The Perversity of You Men!

//The Perversity of You Men!

Jerusalem is one of the oldest cities on earth. The first mention of it in the Holy Bible is in the book of Genesis, in connection with Melchizedek – a type of Christ, a priest, who was also the king of Salem. The 76th Psalm, which states: “God is known in Judah; in Israel his name is great. And his covert proves to be in Salem itself, and his dwelling place in Zion” – makes it plain that Salem is Jerusalem.

(Salem means “two-fold peace.” Ironically, though, according to Wikipedia during its storied history “Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.”)

Jerusalem, though, has many names – the city of Jehovah, the holy city, Zion and so on. Isaiah 29:1-2 refers to Jerusalem as “Ariel,” saying of it: “Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the town where David encamped! Add year upon year, you people; let the festivals run the round. And I have to make things tight for Ariel, and there must come to be mourning and lamentation, and she must become to me as the altar hearth of God.”

When the Israelites conquered the land of Canaan they did not then dispossess the Jebusites of their stronghold. It was not until David became king many centuries later, when he brought his encampment against it, that Jerusalem was captured and eventually became the capitol city of Jehovah’s earthly kingdom. And David’s son, Solomon, erected a magnificent temple on the highest hill within the city called Zion. All the Israelite males were required to attend the annual festivals there.

Not only was it the official center for the worship of Jehovah but also upon his final visit to the holy city great crowds hailed Jesus as the messianic King, the son of David – the savior. And outside the walls of Jerusalem was also the place where Christ was sacrificed. Other anointed Christians were no doubt slain in Jerusalem as well, including prominent men such as Stephen and the apostle James. Having died faithful it was as if they were sacrificed on God’s altar hearth, which is apparently the meaning of “Ariel.”

Needless to say, Jerusalem and Zion have featured prominently in the outworking of Jehovah’s grand purpose, which is why they also have an important symbolic significance. For example, Paul referred to Christians as approaching a heavenly Mount Zion. Likewise, Revelation makes mention of a New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. This makes it plain that there are two Jerusalems – an earthly Jerusalem and a symbolic, heavenly Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is the focus of many prophecies as well, prophecies that have to do with the coming of Christ. Appropriately, Christ himself uttered the most prominent prophecy concerning Jerusalem. Jesus foretold that during the conclusion of the global system of things hostile forces would surround Jerusalem and the holy place within its hallowed walls would ultimately come to desolation. Christians would be required to flee for their lives in response.

Jehovah’s Witnesses realize that in the grander fulfillment that will take place in a great tribulation, a catastrophe that will come upon the whole world, Jesus had something more in mind than the literal city of Jerusalem located in the Middle East. That is discernable from the fact that when explaining the events to come Jesus referred the reader to the prophecy of Daniel, which foretells that the holy place and sanctuary of God would be trampled upon by an enemy during the time of the end – the time of the end being when Christ returns and ultimately asserts his control over the world.

But since a Jewish temple has not existed in Jerusalem since the first century – when it was utterly obliterated by the Roman legions – it is apparent that the holy place and the city of Jerusalem represent something entirely different. But what?

“FROM THE DUST YOUR OWN SAYING WILL CHIRP”

First, it ought to be recognized that Ariel belongs to God. Even though God determined to make things tight for the city where David once encamped he also enters into judgment with the earthly agents that come against Ariel. Consider the next span of verses, which say: “And you must become low so that you will speak from the very earth, and as from the dust your saying will sound low. And like a spirit medium your voice must become even from the earth, and from the dust your own saying will chirp. And the crowd of those strange to you must become just like fine powder, and the crowd of the tyrants just like the chaff that is passing away. And it must occur in an instant, suddenly. From Jehovah of armies you will have attention with thunder and with quaking and with a great sound, storm wind and tempest, and the flame of a devouring fire.”

