The slave that did not understand

//The slave that did not understand

Sunday, February 19

Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?Matt. 24:45.

When early in the last century a small group of diligent Bible students was appointed as “the faithful and discreet slave,” much of their communication with the “domestics” was in English. That “slave” has put forth great effort to make spiritual food available in more and more languages; the number has now risen to over 700. There was also a need for a Bible that would accurately convey in modern speech the intent of the original writings. The New World Bible Translation Committee was formed, and over a ten-year period from 1950 to 1960, the committee’s translation was released in six volumes. When releasing the first volume on August 2, 1950, Brother N. H. Knorr expressed the hope that this translation would spread its spiritual help to millions of people.

COMMENTARY

The work the Watchtower has accomplished is truly impressive. And it is not merely the fact that JW.org is recognized as the most translated website on the planet, by a wide margin, but more impressively, over the past century the Watchtower has trained and motivated millions of otherwise average persons to become public ministers. That is no small feat considering the personal sacrifice involved on the part of those who submit to the program.

And make no mistake, while some may claim that Mormons do a similar ministry, such is not the case. Only Mormon youths engage in their so-called mission and that for only two years. Whereas, Jehovah’s Witnesses make a life-long commitment to their ministry. This sort of dedication and perseverance in preaching a very unpopular message can only come from a depth of spiritual strength and faith. And to that end there has most assuredly been a faithful slave who has been true to his  commission to feed Christ’s servants with the spiritual food necessary for them to fully accomplish their ministry.

However, why did Jesus frame his discussion about the faithful slave in the form of a question, as in: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?” 

Is there some question about the identity of the slaves whom Christ appointed? No. There shouldn’t be. Is there some unanswered question about what the “food supplies at the proper time” might consist of? Again, no. There should be no question that Christ has seen to it that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been spiritually nourished, otherwise how could they possibly have accomplished the work to the extent that they have?

The reason Jesus left us with the open-ended question has to do with whether or not the individuals assigned as overseers to the spiritual feeding program will be found faithful when the master arrives for his surprise inspection. That there are two sorts of slaves and two very different outcomes for each is the point of the illustration.

Whereas, the Watchtower’s latest “adjustment” (July 2013 Watchtower) that shifted the appointment of the slave over all the master’s belongings from 1918 to the future also dissolved the evil slave into a mere “what if?” hypothetical, in Jesus’ more extensive discussion of the two slaves in the 12th chapter of Luke it is clear that there are two sorts of slaves. One is willfully disobedient and the other is merely ignorant of the master’s will. Jesus explained: “Then that slave who understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do what he asked will be beaten with many strokes. But the one who did not understand and yet did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few. Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him, and the one who was put in charge of much will have more than usual demanded of him.”

Please note that the slave who understood his master’s will did not fail to feed the domestics their food at the proper time. He is punished for having also beat his fellow slaves and for saying inwardly, in his heart: “my master is delaying.” In either case, both slaves are put through an experience —a symbolic flogging. The willfully disobedient slave who is lashed with many strokes is obviously the wicked slave, whom the master will ‘punish with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones.’

When will the master call his appointed slaves to account? According to Jesus it is when he comes at a time his slaves do not think likely. That is why Jesus prefaced his illustration of the faithful and evil slaves by saying: “Be dressed and ready and have your lamps burning, and you should be like men waiting for their master to return from the marriage, so when he comes and knocks, they may at once open to him. Happy are those slaves whom the master on coming finds watching! Truly I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. And if he comes in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them ready, happy are they! But know this, if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also, keep ready, because at an hour that you do not think likely, the Son of man is coming.”

As Jehovah’s Witnesses know the cornerstone of the Watchtower’s entire doctrine is that Jesus returned in 1914 and began ruling the world and Jesus’ invisible presence has been ongoing ever since. As we know, the Greek word translated in the NWT as presence is parousia. It literally means “being alongside.”

Now, if necessary re-read what Jesus stated above as regards what he intends to do when he arrives at an unexpected hour. He said he “will come alongside and minister to them.” In other words,  the judgment of the slave coincides with the parousia. Not only that, as has been pointed out, the parousia is used interchangeably with the Greek words epiphaneia and apokalypsis, which are translated as manifestation and revelation, respectively. So, in the case of the faithful slave Christ’s presence alongside his disciples is undertaken so he may minister to them directly – no doubt post-lashing; whereas, his presence, or manifestation to the evil slave, or man of lawlessness, results in his being done away with. Here is what the inspired apostle wrote in that regard: “Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.”

Obviously, Jehovah’s Witnesses have no inkling of any sort of future parousia. Nor does the concept of a glorious manifestation or revelation of Christ hold any meaning either. No doubt this is why the coming of the Son of man will be at an hour thought unlikely, since the object and manner of the Lord’s return has been so thoroughly obfuscated by the Watchtower from its very inception. And it is also why even the faithful slave is destined to be beaten with a few strokes for having ignorantly perpetuated the 1914 hoax and many other evils.

Truly, as has been documented on this site, what the faithful slave does not understand is voluminous. 

2017-05-22T20:56:59+00:00 February 19th, 2017|Commentary|128 Comments
  • Burt Reynolds

    If the watchtower has moved the appointment of the slave from 1918 to an unspecified future date, should not the witnesses be ever more ready in expectation of the parousia? Has the governing body issued some form of explanation as to why they have suddenly not been the faithful slave all this time? I suppose they think this means they are innocent. Talk about tangled webs.

    • ewatchman

      What might be a point of confusion is that there are two appointments. The first appointment is when the slaves are assigned to feed the master’s household. That appointment obviously precedes the coming of the master for the inspection. The second appointment takes place when the Son of man arrives and is when the master appoints the faithful slave over all of his belongings. That appointment comes after the master whips the unfaithful slave with many strokes and declares him to have been unfaithful in the discharge of his duties.

      • Simpletruth

        Okay so as I understand it…the first appointment occurred when the brothers first began to uncover the truth back in the late 19th century when the organization first began? Or sometime around that time. And, they were appointed by Holy Spirit? Whereas the future appointment will come during Chris’ts presence when he comes as a “thief in the night” to check up on those appointed to see how they handled their assignment. Is that accurate?

        • ewatchman

          That is the way I understand it. That is also what the WT now teaches, minus the bit about the judgment coinciding with the parousia, of course.

          • Simpletruth

            Okay gotcha. Yes I read that 2013 article sometime last year after I found your site. It was interesting how they crammed all the revisions into that one article. It was so cleverly done that it slipped by the recognition of many friends. My father is an elder and when I brought up something to him about the 2nd appointment being future he had to go back and reread it cause he didn’t even realize the teaching had changed. I find that ironic since that belief that the faithful slave has already been appointed over ‘all the master’s belongings’ is central to the faith the witnesses have in them as Jehovah’s own mouthpiece. Very crazy!

          • Luke 18:8 “… But when the Son of Man returns, how many will he find on the earth who have faith?”

        • ewatchman

          I might add that, prior to 2013 the WT was still teaching that the master had already appointed the slave over all of his belongings and that the related illustration of the wise and foolish virgins and already been fulfilled in its entirety. The first edition of Jehovah Himself Has Become King debunked that notion. https://e-watchman.com/robert-king-e-watchman-jehovahs-witnesses/

          So, basically the WT has come around to teaching what I published 12 years ago. Except, they still cling to the delusion that Christ has already come. However, I am confident that in time they will acquire a whole new understanding and appreciation for the parousia. They will have no choice.

          • Daisy

            and perhaps the WT will realise the meaning of jesus’s parable not as to WHOM is appointed, but rather who has lived up to that appointment when he returns at Armageddon. Then they will know who REALLY is the slave. As you say, they will have no choice. Hallelujah!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Absolutely.

          • yeah, they will have no choice or become opposers

          • Teleologist

            When was the first appointment?

        • LW

          The current teaching was that the initial appointment was in 1919.

          • Simpletruth

            Okay. And they revised the 2nd appointment (becoming master over all the belongings’ ) as of 2013, right?

            • LW

              Right.

            • Anderiega

              If memory serves me correctly, the WT teaches that the “he will appoint him over his all belongings” (verse 47) at that future time when Jesus comes as Judge. 2013 was only significant (WT significance) because that’s when they officially pronounced the GB the FDS (rather than all the anointed on Earth the FDS) Clear as mud!!!!?

