Robert King and Jehovah’s Witnesses

//Robert King and Jehovah’s Witnesses

Commentary on the daily text for Jehovah’s Witnesses

Saturday, September 10

The door was shut.Matt. 25:10.

Before the great tribulation starts, all the faithful anointed on earth will have received their final sealing.  From then on, their calling is sure. But think about the years before the tribulation begins. What would happen to anointed ones who failed to remain watchful, who lost their integrity? They would lose their heavenly reward. Obviously, they would receive no final sealing prior to the start of the tribulation. By that time, other faithful ones would be anointed. When the tribulation starts, the foolish ones might be shocked to see the destruction of Babylon the Great. It may be only at that point that they realize that they are not ready for the arrival of the Bridegroom. At that late hour, if they in desperation ask for help, what would happen? Jesus’ parable gives us the grim answer. It would simply be too late.


For the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses the Watchtower is the sole authority when it comes to determining what is true. If it does not come through the proper channel it is not true. If it comes from the Watchtower, via printed page or through the mouth of its Governing Body or authorized spokesmen, then it is true.

When it comes to simple Bible doctrine that is not a problem. Anyone who is marginally literate can do what the Bereans did in the first century, “for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.”

When it comes to interpretations of prophecy, though, it is not so straightforward. And that is where the Watchtower resorts to sheer dogmatism and the tyranny of authority —as exhibited in today’s text.

Persons who are recently associated with Jehovah’s Witnesses might not know, but as recently as 2012 the Watchtower taught that the illustration of the wise and foolish virgins had no relevance, as it had already been fulfilled back in 1918. It was not until July, 2013, that the Watchtower officially junked 1918 as the crucial year when the bridegroom came and the wise and foolish virgins went out to meet him. That issue of the Watchtower also revised their interpretation of when it is that the master appoints the faithful slave over all of his belongings. (There are a series of articles under WT Review that examine the July, 2013 issue)

But Jehovah’s Witnesses would likely be shocked to know that in 2005 the first edition of Jehovah Himself Has Become King debunked the notion that the bridegroom had already come and that the master had already rewarded his faithful slaves.

However, then it was considered an act of apostasy on my part to publish such things. Now, though, what was once a whisper is proclaimed as the official truth, sanctioned by the various committees overseen by the Governing Body and presumably  the board of directors of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. 

But what credibility does the Governing Body have when it comes to prophetic interpretation? After all, for almost a half century —since the Governing Body came into existence in the early 70’s —they had taught that the parables were already fulfilled and had no future application.

What accounts for this near-intractable blindness on their part of those who serve as prophets and visionaries to Jehovah’s Witnesses? The answer is found in the prophecy of Isaiah: “For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you; He has closed your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered your heads, the visionaries.”

Not coincidently, in Jesus’ illustration all of the virgins —both the wise and foolish —fall asleep waiting for the bridegroom to come.

While the Watchtower’s recent “adjustment” may seem like a trivial thing, the larger question is: If the Governing Body is given to periodically revamping their teaching on various things considered of vital importance, such as the parable of the 10 virgins, what else do they have wrong? The answer is: A lot!

Basically, though, it boils down to one simple thing. Christ did not come in 1914. And the coming of Christ is what is illustrated by the coming of the bridegroom in the illustration.

Back in 2005 when I was disfellowshipped the whole process was initiated by my mailing out an eight page letter to thousands of kingdom halls in the English-speaking world informing them of the Watchtower’s double-dealing hypocrisy. However, the judicial committee was not particularly concerned about it. Nor were they moved to outrage over the fact that the Watchtower’s lawyers stated in court that Christian elders had no duty to protect children in their respective congregations from being preyed on by pedophiles, as I also brought to their attention then. However, when I stated that Christ’s Kingdom did not begin ruling in 1914 it was as if I had blasphemed Jehovah. I distinctly recall the chairman of the committee immediately clinching his teeth, as if to control his rage.

And it was for that reason —above all else —that I was judged unfit to associate with the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The last thing I said to the committee as they stood in the foyer putting on their overcoats as I had my hand on the door, preparing to walk out of that particular kingdom hall for the last time, was that there was going to be another world war.

That was 11 years ago. No doubt those brothers assumed I was arrogant or perhaps “mentally diseased.” How dare anyone claim the Governing Body is wrong! But now the world stands at the brink of a catastrophe that most people cannot even conceive —a war between the nuclear powers.