The Assyrian and Babylonian armies that menaced Jerusalem on different occasions were certainly tyrannical. However, God did not go to war against them with thunder, quaking, storm wind and flames of fire. In the case of the Assyrians God merely dispatched an angel who slew Sennacherib’s army while they slept. And Nebuchadnezzar was given a free hand to raze Jerusalem and drag the Jews off in chains. God did not intervene. It is apparent that God’s response to the “crowd of the tyrants” is actually describing the war of Armageddon.

The prophecy of Zechariah, which was written after Nebuchadnezzar had destroyed Jerusalem, similarly foretells that Jehovah will go to war against all the nations that make war on Jerusalem. To illustrate the point Zechariah 14:12 states: “And this is what will prove to be the scourge with which Jehovah will scourge all the peoples that will actually do military service against Jerusalem: There will be a rotting away of one’s flesh, while one is standing upon one’s feet; and one’s very eyes will rot away in their sockets, and one’s very tongue will rot away in one’s mouth.”

There are numerous other prophecies that use Zion and Jerusalem as a symbol of God’s possession. One more example is Joel: “And I will give portents in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling. For, look! in those days and in that time, when I shall bring back the captive ones of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also collect together all the nations and bring them down to the low plain of Jehoshaphat; and I will put myself on judgment with them there on account of my people and my inheritance Israel, whom they scattered among the nations; and they apportioned out my own land.”

Interestingly, on the day of Pentecost when Peter addressed the crowds who had gathered as a result of the miraculous wind that blew through Jerusalem he quoted from the passage of Joel above. And it is no coincidence that the birth of Christianity took place in the holy city, for Jesus had specifically instructed the apostles to stay in Jerusalem until the anointing spirit was poured out upon them. In that respect those freshly anointed Christians were literally gathered to the physical city of Jerusalem. But, of course, those events did not segue into the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah, as foretold in Joel. Clearly, there is a grander fulfillment.

Still, though, the question remains unanswered: What does Jerusalem typify, specifically in the prophecy of Isaiah regarding the enigmatic Ariel?

According to the Watchtower Society Ariel represents anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses! At least that is what was put to print more than a half century ago in an obscure Questions from Readers column, reproduced below:

This prophecy would therefore apply to spiritual Jerusalem as represented upon earth by the remnant. These words show that God’s earthly organization would come under attack and would be reduced to a very low state by the enemies of God’s kingdom. God’s people would be, as it were, crushed to the earth, at the time of Gog’s attack upon them, so that what utterance they made, what vocal sounds they made, would come up from low down in their abasement. It would be sound coming up from the very dust of the earth. It would be as if a spirit medium were talking with the vocal sound coming from the dust of the earth. However, the next verses show that God would turn his attention to his faithful people who had been brought so low and he would work miracles on their behalf to deliver them from the power of the enemy so that their enemies and oppressors would become like dust and chaff that are quickly blown away by a violent windstorm.

However, apparently that answer to a reader’s question was an anomaly – a rare moment of interpretive lucidity. Since then the Watchtower has avoided repeating that sober interpretation. Even in their supposedly in-depth commentary on Isaiah the Society’s editorial board adroitly glossed over the 29th chapter of Isaiah. But why would they do that? Well, considering that the remainder of the chapter is a stern rebuke of those who come under siege it is obvious that the leadership of the Watchtower do not wish to be cast in that light.

It is not that individuals within the Governing Body and the Watchtower’s corporate men are necessarily bad men. I certainly do not judge them. But remember, God addresses himself to “Ariel” and judges nations and institutions.

While on the one hand individuals within the leadership may humbly acknowledge their own personal imperfections and shortcomings, when it comes to the image of the Watchtower Society itself there is a concerted effort to cast the organization, particularly the institution of the Governing Body, as being virtually infallible; even if it means resorting to a dishonest accounting of the history of the Society and twisting the interpretations of Bible prophecies, as well as clinging to known falsehoods so as to not lose credibility by admitting error – the intent is to present the Organization as something worthy of reverence.

