What did Peter mean when he said…

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  • SongofHannahSongofHannah
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    What did Peter mean when he said

    “In fact, this is why the good news was declared also to the dead, so that although they are judged in the flesh from the standpoint of men, they might live in harmony with the spirit from God’s standpoint.” — 1 Pet 4:6

    Any thoughts you care to share on the matter are greatly appreciated.

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    Ken_RosenbergKen_Rosenberg
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    Could it mean Spiritually dead?

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    Robert KingRobert King
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    From God’s standpoint we are all as good as dead. Jesus indicated as much when he once told a potential follower: “Let the dead bury their dead.” The apostles spoke similarly. The good news was preached to those who were alienated from God and were dead in their sins, as Paul said. By their acceptance of the good news, though, they could come to life with the hope of receiving immortal life in the heavens.

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    Ken_RosenbergKen_Rosenberg
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    From God’s standpoint we are all as good as dead. Jesus indicated as much when he once told a potential follower: “Let the dead bury their dead.” The apostles spoke similarly. The good news was preached to those who were alienated from God and were dead in their sins, as Paul said. By their acceptance of the good news, though, they could come to life with the hope of receiving immortal life in the heavens.

    So does that mean no resurrection for the unrighteous?

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    SongofHannahSongofHannah
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    Of course there is.

    Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

    Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

    So does that mean no resurrection for the unrighteous?

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    Frank CongerFrank Conger
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    Hi Song of Hannah:

    In 1 Peter 3 it says this in the NWT….

    For Christ died once for all time for sins,+ a righteous person for unrighteous ones,+ in order to lead you to God.+ He was put to death in the flesh+ but made alive in the spirit.+ 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,+ 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting* in Noah’s day,+ while the ark was being constructed,+ in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water.+

    So, it’s clear that Jesus was preaching to the spirits (angels) who were in Tartarus (first death for angels) who had come down to the earth in Noah’s time to cavort with human women and father children by them. Jude tells us that ….. And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place,+ he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 6.

    The Bible does not go in to what Jesus preached to these ones when he too was a “spirit”. Perhaps in the future in the Kingdom we may find out what Jesus said to these ones. For now we could only speculate, which is seldom truly fruitful.

    Hope that helps.

    Frank

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    Jwstudentjwstudent
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    If Jesus preached to those spirits in Tartarus, does that mean there is hope even for them? Else what effect would preaching have other than a ridiculing: “Haha you are doomed, just saying!” Seems like rubbing salt into the wounds. Also I thought that the demons in existence today are fallen angels. Are they all in Tartarus? If so, can they influence us even from there? Is Satan in Tartarus with them? If not, we was he allowed to roam free but his friends weren’t?

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    Disqus_tIiI7cx2qadisqus_tIiI7cx2qa
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    If Jesus preached to those spirits in Tartarus, does that mean there is hope even for them? Else what effect would preaching have other than a ridiculing: “Haha you are doomed, just saying!” Seems like rubbing salt into the wounds. Also I thought that the demons in existence today are fallen angels. Are they all in Tartarus? If so, can they influence us even from there? Is Satan in Tartarus with them? If not, we was he allowed to roam free but his friends weren’t?

    Good question. When considering Peter’s context, Christ went to them after his resurrection and after his human death. I can only imagine there was something new they didn’t know about but needed to know. Maybe their situation changed after Christ’s resurrection and Christ was informing them of some definite circumstances now in place.

    Maybe after Christ’s resurrection and his higher position of authority, Jehovah left it up to him to decide when these wicked angels would be put to death and the nature of their bonds and imprisonment, in which case Christ, as the legal authority, were updating them on the newly in place decisions being made regarding Satan and the demons, etc. Maybe they were to have a role in the final rebellion against Christ after the 1000-year reign of Christ. Or possibly, they would be participants in the final battle in heaven between Michael and Satan, or be witnesses to it. Maybe Jesus was informing them about their final trial and death. Anyway, something that they needed to know or that God wanted them to know now that Christ had died and risen.

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