In spite of their claim of being on the watch, the Governing Body see no prophetic significance in the world’s present state of affairs. There cannot be another world war. It would involve big bombs and that would just be too destructive! Jehovah’s Witnesses are waiting for the tribulation to begin. How blind they are!

For that reason both the foolish and the wise virgins will be shocked when all the things they were told have already occurred, begin; namely, nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom, along with global pandemics, food shortages and great earthquakes.

Then the prospective brides will have to go meet the bridegroom. Those who foolishly look back to the Watchtower for new light will find themselves lost. Ultimately, the door will be shut. Then it will be too late. The outcome will be the parting of the ways for the wise and foolish, the faithful and the evil slaves. “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.”

2017-06-15T16:32:19+00:00 September 10th, 2016|Commentary|118 Comments
  • what does it mean for something to be sealed by Jehovah? does he make mistakes? will Jehovah say this One is incorruptible because he is corruptible? no. many are called but few are sealed.

    • Burt Reynolds

      I understand it as being approved. Jehovah reads the heart and will take into account all that he reads there, and will approve….or not….of that persons standing as to whether they are acceptable. If there is a positive outcome, then the decision is made, and is irrevocable as Jehovah is perfect in his decision making. However, it is not beyond the realms of reason that the anointed person may yet undo that decision for himself, as it is for all of us when the satanic challenge has been answered.

  • LW

    When i saw the theme Scriptural text, in my mind ‘here comes another commentary”. But its true though, there will be some anointed ones who will fall asleep spiritually speaking in the prelude to the start of the great tribulation, perhaps some of whom are older and are familiar with the truth, and who knows, Jehovah made end up dealing individuals who are younger right before the tribulation begins.

  • Just keep swimming!

    I’m getting caught up on the first sentence of the WT commentary: “before the great tribulation starts, all the anointed will be sealed” Revelation 7:1-4.

    Isn’t it that the final sealing will happen before Armageddon? Doesn’t the Great tribulation refer to what will be the next global war and the fallout as a result? Aren’t the anointed still only “written in pencil” during the great tribulation? Isn’t that because they still need to pass whatever tests they face during the tribulation?
    Please correct me where I need correction! Thanks!!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      After the Tribulation in Those Days.

      What does it mean that the tribulation is cut short?
      That the tribulation does not immediately lead into Armageddon is evident from the fact that Jesus referred to events occurring “immediately after the tribulation in those days.” Its being cut short means that the nations will be allowed to recover momentarily. That is what is symbolized by the beast crawling out of the abyss, by the mortally wounded head that miraculously revives.
      In the aftermath of the tribulation Revelation depicts the angels holding back the four winds of destruction. Why? In order that the sealing of the chosen ones may be finished. Jesus indicated as much when he said after the tribulation the great trumpet will sound and the chosen ones will be gathered. Read more>

      How will Jehovah’s Witnesses come under attack?
      So, there are really two phases of the coming attack. The first phase will be an expression of God’s anger and will accomplish the harvest. Once the separation has taken place then God seals the chosen ones and grants them full membership in the heavenly kingdom. At that point God will have set matters straight and the full number of “Israel” will have been achieved. The attack of Gog comes upon those who will then have God’s unreserved favor, which will bring about a more or less instantaneous destruction of Satan’s world. Read more>….

      • Just keep swimming!


    • Bklyn Kevin

      Second part of your question.

      Aren’t the anointed still only “written in pencil” during the great tribulation? Isn’t that because they still need to pass whatever tests they face during the tribulation?
      Please correct me where I need correction! Thanks!! .

      Answer to the second part of your question.

      Up until now God has used the Watchtower Society as a tutor, teaching meek persons the essential truth necessary to know God’s will and purpose. It has produced the two groups foretold in scripture; namely, the little flock and the other sheep.
      But these must pass a final test before being granted entry into either the new heavens or the new earth.
      The final test will involve abandoning the tutor when it becomes apparent that God is finished with it.

      Will the Watchtower become a false Christ?. Read more>

  • LW

    Soon the true sons of God will be revealed

  • Just keep swimming!

    Who was it that recently posted a “simplified sequence of events” with a numbered bullet point list? Can you please repost it? My brain works best with simplified outlines that I can fill in the details with scriptures after I have a basic frame to work with.

