Should I stay or should I go?

//Should I stay or should I go?

Since I have been online these past 15 years I have received dozens, probably hundreds, of emails from Jehovah’s Witnesses asking the same basic question: Should I stay or should I leave the organization?

There are many and various reasons why Jehovah’s Witnesses might come to the point of questioning their faith. But usually it is brought about by a number of things, not the least of which is the perceived dishonesty and hypocrisy of the leadership of the Watchtower. Oftentimes tyrannical or uncaring elders, unkindnesses and downright nastiness within a congregation, may simply become unbearable.

Basically, all these things are what the Bible calls stumbling blocks. And Jesus said that causes for stumbling are, unfortunately, unavoidable —at least for the time being. (Luke 17:1) For example, in 1994 it became necessary for the Governing Body to address the fact that the 1914 generation that would not pass away before the end, had passed away. The Governing Body’s solution? Redefine what a generation is. Not surprisingly, many of Jehovah’s Witnesses found the Watchtower’s overlapping generations patchwork to be absurd. So, some were stumbled.

Contributing to the problem is the unrealistic view of the organization that is inculcated into Jehovah’s Witnesses; such as the notion that Jehovah’s Witnesses live in a spiritual paradise and speak the pure language of truth; that the organization is the symbolic mountain of the house of Jehovah that has been lifted up on high. Because Jehovah’s Witnesses have such a lofty view of the mother organization —as if it were the very embodiment of the Kingdom of God —anyone who suffers evil or voices any disagreement is looked upon with suspicion —as being disloyal to God.

Because elders are required to give their unquestioning support to the Watchtower, anyone in the congregation who approaches an overseer and voices any complaint, about, say for example, the Watchtower’s long-running covert war on child abuse victims, is not going to get a sympathetic ear.

Without doubt the underlying fundamental error is the delusion that Christ has already become king, that he has already come as a refiner to set matters straight. As a result Jehovah’s Witnesses have no realistic, biblical basis for hope. After all, if God has bestowed his full blessing already —and there is a lot to be desired —than what is the point of carrying on?

The topper, though, is the sheer arrogance of the leadership, who, although undoubtedly well aware that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses, have either left the organization completely or have chosen to “fade” into inactivity, and yet the Governing Body take no responsibility for this sad state of affairs. Their refusal to address their own failures is one of the primary reasons so many once zealous Jehovah’s Witnesses have become spiritually sickened to the point of death.

As stated above, the Governing Body are keenly aware of the slow-motion exodus, which has been accelerated by the free flow of information on the Internet in the past 20 years. To address the problem the Watchtower published a brochure entitled Return to Jehovah (2015). Consider a segment of the Governing Body’s forward:

Please know that it is in a similar spirit that we have prepared this brochure. First we listened, carefully considering the circumstances and expressions of a number who drifted away. (Proverbs 18:13) Then we turned to the Scriptures, prayerfully examining accounts of how Jehovah helped his servants in the past when they faced similar circumstances. Finally we combined those Scriptural accounts with modern-day experiences to produce this brochure. We warmly invite you to examine this material. Please be assured of our sincere love for you.

Given the fact that the brochure does not address any of the aforementioned issues that untold numbers of Jehovah’s Witnesses might give as a reason for their departure, the Governing Body’s claim of sincerely listening is suspect at best.

While there is no question that some have simply drifted away or had people problems within their congregations and suffered hurt feelings, and surely a considerable number have gotten ensnared in sin and worldliness, as the brochure indicates, no doubt a growing number of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been stumbled by the Watchtower itself. And unfortunately it is only going to get worse going forward.

In his discourse of the sign of his coming, Jesus foretold that “many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.”