            • Joseph Stephan

              Overlapping mud = dog sh#t,
              Hahaha hahaha, oh wait that’s not funny but really really sad. My head is spinning…

            • Daisy

              Must be true if it’s been officially announced lol

      • Francis Bencharles

        you are quite correct there are two appointments just as you outlined. But when Jesus comes for an inspection (as the thief) and finds that slave is not so faithful he will remove “all of his belongings” without him knowing and give them to another slave who is “giving food at the proper time”. The belongings of Jesus are not just his Bride but are all those that are in a salvation covenant through the death of our Lord. They are the true possessions and Jesus takes them very serious. Come this spring you and all others will have to make a choice between two slaves, one of which you know and is wicked and sluggish or evil and one who is faithful and discrete (not by their own testimony but by that of jesus himself. Be ready to make the correct choice as I will also be, I hope.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          You’re making a prediction that Jesus is coming this very spring and will reveal the man of lawlessness.

          Now Francis with all due respect that’s quite an absurd prediction since Jesus clearly stated that nobody knows that day or hour.

          Matthew 24:36
          “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son,but only the Father.

          Acts 1:7
          He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction;

          Francis Bencharles ewatchman • 3 hours ago
          “Come this spring you and all others will have to make a choice between two slaves, one of which you know and is wicked and sluggish or evil and one who is faithful and discrete (not by their own testimony but by that of jesus himself. Be ready to make the correct choice as I will also be, I hope.

          • Francis Bencharles

            Hi Brooklyn Kevin:

            Matthew 24:36 doesn’t actually say that, but it doesn’t matter if I recommend that you look it up in an interlinear, you will go on believing the lie non the less. The word is oiden in the greek and most literally translated it is “has seen” or “no one has yet seen”. In other words up to the time of Jesus saying this “no one has or had seen”, but the scripture is not a prohibition on future knowledge. You don’t think Jesus is still ignorant of the “day or hour” do you? It’s just people are in fear of being incorrect about that day or hour, like the Watchtower. They gave up after about 5 or 6 tries because people “called them names” and they got their feelings hurt. They have been wandering in a wilderness for over 40 years since they gave up trying to figure out from scripture when Jesus would come. Jesus said to “keep on seeking”, “keep on knocking” and “keep on asking” and you will find, it will be opened to you, and you will be given the answer. Unfortunately, most people have given up long ago. Look up Matthew 24:36 in your kingdom interlinear or Scripture4all.org .

            • Beverly kenyon

              Oh, give it a rest Francis Bencharles! And to think I felt sympathy for you as you were treated badly when you were an active witness. Now you’re a disciple of that ridiculous ‘Corny, Cornish Prophet’ Victor Field! There, I’ve called your Leader, Victor a couple of names…I hope he’s got a thick skin! You come across as an intelligent person so why are you putting your trust in a person who thinks Jehovah speaks to him on a personal level! There’s a scripture that talks about such things being done away with and then we would have to worship God with Spirit and Truth! I’m sure you know the scripture as you’re suppose to be smart! You said in a previous post you were a registered nurse, well get Victor some meds as he has some sort of ‘Napoleon Complex’.

            • Francis Bencharles

              Hi Beverly: Same pleasant personality I see. I don’t even know who Victor Field is, so he is certainly not my leader. Thank you, for I like to think of myself as a half-way intelligent person at least but I am more proud of my faith and endurance. I do not think that Jehovah speaks to people on a personal level, never have. Jehovah speaks through the Word, which is his Son. Who speaks to each of us through the Bible. I am an RN, but I am not currently practicing actively as I am disabled (not looking for sympathy, just stating a fact). Again, I don’t know Victor, but will look him up just to stay informed. “Napoleon Complex”, I’m not sure that is actually a diagnosis in the DSM-5, but I get your drift. Small stature, thinks a lot of him/her self.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Lol. Pfftt…sorry if my ‘pleasant personality’ offends your sensibility but mentioning about having to choose between two slaves this spring reeked of Victor Field and his nonsense. If you’re not a follower of him and I’m wrong then I apologise for any hurt feelings. I know you’re not looking for sympathy but that’s sad to hear of your disability, it can’t be easy for you and I empathise. I also have a low tolerance level for religious cranks who use God’s Word to mislead people as in the case of Victor Field and I won’t even begin to tell you some of his ‘bright ideas’!

            • Francis Bencharles

              No hurt feelings at all. I did see some of Victor’s comments on this site but they must have been some of the tamer dull ones as I didn’t find them interesting at all.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I think that the current opinion of the April 11th debacle is similar between ex JWs and a popular misconception . As we see in Victor, the issues are not so much truth, but of need and this personal need is satiated a number of ways and integrated with the scriptures to form a hope, and thus people are led away as it is mentally infectious and preys on our weakness. As noted above, the truth of the scriptures is identified and identifiable. The message does need neither explanation or critical examination. It appeals, not for gratification, but for its content and that content is not a reward, but an answer to a longing for righteousness. It does not have a status or special insight, it is not boastful or self righteous, contentious or biting, but kind and genuine and lives within the soul. It is in fact, the abiding love of Jehovah. To be aware of it, is all we need, because if we allow it to, it will both lead and teach us what we should do to continue in that love.

            • Beverly kenyon

              All I know Burt is that Jehovah has promised there’s going to be a change for this world and mankind and I know 100% that’s going to happen just like I know tomorrow is going to come and I know Brother King has explained Bible prophesies in a reasonable and common sense way and I’ll continue to read anything he writes. Yay, Rag & Bone Man has won a Brit award for his brilliant song, Human. Sorry about that Burt, I know that was off topic but it was exciting and that song makes me want to cry! I’ve kept quiet about what I knew about Victor Field and his bonkers ideas as Annie was my friend and I thought well, if that’s what she believes that’s her business but then there was Francis and his comment then Teleologist appeared and there was the others joining that man’s sect that was the tipping point for me…I wasn’t staying quiet anymore! Enough already! I hope come April 12th and it’s just another day towards the Paradise earth and Victor hasn’t brewed a huge pan of Kool Aid and certain people come to their senses….btw, I said April 12 deliberately.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              “POW” I agree it reekes of Victor Field and his nonsense.

            • Beverly kenyon

              I don’t even want to say that man’s name Bklyn Kevin as I feel it’s giving him credence but I’m going to have to give Francis the benefit of the doubt but still find it odd that he’s talking about choosing slaves in ‘Spring’ the equinox and that Victor Field is saying to his followers…and that’s what they are…that the Great Day of Jehovah starts on Memorial evening and the GT has already happened! I must have been in a cave when that happened as I have no recollection of it!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You say you are proud of your faith but in which way are you proud?

              I mean are you like the Pharisee who stood and began to pray these things to himself, saying -‘O God, I thank you I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector or are you like the tax collector standing at a distance who was not willing to even raise his eyes heavenward, but kept beating his breast, saying, ‘O God, be gracious to me a sinner.’
              Read more> Luke 18:9-14.https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/luke/18/#v42018011

              I think Burt identified your character quite well when he Suggested you are condescending and pomposity personified.

              Burt Reynolds Francis Bencharles • 2 days ago

              There are no half truths as you are suggesting here. All you have illustrated here is a cheap sense of condescending mockery and a lack of understanding that does not even have the support of vocabulary to be even mildly offensive. The message is not the inadequacies of the watchtower at all. That is simply a by-product of truth. The truth stands alone and is not dependant on downing the watchtower in the least. If it were, the watchtower would be in ruins already. All you have in your ‘spiritual warfare’ armoury is the damp powder of pomposity personified.

            • Francis Bencharles

              I’ll leave the fighting to you and BK. Your intellect is obviously superior to mine and all I have in my bag is pomposity.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Francis I beg to differ with you our intellects are not superior to yours or anybody else for that matter, don’t get me wrong I know you’re being sarcastic when you made this statement above however it appears that our abilities to reason on the scriptures coherently is superior and you know why? Because we don’t let pride get in the way and we are willing to accept our own faults and try to improve ourselves based on what the bible actually says, in other words we deeply heed the advice from the Apostle Paul when he advised us to make sure of all things and to test every inspires expression and in fact that’s what we have done concerning your speculation and you have been found wanting.
              Now enough is enough no more childish games concerning who is superior and who is not because we all are nothing but sinful humans since the day we were born and are bound to make mistakes, now Francis I’ve read a lot of your post and I think you’re a very intelligent man and in fact I do agree with a lot you say especially when you back it up with scriptures as to prove your point however when you come along with predictions that can’t be backed up by the bible , that’s when we part ways but it doesn’t have to be that way instead we can all search the scriptures as to make sure of all things and test every inspired expression against the bible to conclude what the real truth is in other words let’s leave our pride aside as well as our differences and recognize that the bible has the final say as well as authority to conclude what the truth is and not our own opinions unless of course it’s based on what the bible teaches.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You’re absolutely right no matter what you say in order to twist the scriptures around to your advantage you will not be able to nullify what Jesus clearly stated when he said “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son,but only the Father.

