The Time Will Come

//The Time Will Come

This week in the Life and Ministry mid-week meeting all of the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world will be considering the span of chapters in Ezekiel, 6-10. No doubt the congregations will hear the brothers on the platform repeat the Watchtower’s well-worn expressions about how we must keep pace with Jehovah’s fast-moving celestial chariot and how Christendom’s fiery end is near —symbolized by the doomed city of Jerusalem —and how Jehovah’s Witnesses are being marked for survival.

The series of visions the prophet Ezekiel experienced do indeed convey something far more profound and far-reaching than the destruction of the ancient city of Jerusalem 2,500 centuries ago. To be sure, Ezekiel’s extensive prophecy has to do with the judgments of Jehovah to come, coinciding with the second coming of Christ in his Kingdom.

That is, in fact, what is represented by the immense, overawing chariot supported by the living creatures and cherubs. While Jehovah’s throne is envisioned in similar terms in Revelation, it is fixed in the highest heaven; whereas, the throne upon the wheels within wheels is movable and comes into proximity of the earth —bringing with it a roiling tempest. This can only symbolize the coming of the King of kings in heavenly glory to commence the judgment. (In ancient times it was the practice of kings to accompany their armies into battle in their royal chariots.)

It is true, Ezekiel indicated that the one seated upon the mobile throne possesses the glory of the Almighty. But that description must surely apply to the Son when he comes in the glory of his Father. After all, is not Jesus the exact image and representation of his Almighty Father? And is he not authorized to judge in the name of Jehovah?

Ominously, the towering chariot stealthily moves into position over Jerusalem. Then the command is given to the man dressed in linen: “Enter between the wheelwork, under the cherubs, and fill both your hands with burning coals from between the cherubs and toss them over the city.” Thus, the fiery execution of Jehovah’s denunciation begins.

Several centuries earlier Solomon built a magnificent temple in the city that his father, David, had captured from the Jebusites. Jerusalem thereafter became the city where Jehovah caused his sacred name to reside. At the inauguration of the temple Jehovah’s glory had filled the house —manifested by a glowing cloud that forced the priests in attendance to temporarily vacate the premises.

However, Ezekiel envisioned something different. In accord with the established pattern, judgment begins with the house of God. The prophecy of Ezekiel does not deviate from the pattern. Thus, after the man with the secretary’s inkhorn finishes his marking work, the six destroyers are commanded:  “‘You should start from my sanctuary.’ So they started with the elders who were in front of the house. Then he said to them: ‘Defile the house and fill the courtyards with the slain. Go!’ So they went out and struck down people in the city.”

We should not lose sight of the fact that God declares the sanctuary as his and prior to its profanation God considered it to be a holy place. That is emphasized in the seventh chapter as well, where Jehovah states: “I will turn my face away from them, and they will profane my concealed place, and robbers will enter it and profane it.” —Ez 7:22

Of course, God did not literally dispatch six angels to administer punishment. In reality, Jerusalem was besieged by the Babylonian hordes and by means of the sword, famine and pestilence, God’s judgments were accomplished. (After devastating Jerusalem Nebuchadnezzar’s army conquered numerous other nations including Tyre, Egypt, Moab, Ammon and Edom. But the judgment started with Jerusalem.)

Ezekiel 7:15 states: “The sword is outside, and the pestilence and the famine are inside. Whoever is in the field will die by the sword, and famine and pestilence will consume those in the city.”

Numerous places in the books of Jeremiah and Ezekiel God’s judgments are said to be expressed by means of the sword, famine and pestilence. Jehovah’s Witnesses ought to recognize a pattern here. Jesus foretold that during the conclusion the desolation of Jerusalem will be preceded by nations and kingdoms warring against each other, food shortages and pestilence. In other words, the sword, famine and pestilence.

The Watchtower insists that the things Christ foretold were fulfilled some 100 years ago with the First World War (sword) and the Spanish Influenza (pestilence) and numerous famines during the 20th century. However, after a century of sword, famine and pestilence Christendom is as viable as ever.

Another glaring incongruity is apparent in the Watchtower’s interpretation. According to the pattern found throughout prophecy first comes the desolation, then comes the repurchase, restoration and finally, the blessing. The Watchtower has the order reversed, in that, the Society teaches that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been gathered out of Christendom –restored to true theocracy and showered with God’s unreserved blessing in fulfillment of prophecy before the desolation of antitypical Jerusalem (Christendom) has occurred.

For example, at Ezekiel 6:8-9 Jehovah states: “But I will leave a remnant, for some of you will escape the sword among the nations when you are scattered throughout the lands. And those who escape will remember me among the nations where they are taken captive. They will realize that I was brokenhearted over their unfaithful heart that turned away from me and at their eyes that are lusting after their disgusting idols.”

Ought we to suppose that Jehovah is heartbroken over the unfaithfulness of the multitude churchgoers, of whom Christ will say in that day: “I never knew you. Get away from me you workers of lawlessness”? And does this mean that a surviving remnant from various denominations of Christendom will ultimately become God’s people?

Just as the Jews refused to believe God would ever destroy Jerusalem, much less the holy temple, Jehovah’s Witnesses are similarly deluded. They imagine that the Watchtower will be preserved through the end and serve as an unwavering beacon for them. The stage is set for mass confusion when the time of the end begins in the near future.

“This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Look! A calamity, a unique calamity, is coming. An end is coming; the end will come; it will rouse itself  against you. Look! It is coming. Your turn has come, you who inhabit the land. The time is coming, the day is near. There is confusion and not joyful shouting on the mountains. Very soon I will pour out my rage on you, and I will fully unleash my anger against you, and I will judge you according to your ways and call you to account for all your detestable deeds.’”—Ez. 7:5-8

Among the “detestable deeds” to which God was referring was idolatry. While it is true that Christendom is steeped in idolatry, there are other more subtle forms.

For example, when Samuel rebuked wicked king Saul he said: “Does Jehovah take as much pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of Jehovah? Look! To obey is better than a sacrifice, and to pay attention than the fat of rams; for rebelliousness is the same as the sin of divination, and pushing ahead presumptuously the same as using magical power and idolatry.”

Samuel linked “pushing ahead presumptuously” with divination and idolatry. That is because Saul put his own ideas in place of God’s stated law. The Watchtower has acted similarly. It has presumptuously applied the restoration prophecies to itself and directed all of Jehovah’s denunciation to Christendom; thereby, conferring upon itself God’s holiness. Perhaps most presumptuously, it has declared that the Kingdom has come –that Christ is ruling the world, when such is not the case at all!

Cloaked in its  mantle of righteousness the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses has declared itself to be the embodiment of the Kingdom of God on earth. Its every utterance is regarded as coming from the mouth of Jehovah; all the while the Watchtower has amassed great wealth, even while persecuting sexually abused children and anyone else who dares to speak against it. That is why Jehovah goes on to say: “Look, the day! Look, it is coming! Your turn has come; the rod has blossomed and presumptuousness has sprouted. Violence has grown into a rod of wickedness. Neither they nor their wealth nor their crowds nor their prominence will survive. The time will come, the day will arrive. ”

2017-06-29T13:12:38+00:00 June 29th, 2017|Ezekiel|210 Comments
  • Song of Hannah

    While we might not see the outright idolatry of Christendom among JWs –

    “when Samuel rebuked wicked king Saul he said: “Does Jehovah take as much pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of Jehovah? Look! To obey is better than a sacrifice, and to pay attention than the fat of rams; for rebelliousness is the same as the sin of divination, and pushing ahead presumptuously the same as using magical power and idolatry.”

    Wow! That’s the connection I’ve been looking for!!! Thanks dear brother!

    • Burt Reynolds

      Yes! The yoke is easy and light! The watchtower is burdening the brothers with their idolatry and lies, when the entire word of Jehovah can be fulfilled by one act, one word. Love. It is not even that the witnesses have a fake love like the Happy-Clappers. They don’t seem to have love in any form. Kindness, in some cases, generosity on other cases, but I never experienced the love that endured all things. Maybe I’m just unendurable! It is a source of wonderment to me that I feel I could knock on any one of the doors of the brothers here, and be welcomed, whereas in all my years as a witness, I never once experienced that sense of the understanding of Jehovah’s word.

      • The Raven

        https://e-watchman.com/the-sacrifices-of-the-heartbroken/
        ” Those who were marked with the secretary’s inkhorn were those who were “sighing and groaning over all the detestable things being done in the city.”

      • Arvid Fløysand

        Come knock on my door anytime and i will be happy to share all sorts of gaffelbiter with you while we amagine and talk together about all the wonderful things that soon is reallity in the coming paradise …:-)

        • Burt Reynolds

          If you have Gafflebieter I’ll be on the next boat over. It is not available to buy in England. Would you have a recipe for making it by any chance. I’m sure it’s what Jehovah created Norway for.

          • Arvid Fløysand

            If you can get hand of some fresh herring,than you just make yourself some nice clean fillet and put them layer by layer in a bucket with fine salt between every layer..(.the purpose of the salt is not only for the taste,but to dry out the water from the herring and to preserve)
            Let the herring fillet get 8 hours in salt before you take them out and wash the salt off with clean cold water…and then the fillets has to dry up a little bit ,maybe on a paper towel (not newspaper…if so you will get the ink tattoed all over the herring fillet..maybe even bad news ;-)…)
            At this stage you got yourself the basic herring fillet that you can store for a very long time in the refregerator.
            Of those herring fillets you can make all sorts of gaffelbiter.
            But before you make a portion of gaffelbiter,you have to get rid of some of the salt that is still inside the fillet….so put those fillets that you are going to use in a bucket of water and let it stay for 2 hours.
            Than take the fillets out and let them dry a little bit again.
            Cut them in smaller pieces just how you prefer.

            If you would like to try the sherry-gaffelbiter…than it goes like this:

            4 fillets of herring
            1 tablespoon whole black pepper
            1/2 red onion
            2 dl sherry (ore as much as you need to cover the herring)

            Find a nice jar to put the gaffelbiter in.
            Layer by layer with black pepper (you may crush the pepper if you like)
            and thin slices of red onion between the herring pieces.
            Than you have to warm up the sherry(not boil)…and pour it over to cover all.
            Let the gaffelbiter rest in the refrigerator over night…
            Bon appetit my friend 🙂

            If you would prefer some other taste..just holler 🙂

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thanks Arvid, I shall start on that next weekend. If I cannot get herring is any other like mackerel OK to use? I can foresee that your recipe will get the most likes ever. Poor Robert. Works all the time to get the word out and we change his page into a cookery column! Sorrryyyy!

            • Arvid Fløysand

              “Again,the Kingdom of the heavens is like a dragnet let down into the sea and gathering fish of every kind.
              When it was full,they hauled it up onto the beach,and sitting down,they collected the fine ones,(herring,mackerel and salmon…wink wink 😉
              into containers,….”Matt.13:47-48

          • Richard Long

            According to many historians, the north of Europe was populated bu the decendants of Dan, fleeing Israel following one scourging or another, hence we have Danube, Denmark, Sweden, etc…

            • Burt Reynolds

              No Richard, though it’s a common mistake among American historians. It was the descendants of Burt, not Dan. Dan was his uncle. Burt fled Israel because he burnt the pharrasees bread and got scolded (verbally) not scourged. Burt went to Brussels….hence the name….it was his daughters, Nube, Denise and Sue-Ellen that were involved in the Danube, Denmark and Sweden respectively. Read more….Book of Burt. Travels. Ch1 v.24. See also bread recipes in the appendix.

