The book of Job: Prophetic of Christ's brothers during their humiliation?

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  • SongofHannah
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    Was reading the book of Job yesterday, and couldn’t help getting the distinct impression that in many ways, Job’s words seem prophetic of what Christ’s brothers will undergo, after they have separated from the evil slave and face a test similar to that of the Christ, including being persecuted by their former brothers. And then I got to chapter 19, and it really convinced me. Anyone else think the same? (Marked in bold the phrases that seemed to jump out the most).

    Job 19

    1 Job said in reply:
    2 “How long will you keep irritating my soul,
    Crushing me with words?
    3 These ten times you have rebuked me;
    You are not ashamed to deal harshly with me.
    4 And if indeed I made a mistake,
    My error remains with me.
    5 If you insist on exalting yourselves over me,
    Claiming that the reproach against me is justified,
    6 Know, then, that it is God who has misled me,
    And he has caught me in his hunting net.
    7 Look! I keep crying out, ‘Violence!’ but I get no answer;
    I keep crying for help, but there is no justice.

    8 My path he has blocked with a stone wall, and I cannot pass by;
    He has covered my roadways with darkness.
    9 He has stripped me of my glory
    And removed the crown from my head.

    10 He breaks me down on all sides until I perish;
    My hope he uproots like a tree.
    11 His anger burns against me,
    And he views me as his enemy.
    12 His troops come together and besiege me,
    And they camp around my tent.
    13 My own brothers he has driven far away from me,
    And those who know me have turned away from me.

    14 My close companions are gone,
    And those whom I knew well have forgotten me.
    15 Guests in my house and my slave girls consider me a stranger;
    I am a foreigner in their eyes.
    16 I call for my servant, but he does not respond;
    With my mouth I beg him for compassion.
    17 My very breath has become loathsome to my wife,
    And I am a stench to my own brothers.
    18 Even young children despise me;
    When I rise up, they begin jeering at me.
    19 All my close friends detest me,
    And those whom I loved have turned against me.

    20 My bones stick to my skin and my flesh,
    And I escape with the skin of my teeth.
    21 Show me mercy, my companions, show me mercy,
    For God’s own hand has touched me.
    22 Why do you keep persecuting me as God does,
    Attacking me without letup?

    23 If only my words were written down,
    If only they could be inscribed in a book!
    24 O that they were carved forever in the rock,
    With an iron stylus and lead!
    25 For I well know that my redeemer is alive;
    He will come later and rise up over the earth.

    26 After my skin has thus been destroyed,
    While yet in my flesh, I will see God,
    27 Whom I will see for myself,
    Whom my own eyes will see, not someone else’s.

    But deep inside I feel overwhelmed!
    28 For you say, ‘In what way are we persecuting him?’
    Since the root of the problem is with me.
    29 Be in fear of the sword yourselves,
    For the sword brings punishment against errors;
    You should know that there is a judge.

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    Baruq
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    Hello Hannah.
    It may seem a surprise for some, but the book of Job is clearly a prophetic book. He announced the coming of Christ. If you start reading this book, you may be interested in this 128 pages book: http://www.academia.edu/5613976/The_Book_of_Job_Chronological_Historical_and_Archaeological_Evidence.
    You can read a small part of this document on this page: http://www.baruq.uk/the_book_of_job_why.html

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    Bklyn Kevin
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    I personally believe that Job’s account clearly foreshadows what the great crowd must endure in order to pass the test And Jesus clearly set the example for his his anointed brothers to follow as well.
    Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have come. 1 Corinthians 10:11
    For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our “endurance” and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope. Romans15:4.
    Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life. If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection. Romans 6:4-5.