              And also I think it’s very possible now that Jesus has been in heaven for the last 2000 years perhaps he does know the day and hour although the scriptures do not confirm that thought.

              Now for argument’s sake lets suppose Jesus does know that day and hour because he has been in heaven for 2000 years and should know but still nonetheless he clearly told his disciples that it does not belong to them to get the knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own (jurisdiction;) Acts 1:7

              So that would mean his disciples as well as his future chosen ones would not know the day or the hour and in fact Jesus clearly stated that if the householder / anointed had known what watch the thief / Jesus was coming, he the anointed would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into.

              So this statement clearly shows that the anointed would not know the day or the hour, so if the anointed don’t know the day or hour how is it possible for you Francis to know and make such a prediction that Jesus will be here in the spring?

              Acts 1:7
              He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction;

              Matthew 24:43-44.
              But know one thing, that if the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming,he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into.
              On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, [WHY? ] because
              (at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

              Now Francis please don’t even bother replying back if you do not have any scriptural proof in order to verify your absurd statements.

            • Francis Bencharles

              No, your off the hook but tell me yes or no, did you even bother to look up the scripture in your interlinear to see what it actually says? Most never do. I don’t know why, but most don’t even look it up. If you did, bravo to you.

            • Song of Hannah

              Yes, it’s crazy to assert that every Bible translator in history has translated Matt 24:36 as having one meaning, but here comes a layman with no formal training in Biblical Greek proclaiming they’ve got it all wrong, by golly! Because they got the right meaning simply by reading it in their interlinear. I’m sorry but the ignorance of it all is astounding. SMH!

              Great reasoning btw Kevin! It also came to my mind, even in Revelation a few times, Jesus warns his anointed followers he is coming without warning – “as a thief”.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Love and affection to you if you were wounded by WTS

            • Francis Bencharles

              There is nothing that the WTS can do to me. I am not a disciple of the WTS but am a disciple of Christ. I was a JW for about 30 years. I found out about the U.N. NGO affair while doing some personal research. I was also doing research on the child abuse issue. After 3 years of intense research into both I disassociated myself in July 2006 and have not looked back. I have continued my Bible study and research since then and have uncovered many wonderful truths from God’s Word. I have learned some important lessons in my reading of Robert’s material and am thankful for that as well. Robert is correct in the conclusion that was reached in his last commentary. Jerusalem’s (which is the WT and not Christendom) days are numbered. They have already been cast off by Jehovah and that will become apparent very soon. Keep on the watch and you will see the deliverance of God.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Great I accept you as my friend. Thank you my brother. By the by where are you from I want to know from you and know more about you thank you.

            • Francis Bencharles

              I currently live in the Philadelphia, PA area. I am trained as an RN-BSN and worked in psychiatric nursing mostly with some surgical nursing and about two years in Long Term Care nursing (nursing homes). I am currently on permanent disability and not employed due to needing hemo-dialysis three times per week for six hours each treatment and a constant feeling of being beat since my kidneys failed in 2013-14.. Other than that, I am doing just fine. I think I posted in a previous post, but if that was not this site, I dis-associated myself as a witness in July 2006 after about three years of thorough research about the Socieities U.N. debacle and their indefensible stance on child abuse. They have made some necessary changes but fell short of repentance in regard to the child abuse issue and have never taken the least responsibility for their actions in the U.N. issue and it’s horrible aftermath of dis-fellowshippings of “opposers”. The Society is blood guilty and I think they know it. They think that by “good works” their sins can be washed away and they can continue as “God’s Covenant People”. It doesn’t work that way. You can’t be an un-repentant sinner and in a covenant of salvation with God at the same time. We are all sinners and fall short everyday sometimes, but we repent and earnestly seek God’s forgiveness and if our sin is severe and well known our repentance should be public and sincere.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              I felt very bad after learning about your health status because I too am a human so I can feel the pain of others because whenever some one says their problems I first see myself by letting my legs into their shoes yes by that I felt your pain because I have seen the pain other suffering due to kidney failure. My father will always tell me in Kannada language as Modhalu Maanavanaagu = First become human. To become human means to look into others pain and try to help them. This is nothing but the teachings of Jesus in a nut shell. By the by how you do all these spiritual works in spite of all these problems. I got encouraged from you. I like to learn to keep my kidneys healthy any suggestion on that I will accept. May Jehovah bless you forever in paradise by eliminating all your present problems and I will pray for you.

            • Francis Bencharles

              Hi B of NK:

              I am sorry that I have not answered you before this, but I honestly missed your response. I don’t think I know the totally correct way of keeping track of conversations. My kidney disease was a long, slow process and I didn’t take charge of it and eventually I had to pay the price of that neglect. Nurses and Doctors are the worst patients.

              Kidney disease can come from many directions. High blood pressure is a major factor in many people contracting kidney failure. It could be the artery feeding the kidney is too narrow or just overall high blood pressure. Drug use and chemical exposure can also bring on kidney failure. Like most things kidney illness can be detected in its infancy with routine tests. Then, if you follow the MD’s advice or perhaps a good diet with healthful exercise you can turn it around.

              My kidney disease was slow but sure and I was neglectful in taking the early and intermediate symptoms seriously enough. So, if you don’t want to end up on kidney dialysis show respect that I did not and take every step that you can to alter your condition just like you might with any other medical challenge.

              I am confident though that Jehovah will overlook my sins and the way I disrespected his gift to me. I have matured a great deal and I am fairly confident that I will show more respect for life the next time around. I look forward to that time and can’t wait to get started. I wish you the best as well and I appreciate your comments to me very much.

              Frank

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Yes I got your point and I hear you here.I love you as my own brother sincerely. May Jehovah bless you forever in paradise by eliminating all your present problems and I will pray for you yes sincerely.

            • Francis Bencharles

              You sound like an extremely loving person. It is my honor to know you Basavaraj. I don’t think my physical problems will be resolved this side of the Kingdom, but I am faithful that they will be in the Kingdom of God, that I do not doubt. As to your loving concern, I am so thankful that there are persons like you even this side of the Kingdom. Don’t ever lose that loving concern for others, it is a real blessing.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              It is always said to share your happiness with others, but I search persons and invite him/her to share his/her pain, that quality is what is called in our Kannada language as Modhalu Maanavanaagu = First become human. My father always used to tell this and it indirectly mean Jesus’ life because Jesus himself bore our pain and sickness. If I read Isaiah:53:4-5 I get tears which is also reflected in Mat:8:17. You said It is my honor to know you Basavaraj. OK but I learn from you how to remain in faith. But above all the things even though I listen to the people with problems, I don’t think of myself great, because I remember Luke:17:10: Likewise,
              when you have done all the things assigned to you, say: ‘We are
              good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have
              done.’”That is why I say to you once again I love you.May Jehovah be with you. Contact me in easajw@gmail.com

        • Burt Reynolds

          How can the unfaithful slave not be aware of the belongings of Jesus being taken away from them? This does not make any sense to me. How can a judgement be effective if the judged is not aware of their transgression. Further, how will those sheep affected, if the faithful slave is not aware of , and they not aware of the faithful slave, know where or whom that faithful slave is? You mention those in the salvation covenant: in all my years as a witness, I did not meet one person that understood the issues here described, and thus they are ignorant of them. And neither did any of the congregations. This being the case, how will they then be ready? Again, I never met anyone outside of the watchtower that had an inkling of the faithful and discreet slave and the evil slave, not in church of England, the Catholics, the evangelicals etc etc, and so how will they be ready for this enlightenment come the memorial? Where is your biblical proof, your biblical arguement that is consistent with the scriptures and has continuity? ‘To be ready come the memorial, because if you don’t……etc,’ simply smacks of the old threats of hellfire teaching that had, and always had, the the interest of the speaker to the forefront, and the need to hold power through knowledge, factual or not, (and in this case not). And there was never any sound biblical knowledge to support it, just sound bites, just like the watchtower. It amazes me how simple it is for people to run after vomitous claptrap. The bible says that no one knows the hour. But you have it down to the 11 April. Well, prove it. If you know the hour like Victor and Annie, then you can prove it from the bible. And if what Victor and Annie have is ‘the food at the proper time’ well I’ve seen better better food in a McDonald’s wheelie bin than I have from them and for that matter, even in a back street soup kitchen. And yes, I’ve been in both.

