Seeing Christ, Face-to-Face

//Seeing Christ, Face-to-Face

This is a review of the congregation Bible Study material for the week of November 7-13.

There is a stark contrast between the Watchtower’s insight into Jehovah’s past dealings —his purpose and covenants and history of the ancients, and their interpretation of prophecies tied to the modern world. It is as dissimilar as day and night.

The Watchtower’s myopia is exactly as Jehovah foretold in prophecy: “Who is blind except my servant, so deaf as the messenger I send? Who is so blind as the one rewarded, so blind as the servant of Jehovah? You see many things, but you do not keep watch. You open your ears, but you do not listen.” —Isaiah 42:18-19

Ironically, the point at which the living word of God becomes activated (as contained in Isaiah) is during the time of the end, which the presently sightless and deaf messengers of Jehovah imagine began over a century ago. That is why Jehovah speaks to a time to come, to a point in the future, when his so-called earthly organization is brought low. The prophecy continues: “But this is a people plundered and pillaged; all of them are trapped in the holes and hidden in the prisons. They have been plundered with no one to rescue them, and pillaged with no one to say: ‘Bring them back!’ Who among you will hear this? Who will pay attention and listen for the time to come? Who has given Jacob for pillage and Israel to the plunderers? Is it not Jehovah, the One against whom we sinned? In His ways they refused to walk, and His law they would not obey.”

The problem is that the blind and the deaf suppose they are in the know. They claim they have not sinned. They claim to be humble. They boast of being in spiritual paradise. Amazingly, they claim to have been liberated from anti-typical Babylon in 1919. All that remains is for Jehovah to give them the keys to the Kingdom. Indeed, the rhetorical question posed by Jehovah long ago is more pertinent now then ever: “who among you will hear this? Who will pay attention and listen for the time to come?”

Now consider paragraph 17.

Jehovah promised Daniel that during “the time of the end,” many would “rove about, and the true knowledge” of God’s purpose would become abundant. (Dan. 12:4) Those who want that knowledge must work hard to gain it. One reference work says that a form of the Hebrew verb “rove about” conveys the idea of someone examining a book very carefully and thoroughly. No matter how thoroughly we examine the Bible, though, we cannot properly understand truths about the Kingdom unless Jehovah grants us that privilege.

The last sentence states a very important truth. No one can understand the things that God has concealed unless the Revealer of secrets grants that privilege.

Daniel himself demonstrated the truth of the matter. It was only he who was able to decipher Nebuchadnezzar’s prophetic dreams, when all of the conjurers and wise men were completely befuddled. And it was Daniel who was told to seal up the book until the time of the end. That means that only God can unseal the book. The question is, has Jehovah opened the minds of the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses to understand the things that have been concealed from time immemorial? First, consider the next paragraph:

Just as Jehovah progressively revealed truths about the Kingdom in the period leading up to 1914, he continues to do so during the time of the end. As Chapters 4 and 5 of this book will show, over the past 100 years, God’s people have had to adjust their understanding on a number of occasions. Does that fact mean that they do not have Jehovah’s backing? On the contrary! He supports them. Why? Because those who fear Jehovah have displayed two qualities that he loves—faith and humility. (Heb. 11:6; Jas. 4:6) Jehovah’s servants have faith that all the promises in God’s Word will come true. They show humility when they admit that they misunderstood exactly how those promises would be fulfilled. That humble attitude is reflected in the March 1, 1925, issue of The Watch Tower, which said: “We know that the Lord is his own interpreter, that he will interpret his Word to his people in his own good way and in his own due time.”

Truth rovers would do well to keep in mind that God has never concealed the basic truth. It has always been available to any honest-hearted, diligent searcher. And that is what the original Bible Students were and that is why they were able to understand the basic truth that the churches had obfuscated. But prophecy is another matter. And while humility is certainly a factor in accepting the truth, is it really humility to boast of our humble attitude? Now, consider the next paragraph:

When the Kingdom was established in 1914, God’s people had only partial knowledge of how prophecies relating to the Kingdom would be carried out. (1 Cor. 13:9, 10, 12) In our zeal to see God’s promises fulfilled, we have on occasion drawn wrong conclusions. Over the years, the wisdom of another statement made in The Watch Tower quoted in the preceding paragraph has become apparent. The article stated: “It seems to be a safe rule to follow, that prophecy can not be understood by us until it is fulfilled or in the course of fulfillment.” Now that we are deep into the time of the end, many Kingdom prophecies have been and are being fulfilled. Because God’s people are humble and willing to be corrected, Jehovah has allowed our understanding of his purpose to become more complete. True knowledge has become abundant!

The first sentence alludes to the 13th chapter of 1 Corinthians, where Paul wrote: “For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially, but when what is complete comes, what is partial will be done away with. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child. For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known.”

The Watchtower is implying that God’s people only had partial knowledge back in 1914, but that since then they have gradually acquired complete knowledge. That certainly is an immodest thing to imply, and in doing so the Governing Body betray their own abject blindness. Think of it, the inspired apostle included himself among those who saw only a hazy outline of things, as if looking in a polished metal mirror. But what did Paul mean when he said “then it will be face-to-face”? When is “then”?

Certainly Paul did not accurately know the whole of it before his death. In his case seeing face-to-face can only be post-resurrection, when he sees Christ in person and knows all things.

Yet, the Governing Body are implying that they now know accurately; they no longer see the hazy outline of things, as the unenlightened apostles of yesteryear. They are presuming to say that they have seen as if face-to-face and accurately know all things —this, because of their great humility!

The painful truth is, though, virtually everything the Watchtower has written in interpretation of the prophecy of Daniel, as supposedly being fulfilled during our time, is in error. The reason for that is simple —the time of the end has not begun yet. That being demonstrably true, it means the scroll of Daniel has not been unsealed.

If anyone is inclined, Beroean-like,  to closely examine the Watchtower’s writings on the topic to determine if these things are so, I have done the hard work for you. While I do not claim to know all things, it is certainly within our power to examine the things held up to be true. 

Take for example the prophecy of the king of the north and south. The Watchtower makes the preposterous claim that during the time of the end the Soviet Union dominated the resources of the United States during the Cold War, when even the marginally informed surely know that the exact opposite is true. Arguably, it was the USA under President Reagan that pushed the USSR into bankruptcy by inducing the Russians to compete in an arms race, forcing the plodding, centralized communist system to devote a far larger percentage of resources to war preparedness.

Amazingly, although the prophecy of Daniel assures us that the king of the north will succeed all the way to his end at the hand of the great prince, in the quarter of a century since the collapse of the Soviet empire the all-knowing Governing Body has not seen fit to revise their interpretation that the Nazis and Soviets comprised the world-conquering king of the north.

As a shocking example of their propensity to bend the truth to fit their preferred interpretation, again, the prophecy of Daniel reveals that it is a sole earthly king —the king of the north —who is vanquished by Heaven’s king. Yet, the Watchtower unabashedly claims that the king of the north does not subjugate his rival and that both the kings of the north and south are on hand when Michael stands up. It would appear that they have not even bothered to read the 11th chapter of Daniel. (Here is a collection of articles examining the prophecies of Daniel.)

The sobering truth is, the time of the end has not begun. But when it does commence you may be assured that the truth will not be revealed over a century in drips and drabs, through a process of correcting embarrassing errors. It will be unsealed very quickly, over a short period of time —like a flash of divine light against the backdrop of the world’s darkest night. The unveiling will, of course, coincide with the manifestation of Jesus Christ, which is what Daniel’s personal interaction with the enlightening angel foreshadows; namely, the parousia; when the chosen ones will see Christ face-to-face; after when, they too “will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven.”

