Burt Reynolds

        That’s Doc. That makes sense now.

    • Cathii D’Anthonii

      My understanding is that Jesus doesn’t have to come back to the earth, He already did that! He will begin ruling over the earth and we ,as in non-anointed, dont really need to see him; Therefore invisible presence is cancelled out, That is on earth.He did say that he would be with us until the end the conclusion, meaning he would be with All of us??My prayers certainly get heard, of that I have no doubt …just some thoughts

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The very fact that Jehovah’s prophetic word had come to pass before everyone’s eyes will be as if “every eye had seen him, although they did not literally see him they surely would have seen his prosthetic word come true.

      Matthew 24:30 “Then the sign” of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory
      Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; [or his brothers] and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.

      Revelation 1:7.
      And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:16 .
      Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of “power” [Authority] and coming on the clouds of heaven.”Matthew 26:64
      And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great “power” [Authority] and glory

      Mark 13:26
      Read more> How will every eye see Jesus and those who pierced him?.
      Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/how-will-every-eye-see-jesus-and-those-who-pierced-him/

      Also listen to Podcast #59 https://e-watchman.com/podc
      Will every eye literally see Jesus and how can those who “pierced” Jesus be on hand when Jesus returns?
      This program considers a variety of questions regarding how to reconcile the view of e-Watchman regarding the conclusion being of relatively brief duration and the first century pattern that seems to indicate that the conclusion of the Jewish system was some 40 years duration.
      Call in question on the tribulation. Is Jesus the mediator of the great crowd? Also, why did God plague the Israelites for David’s folly of ordering a census?

  • Burt Reynolds

    Interesting news: Soros has given £400,000 to a group campaigning to keep England in the eurpeoan market! Someone’s got his feathers ruffled. He must be going to loose a lot of money if he is throwing loose change at Remain groups here. They are about to chuck the prime minister out too, (whoever she is).

    • The Raven

      He’s been meddling in every color revolution on earth. He’s done a great bit of damage here hiring armed antifa thugs to spread their “social justice warrior” BS. It’s communism 101 and the kids are too stupid to figure it out. Academia is dominated by these leftist liberals and they found a very malleable generation of well conditioned and entitled children to fill their ranks. Its a polarization I haven’t seen since the 60s and I think it’s worse. At least back then they were coherent. Not today.

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    It is not only Jehovah’s pouring of a spirit of deep sleep on Governing body. I think some within the GB knows but there is one more reason why they are silent on prophecies and on the KING OF NORTH. The WTS not pointing out directly about the Global governance because they feel that NWO is conspiracy, but they can talk regarding deep state. Deep state is true it is not conspiracy, even Trump talked about it. I feel the GB knows it very well, but they prefer not to talk because if they do so, it will back fire them as already the WTS is entangled in child abuse cases and they can be easily be banned worldwide. How cunning is Satan to put WTS inside the net of bird catcher so as not to speak about illuminati?

    • The Raven

      Last year while speaking to a jw couple they told me they were not permitted to discuss politics when I asked them what they thought about the world situation. A major reason for that is they cannot have the wt assertion that almost all of Revelation, except the fall of Babylon and Armageddon have already occurred. The world will have to explode in their face before they even begin to doubt that teaching and lets face it…only a few will according to scripture.
      The bible states we cannot call it conspiracy. It is fact. A fact some can see. In their efforts to remain seperate from the world and apolitical, they have also been blind to facts that prove them wrong. In other words they stuck their heads in the sand.

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        they stuck their heads in the sand.: You man to say like Ostrich?

        • The Raven

          Exactly. Looks like this is common behavior. It shows an unreasonable attitude to ignore world events that don’t fit a narrative. Yet they ascribe obscure and trivial events as having fullfilled prophecy!
          I realize arguing over these matters is fruitless, but demanding adherence to what I know to be lies about the parousia goes well beyond what I can do and I do not see where it is a requirement for salvation to do so.
          I fear Jehovah and Christ and love them. I’ll continue to teach any who Jehovah brings near. That will have to do at this point. I feel sorry they did that to you, Isaac. But I know you are probably one of hundreds of thousands who ,although castigated by the Sanhedrin, are valuable in Jehovah’s eyes.

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            Thank you that’s nice and encouraging words.

            • The Raven

              Isaac, what are you going to do? Any idea how to deal with it? I’m interested in your opinion. It may give me some clues for when they return.
              No rush.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The man of lawlessness is very well aware of the Illuminati and the facts surely bear witness.
      To that point.

      KINGDOM BULLETIN #13 To the Elders, September 28, 2017
      Excerpt:
      Most of Jehovah’s Witnesses will react in abject disbelief. They will simply not believe their eyes. To be sure, it is unbelievable. The mere suggestion that men ostensibly dedicated to Jehovah would intentionally design an assembly hall to resemble the occultic eye and pyramid is incredible. But they did. (See photocopy of Google Earth image included)
      Read more> https://e-watchman.com/kingdom-bulletin-13/
      Read a lot more> Search results for: Eye of Horus. https://e-watchman.com/?s=Eye+of+Horus

      As for the reason why the governing body is silent concerning the King of the North, the truth is they just don’t know according to their own commentary in there
      “Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book.

      Me and Lyndon LaRouche.
      Excerpt:
      In 1999 the Watchtower Society published a paperback called Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! I read it with the greatest eagerness of mind, imagining that they would offer fresh new insights into this compelling prophecy. But I soon came to the disappointing realization that it was merely a revised edition of Your Will be Done –albeit, upgraded with eye-catching illustrations.
      Not only had the Watchtower retained their implausible interpretation that the then non-existent USSR had been the king of the north, and in spite of the fact that the Governing Body continue to exclaim that “we are deep in the time of the end” when the secrets of Daniel are scheduled to be unsealed to the faithful, the “Pay Attention” commentary unabashedly admitted that the “slave class” does not know who the king of the north is presently. And for the past two decades since the dissolution of the USSR they have not uttered one word of revision and have even advised all of Jehovah’s Witnesses that it is wise not to “speculate” on the matter. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/me-and-lyndon-larouche/

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    WHAT A CONTRADICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.: July 2013 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” Paragraph 19.

    In 1919, three years after Brother Russell’s death, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave.
    Feb 2017 Who Is Leading God’s People Today? Paragraph 10.

    • Bro & Sis B

      Hi, Isaac.
      I know it’s annoying and a bit confusing, as nonsense often is, but what they’ve been teaching since the adjustment in 2013 is consistent. They claim that there is two appointments of the slave.
      1st) Appointed to provide food – 1919
      -July 15, 2013 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave” par. 12
      2nd) Appointed over all belongings – during the tribulation
      July 15, 2013 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” par. 19

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        They have also claimed several judgments on the house of God have already taken place, therefore all is good.

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