Contrary to the Watchtower’s assertion, Jesus was speaking of a development among Christians. An “increasing of lawlessness” does not relate to a rising crime rate in the world, as Jehovah’s Witnesses have been led to believe. The lawlessness is towards God. For example, when Jesus will say to those who call him “Lord, Lord,” and they will boast of their works in his name, in response Christ will reply to them: “Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”

Furthermore, Paul foretold that a man of lawlessness would foment an outright apostasy against God as an immediate prelude to the powerful presence and manifestation of Christ. According to Paul, Satan’s man of lawlessness ultimately enthrones himself in the temple of God, which according to Paul is symbolic of Christ’s congregation. The apostle forewarned Christians that the mystery of this lawlessness was already at work. The mystery of lawlessness certainly describes the shady doings of the Watchtower, such as their secretive political partnership with the UN and their backroom lawyering that violates the very essence of true religion, namely to render judgment in behalf of the downtrodden. Even the mysterious subliminal images presented in various Watchtower publications is a subtle hint of an invisible, satanic element within “Jehovah’s visible organization.

Interestingly, many years ago J.F. Rutherford realized that the man of lawlessness —or “man of sin” according to the King James Version —could not be the Papacy or the clergy in general, but represented an apostate element that originated among those recognized as God’s people. At the time he also rightly correlated the man of lawlessness with the evil slave who worked among the faithful slave feeding the Lord’s domestics, but wrongly identified the breakaway Bible Student sects as the evil class. (See 1930 Watchtower page 276) Shortly after Rutherford’s passing the Watchtower reverted to the clergy being the man of lawlessness and in their latest revision of Jesus’ parable the evil slave has been rendered into a non-existent hypothetical.

But if Jehovah’s Witnesses are the true faith why are there stumbling blocks in the first place? The prophecy of Daniel sheds some light on it. Speaking of the nefarious activity of the king of the north, the prophet states: “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively. And those having insight among the people will impart understanding to the many. And they will be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for some days. But when they are made to stumble, they will be given a little help; and many will join with them by means of smooth speech. And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.”

According to the words written down in the book of truth, those with insight and those who have been led into apostasy, are in the same covenant, meaning they are in Christ’s congregation —otherwise how could some act wickedly against the covenant? This is in accord with the teachings of Jesus; namely, that there is a faithful and unfaithful slave, both of whom work within the same household up until the time of the end.

What happens when the time of the end arrives? Initially, sword, flame and captivity, when many more are made to stumble —as Jesus foretold. But ultimately during the time of the end, or the conclusion of the system, Jesus will dispatch his powerful angels to remove all persons doing lawlessness and all things that cause stumbling. Where are they removed from? Jesus said, “out from his Kingdom.”

As foretold in Daniel, the stumbling blocks serve a purpose —to accomplish a cleansing and whitening. The safeguard against stumbling is knowing Jehovah. Ultimately, the refined ones will impart understanding to the many when they shine as brightly as the sun in Jehovah’s Kingdom, after the lawless persons have been removed.

So, in answer to the question, should I stay or should I go? My advice is to know the judgments of Jehovah and love his truth, because ultimately “abundant peace belongs to those who love your law; nothing can make them stumble.”Psalms 119:165

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    • I understand ;~)

      • Marisa Gomez

        If you were an active member Jehova’s witnes congregation .What would yo do?

    • Max

      LOL love that song! good way to put it.

    • Hahaha,
      DJ-DA

      Perfect song

    • Ed(the other Ed)

      I’m glad I wasn’t the first to post this, first thing to come in my mind, better you then me.(smile)

    • Andres Felipe

      Conociéndome como me conozco, creo que habrá más problemas si me quedo porque soy muy tenaz y más terco que ellos .creo que un poco menos que mi querido Robert jajajajaj (ezequiel 3:8)?

    • Andres Felipe

      Knowing me as I know myself, I think there will be more problems if I stay because I am very stubborn and stubborn than them. I think that a little less than my dear Robert jajajajaj (Ezekiel 3: 8)?

  • Luis Meriño Vásquez

    I think we should stay… until the disgusting thing is put into place.