2016-12-08T15:09:44+00:00 November 5th, 2016|WT Review|149 Comments
  • LW

    In depth as always! I await your covering of chapter 21 of God’s Kingdom Rules 😉

  • Peaceful Waters

    Thank you for doing all that digging, your efforts are much appreciated. I certainly agree that by trying to say they are being humble, they are in actuality doing the opposite, showing their immodesty as you say. They do indeed bend the truth to suit themselves. Excellent article!

  • Burt Reynolds

    The attitude you describe Robert is one that has grated on my nerves for decades. ‘We love you brothers’ ‘be assured of our love’ and especially ‘we are diligently working on your behalf’ and most recent, because they have now moved into their lap of luxury, they are going to work even garden for us because the air is cleaner. The truth is though, that they have banks of people to do their work for them, from solicitors and hedge fund managers, down to the humble sister that is assigned to mop the floor, or even write articles for the awake or watchtower, as is reported. For certain there is to be found far more genuine love among the floor mappers and labourers than there ever was at the top. I wish there was something positive to hear about the watchtower.

    • Bobby 6343

      There is something positive about the watchtower, not a “stone” or “China granite” will left!

      • Burt Reynolds

        Ha ha. I suppose you are saying that if the watchtower will not speak truth,’ the very granite stones will cry out’.

        • Bobby 6343

          More on the thought of “not a stone will be left upon a stone”. But I like the way you put it better! I’ll go with “the very granite stones will cry out”! LOL

  • Joel

    Good to have you back Brother King! Whew! We, er, I, missed you something awful!

    . . . anywhoo . . .

    It’s so strange that someone can say how humble they are by “bragging” about how humble they are! Crazy circular reasoning! Go figure!

    • ELiJAHx7

      Joel, I tried to reply to you about the comment you made about connecting with others via a “forum”…do you have a Facebook acct?

      • Joel

        Nope. Sorry. I am not into facebook, Twitter, or any of such sites.

        • Joseph Stephan

          Oh brother Joel where did you goel? Hope you’re doing well!

          • Joel

            Hi Joe. Thanks for the genuine concern.

            I know I have not been around for a couple of weeks. But in truth Joe . . . well . . . I tell you what, Joe email me at joelrod556@gmail, and we’ll talk.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Hey Joel I missed you a lot are you okay. Were you not feeling well what happened to you?

            • Joel

              Hey Basavaraji. Thank you so much.

              No. I am fine. It’s just that I was feeling a bit torn in two directions: loyalty to the Organization, while at the same time “reveling” as it were, in exposing their false teachings. I got a little sentimental. But I am better now. Thanks.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Brother are you an Elder or MS?

            • Joel

              I do have a position of responsibility in my Congratulation of 19 years, and 34 years in the truth overall.

  • NWOBS9014

    Did Robert say the King of the North is the united states and the King of the South is Russia?

    • no.

      • Brian

        I would like someone to explain to me how the King of the north subjugates the King of the south and everything else for that matter, because just prior to this happening it is stated that he comes against the south for what would appear to be the last time (because it says so) and that “he” is not successful, ” it is not at the last the same as the first” (first time that he came against the King of the south)

        • DA

          i’ll get my secretary Gabriel right on that. until then bump down more verses and read 40 through 45

          • Brian

            I’ve read it a “million” times and there certainly seems to be a change of narrative at 31 in regards to whom they/he are/is referring to. This still does not explain the fact that the King of the North is unsuccessful in subjugating the king of the South as it states, so I can’t see how this Northern king can run amok, in everybody’s “understanding” of these passages the “thing that is standing in the holy place” doesn’t get a mention….interesting???

            • DA

              and many before you have done the same Brian. “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation…” and “Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near.”.

              you can be happy that means you and when the SHtF maybe you can be one likely to help inform us whats goin on. i should probably read it that many times myself

            • DA

              i finished my reply i didnt get around to till just now Brian. plus i spaced-off completing that thought till now. read it again

            • Bklyn Kevin

              This article deals with specific time periods when the king of the north was unsuccessful In subjugating the King of south.

              The Coming Global Storm.

              Excerpt:
              Since the original 13 colonies broke free from British colonial rule the empire has been relentlessly working to conquer America and prevent other nations from developing along similar lines. The first war fought between the empire and the republic was the so-called Revolutionary War. After that the British Empire and America fought the War of 1812, during which the White House was burned down. When that war failed to topple the break away republic the British Empire promoted and supported the Confederacy and the Civil War as a means of fracturing the United States in the time-tested strategy of divide and conquer. That scheme also failed, due in no small part to the threat of intervention on the part of Russia on the side of Lincoln. Read more> https://e-watchman.com/coming-storm/

          • Brian

            Gabriel? Gee and here I was thinking that Robert knows all, well I’d be forgiven for thinking that when reading the posters comments on here.

          • Brian

            This explanation is getting somewhat convoluted, maybe a “touch of Lyndon Larouche is shining through here?!

            • DA

              explain

    • Bklyn Kevin

      The Kings of the North and South. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/kings-north-south/

      King of the North Will Show No Regard…Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/king-north-will-show-regard/

      Search results for: Kings of the North and South.
      Read a lot more> https://e-watchman.com/?s=Kings+of+the+North+and+South.&lang=en

    • Brian

      Time will tell what Robert states here as being the king of the North and South, it might not be as it is being stated here?

      • DA

        more time doesnt need to pass by for what history clearly has proven already now. maybe for your stuborn mind to learn a thing or two but not the reality of things. stop planting seeds of doubt with mite not or just because in others that show up here. if you have a better answer then show it and state the flaws in the reasonsing of e-Watchman or go find something better to do

  • Song of Hannah

    Thanks for this insightful article. Although it’s obvious the 2nd coming of Christ has not yet occured, the stage certainly seems set for it now.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    Watchtower has written in interpretation of the prophecy of Daniel, as supposedly being fulfilled during our time, is in error. That means we all believed that lie until Robert opened our minds, thinking this sometimes I feel ashamed because once upon a time I too did believed in lie that is before 2010. So thanks to Robert and to Jehovah through Jesus. This article is fantastic, Roberts site is so interesting that I always run near my system either at home or in my office to sit at least a 1/2 an hour to see this site. Even in my office those who are not even Christians but are Hindus are aware of this site. Thanks a lot Robert your work is appreciated and may Jehovah bless you through Jesus

    • Burt Reynolds

      It’s very good to see how the word has spread to others in your office and how much you enjoy this site.

      • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

        Yes I enjoy this site as if one tastes a Hyderabad Dum Briyani a South Indian delicious spicy rice meals which every one loves which costs about 1000Rs = 16$=1 plate.Yeah I realy mean it. I love this site so so much.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hello Basavaraj, that sounds nice. I love this site like roast beef and Yorkshire pudding with roast parsnips and a red wine gravy, followed by Stilton cheese and Port. Just think….if we both lived in America, would would love this site like a BIG MAC. Ha ha.

          • Joseph Stephan

            I hate the big mac, yuck.
            More like a 1/2 pound Pub steak burger medium well piled high with all the goodies on a fresh baked bun, BIG fat steak fries with ketchup, & a Tall COLD DRAFT BEER !! Ohhhhh yeah

            • Burt Reynolds

              I haven’t eaten a Big Mac or any Mac for years, ever since my wife found a beak in her chicken burger……!