That reality becomes quickly manifest if any of Jehovah’s Witnesses question the Watchtower in any way. Doing so is considered an act of disloyalty to God akin to blaspheming Jehovah himself!

golden-calfIndeed, it appears as though the Devil has slyly seduced Jehovah’s Witnesses into a form of false worship – call it organizational idolatry, Bethel’s golden calf. And as an idol the organization can do no wrong in the eyes of its admirers. In this way the man of lawlessness has brazenly sat down within the spiritual temple of God, elevating himself above other objects of reverence, such as exist in Christendom, “publicly showing himself to be a god” – as the apostle Paul prophesied.

This is why God is determined to silence that which has served as a spokesman for him. That is the meaning of the prophecy found in the 29th chapter of Isaiah. God is foretelling that his earthly channel will become muted, as if speaking a mere whisper from the dust, from the grave itself.

Other prophecies confirm this judgment. For example, Hosea 4:4-6 states: “And I will put your mother to silence. My people will certainly be silenced, because there is no knowledge.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to be God’s people, do they not? And do not Jehovah’s Witnesses also adoringly refer to the organization as their mother? 

“LINGER, YOU MEN, AND BE AMAZED”

Returning to the prophecy of Isaiah, God addresses himself to the leaders of his people, again as in the previous chapter 28 of Isaiah, highlighting their spiritually blind and inebriated condition, saying to them: “Linger, you men, and be amazed; blind yourselves, and be blinded. They have become intoxicated, but not with wine; they have moved unsteadily, but not because of intoxicating liquor. For upon you men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered even your heads, the visionaries. And for you men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ and he has to say: ‘I am unable, for it is sealed up’; and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, somebody saying: ‘Read this out loud, please,’ and he has to say: ‘I do not know writing at all.’”

The Watchtower Society claims to be the “prophet class” (so-called). Because it touts itself as the only agency capable of correctly interpreting the Bible’s many prophetic visions, such as Revelation, its leading men may be called “visionaries.” That being the case, the judgment expressed in Isaiah surely applies to them. God has “covered their heads” – effectively blinding them to the meaning of the prophecies. Whereas, as evidenced by the aforementioned cogent answer to a question from a reader of the Watchtower 50 years ago, “they have become intoxicated,” as the prophecy foretold, and are no longer capable of sober spiritual comprehension. More acutely, Jehovah’s judgment calls upon them to “blind yourselves,” which they have effectively done through their own sophistry.

To be sure, the Watchtower’s many contradictory commentaries on prophecy, which have been painstakingly laid bare on this site over the years, stand as an indelible testimony to the fact that Jehovah has closed their eyes and sealed up the visions to them. It is impossible for any mere mortal to cast light into their impenetrable denseness.

Jehovah’s Witnesses view the Watchtower Society as the embodiment of the “faithful and discreet slave.” In fact, at the Society’s 2012 Annual Meeting the Governing Body declared itself to be “the slave.” That being the case, the following words must apply specifically to them; namely, that their ‘wisdom must perish and the very understanding of their

[faithful and] discreet men will conceal itself.’ In context the prophecy states: “And Jehovah says: ‘For the reason that this people have come near with their mouth, and they have glorified me merely with their lips, and they have removed their heart itself far away from me, and their fear toward me becomes men’s commandment that is being taught, therefore here I am, the One that will act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful; and the wisdom of their wise men must perish, and the very understanding of their discreet men will conceal itself.”’

static.squarespace-261x300Jehovah’s Witnesses glorify God with their lips Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly praise God with their lips. In public meetings and assemblies, on street corners and doorsteps, Jehovah’s Witnesses praise Jehovah with the words of their mouths. But Jehovah’s judgment is that his people are hypocritical, because while they may glorify God in their formal ministry, according to God’s assessment their hearts are really far away from him. And according to God the reason for that is because they are taught the commandments of men.

