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  • Ken_RosenbergKen_Rosenberg
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    Numbers 32:11-13
    The men who came up out of Egypt from 20 years old and up will not see the land of which I have sworn to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because they have not followed me wholeheartedly— except Caʹleb the son of Je·phunʹneh the Kenʹiz·zite and Joshua the son of Nun, because they have followed Jehovah wholeheartedly.’ So Jehovah’s anger blazed against Israel and he made them wander about in the wilderness for 40 years, until all the GENERATION that was doing evil in the eyes of Jehovah came to its end.

    If there was an overlapping Generation, wouldn’t have the Israelites wondered the wilderness for an additional 20 years until all those who witnessed these things passed away? If the way the GB explains “this generation” is Biblically correct, then why did Jehovah make the Israelites wonder the dessert for 40 years until the generation of the men of 20 years and above passed away? Wouldn’t they have had to wonder the desert for an additional 20-60 years until those who overlapped with the dead Israelites also passed away?

    Contemporary ≠ Generation

    The GB has been trying to change the definition of Generation since the early days, you will learn about this by reading Crisis of Conscience. The Bible is clearly defining a generation in Matthew 1; a patrilineal succession. So of course, the generation mentioned Exodus 1:6 can vary by large age gap, because they all had the same father. But if there was a certain event that took place before Joseph was born that only his brothers witnessed, he would not be considered part of that generation in relation to that random event. Therefore, in relation to the random event that is 1914 in this case, anyone born in the generation of 1915+ is not part of the generation of 1915, but when speaking of that decade they are part of the same generation, Matthew 24:36 states that this generation witnessing these things will not pass away, anyone born after 1914 did not witness the supposed Kingdom Coming, so they cannot be included as part of that generation but only contemporaries. The generations of 1914 has passed away, they are 103+ years old now.

    The Governing Body claims that if a baby was born at the end of a 92-year-old man’s life, they are part of the same generation. He is basically saying a Son and Father are of the same generation because their lives overlap, I mean really? This is not secular societies definition of a generation, but more importantly, that is not the Bible’s definition of a generation, David Splane is mixing the definition of Generation with Contemporary, the 92 year old man and the baby are contemporaries, not part of the same Generation. Matthew 1 clearly defines what a generation is, which is exclusive to successors (a son succeeds his father), not overlapping age groups, if it were, would the generation after the deportation from Babylon not also include Ze·rubʹba·bel?

    Does Jehovah quantify a generation differently than Men do? Not per the Bible. Just by reading the Bible, you will learn what the maximum and minimum range values are for a generation. Genesis 15:16 ”But they will return here in the fourth generation, because the error of the Amʹor·ites has not yet reached its full measure.” Here is Barne’s Notes on Genesis 15:16:

    Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
    In the fourth age. – An age here means the average period from the birth to the death of one man. This use of the word is proved by Numbers 32:13 – “He made them wander in the wilderness for forty years, until all the generation that had done evil in the sight of the Lord was consumed.” This age or generation ran parallel with the life of Moses, and therefore consisted of one hundred and twenty years. Joseph lived one hundred and ten years. Four such generations amount to four hundred and eighty or four hundred and forty years. From the birth of Isaac to the return to the land of promise was an interval of four hundred and forty years. Isaac, Levi, Amram, and Eleazar may represent the four ages.

    For the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet full. – From this simple sentence we have much to learn. First. The Lord foreknows the moral character of people. Second. In his providence he administers the affairs of nations on the principle of moral rectitude. Third. Nations are spared until their iniquity is full. Fourth. They are then cut off in retributive justice. Fifth. The Amorite was to be the chief nation extirpated for its iniquity on the return of the seed of Abram. Accordingly, we find the Amorites occupying by conquest the country east of the Jordan, from the Arnon to Mount Hermon, under their two kings, Sihon and Og Numbers 21:21-35. On the west of Jordan we have already met them at En-gedi and Hebron, and they dwelt in the mountains of Judah and Ephraim Numbers 13:29, whence they seem to have crossed the Jordan for conquest Numbers 21:26. Thus had they of all the tribes that overspread the land by far the largest extent of territory. And they seem to have been extinguished as a nation by the invasion of Israel, as we hear no more of them in the subsequent history of the country.

    If you calculate the average, you will find that the maximum age of a Generation should be either 120 years per Genesis 6:3 “Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.”” Or 110 years, both numbers are taken from the 4 generations mentioned in Genesis 15:16. And the minimum being 42 years if you divide the 42 generations in Matthew 1 from the birth of Abraham (1800 BCE).

    You can rest assured, David Splane is lying with his “pyramid scheme compensation plan” like explanation of Overlapping Generations. His NuLite© is a scam, designed to avoid the disaster that took place in 1975.

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    Robert KingRobert King
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    Hi Ken

    How about keeping it to a maximum of one new topic per day? Thanks

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