            • Joseph Stephan

              Nasty, 20 years ago McDonald’s chicken sandwich sent my wife to the emergency room via the ambulance. Food poised

            • 1914for100Alex

              One more reason to look forward to The New System, Burt. No more worrying about beak burgers…or bad tuna subs for that matter. That was a bad night. And morning.

            • Peaceful Waters

              :O MacDonald’s is so nasty!

          • Joseph Stephan

            I hate the big mac, yuck.
            More like a 1/2 pound Pub steak burger medium well piled high with all the goodies on a fresh baked bun, BIG fat steak fries with ketchup, & a Tall COLD DRAFT BEER !! Ohhhhh yeah https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c2096f74154adce631a448dab007734354ae1deac6df5a5c5925cd4601cda948.jpg

            • Jamie Mac

              Hope you like Jamie Mac instead he he

          • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

            Hey that’s really good!!! Nice to hear from you!!!

            • Burt Reynolds

              You make me laugh Basavaraj, comparing this site to a curry.

            • Joyce Haze

              Dear Burt. My daughter has become a visible lurker on the site. I asked Kevin if he could give some encouragement to her by means of the scriptures. She finally built the courage to ask questions. She understands basic bible doctrine but truly needs encouragement. She responded to Roberts article on Trump! My wish is for her to feel comfortable to open up and ask questions! Her name is Candice, as her mom I would appreciate any words of encouragement you might share with her. Many thanks, you have always been an encouragement in my search for scriptural truth and understanding.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              I encourage you and your daughter.

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              Hey ha ha

  • Tabitha

    Sorry that this is off topic, but can’t seem to get the forum happening! Was wondering if there were any families with teenagers that would like to catch up online with our two. They are 16 & 14 and we live in a fairly remote area in Australia and there aren’t any young ones in our small congregation to associate with. We had the idea that a private facebook group might be a way for them to have a bit of association with other young ones who are like minded. Just let me know what you think. We love this site and all the deep and timely spiritual food that there is at our fingertips as well as everyone’s comments 🙂 Thanks for all the hard work Brother Robert!

    • Wish I could offer some suggestions, but I don’t have any.
      Sister’s do you have some good ideas?
      Chime in….please

    • DA

      if you find others, i dont recommended just a form but use a instant messenger such as yahoo. (not the in mail version but the program itself)

    • Cocheta

      Hi, Tabitha, haven’t seen you around for a while, hope you are all well.
      A FB group sounds good for the young ones, but make sure to keep it as ‘Closed’ or better still as ‘Secret’, maybe later. The only problem with FB groups is that other not so nice young ones might muscle in, so your two will have to be strict, unless they make either you or Papa as an Admin to keep a watchful eye out for marauders, which they won’t particularly like I’m sure! Maybe one or two of us here could join in a silent partner type of way, then they don’t feel ‘policed’ to the same extent. Hard to say really as there are so many ‘iffy’ people lurking on FB., & so many keyboard warriors who might get into the group & stumble them – hard work being parents, innit? 😉

      • Tabitha

        Yes, thanks for that Cocheta, the Internet is a scary place and not for the unwary. Keven would be the administrator, and he is very Internet savvy, we are also both private investigators, so are familiar with how the underhanded might work, so it would definitely be a fairly small ‘secret’ group that would be screened. It sounds like a good idea to have a few older ones present as well and the kids would be fine with that, they don’t want to get into any secret business, just want to be able to interact with others their own age, just like we do on this site. They feel quite isolated at times not associating with those in the “world” or in the congregation, we all need association of some kind, especially young ones.

    • Peaceful Waters

      Hi! Sorry I just saw this now. I think that’s a great idea. My son is 13 and I would love for him to have “association with other young ones who are like minded”. Let me know what you have in mind 🙂 Hope to hear from you soon!

      • Anderiega

        Maybe just share numbers on WhatsApp? I dunno.

        • Peaceful Waters

          What is WhatsApp? Lol sorry I’m kinda out of the tech loop. Is is just for talking?

          • Anderiega

            Yes…Like text messaging. I think you can do “FaceTime” on it now too.

            • Peaceful Waters

              Ok. Nice I have FaceTime. Thanks Anderiega.

      • Tabitha

        That’s geat PW. Not really sure the best way to go about it yet, just putting the idea out there to see if anyone was interested first, so excited that you replied. Do you know how to privat message on Disqus so we can discuss some ideas?

        • Peaceful Waters

          Happy you mentioned it. I don’t know how to private message yet but I can figure it out. Or get one of the techy’s in the house to help me 😉

        • Peaceful Waters

          Well haven’t figured out how to PM yet on Disqus, but I followed you. Is there a way on your page that has messages?

          • Burt Reynolds

            Hello Peaceful Waters, I’m back on line now. I don’t think there is a way to message on Disqus, but there are several ways that you can message direct. There is messenger, whatsapp and face book. I am hardly savvy in tech terms but I do Facebook. You can find me on Groke Goddard. The pooch picture is the same!

            • Peaceful Waters

              🙂 Thanks Burt. Glad to hear I’m not the only one. I have Facebook too I’ll look you up! We are trying to figure out the best way to get some association in for the young ones… I am going to look into WhatsApp.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha ha, you’re knocking on the wrong door for young ones! Biblically speaking, the windows are dim, the doors are stopped up and the bones creak. ( Book of Burt. Ch.24. V351. ….it’s a long chapter).

          • Tabitha

            Yes I have followed you too PW, but still can’t see anywhere to send a PM. I’m going to ask one of the others on this site, sorry this is such a run around, not familiar with Disqus at all, back soon …… hopefully 🙂

          • Tabitha

            PW you can message me on Facebook if you like, you’ll find me at Julie Dee. 🙂

            • Peaceful Waters

              Ok sounds good.

            • Tabitha

              My FB profile picture is a early 1900’s sepia photo of a group of men standing in front of a house, actually our house. And my page header is a picture of some of my garden ( I am assuming you are on FB, but maybe you aren’t?). Cocheta suggested the forum to PM, but it won’t let me register, I have been trying for a few months with no luck. Who would have thought it would be so difficult what with modern technology, maybe snail mail isn’t so slow after all! LOL

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I found your page on face book and tried to send you a hello message but it would not allow me to do so, also I was going to add you as a friend
              and again it would not allow me to do so however I think you need to go to your settings and adjust your security settings in order to enable these options.
              PS here’s the link to your new face book page.
              https://www.facebook.com/julie.dee.948?fref=ts

            • Tabitha

              Try again now BK 🙂

            • Cocheta

              I sent you a friend request on FB too, Tabitha
              I also tried e-mailing you with your supposed e-mail address on here but it wouldn’t send on account of the fact that the address is formatted wrongly.

            • Peaceful Waters

              Hi Tabitha, I tried to find you on FaceBook… I can’t find you 🙁 You can look me up under Erin Lavoie.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              here’s Tabitha link to her face book page.
              https://www.facebook.com/julie

    • Burt Reynolds

      I think it’s an absolutely wizard idea, but I’m at the bus pass and pension stage and good only as a droning parent. I can give good carpentry tips, and, odd though it may seem, how to get the better of a kangaroo in a one to one boxing match, how to drink warm beer, English style, and how to disable your managers computer so that she cannot communicate with you for at least a week. So basically, I’m good for punching out a roo, drinking warm beer and irritating the boss (and others probably). Come to think of it, that’s all teenagers are interested in. When can I start?