How are Jehovah’s Witnesses taught the commandments of men?

Well, the Watch Tower Society regulates virtually all aspects of the lives of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Witnesses are told how they must dress and groom themselves, how they must comport themselves in restaurants and hotels when they attend Watchtower conventions. Women are told how long their skirts must be. Men are told how short their hair must be and in many countries men are forbidden to have beards – at least if they wish to serve as elders. They are told what sort of entertainment is acceptable, what sort of associates are approved. Jehovah’s Witnesses are expected to attend all the meetings sponsored by the Watchtower. They are expected to prepare for the meetings and participate in them by making comments. Recently the Watchtower dropped the congregation book study meeting but Witnesses have been commanded to use that time slot for family study. And when it comes to preaching Jehovah’s Witnesses are instructed as to what to say, how to say it, and on and on it goes.

The end result is that Jehovah’s Witnesses measure each other and themselves as to their faithfulness to God by how dutifully they obey the directions and instructions issued by the Governing Body, who consider themselves to be the “glorious ones.”

Of course, the Governing Body insists that Isaiah’s indictment applies to the churchgoers of Christendom. But if that is the case, why then does God intend to “act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful? In what why might we expect Jehovah to act wonderfully towards Christendom?

“WHO IS SEEING US, WHO IS KNOWING OF US?”

Next Jehovah rebukes the leaders of his people for concealing his counsel, saying to them: “Woe to those who are going very deep in concealing counsel from Jehovah himself, and whose deeds have occurred in a dark place, while they say: ‘Who is seeing us, and who is knowing of us?’ The perversity of you men! Should the potter himself be accounted just like the clay? For should the thing made say respecting its maker: ‘He did not make me’? And does the very thing formed actually say respecting its former: ‘He showed no understanding?”’

In what sense is the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses “going very deep in counseling counsel from Jehovah himself”?

One aspect must surely relate to the 1914 doctrine. Jesus stressed to his disciples the importance of their staying in wakeful anticipation of his return. But he forewarned that his return would come as unexpectedly as a thief in the night. Only those disciples who are found faithful will be appointed over all the master’s belongings.

But according to the Watchtower Society Jesus returned in 1914 and rewarded his slaves long ago. Concurrent with that Jesus supposedly fulfilled the prophecy of Malachi too – becoming a refiner and laundryman of his soiled people. So, Jehovah’s Witnesses have absolutely no expectation of coming under God’s judgment in the future. In that respect Bethel has gone deep in obscuring God’s counsel.

However, in total contradiction to their own teaching the visionaries of Bethel also exhort Jehovah’s Witnesses to stay on the watch. The Governing Body foolishly espouses the absurd notion that Jesus comes on multiple occasions – as if his return is commonplace. Knowing that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have the spiritual wherewithal to sort out the mischief that has been worked upon them these words maybe rightly attributed to the Governing Body: “Who is seeing us, and who is knowing of us?”

The Watchtower claims that God has created a spiritual paradise within the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They define spiritual paradise as a place where everyone believes the same thing and everyone gets along. 

convention-delegates-300x173But, according to description found in Isaiah and Ezekiel spiritual paradise will be characterized by the complete absence of animalistic persons. But how could that condition possibly exist among Jehovah’s Witnesses when they are menaced by thousands of pedophiles and suffer from all sorts of wickedness?

Jehovah’s future rebuke of the leaders of his people is certainly well deserved: “The perversity of you men!”

The Watchtower Society claims that God opened the eyes and ears of the blind and deaf in 1918; or rather, the Watchtower claims that its publications have accomplished that feat. However, the next span of verses demolishes that notion. It states: “Is it not yet but a very little time and Lebanon must be turned into an orchard and the orchard itself will be accounted just as a forest? And in that day the deaf ones will certainly hear the words of the book, and out of the gloom and out of the darkness even the eyes of the blind ones will see. And the meek ones will certainly increase their rejoicing in Jehovah himself, and even the poor ones of mankind will be joyful in the Holy One of Israel himself, because the tyrant must reach his end, and the bragger must come to his finish, and all those keeping alert to do harm must be cut off, those bringing a man into sin by his word, and those who lay bait even for the one reproving in the gate, and those who push aside the righteous one with empty arguments.”