    • Volcanic

      Bklyn Kevin


      20 days ago

      It’s not what I’m suggesting, that’s what the bible is suggesting

      just saying I’ve noticed whether it’s 70 weeks of years or a literal
      seven years Jehovah always seems to stay within his divine boundary of
      seven when accomplishing his purpose, so then why wouldn’t it be the
      same for the tribulations

      I think the Tribulation refers to a full
      seven year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second
      half of the Tribulation witch is three and one half years.

      say that the great tribulation is going to be 3 ½ years like the bible
      clearly states, then how do we explain Daniel’s 1,290 days as well as
      his 1.335 days which go over the 3 ½ year time period?.
      Obviously It just does not make any sense at all unless you use a seven year time period or 2,520 days .

      Now 2,520 Days equal
      Seven years and is symbolic of one Biblical week. See Daniel 9:24-27.
      There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your
      people and your holy city.

      First half of the week is 3 ½ years or—–1,260 days
      Second half of the week is 3 ½ years or-1,260 days
      Now add > 1.260 days +1,260 days—-= 2,520 days

      Now subtract Daniel’s 12:11 prophetic days -1.290
      that would mean the disgusting thing gets put
      In place In the first half of the week on day = 1,230

      the first half of the week on day 1 – one of the heads of the wild
      beast will be inflicted with a sword-stroke only to revive and put the
      disgusting thing in place on day 1,230 and misleads everyone on the

      Let the reader take note that the interval between the wild beast
      and the disgusting thing being put in place is the beginning of the
      time period for meting out divine justice when the four apocalyptic
      horsemen ride and men become faint out of fear because of the anguish of
      the nation’s not knowing the way out. Luke 21:25-27 Revelation 6:1-4.

      All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
      Matthew 24:8

      It misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the
      signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it
      those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that
      had the sword-stroke and yet revived. Revelation 13:14.
      And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they
      profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.
      And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.
      Daniel 11:31.

      The disgusting thing that causes desolation will be
      put in place on day 1,230 in the first half of the week when the seven
      headed beast revives and springs into the eighth king. Revelation 17:11.
      At this point – Daniel’s 1,290 days begins.

      Read “my comments” for more details on the subject.>
      The meaning of the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar’s madness?

      the seven times may apply to the period of judgment that will commence
      in the aftermath of the fall of the leading nation of the world. It may
      be that the seven times are a literal seven years or simply a symbolic
      period. Time will tell. (No pun intended.).

      • Joe Dman

        Wait a minute. Are Y’all saying that once tribulation starts that it could be seven years before Armageddon?
        I was hoping I had a good idea of what’s going to happen and when once it all starts, but now I guess I have got to sit myself down and try to figure this out.

      • Joel

        Let me ask you something sister Volcanic:

        Today is the 15th anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks on America.

        Question: Do you think those attacks could have signaled the beginning of the Great Tribulation? Or at the least, the start of what the Bible calls “the beginning of sorrows,” or beginning of “troubles”?

        Tell me what you think.

        • Volcanic

          oooh, Joel, what a question. Tbh, here, outside of the USA, it wasn’t ‘quite’ as painful as it was to you guys, in the same way as the Paris attacks wouldn’t have the same impact on Americans. Okay, it was horrendous, I remember watching it all unfold on the TV, but as to being the start of the GT, then No, it wasn’t.

          I often wonder if it was orchestrated & not a terrorist attack as was claimed, maybe it was all part of the NWO plan, to blame terrorists & then feel justified in attacking their countries, similar to how ISIS has been orchestrated. I know many people have questioned how the planes entered the towers etc., but, as a Witness it is not my place to question these things, just accept that they have happened.

          I was about to say we will never know exactly who caused that awful day, but I am certain in the Paradise/New System, it will be revealed to us.
          But again, Joel, no, it wasn’t a start of ‘the troubles’, just a part of it maybe. If it was the start of the GT itself, then we would certainly know about it at this late stage (it would all be over with after 15 years anyway & we would be living in the New System by now), in fact, once the GT breaks out I feel we will all know about it the minute we wake up in the morning, wherever we are.

          • Joel

            Excellent reply, and sensibly understandable. Great comment. I really mean it Volcanic! Your sense and calm, common approach to all matters is indeed refreshing.

          • LW

            Where were you when…the great tribulation began?

