- darrenwilksParticipantJanuary 30, 2017 at 3:49 amPost count: 7darrenwilksParticipantJanuary 30, 2017 at 3:58 amPost count: 71914for100AlexParticipantJanuary 30, 2017 at 1:17 pmPost count: 4
Hi Darren. I don’t know if this will help or not, but it stood out to me a little while back while I was reading Leviticus. A lot of the rules that were to be followed were to be followed for “time indefinite”. At first that sounds like forever, but in many cases (maybe every time even) it was followed by “for YOUR generations”. I take this to mean up until the Jewish form of worship was done away with.darrenwilksParticipantJanuary 30, 2017 at 1:56 pmPost count: 7
Thank you for your response. Why did Jesus say to pray that your flight doesn’t take place on the sabbath? Also, do you think that Paul was teaching people to not observe the Sabbath? The Jews wanted to kill him over the circumcision issue. What would they have done if he was teaching not to observe the Sabbath?
Also, we know that love is the law’s fulfillment. Out of love for our neighbor and love for Jehovah, all of the 10 commandments are naturally followed. Except of course resting on Saturday.. I guess that one we can ignore now?1914for100AlexParticipantJanuary 31, 2017 at 8:57 pmPost count: 4
I’ll be honest, I’m not sure what to make of Jesus mentioning the flight on the Sabbath. You would think though, that if he wanted us to keep it he would have emphasised it in the Sermon on the Mount. I agree with what you said regarding love covering the commandments, other than the Sabbath. Jesus even added to what the original commandments said when he basically said that lusting after someone with your eyes is the same as adultery. You would think that with him covering all those things, and clarifying what adultery now entailed, he would have said “and don’t forget to keep the Sabbath!”, but he didn’t.
As far as what Paul was teaching, I think that came up in the comments recently. If I remember correctly the answer was that the disciples were probably very careful not to let anyone else see them not observing it. If that was the case, then Paul likely just told them to be careful, but I can’t back that up with scripture.darrenwilksParticipantJanuary 31, 2017 at 10:56 pmPost count: 7
Thank you for your response. I will think and pray on it. I’ve never honored the Sabbath in the past, but I can see how it would be a wonderful gift from Jehovah since the command is actually to work 6 days and rest on the 7th. We would look forward to it kinda like our weekends! Ahh.. I can’t wait for the Sabbath, Thank you Jehovah!! However Satan’s world has changed the holiest day to Sunday which is from Mithra worship.. and instituted a 40 hour work week so we rest two days.. and convoluted the Holiest day of the week that Jehovah gave us as gift. I hate Satan and just want to do whats right. I’ve always came back to wondering what Jesus meant by “Pray your flight doesn’t take place on the Sabbath” because he knew he was going away.. he’s the Lord of the Sabbath. Why would he tell us to pray that? He comes back and says “Happy are those hearing the word of Jehovah and doing it!” Those that heard the word and observed his commandments.. Is it important keeping his Sabbath important? Satan’s system has definitely convoluted it for sure. I’m kinda thinking out loud here.1914for100AlexParticipantFebruary 1, 2017 at 10:12 amPost count: 4
Nothing wrong with thinking out loud. It’s good to question things like this. Let’s take a look at the relevant scriptures:
20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulation+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.
Now, why would someone that observes the Sabbath not want their flight to be on the Sabbath? Would the act of fleeing break the law? Or could it be that in most cases when you go somewhere you usually pack clothing and supplies? I could see that as a violation. But in the context that Jesus is referencing, are we to expect that we are going to literally have to go somewhere, or is it figureatively?
15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.
Based on the above scriptures, I don’t think it is meant to be taken literally. At last I hope not. I don’t live near any mountains! I don’t know if this helps, but it’s what popped into my head. It still doesn’t explain why he said “Sabbath”, unless he was just trying to keep things in a context the people at that time would understand. But why bother saying it at all? He could have just as easily not said it and they would have understood the overall message.1914for100AlexParticipantFebruary 1, 2017 at 3:17 pmPost count: 4
A scripture to consider:
9 After departing from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10 and look! there was a man with a withered* hand!+ So they asked him, “Is it lawful to cure on the Sabbath?” so that they might accuse him.+ 11 He said to them: “If you have one sheep and that sheep falls into a pit on the Sabbath, is there a man among you who will not grab hold of it and lift it out?+ 12 How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath.” 13 Then he said to the man: “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and it was restored sound like the other hand.Adrew_arakeParticipantFebruary 3, 2017 at 8:11 amPost count: 7
Hola como estas, espero ayudar si es posible.espero que la traducción sea buena. Siempre me pregunté lo mismo con respecto a este dicho de Cristo sobre el día sábado. Que tal si esto que cristo dijo sólo es aplicable a los JUDÍOS del primer siglo que estaban a pocos años de ver su sistema religioso apunto de ser destruido? Además, recordemos que los líderes Judíos habían falsificado la palabra de Dios añadiendo reglas sobre casi todo aspecto de la vida es incluso el sábado…Solo pregunto: no sería más difícil para los judíos del primer siglo seguir las instrucciones de cristo de huir de Jerusalén si tenemos en cuenta TODAS esas reglas absurdas que tenían y que No eran parte de la ley? ahora,hoy día nosotros estamos en la misma situación con la sociedad watchtower. Pregunto : no crees que escapar de la sociedad watchtower será más difícil para los que VIVEN su vida apegados a sus normas ?…. espero haber ayudado. ..me alegra participarRobert KingKeymasterFebruary 9, 2017 at 5:05 pmPost count: 33
The sabbath was part of the law that God imposed on the Israelites. God did not expect other nations to observe a sabbath. And no sabbath was imposed upon Christians either. No doubt Jewish Christians continued to observe a Sabbath, least they be accused of apostasy, but the gentile Christians were not to be required to observe it, unless, of course, they lived in Israel. If you recall there was a big controversy over this issue because the Jewish Christians tried to compel the gentile Christians to get circumcised and keep the law. The apostles ruled that it was only necessary to observe these necessary things, which did not include the sabbath.SongofHannahKeymasterMarch 12, 2017 at 4:48 amPost count: 62
Chapter 24 of the “Live Forever” book published in 1982 has the most thorough explanation as to why Christians are no longer under the Law, including the Sabbath, (and is the only WT publication that I’ve ever seen that has a whole chapter on the subject). Some points have already been covered here, but the scriptural reasoning in paragraphs 7-9 are what cinched it for me…
Some persons, however, say that the Law is divided into two parts: The Ten Commandments, and the rest of the laws. The rest of the laws, they say, are what ended, but the Ten Commandments remain. Yet this is not true. In his Sermon on the Mount Jesus quoted from the Ten Commandments as well as other parts of the Law and made no distinction between them. Jesus thus showed that the law of Moses was not divided into two parts.-Matthew 5:21-42.
Notice, too, what the apostle Paul was inspired by God to write: “Now we have been discharged from the Law.” Was it only the laws other than the Ten Commandments that the Jews were discharged from? No, for Paul goes on to say: “Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.'” (Romans 7: 6, 7; Exodus 20:17) Since “You must not covet is the last one of the Ten Commandments, it follows that the Israelites were discharged from the Ten Commandments also.
Does this mean that the law to keep a weekly Sabbath, which is the fourth of the Ten Commandments, was also removed? Yes, it does. What the Bible says at Galatians 48-11 and Colossians 216, 17 shows that Christians are not under God’s law given to the Israelites, with its requirement to keep the weekly Sabbath and to observe other special days in the year. That keeping a weekly Sabbath is not a Christian requirement can also be seen from Romans 14:5
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