      • Tabitha

        Thanks Burt, you’re in, if we ever get this thing off the ground. We always need someone who can take out a rogue kangaroo, but as for the warm beer, that’s sacrilege to an Aussie! Do you know how to PM on disqus, peaceful waters and I want to talk details about this idea?

        • Burt Reynolds

          Sad to say I’ve not seen that facility. I think you will have to use Facebook. Probably wiser in the long term.

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  • Joel

    With Donald Trump winning the U.S. Presidential election, I was just wondering . . . isn’t there someplace in the Bible that speaks of “the last TRUMP” in regards to the last days?

    • Brian

      No

    • DA

      i was looking for this comment of yours again yesterday so i could reply but didnt happen till now, class clown 🙂
      i saw that idea floating around the internet. there are some tards out there huh

    • Beverly kenyon

      Hiya Joel, I’ve noticed that you’ve been missing for a while now and I hope you’re in good health and everything is good with you. Really miss your comments and your upbeat energy. Both you and Joe Dman seem to have gone AWOL. You both, as lovely Brothers bring so much to the table with your spiritual insights. Hope you’re both okay.

      • Cocheta

        been thinking that myself, Bev, been missing the both of them. Maybe we should start a petition to demand that they both come back here – pronto!

        • Beverly kenyon

          So true Cocheta. I miss those guys…I miss their wisdom, insight, wit and humbleness. Sam is also missing…I keep thinking of him on and off and hoping it’s nothing serious why he’s missing. The way I see it is this site is our virtual/digital congregation/Kingdom Hall and the door is open 24 hours a day, so if someone is missing, just like in a physical KH, we should reach out to them. Another missing is Darren Wilks, Burt got on with him…I also liked Darren as he had heart and was always trying to do the right thing and he was very honest about his feelings. I noticed the other day that ridiculous Chas Longue or whatever his name is sent Darren a stupid poem…well he needs to take a WEE dram to get over himself…he keeps saying that word, wee! I hope they all come back Cocheta, but not Chas! Lol.

          • 1914for100Alex

            I emailed Joel about a week ago wondering where he went. He’s doing well. He’s taking a little break for now. I’m hoping he’ll be back. I’ve also noticed that several others have been m.i.a lately. Hope they’re all doing well too.

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s fantastic 1914. So glad to hear he’s okay. Thanks a lot for letting us know how he’s doing. Hope Cocheta has read this post of your’s. Yeah, you’re so right about others MIA. There’s Rollee…I liked what he had to say and there’s some of the Ladies…Lisa, Sally, that lady in Canada who’s bringing up her grandchild on her own…she was lovely and spoke sense, I’ve missed out others cos of my shot memory…sorry. I don’t do email…I’m not against emailing, but for me whatever I have to say I’ll say to everyone and I see emailing as talking to your friends but taking some of those friends in the back room and talking ONLY to them. I know 1914…I’m a weirdo! Lol.

            • Cocheta

              I read it, Bev 🙂 I just messaged Sam on FB, but he posted there yesterday so he is still around.
              Sally doesn’t surface an awful lot, she works hard & has a grandchild too. Rolee is okay too, Burt left a comment on one of his FB posts yesterday. Don’t know about the others though

            • Beverly kenyon

              Wow Cocheta, you’ve been really busy…you’re like Bklyn Kevin, always reliable and always there to help out…that’s lovely. That’s great about Sam…that he’s still around. That’s understandable about Sally and her heavy workload, she must be run off her feet with her little grandchild. I used to like reading Rolee’s posts I like what he had to say. Hope everybody else are all alright. Really appreciate that update Cocheta. Thank you.

            • Anderiega

              Thanks for posting these comments. Just yesterday I was thinking “where’s Joel?!” I really do care about everybody on here.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Actually, it’s all Thanks to Cocheta and 1914 who’s given us an update on everyone who’s MIA, but like you I was also thinking about Joel and the others. Hope you don’t mind me saying Anderiega, but I hope you’re alright. Reading between the lines of your posts I just get the feeling you’re really struggling. If I’m wrong just tell me…I have ‘broad shoulders’ I can take it…I won’t be offended. Don’t be afraid…be yourself…you don’t need the approval of others. You know the real truth of God’s Word now so you should feel confident in your new found knowledge, with an inner happiness, because you know!! I have my wonderful loyal witness friend for support when I go to the KH but I feel like a third wheel as she has her husband so I’m really on my own but you have your family to lean on at KH so sometimes I struggle with how I feel about that…so sometimes you have to count your blessings. Psalms 118: 6.

            • Anderiega

              Yes. I am struggling. Not with anything I’m learning from these discussions. Not with my faith that Jehovah is going to set all matters straight.

              Last night on my way to the meeting I literally prayed for help to “be a Jew to the Jew, etc.” I was excited about the Isaiah Bible reading, but now that the Bible is actually alive for me personally and making sense in richer, more meaningful ways (and I am GRATEFUL!) the contrast with what “the slave” is distributing is definitely impossible for me to ignore.

              I guess I need to pray to be more loving toward them??? But I wouldn’t excuse an adult feeding a child food tainted with sedatives just because the adult had good intentions. I lived by NYC during the whole 9/11 thing and I totally resonate with the saying “if you see something, say something.” (Like an abandoned backpack on the subway).

              I’ve most definitely “toned down” my voice….when I was first learning all these things and sorting them out for myself, I was energetically engaging my brothers and sisters in group discussions about scriptures in Daniel, Revelation, Isaiah, etc in field ministry.

              But ANYTHING…any idea, interpretation, or question that isn’t completely in UNISON with “the slave” is quickly snuffed and treated like a dangerous fire.

              (I’m thinking of several of sister Thinking comments as I write this)…. I DO remind myself to consider that my brothers and sisters are struggling with their own stuff. It’s not like I’m going to the kingdom Hall broadcasting the latest sex abuse settlement or other warts. I’m not socially retarded. But I do enjoy discussing scripture and CONTEXT with people, but I can tell that “I’m different” and I make people uncomfortable. I don’t know who I am anymore in the Kingdom Hall setting. I have to either shut up (which is of course what I do during the heavy 1914 indoctrination sessions, which is more and more these days) or I try to tactfully share a comment whenever I can.

              Last night I got my very own “local needs” talk. It was entitled “Personal Study.” First he covered good areas to use personal study for: “meetings, build faith, look at our own personalities, and improve our ministry.” Then he said “NOT a good reason for personal study is found at 1 Timothy 6:4,5….(I read the whole chapter later and I think it was stretched out of context a bit)….that we wouldn’t want to use our own personal study to become obsessed with arguments and debate about words. Then we would have a negative agenda and become mentally diseased like Hymenaeus who subverted the faith of others.” (I took notes)…..continuing on….”The BEST reason to study is found at 1 Timothy 4:7 (train yourself with Godly Devotion as your aim) so we should study so we can nurture gratitude for Jehovah and HIS CHANNEL.” And then the rest of the talk was about gratitude and our eyes shine (Psalms 19:8b) when we study this way.

              Do my eyes shine at the kingdom Hall? Probably not so much. I’m mostly just sitting in my chair praying and reading context.

