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    Jehovah’s Witnesses all believe Jesus said there “could be” an Evil Slave Class, not that there would be. But what does the Bible say?

    Matthew 24:48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.

    Do you see it says “but if ever that”? Jesus isn’t questioning the existence of the Evil Slave, he is saying if the evil slave ever develops a certain behavior, something will happen.

    Example: “But if ever Donald Trump says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards…

    Do you see, Jesus is not questioning the existence of Donald Trump, but saying if ever Donald Trump behaves a certain way, then the master will do something. It is well known Donald Trump is a person.

    The Evil Slave can do many evil things without getting a reaction from the master, only when he does that certain action described by Jesus, does Jesus react a certain way.

    Now I don’t want to get into conspiracies or anything, because some have told me when Jesus says they get drunk with the confirmed drunkards, it means in a spiritual sense, but if this were to be taken literally, I fear it is already happening, based off what I heard from multiple sources in an exjw site, from people that were former bethelites and a former helper of the Governing Body. Take that with a grain of salt.

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    ZeekZeek
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    It’s primarily spiritual & moral intoxication (delusion), yet naturally that could still include litteral drunkenness as its fruitage…

    Isa 28:1-15
    Woe to the eminent crown of the drunkards of E’phra·im, and the fading blossom of its decoration of beauty that is upon the head of the fertile valley of those overpowered by wine! 2 Look! Jehovah has someone strong and vigorous. Like a thunderous storm of hail, a destructive storm, like a thunderous storm of powerful, flooding waters, he will certainly do a casting down to the earth with force. 3 With the feet the eminent crowns of the drunkards of E’phra·im will be trampled down. 4 And the fading flower of its decoration of beauty that is upon the head of the fertile valley must become like the early fig before summer, that, when the seer sees it, while it is yet in his palm, he swallows it down. 5 In that day Jehovah of armies will become as a crown of decoration and as a garland of beauty to the ones remaining over of his people, 6 and as a spirit of justice to the one sitting in the judgment, and as mightiness [to] those turning away the battle from the gate. 7 And these also—because of wine they have gone astray and because of intoxicating liquor they have wandered about. Priest and prophet—they have gone astray because of intoxicating liquor, they have become confused as a result of the wine, they have wandered about as a result of the intoxicating liquor; they have gone astray in their seeing, they have reeled as to decision. 8 For the tables themselves have all become full of filthy vomit—there is no place [without it]. 9 Whom will one instruct in knowledge, and whom will one make understand what has been heard? Those who have been weaned from the milk, those moved away from the breasts? 10 For it is “command upon command, command upon command, measuring line upon measuring line, measuring line upon measuring line, here a little, there a little.” 11 For by those stammering with their lips and by a different tongue he will speak to this people, 12 those to whom he has said: “This is the resting-place. GIVE rest to the weary one. And this is the place of ease,” but who were not willing to hear. 13 And to them the word of Jehovah will certainly become “command upon command, command upon command, measuring line upon measuring line, measuring line upon measuring line, here a little, there a little,” in order that they may go and certainly stumble backwards and actually be broken and ensnared and caught. 14 Therefore hear the word of Jehovah, YOU braggarts, YOU rulers of this people who are in Jerusalem: 15 Because YOU men have said: “We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with She’ol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves”.

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    Ken_RosenbergKen_Rosenberg
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    Can you elaborate more?

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