      • Jamie Mac

        Burt, knock on mine too and I will show you how to place links in your comments 🙂

        We could discuss other wonderments as well related to the kingdom

        • Burt Reynolds

          ‘In the beginning was the link, and the link was with Jamie, but not with Burt. And Jehovah looked at the situation and said, ” let there be a dividing between computer whizz kids and the computer illiterate, for ne’er the twain will understand the others lingo, and let the Chip remain upon the shoulders of the Whizz Kidds so that it may serve as a sign of utter confusion for the Illiterates, so that they may stare in wonderment for all time at the link providers. And it came to be just so, a beginning and an end of the first Megabite and Jehovah was mightily pleased for he knew not how to post a link either.’ ( Book of Burt. Disc 1, Viruses 36).

          • Jamie Mac

            Very imaginative Burt. I am a whizz kid at 60 ( ha ha ). I do wish sometimes I was a kid again, ( don’t we all ). I did send you a comment about how to insert a link in your comment. I know you remember. You can do it Burt, I have faith in you 🙂

            • Joseph
            • muldoon55 .

              Loved that show

            • Joseph

              Definitely one of the best depictions of life in the suburbs of America in the late sixties early seventies! Though the eyes of a boy….

            • Richard Long

              Yeah, Niel Marlens and Carol Black had a great perspective and a gentle voice.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              “Truly i say to you,unless you turn around and become as young children,you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens”Matt.18:3

            • Joseph
          • muldoon55 .

            Lol

          • Meikiel D’Anthonii Kitchens

            Oh that’s great Bert, thank you for the imagination train….we needed that.Cathii and I do enjoy your comments, may Jehovah continue to bless and keep you???

            • Burt Reynolds

              Thank you for your kind words Meikiel. I’m just a little crazy!

            • Richard Long

              You’re only a little crazy…. and only around the edges where it doesn’t affect any vital function! lol

              STAY CRAZY !!

            • Burt Reynolds

              No problemo. I shall take your advice.

            • Richard Long

              AS IF you could avoid doing so …. lol

      • Thinking

        I have experienced such love amongst Jehovah’s witnesses…and I have experienced a understanding of Jehovah’s word amongst a number of them…and I have experienced a brutal lack of love and ignorance of any understanding of the very essence of Jehovah….I have experienced both sides of the coin..my brother you are allowing the weeds to drown you…it’s hard ..but doeable…you have been thrown a lifeline ….at some stage it really is up to us….as to how we use that life line …..

        • Burt Reynolds

          You’re probably right Thinking. I shall pop out and get myself some weed killer. I’m glad that you have evidenced a love between the brotherhood. It evaded me completely, but there must be righteous hearted people in the watchtower and I don’t for one minute think I was an easy person to get on with in the congregation anyway. I think I took a long time to grow up and by the time I did I was too old to do anything about it!

          • Thinking

            It’s okay Burt. Sometimes our scars are so very deep and our disappointment so painful it engulfs our soul. Often we need some one or the Holy Spirit to say. Hey look over there. See the wheat. Now you go and hang out with them. They are there Burt But scars need time to heal. And fortunately he allowed me my time. As he has yours. Personally I don’t think I’m an easy personality either. But I was guilty of stagnating. You are so worthy of being at any kh you choose. If that is your desire. Jehovah really did draw me back. But it was massively hard. Like carrying a torture stake actually. But now I see why. And I’m so glad I followed his prodding. Utterly relieved actually. You see I don’t trust any one any more. But the worst person I was trusting …was me….so I really had to eat humble pie and follow his prodding. In the long run. It has paid off. …. big hug bro. Xx

    • Huldah

      “To obey is better than a sacrifice.” Boy did this account sustain me for years while pioneering in congregations full of perfunctory ritualistic witnesses engaging in the idolatrous worship of self, ego, career, Mammon(riches), other humans, basically anything but true heart motivated obedience to God.

  • Nigel

    Dear Brother King, you know how much I respect you, the work you do on behalf of Christ and for those seeking the Truth – and I certainly do not wish to hinder your work in any way – but I feel obligated to comment…

    “Ought we to suppose that Jehovah is heartbroken over the unfaithfulness of the multitude [of] churchgoers, of whom Christ will say in that day: “I never knew you. Get away from me you workers of lawlessness”?”

    Perhaps not heartbroken, but He is certainly not happy about the fate that awaits them:

    “…I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked…” Ezekiel 33:11

    Ironically, whilst it seems that “the multitude [of unfaithful] churchgoers” will, indeed, be rejected by Christ, the same applies for the JWs; they are no different in any way, especially as a (the?) “man of lawlessness” (an antichrist) resides within the upper-echelons of the WTS heirarchy who is influencing many idolizers within the ranks of the JWs to be “workers of lawlessness” themselves. How could it be any other way if a/the MOL resides within the WTS?

    “And does this mean that a surviving remnant from various denominations of Christendom will ultimately become God’s people?”

    I know this rhetorical question comes loaded with sarcasm, but the answer to it is a resounding YES. YES, expect a remnant from other denominations to ultimately become God’s people – as well as a remnant of JWs, of course.

    The very idea that “only a JW could possibly be considered worthy for salvation” may be the very thing that keeps some JWs from entering the Kingdom:

    “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’” Matt 25:41-45

    You know what (some of) the identifying marks of one of Jesus’ true disciples are?

    Love for God and for others. Being led by the Spirit and bringing forth the fruitage of the Spirit. Putting to death the works of the flesh. Keeping oneself without spot from the world. Faith. Assisting those in need where/when we can. Obeying Jesus’ commands. Being a witness to Jesus & Jehovah. (Naturally, there are other things, but these are some of the “biggies”.)

    Much to the disbelief of many JWs & JW-apologists, these characteristics are not found exclusively within the congregations of JWs!! Being a disciple of Christ has nothing to do with the name of the Christian denomination one associates with and everything to do with disowning oneself, picking up one’s torture stake and continually following Christ til the end. (Matt 16:24, 24:13). In doing so, JWs are not unique.

    “By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:35

    “If, now, you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You must love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing quite well.” James 2:4

    “for if you live according to the flesh, you are sure to die; but if you put the practices of the body to death by the spirit, you will live. For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons.” Romans 8:13,14

    “On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.” Gal 5:22-24

    “The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.” James 1:27

    “Moreover, without faith it is impossible to please God well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.” Heb 11:6

    “Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.” Luke 9:35

    ““If you love me, you will observe my commandments.” John 14:15

    “And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing (or, testimony), and they did not love their souls even in the face of death.” Rev 12:11

    (Witnessing, as JWs often perform it, need not necessarily be “door-to-door” (tho’ that method has undoubtedly been very successful); compare 1 Peter 3:1,2, Matt 5:15,16, John 13:35, Eph 4:11.)

    “and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.” Acts 11:26

    No one should presume that there are none within the ranks of Christendom who are not wholesouled in their service to Jehovah, obeying Jesus to the best of their ability. (Compare 1 Cor 4:2-5,8). Sure, there may not be many, but it would be wrong to pronounce judgement on all who are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but not baptised into the ranks of JWs.

    “Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.” Romans 14:4

    “For the one who does not practice mercy will have his judgment without mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.” James 2:13

    ” “Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye.” Matt 7:1-5

  • The Raven

    Thanks, Robert. This gives me a lot more clarity on the secretary and the inkhorn and striking the elders. I’ve been looking at this a couple days now and this article came along just at the right time.

  • James

    We (JWs) are in serious trouble.

    • Simpletruth

      I know!

    • Jamie Mac

      Hi James, you won’t be if you are know more or less what is coming. I pray that you and others won’t be stumbled.

      • Burt Reynolds

        I stumbled up the garden step the other day. It makes one think how we are to cope with a figurative mountain of stumbling blocks.

    • Thinking

      Not if your a wheat my brother …only the weeds will be in trouble…but as his house…yeah we are going to cop it.!!,…but you are not naked James…we may be shaken a bit….but we should not be stumbled….so stay strong…!!!

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        You said Not if your a wheat my brother …only the weeds will be in trouble.That’s partly right. At present the weeds dominate.Example my own congregation adulterer becoming MS.

        But for Basavaraj NO because he is a degree holder and being faithful to his wife and answers what is not taught in the WTS magazine.

        • Thinking

          You are not in trouble with your God brother B….what is happening to you is training, refinement….you are becoming like the Gold of Ophir….and this time of the end is rather unique is it not…it’s a time for us to show him our loyalty..it hurts..and even at times humiliating ..but it won’t last forever…
          When we look back after A…perhaps we will truly understand what an outstanding time this was in showing him our loyalty…you will be used very much …in the near future Bro B….
          Anyway ..as an MS or an Elder..you will lose so much freedom and be muzzled…you are more use to him as you are now….

          1 Peter 4:12-19New International Version (NIV)

          Suffering for Being a Christian
          12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18

        • Burt Reynolds

          You should be pleased Basavaraj! Why would any of us be envious of other progress in the watchtower, the moreso when those being promoted are not worthy and those that judge them to be worthy are in themselves without insight into Jehovah’s ways? That your learning shames them and that they ignore you, is surely a sign that your influence on others is already being noticed in that it is truth! A position of authority in the congregation is not demonstrated by a titled position, but by righteousness and faith and thus you are already recognised as having those qualities. The sad fact is, that your elders do not want you for that reason. It’s an honour for you!

  • Joseph
    • Burt Reynolds

      Did anyone have any success figuring out how the wheels worked and how they went between them? It sounded a lot like my daughter was driving!

  • Huldah

    One commentator on Bible Hub made the insightful point that Ezekiel had to bore a hole in the wall to see what the elders were doing, essentially, it took real effort and insight to grasp the deceptively concealed apostasy of the man of lawlessness. Who, of course, was executed first by the men with smashing instruments? Why, the elders (the MOL) were. The first act of the judgement on the HOG is the revealing of the MOL. How it all lines up beautifully!

    I do have to acknowledge that I am happy the updated NWT replaces “older men” with “elders” in many places. The truth is much easier to see.
    Mom said ay meeting they referenced a WT that said the smashing started with the “elderly” men. Really distorts the truth.

    I like that Robert listed out the judgements succinctly.
    1 HOG
    2Tyre/Britain. Egypt/US
    3 Moab, Ammon Christendom and the rest of BTG

    And who carries it out?
    Babylon or the 8th king.

    How beautufully the bible lines up when you know the truth! Thanks Br. King! Jehovah is God of order.

    Side point….
    I like the reference to the “rod of presumptuousness” and “the rod has blossomed”. (Last par.) This has to be drawing a parallel to the time when Aaron’s office was questioned and his rod blossomed showing Jehovah’s choice. Since Jesus is High Priest in the “manner of Melchizedek”, it would appear that Jeh is drawing a parallel to this event and the humiliation of the MOL.
    Psalm 92:7
    7 When the wicked sprout like weeds*

    And all the wrongdoers flourish,

    It is that they may be annihilated forever.+”

    • Burt Reynolds

      Maybe that boring of a hole with great effort was a reference to how well the priests had built up their defense and hidden their works rather than the insight! Probably both as you point out. Good thought! I had always thought it was a vision but if he had to hire the hole, that must have been some work. It would have needed a tungsten carbide bit to go through that lot. I sometimes feel they had a whole lot more technology in those days than we credit them with. You are going to have to tell me what HOG is Huldah. I’m truely blind with anachronism. I know it’s obvious, but I just can’t see it! I have the same problem with mathematics….mathematical illiterate is what I am!

