The spiritual paradise to come

//The spiritual paradise to come

Sunday, November 12

The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool.Isa. 66:1.

Besides referring to the earth, the term “footstool” is also employed figuratively in the Hebrew Scriptures to describe the ancient temple used by the Israelites. Located on the earth, the temple served as the center of true worship. For that reason, it was truly beautiful in Jehovah’s eyes and its very existence glorified the place for Jehovah’s feet. Today the center of true worship is no longer a literal temple on earth. There is, however, a spiritual temple, which glorifies Jehovah far more than any building. This is an arrangement that makes reconciliation with God possible by means of the priesthood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. It came into existence in 29 C.E. at Jesus’ baptism when Jesus was anointed as High Priest of Jehovah’s great spiritual temple.

The Watchtower has literally written volumes of commentary on the Bible books of prophecy. In recent years —not so much, which is also noteworthy. But if you boil it all down, so-to-speak, there is one overriding theme, the message being: Christ has come. The Kingdom reigns and all is well in spiritual paradise. To that end the article from which the Daily Text is taken is entitled, Work to Enhance the Spiritual Paradise.

The unacquainted may wonder, what is spiritual paradise? Actually, that is a very good question. It is a question that Jehovah’s Witnesses ought to consider themselves. But here is what the Watchtower says in regards to spiritual paradise:

The expression “spiritual paradise” has become a part of our theocratic vocabulary. It describes our unique, spiritually rich environment, or condition, which allows us to enjoy peace with God and with our brothers. Of course, we should not conclude that the terms “spiritual paradise” and “spiritual temple” are the same. The spiritual temple is God’s arrangement for true worship. The spiritual paradise serves to identify clearly those who have God’s approval and who are today serving him at his spiritual temple. 

What privilege do we have today in connection with the spiritual paradise? How exciting it is to know that since 1919, Jehovah has allowed imperfect humans to work with him in cultivating, strengthening, and expanding the spiritual paradise on earth! Do you see yourself playing a part in this marvelous work? Are you moved to continue working with Jehovah in glorifying ‘the place for his feet’?

According to the Watchtower the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses is the spiritual paradise and all of the ministry work done by Jehovah’s Witnesses may be thought of as cultivating and expanding the so-called paradise. And all those who are in the organization have God’s approval.

But where does the notion of a spiritual paradise come from? And is it modest or wise to assume that an entire religious body has God’s approval?

The exact phrase “spiritual paradise” is not found in the Bible. Like the paragraph above states, the expression has simply become part of the “theocratic language” of Jehovah’s Witnesses. But is there any scriptural basis for it?

Actually, there is.

The concept is conveyed in both the prophetic books of Isaiah and Ezekiel. For this article we will confine ourselves to Isaiah. Consider the 51st chapter of Isaiah, which contrasts a barren wilderness with the garden of Eden as the before and after conditions associated with the repatriation of the Jews to their homeland. 

The 35th chapter of Isaiah enlarges upon that analogy, the opening words of the prophecy stating: “The wilderness and the parched land will exult, and the desert plain will be joyful and blossom as the saffron. Without fail it will blossom; it will rejoice and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and of Sharon. They will see the glory of Jehovah, the splendor of our God.”

The prophets of Bethel realize that the prophecy of Isaiah applies to the coming of Christ. That is what is alluded to in the verse above. The glory of Jehovah will be seen when Jesus comes in the glory of his Father.

But there are major problems with the Watchtower’s interpretation —an insurmountable problem really. The repurchase of the spiritual sons of Zion comes after they are conquered and sold into captivity. Here’s the problem, though: The Watchtower claims that the sons of Zion were set free from Babylon the Great in 1919, but the destruction of antitypical Jerusalem, which obviously precedes their captivity and subsequent restoration, will find fulfillment in the future when Christendom is destroyed, along with all religions. No wonder the 13th chapter of Ezekiel condemns the stupid prophets who preside over God’s people.

Here is why Jehovah’s Witnesses should thoughtfully reconsider what spiritual paradise actually is and how it will come about; the closing verses of the 35th chapter of Isaiah  relate: “And a highway will be there, yes, a way called the Way of Holiness. The unclean one will not travel on it. It is reserved for the one walking on the way; no one foolish will stray onto it. No lion will be there, and no vicious wild beasts will come on it. They will not be found there; only the repurchased ones will walk there. Those redeemed by Jehovah will return and come to Zion with a joyful cry.”

Please notice that the conditions described could not possibly be brought about, or enhanced, by mere human efforts. In ancient times wild beasts, like lions and bears, or packs of wolves, were a constant danger to those traveling through remote, wilderness areas, such as the Jews undoubtedly encountered on the trek back to their desolate homeland. But God promised that those whom he repurchased from Babylon would walk on a highway of holiness, un-menaced by predators of any kind. That was the way it was in the garden of Eden originally, before Satan ruined it. 

Of course, in a spiritual sense we understand that the lions and vicious wild beasts are pictorial of dangerous people. That being true, God is indicating that the Way of Holiness will be devoid of wicked people. Now, is the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses really a spiritual paradise? 

The Watchtower says yes, claiming that wicked persons either reform their ways or they are expelled from the congregation; thus, spiritual paradise is maintained by a continual process of disfellowshipping tens of thousands Jehovah’s Witnesses who do not conform to the standard.

But, honestly, is that really what spiritual paradise is —at least what is described in the Bible? Please note the prophetic description again. It doesn’t say that unclean and foolish persons are removed from the roadway. It says none will be found there. Period. In other words, God will debar them from accompanying his approved people. In the paradise described in prophecy it will not be necessary for men to continually expel unsuitable persons from their company because there will not be any there to remove.

Besides that, the 11th chapter of Isaiah goes into even more detail on the conditions of spiritual paradise, describing peace between the wolf and the lamb –the goat and the leopard –the calf and the lion, saying: “They will not cause any harm or any ruin in all my holy mountain, because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters cover the sea.”

Think of it: in the spiritually blessed condition under the reign of Christ there will be no one causing harm or ruin to others. That certainly doesn’t apply to Jehovah’s Witnesses, does it? After all, disfellowshipping someone after they harm another does not undo the harm they have done, does it?

Mind you, this is a condition that comes about before the end of this wicked world. That is evident in the context.

Now consider the actual conditions among the congregations. If you are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses can you honestly say that persons have not been harmed by others in the congregations? Just consider this: At this present moment the Watchtower is paying a daily fine of $4,000 —day in and day out. Why? Because a court in San Diego has fined the Watchtower for their refusal to turn over records detailing the crimes of a sexual predator.

The reason the Watchtower refuses to be cooperative with the superior authorities whom Jehovah has placed in charge prior to the coming of Christ is because the Society’s lawyers do not want to set a legal precedent. They know that Bethel maintains a database of over 20,000 known sexual predators and releasing the files of one would open the flood gates and out would spill a flood of dirty secrets and the names of thousands of pedophiles who have preyed upon the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Sadly, of the 20,000+ sexual predators who have preyed upon the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses some of them have undoubtedly abused multiple victims. Can you get your mind around that? We could be talking 30,000, 40,000 victims –maybe many more considering that 20,000+ are only the known predators. No doubt the crimes of many other pedophiles have never come to the attention of the elders. 

Now, consider the ruined lives those numbers represent. How many abused children have destroyed themselves with drugs and alcohol to numb the pain? How many have become promiscuous or turned to prostitution? How many have committed suicide? Do you even care? More importantly, do you think God does?

It is no secret that child sex abuse results in lasting harm. It permanently damages a person in varying degrees, depending upon the severity of the abuse. But God says no one will be allowed to cause any harm or ruin in his holy domain. Is that just hyperbole? Or is it God’s honest promise?

If we believe what is stated, we have to ask: Is God really honored for creating a spiritual paradise where the lambs are devoured by cunning wolves? 

Please be honest. You owe it to yourself. There is no spiritual paradise among Jehovah’s Witnesses. Far from it. But that is not to imply there will never be such a thing. First, though, comes the desolation —then the repurchase. These are the things I have written about in considerable detail over the years.

To demonstrate the careless way in which the Watchtower has explained prophecy, Isaiah 11:4 states regarding the reign of the twig of Jesse: “He will judge the lowly with fairness, and with uprightness he will give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth and put the wicked to death with the breath of his lips.”

If you read the 11th chapter of Isaiah it should be apparent that the conditions of spiritual paradise are brought about as a result of the judgment of Christ. In other words, those who are lowly and meek are allowed entry onto the Way of Holiness. The wicked are disbarred from entry —sentenced to eventual death outside the Kingdom. And make no mistake, Christ striking the earth with the rod of his mouth commences with the judgment of the house of God. That is why Jesus told those in the Pergamum congregation to repent or else “If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war with them with the long sword of my mouth.”

While Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly enjoy a remarkable brotherhood in many respects, they are not in spiritual paradise —at least not the wonderful condition foretold in prophecy. It is most immodest to suppose that God has bestowed his approval upon the organization. No indeed. The congregational unity and fellowship that Jehovah’s Witnesses enjoy presently is not going to last. It is going to be shattered —soon. Only in the aftermath of the disaster will the eyes of the blind be opened, even as Isaiah foretells: “Say to those who are anxious at heart: ‘Be strong. Do not be afraid. Look! Your own God will come with vengeance, God will come with retribution. He will come and save you.’ At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. At that time the lame will leap like the deer, and the tongue of the speechless will shout for joy. For waters will burst forth in the wilderness, and streams in the desert plain.” —Isaiah 35:4-6

2017-11-19T05:28:46+00:00 November 12th, 2017|Commentary|164 Comments
  • Sandy

    disseminating the correct and incorrect application of scripture is endless – even before understanding the JW accelerated descent into wrong behavior .. I would listen and read the scripture used in the talk and look up the reference scripture and find that the meaning had been completely twisted. what is happening… I thought I had lost my ability to reason. Now the ability to reason has helped me see how Jehovah deals with people,, the organization.. and with those that are willing to stand up for truth = applying scripture correctly !!! Thanks for a great article.

    • Burt Reynolds

      That is so true!

  • trudy

    This is true I never felt spiritual paradise in there It was like living in the world and sometimes a lot worse as my guard was down ..as I thought I was safe .Come to me all you loaded down I will refresher you ..I was loaded even more .with there many books burden to the flesh and there unbiblical doctrine..What a waste of my time .. But lets hope more wake up …

    • Mick Hewitt

      ha ha Trudy you make me laugh “come ye who are loaded down” and you end up squashed.

      • trudy

        You know what I had a low paid jobs in pass which I hurt my back ,because I did not get further education for a skill as its the way in the mags we taught to book /mag , post to people and not do worldly skills (But watchtower sent a few people to get law education skills to stick up for Watchtower at he expense of the flock to go against the flock ..unbelievable .I know my best was never enough with all they wanted me to do ..it broke me mentally and financially .