              Anyway….sorry for the long post! Just a little glimpse into what’s going on. Each person has different gifts. My gift is most definitely NOT being funny, playful, or light-hearted. I was a fat, poor, Jehovah’s Witness kid and I was bullied for all three growing up my entire school aged life. Perhaps I’m subconsciously recreating a “bully pattern” because it’s what I’m used to, but I do know that even though I’m not the funniest or most light-hearted person, I’m deeply committed to digging, truth, and learning, and caring for widows and fatherless children.

              I totally totally get that nothing is just about me. But I’d almost rather sit on the bench with a book (my Bible) than play on the court (KH) when the scoreboard is preset to 1914. I’m too serious for my own good!! Thanks for allowing me to vent. How are you? How do you handle yourself/dialogues at the KH or in service groups?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Anderiega, your story is so honest, uplifting and sad. The reason I asked if you’re struggling is because your posts used to be so upbeat, optimistic and over time it’s like you’re becoming more and more deflated, like you’re wasting away. I do have great respect for you in that you’ve stuck out. For me, as time went on, I was became very unhappy, deflated, I was becoming an empty husk, everything felt wrong, my senses were screaming out, things are wrong, I didn’t sign up for this…so one week I didn’t go the meetings…felt bad, guilty, then one week turned into two and on it went and that was me gone! But it’s different for me as I wasn’t brought up in the truth, so it was a clean break, no baggage only guilt that I was disloyal to Jehovah. I always still spoke to others about my religion and God’s purposes. As you know I went back, you and others helped with my decision but Sister Thinking and Sam played a big part in helping me understand about going back…I still pray to Jehovah to keep guiding me as I still feel like square peg in a round hole! I’ll treat people with dignity and respect and kindness, I’ll want to be your friend and I’ll have your back, I’ll like you, I’ll even love you but I will kowtow to no one and the more a person want me to do that the more I won’t. I love nothing better than having a laugh with people who I get on with and who have a great sense of humour but I have a very serious side to me and I can’t deal with stupid! I don’t give much importance to this world so I don’t take that seriously!! As a child I always had my head stuffed in a book…used to get into trouble at school for that and can be a solitary creature…I have to recharge…I tend to get overloaded with people but I love people and talking to them and getting to know them…bit of contradiction. Actually you have got a sense of humour, you’ve come out with some good one liners and didn’t you have Brother King a while ago really lol. Don’t take this wrong, but you need to stop bothering about Elders and Bethelites…the Bethelites don’t know you and your Elders or some of them, seem to pull you up over daft things…your husband is your head. That was heart breaking reading about you being bullied at school. You must be hard as nails because you survived it…you could’ve gone the other way as things like that impact on a person for the rest of their lives…well, in this grotty world! Thank you Anderiega for talking so open with me…you’ve made me feel sad in a good way but amazed at your strength and honesty and hopefully someone reads your post and know they’re not on their own facing struggles. X

            • Anderiega

              Thank you. You made me cry…in a sweet way. ? Thanks for listening and sharing. Yes….I need to just let the elders be. They’re just “doing their job.” Eventually all of us…. everybody! is going to be faced with the bright, clear understanding of exactly what’s going on. And I just need to keep preparing myself and my faith for that day. I need to start being more like a duck and less of a fish stuck in my own muddy pond. Thanks again.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Anderiega, I know you’ll do it…as we say here, you’re one tough bird…so yeah, you should start being like a duck…you’re a beautiful person who’s been through a lot. But you’ll get there! X

            • Arvid Fløysand

              you are not alone in that muddy pond…soon Jehova will make that muddy pond fresh and clear like crystal and then we can see al the other beautiful fishes in their bright colours. And the power given us at that point might very vell turn us into salmons so that we can be able to easily jump all the way upstream …hopefully we can al be collected as good fishes …hope to see you in the wonderful lake on top of the river of lifegiving water…lets get ready to swim for our KING Jesus Christ and our Creator Jehova…

            • Free at Last

              What an interesting accounting of your experience.
              I wonder when the pressure to not deviate from Society teachings in any way became the norm for good witness behavior? In the late fifties and sixties we didn’t, at least not in the congregation I was part of, feel that sort of pressure that you describe:

              But ANYTHING…any idea, interpretation, or question that isn’t
              completely in UNISON with “the slave” is quickly snuffed and treated
              like a dangerous fire.

              In our study meetings we had very lively discussion and entertained all manner of questions regarding interpretation. Could it have been about 1985 when the Baptismal Vows were changed to include membership in the Organization as a “Jehovah’s Witness?”

              Then he said “NOT a good reason for personal study is found at 1 Timothy 6:4,5….(I read the whole chapter later and I think it was stretched out of context a bit)….that we wouldn’t want to use our own personal study to become obsessed with arguments and debate about words. Then we would have a negative agenda and become mentally diseased like Hymenaeus who subverted the faith of others.”

              The above quotation from your accounting surely does smack of cult-like indoctrination wouldn’t you say? It is no wonder that any person who has great curiosity and a sincere desire to comprehend fully The Word would feel uncomfortable and fearful.

              It’s been several years since I attended any meetings at the Hall but I do recollect that at that congregation the fear factor resulting from the the pressure to “comply” with Organization Rules was very high. There were four disfellowshippings and an Elder demotion within the span of about six months. The Elder who was demoted was deemed to be not firm enough in his critiques of student talks and too easy going (translate Loving) with the congregation. Although his family continued to attend congregational meetings, he did not.

              Things were much much friendlier and healthier back in the 50s and 60s. But, then again, isn’t that what all the old folks say?

            • every congregation is the same and yet also different from each other world wide. things take place subtle at Hall’s more or less then others. some are more intune with whats going on down town or behind closed doors then others. when things go bad at Hall’s within the congregations we shouldnt leave the truth nor let that ruin our relationship with Jehovah. that is why Satan works within the congregations to ruin their chance of getting closer to Jehovah, before knowing Jehovah better then they already do. but woe to those scattering his sheep.

              Jer 7:4
              Jer 23:1

            • Free at Last

              …we shouldn’t leave the truth nor let that ruin our relationship with Jehovah.

              Could you elaborate on that thought? What would be some examples of leaving the truth or ruining our relationship with Jehovah?

            • no. first you elaborate on your thoughts why you are asking me to

            • Free at Last

              I’m wondering what your meaning of “leave the truth” and “ruin our relationship with Jehovah” entails. What sort of attitudes or actions do you have mind of? What precisely do you mean? How would anyone know if these possibilities have actually occurred? What would be the observable evidence or “proof” so to speak?

              If you are able.

              Which raises other questions:

              Does Satan have a relationship with Jehovah?

              Has Satan “ruined” his (if it exists) relationship with Jehovah?

              Why are we commanded not to hate Satan, but, rather to have Love for him? To have Love for all whether we like them or not?
              Can we find answers to these questions in The Word of God?

              When reading the Word of God those questions come to mind. Does “the Truth” offer satisfying answers?

            • you dont need an answer on how relationships get ruined because you are smart enough to know without me giving you examples so why should i have reason to elaborate on my previous comment? in fact you tell me, did Satan stand fast in the truth? obviously you already know the answer is no.

              the truth is without disappoint to anyone honestly seeking to draw close to Jehovah. are you honestly seeking to know Jehovah? why are you here?

              Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.

              if you are suggesting we forgive Satan, you are mistaken – Matt 12:32

            • Free at Last

              if you are suggesting we forgive Satan, you are mistaken – Matt 12:32

              I suppose the sentiment you’ve expressed is common among most who claim to be Christian; but is it Biblical and in harmony with what Our Father in Heaven requires of us?