      • The Raven

        House of God.

      • Huldah

        House of God
        or Hairy Ogre’s Girlfriend, whichever you like best.
        ?

        • Burt Reynolds

          I knew it would be simple! I don’t know why I can’t see these anachronisms. I hope Jehovah doesn’t use them. I can just imagine it come the Tribulation. Sign on the wall with arrow…..AJSTWP. If you can work that out I’ll invite you to a BBBB.

  • Anderiega

    Thank you brother Robert for this logical commentary. I don’t really have much to add because you basically said it all already! I was hoping you’d share a commentary about Ezekiel since we’re doing Ezekiel at the midweek meeting. Next week is chapters 11-16 (I think!) Exciting times!!

    • Arvid Fløysand

      according to the midweek-plan…they will skip Ezekiel chapter 13….hmmmm…wonder why? 🙂

      • Daisy d

        Good one! There is nothing new under the sun!
        The counterparts today of the spiritual leaders in Ezekiel’s day wouldn’t want to draw attention to their own apostasy… v6: they have seen false visions and foretold a lie,
        those who are saying, ‘The word of Jehovah is’, when Jehovah himself has not sent them, and they have waited for their word to come true. Is it not a false vision that you have seen and a lie that you have foretold, when you say, ‘the word of Jehovah is’, when I have not said anything.
        Powerfully the whole 13th chapter pops out at you, once you know the meaning with understanding and discernment… So glad!
        Mmmmh… gaffelbiter with sherry sauce please Arvid! Love herring! Love from Daisy too…

        • Burt Reynolds

          Absolutely! They don’t want to reveal themselves and are scared of doing so. Why would they otherwise seek to hide the word of Jehovah! How can they dare to assume to cut out a whole chapter of the bible and deny learning from the sheep? It’s an utter pomposity. They actually assume to dictate what the sheep will read and hear of Jehovah’s word? It gives presumptuousness a whole new meaning.

  • Simpletruth

    Awesome article!

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    As I already posted in the previous comments for the article The 1914 Kingdom-came fantasy lives on, for
    now that My own brother-in-law did not give me a chance in the Thursday meeting on 22/06/2017 to comment on Ez: 1st chapter. I also replied for the comments to Cathii D’Anthonii that this Thursday (i.e: 29/05/2017) again I am going to try but I know I will not get. But I will keep on persisting.

    My own brother-in-law went on the stage and took the highlights after that he said what other spiritual gems you dug and brought on this week’s highlights? Immediately I raised my hand somehow he gave me the chance. I pointed out exactly what Robert has pointed out.

    I MADE THE COMMENTS IN MY LANGUAGE THAT IS KANNADA (North Karnataka style)

    I said that first of all the Watchtower has changed its present teachings recognizing the man with the secretary’s inkhorn with Jesus and the destroyers are the angles.

    Then I continued to say: I like to comment on Jesus marking those who are sighing. Sighing where? Since we are JWs and since we are not going to Churches of Christendom hence we cannot see what is happening in the Churches of Christendom so we cannot sigh on the things what’s happening in the Churches and who bothers what’s happening in the churches? And it was happening since the days of Roman Emperor Constantine.

    So I understand that the man with the secretary’s inkhorn that is Jesus is going to mark on the people those who are sighing on the things that is happening within the Christian congregation who worship Jehovah. I specifically say this because just see the verse 6 of 9th chapter Eze it says: “‘You should start from my sanctuary”. So to which one Jehovah will address as his own sanctuary? It should be his own congregation because the Christendom churches do not worship Jehovah they worship idols and trinity just as Hindus hence it cannot be his sanctuary. This is what I dug and brought the spiritual gems for this week’s highlights.

    To my surprise my brother-in-law said good brother thanks for that.

    After completing the meetings about 5 brothers came and wished me saying your answer was nice. One of them said now a days this brother gives the answers that is quite different but interesting. Brother how did you do that? I said nothing may be Jehovah is revealing the things. I also invited a couple of them to have an interaction with me if they are really interested to know the things what I have newly learned from the Bible.

    Already knowing that I am a teetotaler (otherwise I could not married to an elder’s beautiful daughter as many of the North Karnataka people are habitual alcoholics even among JWs) one brother deliberately joked at me saying: Brother if you give me vodka I will come to your house.

    To this I said dear brother you have something better kick than vodka in Ezekiel if you taste it you will indeed become free from your Rutherford’s syndrome.

    He asked: Rutherford’s syndrome?

    He did not understood what it means to be Rutherford’s syndrome (= JW alcoholic).

    That night we all went back happily to home ending up in Rutherford’s syndrome others not knowing what it really means to be Rutherford’s syndrome.
    LOL

    • Arvid Fløysand

      This is interesting because i had a similar experience on the same meeting 🙂
      I am not allowed to comment on the meetings but my brother by flesh who is an elder went on stage and took the highlights.He explained that the words in Ezekiel is adressed to Jehovahs people..to the congregations ..
      For me it looks like somone is starting to wake up 🙂

      • Thinking

        Hey Avrid..that happened over here to..a brother ..a visiting speaker directly said to the cong…that Isiaha was to us ..not Christendom…when he talked about wicked people ( Isiaha ) he was talking about US…His own people….

        Jehovah at times lets the wheat talk….really loud to at times…yaaah!!!

        • Arvid Fløysand

          This is very interesting…it reminds me of the account of Bileam and how Jehovah made him say the opposite of what the moabite king told him to say…blessings for Jehovahs people came out of his mouth 3 times…i have to say that i am very exited about the summer convention…just imaging if Jehovah make a composit “Bileam” step foreward in every assembly hall worldwide to say the opposite of what the programe from HQ is telling them to speak about…:-)

          • Burt Reynolds

            I would be happy to do that. Get me on the stage and I’ll deliver both barrels.

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          That.’s great to know!!!

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Sorry for the delay. I am now in Coimbatore which is 800KMs away from my native. I am commenting from Coimbatore. Yours comment is interesting to know that someone is starting to wake up that is an elder. Do you mean he secretly sees e-watchman’s site?

        • Arvid Fløysand

          Hello brother Basavaraj..
          The only thing i know for sure is that he explained that Ezekiel chap.8 is about and directed to Jehovahs own people in our time…
          If Jehovah decide to open the “eyes” of every single person in the whole world,He can very easy do so worldwide in just one second .

          Internet (www) is a poweful tool but it is nothing compared with Jehovahs ways of connecting to our brain…he made it…

          2 King.6:17 “Then Elisha began to pray and say “O Jehovah,open his eyes,please,that he may see”.Immediately Jehovah opened the attendant`s eyes and he saw,and look! the mountainous region was full of horses and war chariots of fire all around Elisha “.

          So dear brother Basavaraj, lets continue to tell every one the wonderful pure truth and make them aware of this site…and most important of all continue to pray like Elisha did,that Jehovah must please open their “eyes”,so they can see what we see.
          May the spiritual temple be finished just in right time and may the great crowd be really really great like the biggest army ever walked this earth 🙂

    • J.M.J.

      It was the apostle Paul who said that he was many things to many people .By this he was able to speak to a wider audience .You are doing the same .

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks for your reply. I speak to a wider audience because they know that I know all their secrete and there is a person in my congregation who committed adultery(Dis fellow-shipped and reinstated) is going to become an MS, so they are allowing me to speak because they are afraid that if they tell anything at this point to me my own younger brother in law will complaint to the visiting CO. My brother in law is little bit angry with visiting CO because in the last visit the CO refused to make me as I am a degree holder.

        There is also one more thing it seems my brother in law told other elders to let me speak what I like as it is scripturally correct. He even asked other elders what is wrong with my brother in law? When you can make an adulterer an MS where as my brother in law is a teetotaller and advanced in scriptures better than a CO?

        To that they said may be Jehovah’s spirit is on him. So my brother-in-law said them then why don’t we make him? They said ask CO our hands are tied. We have no reason to push your brother in law as we know from his mature answers. I know mature answers because of this website and the credit goes to Robert King.

    • Burt Reynolds

      That is a lovely story to read. You make great efforts to do what is right. I am sure you will have success.

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Thanks for your reply I am in Coimbatore which is 800 KM from my place.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    I always used to think since JWs are not doing outright idolatry like Christendom and Hindus how a physical idolatry can be applied to JW? Well boy now I got the real stuff from this article Robert has linked
    the WTS declaration of Kingdom has come in 1914 to 1st Samuel: 15:22- 23 To obey is ……….. for rebelliousness is the same as the sin of divination, and pushing ahead presumptuously the same as ………. idolatry.” What a fitting sentence of Bible to WTS. Even the Christendom did not acted presumptuously saying Jesus has already come.

    This is a great job Keep it up Brother Robert!!!

    Also Robert that has linked the Watchtower’s leadership on Jehovah’s Witnesses, Its every utterance is regarded as if from Jehovah’s mouth; its amassed great wealth, persecuting sexually abused children and anyone else who dares to speak against the WTS with that of Ezekiel: 7:10-12 the rod has blossomed and presumptuousness has sprouted. Violence has grown into a rod of wickedness. Neither they nor their
    wealth nor their crowds nor their prominence will survive.

    This is a great work Robert. YES I BELIEVE THAT ROBERT KING IS TRULY ANOINTED. What else proof is required?

    Great nice points to speak with a JW thanks a lot.

  • Old lady brady

    Rutherford said “Every religious organisation that has existed beginning with Nimrod, Satan has over reached and used for his purpose.”. “Jehovah God has not commissioned any company or people on the earth to try to save men”. Quotes from riches..
    So why do JW’s say they are God’s people when that title will clearly be given to the ones that come out of the tribulation… The Great Crowd. Until then all so called Christian organised religions are trying to do the will of God and they are all getting it mostly wrong and some right, hence the rhetorical question of Jesus – Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?.
    Acts 4:12
    John 14:6 – Jesus is THE way.

    • e.v.g

      Jehovah has their own chosen people, he can not take people from all religions. “He is a God of order”

      • Old lady brady

        Hasn’t a lot of JW’s came out of a lot of other religions?. Jehovah God will be a god of order if there is only one group to choose from but the great crowd will be coming out of all nations and peoples. So hence they will be called God’s People. Is that too complicated to undrstand? And isn’t gods word very simple. Everybody wants to be the special one!!.

        • e.v.g

          God’s people is in reference to the anointed, they were anointed before the great tribulation.

          • Old lady brady

            God hasn’t got a people yet, but he has a temple made up of anointed ones with Jesus being the cornerstone of that spiritual temple. At the moment the ‘anointed’ are only called or invited and no one knows who really is truly anointed until Jesus comes back and comes alongside each and every one of them as Robert King has pointed out. JW’S need to get over themselves just like the Jews need to aswell, thinking they are God’s people when they are clearly not because they teach lies and truth just like all organised Christian religions. Most Christian religions think they are God’s people, they all want that title. JW’s preach that christ came back in 1914, the millerites preach that in the 1800s and the adventis preach that too. Nelson H Barbor taught that christ came back three times in the 1800s before he teamed up with Charles Taze Russel. So JW’S can’t claim 1914 as being a defining mark of God’s people and the catholics are the number 1 for preaching, so are the christadelphins and Mormons and the adventis. They are some of the biggest preachers of the Bible. But god will have a people when this system finishes.