        • Isaac of Coimbatore

          That is why I did my higher education opposite to Watch tower society’s policy. But did I loose my faith in Jehovah? No I can approach any people in field ministry. I can command my salary demand. Yeah that is what I did in Coimbatore yes I got the salary what I demanded. Had I not done my degree I could have not commanded my salary. If you cannot become a elder because you are a degree holder, then Jehovah should have not even selected Moses, and Daniel his prophet and Jesus should have not even selected Luke and apostle Paul. Isaiah:50:4-6 actually talks about Jesus Christ. Did Jehovah gave the tongue of illiterate ones? No! The Sovereign Lord Jehovah has given me the tongue of those taught (wise ones). Actually Jesus is highly educated than anyone in the universe and that is why humans cannot be compared with Jesus. Why because a doctor is not specialist in all the field of medical science. For example an ophthalmologist cannot treat an ENT problem and an gastroenterologist cannot handle Cardio problem. But see Jesus created the Universe and the whole biological system. If Jesus wants to just create the humans he should create the whole things so he himself is the cardiologist, neurologist, nephrologist, gastroenterologist,ophthalmologist, ENT, Dermatologist and so on then think of other things that Jesus created how much Jesus must have taken the knowledge from Jehovah to do all these things. So Jesus is the highly educated that is why when he came down to this earth he did not go to school because he already learned everything from Jehovah. So Jesus is having higher education so he is not eligible to be the head of the congregation as per WTS. HEE! HEE! HEE! How foolish is the Governing body to force its members not to go for higher education. The bible says that You know the truth and the truth will set you free. If higher dedication destroys the faith of Jehovah’s witnesses as per WTS then the WTS itself not taught the proper truth or GB is indirectly telling that Bible is not truth. HA! HA! HA! HEE! HEE! HEE!

          • Burt Reynolds

            It is interesting to note on your topic that one of the reasons, amongst so many, that watchtower is failing is that it works against itself in its policy. No education…..less income. Education……awaken, leaves, no money. So less money to suit their greed and meet the cost of inflation. So they have to depend on the preaching work but they are now that closing down, trapped by their own lies. Even their cover-up policy is going to bankrupt them in either fines or compensation. They are about to reap that which they have sown.

            • Isaac of Coimbatore

              That’s exactly right!!

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              I quit college and went into the full time ministry, and those were good years, meeting people and studying the Bible. Yes,I regret quiting college. I did not regret pioneering. There’s the rub.I was studying music and drafting. Sometimes you just have to go beyond the WTS and do what you have to do.. My husband,a jw, left me to raise teens alone so I went back to college. If it’s not in the Bible , I don’t go for it..including the WTS.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I very much admire your reasoning. If anyone has come out of the watchtower still retaining balance and sanity it is you. So many seem maddened and rightly distressed over lost life and deception, but you always seem so calm about it…..must be all that sailing you do! I never enjoyed being a witness , hated the ministry, loathed the complete control that the watchtower had over every corner of my life, despised being judged by the elders and being bent to do their will, belittled and snubbed by their seething pernicious self righteousness…..their favourite phrase being that we…..not them…..were worthless slaves, only doing what we aught to be doing. My whole life has been consumed by the watchtower or prior to that, the Church of England, and I have to work too hard in my old age in forgiving them. I want to go to bethel and punch the governing body on their collective nose….hard. Unfortunately, even revenge is not mine and so I think I really need to take up sailing and see if I can’t get some of that serenity you seem to have. You must have been a good pioneer….I can feel your dedication from here!

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              Br. Those are the kindest words, brother, Thank you…

            • The Raven

              Sounds like a monkey puzzle and they won’t let go of many things to free themselves. That would be to facilitate their demise. But…that’s inevitable.

          • trudy

            Amen praise Jehovah and Jesus .I kicked that watchtower out of my life false prophets . As they said they are the mediator between man and Jesus Jehovah …they are fake frogs speaking vomit

          • KB

            Many of the lawyers at the Watchtower organization have degrees from Harvard law school paid for by donations. In fact I’m sure all their lawyers are elders. It must be a cultural issue.

  • trudy

    I wondered where the Kingdom Halls name came from ..when they called it that ..was it this back when Jesus was around as if not that is why they call it spiritual paradise kingdom hall as if the paradise is here has come 1914 Jesus return ..What a mind control if I am right …I think it is more spiritual demonic parasites .

    • Mick Hewitt

      I look at Lamentations 2:15 and cannot help but feel it is a description of our poor bros and sis today how they are controlled into thinking they are in a spiritual paradise while onlookers laugh and shake their heads in bemusement. Thanks for all the hard work you bring to this site Trudy.

      • trudy

        Thanks Mick ..Yes the ones inside are watchtower witness not Jehovah wittiness you are that when you leave and get the truth because you decide to follow Jehovah and Jesus and you will be hated by brother father etc on the account of my name !! This is the scripture .

        • Burt Reynolds

          Actually Trudy, if I understand you correctly, most in the watchtower are ‘witnesses’ as much as we assume we are. And those that are not, still have time to repent their ways. It is important to separate out from this situation, the evil intent of some…..and we don’t know who these are….and the righteous intent of others who are misguided. There are evil people, there are good people and we cannot mix the two into one. Rather we have to accept that we continue to treat all people as we would want for ourselves. We may presume upon ourselves to be better informed, but that is not the point. Either here or in the watchtower, it is not knowledge that is the standard of survival, but heart condition. It is our heart condition that will eventually lead us to make the right step at the right time. Have you ever considered how a person born deaf and blind, thinks and reasons without an internal language? How would you or I make a simple shopping list without ever having seen a carrot, or heard the word for a carrot. Think of the void there is in trying to explain what you want and need. So it is for the deaf and blind witnesses and a great many others searching for truth. They know what they want but have not any idea how to express it. That is why Jehovah looks to the heart. What does open up language to a deaf and blind person is touch -and with which skill, ‘externalised’ thought processes can be formed and which gives voice and understanding to a deaf blind person. A deaf blind person can actually think through their fingers. Likewise, Jehovah touches the heart to provide communication in a manner that we can understand and even though no matter how well we listen, it will also be followed by a kick ….or two….up the backside.

          • trudy

            That watchtower made me ill with smaller groups carrying out the commands of the higher ranks .I was not happy about the beard law and they broke me to belive something I did not belive .. it was believing there laws and not the bible .They have gone away from the bible ..Few weeks two jws said you coming back …I said why I would not not but what is there in there a TVs sceen with there lies and they are apostates because they are not following the bible .. to me it’s just another Babylon religion with another iron rod .This shunning is really hard to crack and they are controlled to carry out all commands of the higher ranks because they don’t want anyone knowing the truth …

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, I agree with all that you say and yes, you do go after helping others. It is not for me to say what to do -I’m sorry if I gave that impression- I don’t want to offer any criticism. My point is simply that not all witnesses are corrupt, but that many are good hearted, yet for one reason or another, are ‘lost’ as to what to do about it.

            • trudy

              Yes I agree with that ..the thing is they think as someone said the watchtower is JEOHAVH ..
              This is the golden calf and the devil has done his crafty thing ..only true hearted ones will wake up and I am afraid most are walking dead zombies ..they have nothing in there eyes ..I notice this a lot when I was in there …..and nothing we can do ..they will take the sins of her way …they think it is clean the org and anyone who reads scriptures are man idea ..how weird is that …I had that said to me the other day when I show scriptures to a jw .He said I read a watchtower

            • Mick Hewitt

              They seem to be asleep, having made a covenant with death. No need to research, no need to exercise the decision making, just hand it all over to the idol w/t. I know I was just like them. When I woke up ..wah! wah! I cried wheres my idol to cling to? We don’t mean to upset anyone here do we? We see the big picture getting bigger, bigger. Any way back later.

            • trudy

              Well today I was called Evil as the jw did not believe about the Denmark place was watchtowers the climax book or the dates and child abuse …he blocked me he was from France ..That’s what I am up against ..But my mate said he feels at peace as do I ..

          • Cathii D’Anthonii

            Yes, pray for our brothers and sister s,like the apostles who were scattered after Christ died…..our while association of brothers. Jehovah will take care of the weeds.

      • trudy

        One other thing I will add that when I was preaching for watchtower , I was always defending there lies of false dates and coving it up by saying they made mistakes ..I now know they are all lies not mistakes as they are not admitting a mistake they are just coving the lies with more lies .

        • Cathii D’Anthonii

          Bro.King,the montage was awesome..Did you write the words,or arrange it?You have expressed a desire to produce music before. .I personally cannot wait to hear the real music to Moses song of victory to Jehovah.

        • Cathii D’Anthonii

          Alot of people learned the truth through the Watchtower, myself included. It is also up to us individually to “test every inspired expression” – John.
          Jehovah doesn’t want anyone to loose their life….Br. King has expressed a goal to have one person in every Cong. To be enlightened and help our brothers and sisters when it all falls apart…I pray that all our spiritual family sides with Jehovah when the time comes…

          • Burt Reynolds

            Absolutely right! With the watchtower crumbling before our eyes and the unavoidable exposure of its wrongdoing, it is easy to overlook what it is and the righteous people within it whose only crime is to be disabled…..blind. Would we treat a blind person struggling to cross the road in the same way? There has to be a point in our understanding when we cease to mourn over our treatment of the watchtower as an organisation and to turn our lifeboat around and row back to the sinking ship to rescue those floundering in the water, ignoring our own hurt. Because not long ago, we were those people.

            If we look at it through Jehovah’s stated view of ourselves, even though we may feel enlightened, the comparison between our efforts and of those in the watchtower is very, very narrow indeed, if even worthy of any notice by Jehovah. If our efforts were significantly better in terms of our behaviour towards other brothers, surely the bible would make that exception, but it does not. We are all as bad as each other in comparison to what we should be and we stand alone in our judgement from Jehovah.

            • The Raven

              That was a great comment Burt. I pray Jehovah blesses our efforts when the time comes as well.

          • trudy

            I am leaning the truth now …. not when I was in the Kingdom Hall it was lies .I was not in the truth as they like to call it .. It did not feel right with there iron rods …
            And now they just put scriptures on to sceen so you can’t see the scriptures before or after inI context ..what they said as they train you away from the bible … Causing more stumbling ..

    • Burt Reynolds

      If I recall correctly, Kingdom Halls in the time of Christ were called rooms, or homes, or city gates, or wherever people gathered. There is and never was, a need for people to buy a place of worship. And judging by the photographs I have seen of near empty halls, even less need now. Look at our congregation, dispersed over the globe from India to Russia to OZ to South America. I have done more gathering together in my iPad than I have ever done of worth in a Kingdom Hall.