  • Max

    I love this new article! I think that
    the question of leaving or staying at least for now is about how
    strong are we spiritually. Are we new in the truth? How well do we
    know Jehovah’s law? How much do we need the companionship from the
    friends at the KH? Are we the kind of person who needs a tutor all
    time? And what I mean by that is if we need somebody to be reminding
    us about Jehovah’s law let’s say regarding immorality so we could
    keep ourselves clean from that then we might not be ready to be on
    our own. That would demonstrate spiritual immaturity and also that
    the law of Jehovah has not dug deep into our hearts yet. Then; we
    might need some help to remain loyal. We also need to know that the
    time for us to reach spiritual maturity and love for Jehovah’s law is
    limited to the beginning of the tribulation. Eventually we all will
    be left to be tested and the testing will be a very personal one when
    each and everyone of us will have to stand firm for the truth and the
    kingdom and by then we will have no KH and no brother to tell us
    what to do… so it is the importance of bible study and spiritual
    maturity.

    • yeah so many good points here like most all his essays. its hard to pick the best ones. reading Robert’s articles is like collecting baseball, poki’mon, musselmen or playing/traiding cards; its hard to pick a favorite because theyr all good

  • Jordan Seager

    A position I am currently stuck in. This whole thing is more serious than people think.

    My answer to the title, I don’t want to go, I defiantly want to stay, I just want the corruption to go be eradicated. There are many great people at my congregation, but with the teachings that are in place (the false ones) if feel uncomfortable to go and just ignore it. I haven’t been to a meeting for about a year now but I am not giving up. It’s what to do about it though… I can’t just sit here and do nothing. Very frustrating.

    • ” I don’t want to go, I defiantly want to stay, I just want the corruption to go be eradicated. There are many great people at my congregation,…”

      A great answer! 100% agree. I am staying as I enjoy associating with the people, I enjoy the meetings and I believe that a lot of what the WT teaches is correct. I have trouble with some teachings, such as 1914, but I have no problem with so-called “new light”. Hopefully new light will come out on the subject of 1914. I won’t think anything less of the GB if they admitted they were wrong about 1914. In fact, I would respect them all the more for it.

    • Andres Felipe

      You could not have expressed better the feelings of all

    • Noe Namely

      Yes…I feel the same way as you but with a slight twist…a question… If I stay and keep going to meetings, which I love doing… I will have to act like I agree with the false teaching while in my heart I will know they are wrong and openly claim to believe this way or be tosses out. Like so many….I am torn between going or staying. I’ve gone have and loved it, until 1914 or others comes up in a talk or WT lesson. I keep asking will I be judged as having a false heart if I keep saying and acting like I am in full agreement while knowing I am not being honest…will I be judged for, in my way of seeing it as being a liar, for knowingly spreading false teaching, for stumbling someone? If I spread the false doctrine and someone accepts it as the Truth…will I be guilty for them being mislead, will their blood be on my hands? To me, it seems much more complicated? I”m hoping I might be looking at it wrong. If anyone can offer insight, I would be grateful for being set straight! Thanks Jordan for sharing your comment!

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Podcast #1 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-1/

        This is the first of a renewed commitment to my regularly producing podcasts in order to answer questions from you, the listener. This episode considers questions regarding whether Jehovah’s Witnesses ought not to leave the Watchtower organization in view of its error and corruption. And is the Watchtower Babylon the Great?

        • Noe Namely

          What say You…is the Watchtower Babylon the Great?

          • Daisy

            Not completely apostate yet.
            Babylon the Great as we know is the world empire of false religion and Robert has written an article: The Myth of the Fall of BTG. I was reading it this afternoon, and told a sister i was talking to an hour ago how much I’d enjoyed it. The last paragraph will answer your question and when we need to ‘Get out of Her’.

            • Noe Namely

              Thanks Daisy… I will look for the article you referenced and have a look. There is so much I want to learn!