          • Song of Hannah

            Gotta love ya Burt! Great reply. ??

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Nice to hear from you sister Hannah we have missed you!.

            • Song of Hannah

              Thanks Kevin! Missed all of you too! Life’s been crazy. And I do mean CRAZY. But I’m in the eye of the storm right now, which gave me a chance to pop on here, get some spiritual food and catch up with you all. ?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Bloomin heck Song ofHannah, it sounds crazy scary, hope you’re gonna be alright and loved how you broke everything down in your post, I got a clearer picture of the article and the bit about the ‘evil slave who like Judas is indiscernible to the rest’ which neatly sums up the deluding influence the witnesses are labouring under. Stay safe.

            • Song of Hannah

              Aw thanks Bev! You are such a keen lady, sis. You can read between the lines and deduce things with uncanny ability. (So much so, don’t say too much more or you may blow my cover! lol! ?)

              All kidding aside, I sure love you folks! Most days I am able to set aside time to read an article and maybe a few comments, but rarely find time beyond that. Then when I do, there is so much catching up to do! I truly do feel more edified here than the KH. (Consequently my purpose for going to the KH has totally changed – now much more in line with the counsel in Heb 10:24-25, come to think of it…?).

            • Beverly kenyon

              While things are a bit calm for you Song of Hannah, re-energise for the next round and stay safe and take care…you’re cruising! We do miss you.

          • Francis Bencharles

            Hi Burt: I don’t think I mentioned April 11, that’s all you it appears. Let me ask you, did the Jews realize that their worship at the temple and that the “constant offerings” given every morning and night at the temple were no longer accepted by Jehovah God after Jesus gave his life as a ransom? No, the faithful Jews who missed out on the Lord and his sacrifice and it’s meaning and just kept worshiping God the same way that they had for millenia before. Then 36.5 years later it became apparent for all when God brought Titus and the Jews to Jerusalem and they burnt the temple to the ground and destroyed all the genealogical records with the Temple. The same is true of the Watchtower. They have been stripped of their baptism of repentance (how can you oversee a baptism of repentance when you are an unrepentant sinner?). Yes, all of Jesus belongings have been taken from the Evil Slave and given over to those ones doing the will of the Father. It will become evident for all when the “Wall” of the Watchtower is destroyed and Jesus calls a the faithful ones out of the Watchtower and shows them the way they are to walk. Keep your eyes and ears opened Burt, Jesus is about to come through his wife to gather the faithful along with the remnant of his wife which are now all trapped in the Watchtower. Listen for the call and don’t miss out.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Why are you twisting words? You said two days ago, come this spring we,ll have to make a choice between two slaves, or words to that effect! Spring, 11th April, what’s the difference, it’s the same thing! Now who can trust what you say when you’re being snide with words. There’s a lot of ex JW sites, go get recruits from there and go argue the toss with those ones as they have a lot to say for themselves….forever playing the victim!

            • Francis Bencharles

              Beverly:

              Down girl. Easy! If you want to get technical Spring is from the equinox which is from March 20 or 21 to June about the same dates. I said Spring so as not to seem too specific, which saying April 11 would be. It appears that I am not the one being “snide” with anything or “twisting words”. If you knew me like you appear to from your comment, you would know that I have never played “the victim” in anything and I am not trolling for recruits, just sharing in a public board. Keep on the watch Beverly. Keep on seeking, asking and knocking. And keep it up with that pleasant personality of yours. Lighten up. If nothing happens this Spring you can have a big belly laugh at my expense. If it does, you will not be taken by surprise and you will have been forewarned. It’s win, win for you either way. Why do you paint me as the enemy? I assure you I am not your enemy if you are one of the faithful in Christ.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              Frances,
              We’ve all been seeking, knocking and keeping on the watch. You need to let out the big secret and enlighten us so that our forewarning is firmly implanted within our minds. Let it out buddy……what is it?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ed, the secret is that Frances does not have a secret, but don’t tell anyone, because that’s a secret too.

            • Ed(the other Ed)

              I actually don’t mind it Burt when a few self proclaimed gurus show up, it forces me to open up my bible and make sure of all things like a Borean. Makes good practice for when the real smooth talkers show up during the end days, you know? I imagine they’ll be on every city corner and hanging from tree limbs, and ought to make the Victors and Frances’ look like amateurs which is what they seem to be anyways. Not sure what exactly happened here since I don’t do Facebook but I smelled it coming. Sorry you lost a two or three cyber buddies but it toughens a person up right?. It’s even worse when you meet someone for coffee face to face and you finally have someone you can connect with, then the day suddenly comes when you get an email from them and they have some very important information the need to share with you.(smile). And there goes another one. I like to remind myself that the truth is very simple and I think Robert does a good job of that, but all the gurus out there want to make something so simple very complicated much like a Trinitarian who talks a good talk. It will be nice when it’s all over.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Your are absolutely correct other ed. if it was complex, I don’t think I would be able to stay the course. I got lost in the first mathematical computations of the April 11th debacle. Stay alive to April 12 is what I say!

            • Burt Reynolds

              If you are going to patronise, then do so with a sharp knife, not a sledgehammer. You embarrass yourself and we feel embarrassed for you. If you wish to argue, then argue with aplomb and do not contradict yourself. It cannot be a win win situation. If you are faithful in Christ, then show it to be so and do not display your ignorance of the requirements in such a pathetic manner. That much is an embarrassment to us all and the moreso when you reduce the word of Jehovah to a game.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              2 Peter 3:
              Hence, beloved ones, since YOU are awaiting these things, do YOUR utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace. Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given him also wrote YOU, speaking about these things as he does also in all [his] letters. In them, however, are some things hard to understand, which the untaught* and unsteady are twisting,as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. YOU, therefore, beloved ones, having this advance knowledge, be on YOUR guard that YOU may not be led away with them by the error of the law-defying people and fall from YOUR own steadfastness. No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him [be] the glory both now and to the day of eternity. 2 Peter 3:14-18.

            • Beverly kenyon

              That scripture is fantastic Bklyn Kevin and shows there’s nothing new about ones twisting scriptures for their own end and ultimately destruction. I never knew there was a scripture that described those unsteady and untaught ones and it just goes to show how there’s nothing new under the sun. Ecc 1:9. I won’t be forgetting this scripture in a hurry! Sometimes I feel a bit shown up that I’m not immensely scripture smart but there’s so much to remember and I think I have limited grey matter. Lol. You’re always a constant Bklyn Kevin and that’s so reassuring and that’s why I love you to bits! I honestly think my real Bible education began when by an absolute miracle I landed here on this site!

            • Burt Reynolds

              The brothers and sisters are like marriage mates, they each compliment the other with their characteristics and gifts.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Some more food for thought.
              Now there are varieties of gifts,but there is the same spirit; and there are varieties of ministries, and yet there is the same Lord; and there are varieties of operations, and yet it is the same God who performs all the operations in all persons. But the manifestation of the spirit is given to each one for a beneficial purpose. For example, to one there is given through the spirit speech of wisdom,to another speech of knowledge according to the same spirit, to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healings by that one spirit, to yet another operations of powerful works,to another prophesying, to another discernment of inspired utterances, to another different tongues,and to another interpretation of tongues. But all these operations the one and the same spirit performs,making a distribution to each one respectively just as it wills. 1 Corinthians 12:4-13. Read more>https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/1-corinthians/12/

            • Burt Reynolds

              Such is the clarity of truth.

            • Burt Reynolds

              You don’t have to mention the 11april. We know what you are suggesting. I am confident that Jehovah will let me know if he wants to and until then, I will not be presuming on his continence.

        • what made you think the wicked slave is going to be cluless as to why they are cast outside gnashing their teeth?

          • Francis Bencharles

            not sure what you mean?

      • Burt Reynolds

        Thanks.

      • like your being appointed to feed through e-Watchman as Jehovah’s Watchman 🙂

      • Teleologist

        When was the first appointment? And who are the ones that make up the faithful slave that are in charge of the feeding program if it is not the governing body? The faithful slaves are all anointed, right? But only the anointed on the GB are doing the feeding. So if the GB has gone bad or is going bad then where are the faithful slaves to be found?