  • trudy

    Oh another point that my friend made ,as we were discussion the paradise in today post ..Jesus was offered the kingdoms of the world …and the watchtower is one of the kingdoms ( kingdom halls full of lies run by the Devil ..)
    Go preach the good news of the kingdom ….not to build the kingdom now ….!!!!

  • Max

    Beautiful article… I’ll pass it on to the friends.

  • Leonard k

    https://youtu.be/pFenEJyxCsA

    Isaiah 11:6-9

    The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb,+

    And with the young goat the leopard will lie down,

    And the calf and the lion* and the fattened animal will all be together;*+

    And a little boy will lead them.

    7 The cow and the bear will feed together,

    And their young will lie down together.

    The lion will eat straw like the bull.+

    8 The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra,

    And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake.

    9 They will not cause any harm+

    Or any ruin in all my holy mountain,+

    Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah

    As the waters cover the sea.+

    Revelation 21:3, 4
    3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.+ 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes,+ and death will be no more,+ neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.+ The former things have passed away.”

    • Burt Reynolds

      Lovely scriptures. I particularly like the phrase that the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters cover the sea. I simply cannot understand those who even now in this age look upon creation and call it evolution. Can we even begin to imagine the strength of a whale that can lift its 200 ton body out of the sea as shown in your clip, and then the ape helping its baby hang on to a branch and then dozens of baby turtles racing for life? Truely creation speaks for itself in praise of Jehovah.

      • Leonard k

        it is amazing isn’t it. we can clearly see jehovahs creation all around us and just emagine what wonders jehovah will reveal to us when the new scrolls in edition to the bible are opened to the world

        Revelation 5:9
        And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

        Revelation 20:12
        And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

        Luke 4:17
        So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:

        Jeremiah 36:28
        “Take another scroll and write on it all the same words that were on the first scroll, which King Je·hoiʹa·kim of Judah burned up.

        Revelation 22:18
        “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;

        Revelation 22:19
        and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll.

        • Burt Reynolds

          It’s true, we easily forget the new scrolls yet to be opened. It is like a dream, the human potential and the union with Jehovah . When we look at the laws pertaining to creation, we get a small insight into the awesome wonders that are Jehovah. I find the Space and Time discussions on your PBS channel fantastic…..have a look at the lecture on absolute vacuum and positive and negative energy and the creation of the universe ( and if you can understand it all let me know because all I could get to grips with were the pictures!) One gets a tiny glimpse of the Law Maker! Ever so faith strengthening…..you just find yourself waiting for the lecturer to bring God into the equation, but of course, he never does, but you can see his submission to a greater authority!

  • Leonard k

    Ezekiel 34:25
    25 “‘“And I will make a covenant of peace with them, and I will rid the land of vicious wild beasts, so that they may dwell securely in the wilderness and sleep in the forests.

    Nature Paradise https://youtu.be/fO-lLbCrfbc

  • “environment, or condition, which allows us to enjoy peace with God and with our brothers”

    and there you have it. and what is the environment or condition among Jehovah’s witnesses? is it only good?
    Ezekiel ch8

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wmYT79tPvLg

    • The Raven

      That song fits perfectly! 😮

  • tequila

    As you can see from title illuminati bloodlines. I thought so what? Astors, Rockefeller, Rothschild and some I didn’t know. Have a look at number 12 in view of the assembly halls debacle
    http://yournewswire.com/illuminati-bloodlines-rule-world/

    • The Raven

      This is right up there with Sorcha Faal. Loaded with presumptions and false information as well as some blatant omissions on that list and NO evidence.

      https://toinformistoinfluence.com/2017/01/29/mother-churns-out-stories-for-master-of-fake-news/
      Adl-Tabatabai made his first appearance in the mainstream media in 2014, featuring in articles as one of the first gay men to marry in the UK. He now operates out of a luxury apartment block overlooking a golf course in his husband’s home town of Los Angeles.
      Sean Adl-Tabatabai, 35, runs YourNewsWire.com, the source of scores of dubious news stories, including claims that the Queen had threatened to abdicate if the UK voted against Brexit. The story was shared more than 23,000 times on Facebook.

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1101225/pg1

      This non-news was not produced by our old friend Sorcha Faal. but rather a new fabulist writing under the handle “Baxter Dmitry.”

      https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/07/15/taken-baxter-dmitry-article/

      I have taken down the Baxter Dmitry article. Apparently, he is one of these people who like to make practical jokes out of serious matters. PCR

      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/YourNewsWire

      Carol Adl (the mother of Sean Adl-Tabatabai according to UK-based marketing magazine The Drum),[4] Edmundo Burr and Baxter Dmitry (who once stole the photo of a Latvian computer programmer[5]) are the website’s ‘staff writers’.[3]

      • Burt Reynolds

        I have come up with solution for this fake news problem. All news is fake until proven true. I picked it up from some notable country’s legal systems where it seems all people are guilty until proven innocent.

        • The Raven

          Most of these jokers do this for ad revenues. It’s nothing but click bait.

    • Burt Reynolds

      I like the way they all got their mums to make them their skull and cross bone outfits for their Halloween party. They are all big softies at heart.

  • Leonard k

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5ecda8e1638329cf6e8a69d45b846d2c876896f621525cdee19bca94eff5e32.jpg
    Matthew 7:11
    Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him!

    Luke 11:13
    Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!”

  • The Raven

    “There is no spiritual paradise among Jehovah’s Witnesses. Far from it. But that is not to imply there will never be such a thing. First, though, comes the desolation —then the repurchase. These are the things I have written about in considerable detail over the years.”

    Thank you for that reminder. Very timely essay. It helps to know this will not go on for much longer.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Have you noticed, or anyone for that matter, the sudden growth of problems and exposure for the watchtower? It seems to have accelerated over the past few months to a more or less daily occurrence of unseemly goings on. I find one site emanating from New Mexico as particularly ‘explicit’ in exposure of such. It even republishes some of Robert’s work, and increasingly so. Somehow, I feel the eventual collapse of watchtower will reveal far more wrongdoing in their behalf than we have even dreamed of in our worst nightmares.

      • Sharon

        there is nothing hidden that willnot be revealed

      • The Raven

        I agree. Who knows what they’ve been hiding?

  • trudy

    My look on it ..Is remember David and Goliath ,who went down and remember the trumpets around the wall of JERICHO that made iit collapse .◄ Joshua 6:20 ► New International Version
    When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city
    I think that the ones out side are shouting now and many make a big sound to cause a crumbling of the Watchtower . ..

    • Mick Hewitt

      They deployed water jets sprinkle system against the protesters….. No show of love at all. Isn’t it good at last to be able to freely discuss the bible like this? To get really great deep thought out replies that leave you pondering for days! I’m still rolling over a thought Burt brought out over a week ago!

      • trudy

        Yes the world has seen there dirty ways and so has Jehovah and one of these was raped and df for being raped now they put water over her .

        • Mick Hewitt

          They take from you what belongs to Jehovah. A persons worship, conscience and equally abusive..someones innocence.

      • trudy

        Yes this is how it should be done thinking for our selfs .Not controlled .
        That is what jesue did excample of the woman at the well .

      • Burt Reynolds

        Mick! That was Holy Water they were spraying on the protesters, straight out of their lake. I thought it was a very loving provision, and clearly an act of kindness to give them a drink of water, wash their clothes and feet and to wash the dust off their sandals after their long journey. I can’t say it’s the water of life, being contaminated with heavy metals, but from their own need, they shared lovingly.

        • Mick Hewitt

          You’ve heard of a glass bottom boat.?.Well theirs is a glass bottom lake.They wanted to save on light bill.

  • JTK

    “spiritual Paradise” is that not simply paradise? when the EARTH becomes filled with the knowlegde of Jehovah? and all mankind abide by his laws
    . can “spiritual Paradise” possibly exist until the kingdom of the world becomes the Kingdom of Christ and Satan is abyssed?
    If Christ has not returned and theF&D slave have not been empowered then anyone or anything who suggests that they are the sole organisation proclaiming that they are the temple of Jehovah should be viewed with caution

    • No. The spiritual paradise is not simply paradise. Spiritual paradise is formed first. Basically, it is the creation of the great crowd who survive the tribulation. The earth will not be a paradise after the war of Armageddon. It will be a wreck. Dead bodies from one end of the earth to the other. But those who are saved will begin the work of restoring paradise, which will take some years, if not centuries.

      • Cathii D’Anthonii

        Do you think Jehovah would help clean up the earth with Some sort of fusion or other atomic reaction to clean up the earth such as he used with Elijah on Mt Carmel?

        • Burt Reynolds

          I would imagine Jehovah would clean the earth with some powerful bleach from Walmart, on offer at two for the price of one, longer lasting and kills 99.9% of all known germs or his money back. I am sure there will be many Tribulation offers available to us all. I have never known retail not take advantage of any situation….even the murder of Christ!

          • The Raven

            I would suggest polishing up our recycling and salvage skills and oh…how well do you know how to use a Georgia credit card? That skill will come in very handy for a few years to start. I’ve had to do that a few times myself. Lol!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Sounds like an idea. Still, as the bible says, the birds of the air will feast on the dead and clear them up…..I just hope they do so before they reach their eat-by date. I expect the rats will be a big as cats too, as they were in the Great War. Bone makes good fertiliser but there won’t be so much of that in political circles due to a lack of backbone. I really don’t know how the clean up will be accomplished, but the issues of disease will have to have some godly intervention. I just hope I will be there to see that intervention.

            • The Raven

              Amen!

        • Sharon

          what ever happened to peters thought,i saw a new heavens,and a new earth,and in these righteousness is to dwell

        • thats a easy question. sodom and gomorrah

        • Island Breeze

          I certainly hope so!

        • Leonard k

          jehovah is wonderess i have faith in that however he will do these things he will marvel the world by means of his holy spirit,

      • JTK

        dead bodies all over the earth! wow! not what i envisaged at all, but i suppose thats the reality and aftermath of warfare. it just seems a little hard to accept that all who survive the end of this system having came through the GT now have to start burying dead bodies and cleaning up the earth from the carnage that man has wrought with his industry.
        the 1000years sound like hard labor for the great crowd or so it would seem without supernatural assistance.
        also we will still need industry in the form of power and machinery sewage treatment etc that were part of the industrial mechanized system that we created to enable the human race to function. unless we are given superior technology
        in the letter of Hebrews we are told of the earth being like a worn out Garment and how Christ will change that garment, this surely is a physical application is it not?
        Hebrews 1:10-12

        • This is what Jehovah of armies says: ‘Look! A calamity is spreading from nation to nation, and a great tempest will be unleashed from the remotest parts of the earth. And those slain by Jehovah in that day will be from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be mourned, nor will they be gathered up or buried. They will become like manure on the surface of the ground.’