              You do know, do you not, what Our Father thinks of the “wisdom of men?”

              There are many things written in the Bible which seem to defy common sense from the fleshly viewpoint. But Our Father in Heaven, for whom all things are possible, has a Magnificent Plan which will apply to the Whole Creation.

              Isn’t that what the Word of God tells us?

            • ewatchman

              You know nothing about God or the truth. Your time here is down as well.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Don’t take the bait, DA

            • 1914for100Alex

              Are you referring to Matthew 5:44 to justify having love for Satan?

              I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello 1914. You know this miscreant is a troll? She is not interested in the truth, just on getting a reply. Any reply. She suffers from narcissism. I tracked her down on the Internet. If you want to know more, her name is Elspeth Hoare. There is no record of her ever being a witness, or in any of the pseudonyms she uses.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Hi Burt. Yeah, I got the impression that there was no interest there in learning anything new. My main concern though is that what he/she was saying could potentially stumble somebody new that came here and happened to read the comments. This concept of having love for Satan is not only ridiculous, it’s dangerous. My reason for replying was to prove, scripturaly, that Matthew 5:44 was in no way meant to extend to Satan, but I first needed to know if that was in fact the scripture being used as an excuse. Looks like Robert showed Free at Last the exit door though, proving us to be the ones that are actually “free at last”.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I quite agree 1914 that they should be challenged. You did good! What bothers me is that Chucked Out At Last spoils the peace and theme of this site, the quiet restfulness of just considering the bible in one of the very few biblical oasis’ that exist on this planet. It becomes an irritation, indeed a sadness to have to swim through the sewage of divisive devil-speak to get to the pasture. I hate it. I suppose though that this is only the tip of the iceberg and more will come, but at least Chucked Out At Last will be unable to hide her ‘handwriting'(demonic scrawl) and we will be able to recognise it easily. I don’t suppose it is even rates as a test, but it is like finding the cat has been sick on your favourite book. But most of all, you are right again, it may discourage a new comer.

            • 1914for100Alex

              I know what you mean. When you have a good group of people like we have here that are on the same page, or trying to get there, we all learn. I don’t know how many times I’ve gone looking for an answer to something someone asked or mentioned and found myself going well beyond what I was originally looking for. That’s how it’s supposed to work. People posting scriptures and asking questions and giving each other support. Unfortunately you get the occasional person with some beliefs that go beyond what the scriptures teach. It’s always worth trying to point out the error of their ways, but some people don’t want to learn.

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s very true.

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Burt Reynolds

              Love the picture. Looks like Roberts disfellowshipping boots. I’m with you on keeping the site clean of these people, it detracts from my peace and enjoyment on this site that I’m trying to learn from. I’m retired now, free from the world of work and association. I don’t want the world creeping back under the floorboards, I just want sheep crashing in through the door, even the black sheep: they just have to be sheep, great fat woolly ones, thin bedraggled ones, shorn ones, lost ones, even ex-wolf sheep…..but just sheep all the same please.

            • 1914for100Alex
            • why do narcissists like to drive backwards?

              so they can look at themselvs in the rear-view mirror.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha ha, That’s a good one. You are going to have to tell me DA …..what does ..sports, it’s in the game….mean and that gas mask makes you look like you’re 99 years old….you have to be with a 1930s trilby !

            • just a spinoff of some other thing – google.

              hard to find a good trilby these days

            • ewatchman

              Your time here is done. Get lost!

            • Joseph Stephan

              And the crowd roars!!
              https://youtu.be/RaxVwD-HvNU

            • Cocheta

              yaaay, PEACE at last from FREE at Last – what a plonker he is!!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Shes back as Teleologist again. It’s quite amazing for a woman in her 80s. My mother didn’t get like that until she was well into her 90s.

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Burt Reynolds

              You got that right Stephen. Ha ha.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Free at last is back his teleologist alter-ego. He’s just ‘tested’ his login. Round 4. Sigh….

            • Kevin b

              So true Burt. I was thinking the same thing.

            • Joseph Stephan
            • Cocheta

              well, if he’s back then I’m off & not coming back to this site until he is banned. What a crazy individual that one is!

            • then you let him win. use block

            • Anderiega

              It sounds like it was fun. I even remember being a kid in the 80s when we had the home book study groups….I distinctly remember occasions when a person would raise their hand and their “comment” would be a QUESTION!!! I remember as a kid thinking “wow!! a person without all the answers asking questions?!!” It definitely perked me up, but I remember the “conductor” saying “we can discuss your questions AFTER the meeting.” Lol. Just a fun flashback just now.

              Now the “Bible highlights” are called “digging for treasures or gems” and there are a couple brothers in my Hall who ALWAYS introduce the part by saying “let’s discuss what treasures the faithful slave have uncovered for us!!!” Yeah…that doesn’t sound culty at all.

            • Peaceful Waters

              Thank you for sharing. I like how put… “But ANYTHING…any idea, interpretation, or question that isn’t completely in UNISON with “the slave” is quickly snuffed and treated like a dangerous fire.” It’s so true! I do the same thing at the Hall now, sit there and pray and try not to make any disrespectful gestures when they are force feeding us their “loyalty to the organization” bologna. All I see now at the Hall is Nebuchadnezzar’s golden statue. It makes me so sad that they’ve robbed us of certain joy’s, like delving into God’s Word and spiritual companionship. Thank you Jehovah for the internet, Robert and places like this!

          • Cocheta

            I FB mailed with Darren not long ago & I know he is busy with his personal life, but he is happy. I’m sure he’ll be on here soon to chat with us. Darren is lovely & very down to earth & honest. I do wish you would join FB, Bev….yes, I know you are illiterate tech challenged hahaha, but it’s really easy stuff & a great way to keep in touch with all here who are on my friends list there. Chas is a numpty!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Cocheta, do you see how tech illiterate I am…I’ve only just noticed this other post of yours! That’s good news about Darren. Darren was a really lovely bloke. He wore his heart on his sleeve. Hope he makes his way back to EWatchman…all of them that was mentioned. Used to love reading their views…iron sharpens iron! I’d love to make you happy Cocheta and say I’m on FB but those sort of things are not for me. It’s enough for me to be on this site as it is and I’m so time deprived…there’s not enough hours in a day! Plus I don’t want faces from the past getting in touch with me. I couldn’t be bothered playing catch up and you always leave feeling a bit disappointed. I’m all for looking forward, I find it exciting!

  • e.v.g

    Sometimes the unrighteous serves for making us see our own spiritual deficiencies, someone really wicked and unrighteous will make see the deficiencies of the leadership of JW’s, in bad way they will have to understand, but there two ways to respond, with humility or stupidity.

