- seekerforgodskingdomParticipantNovember 27, 2017 at 3:25 pmPost count: 16
********* They Are Saying “Peace and Security!” **********
Where is to happen/take place this event ? in the world , or within God’s people ?
Jesus brought something new (from His and ours Father ) : the knowledge of the Father’s purpose and will :
to have worshipers “with spirit and with truth”
a worshiper “with spirit” is that one who observe strictly the will of the Father in each action , because the Father is the Spirit
Father has commanded us to obey His Son :”This is my beloved Son, Listen to Him !”
And the Son said : “Your word is TRUTH ”
Jesus knew Father’s clearly expressed “will” regarding the time and the frame of “end-time prophecies” ,
as it were declared to Daniel ( cap 10 )
14. “Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen
— to your people
— in the latter days,
for the vision pertains to the days yet future.”
So, it is very clear , Jesus conformed Himself to Father’s will , and everything he preached from old prophecies , He put it in relations with “God’s people” !
His apostles followed Him in this way , because this means to “abide” or to “remain” in the Teaching of Christ ! …
….the only way to HAVE BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON !
9. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God;
the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
WHEN apostle Paul wrote the inspired words in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 , he surely knew Father’s will toward Jesus’ followers , and acted accordingly !
SO , the cry “Peace and security” MUST HAVE ITS FULFILMENT within God’s people , toward the end of the “latter days”
WHO are THEY who cry “peace and security” ?
They are some who ” had been of us … but they were not really of us” !
1 John 2
19. They went out from us, but they were not really of us;
for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us;
but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
Who are “of us” the apostle John is speaking about here ?
..”of us” are the anointed brothers of Christ , the co-followers with apostle John , who all where “abiding” in the Teaching of Christ ! (2 John9 )
… and those who “were not really of us” are those called “weeds” , workers of LAWLESSNESS , who “will secretly introduce destructive heresies” …
2 Peter 2
1. But false prophets also arose among the people (of God ), just as there will also be false teachers among you,
who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them,
bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
SO , these ones who ” had been of us … but they were not really of us” CONSTITUTES themselves in the group called “FALSE PROPHET”
LET us find what was prophesied regarding these “false prophets”
16. Thus says the LORD of hosts,
“Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you
They are leading you into futility;
They speak a vision of their own imagination,
Not from the mouth of the LORD.
17. “They keep saying to those who despise Me,
‘The LORD has said, “you will have peace “‘; (the cry for : PEACE )
And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart,
They say, ‘Calamity will not come upon you.’ ( the cry for SECURITY )
DO we understand now what the cry “peace and security” IS ?
This CRY comes from these prophets whom JEHOVAH SENT NOT !
They (the Gov.Body and those editing the “spiritual food” or interpretations ) are desperately TRYING TO ASSURE those believing THE LIE (despising Jehovah / walking in the stubbornness of their own heart, idolatrizing the WT and the FDS ) THAT THEY WILL HAVE PEACE AND SECURITY from Jehovah’s part if they will continue to follow themselves (the FALSE PROPHETS) and to remain in the so-called “God’s earthly organization”!
BUT SUDDEN DESTRUCTION IS TO BE INSTANTLY UPON THEM (both the false teachers and their -conscious- followers) !
Nowaday there is a spiritual fight between the “spiritual leadership” of “organization” and the real “brothers of Christ”, I mean the “least ones” (Matt 25:40 / Revelation 17:14 )
in this battle the “Fds” uses interpretations of God’s word in order to consolidate their own (and their organization) positions , interpretations that comes not from God’s Holy Spirit .
These “private interpretations” invented and used in order to deceive are named in Bible “sorceries” – 1 Timothy 4:1 / Isaiah 57:3 / Isaiah 47:9 / Rev 21:27 / Rev 22:15
seekerFrank CongerParticipantMarch 12, 2018 at 5:29 pmPost count: 108
Here is my take on Daniel 7. Don’t know if the formatting from word with different color highlights will come across or not. Probably not.
In the first year of King Bel·shazʹzar+ of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions of his head as he lay on his bed. + Then he wrote down the dream;+ he recorded a complete account of the matters. 2 Daniel declared: “I was watching in my visions during the night, and look! the four winds of the heavens were stirring up the vast sea.+ 3 *** [Apparently during the modern fulfillment of this prophecy the sealing of the Bride is done]…[ After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise,* having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth [demon angels] and the sea, 3 saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed+ the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” Revelation 7:1-3. So, the four winds blow only “after” the sealing is completed.