          • JTK

            well i can now see the advantages of being a Son of God living as a spirit person in heaven .
            Can any human live in such conditions and flourish. its sounds like a horror story!

            • The Raven

              Not a horror story. It is salvation and a new world under a righteous ruler. And the dead return. We all have folks we want to see live again.

            • JTK

              the earth strewn with dead bodies think about that for a moment, yes, I want what you want, Gods kingdom a righteous new earth to see my loved ones again its where my hope through Christ is fulfilled.
              I once read an article by Robert “imagining paradise” it was inspiring, truly wonderful to contemplate what he spoke about. I just had not factored in the aftermath of Armageddon or that the earth would be literally covered with rotting corpses.
              have you ever seen and smelt what mass of dead bodies actually is? the vision fills your mind the smell violates your very self and although it fades with time it never leaves you.

            • Island Breeze

              And wouldn’t Disease be rampant? And what about seeing babies and little children , wouldn’t that just make you want to die yourself? The vision is unimaginable…………..

            • The Raven

              Hi Joseph! It is a horrible vision, no doubt. But what do we have right now? The same thing with no mitigation, no recourse and no justice. The thought of knowing this is Jehovah’s will and Christ and the armies of heaven have exacted judgment in the end sets the matter. They will not be mourned. I thought about that long and hard. Scripture plainly tells us just how bad they will become even killing a number of us as well as all the anointed. Take heart even though humanity has never seen an extermination of this sort, we should remember that our deliverance means the destruction of everything and everyone who opposes Jehovah and the Christ.

            • Cathii D’Anthonii

              But the rest of the menwho were not killed by these plagues did repent of the works of their hands,, so they should not worship the demons and the idolsof gold and silver and copper and stone and wood….. .and they did not repent of their murders nor of their spiritistic practices nor their fortification nor their thefts. Rev.9:21

            • The Raven

              Very true. They will have made their choices and sealed their fates by then.

              Looks like you left one word out. Not. Might want to edit that.
              Rev 9:20-21
              20 But the rest of the people who were not killed by these plagues did not repent of the works of their hands; they did not stop worshipping the demons and the idols of gold and silver and copper and stone and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.+ 21 And they did not repent of their murders nor of their spiritistic practices nor of their sexual immorality* nor of their thefts.

            • Arvid Fløysand

              The whole Egyptian army was washed away by the red sea and just cleaned out of exsistanse so to speak…and when Jesus himself said that it will be like in Noahs days and when Sodom and Gomorra was destroyed…
              I personally imagine that when Noah and his family went out of the ark on mount Ararat,there was no dead corpses laying around…i guess all human and animal corpses where more than less swept down in the walleys and alot of them buryed by mud from the flood.
              And Sodom and Gomorra and the tree other citys that burned to ashes while they were at sleep in the middle of the night…totally consumed by fire…
              In both accounts mentioned by Jesus ,i imagine that those who where saved did not have to see any corpses …
              The sad thing thou…many died in the flood…many died in Sodom and Gomorra…and many will die in Armageddon…

              I wish nobody should have to die…i wish every single human could turn their back on the devil,the enemy of rightiousness…death is our enemy…and one day death as the last enemy will be taken away (Revelation 20:14)

              Look at my avatar…3 times i saved that little lamb that you see by my chest..
              first when it was newborn…i found it abounded by its own mother..left to die.
              Second time only 3 months old it broke one of its leg totally of…but i managed to fix it …ore to be more correct…the way our Creator has made all living creatures made it possible to mend the broken leg..
              And the third time i walked for ours in heavy cold rainstorm one day that little lamb was lost…when i found it ..it was very weak and i had to carry it home thru a flooded river and took it inside my own house to nurse and care for it…
              From the day it was newborn and for 5 months i gave that little lamb spesial milk from a bottle many times per day…
              If an animal is worth all this…how much more a human?
              If a human care this much…how much more do Jehovah?

              I know the devil does his best in “painting” a picture of Jehovah as an unloving grusome God…
              But we know better…Jesus was and is the most loving and caring person we can think of…and he is the exsact image of Jehovah…so there we have it..than Jehovah is also the most loving and caring 🙂
              We are his lambs…may the holy spirit be with you my brother…and anyone else who may read this 🙂

            • The Raven

              Wonderful post Arvid. I don’t think anyone here wishes to see people die either and many will die at the beginning of tribulation through war, famine and pestilence, one quarter of mankind so we will of course have already been exposed to death on a large scale well before Armageddon occurs. I do not think it shows Jehovah to be unloving but He did say that the dead would litter the earth after Armageddon and the birds would feast on them. Not our speculation but scripture describes this in numerous places . Even so, I would like to believe that this period will be short and we will be able to deal with it. If the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple are any indication of what’s to come it is not going to be easy. It is faith alone which will get us through. It was you who reminded me of that during a question about the thirds being discussed as to how many are saved or killed and I have not forgotten it. Thank you. 🙂

            • Bklyn Kevin

              For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven
              And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout,
              Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
              So my word that goes out of my mouth will be.
              It will not return to me without results,
              But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight,
              And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.
              Read more> Isaiah 55:10-11.
              55:https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/55/#v23055010

            • Arvid Fløysand

              When we look at the desruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians and later by the Romans…it is interesting that in both cases…those who were loyal to Jehovah`s warning of the destructions,was already left and in a long distance from the total massacre…they where told about it later on when it was over…and when it comes to the GT and Armageddon…i belive our loving Father will once again spare his loyal ones from those “pictures” …we have already seen too much of horror in this “prison” we are in right now…the accuser/Devil keeps us in the “prison” that he is the ruler of…this evil world…
              The GT and Armageddon is when Jehovah and Jesus with all the holy angels are coming to destroy the “prison” and set us free….for the moment we are set free in our minds…but when Jehovah and Jesus with the glorious armies of heaven arrive then is when we are told to “go into your chambers my people”….just like Rahab and all her family and friend where safe hiding in her house until all the horror was over with…and then they was led out of that destroyed city of Jerico .

              I firmly belive that Jehovah and Jesus is the opposit of Satan….In this world ,humans have been exposed to the most horrific seenes for thousands of years…death and torture seems to be the fingerprint of the Devil and his world…
              This belongs to those things that we are going to be set free from …death and pain and all evil will be no more…
              So why would Jehovah exspose his loyal and chosen ones to a sene of horror 1000 times worse than the Devil has ever been able to create?

              Nothing is impossible fot Jehovah…if He likes to…He can turn every dead body into beautyful flowers in a second….imagine instead of the whole world covered of dead rotting corpses….flowers of all kinds smelling good …soon my friend 🙂

            • The Raven

              I know the scripture you speak of about hiding in the inner rooms can be applied to during Armageddon, but what of the start of tribulation? That is a man made demonically driven war. That occurs at the time Jehovah hides from us and we are still in the world. In fact those who die during this period, including many non believers will go to the common grave, not Gehenna. I want to believe we will be spared but…scripture is pretty clear on certain matters. The WT teaches that believers will not have to go through any of this. They will simply be spectators of these events and I see no scriptural evidence for that. I certainly do not want to make this look worse than it will be, if that’s even possible, but I sure wouldn’t want to sugar coat it either and let folks think it won’t be horrible. Even the chosen ones and some of us will be imprisoned, tortured and they will eventually all be slaughtered. As the first Christians were also tested and tried some til death, should we expect any less? No one wants to suffer, Arvid. I surely do not but I am no better or worse than anyone else in this earth and scripture proves out in many ways what’s to come upon all humanity. Starting with His house. I know Jehovah saves and all those who accept Christ will be saved even if they must die but these things must happen. They have been prophesied for millenniums. I will always hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

              Ezekiel 39: 11-29
              11 “‘On that day I will give Gog+ a burial place there in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the sea, and it will block the path of those passing through. That is where they will bury Gog and all his hordes, and they will call it the Valley of Hamon-Gog.*+ 12 The house of Israel will spend seven months burying them in order to cleanse the land.+ 13 All the people of the land will work at burying them, and this will bring them fame in the day that I glorify myself,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
              14 “‘Men will be assigned to pass through the land constantly and bury the bodies left remaining on the surface of the earth, in order to cleanse it. They will continue the search for seven months. 15 When those who pass through the land see a human bone, they will set up a marker beside it. Then those assigned to do the burying will bury it in the Valley of Hamon-Gog.+ 16 And there will also be a city there named Ha·moʹnah.* And they will cleanse the land.’+
              17 “As for you, son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Say to every sort of bird and to all the wild beasts of the field, “Gather yourselves together and come. Gather all around my sacrifice that I am preparing for you, a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel.+ You will eat flesh and drink blood.+ 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty ones and drink the blood of the chieftains of the earth—the rams, lambs, goats, and bulls—all the fattened animals of Baʹshan. 19 You will gorge yourselves on fat and drink blood until you are drunk from the sacrifice that I prepare for you.”’
              20 “‘At my table you will be filled up with horses and charioteers, mighty ones and all sorts of warriors,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
              21 “‘I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the judgment that I have executed and the power* that I have demonstrated among them.+ 22 From that day on the house of Israel will have to know that I am Jehovah their God. 23 And the nations will have to know that the house of Israel went into exile because of their own error, because they were unfaithful to me.+ So I hid my face from them+ and handed them over to their enemies,+ and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their transgressions, and I hid my face from them.’
              25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I will restore the captives of Jacob+ and have mercy on the whole house of Israel;+ and I will zealously defend* my holy name.+ 26 After they have been humiliated for all their unfaithfulness toward me,+ they will dwell securely on their land, with no one to make them afraid.+ 27 When I bring them back from the peoples and collect them together from the lands of their enemies,+ I will also sanctify myself among them before the eyes of many nations.’+
              28 “‘They will have to know that I am Jehovah their God when I send them into exile among the nations and then gather them back to their land, not leaving any of them behind.+ 29 I will not hide my face from them any longer,+ for I will pour out my spirit on the house of Israel,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Unfortunately many of the watchtowers followers truly believe that the great tribulations which is a separate incident from Armageddon is going to be a walk in the park .