    Because you kept the word about my endurance,
    (I will also keep you from the hour of test, )
    which is to come upon the whole inhabited earth, to put a test upon those dwelling on the earth.Revelation 3:10
    Jehovah’s witnesses and the governing body might be reading this scriptures thinking that they will be excused from the hour of test because it says ”
    (I will also keep you from the hour of test, )
    but what they have not come to realize is that the test (is to come upon the whole inhabited earth) and since they are on the earth they jehovah’s people will have to endure the test as well, just like Jesus did in order to pass such a test.
    So why does the scriptures clearly say ” (I will also keep you from the hour of test, )
    And on the other hand it’s says the test “(is to come upon the whole inhabited earth)
    There appears to be a contradiction or is there?.
    The truth of the matter is the ones who endure the test to the end faithfully will be saved Because they kept the word about Jesus’ endurance and conquer even why facing certain death.
    So one might ask, how is it that they were spared the test?
    Well if you do your part and remain faithful even in the face of death than Jehovah our great GOD in view of your faithfulness will show his loyal love and deliver you from the hour of test by pouring out his spirit upon all of his faithful thus giving them the endurance necessary to pass such a test provided you remain faithful.
    Hebrews 10:36
    For YOU have need of endurance, in order that, after YOU have done the will of God, YOU may receive the [fulfillment of the] promise
    .Luke 21:19
    By endurance on YOUR part YOU will acquire YOUR souls.
    Psalms 103:
    For as the heavens are higher than the earth, His loving-kindness is superior toward those fearing him. But the loving-kindness of Jehovah is from time indefinite even to time indefinite Toward those fearing him, And his righteousness to the sons of sons, Toward those keeping his covenant And toward those remembering his orders so as to carry them out.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/psalms/103/#v19103011
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    The Hour of Test Coming Upon the World


    . Read a lot more> Search results for: test. https://e-watchman.com/?s=test

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    Bklyn Kevin
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    I personally believe that Job’s account foreshadows what the great crowd must endure in order to pass the test And Jesus clearly set the example for his anointed brothers to follow as well.
    Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have come. 1 Corinthians 10:11
    For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our “endurance” and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope. Romans15:4.
    Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life. If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection. Romans 6:4-5.

    Because you kept the word about my endurance,
    (I will also keep you from the hour of test, )
    which is to come upon the whole inhabited earth, to put a test upon those dwelling on the earth.Revelation 3:10
    Jehovah’s witnesses and the governing body might be reading this scriptures thinking that they will be excused from the hour of test because it says ”
    (I will also keep you from the hour of test, )
    but what they have not come to realize is that the test (is to come upon the whole inhabited earth) and since they are on the earth they jehovah’s people will have to endure the test as well, just like Jesus did in order to pass such a test.
    So why does the scriptures clearly say ” (I will also keep you from the hour of test, )
    And on the other hand it’s says the test “(is to come upon the whole inhabited earth)
    There appears to be a contradiction or is there?.
    The truth of the matter is the ones who endure the test to the end faithfully will be saved Because they kept the word about Jesus’ endurance and conquer even why facing certain death.
    So one might ask, how is it that they were spared the test?
    Well if you do your part and remain faithful even in the face of death than Jehovah our great GOD in view of your faithfulness will show his loyal love and deliver you from the hour of test by pouring out his spirit upon all of his faithful thus giving them the endurance necessary to pass such a test provided you remain faithful.
    Hebrews 10:36
    For YOU have need of endurance, in order that, after YOU have done the will of God, YOU may receive the [fulfillment of the] promise
    .Luke 21:19
    By endurance on YOUR part YOU will acquire YOUR souls.
    Psalms 103:
    For as the heavens are higher than the earth, His loving-kindness is superior toward those fearing him. But the loving-kindness of Jehovah is from time indefinite even to time indefinite Toward those fearing him, And his righteousness to the sons of sons, Toward those keeping his covenant And toward those remembering his orders so as to carry them out.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/psalms/103/#v19103011
    The Hour of Test Coming Upon the World. Read more>

    The Hour of Test Coming Upon the World

    <iframe width=”600″ height=”636″ title=”“The Hour of Test Coming Upon the World” — The Watchman’s Post” class=”wp-embedded-content” src=”https://e-watchman.com/hour-of-test-coming-upon-the-world/embed/#?secret=a9rlxbMA5m” frameborder=”0″ marginwidth=”0″ marginheight=”0″ scrolling=”no” sandbox=”allow-scripts” data-secret=”a9rlxbMA5m”></iframe>
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    SongofHannah
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    You can read a small part of this document on this page: http://www.baruq.uk/the_book_of_job_why.html

    Baruq, that was truly a fascinating read! It had some amazing insights. I found the likeness of stars to the angels in scripture quite enlightening. I am definitely going to give that subject further study. Thank you so much for sharing it!