        • Beverly kenyon

          Why do I feel you already know the answers to your questions Teleologist? What, no blood question as well?! There’s a surprise. I hope you’re not recruiting for Victor Field and his ridiculous, misleading ‘prophetic sect’ as he’s already taken our lovely Annie and Elijahx7 of all people and 1914 is missing so I hope he’s not gone over to the ‘dark side’ with the reast of them. Brother King’s site isn’t for recruiting ones who want Bible truth as oppose to the pathetic cack Victor Field is spewing out. The Bible talks about a proliferation of false prophets in the last days and Victor Field falls in that category…he can spin his nonsensical and smart words as much as he wants…it’s nonsense! He actually thinks he has a ‘personal line of communication to Jehovah’ and only he’s told prophetic things! When April 11th comes and goes and it will, what further idiotic things is he going to tell his followers? Is he stocking up on kook aid? Jehovah talks to all of us personally…we just have to open our Bible, it’s all there for us to know! So if you’re up to no good Teleologist and you’re being covert, go hawk your wares elsewhere as none of us have time for nonsense as we’re too busy taking in real, truthful, nourishing spiritual food that’s being served here on this site! Have you seen all the articles Brother King has written? It’s hard keeping up studying the articles. And if I’ve offended you, I’m really not bothered! Get over it!!

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Beverly. You are in tune today! A few weeks ago I asked the question as to why it was that, to me at least, the tests that Satan plied Jesus with seemed so easy. Who, of Christ’s stature for instance, would trade a loaf of bread against Jehovah’s blessing? Who would want rulership over this despotic world, full of all its filth and debouchery? Who would fling himself off a cliff for any reason at all…..I’ve always wondered about people that give their lives to a parachute and jump out of a perfectly good plane!

            But over the last week or two I got my answer via Victor, and my other four friends who have disfellowshipped me on the unbiquitous face book. It is this: and I am not saying this is the correct interpretation, or even if an interpretation is required, but for me the tests of Jesus convey the thought of satiation of the immediacy of gratification, and by this I mean, that it says ‘look, I told you so’ ….the cliff….; the sensual aspect…..the kingship over the world……; the bodily need for satiation…..the bread. And is this not what we have now with Victor, the immediate truth, the threats of retribution, the persuasive passion of it all being near at hand….April 11th, the suggestion we are mislead, foolish not to listen to him, and of course, always the case, Jehovah speaks directly to him, and therefore Victor’s way is the only way. Thus the image of the watchtower. Elements of truth shielding a lie.

            They bring the accusation that Robert is a ‘bird catcher’. A deciever looking to entrap and form a following. I only found out what that term meant the other day and this slander too is common amongst those that would cause division. But in doing so, they miss the object of this site. They feel we worship the speaker and that the mouthpiece of knowledge is somehow worthy of praise. No. It is the ultimate creator of knowledge itself, that is deserving of praise. Their focus is on the immediacy of a reward, and not the continuity of truth, and thus is open to arguement. They promise instant reward, but cannot offer certainty….it may or may not happen and their calculus rests entirely on the liquidity of time.

            So are we entrapped? I am not, you are not, I know of no one that worships Robert, and yet all, myself included, are grateful in as much as we are all grateful to one who gives us water when we are thirsty. There is a difference. What one gives away, he does not own. And the touchstone here, to those who look to see it, is that the possession of this water is to those who choose willingly to receive it, and is only made our own, through it becoming part of our physical and spiritual body. Just as the rain that brings it can only belong to the creator of the atmosphere, so too is the truth that it brings with it, the nourishment, the life. This site is no more than a tap, or, if you are American, a faucet. We all know it is a privilege to have a part in turning the tap on but that is all it is, as Moses found out when he struck the Rock and brought out water and claimed the act for himself. When you have to announce, for impact, for justification, to legitimise on your letter head, that what you say is ‘written by Victor, but transmitted by jehovah’ then you know something is amiss. And why? Because Jesus said simply that his people will recognise his voice. And it is that which rests easy with me on this site, in that with no claim to being blessed at all, or feeling special, or being spoken to by Jehovah, I recognise that voice. I check the scriptures. It tallies. Is that not enough? So to all you out there touched by this debacle and pressure, two things: Do you hear the voice? Does it tally with the bible? If both are true, then to whom does that praise belong? I sincerely hope that we all can pay attention to the word. And if you should seek an answer to April the 11th, without wishing to steal Victor’s thunder, I will tell you now that it will be invisible, known only to the receiver, and give birth to four or five others having direct contact with Jehovah. ( I’m sorry if this comment is not thought to be applicable to the genre of this site, but as the subject originated here and has had such a cost to a few, I am just concerned for others whom I know are wavering and with the note, that they should keep looking to the scriptures).

            • Observing Quietly

              Great reply Burt! You are a gem!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Burt, all day every so often I’ve been laughing to myself about how you’re pompous and I have a personality problem! Just keep bursting out laughing! I don’t like it when an interaction gets personal because if the engagement is taken to a low level well I’ll meet you there and it won’t be a clean fight! Just hate when it gets to ‘sticks and stones’ and all that jazz! But I’m okay with Francis as he’s been through a lot and he has his disability to cope with and that’s not easy. Oh, Burt, everything you’ve written in your marvellous post is spot on! I agree with every true word of it and I’m in shock at you being ‘disfellowshipped’ on Facebook by those four…I have an idea to three of them but don’t know about fourth one…please don’t let it be Southern ShaSha, I love Southern ShaSha just like I did the other three, when they spoke I took notice! I was told in an email headed, Do not reply so I’ve been told to do one as well! Lol. When a person starts saying daft things like, ‘I bring refreshment from Jehovah’ and ‘written by Victor, transmitted by Jehovah’ then presents a ‘spreadsheet’ about how things will unfold regarding GT, that person is a Narcissist or has a Messiah complex. And it’s beyond laughable calling Brother King a ‘bird catcher’ seeing as how they would never have even heard of that scripture until Brother King wrote about it in his articles. Talk about biting the hand that fed them! Also, if Brother King was false how come he’s lasted so long churning out articles after articles whilst maintaining his site and also earning a living for him and his wife. Your friend Erik summed it up for me when he said that Brother King’s explanation of bible prophecy is reasonable. I never forgot that because as a witness, I had a lot of respect for Erik…don’t mean to make you feel sad Burt by mentioning Erik but I’ve never forgotten him, like you he was a decent human being. Everyone wants a quick fix solution especially in this disposable world we live in…if you don’t like something, get rid and replace it! For me, on a personal level, I’m going to take the advice Jesus Christ gave Peter. John21:21,22. I’m sitting tight, fortifying myself with Bible knowledge and waiting it out and keep trying to do the right thing. I can’t understand ones who have arrived here on this site and are now wavering when all the facts are presented to them from God’s Word…what’s there to waver about?! That’s stupid!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes I miss Erik. He was a good man and an elder on the inside of the congregation and that truely cared for his sheep. He lived in a lovely place, I visited his area courtesy of google maps and even saw his Kingdom Hall. It is a small signal of the power of the word of Jehovah when given to one, to show another, in a paragraph, that they have found the harbour, and the water of life. And so Erik did for me. I entertain the hope that I will meet him one day in the future and shake the hand of my spiritual brother. As to this site being a source of the truth: this is simply answered in asking the question, ‘is the bible really the word of God?’ And where else would one go. Someone must tell the truth of the word, otherwise the word is valueless to us. And where would you go…..Victor? The Mormons? The Protestants, Catholics? The Happy Clappers? Why not a Hindu with the sacred cows? Or the Flat Earthers? For that matter, why not Colonel Sanders or Ronald McDonald ?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              In regards to where people will go if they don’t heed the warnings as put forth by Jesus.

              Revelation 22:12-14.
              Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and
              (everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’)
              and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be. Matthew 13:42.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Agreed!!❤” if you don’t stand for something, you fall for everything “.

            • Beverly kenyon

              You’ve made my day Joseph, as it’s been playing on my mind that I’m making a bad name for myself on this site as I keeping losing it big time in regards to the Victor Field fiasco! I was going to disappear for a while but then my friend said, you can’t do that as ones on EWatchman might think you’ve run off and joined Victor somewhere in Cornwall, dancing and chanting round a fire on some beach at the dead of night! If what I’ve just said offends you Annie well at one time you had a sense of humour remember and I don’t want to fall out with you as I care about you and the others with you but can I just say that was unkind shunning Burt, he doesn’t deserve that as he thought you and the rest were friends…no one likes a fake friend even if you’ve moved on to other beliefs even if we might not agree, it’s showing concern. I know I can get outspoken but I wouldn’t deliberately hurt someone and I’m still putting on the new personality and failing miserably obviously and I am not a timid little shrinking violet sitting in a corner knitting a cardigan…I just wish I was! Lol. So thanks for your post Joseph and love that new picture…it looks like the front cover of GQ…proper poster boy! Lol.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Acts 18:6 Acts 18:6-A
              But after they kept on opposing and speaking abusively, he shook out his garments and said to them: “Let YOUR blood be upon YOUR own heads.