            • Arvid Fløysand

              The inner hiding rooms has alwayes been there 🙂
              We are not only in flesh…all humans are created with both flesh and spirit..
              The inner rooms are in the spirit..
              Stephanus who was stoned to death saw beond the pain and death…
              Yes…it will be destructions…but there is also going to be protection in the spirit…our spirit and mind is connected…if you wanna protect your mind from damage…then live in the spirit that is joined together with the Holy spirit…by prayer and by seeking Jehovah…:-)

            • The Raven

              That’s an interesting perspective. Even though we will be put through some horrendous things and some of us will die, the helper, the Holy Spirit will be there for us to endure til the end. I can agree with that as scripture agrees with that reasoning too as does concerning seeking Jehovah and praying as well. It doesn’t make the tribulation any less terrible as we know but…faith in Jehovah and Christ will deliver us. I can’t wait for this mess to be over with 🙂

            • Bklyn Kevin

              But when they are made to stumble, they will be given a little help; and many will join with them by means of smooth speech.Daniel 11:34 Read more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/daniel/11/#v27011034

            • The Raven

              Thanks, Kevin. That entire chapter of Daniel is a marvel, it’s packed full of prophecy relating to the end. It’s a must for understanding Revelation as well.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Is it ‘spirit’ or is spirit life? Are they differing commodities? Adam was created as a body and then, Jehovah breathed life in to him to make him a living body. The scripture does not split between spirit and life, indeed, if they were two entities, how would we die and know nothing? It appears from the scripture that ‘life in itself’ does not exist except Jehovah gives it. He has not given this independence to man, nor it seems will he, but he does give it to the annointed in heaven and has given it to Jesus. It seems that the mechanics of our body either use or translate life to form a conscious awareness of the attributes of Jehovah that may indeed be seen as ‘spiritual’. Whether we have a spirit is debatable. A spiritual awareness is a different issue.

              Some point at Jehovah and say he is a God of slaughter and war, from all the deaths that he has delivered on his opposers. But this arguement fails if our life forces belong not to us, but to him and when these opposers cease to exist, ( and us…everyone, good or bad) it is because Jehovah has withdrawn his life energy from them….taken back his gift, taken back what he lent to them to use as they will. Our life is a lending of his spirit force or entity.

              Therefore do we possess a ‘spirit’ or a consciousness of what is right? ‘Let us make man in our image!’ I recall the kingdom song, ‘fear not those that kill the body, but cannot destroy the soul’…..Well, we have to ask ourselves, what is the soul? If the soul cannot be destroyed what is it? When Jesus died, his last words were; ‘it has been accomplished.’ And then he ceased to exist. Perhaps this indicates that the soul that cannot be destroyed, is the life that is cut off in its perfect state, and as such, it cannot be made imperfect because the finished article has been given and is not capable of more, neither betterment or detraction. Rather, It is presented as an accomplishment of Jehovah’s will. We can only do the same when we add our imperfect intent to serve Jehovah, to the perfect ransom of Jesus, through his merciful provision. Perhaps this is the equation of the spirit. Perhaps the inner rooms are as the scripture suggest in Romans 7-15/20 ‘I do not understand what I do, for what I want to do, I do not do, but what I hate to do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.’ So do we carry a spirit that is more spiritual than ourselves and our capabilities, or is it faith that we can rest assured in and have hope, peace and contentment that can see us through these times?

            • Mick Hewitt

              This is intriguing …mmm…I’ll certainly go for the peace and contentment that can see us through these time….and a good helping of spirit (in all it’s machinations when time needs it. Thank you for sharing that.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello Mick, you can always contact me on face book on Groke Goddard which includes messenger. Always happy to get to know you more. 😀

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Hi Burt 🙂
              I had Pauls first letter to the Corinthians in mind…it goes like this :”It is sown a physical body;it is raised up a spiritual body.If there is a physical body,there is also a spiritual one.So it is written:”The first man Adam became a living person”. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
              However what is spiritual is not first.
              What is physical is first,and afterward what is spiritual.
              The first man is from the earth and made of dust,the second man is from the heaven.
              Like the one made of dust,so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one,so too are those who are heavenly.
              And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust,we will bear also the image of the heavenly one. (1Cor. 15:44-49)

            • Burt Reynolds

              Makes sense to me!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              More food for thought.

              For Jehovah will rise up as at Mount Pe·raʹzim;
              He will rouse himself as in the valley near Gibʹe·on,
              That he may do his deed—his strange deed—
              And that he may carry out his work—his unusual work.
              Now do not scoff,
              So that your bonds may not be further tightened,
              For I have heard from the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies,
              That an extermination has been determined for all the land.
              Isaiah 28:21-22.Read more> https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/28/#v23028021
              THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (2013 REVISION)

              Only Terror Will Make Them Understand.
              Excerpt:
              Truly, no mere mortal can reason with any within the leadership of Bethel as regards their error. They are above all that. “Only terror will make them understand.”Read more>

            • Arvid Fløysand

              Shalom 🙂

            • Leonard k

              Revelation 5:9
              And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

              Revelation 20:12
              And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

              Luke 4:17
              So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:

              Jeremiah 36:28
              “Take another scroll and write on it all the same words that were on the first scroll, which King Je·hoiʹa·kim of Judah burned up.

              Revelation 22:18
              “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;

              Revelation 22:19
              and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Well over and again, the destruction of jehovah has been left as evidence to serve as a warning. Jehovah does not change. What you say is true.

            • The Raven

              Good point. Ruins speak louder than words.

            • Island Breeze

              Thanks my brother for that heart warming story, I needed that!

            • The Raven

              I know that smell. You never forget it. But it’s a big earth and that won’t last long. There is a comfort in knowing this is temporary. I have that article bookmarked. It’s wonderful and I can’t wait to get there!

          • JTK

            Robert is the scripture you quoted actually refering to the war of Armaggedon? or the final war after the 1000 years are ended and satan is released and the nations join him and surround Gods people? rev 20:7,8

          • call me a sick dewd but i’ll be very glad to see it

            • The Raven

              Nothing sick about it DA. It’s Jehovah’s will and many of us will be glad of it too. This whole evil system and those who defied God Himself…gone.

        • The Raven

          We will have to rethink everything we have done in industry and energy. We cannot have the same mindset and do the same things we did to wind up with the mess we have. No more power plants and oil production like we have which have polluted the earth and destroyed people’s health. This system was made to serve our overlords and the devil, not us or God. Freedom. Think about that for a second or two. The spoils of war go to the victor. Think about that too. With the wicked dead and the earth inhabited by only those who Know Jehovah and Christ we can do anything. Our minds will also be healed as will our bodies and spirits. Who knows what we can accomplish once the veils are removed and Christ rules? I am looking forward to having a part in all this and work never scared me. But this time, it won’t be to enrich someone else. We won’t build and someone else live there. We won’t plant and someone else eat. What would you build if you had a thousand years? Can you even imagine what those who passed before us knew which governments and greedy corporations never permitted the public to know so they could maintain control over us?
          Christ said he would make things new. We also know that we will have a hand in doing this work and I for one can’t wait.

          • JTK

            true Raven all who believe in Christ, his sacrificial death, his resurrection, his promises, all yearn for the things not yet seen and we also recognise the devils work on this earth that he hijacked so long ago
            But I believe mankind are victims not criminals, when God threw us out of the garden and the curse was given the world that we live in today was inevitable, Satan was given the right to lead mankind wherever he wished and he leads mankind into rebellion against God.
            The new world with Satan sent to the prison for 1000 years when the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah will not be the same old, same old for sure.
            But to believe that it will be a demo/construction process without heavenly assistance seems to me be missing the point of Gods kingdom ruling over mankind .
            the WT with its building of kingdom halls etc are the ones who are pushing a building programme without The power of Gods kingdom
            I would also say this that just because someone like myself questions what is being said that does not make me any less a believer in Christ and Gods promises than you or anyone here,
            that is a JW trait and a Pharisee type one, that Christ condemned them for

            • The Raven

              I never said we would do this alone. Lol! Scripture makes clear there will be divine guidance and Christ and his brothers to help us. We’re going to need it. I am not aware of how the wto sees this. I came to this understanding from the bible not them. Needless to say I was at odds with them about much. Well…just about all of prophecy. Lol! So, you needn’t worry about that. I was never baptized because of it many years ago. I don’t see us as victims entirely but I do understand where you’re coming from. What if the angel had never lied? But we know he did and we know man accepted it and continue to do so and justify it. JT, at this point I am more concerned with what we face than I am trying to understand what makes folks do what they do. I must accept that evil exists though I don’t understand and leave it at that. Jehovah promised a redeemer and a new kingdom. Christ is He. That’s what I hope to see. If we can get there, the rest IMO is easy. 🙂

    • Burt Reynolds

      I have long thought that a spiritual paradise is not something where people abide by rules with insight, but they are in fact, imbued with the sense of being that pertains to those standards. In other words, the standards would not be part of physical regulation, as they seem to think, but of entity and consciousness. The only equivalent I can think of that may illustrate the point is that of Adam and Eve being unaware of their nakedness. In other words, there was no sense of anything unnatural. Likewise with a fully equipped spirit. I would think paradise is first a state of existence, a sense of what happens, than the tangible entity we envisage today, spiritually or physically. The watchtower look at it very simplistically, like one of their cartoons. In fact, Warner Bros could describe it better with their ‘Loony Toons’. The watchtower terminology of a spiritual paradise speaks more of parasite than it does of paradise. It is a concoction of deceit and intrigue, a glamorous facade of conceited thinking and buildings. Even I, in my utter blindness could see no paradise with all the mean spirited elders and haughty businessmen in our congregation…people who were comfortably off telling others to go without as if they too suffered penury!

      I take your point about false claims today. No it does not exist at this time in any shape or form, but if it did, then it is certainly more than the watchtower claim it to be. Their view of a spiritual paradise has them at the helm. That would be a spiritual vacuum where faith is measured against obeisance and every expression of love for the benefit of their selfish pleasure. On the other side of the coin, I think that the bible expresses it best where is talks of proximity between the bone and the marrow. In perfection, it would be nice to view that state of closeness to Jehovah as the ultimate in human terms of spirituality, as certainly, with the creation of Adam, and especially Eve being fashioned from his rib, it seems to have been.

      • JTK

        you can live forever in paradise earth was the first book i was shown by the brother who i studied with. it made my heart rejoice to think that it was Gods purpose for mankind to live in perfection on a perfect earth ruled over by Christ and his Kingdom.
        Spiritual paradise i have never heard of probably because i did not continue with the study after the generation change.
        i would say this
        whilst we are engaged in this world, and we all are to some degree, then it seems impossible to be in spiritual paradise, or there to actually be a state of spiritual paradise that is obtainable.
        a heard a talk once at the Kingdom hall, a brother spoke about what we in northern england call a “coal house” a shed that contains the coal for the fire, the fire is our worldly needs and the shed is our work our source of income, he said.
        coal is dirty and so we get dirty obtaining coal for the fire he said, but when we get dirty and our fire is lit and our worldly need is met we can get washed and cleaned from the dirt of the world by washing our minds by attending meetings and serving Jehovah.
        that to my mind is a compromise that God allows us to make everyday we work in this world for our worldly needs.
        Spirtual paradise in my mind is paradise untouched by this world and its daily needs and indeed Christ taught his followers to pray to the Father to give us This day our daily needs
        but he did so under the context of prefixing it with “let your Kingdom come let your will be done on earth”
        when his kingdom comes those needs will be met not with our worldly work but Gods provison for us as his creation.
        So Spirtual paradise imo is a man made illusion until Christ comes and makes it a reality

        • Burt Reynolds

          Not only man made but a poor imitation too. I think if the watchtower representation of spiritually was true, I would resign from this world altogether!