        • Noe Namely

          Confusing….are you saying you are making the podcasts? Seems so, which would mean that you are Robert King with an extra/new screen name? Forgive me, I have been slipping the past few years and no longer understand things like I was able in the past? Reading your response again, I must still be missing the message? I still battle with leaving or staying as I feel dishonest for acting like I agree with 1914 and other things that do not add up… I find myself asking if I will be judged for sharing something I know in my heart to be false & that could cost someone their life if they follow the wrong path that I helped feed them? It bothers my conscience to act like I agree and believe like them, when in fact, I think they have it wrong….So…why would I remain at the center of this..knowing full well that my heart is false if I keep pretending just to be able to remain where I seem to no longer fit. Jehovah is an exacting God I have learned…even I should know that he will not forgive my false heart even though I would be trying to uphold Watchtowers rules…Problem is…I no longer feel in my heart that these rules are correct and are in place for the wrong reasons? Does that make any sence?

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Sorry for the confusion however please take note that I’m not Robert king and I was just sharing his podcasts with someone else.

            Noe Namely said ” I still battle with leaving or staying as I feel dishonest for acting like I agree with 1914 and other things that do not add up.. End quote.

            The Apostle Paul quite often found himself in a similar situation to yours so let’s see what he did.

            19 For though I am free from all people, I have made myself the slave to all, so that I may gain as many people as possible.

            20 To the Jews I became as a Jew in order to gain Jews; to those under law I became as under law, though I myself am not under law, in order to gain those under law.

            21 To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, in order to gain those without law.

            22 To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, [WHY] so that I might by all possible means save some.

            23 But I do all things for the sake of the good news, in order to share it with others.
            Read more> Becoming all things to all people (19-23)
            https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/9/#v46009023

            • Noe Namely

              I so appreciate the time you have taken to help me see this in a different/better light. It makes so much more sense & I Thank You! I was thinking Ja would not see it like that I guess. I definately fear & respect his wrath! Best!

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Al so listen to Podcast #49 By Robert King. https://e-watchman.com/podcast-49/
            Question from readers regarding what should an unbaptized person do who does not believe in the Watchtower’s 1914 dogma but who wishes to become an unbaptized publisher. Also, what hope is there for the disfellowshipped, disassociated and the spiritually weak Jehovah’s Witnesses? And is it realistic to expect the Watchtower to engage in a revival of Bible study, as in the days of C.T. Russell and company?

            Podcast #9 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-9/
            This program addresses the concerns of an individual who is studying with Jehovah’s Witnesses trying to come to terms with the dilemma of being baptized but not accepting the 1914 doctrine. Also, a consideration of old Mailbag questions from 2004. Click here for Mailbag archive

            Podcast #28 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-28-2/

            This episode considers questions regarding 1914 and the potential of it becoming a major stumbling block for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Also, why did the demons declare Jesus to be the Son of God? Questions regarding the ethnicity of the Jews. And more!

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    Hangers on… In 1974 my parents and siblings were waiting for what the Watchtower said would culminated into the time of the end, at which I thought we were already in the time of the end not! So my folks sold our home in California and nearly everything we owned to move back east to be with family and friends so as to prepare for the 1975 big event. Not only was this challenging to be up rooted, but when 1975 came and went without even so much as whisper of the supposed end. I knew then and there we’d been dupted and the 1914 thing was wrong as well. The worst of this boldface lie was not to long after the Watchtower prepared a talk for the Convention, which pretty much said its not the Organization’s fault that everyone believed the end was here and scolded the people for even thinking such a thing, when it was there doing in the first place. Staying with the Organization that never opologizes never admits wrong is a constant stumbling block, its a fight to stay and the same to go. Pick your poison. Before I found this site, i had read a number of books simular to what Robert believes . If anyone wants to fade away or stay with Org you can find two refreshing hopes, one Jehovah is not far off from those who love him, thats the only real commitment to survive into the new world. The other is that by staying you’ll know who your friends are and you will be a big help to them when the real presents of Christ manifests itself you just might save someone’s life and yours too..

    • Look on the bright side, at least you got out of California.

      • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

        Lol..We actually moved out there when I was age 4. we lived near San Diego the when things started getting ruff after desegregation, we moved way up north to what is still a beautiful place called Walnut Creek in the mountains outside Concord California. Lots of fun as a teenager. I do like Indiana and Michigan I’m a stone’s throw from the Michigan State line, literally and winter months in sunny warm states..