And four huge beasts+ came out of the sea, (this will be in rather quick succession) each different from the others.4 “The first one was like a lion,+ and it had the wings of an eagle.+[In the fulfillment in Bible times this was Babylon (they used the lion with wings all over that kingdom) (but today it is the Anglo/American world power, the lion being the symbol of the British Empire (Monarchy) and the Eagle being the symbol of the U.S.], [Their rising up will be in reaction to the destruction of The City of London and Wall Street by some sort of “fire from heaven”, nuclear bombs or some other more modern technology perhaps]. I watched until its wings were plucked out, (the Chinese and Russians both have developed highly sophisticated electronic jamming technology that has and can cripple both jets and ships). [The wings being plucked represents bringing the Airforces of the Anglo/American power to the earth.] and it was lifted up from the earth and was made to stand up on two feet like a man, and it was given the heart of a man. [It no longer has the power or position to act as a beast, it is in submission to the superior authorities] 5 “And look! another beast, a second one, like a bear.+ (In Bible times this was Medo/Persia but today everyone speaks of the Russian “Bear”, and when the U.S. Airforce is crippled, they will use that opportunity to “eat much flesh”, or take over the Baltic States or some other nearby prey. It says that the bear rises up on one side, which I think is toward the West as they have a cooperation agreement with the East through the BRICS nations co-op). It was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and it was told, ‘Get up, eat much flesh.’+6 “After this I kept watching, and look! another beast, like a leopard,+ (in Bible times this was Greece and Alexander the Great but today it is the BRICS nations headed by China and India. They all have leopards within their territories (except Brazil which has a Jaguar that is mistaken many times for a leopard). They also have their own Central Bank and electronic funds transfer system all ready to go when the Western Banks fail.) but on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. And the beast had four heads,+ and it was given authority to rule.7 (Four heads and wings suggests four months of intermittent rulership. They will have authority to rule only till the transition is ready for the image of the beast, which is the fourth beast of Daniel 7, the new and improved U.N. with worldwide military authority). “After this I kept watching in the visions of the night, and I saw a fourth beast, (In Bible times this was Rome, but now it will be the image of the beast, the SON of the current U.N. which will go down when WWIII starts just as the league went down at the start or WWII (you can’t have a Worldwide peace organization when you have World War)), fearsome and terrifying and unusually strong, and it had large iron teeth. It was devouring and crushing, and what was left it trampled down with its feet.+ It was different from all the other beasts that were prior to it, and it had ten horns.8 (These “ten horns” are “those kings” as in “in the days of those kings” of Daniel 2:44 and the ten kings of Revelation 17:12 ( “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast [the fourth beast of Daniel 7]. Rev. 17:12). While I considered the horns, look! another horn, a small one,+ came up among them, and three of the first horns were plucked up from before it. And look! there were eyes like human eyes in this horn, and there was a mouth speaking arrogantly. [They have been cast down to earth and are inhabiting the bodies of humans that were chosen for that purpose (Satans seed, Antichrist’s)] .*+[Ever since Satan has run this system he has done it by heading a Nation State system and heading the most powerful Nation State (Such as Anglo/America, it is how he chooses to rule). This fourth beast will be different, so it will have a different leader. One who prefers world domination and tyrannical power. Satan has a rebellion on his hands and we are seeing the outward signs of this in our governments moving toward a worldwide tyranny and showing huge disruptions that have only started] [Satan is getting a taste of his own medicine, his firstborn angelic Son is attempting to usurp his power, like he did Jehovah’s and he (Satan’s Son) apparently has the backing of many of Satan’s angels who are here on earth ready to pull off their coup (and share world power more evenly, even if only for “a short time”), they know they only have “a short time”, but a short time of worldwide domination is better than no time in full power, at least to the demons, that is]9 “I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days+ [you see, the image of Daniel 2 is long gone when the Kingdom of God holds court, so it was not the Kingdom that destroyed the image, it was the rebel demons who plotted to overthrow Satan’s Nation State system, as you will see, God’s Kingdom destroys the fourth beast which has become a kingdom over the whole earth like it was said of the stone of Daniel 2, ][ But the stone that struck the image became a large mountain, and it filled the whole earth. Daniel 2:35 (worldwide tyrannical government of the demons] sat down.+ His clothing was white like snow,+ and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.+ 10 A stream of fire was flowing and going out from before him.+ A thousand thousands kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.