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Yeah I agree with you the WTS is more s Paradise of pedophiles than a spiritual Paradise.

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Dear Robert. Found this articaI on why people lie . I don’t normally post links however this article is quite interesting, a good read , it may also be to those who visit the site . I believe is it a fitting scope for the Watchtower.
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Lying#The_Doctrine_of_Strict_Mental_Reservation of line..

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Here is a link to an interesting article about lying I thought it was fitting and eye opening as to why anyone and why people lie and why a group or organization would lie organization.http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Lying#The_Doctrine_of_Strict_Mental_Reservation

    • Burt Reynolds

      Interesting video, but I didn’t see any reference towards the claim that the witnesses really say that we are actually in the Tribulation? Do you…..or anyone… have any written reference to this please? Thanks.

  • trudy

    Can any one help on this that the talks on the stage at kh halls we are in the middle of it tribulation ..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJEyHdKggAw

    • The Raven

      Hi Trudy. I was going to sign on to youtube but I see he disabled all comments for his videos so I couldn’t ask for info. But in the bigger picture of their messed up prophecy based on their view that the parousia has occurred that would mean we are already in tribulation. Either way, it’s wrong. The earth shattering events described in revelation have not happened yet.

      • trudy

        Yes I have this purple book ..I think that the GB are going to hide in there bunkers /under there beds , I mean disappear to give a false idea to the flock that its the great day ..There is going to be the flock with no leaders /wolfs and its going to fall apart ..You can see it all in slow motion ..but at speed ..I cant explain exactly ,what this weird event Parousia is … the twilight zone .a bit of mad max and 3 days pack lunch the sheep have been told to take into the bunkers with sell / eat by date Armageddon food .It has to be like this as the devil has one go at this and so that amount of confusion even jws don’t know there own doctrine policy’s etc .I think about it and they lie to cover up lies ..I did ..I see how it makes you do it because they think the watchtower is Jehovah ..its incredible .

        • The Raven

          It is incredible and only terror will make them understand as it is written. Once that all explodes…then we’ll see who follows what. Will they stand on solely their faith in Jehovah and see Christ? Or will they stand behind an organisation which will stand in opposition? Weighty questions. My hope is of course, like yours and many others; that a good number will make the right choice.

          • Leonard k

            those are very good questions raven but lets go forward in time to the one thousand years period where satan will be locked away until mankind reaches perfection under the rulership of jesus christ and at the end of the one thousand years when mankind is at that time in a state of perfection as adam andeve was the scriptures tell us that satan will be released one last time and still when he is crushed by jesus satan will still take a great number of mankind with him to death. this is why our faith is so very important.

            Revelation 20:7-9
            7 Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.+

            Deuteronomy 32:4
            4 The Rock, perfect is his activity,
            For all his ways are justice.
            A God of faithfulness who is never unjust;
            Righteous and upright is he.

            Isaiah 11:1-5
            11 A twig+ will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse,+
            And a sprout+ from his roots will bear fruit.

            2 And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him,+
            The spirit of wisdom+ and of understanding,
            The spirit of counsel and of mightiness,+
            The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
            3 And he will find delight in the fear of Jehovah.+
            He will not judge by what appears to his eyes,
            Nor reprove simply according to what his ears hear.+
            4 He will judge the lowly with fairness,*
            And with uprightness he will give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth.
            He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth+
            And put the wicked to death with the breath* of his lips.+
            5 Righteousness will be the belt around his waist,
            And faithfulness the belt of his hips.+

            Isaiah 42:1
            42 Look! My servant, whom I support!
            My chosen one, whom I have approved!
            I have put my spirit in him;
            He will bring justice to the nations.

            John 1:32
            32 John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him.
            Acts 10:38
            38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

            John 11:25
            25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;

            Acts 2:24
            24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.

            Acts 13:32, 33
            32 “So we are declaring to you the good news about the promise made to the forefathers. 33 God has completely fulfilled it to us, their children, by resurrecting Jesus; just as it is written in the second psalm: ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’

            1 Peter 5:8
            8 Keep your senses, be watchful!+ Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone.*+

            Mark 4:19
            19 but the anxieties+ of this system of things* and the deceptive power of riches+ and the desires+ for everything else make inroads and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

            Hebrews 11:24, 25
            24 By faith Moses, when grown up,+ refused to be called the son of Pharʹaoh’s daughter,+ 25 choosing to be mistreated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin,

            James 4:7
            7 Therefore, subject yourselves to God;+ but oppose the Devil,+ and he will flee from you.+

            Ephesians 6:13
            13 For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God,+ so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm.

            Hebrews 10:24, 25
            24 And let us consider* one another so as to incite* to love and fine works,+ 25 not forsaking our meeting together,+ as some have the custom, but encouraging one another,+ and all the more so as you see the day drawing near.+

            • The Raven

              Hi Leonard. Thank you for those scriptures. They are very comforting as we head down this road.

        • Mick Hewitt

          I think your right Trudy. One day no one turns up at the office.

          • Burt Reynolds

            It’s possible Mick isn’t it. Satan is treacherous. The desolation of the watchtower, he hopes, will break the faith of the many and he will take advantage of it where he can. But Jehovah says there is no hiding place. It’s almost like watching a soap opera. We are all on the edge of our seats wondering what is coming next. Having said that, I don’t watch soap opera, I am more of the type that standing on a railway track, see the thousands of tons bearing down on me and think….This is going to hurt, I wonder if I will survive?……. Knowing I can’t get out of the way. Bit like a rabbit caught in the headlights.

            • Mick Hewitt

              There are times when I just can not pass a cart. The opportunity to speak to a captive audience on many a range of subjects with the desire of getting them to think…for instance…The W/T account of Jeptha’s daughter…..which i thought must raise a suspicion in any Jw. I just know when ttat hit me….well i was lost until I found this site. We know there is going to be a lot of hurt and confusion…I have left my phone No and site Daniel11:32b…and links to ewatchman.to the Jw’s I am related to and ones who have tolerated my rants on w/t. What an amazing time?

            • Burt Reynolds

              I really like your exuberance at finding the truth. Seems like you want to shout it out. I certainly would not pass a cart without speaking, but I have not seen a JW for two to three years now. Their blindness is unnatural. When they called I would agree with all that they said….the tribulation, paradise, the 144000, and they would immediately ask if I was or had been a JW. I used to assure them that they should not assume that they alone read the bible. This confused them ( how could I know the truth without the governing body guiding me? It’s just not possible!). Then I would argue the real issues with them but they could not shift from their stand. How strong this need was in them i found out when one of them with learning difficulties called on me and told me very plainly that they didn’t want to speak with me because they ‘could not get anywhere with me’ (how often have we heard that!?). They always used to promise that they would call back on me, but never did. It is evidence that they do not want people to believe the bible, but want them to believe what the watchtower tells them the bible says.

              I have noticed the same with detractors that visit this site, in that they want people to see things their way….natural really I suppose….or feel that aliegence is given to Robert, because they are unable to accept that the bible speaks for itself, and that others have the ability to see that, and that the site in itself, is simply a storefront for the truth. There are similar products to be bought elsewhere, it’s true and none, have the full range. It has nothing to do with the purveyor other than honesty, but everything to do with the proprietor. The difference here for me is but one thing. ‘My Sheep know my voice and I know them, and they follow me.’ Some say that is swopping one watchtower for another, but for me at least, and it has to be a personal choice, it is here that we see the truth about the truth. I hope you and others continue to feel the same . The sudden peace on this site has become tangible!

            • Mick Hewitt

              What a lovely statement, peace becoming tangible. We know what gets sown under peacefull conditions?

            • #savekevin

              Great comment Burt. Yes, some have left the WT only to emulate it by trying to get followers after themselves.

            • The Raven

              Yep. Folks are going to be very surprised when they find out we ARE the train wreck they thought they would be watching from a safe distance .

            • Mick Hewitt

              If I saw you in the headlights Burt….well I’m not the driver but if I was ….you know I’m sure I would recognize the humanity in that stare…

        • Burt Reynolds

          I have no idea what the outcome of the governing body will be. It is reasonable to assume that they will be held accountable publically. The bible states clearly that what is hidden will be exposed. Even the mountains will not cover them over. The governing body are the face of the watchtower. From them radiate out their businesses and legal advisors. They are all guilty, but some are more guilty than others. That is for Jehovah to decide. It is hardly reasonable to assume that Jehovah will not lay bare the evidence, but though we all secretly hope for public exposure of these people, Jehovah will do as he pleases. It is satans plan to divert thinking along any line that takes attention away from Jehovah and his purpose. Why should we care what these men do? The fact remains, whether we see it or not, that they will come to know who Jehovah is and answer directly to him. We don’t even know who they are at heart. The command given us is to forgive our enemies, else of what benefit is it to us to only forgive those we love? We should instead hope that they see the error of their ways before it is too late. Many were brought up in the lie and are themselves victims like us. It is best to let them condemn themselves rather than us have any part in it.

          • Mick Hewitt

            That sounds good to me Burt….Love be the winner.

    • Mick Hewitt

      The host of that site was scrolling so fast with his accompanying narration….I know he was getting his facts screwed up Trudy.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The Sun Will Set on the Prophets.
      Excerpt:
      Keeping on the watch is good. But having wrong expectations is potentially lethal. And Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly have an erroneous outlook. In that respect they are not unlike the apostles.

      But according to Jesus it is only “when you see all these things” that we may know for certain that he is near at the doors.

      The truth is, Christ has not in any sense come. His coming is a future event. That is why the prophecy of Malachi poses the unsettling question: “But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears?”Read more> https://e-watchman.com/sun-will-set-prophets/

      Are Jehovah’s Witnesses False Prophets?.
      Excerpt:
      The fiery appearance of Christ will be preceded by global war, famines and searing pandemics. The tribulation will come about, not with the fall of Babylon, but rather, the collapse of the governmental system —America foremost. Along with that global crash the Watchtower will collapse. That the prophecy in Ezekiel has a fulfillment in the Christian era ought to be evident from what is stated in the following passage: “O Israel, your prophets have become like foxes among the ruins. You will not go to the broken places in the stone walls to rebuild them for the house of Israel, so that Israel may keep standing in the battle in the day of Jehovah. They have seen false visions and foretold a lie, those who are saying, ‘The word of Jehovah is,’ when Jehovah himself has not sent them, and they have waited for their word to come true. Is it not a false vision that you have seen and a lie that you have foretold when you say, ‘The word of Jehovah is,’ when I have not said anything?”’Read more> https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-false-prophets/

  • Leonard k

    https://youtu.be/6lt2JfJdGSY

    Matthew 6:10
    10 Let your Kingdom+ come. Let your will+ take place, as in heaven, also on earth.+

    Psalm 37:10
    10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;
    You will look at where they were,
    And they will not be there.