“In that day,” is in reference to the assault upon Ariel. That is when God will cause the deaf to actually “hear the words of the book” and those who are spiritually blind will see the light of truth. In that day the Watchtower’s 1914 invisible parousia will be seen for what it is – a hoax, an artfully contrived false story. The meek ones will rejoice to accept the true arrival of Christ and those who up until this moment brag of their great insights and prophetic prowess will be finished. No longer will any Governing Body rule over Christ’s people. “The tyrant must reach his end.”

“I MUST LAY SIEGE TO YOU WITH A PALISADE”

Consider, now, Isaiah 29:3: And I must encamp on all sides against you, and I must lay siege to you with a palisade and raise up against you siegeworks.”

A palisade is a fence of pointed stakes. This is exactly what Christ foretold in connection with Jerusalem at Luke 19:41-44. “And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, saying: ‘If you, even you, had discerned in this day the things having to do with peace—but now they have been hid from your eyes. Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification with pointed stakes and will encircle you and distress you from every side, and they will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.”’

Jesus’ comment is what moved his disciples to later inquire of Jesus when these things would occur. And in response Jesus explained what would take place during the conclusion.

Given the similarity of the prophecy of Isaiah regarding the siege of Ariel, it is apparent that the holy place that is destined to become desolate is not Christendom, as Jehovah ’s Witnesses presently imagine. It is Christ’s congregation – overseen by the Watchtower Society, which Christ has used up until now, but which will ultimately become obsolete, just as Jerusalem and the Jewish system had become in the first century.

During the genuine presence of Christ Jehovah’s Witnesses will be faced with a test of faith like no other. They will be required to abandon the Watchtower Society and discard much of what they presently hold dear. Afterwards, those who are declared faithful sons of the kingdom will become part of the New Jerusalem. It is in behalf of that city, the city having real foundations, that Jehovah will fight.

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2016-12-08T15:12:29+00:00 October 24th, 2012|Isaiah|18 Comments
  • e.v.g

    The elders spoke with me because i was low in hours in the field service report last month, that was because my old blazer was decomposed and i gave the truck to an incompetent neighbor to repair the damages, things ended bad for my old blazer, i was upsetting with that situation, then the elders come with their advise, and I said: look brothers the bible is not saying about that we need to accomplish certain time of hours in the field service work and I took the bible from one of the elders and i was quoting verses from the scriptures, the elders couldn’t give any coherent explanation. Previous week I was rejecting a well paid job because it would interfering with the meetings, we are trying to do things according with the established arrangement but they are seeing only the appearances, or sometimes you don’t feel emotionally well, but it’s ok now I am the elder assistant.

    • Sam

      Meanwhile I pioneered for 6 yrs straight from school.. with practically no support having to work on my own all the time (apart from a few real friends in the cong) had to stop pioneering due to going through chemotherapy and all that good stuff. Received no visits or anything from the elders but they are super quick to arrange to counsel me and others for having facial hair lol. Disregarding the weightier matters of the law such as justice and mercy and such but straining out the gnat. It’s a stumbling block for others

      • e.v.g

        Hope you are doing well brother, things are going bad very soon, I can’t get out that of my mind, troubles right now are nothing in comparison with those to come, we must have true faith in Jehovah, is not easy but is the only way.

      • e.v.g

        Hope you are doing well brother, things are going bad very soon, I can’t get out that of my mind, troubles right now are nothing in comparison with those to come, we must have true faith in Jehovah, is not easy but is the only way.