            • e.v.g

              The revelation of the sons of God will be an extraordinary event, ironically some of jw’s will not believe the matter. It is a faith issue that all jw’s and people of the nations will have to face in the future.

            • The Raven

              At the very least JW have the basics correct. The rest are far from it. Doesn’t matter if they are number one or twenty in preaching. Here’s what Robert has to say about it.

              https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-people-name/
              Excerpt:
              Are Jehovah’s Witnesses fulfilling the prophecy of Amos today by serving as a people for Gods name? The answer is no—at least not yet. According to Amos, the people who are called by God’s name are those who become such after the ‘jiggling’ takes place. The jiggling is when Jehovah rocks all the nations during the oncoming tribulation.
              Let the reader please take note of the fact that the prophecy indicates that those who fear the name of Jehovah and who are “thinking upon his name” become the “special property” of Jehovah at that time. Again, when does that occur? The very next verse in Malachi indicates that Jehovah produces a special property composed of those who fear his name during the tribulation.

              So, while the religion known as Jehovah’s Witnesses is not fulfilling the prophecies by being “a people for his name” at this particular time, undoubtedly the core of Jehovah’s Witnesses are in line to become the people for his name in the very near future. Jehovah’s Witnesses have, though, unquestionably served a vital function by laying the groundwork for the judgments soon to follow.”

            • Daisy

              Robert also covers this subject of
              God’s “people” i n his essay ; ‘Jehovah’s witnesses in the Divine Purpose’ – fascinating…to be read if not done so already!

            • The Raven

              That’s also a good one to go with the article I posted. Thank you, Daisy.

            • Max

              How are you doing Daisy?

            • Daisy d

              I’m doing really really well thank you Max. Latest biopsy shows everything inside is “pristine”.
              Must be due to all your prayers and the ‘hands on’ from Thinking – I’d never heard of many healing aids she constantly introduced me to… Joe Dman (where are you Joe) – still taking the cbd oil joe, thanks… Burt, he gave me his address as he’s just an hour’s drive away… GOTTA MEET UP ONE DAY BURT (such a comfort to know he’s so close). JS – he kept upbuilding me – still does! Cosmo Joe ( spoke to him yesterday…love him)…and dear DA who sent useful information now n then. Not forgetting Robert! Hope I’ve not forgotten who else I leaned on throughout my test.
              I’m almost back to my old self…emphasis on the ‘old’ lol. So all’s good.
              PS…I’m using my new phone which wouldn’t accept the Daisy name so I added the d…I’m still using the old phone coz parts of it work…glad to clear that up lol
              Edit: I did forget I leaned on God. Big time, and wouldn’t have known how to if I hadn’t found here as here has saved me spiritually and physically. No doubts.

            • Joseph
            • The Raven

              Well, I thought this was two different Daisies. lol. So sorry to know about your battle with cancer. I am very happy to see that you are doing well. You have a lot of spirit, lady! You also have my prayers, Daisy.

            • Max

              ? I’m so glad you are doing better. Have you heard about cottage cheese and flaxseed oil for cancer treatment? The formula is able to elevate the O2 consumption at a cellular level and cancer cannot survive in the presence of oxygen. A chemical reaction takes place when the sulphydryl groups in quark or cottage cheese bind with the unsaturated fatty acids in flaxseed oil. This reaction allows the flaxseed to become water soluble and enter into a cell to supply energy in the form of 02
              Imagine the cells in your body are the same as the battery in a car. Our cells also require electrical energy in order to run and energize all of our life-giving biological functions. In order for a dead car battery to be recharged, it requires jumper cables to supply an electrical current from a good battery. The combination of quark or cottage cheese and flaxseed oil work together and function like jumper cables. Look it up in the internet it’s very easy to prepare and taste good too. May Jehovah bless you Daisy!

            • Daisy

              Found you! After a long search and then noticed you’d come on my new phone under the disqus comments.
              Actually, you made me giggle as when reading the above, I was eating said mixture with my lunch, like i do three times a day, every day. Its an acquired taste still after all these months but i persevere as small dog loves one teaspoon a day!
              If you haven’t already looked into Michael Behe’s work, I’m sure it’ll interest you as he’s a biochemist and Intelligent Design advocate. He’s on YouTube and written many books after spending years studying the DNA structure.
              If I wasn’t a beast of burden who can only snatch moments here and studying I would watch and read his life work religiously! Oh! To live forever…
              Thanks for that Max and much love to you from Daisy 2phones…
              Ps hubby just shouted out that Be he’s been discredited.! He would be, wouldn’t he as he’s a God believing scientist… Catholic I think…so much for Mary M o G!

            • Max

              The JW have been and still are Jehovah’s people. The organization is not up to code regarding prophecy, but doctrine is a totally different thing, we still hold the truth in that area. Through the organization we have acquired a lot of knowledge. Knowledge that has given us the tools to build our faith. We have a basic knowledge of our Heavenly Father… we know how He feels in certain circumstances regarding His people… we know how He might react… we know the basic of what He likes… what He loves and what He hates. We know how to soften His heart when we have sinned because we know that He cares deeply for us. We know that no matter what could ever happen to us during the great tribulation we will never be entirely forgotten and that even if we loose or life holding our integrity Jehovah will never forget us and we will live again. We know how to put on the spiritual armor and how to use it. We have been trained to hold the light of the truth in time of deep darkness ” undoubtedly the core of JW are in line to become the people for His name in the very near future”

            • The Raven

              Thank you Max. Very well thought out.
              In spite of the error which the devil has wrought among them the truth and His name has still been proclaimed to the world. No others have done this. The Catholics with their eternal hellfire and trinity, The mormons with their , well, magic underwear and I’m not going there either, lol! all of them have been way off the mark. Are other Christians teaching truth? No they are not. Are all faiths corrupt? Yes they are. But one has kept its bones throughout while the others were devoured completely by falsehoods. Not just prophetic, but basic doctrine as well, I agree, Max.
              I also agree they are the people from among which will be His people for His name.
              Another good indicator they are His people is judgement begins with them, His house first.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I have heard about the Mormons magic underwear too. Apparently the Mormons have shops to cater for such specifics. I’m not sure that they come ‘pre-magicked-ready-to-save’ or if that is triggered on attendance at the first meeting after purchase. I’m not sure what happens if one is allergic to the material from which they are made; whether they will be disfellowshipped, and ceremoniously stripped of their underwear or doomed or what-not, or even if they are equally effective if bought in a sale. Doubtless one thing to count on is that they would be self cleaning. Regardless of the holy benefits of such, I think the Mormons have made a rod for their own back with their God, as the opportunities for insult in such a garment are endless. Best to stick with tie and cuff links. Innovation to one-upmanship through underwear is fraught with danger as any sumo wrestler will tell you.

            • The Raven

              Very clever, Burt! Yep! I can’t get past first base with any religion that relies on vestments, props, statues and very strange interpretations of the obvious. I’ve studied with many and well, I’m here.

            • The Raven

              And here’s some more on the subject:

              https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-man-of-lawlessness/
              Excerpt:
              “If you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses you been given a great gift. Because of your having acquired an accurate knowledge of the precious truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures and a meaningful Christian ministry, you are in a position to be blessed by God, such as no people have ever been blessed before.
              By means of the world-wide work sponsored by the Watchtower Society over the past 130-years, Jehovah God has prepared a people for survival through the coming global holocaust with the prospect of your being part of the nucleus of a righteous new world. The unspeakably wonderful privilege set before you is not merely being part of the first generation of humans who will never die, but rather, because of your already knowing and participating in the resolution of the great universal issues regarding Jehovah’s sovereignty and the integrity of all intelligent creation being called into question by Satan, you are in an advantaged position to take a stand on the world’s stage as a resolute advocate of the kingdom of Christ during the critical time of the end.”

            • The Raven

              https://e-watchman.com/why-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe/
              Excerpts:
              “According to Jesus Christ most people are on the broad road that leads to destruction and only a comparative few are on the narrow path that leads to life.

              And Christ also indicated that even most people who consider themselves to be Christians are not really Christians at all. Jesus stated: “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”

              Is it not obvious that Jesus had in mind the masses of churchgoers today who confess belief in the deity of Jesus? In stating that he never knew them Jesus is indicating that he does not recognize them as his followers – regardless of their confession. Really, how could any common churchgoer ever be recognized by Jesus, when the truth is, the great religious systems of Christendom embrace virtually every lie the Devil has ever fabricated?”

            • The Raven

              Isaiah 13: 11-13

              11 I will call the inhabited earth to account for its badness,+
              And the wicked for their error.
              I will put an end to the pride of the presumptuous,
              And I will humble the haughtiness of tyrants.+
              12 I will make mortal man scarcer than refined gold,+
              And humans scarcer than the gold of Oʹphir.+
              13 That is why I will make the heavens tremble,
              And the earth will be shaken out of its place+
              At the fury of Jehovah of armies in the day of his burning anger.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Roberts tweet on the gulf states ganging up on Qatar at the behest of the west is interesting. There seems to be an overal plan of destabilisation of which this is the latest part. Qatar is only half the size of Wales, ( look you, boyo). Their military might gathering on its borders is rather akin to me moving my spade and fork up to my neighbours garden fence, threatening a first strike in digging up his potato patch after he made an unprovoked attack on my garage door by sending his dog over to pee on it. When Jehovah said that man was not fit to govern himself, he had a point.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Great tweet on homosexuality from Robert. It is so rare to hear someone talk clearly about biblical morality and be unafraid to speak truth on the matter. England is sinking (sunk) into the culture of gay ‘pride’ parades and anything and everything being acceptable. There is even a television show here ( I was going to put TV show but then realised that’s ambiguous!) where people chose naked partners of either sex for a date! I don’t think even America has sunk that low yet. It seems as though the whole world has let go of decency and cleanliness and we are already living in a global City of Sodom. Every decent standard is eroded in the name of equality ( and also denied in the case of the watchtower abuse scandal) so that the perverse is normalised and the questioner silenced. That such is the case is evidenced by the fact that if there were to be a Heterosexual ‘pride’ parade here, it would be viewed as discriminatory against gays in this country. That truely is something to think on!

    • Daisy

      Its the father-of-the-lie-anti-christ culture dear boy.
      I heard from someone that children are encouraged to sing pop songs…the words of which are unsavoury and sexual, including anti-parents…not knowing how immoral the message presented is conveying…this, from a shocked unbeliever , but picking up on how debased our society has become and not liking it.
      A nice opening for me to talk ‘bible message’ I’m hoping.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Sounds like a plan Daisy! My mother was decieved into marrying a gay…..back in the days when gay meant to ‘be happy and carefree’. He was a journalist at the Times newspaper. ( I understand that GAY simply stands for Good As You). In those days marriage was often a cover for homosexuality as you know, and my poor mother was an 18 year old innocent, brought up by strict Methodists, a blood and thunder preacher in church every Sunday and religious disciplinarian of a haggard witch of a school teacher who stalked the corridors of education with a cane. To be fair to my mother, I would not have blamed her for marrying Satan to get away from that lot, but she really had no idea that such problems existed for some. She ran away back home after her ‘education’ and met my father later. Father was divorced from a Swede ( the native, not the vegetable) and thus was shunned by his family for such and worse, for marrying a divorcee. ( I think they were Presbyterian. Perhaps JWs got the shunning idea from them?) Thus I never got to meet his mother. Needless to say, neither mother or I ever read the Times.