  • Kevin b

    I have to admit, I’m not really looking forward to the upcoming events of the many hardships we must face involved with the great tribulation. I feel like we are somewhat spoiled here in the USA, not really wanting for much. I’ve never suffered hunger, crime, poverty or war, things so many people have had to deal with. Lets face it, Iwe are pretty soft. Are JWs ready for the upcoming events? HARDLY! The bunker videos at the convention made it seem like after a few days holding up in the bunker it would be all over. The Watchtower has done a horrendous job preparing the witnesses for the real upcoming events. After a few weeks the bodies are gonna start dropping, chaos will soon set in. A lack of faith in the Watchtower will turn into a lack of faith in Jehovah and Jesus, because we have pretty much been taught they are one in the same. Even though it’s gonna be a tough time, I do look forward to the Watchtower being turned upside down. The governing body and their lawyers not knowing where to turn. Jesus truly being enthroned as King, and being one step closer to the new world. The time is now to mentally and physically make the necessary arrangements, so we can truly be on the watch. We can all speculate when it will happen until we all blue in the face. It’s not gonna happen until Jehovah is ready for it to happen. We know Watchtower has made predictions over the years. Here is one of my favorites.

    Watchtower 1968 August 15 p.499 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975?

    30 Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.

    • Burt Reynolds

      I remember the excuse given when 1975 flopped was that YES! The 6000 years ended in 1975 but we are now in the period that Adam took to name all the animals and then for him to sin. It was also stressed that Adam took time to name each one by observing its habits and naming it accordingly. I recall thinking that if the watchtower could work out when the end would arrive, then how come they could not know about this issue? Well, I expect after only 41 years, Adam has just about come up with AARDVARK …probably a play on the word ( from a northern Hebrew colloquialism manner of pronunciation) that it is ‘hard work’ to name such an odd creature. ‘ my lord, it is ‘ard verk to name this one. I have just spent forty years observing it….’ Well call it Hardverk then and get on with that six legged little insect building a small hill over there….Jesus, this is going to take an eternity….’ ‘I know, I know….’ (Sorry everyone, life leaves me a little bitter at times…)

    • sheesh im not even finished reading your comment and its real good.
      *continues reading…

      • Joel

        Today is September 11. Do you think the 9/12 attacks could have started a “Tribulation” of sorts? And if not, did 9/11 have any connection to Bible prophecy at all?

        • hey Joel, im kinda sick and groggy to think how to type at the moment a good reply but….
          the tribulation takes away peace from the earth. i dont think thats happened yet because of what Roberts said.
          if youre talking about my tweet. worldy things going on today have a pattern that is in harmony with scripture, whether its an exact match to the events scripture is talking about im not implying but just the pattern of examples. if you get what im trying to say.
          i think Robert is in to something about the “schemes” against the clay in Daniel. i mean it was a inside job if you dont already know and it gave the US military an excuse to expand territory and the scheam had to sacrifice nearly three thousand people but they got what they wanted. if you recal scripture saying to the iron ‘you killed your own people’. its teeth are guess what, iron, destabilize nations, trampling “down with its feet.” Daniel 7:7

          big government VS people
          iron VS clay in a since
          people pushing against government
          government always there to help; keep you comfy and content with this s*** system.

          i think when the seals are opened, we’r gunna know but keeping in mind the demons can make phoney artificial versions thats not what Jehovah had written as they have already with 1914 baloney.

          • Joel

            Whew! That was a tongue full! Lol! But I kinda . . . sorta . . . agree, right? (gulp!!!)

            • im still editing/adding to that. i do that all the time. like 45 mins later or even the next day. i give up typing saying good enough. so you can read me again later too

            • Joel

              Haha!!! Lol!
              Very good D34D!


      Great points!

    • Joel

      Question: Do you think the September 11 terror attacks have anything to do with Bible prophecy?

      • Just keep swimming!

        I don’t. Specifically no. That’s just my opinion based on my understanding of the scriptures as of today. I think 9/11 is one example of “a pushing” between the King of the North and South. But nothing specific from scripture. There isn’t a “play by play” description of the pushing in prophecy. Just the general statement.

        • Joel

          Ummm, interesting . . .

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      To your point in the first four sentences. I do not look forward to it as well. Other days, I have no problem with it at all. Jehovah is the master laundryman, the master refiner.

      Zechariah 13:7-9

      …Verse 8 in particular, states

      …”And in all the land two parts will be cut off and perish, and the third part will be left remaining in it”…

      If there are 8 million JWs, then about 6 million here are practicing lawlessness, or are the weeds, your phony witnesses. So, mathmatically/statiistically about two thirds of all Congregations carry these type of people. This fits in about right to what an anointed elder told me years ago in private about a statistic he was made aware of about the private activities of an average JW publisher, in that he said 2/3 of all Jehovah’s Witnesses are practicing serious… serious… habitual sin…full time Pioneers and all.