  • LW

    Our time is much like that of Jesus’ day. Jehovah often does things in an unusual way, so different from what we would expect; and it catches the ungodly among his people unaware. (Isa. 55:8,9; 1 Cor. 3:18,19) For example, the Messiah did not arrive according to the expectations of God’s people in the first century, although an abundance of prophecies foretold details concerning him. (Acts 3:18) The Jews fully trusted their religious leaders and thus rejected any Scriptures that reflected in a negative way on them. And there was nothing that Jesus could do, no amount of amazing miracles, to convince them otherwise. (Matt. 15:7-9; John 7:47,48)

    In much the same way, we today have rejected God’s foretold coming judgment upon his people, refusing to make personal application of it, although Jehovah addresses “my people,” and himself as “your God.” Our influential leaders shrug such prophecies off as having either already been fulfilled, or applying them to the churches of Christendom, particularly the clergy. (Jer. 5:26-31; 6:13-15, 21, 27-29; Amos 4:12; 1 Peter 4:17,18) If, heaven forbid, someone suggests that these critical prophecies, including the one regarding “the man of lawlessness,” applies to us as God’s people—his temple—he will be quickly denounced as an apostate and dealt with accordingly. (compare Jer. 1:18,19; John 10:25-27, 31-33)

    We can learn a painful lesson from a young brother I know, who has always been very studios, doing research in the Society’s publications and taking notes at the meetings and conventions. By comparing his notes he became aware of many inconsistencies and contradictions, even within the same talk. When he mentioned this to his wife she became upset with him for questioning the Society. When he discovered this website (Make Sure) he became enthused about what he was reading for he had reached many similar conclusions on his own. He couldn’t hold back from sharing with his wife what he was learning, and she ended up leaving him, but not before turning him in to the elders as an apostate. (She has since divorced him.) The elders haven’t dealt with him for he no longer attends the meetings. He is waiting for Jehovah to cleanse his people and remove the man of lawlessness from his lofty position before he returns.

    • wow what a story.
      they are all going to be humiliated for their actions and hurt they caused him.
      i hope Jehovah doesnt hold back that humiliation and gives it to them to the fullest!

      do you know visit with this guy yourself?

      • LW

        No it’s from perimeno.ca Question box

    • Peaceful Waters

      That’s so sad 🙁

  • Joe Dman

    Howdy y’all. Got a question. A while back Robert penned an article concerning the fds and comparing them to the wise and foolish virgins. And bringing up the fact that there are well over 15,000 Partakers… Half that minus clueless ones could propheticly represent the 7,000 at 1Ki 19:18 and Rev11:13 who would be the wise virgins. The foolish are the weeds in another parable. I’ve always been under the impression that the fds are of the invited but all the invited don’t make up the fds right?. Or are all of the anointed (invited) in the last days the fds. See what I’m getting at? The comparison of the fds to the 7,000 wouldn’t work unless they are all of the fds.
    I’ve been popping in on occasion but there’s too much other stuff going on. Glad to see y’all are all still kicking. And a few new ones. Crazy world.

    • LW

      The way it was explained in the WT was not all of the anointed comprise the fds. The fds is evidently now applied to only to the 7 men of the governing body.

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Actually the faithful and discreet slave title doesn’t belong to any group of men just yet and that would include the seven governing body members as well – because quite frankly Jesus Christ did not give out the second appointment and the second appointment will be accomplished in his authentic Parousia.

        Appointment of the slave.
        Excerpt:
        However, it should be noted that there are two appointments. The first appointment is when the master assigns his slaves to feed the domestics their food at the proper time. Obviously, that appointment comes first. The second appointment is a reward for having faithfully carried out their original assignment to feed the household.
        Read more> https://e-watchman.com/appointment-of-the-slave/

        • LW

          Yeah I was just mentioning to JoeDman what the last explanation was in the WT. 😉

    • Needless to say the actual commencement of the presence of Christ will come as a stunning and humiliating development for Jehovah’s Witnesses, and especially the leadership. It will create a situation that will bring about the parting of ways between the wise and foolish virgins and the faithful and unfaithful slaves. Those judged to have been faithful – in spite of their having blindly embraced the 1914 delusion and all of the hokum attached to it, will then be granted entry into the Kingdom and commence the final phase of witnessing to the world as sealed sons of God – the true brothers of Christ.

      But the final witness will be given while they are in their lowly condition – some literally in prison. No doubt those presently associated with Bethel who are judged to be faithful will find themselves on the street, BEARDED, homeless and hungry. That is the situation in which the sheep and the goats will be judged as to how they treat those who are crushed by the disciplinary hand of Jehovah during the judgment of the house of God.

    • Bklyn Kevin

      “We ate and drank in your presence…”

      Excerpt:
      Interestingly, there are approximately 15,000 public partakers associated with Jehovah’s Witnesses. According to the sacred pronouncements of God a remnant of 7,000 will be on hand for the final sealing. That is roughly half of the present number. So, in answer to the question posed in the daily text — “Was Jesus saying that many of his anointed servants would prove unfaithful and need to be replaced?” —the answer, is no. The foolish virgins will not need to be replaced. In his wisdom God called many, but relatively few are ultimately chosen.
      When asked by a man if those being saved are few, Jesus responded with an illustration that evokes the same imagery as the parable of the bridegroom locking the door to the wedding feast —locking out the foolish virgins. Far from being a mere warning of “what-if,” Jesus indicated that the final judgment will result in some being “thrown outside.” Surely, if some are thrown outside, that means that prior to their eviction they are on the inside. Read more>
      https://e-watchman.com/ate-drank-presence/

      • Joe Dman

        Thank you Kevin. I understand all that. My question was long and i even had a hard time understanding it when i re-read it so let me simply ask: are all anointed also the fds according to Robert? Forget the foolish virgins.

        • LW

          The faithful slave must be made up of anointed Christians on earth. Such ones are called “a royal priesthood” and have been commissioned to “‘declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called them out of darkness into his wonderful light.”

          This is a true statement. Except, it is not proper to call him “the faithful slave” at this point in time. That is why Jesus expressed it in the form of a question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” The reason Jesus put it as a question is because it will not be manifest who is faithful until the master arrives for the judgment. At that time some will be found to be unfaithful.

          So in other words, to answer your question, the true identity of the fds isn’t clear at this time and it won’t be until Jesus arrival that the JUDGEMENT will be rendered and THEN it will be clear who REALLY has been the faithful and discreet slave.

          https://e-watchman.com/faithful-slave-last-days/

        • DA

          while youre waiting on Bkyln i just want to say hey, are you thinking? humm looks like we got a trouble-maker here. better send you to the back room judicial committee. jk

          ANOINTED, ANOINTING
          The Bible often uses the Hebrew sukh and the Greek a·leiʹpho for the commonplace greasing, or rubbing on of oil. (Da 10:3; Ru 3:3; Joh 11:2) But for a special anointing with oil, it generally uses the Hebrew word ma·shachʹ, from which the word ma·shiʹach (Messiah) comes, and the Greek word khriʹo, from which comes khri·stosʹ (Christ). (Ex 30:30; Le 4:5, ftn; Lu 4:18; Ac 4:26) This distinction is maintained quite consistently both in the Hebrew and in the Greek. Some versions of the Bible do not maintain this fine distinction but translate all such words by the one term “anoint.”

          Rubbing or Greasing With Oil. In the lands of the Middle East it was a common practice to rub oil on the body, and among other things, this helped to protect the exposed portions from the intense rays of the sun. The oil also helped to keep the skin supple. Olive oil was generally used, and often perfume was added to it. The customary practice was to apply the oil after bathing. (Ru 3:3; 2Sa 12:20) Esther underwent a course of massage treatment for six months with oil of myrrh and for six months with oil of balsam before being presented to King Ahasuerus. (Es 2:12) Oil was also rubbed on the body in preparing a person for burial.—Mr 14:8; Lu 23:56.

          When Jesus sent the 12 apostles out by twos, they greased with oil many whom they healed. The healing of the ailment was due to, not the oil itself, but the miraculous operation of God’s holy spirit. Oil, which did have some healing and refreshing properties, was symbolic of the healing and refreshing experienced.—Mr 6:13; Lu 9:1; compare Lu 10:34.