              Matthew 10:14-15.
              Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet. Truly I say to YOU, It will be more endurable for the land of Sod′om and Go·mor′rah on Judgment Day than for that city.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank you very kindly Bklyn Kevin for those scriptures. It’s a good reminder for someone like me who is impulsive and starts ‘shooting from the hip’ when I can clearly see through a person and I can see they’re a waste of space…I have to say something and I really do try to contain it. I know you had good intentions in wanting to send that article to Annie…I didn’t send it to Victor as I’m not in contact with that person and wouldn’t want to be…but let’s say it wasn’t gladly received as it was from one of the nasty and sarcastic self-satisfied hordes! So I won’t be doing that again so I’m going to back off as as one of the scriptures above quite rightly says. It looks like April 11th is up there with 1914! Really still am in shock at what’s happened…it’s mystifying to me or am I naive?! Not getting it! Stuff like this happening makes me want to study God’s word harder and cling more to the Heavenly Father and his Son as at the end of the day they’re all I have. Ed, the other Ed said a good point about doing that very thing, for when the real smooth talking begins i.e so that the Chosen Ones themselves might be deceived.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Please accept my apologies for sending you out as a sheep amongst the wolves.
              Yes we did have good intentions when we shared that wonderful article with them and if they chose to greet you with hostility just brush the sand off your feet and move along like the apostles did and know that you did your part and the guilt is on their neck. And you’re right it is a bit mystifying when you consider they have Biblical training but nonetheless it’s obvious that their heart is not in the right condition .

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s really very nice of you Bklyn Kevin, you’re a proper gent but there’s absolutely no need to apologise as your heart was in the right place and as a Christian it was the right and loving thing to do. You would’ve passed Brother King’s article yourself if you knew where to send it. Bklyn Kevin I’m glad I could do something for you as you’re always helping me and I’ve dealt with far worse than Victor and his followers, not that Annie and the others that are listening to rubbish ‘worse’ as I still have affection for them, its just I can’t get my head round these sensible, intelligent people we interacted with have completely lost their sense of reasoning and Bibke training as you pointed out. I feel mugged off and that I didn’t read them paying lip service in the things they were saying in their comments…how two faced is that?! A little jumped up waste of space pops up talking absolute rubbish and starts misleading people….but I’m not making excuses for them as they’re adults with their thinking abilities and no one put a gun to their heads…they’ve willingly gone along with twisted words! Thank you anyway Bklyn Kevin for your caring words, that’s really decent of you.

          • Teleologist

            I ask a simple logical question and you go on a long rambling rant that I can make no sense of. I have never heard of Victor Field and what does that have to do with when the first appointment of the faithful slave occurred? Makes no sense. Yes, I have read all the articles by Robert King posted over the past two years and I agree with all of them except those where he supports the Watchtower’s blood doctrine. If that offends you I could care less. Get over it!

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s hilarious! Lol. Well, you got a long answer and I was over it this morning actually!

            • Teleologist

              What do you think I have in common with Victor Field?

            • Beverly kenyon

              I replied to your post with ‘an answer’ just not to your question which if you remember was directed to Ewatchman. Pay attention! And can I just say I’m happy for you that you’ve read articles for the past two years! Good for you! And if there’s no connection between you and that Victor then stop harping on about it. I haven’t forgotten the kerfuffle you created a while back with your incessant questions about the blood issue…proper argumentative, you weren’t satisfied with any reasonable answer that was given you so you’re dead right I’m going to be wary about your motives. You come in all innocent…I’m just asking a question, next minute you’re trying to wind people up because no answer given to you is good enough. It’s like you’re having sport with ones here who genuinely want to answer your incessant questions. What about doing your own research? There’s a thought for you!

            • Teleologist

              Beverly said:
              I haven’t forgotten the kerfuffle you created a while back with your incessant questions about the blood issue…proper argumentative, you weren’t satisfied with any reasonable answer that was given you so you’re dead right I’m going to be wary about your motives. You come in all innocent…I’m just asking a question, next minute you’re trying to wind people up because no answer given to you is good enough. It’s like you’re having sport with ones here who genuinely want to answer your incessant questions. What about doing your own research? There’s a thought for you!

              Teleologist:
              Well, things are starting to make sense now. It has been a year since I have posted here. I ask a question about the appointment of the faithful slave and you come out of nowhere attacking me with a hostile post. Now I see why. You have a grudge against me because I reject the Watchtower’s blood doctrine. What you say above is a blatant misrepresentation. There were no incessant questions from me nor were there any reasonable answers from those that support the Watchtower’s blood doctrine. For example, when I asked the simple question: What does abstain from blood mean? I got several replies
              such as “stay away from blood”. “Don’t have anything to do with blood”. I pointed out that under the Watchtower’s blood doctrine a JW that takes blood fractions derived from the donated blood supply is viewed as abstaining from blood. No one could give a logical or scriptural explanation as to why using from blood is not contrary to abstaining from blood. Over the years I have met JW’s that thought “abstain from blood” meant not even having their blood tested.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Perhaps it will help you Beverley if you look in Sitton’s Directory, 2nd edition 1956, Teleologist: given to arguement for the sake of arguement; lacking in an expressed opinion; wayward, of poor conversation. Whitestone’s Student’ Grammaticular 1687, (printed for Chas Brolling at Pauls Church Yard), is even more to the point and I quote: ‘he who pretendeth upon the nature of good intentsion (sic) to bring forth poor houmours and blighted alarm upon his aqwaintence.’ (Sic). Written before the standardisation of English, (as you can read) the term springs from the Greek ‘telepsiloniika’ ‘to cause fury.’ However, as I am sure telephone will be swift to point out, the word, like many others imported or absorbed into the English language has taken on new meaning. However, suffice to say, he was correct the first time. ?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Blimey Burt, I had to read your amazingly cleverly written post twice as I’m just a Manc who finished secondary school at 16 and went straight into a job so I could buy the latest fashion and go to disco’s! But I do love all things history, vintage and words, I love words and I love reading so I found your post fascinating stuff. Telephone does cause me fury (arrgh) and Sitton’s Directory sums up the word ‘Teleologist’ perfectly in that once he latches on to an argument he will flog it to within an inch of its life! A bloomin nuisance! He also reckons…in a private message to me…he’s really living up to the difinition of his name according to Sitton’s Directory….that I have a grudge against him because of the blood issue he flogged to death a while ago! Like I haven’t got a life and I’m holding on to grudges against him like he’s that important! Talk about inflated sense of self. That person would argue with himself in an empty house and I refuse to answer him with his private messages to me. So yeah, Telephone/Teleologist has taken on a whole new meaning in the English language! Hey Burt, on a side note and I hope I’m not putting you on the spot but don’t you think it would be a good idea if you, Jamie Mac meet up with Daisy seeing as how all of you live in the same vicinity sort of. She mentioned about moving somewhere else so wouldn’t it be great if the three of you made a whole day of it and met up somewhere in the middle. What a treat that would be for Daisy especially after her ordeal beating cancer and there would be the three of you…talking, laughing and friendship. Sometimes you have to get out of your routine and comfort zone and go for it and do something radical and new and you always feel energised and think to yourself, why didn’t I do that sooner?! I’m just throwing a thought out there for you to ponder on…not meaning to impose.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Don’t know if you’re private messaging me as I can’t see that post of your’s here but you really wouldn’t want me to answer it. I’ll give you time to think about that!

            • Teleologist

              Beverly Kenyon said:
              Don’t know if you’re private messaging me as I can’t see that post of your’s here…

              Teleologist:
              I have never sent you a private message.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Now I know you’re away with the fairies! Both of your posts where you asked me what do you and Victor have in common and I answered you in the post you quoted and the other post was where you accused me of having a grudge against you because of the your incessant questions regarding the bold issue a while ago. Both of those posts did not appear in the comments section and that is why I asked you if you were private messaging. I’m bored of this and I’m bored of you so please do one! Bye, Bye!