      Stunned me back then. Uncanny that it matches the bible.

      Verse 9 states

      …And I will bring the third part through the fire…

      …and refine them like silver…

      …and test them as gold is tested…

      And then he will answer our prayers like never before seen.

      He is going to make sure you are not faking. As for me, I am going to start now, and when I am 100 % honest with Jehovah and myself in all ways, my fear vanishes.

      There is something about being 100% honest that calms the conscious, its actually amazing, but at times extremely difficult.

      I talk to everyone I can worldly or JW because when it hits, you do not know what will spring to their mind when unimaginable panic hits them…your words that they rejected back before the Great Tribulation strikes my save them and cause them to do the right things. I think there are wheat even in Christandom. I have seen some honestly decieved people there…

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Regarding the 2/3 – when unimaginable panic hits them… As you say” .

        Jehovah calls Judah “bethel” to account.
        Jeremiah 9:7. .

        Therefore this is what Jehovah of armies says:“ I will smelt them and test them, For what else can I do with the daughter of my people?.

        Isaiah 1:25
        I will turn my hand against you, I will smelt away your dross as with lye,
        And I will remove all your impurities.

        During the Parousia.
        I had a traveler’s lodging place in the wilderness! / “bethel” .
        Then I would leave my people and go away from them, Why? because the 2/3 are all adulterers given their reverence to the watchtower instead of Jehovah during the authentic Parousia of Jesus Christ.

        They band together becoming a treacherous people – and “they” only advance from evil to evil, And they pay no attention to Jehovah regulations in regards to the authentic parousia.

        They are living in the midst of deception In their “1914 delusion”, they refused to know Jehovah thus the 2/3 become an anti Christ.

        Jeremiah 9:4
        Everyone, be on guard against your neighbor, And do not trust even your brother. For every brother is a betrayer, And every neighbor is a slanderer.

        Matthew 10:21
        Further, brother will hand brother over to death, and a father his child, and children will rise up against parents and will have them put to death.

        However the faithful one 3rd that knows their GOD Jehovah are refined like silver and gold and brought through the fire.

        Zechariah 13:9
        And I will bring the third part through the fire; And I will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, And I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people,’ And they will say, ‘Jehovah is our God.’”

        Isaiah 48:10
        Look! I have refined you, but not in the form of silver. I have tested you in the smelting furnace of affliction.
        Israel rebuked and purified.

      • LW

        As the Scripture adroitly states, “Jehovah knows who belong to him.”

  • e.v.g

    The anointed, what a precious gift, unfortunately some of them will not understand the true meaning of this, during the hour of darkness.i

  • 0

  • The stage is now set, whereby, each one’s love for the truth will come
    under the most severe test when the time comes to reject the Watchtower’s
    authority, during what must surely be the now-imminent commencement of
    the genuine presence of Jesus Christ.
    Although the apostasy that must precede the manifestation of Christ is
    not in full evidence yet, “the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work,”
    as the apostle worded it. One aspect of it is the Watchtower’s spiritually
    adulterous tryst with the United Nations.

    • Joel

      Did the 9/11 attacks signal the start of the Great Tribulation? If not, what, if anything, does the 9/11 attacks have to do with Bible prophecy?

      • Don’t think it was the start of the great tribulation, but it was a BIG piece of the puzzle & march towards global tyranny. Just look up all the executive orders that were signed since 9/11.
        You and me and everyone else in this modern day Egypt no longer has any rights .
        And everything you email, text,and talk about is monitored, just ask Snowden. They can now kick open your front door and put a boot on your neck , no questions asked. Everything is NOW set up to implement the 8th king of Revelation. Modern technology will need to be disposed of during the Greatest tribulation when serving Jehovah moves underground.

        • Joel

          I agree with everything you said, Joe.

        • LW

          The framework is already in place, all that is needed is the right trigger.

        • LW

          Yup,The X files first episode too. They’re telling you what’s happening…

          • Burt Reynolds

            I wondered why that pizza van has been parked outside my house for a week. I hope that my conversations with my dog Basil have been of use to the CIA and MI5. Who’s a good boy then? Yes you ARE! Etc.etc.