          Greasing the head with oil was a sign of favor. (Ps 23:5) The headmen of Ephraim took favorable action toward the captured Judean soldiers by greasing them and returning them to Jericho, as advised by the prophet Oded. (2Ch 28:15) Jehovah spoke of bringing about a lack of oil for rubbing as a sign of his displeasure. (De 28:40) To refrain from rubbing one’s body with oil was regarded as a sign of mourning. (2Sa 14:2; Da 10:2, 3) To grease the head of a guest with oil was regarded as an act of hospitality and courtesy, as is indicated by Jesus’ words regarding a woman who greased his feet with perfumed oil.—Lu 7:38, 46.

          Jesus told his disciples to grease their heads and wash their faces when fasting in order to appear normal, not making a show of sanctimoniousness and self-denial as the hypocritical Jewish religious leaders did to impress others.—Mt 6:16, 17.

          James speaks of a spiritual ‘greasing with oil’ in the name of Jehovah for spiritually sick ones as the proper procedure for one needing spiritual help. That he refers to spiritual sickness is indicated by his statements: “Let him call the older men of the congregation,” not doctors, and, “if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.” (Jas 5:13-16) Jesus makes a spiritual application of the practice when he tells the Laodicean congregation to “buy from me . . . eyesalve to rub in your eyes that you may see.”—Re 3:18.

          Anointing. When a person was anointed with oil, the oil was put on his head and allowed to run down on his beard and onto the collar of his garments. (Ps 133:2) During the times of Biblical history, both the Hebrews and some of the non-Hebrews ceremonially anointed rulers. This constituted the confirmation of their official appointment to office. (Jg 9:8, 15; 1Sa 9:16; 2Sa 19:10) Samuel anointed Saul as king after God had designated Saul as his choice. (1Sa 10:1) David was anointed as king on three different occasions: once by Samuel, later by the men of Judah, and finally by all the tribes. (1Sa 16:13; 2Sa 2:4; 5:3) Aaron was anointed after his appointment to the office of high priest. (Le 8:12) Afterward, Aaron and his sons had some of the anointing oil along with the blood of the sacrifices spattered upon their garments, but Aaron was the only one who had the oil poured over his head.—Le 8:30.

          Things dedicated as sacred were also anointed. Jacob took the stone on which he rested his head when he had an inspired dream, set it up as a pillar, and anointed it, thus marking that place as sacred; and he called the place Bethel, meaning “House of God.” (Ge 28:18, 19) A short time later Jehovah acknowledged that this stone had been anointed. (Ge 31:13) In the wilderness of Sinai, at Jehovah’s command, Moses anointed the tabernacle and its furnishings, indicating that they were dedicated, holy things.—Ex 30:26-28.

          There are instances in which a person was regarded as being anointed because of being appointed by God, even though no oil was put on his head. This principle was demonstrated when Jehovah told Elijah to anoint Hazael as king over Syria, Jehu as king over Israel, and Elisha as prophet in place of himself. (1Ki 19:15, 16) The Scriptural record goes on to show that one of the sons of the prophets associated with Elisha did anoint Jehu with literal oil, to be king over Israel. (2Ki 9:1-6) But there is no record that anyone anointed with oil either Hazael or Elisha. Moses was called a Christ, or Anointed One, although not anointed with oil, because Moses was appointed by Jehovah to be his prophet and representative, the leader and deliverer of Israel. (Heb 11:24-26) Another case in point is the Persian king Cyrus, whom Isaiah had foretold that Jehovah would use as His anointed. (Isa 45:1) Cyrus was not actually anointed with oil by one of Jehovah’s representatives, but because he was appointed by Jehovah to do a certain work, he could be said to be anointed.

          In the Law Jehovah gave to Moses, he prescribed a formula for the anointing oil. It was of a special composition of the choicest ingredients—myrrh, sweet cinnamon, sweet calamus, cassia, and olive oil. (Ex 30:22-25) It was a capital offense for anyone to compound this mixture and to use it for any common or unauthorized purpose. (Ex 30:31-33) This figuratively demonstrated the importance and sacredness of an appointment to office that had been confirmed by anointing with sacred oil.

          Fulfilling many prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures, Jesus of Nazareth proved to be the Anointed One of Jehovah and could properly be called Messiah, or Christ, which titles convey that thought. (Mt 1:16; Heb 1:8, 9) Instead of being anointed with literal oil, he was anointed with Jehovah’s spirit. (Mt 3:16) This was Jehovah’s appointment of him as King, Prophet, and High Priest, and so he was referred to as Jehovah’s Anointed. (Ps 2:2; Ac 3:20-26; 4:26, 27; Heb 5:5, 6) In his hometown of Nazareth, Jesus acknowledged this anointing when he applied to himself the prophecy of Isaiah 61:1, where the phrase appears: “Jehovah has anointed me.” (Lu 4:18) Jesus Christ is the only one in the Scriptures who holds an anointing to all three offices: prophet, high priest, and king. Jesus was anointed with “the oil of exultation more than [his] partners” (the other kings of the line of David). This was by reason of his receiving the anointing directly from Jehovah himself, not with oil but with holy spirit, not to an earthly kingship but to a heavenly one combined with the office of heavenly High Priest.—Heb 1:9; Ps 45:7.

          Like Jesus, his footstep followers who have been spirit begotten and anointed with holy spirit can be spoken of as anointed ones. (2Co 1:21) Just as Aaron was directly anointed as head of the priesthood, but his sons did not have the oil poured on their heads individually, so Jesus was anointed directly by Jehovah, and his congregation of spiritual brothers receive their anointing as a body of people through Jesus Christ. (Ac 2:1-4, 32, 33) They have thereby received an appointment from God to be kings and priests with Jesus Christ in the heavens. (2Co 5:5; Eph 1:13, 14; 1Pe 1:3, 4; Re 20:6) The apostle John indicated that the anointing by holy spirit that Christians receive teaches them. (1Jo 2:27) It commissions and qualifies them for the Christian ministry of the new covenant.—2Co 3:5, 6.

          Jehovah has great love and concern for his anointed ones and watches over them carefully. (1Ch 16:22; Ps 2:2, 5; 20:6; 105:15; Lu 18:7) David recognized that God was the one who chose and appointed His anointed ones and that it was God who would judge them. To raise one’s hand to do harm to Jehovah’s anointed ones or any whom he appoints would bring Jehovah’s displeasure.—1Sa 24:6; 26:11, 23; see CHRIST; INSTALLATION; KING (Divinely appointed representatives); MESSIAH.

  • Francis Bencharles

    When Jesus came down from the mountain after being tempted by the Devil he went to Galilee, specifically to Nazareth his hometown and went to the synagogue and read from Isaiah’s scroll that mentioned the acceptable year of Jehovah. I think that acceptable year coincides with the time of the end that starts when Michael “stands up” as portrayed in Daniel 12:1. It mentions another time, the time of distress which does not coincide with the time of the end but starts during the time of the end. I think Michael is about to stand up and commence the “time of the end”. Keep on the watch. The Watchtower has apparently not been watching for some time now. Jesus will appoint the “rovers” spoken about in Daniel. This will not be a preaching campaign organized and directed by the Watchtower but will be organized and directed by Jesus and his Bride. Their first stop will be the Watchtower. Look out Watchtower, your days are numbered. Those that are faithful in the Watchtower have nothing to worry about, he is coming to release you.

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