    Hello Hannah.
    It may seem a surprise for some, but the book of Job is clearly a prophetic book. He announced the coming of Christ. If you start reading this book, you may be interested in this 128 pages book: http://www.academia.edu/5613976/The_Book_of_Job_Chronological_Historical_and_Archaeological_Evidence.

    I will download and read this as well. Thanks again. 🙂

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    SongofHannah
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    I personally believe that Job’s account clearly foreshadows what the great crowd must endure in order to pass the test And Jesus clearly set the example for his his anointed brothers to follow as well.
    Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have come.

    Thank you Kevin, now that you’ve shared that, I see that aspect as well. Seems the book of Job is deeper in meaning than I could have ever imagined!

    O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments are and beyond tracing out his ways are!

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    SongofHannah
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    Hello Hannah.
    It may seem a surprise for some, but the book of Job is clearly a prophetic book. He announced the coming of Christ. If you start reading this book, you may be interested in this 128 pages book: http://www.academia.edu/5613976/The_Book_of_Job_Chronological_Historical_and_Archaeological_Evidence.

    I finally finished this book. Quite an involved read, and I couldn’t buy into everything written in it, but I did pick up a few great gems in it, that I thoroughly enjoyed learning!

    Here’s a list of a few of those gems:

    An answer with no answer?

    Given the context of the misfortunes of Job is fully misunderstood, it implies also a misunderstanding of the answer to the question: Why does God allow evil?, the scholarly answer generally is the following: So why did God put Job through all of his suffering? Primarily it was to reveal Himself to Job. Through this interrogation, God has taught Job that He alone created everything —the heavens and the earth, and all that is in them— and He alone controls all that He created. He alone has the right to do with His own as He pleases. He is under no obligation to explain His actions to His creation. He alone is sovereign and unaccountable to anyone118. So, God would have had written a book to answer that he did not want to answer! Which logical mind can accept such a nonsense, except to assume an authoritarian God, even a little sadistic? -pg 28

    Jannes and Jambres: Who were they?

    Although Moses was established Pharaoh (Apopi) from his childhood (Ex 2:8-10, 11:3, Ac 7:21-22, Heb 11:24-26), some Hebrew princes refused to cooperate with him: Now in those days, after Moses had become an adult (he was 40), he went out to his brothers to look at the burdens they were bearing, and he caught sight of an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his brothers. So he looked this way and that, and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. But he went out on the following day, and there were two Hebrew men fighting with each other. So he said to the one in the wrong: Why do you strike your companion? At this he said: Who appointed you as a prince and a judge over us? Are you planning to kill me just as you killed the Egyptian? Moses now was afraid and said: Surely the matter has become known! Then Pharaoh heard about it, and he attempted to kill Moses; but Moses ran away from Pharaoh and went to dwell in the land of Midian, and he sat down by a well (Ex 2:11-15); Now in the way that Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these also go on opposing the truth. Such men are completely corrupted in mind, disapproved as regards the faith (2Ti 3:8). The precision: disapproved as regards the faith proves that they were Jewish rulers, not Egyptian priests. – pg 30

    The Maccabees believed Daniel’s fulfillment occurred. (Much like WT believes Daniel’s fulfillment is in the past.)