        • Sam

          Absolutely! I’ve been thinking about that more and more just lately.. so important. Need to keep Jehovah’s words clearly in our mind and forget about all else. And i’m doing fine thank you my bro

          • sunset

            Hi Sam, if you are the brother fighting cancer, i feel for you, as i am fighting too.

      • sunset

        Ok, i was looking for this post from you. What type of cancer are u fighting may i ask? I am fighting stage 4 ovarian. Had too severe allergic reactions to chemotherapy recently. Doing ok at present thanks to Jehovah’s mercy, but i have a stressful schedule/ situation working on my health. May Jehovah continue to bless and help you.

        • Sam

          Stage 4 Hodgkins Lymphoma – I’m in remission now but they’re keeping an eye on me. Having check ups every few months. Glad you are coping with Jehovah’s help, it’s often not until we look back on it all that we realize just how much he has helped us.

          Keeping you in my prayers… i really needed to read this given how i was feeling this evening. I saw your comment briefly about how little help you’ve received from others, i know how that feels. It makes things so hard, things in the congregation must really serve as preparing us for when things start happening very soon. Stay strong, i’m certain Jehovah is looking after you and will continue 🙂

          • sunset

            I am glad u are in remission. You might like to look up on you tube Dr. Sam Chochoua, or see link drsamirt.com , hope i remembered that website correctly.

            In my previous hall a very sweet mother of 2 sweet girls was helping me. She heard about my discouragement with elders, and she said that she really had not seen good elders in a long time, by that i guess she meant really caring and checking in on people. We agreed that there was a very sweet down to earth elder in our hall, but he was caring for a wife who is shy and not in the best health. Also since he is Latin, i looked to him as a father, well he was fatherly in taking time at meetings to listen to me. But i was reassigned to another hall. In the mean time the mother mentioned above sent her parents to encourage me. The father used a scripture in Isaiah about Bethel’s building project , i thought it was in. Isaiah, but i can’t remember the scripture, about a king building a palace for himself at a very bad time, or at the expense of his people. It seemed the parents and i had a lot of views in common. I really appreciated there visit. I did tell them i didn’t believe Jesus had returned in 1914. So the daughter said to make some notes about why Jesus didn’t come in 1914. I went to their home with the notes, but the father in front of 6 others really didn’t give me a chance, he wasn’t patient with my slowness, proved me wrong quickly in front of everyone. Needless to say the mother and daughter no longer help me. They don’t turn me in because, in a sense i could turn him in. He is known as having independent thinking, and i feel he isn’t really humble….so he is on the run to find a congregation to be in.

            I am very exhausted tonight….was at the beach….shared e-watchman.com with a man at the beach. Had to write it in lipstick.

        • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

          TO SUN SET AND SAM,
          I don’t Know who you are
          but a JW, I really love to meet JW’s like you who are suffering, I read your
          story and found that you are a sweet person, but
          wounded that really touched my heart. I am Br. Basavaraj (a JW from birth) from
          India my heart felt greetings to you. But at the same time I feel sorry for the
          conditions you are facing. Anyway may Jehovah sustain you. I can understand how
          much you would have undergone mental agony, but let my words soothe your wounded
          heart. I really love you because you are a wounded sheep even though still I am
          not a wounded sheep but about get wounded in the near future. One of the Elder
          came and told me hey you are a good standing person in the congregation and cong
          needs elders and why don’t you raise to the posts. I just smiled and kept quite.
          Let it happen when it happens. In 2010 when I want about to lose faith in
          Jehovah, Robert King’s website helped to remain in faith and now I have a
          strong faith and my faith has been strengthening till today and when I see all
          your experiences my faith is still strengthen. Some people although they don’t
          do bad things still they suffer but many bad people still enjoying good health
          how is that? Is my observation wrong? I love everyone all you there but I am
          very much afraid of this cancer. Please help me to avoid fear.