  • The Terrible Truth

    In 1995 congress passed a law that was supposed to make the embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Since 1995 every sitting president has signed a waiver every 6 months to postpone the move due to the possibility of conflict between Muslim nations and Israel. Donald Trump, on has campaign trail, vehemently expressed his intention to make this move as one of his campaign promises. If the US moves the embassy it will signify a highly symbolic move for Israel as confirmation of the city of Jerusalem being the capitol of Israel. Muslims will have a problem with this because they believe it is their holy city so war will break out, a “Holy war” if you will, between Nations like Iraq/Iran and the US and Israel. Eventually more and more Nations will get involved. These events will signify something deeper that you can find in your bible.

    Present day USA is The beast to come forward in revelations 13 and if it moves into Jerusalem via the embassy, this will be the disgusting thing causing desolation just as the Romans encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE and ended in 70 CE. The first fulfillment is critical because I believe it will happen just as it did back then. If you notice Daniel 12:11 speaks of the disgusting thing being in place for 1290 days. This period of time matches up exactly how the first disgusting thing, the Roman army, encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE to 70 CE and made her desolate. The same will happen in our time per Luke 21:20 (Cross reference matthew 24:15). The great tribulation will last 1290 days.

    But what about the 1335 days as spoken of at Daniel 12:12? It states happy are those that make it to the 1335 days and when you cross reference Matthew 24:46 it states, Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! This scripture is giving an example of Christ’ SECOND RETURN. At the end of the 1335 days Christ will return and this will mark the start of Armageddon. But what about the 45 day period between the 1290 days and the 1335 days? Matthew 24:22 gives us the answer, “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” This 45 day period will be the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and will give the ones following Christ the opportunity to flee. Once we arrive at the end of the 45 day period it will mark the 1335th day and this is when Armageddon will commence!

    Worldly Christians WANT the US to move the embassy because they think the Jews of today are Gods people but Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 state they are a synagogue of Satan. This is how worldly Christians will be mislead. Worldly Christians also believe it will make bible prophecy come true in that Jerusalem will be the eternal city of God but it’s actually the opposite. Trump has the option to move the US embassy to Jerusalem every 6 months as the last 3 presidents could have since 1995 atrs I stated earlier. The next time Trump has this option will be on December 1, 2017. According to rabbinic sources, in the time when Jesus was on earth three trumpet blasts at about the ninth hour, or three o’clock, on Friday afternoon announced the Sabbath day’s approach. Now I believe what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 were highly blatant prophecies being told (such as wars would break out) and cunningly subtle prophecies(Such as Matt. 24:20) and we read, “Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day;”. I believe this to be a subtle warning Jesus was giving us. The day Donald Trump can move the embassy is on Friday the First of December. This is the Sabbath Day in Wintertime!

    So to reiterate what I am saying, Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:22 is the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and leading into Armageddon.

    15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+ 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be GREAT TRIBULATION+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.+ 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.+

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Make sure of all things;+ hold fast to what is fine.

    • The Terrible Truth

      This 45 day period will also be when the wars have ceased (WWIII?). This period is when they will say “Peace and Security!” and then all calamity will befall them at the mark of the 1335th day, or Armageddon

  • The Terrible Truth

    why didnt you approve my comment Robert? I was looking forward to your feedback as well as the others on this site…

  • The Terrible Truth

    In 1995 congress passed a law that was supposed to make the embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Since 1995 every sitting president has signed a waiver every 6 months to postpone the move due to the possibility of conflict between Muslim nations and Israel. Donald Trump, on has campaign trail, vehemently expressed his intention to make this move as one of his campaign promises. If the US moves the embassy it will signify a highly symbolic move for Israel as confirmation of the city of Jerusalem being the capitol of Israel. Muslims will have a problem with this because they believe it is their holy city so war will break out, a “Holy war” if you will, between Nations like Iraq/Iran and the US and Israel. Eventually more and more Nations will get involved. These events will signify something deeper that you can find in your bible.

    Present day USA is The beast to come forward in revelations 13 and if it moves into Jerusalem via the embassy, this will be the disgusting thing causing desolation just as the Romans encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE and ended in 70 CE. The first fulfillment is critical because I believe it will happen just as it did back then. If you notice Daniel 12:11 speaks of the disgusting thing being in place for 1290 days. This period of time matches up exactly how the first disgusting thing, the Roman army, encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE to 70 CE and made her desolate. The same will happen in our time per Luke 21:20 (Cross reference matthew 24:15). The great tribulation will last 1290 days.

    But what about the 1335 days as spoken of at Daniel 12:12? It states happy are those that make it to the 1335 days and when you cross reference Matthew 24:46 it states, Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! This scripture is giving an example of Christ’ SECOND RETURN. At the end of the 1335 days Christ will return and this will mark the start of Armageddon. But what about the 45 day period between the 1290 days and the 1335 days? Matthew 24:22 gives us the answer, “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” This 45 day period will be the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and will give the ones following Christ the opportunity to flee. Once we arrive at the end of the 45 day period it will mark the 1335th day and this is when Armageddon will commence!

    Worldly Christians WANT the US to move the embassy because they think the Jews of today are Gods people but Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 state they are a synagogue of Satan. This is how worldly Christians will be mislead. Worldly Christians also believe it will make bible prophecy come true in that Jerusalem will be the eternal city of God but it’s actually the opposite. Trump has the option to move the US embassy to Jerusalem every 6 months as the last 3 presidents could have since 1995 atrs I stated earlier. The next time Trump has this option will be on December 1, 2017. According to rabbinic sources, in the time when Jesus was on earth three trumpet blasts at about the ninth hour, or three o’clock, on Friday afternoon announced the Sabbath day’s approach. Now I believe what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 were highly blatant prophecies being told (such as wars would break out) and cunningly subtle prophecies(Such as Matt. 24:20) and we read, “Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day;”. I believe this to be a subtle warning Jesus was giving us. The day Donald Trump can move the embassy is on Friday the First of December. This is the Sabbath Day in Wintertime!

    So to reiterate what I am saying, Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:22 is the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and leading into Armageddon.

    15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+ 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be GREAT TRIBULATION+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.+ 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.+

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Make sure of all things;+ hold fast to what is fine.

    • The Raven

      https://e-watchman.com/great-tribulation-holy-place/
      “The 8th chapter of Daniel also connects the holy place, the sanctuary and the constant feature with the “Prince of the army,” who is Christ. So, the “putting in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation”is in reference to the sanctuary of Jehovah, of which Christ is both the cornerstone and High priest. Given the similar content and wording of the prophecies of Daniel it should be evident to the discerning reader that the holy place that is destined to come to desolation and be trampled underfoot by the nations for an appointed time is the earthly domain of the holy ones – Christ’s true congregation. It most certainly is not Christendom or Babylon the Great.”

      https://e-watchman.com/no-one-knows-day-hour/
      “Jesus said in full: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father. Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is.”

      • The Terrible Truth

        Luke 21:20 When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.

        Mattew 24:15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader use discernment 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

        The disgusting thing will be when encamped armies surround Jerusalem. Physical Jerusalem.
        Just as it happened in 66 CE when the Roman Army encircled Physical Jerusalem also known as The Great Revolt. It was just another war to mankind but held a deeper meaning spiritually. Likewise, when this happens in our time it will look like war but itll have a deeper meaning spiritually and can very well lead to WWIII. The disgusting thing precedes the GT which in turn precedes Armageddon which is when the “Prince of the army”, who is Christ, will show Himself.

        • The Raven

          You are mistaken to look for fulfillment in actual physical Jerusalem. Did you read what I posted from Robert’s work? Jerusalem has NO value or even any consideration at all in the end times. It is Jehovah’s spirit led organization which does specifically His anointed ones.

          https://e-watchman.com/great-tribulation-holy-place/
          “Jehovah’s invitation to “put ourselves on judgment together”is simply another way of describing judgment day. Since Jehovah puts himself on judgment with his servant organization, the judgments contained in the 43rd chapter of Isaiah must parallel the judgment of God’s household of slaves at the coming of Christ. That means that the holy place that is destined to be violated by the disgusting thing is actually the holy place of God and not something that merely claims to be holy”

          • The Terrible Truth

            You misunderstand what I write. I know Jerusalem holds no value or consideration especially with Jehovah. However, THE NATIONS believe it holds value and for this reason a war will break out. Israel is considered a settlement at this point but with the moving of the US Embassy to Jerusalem it will signify TO THE NATIONS that Jerusalem is the “eternal city of God” and reunifies Israel and it will be a sovereign nation in the eyes of THE NATIONS, not Jehovah. True Christians will understand that this is not so. Muslims will also have a problem with this because they believe Jerusalem to be their “Holy City”. This will cause a war and armies will eventually encircled Jerusalem and it will create WWIII.

            • The Raven

              The way you present this gives the appearance that you believe it to be so. Israel is nothing more than an outpost the British and the Rothschilds created. The US/UK back them only because they are part and parcel of the whole program to destabilize the middle east and flood the west with refuges, wrecking their identities and economies.

              The arguments and skirmishes that constantly erupt among the arabs and the Jews are minor compared to the blowout about to come about between the big three. Zionist WISH it would be that Israel is the epicenter of WWIII. I do not see Russia going to war over anything Israel does. Armies encircling Israel? Ever heard of the Samson Option? That won’t happen because the arab states don’t want their nations turned into a glass parking lot.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I understand where you are coming from and this is a common belief. Just look out for December 1 2017 which will be the disgusting thing causing desolation. Then, 30 days later, or around dec 31st to New Years, you’ll hear of something major. Save my account so you can tell me you told me so! Thank you for your insight.

            • The Raven

              You do know that no one knows when this is going to blow, don’t you? Even the demons and TPTB have no idea. It doesn’t matter what kind of machinations people come up with to try to “force” prophecy, it will backfire badly. This will catch everyone by surprise. Including those who make these sorts of predictions. Yes. We will see…

            • The Terrible Truth

              Of course I know nobody knows “not the angels in heaven nor the Son but only the Father.” That’s not to say we shouldn’t stay awake, see the signs, and pay attention as the bible also tells us. Whether you agree or not is none of my concern. Again, I thank you for your insight. Yah Bless!

            • The Raven

              You agree no one knows the hour but still make a prediction?
              Heh. You asked for feedback and now it’s none of your concern?
              Hahaha!

            • The Terrible Truth

              Well seeing as how you come off as a condescending Raven, I graciously thank you for your insight and continue on with my day. Yah Bless!

            • The Raven

              How am I condescending? Because I stated scriptural facts about no one knowing the hour?

            • The Terrible Truth

              Nobody knows the HOUR my good friend. That’s not to say we cannot come to a conclusion as to the time frame or around that day. Yah Bless

            • The Raven

              That is a prediction. You gave a date for this and now you want to nit pick over the exact hour? Really?

            • The Terrible Truth

              I haven’t claimed the date of armaggedon. I chose a date for the beginning of the Great Tribulation which the bible never says only Jehovah knows that day. He knows the day of Armageddon. Comprehend what it is you read please. Really?

            • The Raven

              There you said it. YOU CHOSE A DATE. WOW!

