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  • Frank CongerFrank Conger
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    Sorry this is long. It is a lot of information. My opinion only! I discovered I could re-edit it after posting.

    Mark of the Beast (causing to become “dead”)

    (I think it is primarily symbolic but has a literal fulfillment as well.) This is just my take, I am not Pontificating!

    14 It ((two horned beast—Revived Anglo/America under the control of the deep State, not Trump who will be eliminated in some way))misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast(( the destruction of Anglo/America and with it any hope of a revival of the Nation-State system)), while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image+ to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived.(((not only does the sword stroke bring down the Anglo/American, a head of the beast, the whole beast temporarily dies due to World War, how can you be a worldwide peace organization if there is World War thriving, you can’t)))+ 15 And it was permitted to give breath* to the image of the wild beast (((this is the newly born U.N., the image or SON of the U.N. and this one is one mean sucker, it is the 4th beast of Daniel 7))), so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast. Revelation 13: 14,15

    This may mean “killed” in the traditional sense as some may be “martyred” for their faith for not complying to the beast’s request, but I also think it is symbolic. In the end there seems to be two type of people, the wicked who take the mark and worship the 4th beast of Daniel 7 and those that choose not to do either. They neither worship the beast, and nor do they take the mark.

    So, what is their fate. Well, this is the time of distress mentioned in Daniel 12. Michael stands up during this time, with his angels who will “harvest” those mentioned in Revelation who “come out of the great tribulation”.

    We know that you can be “literally” killed for not taking the mark. Bingo, you win! But, death is symbolically displayed when we are “baptized” into a covenant with God. So, the mark of the beast could “cause to be “killed” or “baptized” into salvation (Romans 6:3-5) as mentioned in both Daniel 12 and Revelation. People will wake up to what it really means to have faith in God and Christ for the first time in their lives, via the message from the angels who are “roving about”” with the true knowledge” at last.
    I think the “many who will rove about”, “and the “true knowledge will become abundant” is not Jehovah’s Witnesses preaching, nor any other religion, but is the angels who are “harvesting”. Daniel 12:4b

    Along with Daniel 12:9,10 where it says:
    9 “ Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end.+ 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined.+ And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand”.+ Daniel 12: 9, 10

    There are only two type of people here. Those that understand or who “have insight, from the angels” and those that don’t. Those that understand and have insight will come from all walks of life and all religions. Up till now they have been “asleep” (including JW’s) but their faith and understanding will be awakened by the angels who are “roving about” making the true knowledge “abundant”.

    The wicked will not understand this message even if they get to hear it. But all those with faith in God will awaken to the truth of God’s salvation message and will “make themselves white with the blood of the lamb”. This will include many JW’s who awaken from slumber and also those in Babylon who have hearts leaning toward God and righteousness who have simply been suckered by this world who will finally hear a succinct message of truth from the harvesting angels. This is Jehovah and Jesus’ refining work. The angels can read the hearts and will know if a person is right for the message or are wicked.

    So, as evil as this time will be and the distress that it will bring with it for all people, it will also act as motivation for the righteous hearted to listen to the abundant knowledge that the harvesting angels will bring with them. The “mark” will “cause to be “killed”” everyone. The wicked will be killed and sent to Gehenna and the right hearted will refine themselves and make themselves “white with the blood of the lamb” in a baptism into a covenant with God during the tribulation and come out of the great tribulation for salvation. So, the mark will cause them to “live”, not die.

    12 “During that time Miʹcha·el*+ will stand up,* the great prince+ who is standing in behalf of your people.* And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape,+ everyone who is found written down in the book.+ 2 And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. Daniel 12: 1, 2

    Many will rove about,* and the true knowledge will become abundant.”+ Daniel 12:4b

    9 Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end.+ 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined.+And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand.+ Daniel 12: 9, 10

    Frank

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    Frank CongerFrank Conger
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    This originally had proper spacing but when I posted, it seems to have re-formatted it. Next time I will write my response here so that the formatting does not get messed up. It seems to happen on all forums.

    Frank

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    Luigi004Luigi004
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    I think that some people of religious organizations will be saved… specially those from christendom. But I dont think that religions will be the source of true knowledge. All the contrary, during the time of the end many false prophets will arise and mislead many. Thats why it will be so difficult for people that right now and until the cry of peace and security dont know the truth about God and Jesus, because taken by the despair of that time, they will be easily mislead but those who already know their God it wont be that easy.

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