      • 1914for100Alex

        9/11 has cost us a fortune. Billions of dollars spent fighting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That has weakened us. Not only that, but it has turned many people against us (the U.S.). You’re not going to find a scripture that relates specifically to that event, but it has played a huge role in setting up the current stage.

        • Joel

          I agree completely; it does not relate to Bible prophecy DIRECTLY, but 9/11 event did indeed set the stage for upcoming end-time events.

          Very astute comment!

    • Leonard k

      I truly pray and hope that my love for all peoples will be enough. I’m so frightened of the world but I remain strong in faith I pray that Jehovah will strengthen me so I can possibly help my family and many others through these hard to deal with critical times. pray for me brothers and sisters and let not out love grow cold in these critical times ahead.

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      Jehonadab my brother it is refreshing to hear truth like that, and no confusion.

      I get on the internet for hours on end and I get access to the repressed international news and I think an even average intelligent 12 year old can see Russia being surrounded by offensive U.S. & N.A.T.O. missile silos, ready to be armed, and Putin warning the world along with China of nuclear war over and over again…

      I mean, come on.

      I am so glad Jehovah opened my mind.

      I think it boils down to if you have a love for truth… and if one does I suppose, you should by its very nature, love or want all truth. Don’t you think?

      I have a relative that is in complete and total blindness to even the above facts, a very intelligent hard working person too.

      I suppose we all got use to having the Watchtower hold our hands. That is the danger I suppose of reading the Watchtowers and other publication and not reading the bible.

      Case in point:

      I remember the Revelation book when it first came out. People were breaking their backs so to speak to get to the book study after a hard days work. Poor families etc.

      We went through it twice after it we finished it. Week after week of study.

      Now, the Watchtower stopped printing it!!

      Wont even comment about it, like it never existed!

      There is no, I repeat, no biblical precedent for Jehovah’s past organizations as recorded in the bible, to have acted anyway like the Watchtower…indeed, it was the opposite, as when Jehovah did something, it was sure and you know it.

      Where people can get the idea that this is Jehovah (UN association, pedophile protection/facilitation, endless revisions and so called “New Light”…thelist goes on…) I do not know.

      Jehovah must be weeding out the truth seeker brother. Thanks for your comment. Cheered me up.

      • LW

        I’ll never forget an expression “if you really want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes…”

        There is a shift happening though for sure. What a time to be alive

        • Peter Zuccerberg

          Just by glancing through that Revelation book anyone, and I mean anyone, can see that the Watchtowers Governing Body was intentionally trying to deceive and confuse, to put everyone into a sleep.

          That is probably why the they do not want anyone else to see it ever again.

  • T L C

    The fact that witnesses refer to their state of being as “IN THE TRUTH” is the very thing that keeps them blind to Satan’s machinations….

    • Joel

      That’s a very good point T L C.

    • Just keep swimming!

      Pride before a crash….may we all take the counsel to heart. It is easier to see flaws in others, including our own terminal organization. May each of us individually avoid the cancer and keep on the watch.

  • Joel

    This is Joel.
    I was thinking, today is September 11; the 15th anniversary of the horrific attack on our Nation.

    I know that as Jehovah’s Witnesses, we are taught to be “neutral,” to not get involved with the political system at all.

    But in truth, when 9/11 happened many of the brothers and sisters privately talked among themselves; wondering if that attack signaled the start of the Great Tribulation. Now, it’s easy to say “no, no, no” that was not the start of what the Bible calls the ‘time of trouble’ or ‘time of sorrows.’ But are we sure?

    The world has headed downhill ever since! . . . the economic collaspe of 2008 which lead to the “Great Recession” . . . the financial collaspe of Greece . . . major terrorism erupting basically all over the world . . .Great Britain LEAVING the E.U. and on and on.

    I would like to hear from you, our E-Watchman family. What do you think? Did 9/11 begin the Great Tribulation? If not, did it signal SOMETHING . . . ANYTHING of greater significance in Biblical prophecy? What do you think?

    . . . and let’s not forget, the over 3,000 Americans of ALL RACES who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. . .

    May Jehovah remember them in the resurrection.

    • LW

      It’s definitely interesting to consider and I will say this much, without being dogmatic, that 9/11 was in essence done as a pre-text to further the agenda of the powers that be so as to drive towards their goal of the New World Order.

      • Joel

        Did that “drive” indeed bring a New World Order?

        • LW

          Not yet, but that is the plan.