    The first eschatological calculations163 to know when the anointed or messianic164 king would restore the “world to come (or Paradise)” began after Judah Maccabee purified on 25th of Kislev (14th December 164 BCE) the defiled Temple of Jerusalem and restored the service in the Temple165. Indeed, the Maccabean Revolt, from 167 to 160 BCE, between a Judean rebel group known as the Maccabees and the Seleucid Empire, was viewed by many pious Jews as the beginning of a messianic era (cf. Is 61:1-2) because King Antiochus IV Epiphanes was seen as the one who fulfilled the prophecy mentioned in Daniel 9:27 and 11:31 about “the disgusting thing causing the desolation” which is “until the time of the end” (Dn 9:26; 11:35) and, consequently, the passages in Daniel: casting down some of the host and stars… the prince of the host (Dn 8:10-11); shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself (Dn 9:26); and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant (Dn 11:22), were generally referred to as the murder (c. 172 BCE) of the former High Priest Onias III166 (2M 4:30-38). This Jewish interpretation of Daniel’s prophecies is described in the Book of Maccabees: Many of the people —that is, every apostate from the Law— rallied to them, and so committed evil in the country, forcing Israel into hiding in all their places of refuge. On the 15th day of Chislev in the year 145 (8th December 167 BCE) the king erected the abomination of desolation above the altar; and altars were built in the surrounding towns of Judah and incense offered at the doors of houses and in the streets. Any books of the Law that came to light were torn up and burned. Whenever anyone was discovered possessing a copy of the covenant or practising the Law, the king’s decree sentenced him to death. Having might on their side they took action month after month against any offenders they discovered in the towns of Israel. On the 25th day of the month sacrifice was offered on the altar erected over the altar of holocaust (…) On the 25th of the 9th month, Chislev, in the year 148 (14th December 164 BCE), they rose at dawn and offered a lawful sacrifice on the new altar of holocausts which they had made (1M 1:53-59; 4:52-53). The historian Josephus also explains: Now it is fitting to relate certain things about this man (Daniel) which one may greatly wonder at hearing, namely that all things happened to him in a marvellously fortunate way as to one of the greatest prophets and during his lifetime he received honour and esteem from kings and people, and, since his death, his memory lives on eternally. For the books which he wrote and left behind are still read by us even now, and we are convinced by them that Daniel spoke with God, for he was not only wont to prophesy future things, as did the other prophets, but he also fixed the time at which these would come to pass. And, whereas the other prophets foretold disasters and were for that reason in disfavour with kings and people, Daniel was a prophet of good tidings to them, so that through the auspiciousness of his predictions he attracted the goodwill of all, while from their realization he gained credit among the multitude for his truthfulness and at the same time won their esteem for his divine power. And he left behind writings in which he has made plain to us the accuracy and faithfulness to truth of his prophecies (…) And there would arise from their number a certain king who would make war on the Jewish nation and their laws, deprive them of the form of government based on these laws, spoil the temple and prevent the sacrifices from being offered for 3 years. And these misfortunes our nation did in fact come to experience under Antiochus Epiphanes, just as Daniel many years before saw and wrote that they would happen. In the same manner Daniel also wrote about the empire of the Romans and that Jerusalem would be taken by them and the temple laid waste. All these things, as God revealed them to him, he left behind in his writings, so that those who read them and observe how they have come to pass must wonder at Daniel’s having been so honoured by God, and learn from these facts how mistaken are the Epicureans, who exclude Providence from human life and refuse to believe that God governs its affairs (Jewish Antiquities X:266-276). According to the comments on Daniel 9:26 found at Qumran167, the Messiah suppressed after the 62 weeks is the messenger announcing the good news, described in Isaiah 61:2 and David’s Messiah had also to fulfil the prophecy of Genesis 49:10, announcing that he would be a king from the tribe of Judah. The Targums of Onkelos and Jerusalem confirm that Shilo (“It is to him”) would be a king identical to the liberating messiah. In order to support this interpretation, the translator of the book of Daniel168 modified (c. 160 BCE) the Greek text to fit it to these events as well as the translator of the Book of Job regarding Behemoth and Leviathan. -pg 47

    The cry of Peace & Security: By who?

    Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves (1Th 5:1-4). According to Josephus, Cestius Gallus (7-67) was legate of Syria from 63 CE (but in Judea from 65 CE). He marched into Judea with a force of over 30,000 men in September 66 CE in an attempt to restore order at the outset of the Great Jewish Revolt but unexpectedly he was defeated by a small Jewish army191. The Jews of Jerusalem believed they had been miraculously protected and thus they shouted “Peace and security”, in contrast, the Jewish Christians fled to Pella a town of Perea, according to Eusebius (History of the Church 3:5:3). As Jesus had prophesied (Lk 19:43-44; 21:20-24), they waited until the Roman armies destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem and without pity killed its inhabitants (in August 70 CE).

    A clue to what makes for a prophetic week (Dan 9:25-27)

    The word “week” is usually feminine in Hebrew whereas is masculine in Daniel’s text. To keep this variant, translators use either the term “weeks [of years]” or the word “sevens”.

    Lying signs and portents (much like today)

    The historian Josephus also explains: “Now it is fitting to relate certain things about this man (Daniel) which one may greatly wonder at hearing, namely that all things happened to him in a marvellously fortunate way as to one of the greatest prophets and during his lifetime he received honour and esteem from kings and people, and, since his death, his memory lives on eternally. For the books which he wrote and left behind are still read by us even now, and we are convinced by them that Daniel spoke with God, for he was not only wont to prophesy future things, as did the other prophets, but he also fixed the time at which these would come to pass. And, whereas the other prophets foretold disasters and were for that reason in disfavour with kings and people, Daniel was a prophet of good tidings to them, so that through the auspiciousness of his predictions he attracted the goodwill of all, while from their realization he gained credit among the multitude for his truthfulness and at the same time won their esteem for his divine power. And he left behind writings in which he has made plain to us the accuracy and faithfulness to truth of his prophecies (…) And there would arise from their number a certain king who would make war on the Jewish nation and their laws, deprive them of the form of government based on these laws, spoil the temple and prevent the sacrifices from being offered for 3 years. And these misfortunes our nation did in fact come to experience under Antiochus Epiphanes, just as Daniel many years before saw and wrote that they would happen. In the same manner Daniel also wrote about the empire of the Romans and that Jerusalem would be taken by them and the temple laid waste. All these things, as God revealed them to him, he left behind in his writings, so that those who read them and observe how they have come to pass must wonder at Daniel’s having been so honoured by God, and learn from these facts how mistaken are the Epicureans, who exclude Providence from human life and refuse to believe that God governs its affairs.” (Jewish Antiquities X:266-276).

    Christ’s Jubilee?

    33/34 CE -At the beginning of his ministry, Jesus preached a year of release to come (Lk 4:18), and he specified that it (Jubilee year) would be greater than that of a traditional Jubilee (Jn 8:36). This year of release is linked to his death (Rm 8:2) on 14th Nisan 33 CE which then marked the start of a Jubilee. As the Jews no longer observed sabbatical and Jubilee years, the New Testament does not mention it. However it can be noted that Jesus began preaching to large crowds only on 1st Nisan 32, which marked the start of the sabbatical year (Jn 6:1-10), and that the colt borrowed in Nisan 33 (Mk 11:3) was not paid for according to buying practices of the Jubilee year (Lv 25:13-16).

    133/132 -According to the Book of Maccabees, Simon went to Jericho in 177 SE, in the 11th month (Shebat), and was killed with his two sons by Ptolemy (1M 16:14-16). Josephus specifies that this happened during a sabbatical year (Jewish Antiquities 13:8:1,2) which he dated to the 162nd Olympiad (132 BCE). Since the Seleucid Era started in April 311 BCE, the year 177 SE corresponds to 133 BCE, and the sabbatical year was 133/132.

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    Bklyn Kevin
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    That was an interesting read Hannah thank you, especially the part about peace and security in which I will further investigate.

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