            • Teleologist

              I don’t know why those posts are missing from the comments section but I never sent you a private message. My posts did show up in the
              comments section right after I posted them but somehow later showed up missing. Look, I have no interest in contacting you. I just want to rebut your misrepresentation of me. It is to my benefit that you ignore my posts as it allows me to rebut your misrepresentation of me without having to respond to more misrepresentation.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Teleologist, We have had some wacky comments here recently and this has made some take a defensive stance and a wee bit wary. I cannot answer your question. Can I suggest you ask Robert the question via the any questions section.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Chapter 1 – The Truth
              http://jehovah-is-king.com/truth/

            • Jamie Mac

              Thanks BK.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          You have to keep in mind there is a wicked slave and good slave.

          Now I’m afraid the answer to your question will take a good deal of study on your part however I will show you where to start in order to get the big picture but you must do your part. Nonetheless here’s the link.

          Chapter 1 – The Truth
          Excerpt:
          Charles Russell undertook to rediscover and publish long-lost Bible truths, none were as successful in bringing them to light, as was the Watchtower Society. Commenting on the importance of the work of Charles Russell, the book, Kingdom Proclaimers, says:

          “Then how did Russell perceive the role that he and his associates played in publishing Scriptural truth? He explained: ‘Our work . . . has been to bring together these long scattered fragments of truth and present them to the Lord’s people—not as new, not as our own, but as the Lord’s.’” Read more>
          http://jehovah-is-king.com/truth/

          • Teleologist

            Thanks Kevin. The information you provided has been helpful.

  • LW

    Interesting on the JW.org site, they mention that many of the prophecies in Revelation are yet to be fulfilled.

    The Greek name of the Bible book of Revelation, A·po·kaʹly·psis (apocalypse), means “Uncovering” or “Disclosure.” This name indicates the meaning of Revelation—it uncovers matters that had been hidden and discloses events that would happen long after it was written. Many of its prophecies are yet to be fulfilled.

  • e.v.g

    WW3 or economic collapse will shock the mind of everyone. The wake up call for the apathetic and the haughty and proud ones.

  • Bklyn Kevin

    Matthew 24:7.
    For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and
    there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All
    these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

    Without a question there has always been wars and nations have rised
    against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms but that fact has always been
    true since the beginning of time.

    So how could the Watchtower’s analogy of the fingerprint scenario as said
    by the watchtower in the reasoning from the scriptures on page 242 accurately
    fit our century without dispute since there has always been nation’s rising
    against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms?
    With this fact in view that would make the Watchtower’s analogy
    concerning their fingerprints scenario is nothing more than just speculation –
    an assumption as It were based on their interpretation and not the facts,
    because like Robert pointed out in his video only 2% of the worlds population
    at that time had perished and the bible clearly says that the pale horse was
    given the authority over the (fourth) part of the earth, which is 25% –
    to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by
    the wild beasts of the earth. Revelation
    6:8.

    So in other words if only 2% had perished during those great wars and the
    bible clearly says 25% should have perished than that would mean the Watchtower’s fingerprints scenario is nothing more than hog· wash / speculation and that would mean the pangs of distress
    when the apocalyptic horses ride is still a future event. Read more>

    Rider of pale horse is named Death. Revelation 6:8.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/revelation/6/#v66006008

    Wars, food shortages, earthquakes. Matthew24:7.
    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/24/#v40024007

    Now a good question to ask your self is “how much more has the watchtower
    gotten wrong?.

    • Daisy

      How do we know who to believe? Paul gives us the solid answer when he wrote to the Galatian congregation:
      “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace by Christ and are turning to a different gospel———which is really no
      gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
      But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach the gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned” Gal 1
      Even though Christ is the head of the congregation he was being displaced by powerful men early days and more so today , by an authority who claims to be Jehovah’s channel of communication—–to date, eight humans. May we continue to obey God rather than man brothers.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Ahhh the breath of life spoken so eloquently. ….’of more value than pearls.’

        • Joseph Stephan

          Agreed!

    • Bklyn Kevin
      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        What a video. I understand you. physically I shed tears. For one second I thought how it would be if I am in that condition. I thought it would be better to die than to live in that condition. But actually what you want to convey? Is it during great tribulation or after economic collapse or the work of King of North? I know you are a knowledgeable man. You look like professor. By the by what is your profession. If you want to tell the message please put more light on this I am ready to hear you.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          The apocalyptic horses riding is a combination of mankind’s own doing.

          People in general are under the delusion that modern science has conquered many of those diseases on that video and that’s not the truth, the truth is these diseases still exist and plague many and there is no cure, I posted that video as to make people aware that modern science at best can only contain these diseases and you can be sure that during the tribulations we will see the outbreak of many different plagues brought on by the apocalyptic horses particularly the pale hors as described in Revelations chapter6:7-8.

          And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say: “Come!” And I saw, and, look! a pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha′des was closely following him. And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth. Revelation 6:7-8. Read more>

          Keep in Expectation – But in Expectation of What?
          https://e-watchman.com/keep-in-expectation-but-of-what/

          Read a lot more> Search results for: plague. https://e-watchman.com/?s=plague

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            Wow what a explanation that is why I did not responded it the very moment by took 3 days to reply back as I studied your comment in depth and saw to myself whether these things are true. Yes your research has logic and it is has correct message, well can you permit me to include your thought in my articles which I myself wrote down after reading Roberts article since 2010. Well I want to share it with you also not now but after some days. Well I respect you. Since you have so much knowledge so are you also an anointed one? Well love and affection from me to you for ever and ever. May Jehovah and Jesus bless you. Good health to you. Well I wrote a article titled Interpretation of Zechariah 3:1-10 and posted in baruq.uk and the authors name is Easach. L.S = Basavaraj. You can inquire with baruq. It is a sample of my research. I also wrote on 12 chapter of Revelation but not published anywhere and why the 7 chapter of Revelation deletes the tribe of Ephraim and Dan, but includes Joseph and Levi. It has deep spiritual meaning I will share it with you if you like.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Hello again Basavaraj. I’m glad you enjoyed the comment and I am also very happy that you compared it with the bible , it’s imperative that we make sure all things as the Apostle Paul instructed us to do, as you already know are very destinies depend on.

              But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing,YOU may have life by means of his name.John 20:31.

              I write YOU these things that YOU may know that YOU have life everlasting,
              YOU who put YOUR faith in the name of the Son of God.1 John 5:13 .

              And yes you may use any of my thoughts that I have conveyed on paper in order to further the kingdom interest.

              Now you said you wrote a article titled Interpretation of Zechariah 3:1-10 and also on the 12 chapter of Revelation but did not published it anywhere and why the 7 chapter of Revelation deletes the tribe of Ephraim and Dan, but includes Joseph and Levi. I would most certainly enjoy reading your thoughts so I will create a room in Roberts new forum called (Furthering the kingdom interest)

              and give you the link and we can discuss your thoughts in further details.

              Room link for discussion. https://e-watchman.com/topic/furthering-the-kingdom-interest/

  • Francis Bencharles

    The “presence” is illustrated well by the example of Phillip and the “angel of Jehovah” that not only accompanied him in his ministry but actually told him where to go, what to do and what to say. He was “along side” of Philip.

    You are correct that there are boatloads of truth that the “slave” did not uncover in order to “feed” it to the flock. The understanding is enormous.

    The reason why Jesus phrased the statement about the “slave” in the form of a question was not only to reveal that there would be at least two “slaves” but that people would have to make a choice between at least two slaves. One who has been “faithful and discrete” whether known by them or not or whether that slave has been “wicked and sluggish” or even “evil”.

    The choice will have to be made at the “coming” of the Christ through his wife and later himself. This choice will have to be made very soon. If the Society had continued with Russell’s first love which was uncovering Bible truths instead of concentrating on increasing congregation numbers and the ensuing funds, they would have indeed uncovered so much deep knowledge of God’s Word that has thus far gone unknown by them and their flock.

    Keep your spiritual ears and eyes open because Jesus will come well before you think it is time as he has warned on many occasions in different ways. You have done a great job at underscoring the inadequacies of the Watchtower and have indeed performed a great service in opening the eyes of Jehovah’s people that all is not right in spiritual paradise and the Watchtower. Keep up your great work but keep your eyes and ears open for the call from our Lord to “get out of her my people” as he is just about ready to make that call and have the angels “harvest the field that is the world”.