    • ‘stay alive seventy five!’

  • “sickened to the point of death”
    ya got that right

    ha i was offered that Return to Jehovah brochure attendung a meeting a couple months ago. i never left him.

    guess not being able to go door to door as much or fork out travel money to get to a meeting offten means your “inactive” & left Jehovah. whatever.

  • “otherwise how could some act wickedly against the covenant?”

    boyeee, #NotChristendom

  • Kjetil Stokka

    You can go, I say go out of all religion, and get peace in head.

    You know you must follow Gods rule always.

    And revelation say go out of her My people.

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Because this boss in religion , they only want your money, and they want control you. They are crazy people, realy bad people. They say we have love but Thats not true, because people fear every day.

    • thats how Satan works. its a double edged axe/sword tactic. either they are fooled and are in babylon or see the hypocrisy in religions and leave God (Jehovah) and search for bible truth altogether. hes doing the same thing within the group of Jehovah’s people –

  • Kjetil Stokka

    They always smile, but What do people feel, people fear!

  • Kjetil Stokka

    Crazy psykopates

  • Tabitha

    The real question for me isn’t, should I stay or should I go, but rather, what does Jehovah actually require of me as one of his servants? We could get caught up with what we need to do to be acceptable in the eyes of the congregation elders, other congregation members and the WTBTS, but as we know this is subject to change, however in my mind Jehovah never changes. PHIL 4:6-9 about sums it up for me.

    • KB

      I look at it this way. If we believe that JWs are the true religion. That’s 8 million + publishers doing what they think is right. I don’t think Jehovah is gonna be that upset about it, he is allowing it isn’t he. I really can’t imagine him saying one way or the other we should of done this or that. Do what you want to do and keep some type of relationship going with him. Hopefully the JWs won’t be so caught up in it when the Watchtower falls. It’s all about our faith being tested. If you go the meetings or not, we are each accountable to Jehovah for our actions. No judgement from me either way. Some of these self-righteous witnesses drive me insane. So I understand both side of the issue. For me, I’m pretty sure I’ve made it clear I don’t give a crap what anyone thinks of me at the Kingdom Hall. I’m there at every meeting, but I can’t bring myself to go in the ministry. I’m sure people can’t figure me out at all, but one day it will be crystal clear why I acted the way I did. I hope it will have a positive effect on some in the future. I just can’t fake it but so much.

  • Bklyn Kevin

    More food for thought in relation to the article.

    Podcast #10 https://e-watchman.com/podcast-10/
    Program considers comments from a listener. Also, questions pertaining to baptism vows to God’s “spirit directed organization” and Jehovah’s Witnesses view of Michael the archangel being the same person as Jesus Christ. See YouTube video on Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?

    Download file Watchman podcast, episode #10 (Right click SAVE AS)

    • Francis Bencharles

      When Jesus makes the clarion call of the Archangel the remnant of the ones who are still held captive in the Watchtower (In Babylon) will come out. They will recognize that it is Jesus voice, they will understand that the wall of the Watchtower has fallen (Jericho) and they will follow his voice out of the Watchtower for good. Jesus will show them where to go.

      These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins.+ These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.+ These were bought+ from among mankind as firstfruits+ to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.+ Revelation 14:4,5 They have also never bent a knee to Baal (The GB).

      • Francis Bencharles

        This is not the current regime (some of them may listen and come out too) but these are people who have never eaten the Passover in the Watchtower but will eat it with Christ because when he knocks, they will answer.