          • sunset

            Hello Br. Basavaraj,
            Not all cancers the same or as severe. I wonder if you would like to see you tube videos of Dr. Sam Chochoua? He knows how to help heal serious illness, and therefore he is in hiding because of attempts made on his life. So nice to meet you brother.

            Here in the states American Cancer Society provides drivers to treatment. I don’t have a car. I had a few men drive me to treatment. Finally a woman named Darshita Dahria came to my home. She was late. I was on the phone to a brother about such emergencies when she knocked. I closed the door on her. On second thought i pulled her in. She looked shook up. She had been lost. But i was trying to finish my distress conversation with the brother which she heard, i am sure….i was just in the other room.

            This woman is Hindu, from Mumbai. I have a Punjabi dress from her. She’s been taking care of me in various ways since we met. She had a dear witness friend and had studied with. I witness casually and respectfully to her as I can . She’s heard about Robert King too….
            I just saw a program Yogananda….and found Hindus really respect Jesus, but see him more as a guru.

            I have looked at you tube to see Rajastan. What part of the country are you from? My friend speaks Gujurati.

            Just adding here thru an edit….i just located on the map and thru Wikipedia, Karnataka. I think i saw a food show on Goa, which is kind of near you.

          • sunset

            Also wanted to tell you there is a Seik Temple, Gundarwara near our Kingdom Hall. There is a Hindi Cong. in Woodland Hills, California. I live in S. California.

      • Job 34:21 Job 34:21

        21 For God’s eyes are upon the ways of a man,+And He sees all his steps.
        Isaiah 57:15 Isaiah 57:15
        15 For this is what the High and Lofty One says,Who lives* forever+ and whose name is holy:+“I reside in the high and holy place,+But also with those crushed and lowly in spirit,To revive the spirit of the lowlyAnd to revive the heart of those being crushed.+

  • sunset

    I am fighting cancer as well. Noone from the two congragations i am in comes to see me. Ok one sister comes on sundays as she can, but she is not the close friend i wish for. In fact i have no close witness friends, in the way i would want. A brother and sister from an out of the area congragation visit me, but i can’t call him as i need. He is really a gem of a person. She is sweet too, but not someone i can really talk to.

    I get more help from non-witnesses but miss the spiritual depth.

    I attend one congragation while my card is in the other because i have been badly hurt by untrained, limited, simple brothers who haven’t heard of experiences such as mine. I mistakenly thought elders could help. So when i got reassigned to a congregation with some of these limited brothers i put my card back in the old congragation. I have been too ill to attend meetings, so i don’t exist. Everyone has corbin to give, a gift dedicated to God, in another words they all have to preach, so people don’t have time to visit me. How much time us waisted on not at homes? Things are out of balance….people not allowed to think for themselves….people don’t seem to understand being kind like Christ was is so important. I try to be like that to all i come in contact with

    I have longed for close friends ever since a child. I am a sweet person, but wounded. …my parents didn’t know how to truely be loving and they were restrictive for valid reasons such as living in a bad neighborhood. ….they didnt stick with the truth.

    I suppose when we are unloved as children. …we don’t quite love ourselves, so no wonder others can’t love us. Mainly to have close friends they have to understand you, and if they can’t they are not going to be close.

    I recently borrowed a car and visited the sisters with a cart at the bus station. They didn’t go up to anyone. There were lots of people there. As i left i talked to a young man sitting opposite of them ….he took a magazine and listened.

    • Kevin b

      As you mentioned, things are quite out of balance in the congregations. The elders act like they are so busy, and in their mind I’m sure they are. But let’s look at what they have to do now in the congregation. When I served as an elder I had a weekly home bible study to do. Instruction talk and bible highlights every week on the service meeting that some one was assigned to do. Now, they rotate on the bible study, one mid week meeting, no instruction talk, but they are busier. If Satan can distract the elders from doing their job ( shepherding the flock) it’s easier for him to win. The flock losses faith in “Jehovah’s organization ” which we are told is pretty much Jehovah himself, but its not. There are some really good elders out there, but most seem to be there for show, and the lime light. Ezekiel 34 helps me understand how Jehovah will fix this situation.