    Luke 23:43
    43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”

    Acts 24:15
    15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

    Acts 24:15
    15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Revelation 5:9
    And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

    Revelation 20:12
    And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

    Luke 4:17
    So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:

    Jeremiah 36:28
    “Take another scroll and write on it all the same words that were on the first scroll, which King Je·hoiʹa·kim of Judah burned up.

    Revelation 22:18
    “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;

    Revelation 22:19
    and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll.

  • Sharon

    I just went thru reading all these wonderful comments,and all I can say is this.the great god that I worship, Jehovah,the god of the bible,and his beloved son,our soon to be king of kings,and lord of lords,i have a really hard time believing that after we go through through the great tribulation,the worst period in all human history,ALL THESE MILLIONS OR MORE DEAD BODIES,COVERING THE EARTH AS MANURE,as you say,that after all that,my King is going to have us clean up this disaster.tell me……..does that sound reasonable to you,that sounds like something the WBTS has been graphically showing us since the from paradise lost to the paradise restored publication 100yrs ago.JUST MY OPINION! However besides that I have something that I would like any critical thinkers here to dome some research on.last week,and this week right under our noses,not getting very much coverage,is this Saudi arabia giving citizenship to a robot Sophia.and whats really going on.heres my opinion again,i believe this bitcoin,cryptocurrency could very well be the event to usher in the beast system.i look forward to your comments,please be kind.warm Christian love.

    • The Raven

      What about scripture that speaks of the birds feasting on corpses and man having to bury their bones? It’s not opinion, it’s scripture and there are numerous accounts of this. It doesn’t really matter to me what the WT taught.
      Here’s just one:
      Ezekiel 39:
      39 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog,+ and tell him, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “I am against you, Gog, head chieftain* of Meʹshech and Tuʹbal.+ 2 I will turn you around and lead you and make you come up from the remotest parts of the north+ and bring you in upon the mountains of Israel. 3 I will knock your bow out of your left hand and make your arrows fall from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall,+ you and all your troops and the peoples who will be with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of birds of prey and the wild beasts of the field.”’+
      5 “‘You will fall on the open field,+ for I myself have spoken,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
      6 “‘And I will send fire against Maʹgog and against those who are inhabiting the islands in security,+ and they will have to know that I am Jehovah. 7 I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,+ the Holy One in Israel.’+
      8 “‘Yes, this is coming, and it will be done,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘This is the day I have spoken about. 9 The inhabitants of the cities of Israel will go out and make fires with the weapons—the bucklers* and shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs* and lances. And they will use them to light fires+ for seven years. 10 They will not need to take wood from the field or gather firewood from the forests because they will use the weapons to light fires.’
      “‘They will take spoil from those who despoiled them and plunder from those who had been plundering them,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
      11 “‘On that day I will give Gog+ a burial place there in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the sea, and it will block the path of those passing through. That is where they will bury Gog and all his hordes, and they will call it the Valley of Hamon-Gog.*+ 12 The house of Israel will spend seven months burying them in order to cleanse the land.+ 13 All the people of the land will work at burying them, and this will bring them fame in the day that I glorify myself,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
      14 “‘Men will be assigned to pass through the land constantly and bury the bodies left remaining on the surface of the earth, in order to cleanse it. They will continue the search for seven months. 15 When those who pass through the land see a human bone, they will set up a marker beside it. Then those assigned to do the burying will bury it in the Valley of Hamon-Gog.+ 16 And there will also be a city there named Ha·moʹnah.* And they will cleanse the land.’+
      17 “As for you, son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘Say to every sort of bird and to all the wild beasts of the field, “Gather yourselves together and come. Gather all around my sacrifice that I am preparing for you, a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel.+ You will eat flesh and drink blood.+ 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty ones and drink the blood of the chieftains of the earth—the rams, lambs, goats, and bulls—all the fattened animals of Baʹshan. 19 You will gorge yourselves on fat and drink blood until you are drunk from the sacrifice that I prepare for you.”’
      20 “‘At my table you will be filled up with horses and charioteers, mighty ones and all sorts of warriors,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
      21 “‘I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the judgment that I have executed and the power* that I have demonstrated among them.+ 22 From that day on the house of Israel will have to know that I am Jehovah their God. 23 And the nations will have to know that the house of Israel went into exile because of their own error, because they were unfaithful to me.+ So I hid my face from them+ and handed them over to their enemies,+ and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their transgressions, and I hid my face from them.’
      25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘I will restore the captives of Jacob+ and have mercy on the whole house of Israel;+ and I will zealously defend* my holy name.+ 26 After they have been humiliated for all their unfaithfulness toward me,+ they will dwell securely on their land, with no one to make them afraid.+ 27 When I bring them back from the peoples and collect them together from the lands of their enemies,+ I will also sanctify myself among them before the eyes of many nations.’+
      28 “‘They will have to know that I am Jehovah their God when I send them into exile among the nations and then gather them back to their land, not leaving any of them behind.+ 29 I will not hide my face from them any longer,+ for I will pour out my spirit on the house of Israel,’+ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”

      • Sharon

        thanks raven,and I don’t know about you but I sure look forward to that outpouring of holy spirit

        • The Raven

          Yep. We all do. 😊

        • Cathii D’Anthonii

          Sharon, keep in mind that Jehovah knows we will be traumatized to our limit.that’s why Rev says He will wipe our every year from our eyes… Yes, it will be literal after ww3 and so on but Jehovah isn’t going to allow us to suffer through the clean up…Noah and his family didn’t labor after the flood, the animals here will clean up and Jehovah may just use the same forces at his command he used on Mt. Carmel when Elijah challenged the Baal worshipers.
          Gardening work keeps us humans out of trouble anyhow….

    • The Raven

      Here’s a couple more. If I can even hope to make it into that day the last thing I would think of doing is complaining about burying the bodies after the birds and beasts have picked them clean. IMO.
      🙂

      Jeremiah 25
      31 ‘A noise will resound to the ends of the earth,
      For Jehovah has a controversy with the nations.
      He will personally pass judgment on all humans.*+
      And he will put the wicked to the sword,’ declares Jehovah.
      32 This is what Jehovah of armies says:
      ‘Look! A calamity is spreading from nation to nation,+
      And a great tempest will be unleashed from the remotest parts of the earth.+
      33 “‘And those slain by Jehovah in that day will be from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be mourned, nor will they be gathered up or buried. They will become like manure on the surface of the ground.’

      Revelation 19
      17 I saw also an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice and said to all the birds+ that fly in midheaven: “Come here, be gathered together to the great evening meal of God, 18 that YOU may eat the fleshy+ parts of kings and the fleshy parts of military commanders* and the fleshy parts of strong men+ and the fleshy parts of horses+ and of those seated upon them, and the fleshy parts of all, of freemen as well as of slaves and of small ones and great.”
      19 And I saw the wild beast+ and the kings+ of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war+ with the one seated on the horse+ and with his army. 20 And the wild beast+ was caught, and along with it the false prophet+ that performed in front of it the signs+ with which he misled those who received the mark+ of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image.+ While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulphur.+ 21 But the rest were killed off with the long sword of the one seated on the horse,+ which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth.+ And all the birds+ were filled+ from the fleshy parts of them.+

      • Sharon

        thanks raven now that sounds logical,love your comments

    • Burt Reynolds

      Hello Sharon. The bit about Sophia is a hoax. The questions are pre programmed and the ‘robot’ is nothing more than a glorified Amazon ordering device that you have in your kitchen. I doubt if the Saudis even know of it and even if they have given it citizenship, more fool them for giving an Amazon ordering device citizenship. Shows a lot about the obedience men expect from women. Bit like watchtower. The facial movements might be genuine. The Japanese have made some advance in that mimicry. Note that you only see the head of this thing. All the rest will be clunky metal if it exists at all. Beware the Internet. They have more lies in them than all the watchtower put together.

      As for clearing up the mess after the tribulation, try viewing it from Jehovahs point of view. We made the mess, not him. It’s helpful not to look at it from what we think is right. I don’t have the answer, but the bible indicates that there will be a lot unburied and that somethings will fall to us. As it was also in the Great War 1914, where they used to build corpses into the trench walls to stop the bullets. It was also a ‘good luck’ symbol to literally shake the hand of a corpse sticking out from the trench wall. They also used to use corpses to walk on in the trenches to stop themselves sinking into the mud. Gallows humour.

      • Sharon

        hey burt thanks for the reply,and theinfo on dead corpsesHOWEVER please burt do the research,something I have done on AI blockchain,and crypto currency,trust me she is not going away,this is just the begining

        • Burt Reynolds

          It’s true I don’t do research on things like Bitcoin etc, other than what I read (briefly) in rescources that are ( reasonably) trustworthy to keep myself informed generally. And I am sufficiently informed on technology in terms of robotics….even directed energy weapons and converse with qualified people in that area because I’m bored and I like science because it reveals Jehovah as the law maker. I know what Bitcoin et al are and see the relevance in world affairs, but I’m afraid you will find, it touches me not. It’s not that I’m not interested in what people bring to the table here, it’s simply that I am focused on biblical topics and world events that directly evidence such but not in the detail. In real terms, robots, finance, war….it’s matters not how it comes, but whether we are of the right heart condition to survive it, live or die. You are of course right in terms of robotics and science technology and how this will effect us. So much so that the bible points out that one reason for divine intervention is ‘lest they become like us’…..its out of context, but you know the issues.

          • Sharon

            all I know burt is the minds not as sharp as it used to be,so if this is the future I better start figuring it out now or I will be lost

            • The Raven

              You won’t be lost as long as you have faith and a good heart. The rest…place in His hands.

            • Sharon

              thanks raven

            • Burt Reynolds

              I understand about the mind getting blunt! At least we get to watch movies over and again because we can’t remember watching them! So long as you remember you have forgotten, you’re okay. When you don’t know you’ve forgotten, it’s time to see your doctor!

        • The Raven

          I found something interesting about this. The big banks have all been involved in money laundering but they have hardly ever been pursued by authorities with the exception of some like HSBC. This is well known. No one went to jail.

          http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/gangster-bankers-too-big-to-jail-20130214

          But now they are targeting crypto currencies and accusing them of money laundering. It appears they don’t like the competition.

          https://www.rt.com/business/410137-jpmorgan-busted-money-laundering-bitcoin/

          Those currencies cannot compete with the big boys which own and control all the world’s wealth. Once economies implode and war breaks out with the advent of the eighth king in the great tribulation, then we will probably go to cashless society as the mark is implemented. It’s speculation but it would appear to be the best way to control buying and selling. Even bitcoin would be doomed since governments cannot control it and China recently shut down one of their largest exchanges as well.