+ The Court+ took its seat, and books were opened.11 “I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant* words that the horn was speaking;+ I watched until the beast was killed [Beast 4 of Daniel 7]. Satan’s Son destroys the Nation State system (he cuts the stone out of the mountain of this system of things (the shadow government does this) and destroys Anglo/America through destruction of Wall Street and the City of London)(the stone hits the feet of the image which are Britain and the United States), dominated by Satan through the Anglo/American partnership] and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire.[This is the fourth beast of Daniel 7 that is destroyed by the Kingdom of God as seen in Daniel 7] 12 But as for the rest of the beasts,+ [the lion/eagle, the Bear, The leopard ] their rulership’s were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time [a month] and a season.[three months]13 “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man+ was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days [This is someone other than Jehovah whose life cannot be measured in days, no matter how many as he lives outside of time] ,+ and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership,+ honor,+ and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him.+ His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.+, [(This is not Jesus and Jehovah as many think. First of all, Jehovah is from everlasting to everlasting so his age cannot and is not measured in days)(Jesus was proclaimed the heavenly King of God’s Kingdom in the heavens before coming to earth in Revelation 12. This is describing the inauguration of the Kingdom of God on Earth] (“Let your Kingdom come, let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”) Daniel, my spirit was distressed within me because the visions of my head frightened me.+ 16 I went near to one of those who were standing there to ask him about the true meaning of this. So he replied and made known to me the interpretation of these things.17 “‘These huge beasts, four in number,+ are four kings who will stand up from the earth. [After the sealing of all born again Sons of God are sealed]+ 18 But the holy ones [there are holy ones who reign in the heavens with Christ and holy ones who reign under that Kingdom on Earth, the earthly rulers is the talent that the Watchtower hid by burying it in the ground, they are the second new covenant of which you know nothing of thanks to the wicked and evil slaves in the WT] of the Supreme One+ will receive the kingdom,+ and they will possess the kingdom+ forever, yes, forever and ever.’19 “Then I wanted to know more about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others; it was extraordinarily fearsome, with iron teeth and copper claws, and it was devouring and crushing, and trampling down what was left with its feet;+20 and about the ten horns+ on its head, and the other horn that came up and before which three fell,+ the horn that had eyes and a mouth speaking arrogantly* and whose appearance was bigger than that of the others.21 “I kept watching as that horn made war on the holy ones, and it was prevailing against them,+ 22 until the Ancient of Days+ came and judgment was rendered in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme One, [against the fourth beast of Daniel 7 not the image of Daniel 2, which is long gone by this time] + and the appointed time arrived for the holy ones to take possession of the kingdom.+ [on the earth, as this has already happened in the heavens as described in Rev. 12:10b, [“Now have come to pass the salvationp and the power and the Kingdom of our Godq and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!”] 23 “This is what he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it.+ 24 As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom; and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings.+ 25 He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+ 26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens [Jesus Heavenly Kingdom of 144,001] were given to the people (still in human bodies though born again) [not angels outwardly, but born again] who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, [on earth] + and all rulerships [all 144,000 Kingdoms on earth] will serve and obey them.’28 “This is the end of the matter. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts alarmed me greatly, so that I turned pale;* but I kept the matter in my own heart.”Frank CongerParticipantMarch 12, 2018 at 5:33 pmPost count: 108
The cry of “peace and security” comes not at the beginning of the last days with the arrival of Christ and his Bride for their presence, but comes with the establishment of the “fourth beast” of Daniel 7 which will outlaw earthly warfare after they “securitize” the earth with the “mark of the beast” #4. It is very soon after this proclamation that the Kingdom of God from the heavens destroys this beast as described in the latter part of Daniel 7.
FrankFrank CongerParticipantMarch 14, 2018 at 10:15 pmPost count: 108
Peace and Security will not be proclaimed until at least the establishment of the 4th beast of Daniel 7 takes power which will initiate the mark of the beast which will tie down security to the point that there will be no more nuclear weapons blown off. Then quite immediately they will receive judgment and complete destruction as described in the latter part of Daniel 7.
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