            • The Terrible Truth

              LOL! I get it, you don’t agree. Now carry on with your day! WOW! lol

            • The Raven

              You’re right, I don’t agree with anyone who chooses dates on prophecy and then claims I don’t understand. Dec, 1- , winter time etc. Even a date for the beginning of the great tribulation is beyond what scripture states.

            • The Terrible Truth

              Please point me to where it states in biblical scripture that a date for the beginning of the great tribulation cannot be predicted or looked out for? Thank you.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Is this Francis?? We have had this discussion before regarding time and date fixing. Being on the watch and throwing personal unscriptural predictions are not one in the same. Signs Francis, those that Jesus spoke to, to stay awake, no one knows the day or the hour accept Jehovah and possibly Jesus, were not even positive of that. Read Revelation 22:18,19. De. 4:2. WARNING clearly let no one in any way add to or take away what is written. You have returned only to confuse and give opinions and you never state “this is just my opinion only”. Robert has created a site for all to take in knowledge, always up for discussion but based on what the scriptures state!! You seem to be hell bent on dates, rather than day to day remaining watchful, that is being prepared everyday for the things that will take place. Faith is the key to preparedness not guessing games!

            • The Raven

              I was certain it was him when the insults began. He could care less what anyone here really thinks. His main target, IMO is Robert. He seems determined to undermine any effort to teach truth and steal anyone away who would fall into his trap of divination. And it is divination from rabbinic mysticism, kabbala and other demon inspired sources.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Raven, I’m not sure it was Francis, it just didn’t flow the way Francis used to write. He certainly didn’t use the phrase Yah Bless as far as I can recall. It wouldn’t surprise it this character was as acquaintance of Francis.

              Anyway , he’s gone and no more silly babbling until someone else turns up.

            • The Raven

              Hi Jaime, how are you?
              I wouldn’t put it past anyone to tweek their language to hide their identity. Other descriptive phrases and his dismissive manner gave me the impression it was. I’m not the only one who thought it could be. Apparently they saw what I did. But, it doesn’t matter since this person showed just how nasty he could be. I’m fairly new here but I don’t think Robert puts up with that sort of nonsense.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Raven, maybe you and others are right. I think you will find Robert is very tolerant and has a thick skin, ( look at some of the abuse he gets on his you tube site ).

              Having said and perhaps it is just me, I have noticed recently Robert has become less tolerant especially if the content of some of the comments are mind blowingly ( is that a word 🙂 insane and of no benefit to any genuine visitors of this site of which there are many and whom have become my friends in our virtual congregation.

            • The Raven

              I agree. I like this place a great deal, Jaime. I considered myself fairly well versed until I began reading Robert’s work and not just that but the fantastic comments here from some very insightful and earnest folks. Some of the stuff that shows up here is nothing but troll dung and they make a nasty mess. I commend him for keeping this place a venue representative of someone who is inspired for the sake of us all.

            • Jamie Mac

              Last sentence especially, totally with you.

            • The Terrible Truth

              And that is your right to not agree and I have no problem with that. But to continue on about it without any real knowledge of your own is counter productive and those that do such things can dismiss themselves if they don’t agree. It’s simple really. Thank you for your insight. Yah Bless.

            • The Raven

              You are very arrogant for someone who buys into the BS you are spewing. Don’t even go there. I am very familiar with what you’re saying and I vehemently disagree with it and your tactics. So save your smarmy snark for someone who is easily fooled. I am not.

            • The Terrible Truth

              That is fine Mr Raven. That is your right to disagree and I have no problem with it nor do I have a problem with Robert not agreeing. I am merely trying to let people know what I believe to be the start and while it very well may not come to fruition, it still is necessary to stay awake and keep watch. You are dismissed. Yah Bless

            • The Raven

              You do not dismiss anyone. Not here. In fact, you may be the one dismissed.

            • The Terrible Truth

              cool story. Now are you done here? May I converse with someone that can give more insight than Matthew 24:36?

            • The Raven

              lol. Anyone else can step up any time to this plate. I’m waiting to see who’ll bite.

            • The Terrible Truth

              Ask Robert to accept my original comment regarding my interpretation of the prophecy so they may do it in a fairly and get all the information. I dont want to be a pest and keep posting such a long comment. Thank you.

            • The Raven

              He will see this and make a decision on it. That’s all I can tell you about that.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I am arrogant with those that are arrogant with me. Yah Bless.

            • The Raven

              Francis, is that you? How ya been ? I recognize that BS. You tried this before. Come in all sweet and concerned and then…bam! You show who you really are.

            • The Terrible Truth

              My name is Josiah Mr. Raven but thanks for the guess

            • The Raven

              I don’t buy that. You even used some of Francis’ descriptive terms. I’m sure a few here who’ve been through this before me realize it.

            • The Terrible Truth

              lol Ok I am done with you you worker of lawlessness. I came on here thinking these people were men and women of Yahweh. You call me a liar? What a joke and a sad excuse for someone that claims they follow Jehovah. Or what are you really here for?

            • The Raven

              You came here making predictions and are so cocksure of yourself you insulted me right off the bat. Now you are butthurt?? Hahaha! They can jump in any time. Wonder why they haven’t? Really?

            • The Terrible Truth

              Mr. Raven I am sorry if you feel i insulted you. However, I tried to remain polite and unbiased because I know not all will agree with what I said. It was you that was insulting so I rebuked or dismissed you as the bible says to do so. But again, I apologize. Good day.

            • The Raven

              uh no. That’s not what you did. You called me condescending.

            • The Terrible Truth

              uh. because you were being condescending but I digress. I apologize and I wish you well. Good Day.

            • The Raven

              I wasn’t. I simply replied to you when you asked for comments and why you took it as such surprised me. But what I said about making predictions stands. I am also waiting to see who replies to this.

            • The Terrible Truth

              Your information wasn’t strong enough to deter me from this “prediction”. I’ve been studying this and praying constantly not to be mislead and I believe this to be truth. Quoting Matthew 24:36 isn’t proof one cannot see the day coming for the great tribulation. That scripture refers to Armageddon and Armageddon alone. But I’m sure you knew that.

            • The Raven

              You are basing this on what’s NOT there? That sounds very familiar. Seeing the composite signs that may lead to an event is one thing, predicting the dates is another. But you can see that too.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I am merely stating the day I BELIEVE it to be. I am not stating this is set in stone and is fact. What do you not comprehend about this?

            • The Raven

              Do you not see why trying to point to a day when you think tribulation will begin is wrong? This is not about Armageddon. The days are spelled out about that once the beast takes power. This is about the beginning. You are basically predicting the start of tribulation or collapse and war. Just like the wto has done and every jewish mystic and fortuneteller having centered their views around Israel and rabbinic opinion. Even if you don’t believe it you are basing your belief on that.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I am basing my belief system off of what the bible is telling me. I understand that you cannot see the correlation between Daniel 12:11-12 and Matthew 24:15-22 and world events. That’s understandable. Not everyone will have insight. But just because you don’t think it to be true doesn’t mean it may not take place this way.

            • The Raven

              It’s not insight I lack. It’s the will to engage in divination. I see no way to come up with a literal date for tribulation. That would also imply you know when the devil will be cast out of heaven to the earth.

            • The Terrible Truth

              Lol I am not contacting spirits or reading tarot cards or glass balls. I am reading biblical scripture. Daniel 12:11-12 gives specific DAYS and when compared to Matt 24:15-22 you can make the correlation if you have insight which is what you say you do not lack. YOU may very well not see a way to come up with a literal date but this doesn’t mean others who study scripture vehemently won’t be able too. I don’t see how the devil being cast out of heaven has anything to do with this but I believe he was cast out 6 years before 1914 when the beginning of pangs of distress started in 1908 at the Tunguska Event.

            • The Raven

              What? Oh boy. LOL! I don’t think we have anything else to talk about man. This is not about insight. This is about YOUR beliefs. I want no part of them. Have a good evening.

            • The Terrible Truth

              We haven’t had anything else to talk about for awhile man and this is why I said Good Day. I’m sorry you cannot put world events and biblical scripture together. Again, this is none of my concern. This is about insight into the scriptures and how it applies to mankind and the events that have taken place on earth. Period. lol You have a good evening as well.

            • The Raven

              Well, I can put world events and scripture together and come up with something entirely different from you. Let’s just leave it at that. Shall we?

            • The Terrible Truth

              No, by all means, be my guest. You “vehemently” disagree and continue to express your opinion on the matter with no scriptural basis to back it up. By all means, put world events and scripture together. What do you make of Daniel 12:11-12 and how does it apply to world events. specifically, which world event? Also, tell me when you believe the pangs of distress started and when the great serpent was cast out of heaven. I am vehemently interested since you continue to say I know nothing. The floor is yours…

            • The Raven

              You just have to have the last word even if it’s a backhanded insult. What’s the point in it?
              It’s you that implies people are too dense to “see” these things, not I. I just don’t accept your views. That’s it. By all means lets see who here does.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I am not concerned with who has the last word. I am concerned with you saying you can put these things together and yet have not. You not accepting my views does not effect me in anyway but don’t declare you can do something and not put forth proof. Good Day.

            • The Raven

              night…

            • The Raven

              The question is what are you here for since you know JW do not make predictions.

            • The Terrible Truth

              JW do not make predictions? Like the 1914 prediction or the 607 BCE prediction or the prediction that the disgusting thing will start the Great Tribulation?

            • The Raven

              Those who know the truth don’t. But you know that.

            • The Raven

              That’s why they are here. Because the org did that and they learned the truth about that mess. Robert has cleared up a lot of misconceptions and outright lies about it.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha ha! I’ve just worked my way down Julian’s diatribe to find he gives up and calls you a worker of lawlessness. I spent most of my life as a worker of lawlessness as I was employed by the government! So though I say it myself, you are in good company Raven…….and that really is a terrible truth!

            • The Raven

              That’s a great way of looking at it! Thanks, Man!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Sure do! Josiah is a fall-back name he uses. Jolian is another. I’ve even seen him turn up as a Mary-Ellen and a John-boy.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I am confused as to what kind of website this actually is where people claim to follow the true God Yah and yet call others liars. May Jehovah God rebuke you.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well let me unconfuse you Josephus. A website in which adherents charge those who oppose the word of Jehovah as liars, is solely composed of those whom are confident that they are reading the truth. It’s quite simple really.

            • The Raven

              Lol! Thanks, Burt.

            • The Raven

              A few things gave you away man. Too bad. Nice try.

            • The Terrible Truth

              Go back and re-read man. I was being polite throughout. Too bad. Nice try.

            • The Raven

              I don’t think you’ll find anyone here that will buy into that prediction business either. I Know Robert won’t.

            • Southern ShaSha

              Humility can go a long way in having a tiny bit of insight!

            • The Terrible Truth

              Yes I am claiming the date of December 1, 2017 to be the day Donald Trump decides to finally move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem after 27 years (1995) it was signed into law and this to be the disgusting thing causing desolation just as the Roman Army encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE. I am also claiming that around New Years a war will break out which will be the Great Tribulation or WWIII starting. After the 1290 day period a 45 day period will start which will be the “cutting short” of those days or the cutting short of WWIII. After the 45 day period at the 1335th day Jehovah sends His Son Jesus Christ back but nobody knows EXACTLY when just like the 4 year period in the first fulfillment which ended in 70 CE.

            • The Raven

              Well there you have it. LOL!