          • Sharon

            well raven ive done a lot of research on this because its quite clear as you mentioned,that much turmoil is on our doorstep.if we go by history it appears that they are soon ready to pull the plug.what I know for sure is the man responsible for Sophia,and bitcoin was a child prodigy,and many believe after digging,and searching that AI maybe the creator of cryptocurrency.(software)don’t forget,and this is hard to believe,over 20yrs ago it was the big boys as you call them,that wanted us to know what they had prepared for America.on the front cover of their magazine the ecconimist was the phoenix rising from the ashes of war,surrounded by currency as we know it now being done away with,and it had the bitcoin hanging around its neck,andi cant remember raven if the year said 2017 or 18,either way it appears there right on schedule.the only thing I do know is we are living in the most exciting time.I think all the kings,and prophets of Jehovah would have loved to live in these end times.this stuff is all exciting to watch as jesus said keep on the watch,but its all smoke and mirrors,its our relationship with our heavenly father,and his son that’s the most important thing.

            • The Raven

              I remember that cover but I think what we get will be something beyond what we foresee. Whatever it is it must be something which will stop us at point of service unless we are “in”. I would guess it will be similar to government issued cards or some other identification. It doesn’t matter what they call it we won’t be able to use it. How quickly this is implemented and how efficiently it can be enforced is open. We may still be able to barter for goods during that period for at least a time. In the end, I wouldn’t worry about it too much since we’ll know it when we see it. Yes.. It is all smoke and mirrors and it’s meant to distract us. We know who wins, don’t we? 🙂

            • trudy

              I think that they are going to make us all on the card payments ..That’s is why they are doing plastic money ,Its programing us ..I paid just 5p on my card for a insurance payment as to change my policy ,lets face it how many of us really use cash ..the systems is already there ,,they are shutting banks and cash machines form village to city .They can switch off you bank if they feel there is crime involved ..they did this to my friend ..they said it was used for crime ..but was not ,,she was a jw ..The other things I can point out on most forms they ask you what religion you are ,this is in the UK ,,and even a newspaper brought the rights and put a article how religious is your road with the peoples religion ..The computer system is there ,,we fill in form after form with our info ,without even thinking about it . .Its all set up ready to ping.

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    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      To Dear Daniel Alexander Diaz Boquin
      First of all I want you to know are a JW? If not how you came to know about this website?
      Was your intention is to find where more people associate and give your offer and push your business?
      Why business when this website is dedicated for Jehovah. Want to make Luke:19:46 ? Well your intention may be good for someone in need of money. But one should not do this in a website that truly talks about Jehovah and his purpose. This diverts ones attention from spiritual to money that’s my point.

      Do you have the intentions like that of Luke:12:16-19? Then Jesus says for you at Luke:12:20-21.

      Well this for fun which I am going to tell you. Well better than the brothers and sisters here associating this website I think so you need to better give this your offer to WTS as needs 4,000$ of daily fine to be paid for hiding its Child abuse cases, it is better you can also send an ad to them than here.But as a word of caution is that I doubt Watchtower will not be in a position to return your money even after 20 years with interest rate 2% per year because in the next few years WTS will not get enough money in its pocket from its members as they are discouraging its members to give up higher education and many of them will be uneducated and illiterates so less salary. I suggest better give this offer with Governing body members because they live in Ivory towers in Warwick.

  • trudy

    I have been hearing ON YOUTUBE that they are stopping the preaching work in Jan 2018 ,Has anyone heard this ?

    • a watcher

      I wish, but no. Only the literature offer is changing slightly.

      • Isaac of Coimbatore

        Please update me more on this I am interested.

        • a watcher

          Instead of 6 public Watchtowers and 6 Awakes being printed each year, there will only be 3 of each; each being offered for 2 months.

          • Isaac of Coimbatore

            Yeah know that what about interpretation the prophecies? THE WATCHTOWER—STUDY EDITION October 2017 issue contains the study articles for November 27 to December 24, 2017. in that the WTS interprets about Zechariah 5th to 7th chapter is that right what is you opinion? Regarding this matter anyone can reply me.

    • Isaac of Coimbatore

      Oh is that true? Was that information genuine? Just see in India all literature printing have stopped in all Indian languages, hence we are not getting any magazines, books and brochures in hard copy so no placements in the field.That is why we can show videos and put in the field report. If at all any one needs magazines, special request with the elder to literature department has to be made and will get from Japan’s Bethel. There is only limited supply of selected tracts. Some 10 tracts/publisher and little more for pioneers. All must be accessed through tabs, Kindle and 4G smart phones.

      Stephan Lett when he came to India in 2016 he announced that the society is under financial crisis.

      One more thing is that if you preach proper truth people themselves call you through phone to take a Bible study as my wife is having 7 bible studies and her studies call her through phone or they themselves come to our home. If WTS stops preaching then there will be decline in the increase of members and finally many will be stumbled and some our Coimbatore Jehovah’s witnesses will become even drunkards.

    • Burt Reynolds

      Do you have the link? It’s probably just rumour, and watcher is right about the mag change. I wonder if they may just demote the witnessing to ‘incidental’ as we used to call it. One thing about the watchtower we can be certain of is that we never know what’s coming next, only that it will be prophetically significant.

      • into the light

        Hi Burt, I mentioned this before. Part of the new changes includes more casual approach of informal witnessing. Regarding the literature, this is what JW are saying elsewhere on message boards:

        In fact, since our focus must be on finding those who are well prepared, we don’t even have to offer a publication – just focus attention on Bible teaching and try to place literature with someone as a secondary part of our ministry.

        I think this is a blessing in disguise.
        I also heard that the study conductors are being encouraged to not spend much time with the ones that don’t show progress in 6 months but I’m not sure whether this is being enforced…
        As for those rumors that Trudy mentions I wouldn’t pay too much attention to them since they come from those youtubers who openly call themselves apostate. If you want to know about current and future changes withing the org go directly to JW and ask. I think you have a better chance to learn what they are about these days form the ones that are currently in the org than from the bitter ones who left and and took it on themselves to bring down the org with their lies and slander.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Thanks for that Light……I was wondering if you had got turned off – you’ve been away for some time, or that someone had crept up behind you and dropped a bushel over you! I think you’re right about cutting down on time spent with interested people…I’m sure it says in the scriptures somewhere that Christ didn’t bother with people who did not progress quickly in their belief. In Mathew 18, 21-22, it is indicated that preachers should give up at the first setback with their brothers…..’Lord, how many times must I forgive my brother who sins against me?’ The answer was of course 77 times, indicating the boundlessness of perfection which of course would also be applied to patience with people, valuing them as people, not statistics. I think the organisation has moved into a very defensive mode of conduct, with no rhyme or reason to it other than promoting a guide-less sense of urgency that they do not have to answer to…..going nowhere urgently, preparing wholeheartedly for nothing in particular, speaking scriptures without application or purpose and preaching the word in an engratiating vacuum without content. Somehow it seems that the web of deceit is nearly completed with the fulfilment of madness on the part of the governing body. They seem to be being drawn to the point of declaration in admitting that they have it all wrong, or that they are indeed ‘kings’. And of course we know which step they will take.

          • Mick Hewitt

            They have a great alibi which they will lean on till they (the recognized faces of w/t) disappear.)It was all the fault of the corporate administrators..we handed all corporeal duties over to what as turned out to be a disastererous whirlwind of events….

          • into the light

            Burt, I was off the internet for a while, personal reasons, but I’m back now. As for turned off, well I did see some unchristian behaviors and comments among brothers here. I see the same self-righteousness which can be observed in the org. So from here on out I’ll restrain myself from commenting too much, as my goal is to discuss scripture and to strengthen my faith as opposed to endlessly discuss about the org and their wrongdoings.

            Just recently I watched a series on Neflix that’s based on the Acts of the apostles. It covered the events after Jesus’ death. Point being, all of them have stuck together during their trials and tribulations. And you know, I have been thinking about what happens when the GT begins; when we don’t have the access to internet and when our essential needs are not met. Then what? JW have each other and I’m sure they will be together during that time, just as the apostles and other disciples were after Jesus’ death. And what about us here? What about some here that don’t have anyone that’s like-minded close to them? I’m sure Jehovah will provide for the ones that have faith in him, and that might just be sending us to them. But will they believe us? Not unless we show to them that we are their brothers. We need to be fair and recognize the fact that JW are still being used by Jesus to fulfill the task for preaching of the good news and shouldn’t condemn them because they follow the org. I think that for many people there the most important thing is to show their faith thru works. The ones with right heart condition will recognize the voice of their shepherd. I know it’s hard to balance these things but that’s the part of our trial. Please consider this scripture: 1. Peter 4:7-10

            Ultimately the judgments will be dealt for each individual according to their deeds. I don’t really care too much about what the org and its elders’ latest views are as their dynamic is something that’s hard to follow. But I do know that there are many individuals who are demonstrating faith in Jehovah and his Christ that are presently there. And couple weeks ago I was reassured that there are some there who put their faith in the fact that Jehovah will resolve the situation. I know many are blind and like to have their ears tickled but that’s just being human. You’ll find such ones anywhere you go. Even among the most learned ones…

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes I agree with the scripture and your thoughts…..other than holding back on commenting here! I think it is very difficult to find a balance or even a way to help those remaining at this time in the watchtower. I certainly pray to be a part of that help, but as yet I don’t know how, other than that I will go looking for a way. Part of that I see as staying here and being with my brothers and sisters, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together. Reducing our contact does not make what we do say any more true or eloquent, any more supporting or empathetic, but to say nothing detracts from the love and development of the brotherhood. The fact that rows and arguements come up is of no importance….being perfect probably won’t change the problem….but learning tolerance and appreciating difference will do. The arguments here are nothing to worry about because all of us will learn through the chastisement of Jehovah, therefore it’s best that we practice now. This of course applies to those within the congregation as it does to us. Unfortunately, some loose sight of the ones still remaining and they get lumped together with the outrages performed by the governing body, which in my opinion is wrong. It saddens me to see this in the anti-JW Storm going on at present. That inspires me all the more to value those here to keep a balance on the sheep left behind. We will all get there in the end if we allow love to takes its place above arguing our minuscule learning about Jehovah.

  • Isaac of Coimbatore

    Dear brothers and Sister THE WATCHTOWER—STUDY EDITION October 2017 issue contains the study articles for November 27 to December 24, 2017. In that issue the WTS interprets about Zechariah 5th to 7th chapter. Is that right? What is you opinion? Please anyone give the reply.

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