  • Burt Reynolds

    What I find difficult, is that this site exposes the wrongdoing of the organisation, and which is all to the good, but in the same hand, nullifies the reason for going! One issue, cannot be divorced from the other and thus it is, that we have to make up our own minds. Fine to that too. But reading the comments here, and this is also my mindset, each brother/sister slants their comment to how they feel. Well, that’s fine too. Based on the bible? Yes. Well reasoned? Yes. So the fact (for me) is that the only reason to stay is to be there to help those who choose to think. But I am not known in this area in which I live, as a faded witness. No one at the congregation would have reason to trust me even if seen as newly interested, less so than a faded one. I would be like a new follower that cannot understand. We know this. Then Jesus said that a prophet in his own home is never believed and which only goes to show insight into the problem for new and old associates alike. The first step in psychology and social interaction is to see yourself as others see you….except for the fact that in this case, those that hear Jesus’ voice, will recognise it and so it matters not who brings it.

    Do the scriptures give light on what that chap who followed Jesus, but was a member of the pharrasees, did with his knowledge with that group? That would be helpful.
    (sorry….I’m hopeless in remembering names. I could not even recall the names of people who I worked with at times. Very embarrassing!). Essentially for me, the question is like joining a political party. Find me an honest politician. Find me a balanced, free thinking adherant that is not swayed by their party politics of their leaders. And yet I would like to join the ‘party’ and try to convince them that there is a yet better party to join. Something tells me I should….I think it may be my conscience….after all, you do not stop to ask a road traffic victim his religion or politics…you just help…but could you get involved with his treatment at that time? The victim will choose the seemingly qualified ‘paramedics’ who are in fact in this example, not qualified. It seems to me then, that the best course if action is to see if the victim will accept help when those paramedics are not there and will not be turning up! But that just makes me feel safer in my own reasoning and thus is not valid. But I can see myself stood outside the Kingdom Hall door with a placard saying ‘why did the watchtower fall? Ask me how! In short, I prefer the truth of the bible and feeding at that table, rather than sitting on a spiritually dirty chair for a couple of hours a week, amongst those that do not know me and would not trust my opinion. But I wish I could use the knowledge I have been given, if not now, then later. Of what use is the truth if you do not share it? How to share it, is more of the question, than to whom to share it with. At present, all I have stuck on my mind, on a continual loop, is that damnable song from the Clash, ‘should I go if should I stay?’ Almost as bad as Elvis and his ‘suspicious pies!’ Thanks Robert!

  • Joseph of Aramathea

    The Effects of knowing the Truth………
    https://youtu.be/QKs-s23DBEk

    • yeah, Cooper, smart guy in some ways, not so correct in others. good man. he’ll be happy to wake up in paradise

  • e.v.g

    The problem is that some brothers and sisters think that being loyal to the org. Or following step by step the org. Guidance, is the way to worship God perfectly. Some of them are the stumble, the idolatry of the org. is the stumble and the leadership of JW’s are guilty.

  • Andres Felipe

    I have to say that if it were up to me I would not go back. I feel great pain every time I see news of sisters and brothers who have been sexually abused and the elderly do nothing to help the victims. I feel a great rejection because they say to love jehova but his heart is very far from Him. Nevertheless I say that these are tests we have to pass those that we are in the town of God. The setbacks are definitely pulling many brothers out of the love we should have for jehova. I think that those of us here listening to Robert can help at the right time (we know not Now), but in time. Many of us are rejected; In my case I meet with my 12 year old son. An old man took my son apart and told him that he was not happy to see me at meetings. What an understatement! If we meet and endure we have more merit (Psalm 37: 7) because jehovah expects us to obey in the midst of any situation as distressing as it may be for us (1 John 5: 3). Scriptures have more meaning for us than for them because we are Persecuted by our own brothers. (Psalm 5) may Jehovah bless you and reward you for your good efforts

  • Simpletruth

    Great article!

  • Joseph of Aramathea
  • Francis Bencharles

    If you have no specific place to go, stay right where you are, but keep your running shoes on so you can quickly respond to the true shepherd’s voice when he calls you out of wherever you are currently.

  • Frank Haensel

    What about Ezekiel 9:4 when the load is simply too great and you have to show your disgust and leave.
    How can you stay when most of the spiritual food is tainted with falsehood?
    And isn´t it funny – I haven´t been to a meeting for over 4 months and no one has come around. Lets hear it for agape love.
    I feel releaved although my family is suffering.

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