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              There is no connection of the present state of Israel with the Prophecy. Do you agree that the people those who don’t believe in Jesus, such people are acceptable to God? If I think according to you that means even Hindus are acceptable to Jehovah as staunch Hindus don’t believe in Jesus and that Muslims don’t believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Just go and learn how the State of present day of Israel was created by directing the UN you will indeed find that God’s hand is not there in the creation of the present state of Israel. You see the present state of Israel is a powerful nuclear powered country, they have the capacity to take anyone.

              It is only the Christian congregation that can be easily dashed into pieces (Dan:12:7) as they don’t have any connection with the political system of this world. It is only the Christian congregation like a city with no protecting walls. So disgusting thing surrounding the holy place means banning of the Christian congregation by UN.

            • The Terrible Truth II

              My goodness cognitive dissonance runs rapid in this thread. I KNOW present day Israel DOES NOT HAVE JEHOVAHS FAVOR. Jesus stated those that disown him he will disown in front of His Father at Matthew 10:33.
              The apostle Paul was once known as a persecutor of the congregation. How did he do this? Because he believed in the faith that the so called “Jews” in Israel practice today! Galatians 1:13 Of course, you heard about my conduct formerly in Juʹda·ism, that I kept intensely persecuting the congregation of God and devastating it.
              MT 23:37 blatantly states Jah is not with Jerusalem! 37Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you.!
              Now that we got that out of the way can we move forward? My goodness!
              Matthew 24:15 states when the disgusting thing gets put in place, this starts the great tribulation at Matthew 24:21.

              We must find out what the disgusting thing causing desolations(DTCD) is then.

              What is disgusting to God? Like 16:15 – anything that man exalts is a disgusting thing in Gods eyes. So something will be exalted in the time of the end but what?
              Revelations 13:4 states the world worships the devil because they worshiped the “beast” or “nation” with the words, “who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?”
              In plain English, “who is like this nation, who is greater than its military!”
              So we see the DTCD is a nation with a fierce military. But what about desolations? Daniel 9:26 “and until the time of the end there will be war: what is decided upon is desolations.” So war is synonymous with desolations.

              The disgusting thing causing desolations is the mighty nation that causes war.

            • The Terrible Truth II

              Part 2 –

              So we know that the disgusting thing causing desolations in plain English is “the mighty Nation that causes war”. To further prove this point we cross reference Matthew 24:15 with Luke 21:20.

              Matt 24:15 Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

              And Luke 21:20, ” However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains…”

              So as I’ve already proved, the disgusting thing is synonymous with a nation with a military because Luke 21:20 says there will be encamped armies around Jerusalem! But wait, it says encamped armIES, plural. What I told you earlier regarding revelations 13:4 was one army, singular. So where do these other armies come from? We find our answer at Daniel 11:31 where it speaks of the KING OF THE NORTH (KOTN) vs the king of the south(KOTS).

              Daniel 11:31 And ARMIES will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation!”

              So we see here the king of the north will have a COALITION of armies at his expense and he will use them to set up HIS own army in JERUSALEM because at the end of Daniel 11:31 it states they will set up the DTCD or “a nation with a fierce military”. If you continue reading Daniel 11:31 to the end of the chapter it speaks of a war that continues til the time of the end between the KOTN and the KOTS! You also have to remember Matthew 24:21 stated once the DTCD got put in place it would be the worst time on earth. So you have to think to yourself, if there is a war going on between the KOTN and the KOTS from Daniel 11:31 to the end of the chapter, and Matthew 24:21 describes this time as being the worst time on earth…

              what could be worse than WWI or WWII? The great tribulation is synonymous with WWIII !!!

            • The Terrible Truth II

              Part 3 –

              And how long will WWIII last?

              Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days.”

              1,290 days is about 3 and a half years or 42 months.

              Now go back to revelations 13:4-5 and we read,

              “4 And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?” 5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months.”

              So this prophecy, in plain English states, ” the mighty nation with a fierce military that causes war will encircle Jerusalem with a coalition of armies which will start WWIII and will last for 42 months before Christ return!” And if you continue reading revelations 13 it states that this nation will give power to another “beast” which I believe to be the United Nations when they will implement the NWO. But I have yet to scripturally prove it yet so I’m leaving that out. Also, Daniel 12:12 states there will be 1335 days and if you cross reference that with Matthew 24:46 you know it’s referring to Armageddon or Christ’ return but I have yet to without a doubt prove that too so I leave it out. I do know, however, the UN will subject everyone with “the mark of the beast” and I believe you receive it by pledging your allegiance to the nation you live in because as I’ve stated before, the world belongs to the devil. You must remain neutral through WWIII.

              Revelations 13:10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones

            • The Terrible Truth II

              Revelations 11:2 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months.

            • The Terrible Truth

              I do not claim to know the exact moment and second or hour Yahweh will tell His Son, “Ok, now is the time for Armageddon, GO!”

            • The Raven

              But you chose a date to look out for didn’t you?

            • The Terrible Truth

              Matt 24:15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment),
              Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the constant feature*+ has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place,+ there will be 1,290 days.

              So the Disgusting thing will last for 1,290 days.

              Matt 24:16-21 hen let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+ 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be GREAT TRIBULATION+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.

              Which means this time period will last 1,290 days.

              Matt 24:22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short

              Daniel 12:12 “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation* and who arrives at the 1,335 days!

              Matt 24:46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!
              ^^^ Refers to Christ Second Coming and when referenced with Daniel 12:12 one can make the argument that this is the meaning.

            • The Raven

              No one knows when None of that prophecy points to a day at all and that’s what you did. Bottom line. And the disgusting thing is not put into place immediately either. It doesn’t matter what the nations believe, the fact remains, they will all be caught off guard.

            • Bye Terrible Francis

            • Joseph

              Hahaha,
              One IN the same!
              Probably his own trinity!!

            • The Raven

              LOL!

            • The Raven

              Well, Robert as you well know you get the most flack when you’re directly over the target. You’ve been hitting the bulls-eye’s consistently, man. You have my deepest thanks.

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              We will see and I will see to that. Definitely I will Fire u on new year.

            • The Terrible Truth II

              If I told you what I’ve been going through the last few months you wouldn’t even begin to understand. Acts 2:17

            • Easach of Coimbatore

              Very well said raven

        • The Raven

          The Jews, Jerusalem, the sacrifices and all they were are gone. What you are stating is a Jewish and Christian Zionist belief that the physical nation state of Israel and the carnal city of Jerusalem still are Gods’ people. They are not and have not been since their complete destruction.

          https://e-watchman.com/144000-revelation/
          Excerpt:
          “It is Christ’s congregation that is the true seed of Abraham that will bring blessings to all the nations, as Jehovah had promised Abraham. In his letter to the Galatians Paul referred to this congregation as “the Israel of God.”

          In keeping with that designation, in the salutation in the opening words of the letter of James the writer sends greetings to “the 12 tribes that are scattered about,” calling them “my brothers.” We may be certain the Christian writer is not addressing the Jews as his brothers, many of whom hated Jesus and persecuted his followers.

          Besides the above, Revelation was written more than 20 years after Jerusalem had been destroyed by the Romans. That destruction was in fulfillment of Jesus’ own prophecy. It underscored the fact that Jehovah had finished using the nation of Israel. And the fact that Christians who had been living in Jerusalem survived that Holocaust was proof that God had transferred his blessing away from Israel and the Jews to Christians.”

        • The Raven

          Even the Russians aren’t going to argue about this.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

          “In April 2017, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced it viewed Western Jerusalem as Israel’s capital in the context of UN-approved principles which include the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state.[245][246][247]

      • The Terrible Truth II

        I came back to this post to show you and Robert that I am not hiding as a different person. All I wish is to spread truth. The past behind us, if you will it, Robert, is like to give this a last shot as to what the disgusting thing causing desolations is and how it will play out in our time. Are you willing to listen? If you disagree I will go on my way and impart this knowledge to those with insight… I leave it in your hands…

        • Easach of Coimbatore

          You don’t have insight. You are same as those Zionist Christians.

          • The Terrible Truth II

            Incorrect. You and raven just don’t do comprehend what it is I wrote. Zionist Christians will inherit the mark of the beast because they will be fooled into believing God is with the nation of Israel. I’ve already written that 2 months ago. But that aside, see if this makes any sense to you please and thank you…

            Matthew 24:15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains 24:21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again”

            These verses are telling us the disgusting thing causing desolation (DTCD) will start the great tribulation. The next question is obviously what is the DTCD? I’ll break this down in two parts.

            The Disgusting thing and desolations.

            What is disgusting in the eyes of God? Luke 16:15 the last sentence has our answer where it states, ” For what is considered exalted by men is a disgusting thing in God’s sight.”

            So something will be exalted or praised by the world in the time of the end and it will be “disgusting” in the eyes of God. But what? Revelations 13:4 has our answer…

            “And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?”

            We know that the dragon is Satan, Daniel 7:17 tells us that “beasts” are synonymous with “nations” in the Bible. So this verse is saying that the people of the earth worship the devil because they worshipped the nation with the words “who is like this nation? Who is greater than its military!”. Why do they worship the devil? Because the world belongs to him! ( read 2 Corinthians 4:4, Luke 4:6, 1 John 5:19, psalms 2:2)

            So the disgusting thing is a mighty nation with a fierce military! But what is desolations? Well Daniel 9:26 has the answer the last sentence states,

            “And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations”. So we see war is synonymous with desolations!”

            The disgusting thing causing desolations in plain English is “The mighty nation that causes war”.

            So we know that the disgusting thing causing desolations in plain English is “the mighty Nation that causes war”. To further prove this point we cross reference Matthew 24:15 with Luke 21:20.

            Matt 24:15 Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

            And Luke 21:20, ” However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains…”

            So as I’ve already proved, the disgusting thing is synonymous with a nation with a military because Luke 21:20 says there will be encamped armies around Jerusalem! But wait, it says encamped armIES, plural. What I told you earlier regarding revelations 13:4 was one army, singular. So where do these other armies come from? We find our answer at Daniel 11:31 where it speaks of the KING OF THE NORTH (KOTN) vs the king of the south(KOTS).

            Daniel 11:31 And ARMIES will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation!”

            So we see here the king of the north will have a COALITION of armies at his expense and he will use them to set up HIS own army in JERUSALEM because at the end of Daniel 11:31 it states they will set up the DTCD or “a nation with a fierce military”. If you continue reading Daniel 11:31 to the end of the chapter it speaks of a war that continues til the time of the end between the KOTN and the KOTS! You also have to remember Matthew 24:21 stated once the DTCD got put in place it would be the worst time on earth. So you have to think to yourself, if there is a war going on between the KOTN and the KOTS from Daniel 11:31 to the end of the chapter, and Matthew 24:21 describes this time as being the worst time on earth…

            what could be worse than WWI or WWII? The great tribulation is synonymous with WWIII !!!

            And how long will WWIII last?

            Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days.”

            1,290 days is about 3 and a half years or 42 months.

            Now go back to revelations 13:4-5 and we read,

            “4 And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?” 5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months.”

            So this prophecy, in plain English states, ” the mighty nation with a fierce military that causes war will encircle Jerusalem with a coalition of armies which will start WWIII and will last for 42 months before Christ return!” And if you continue reading revelations 13 it states that this nation will give power to another “beast” which I believe to be the United Nations But I have yet to scripturally prove it yet so I’m leaving that out. Also, Daniel 12:12 states there will be 1335 days and if you cross reference that with Matthew 24:46 you know it’s referring to Armageddon or Christ’ return but I have yet to without a doubt prove that too so I leave it out. You must remain neutral through WWIII. It is knocking on your door much sooner than you realize.