    • Burt Reynolds

      There are no half truths as you are suggesting here. All you have illustrated here is a cheap sense of condescending mockery and a lack of understanding that does not even have the support of vocabulary to be even mildly offensive. The message is not the inadequacies of the watchtower at all. That is simply a by-product of truth. The truth stands alone and is not dependant on downing the watchtower in the least. If it were, the watchtower would be in ruins already. All you have in your ‘spiritual warfare’ armoury is the damp powder of pomposity personified.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Burt: I’m always learning something new from your post.
        Thank you.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hmmm. Well I hope it’s of the beneficial kind! I feel I’ve shot my mouth off more than I intended but I’ve been feeling rather ticked off this last week over the Victor affair and the losses caused to blithering, wilful ignorance. Not only that, but it’s left me with a self righteous disposition waiting for the day after Memorial Day when there is going to be a lot of egg wiped off a lot of faces, and I could have done without having to deal with the inevitable sense of satisfaction and which does no body any good. Not only that but it’s difficult enough for those studying and new to the truth, without these unnecessary stumbling blocks being put in the way and their vulnerability being ruthlessly exploited. I’ve lost a valued friend and it’s all so, so unnecessary. Still, this is not the first time and neither will it be the last. On the plus side, What I have had reinforced in my mind is the comfort and resilience of sound bible knowledge that I have gained on this site that has made my ailing mind so clear on these truths that are, to quote the constitution, ‘self evident’.

          • Bklyn Kevin

            To be more specific I greatly appreciate not only your vocabulary but the eloquent way you word your thoughts and also the way you perceive other people’s thoughts and then sum it up without a niche and Robert has that same ability, so when I say I learned something new from you I really mean it because quite frankly I’m no English major and I am always studying how other people write so that I can improve myself when trying to communicate my thoughts.
            In other words your comments has helped me to improve and for that I am thankful.
            PS Burt I don’t think that you were shooting off your mouth aimlessly, in fact you brought out a couple of points that I had overlooked and so again I appreciate that.

            • Jamie Mac

              Hi Kevin, Agree with everything you say about our Burt.

              Burt can be very subtle sometimes and some of his comments can easily be overlooked.

          • Anderiega

            Ugh!! How Jehovah and Jesus and the Angels must be looking down on all of us with pity (I hope) and disappointment (I imagine)…”I’m God’s mouthpiece!”….”no, I’m the channel!”

            Luke 9:46 “then a dispute arose among them about which one of them was the greatest.”

            Verse 50 struck me as noteworthy this read around: (concerning John’s question about preventing non disciples who were expelling demons) “but Jesus said to him: do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you.”

            Cue music “why can’t we be friends.”

            John 13:34,35 “I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples–if you have love among yourselves.”

            Please pass me the bucket…I need to wash some feet. It’s so sad that people I’ve grown to love are shunning and judging. Our “WT personalities” are outshining our Christ-like personalities. I’m guilty too, so please forgive me. Please, let’s hang on and grow together and keep enduring to the end.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Love the cue the music!

              https://youtu.be/5DmYLrxR0Y8

            • e.v.g

              Yeah, last sunday during the meeting the elder that conducts the Watchtower article spoke about to be more polite, not embittered etc. Give me a break !!! some people go the meeting because some of them have problems etc. They need help, we need to strenghten our faith.

            • Burt Reynolds

              What a nice sentiment to read and so true. And the scripture, ‘whoever is not against you is for you…’ and they not being disciples…that scripture has also in my mind, probably not accurately, conveyed the thought that the motive of some disciples in this context, was not so much to cast out demons, who would perhaps happily cooperate under the circumstances, but to draw others away with what seemed to be divine approval of their works. Such is the subtlety of Satan. As to the shunning, of what value, ultimately are fair weather friends? Though we feel let down…my sister has an A1 watchtower degree in shunning…the main feature of shunning is that adherents no longer have to argue that which is unsustainable. So too, in psychological terms, it provides dominance and control to the weak. I had a note from Victor today telling me how confused I am and all over the place, to name but two of his paragons of observation, and thus I am denounced as subservient to his knowledge and divine inspiration. Mental abuse is never a good way to teach, but it is effective in trapping a person seeking to do right, (just as the witnesses, just as the watchtower knows), but who is new, so to speak to the genuine and consistent message of the bible. I don’t know that you need a bucket to wash feet for speaking truth; for having the care and compassion that you do; for the love of the truth that you display openly and the concern for those that are lost. We all need a bucket for feet of course, but it behoves us to remember that it is only meaningful if the water it contains, is the water of life, given freely and the person doing the washing, the love to wield the sponge in humility and not in contentions. And is that not the objective of the brotherhood and sisterhood at this site? I feel it is.

      • Francis Bencharles

        Thanks for your up-building words Burt. I’m being “pompous”, now that is rich?

  • 简约不简单,大气有内涵!

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    What the faithful slave does not understand is voluminous is a very sad thing to be noted.

  • Song of Hannah

    Bam! I believe this post has given me a better and more deeper understanding what Jesus really meant when he said:

    Matt 24:43-44 “But know one thing, that if the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.”

    Here Jesus identifies himself (the Son of Man) as the thief. Also, more than once, Jesus stated he will come as a thief (Rev 3:3, 16:15). And then, Peter stated that Jehovah’s day will come exactly as a thief (2 Pet 3:10).

    And as we know, these scriptures thus link the day of Jehovah and the Parousia as the same event. (Interestingly, Jesus stated in John “The thief does not come unless it is to steal and slay and destroy.” – but that remains a point for future discussion.)

    So then, putting this all together, if the householder (the faithful slave) had truly known at what hour the thief (the day of Jehovah) was coming they would have kept awake for it (instead of believing it commenced over a century ago), and they would not have allowed their house (the temple of annointed ones) to be broken into (filled with an evil slave, who like Judas, is indiscernible to the rest).

    In line with this thought, Jesus’ next asks the most pertinent question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?”

    (Many of you probably already discerned this, but it’s a new deeper understanding for me.) ?

    • Burt Reynolds

      Me too.

  • Francis Bencharles

    Not all of the members of the GB are Satan’s seed, but some are. All of them though are operating under the grips of a strong delusion. One that they will not recover from easily, but the faithful members of the GB will eventually recover their spiritual sight and they too will answer Jesus’ call to “come out of her my people”. Yes, the Watchtower, which was once the Temple of the true God through the remnant of sanctified ones in her find themselves now in the midst of Babylon, just like all the false Christian faiths before them. Do not lose heart though. After giving them a well deserved lesson and punishment Jehovah will deliver the faithful within her to safety and salvation. Keep your eyes and ears open and listen for the call of the Great Shepherd and his wife. They will show you the way that you should walk. Remember, “the harvest is the conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels”. Not men, not women but “angels”. They will “stand beside” you and show you the way.

    • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

      Well Is that so will they? I just have a doubt on GB just like Thomas on Jesus.

  • Teleologist

    When did the first appointment of the faithful slave occur?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Follow the historical evidence.
      Jehovah’s Witnesses and the city of Jerusalem.
      Excerpt:
      That situation began to change though when Charles Taze Russell and the Bible Students came on the scene in the 1870’s. After a few years of intensive Bible study to determine the basic doctrines contained in the Scriptures, C.T. Russell established Zion’s Watchtower and launched the most intensive preaching campaign the world has ever seen, which continues to expand to this day. Russell almost single handedly demolished centuries of accumulated church dogma that prevented people from comprehending the precious truth. Although at the beginning of the 20th century there were only a few thousand preachers distributing Zion’s Watchtower, nonetheless, Russell’s weekly sermons were read by millions of people around the world, due to the fact that they also appeared in hundreds of newspapers. By the time the First World War erupted it was said that Russell had a larger readership than all of Christendom’s writers combined!

      After centuries of domination by Satan’s counterfeit Christianity, as a result of the work of Pastor Russell, as he was then called, a recognizable form of primitive Christianity reemerged. And honest hearted people responded.

      The Bible Students regularly met in private homes, just like the original Christians.

      Also, they all engaged in a public ministry and boldly exposed the hypocrisy of the religious leaders of the day, just like the original Christians did.

      They also clearly knew the distinction between Jehovah and Jesus, just like the original Christians.

      They also began to observe the annual memorial of Jesus’ death, just like the original Christians.

      Jehovah’s spirit was obviously invigorating and anointing that vibrant little band of Bible Students, just as it had the original Christians.

      And as proof of their anointing the Bible Students began to be viciously persecuted by those who professed to reverence God, just as the original anointed Christians had been.
      Read more> https://e-watchman.com/jehovahs-witnesses-and-jerusalem/

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