      When I was a kid we would take a short break in service to get a drink and maybe a Twinkie or something quick. When the CO visited, don’t even think about stopping for a break. Now it seems the tables have turned, well not really turned but flipped over and thrown outside. Service revolves around the break. They start off by getting breakfast, make a few calls, then the coffee shop til 12, then back to the hall. The COs encourage it. The last visit he said you have really good places to get coffee. Of course everyone counts their time. I wonder how much of the billion plus hours the branch counts are really service hours. I don’t think they really want to do service, but they want everybody to see them out in the ministry. Weather you turn in service time or not Jehovah knows what each of us does.

      It’s hard to have real friends in the congregations because they don’t know what we know. You can’t tell them anything for fear of being called the “A” word. I have it better than some. My wife understands the information here, and I have a really close friend that I talk to about it. I have another brother I’m working on. Yet as Robert has mentioned we need to keep in mind the scripture at Mt 10:16 “Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves.

      Jehovah has brought you here for a reason, you have friends here. I wish you the best in your treatments.

      • sunset

        Kevin,
        Thanks for that encouragement. I am crying. I am very easily prone to stress these days. And i tried sharing an Alex Jones Endgame video , and later one of Robert King’s latest Apocalypse Reports with one of my best friends far away, yesterday. She won’t be reasoned with, she thinks every thing outside the organization is a lie. She was a great friend to me when i was in crisis for many years. I learned to be more of a free thinker because of her, even in regards to personal application of scriptures, and general application. A sister even told her once she is not a prophetess. Then i ran into witnesses who told me i can only take the watchtowers application of scripture. So, no free thinking allowed.

        My faraway friend used in her final word to me Rev 12, and 2 Corinthians 4:4. That last scripture , made me feel so upset. But we had been going back and forth. So i am letting have the last word. I feel like a failure not being able to reason with her. I think it upsets me that she thinks i would steer her wrong.

        Right before i discovered Robert King, i had a personal epiphany that Jesus had not returned yet. I was wondering why we don’t use, or get much meaning from the prophetic books of the bible. I was thinking i should be reading them more, but its hard to keep reading something one can’t really understand. And my experiences with the congregation made me feel all the injustices of religion in the past are present in our congregation.

        • Kevin b

          The branch has done a wonderful job programming the witnesses not to look at anything outside of the organization. Satan has them convinced that they have the truth 100% because he was behind the many lies they have taught from the beginning of this religion. As we know that’s a lie.

          Keep in mind what Isa 42:19 says. Who is blind except my servant, So deaf as the messenger I send? Who is so blind as the one rewarded, So blind as the servant of Jehovah?

          You are not blinded by Satan anymore, but remember she still is. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that everyone who has found this website, have seen or had issues in the organization and looked for answers outside of the branch. Until that happens to the others, or the mass stumbling begins, you may not get too far with anyone. That’s what’s so hard. Our entire lives we’ve preached to people about the truth, now we have the real truth that we would love to shout from the platform at the hall, but we can’t. The time will come, but not quite yet.

          • sunset

            I have had 2 people tell me they haven’t been through what i have, hence do not discuss your disillusionment, or i was indirectly accused of being an apostate by a brother back home. My whole life he has been a supporter of mine….and heard my troubles. But everyone is to excuse elders bad behavior or ineptitude. I saw a video of elder training on how to handle a suicidal sister. Any person off the street would do better than the cold treatment they gave her.

            I was complaining to 2 friends early 2015 about some of the situations i was in. The sister said i want you to know what other witnesses are going through….so she sent me some links. She told me it was not to discourage me out of the truth, but to create some awareness…..with that qualifier i looked up her videos, and kept searching through other videos that came up, when i wondered about the look of this elderly man gesturing with his hands, that was my first Robert King Video I saw.

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