            Revelations 13:10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.

  • The Terrible Truth

    This is my interpretation and truly believe the appointed time is upon us. I welcome any and all feedback if allowed. Thank you!

  • The Terrible Truth

    In 1995 congress passed a law that was supposed to make the embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Since 1995 every sitting president has signed a waiver every 6 months to postpone the move due to the possibility of conflict between Muslim nations and Israel. Donald Trump, on has campaign trail, vehemently expressed his intention to make this move as one of his campaign promises. If the US moves the embassy it will signify a highly symbolic move for Israel as confirmation of the city of Jerusalem being the capitol of Israel. Muslims will have a problem with this because they believe it is their holy city so war will break out, a “Holy war” if you will, between Nations like Iraq/Iran and the US and Israel. Eventually more and more Nations will get involved. These events will signify something deeper that you can find in your bible.

    Present day USA is The beast to come forward in revelations 13 and if it moves into Jerusalem via the embassy, this will be the disgusting thing causing desolation just as the Romans encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE and ended in 70 CE. The first fulfillment is critical because I believe it will happen just as it did back then. If you notice Daniel 12:11 speaks of the disgusting thing being in place for 1290 days. This period of time matches up exactly how the first disgusting thing, the Roman army, encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE to 70 CE and made her desolate. The same will happen in our time per Luke 21:20 (Cross reference matthew 24:15). The great tribulation will last 1290 days.

    But what about the 1335 days as spoken of at Daniel 12:12? It states happy are those that make it to the 1335 days and when you cross reference Matthew 24:46 it states, Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! This scripture is giving an example of Christ’ SECOND RETURN. At the end of the 1335 days Christ will return and this will mark the start of Armageddon. But what about the 45 day period between the 1290 days and the 1335 days? Matthew 24:22 gives us the answer, “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” This 45 day period will be the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and will give the ones following Christ the opportunity to flee. Once we arrive at the end of the 45 day period it will mark the 1335th day and this is when Armageddon will commence!

    Worldly Christians WANT the US to move the embassy because they think the Jews of today are Gods people but Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 state they are a synagogue of Satan. This is how worldly Christians will be mislead. Worldly Christians also believe it will make bible prophecy come true in that Jerusalem will be the eternal city of God but it’s actually the opposite. Trump has the option to move the US embassy to Jerusalem every 6 months as the last 3 presidents could have since 1995 atrs I stated earlier. The next time Trump has this option will be on December 1, 2017. According to rabbinic sources, in the time when Jesus was on earth three trumpet blasts at about the ninth hour, or three o’clock, on Friday afternoon announced the Sabbath day’s approach. Now I believe what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 were highly blatant prophecies being told (such as wars would break out) and cunningly subtle prophecies(Such as Matt. 24:20) and we read, “Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day;”. I believe this to be a subtle warning Jesus was giving us. The day Donald Trump can move the embassy is on Friday the First of December. This is the Sabbath Day in Wintertime!

    So to reiterate what I am saying, Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:22 is the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and leading into Armageddon.

    15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+ 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be GREAT TRIBULATION+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.+ 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.+

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 Make sure of all things;+ hold fast to what is fine.

  • black curtain

    TTT, your not Francis Bencharles perchance :-)?

    • Burt Reynolds

      You wouldn’t think he could be Francis, Black Curtain because he has not had his comments ‘proof read!’ If it were not for that, I would say you were absolutely right. He appears on some sites as ‘The Terrible Troll’, and on others as ‘The Tetley Teabag’, and yet again on others as ‘The Terribly Tedious Tenacious Tribulation Texan Tripe Talker’, and visiting any of those sites will lead you back to our old friend. I would imagine after that pasting, poor old Raven will have a lot of feathers to sort out and have to get down to the blacksmith to get his beak sharpened!

      • The Raven

        I knew who he was. Same thing happened last time, remember. He exposed himself. Then he set a trap for folks to fall into by arguing about what’s NOT there. Same old stuff. It’s not worth my time to fool with it any longer.

      • The Raven

        Pasting? I don’t think so, Burt. I broke off when he claimed the devil was thrown down to earth in 1908 at the Tunguska event. That was a rabbit hole I did not care to go into. lol. If I recall he predicted other things here which did not come about and folks here were fed up with the insults. Before my time. Richard told me he snared a few rabbits and he’s probably come back to see if he can get more. I also recall Thinking ( the person) exposed him before he insulted Robert and got thrown out. Correct me if I’m wrong since much of this happened before I arrived, Burt.

        • Burt Reynolds

          You are right. I wasn’t expecting him back this soon. I thought it remarkable how long you exchanged blows with him. Like a boxing match. I admire your endurance. I could only manage a round now and again and had to retire each time. I’ve never heard of the Tunguska event but if I recall correctly, Charles claimed Satan was thrown down on at least five occasions thus far….a bit like Jehovah playing with a Yo-Yo. Now he’s thrown down, now he’s back up, now thrown down……what I find concerning about his comments are that they sound inspired. I don’t think any reasoning person could argue that way. Very concerning.

          • The Raven

            He does have a nasty habit of slyly implying folks are too stupid to see his “great insight”. That was all too familiar to many here. He’s not interested in feedback, he’s only here to trap a few more victims. If he wanted feedback he would be in a place where like minded folks are. But he chooses this site since he knows many here are troubled and conflicted about what the wto has done. Easy pickings, or so he thinks. He came in appealing to people’s genuine concern for other witnesses as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. That’s really low. I don’t blame Robert for booting him out.
            Yep. I’d say he’s inspired all right. But by what?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well I didn’t want to say what he was inspired by, but his sort of jabbering babble is the stuff of nightmares and abandoned crypts.

            • The Raven

              I agree. I’m trying hard to keep myself on the straight and narrow as are others here. I don’t think any of us need that sort of nonsense haunting the place.

            • The Raven

              By the way, I got some Battenberg cake. Pardon my saying so, but we call it checkerboard cake here. It’s really good with a hot cup of dark roast coffee.

            • Jamie Mac

              No No Raven, you have got to eat that with a cup of tea. Burt will back me up on this 🙂

            • The Raven

              I suppose it was sacrilegious of me to do that. I can hear it now from Burt. LOL!

          • Jamie Mac

            Hi Burt, the Tunguska event points to an asteroid hit that exploded in mid air over that region. It wiped out a vast sway of forestry knocking trees down. There was no crater impact site which is why they think it exploded in mid air.

            I remember Robert having a conversation with someone about this on one of his you tube presentations, I forget which one. It sounded daft then.

            • The Raven

              LOL! It still sounds daft. That’s when I decided I’d best leave this fruitcake alone.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Oh right! I have a distant recollection of reading about that. Was it in Russia? Obviously it must have been in a remote area because if no one was there to see a tree fall In a forest it wouldn’t have made a sound!

    • The Terrible Truth

      Lol I must admit… I am interested in knowing who this Francis character is. But if you could do me the courtesy of reading over my interpretation of the prophecy regarding Matthew 24 I would really appreciate it. Ravens argument was that Matthew 24:36 states that no man nor angel or the Son knows they hour but only the Father and while that is true, this scripture is referring to Armageddon. It could also be interpreted as nobody knowing the EXACT moment in time it will happen which is true. His other argument was that it is a form of divination to search the scriptures and try to come to a conclusion on a future date which is the thesis of what the apostles were trying to do: Asking Jesus Himself when the “end times” would occur. He confuses searching scriptures and applying it to world events with reading tarot cards or palm readings and not only is he incorrect but he did it in a condescending way which in turn made me give my responses the way I did. But i digress.. please look it over and really study it before you agree or disagree. Thank you!

    • The Terrible Truth

      In 1995 congress passed a law that was supposed to make the embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Since 1995 every sitting president has signed a waiver every 6 months to postpone the move due to the possibility of conflict between Muslim nations and Israel. Donald Trump, on has campaign trail, vehemently expressed his intention to make this move as one of his campaign promises. If the US moves the embassy it will signify a highly symbolic move for Israel as confirmation of the city of Jerusalem being the capitol of Israel. Muslims will have a problem with this because they believe it is their holy city so war will break out, a “Holy war” if you will, between Nations like Iraq/Iran and the US and Israel. Eventually more and more Nations will get involved. These events will signify something deeper that you can find in your bible.

      Present day USA is The beast to come forward in revelations 13 and if it moves into Jerusalem via the embassy, this will be the disgusting thing causing desolation just as the Romans encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE and ended in 70 CE. The first fulfillment is critical because I believe it will happen just as it did back then. If you notice Daniel 12:11 speaks of the disgusting thing being in place for 1290 days. This period of time matches up exactly how the first disgusting thing, the Roman army, encircled Jerusalem in 66 CE to 70 CE and made her desolate. The same will happen in our time per Luke 21:20 (Cross reference matthew 24:15). The great tribulation will last 1290 days.

      But what about the 1335 days as spoken of at Daniel 12:12? It states happy are those that make it to the 1335 days and when you cross reference Matthew 24:46 it states, Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! This scripture is giving an example of Christ’ SECOND RETURN. At the end of the 1335 days Christ will return and this will mark the start of Armageddon. But what about the 45 day period between the 1290 days and the 1335 days? Matthew 24:22 gives us the answer, “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” This 45 day period will be the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and will give the ones following Christ the opportunity to flee. Once we arrive at the end of the 45 day period it will mark the 1335th day and this is when Armageddon will commence!

      Worldly Christians WANT the US to move the embassy because they think the Jews of today are Gods people but Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 state they are a synagogue of Satan. This is how worldly Christians will be mislead. Worldly Christians also believe it will make bible prophecy come true in that Jerusalem will be the eternal city of God but it’s actually the opposite. Trump has the option to move the US embassy to Jerusalem every 6 months as the last 3 presidents could have since 1995 atrs I stated earlier. The next time Trump has this option will be on December 1, 2017. According to rabbinic sources, in the time when Jesus was on earth three trumpet blasts at about the ninth hour, or three o’clock, on Friday afternoon announced the Sabbath day’s approach. Now I believe what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 were highly blatant prophecies being told (such as wars would break out) and cunningly subtle prophecies(Such as Matt. 24:20) and we read, “Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day;”. I believe this to be a subtle warning Jesus was giving us. The day Donald Trump can move the embassy is on Friday the First of December. This is the Sabbath Day in Wintertime!

      So to reiterate what I am saying, Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:22 is the beginning of the Great Tribulation to the cutting short of the Great Tribulation and leading into Armageddon.

      15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+ 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be GREAT TRIBULATION+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.+ 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.+

      1 Thessalonians 5:21 Make sure of all things;+ hold fast to what is fine.

  • black curtain

    Well done Burt I hope that TTTTTTTT (damn good alliteration by the way) gets to see your post. Such scribery should not be wasted

  • Anonymous-DR

    Hi Robert. I’m Anonymous from Dominican Republic. I’ ve found another small sample of that the Watchtower shows the pure and simple truth in magazines intended for the public, but does not when it comes to the study edition. For example, in the “Awake” num. 5 2017 page 6, you can read this words: “In case of an outdoor chemical, biological, or NUCLEAR accident or ATTACK, stay indoors. They will never recognize this possibility in the Study edition. I remember that you tell me this before.

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