        • to complament with what LW an others are saying, i think about how the horn is first little as it emerges growing to pluck out what horns stand in its way. in the same way its operation an agenda now are detectable before its fully developed.
          keeping it under wraps, hidden with peace here and there as a sedative to achieve their one world goal isnt going to last without four major horsemen making sudden destruction apparent to the whole earth


      The event that occurred on 9/11 was used to invade Iraq, Afghanistan and to further the globalist agenda of conquest…Remember,Hitler did everything “legally”, hence the “Patriot Act” here in the US?! …SMH…We are all considered enemies of the state for even discussing these things…This is just to further setting the stage for satan to take the reigns…The big show is about to begin

      • Joel

        Ummm, interesting.

        • RLALLEN

          I think about how alot of people are experiencing a great tribulation right now in most parts of the world…its gonna be much worse, hard to imagine

          • Joel

            So True. But it is not the “official” start of the Great Tribulation. Right?

          • Just keep swimming!

            Correct…I bet people in Syria would definitely say “we are living in the great tribulation.” It’s all relative. The Great Tribulation (capital letters) will be global and undeniable. Everything up til this point (IMO) , including 9/11 is “setting the stage.” The “show” has not begun yet.

            • RLALLEN


            • Kevin b

              So true.

          • 1914for100Alex

            I think about that a lot too. The only bright side I see is that maybe they’ll be better prepared to deal with it.

        • RLALLEN

          This would make a good Forum topic Joel….

          • Joel

            You think I should post this 9/11 topic there? If so. Why? Do you think it’s too ‘heavy’ a topic? Or could it be—whether we admit it or not—that we, as Jehovah’s Witnesses, feel “uncomfortable” talking about political things that (seemingly) have nothing to do with end-time Bible prophecy?

            • RLALLEN

              Brother King has set up the Forum for us and encourages us to use it..His last comment was a friendly reminder to use the Forum…the comment section does get alot of traffic of off topic discussion threads, so that makes sense

            • Joel

              Fair enough.

            • RLALLEN

              I check the forum all the time waiting for interesting topics like yours…lol

            • Joel

              The problem is that most of us post our thoughts and opinions here, on this site. I don’t think that will ever change.

            • Just keep swimming!

              I hear ya…we are creatures of habit! Post it on the forum and write (as a reminder) in this comment section to check the forum. Robert’s observation was right….the comment threads are getting too long and difficult to follow sometimes.

            • Kevin b

              Im with you on that. I couldn’t get it to work for me. I’m sure its my fault. Just saying.

      • Joel

        The “big show” being the Great Tribulation?

        • RLALLEN

          The “Big Show” I am referring to starts when satan is actually cast from heaven and takes full control of his well established demonic kingdom here on earth, being set up as we speak….Its ridiculous how the prophecies can be so twisted and applied to events like 9/11…Brother King gives us a logical view in regards world events and prophecy…I am thankful for that because my head spins trying to keep focus…lol

          • Joel

            Lol! I hear ya!

        • wars have been proxy and covert; dirty is what war is. but like Robert has said, the crash of the U.S is the big enchilada, along with its partner in crime London. Tyre an Egypt are going to take a big hit, a war stroke before they fuse a one world disgusting thing

      • LW

        Soon, Satan will deceive the masses into accepting a false sense of “peace and security.” He will mislead them into thinking that all is well on the world scene.

    • Joyce Haze

      Joel, by observing world events, as to how we read bible prophesy and understand is necessary. Observation is not in any way taking sides or involvement, only awareness. Neutrality is just that, no participation! Jesus told his deciples to watch ( observe) the signs of both HIS presence and of the conclusion of the system of things. Of course we would’nt get involved or rub shoulders in anyway with the politics of the world and that is what the watchtower has advised. These events taking place, world clashes, the monetary system, loss of many freedoms in U. S A, are all big signs as to complete collapse. In my years of observing world events, today is unlike any era I’ve seen. All pointing, to me anyway, that it is about to unfold soon, in a big way! Also what is going on in the organization, in which most active Jehovahs Witnesses are blind to, just another sign and warning. Man of lawlessness, 2 Th 2:3.

      • Joyce Haze

        Of course, a bit of hypocrisy, that is the involvement by Watchtower as an ngo to the U.N., was quite a shock, and I must say a real eye opener!

        • Volcanic

          Hi, Joyce, do you know of any ‘official’ docs or writings as to which way the WTS was actually involved in the UN? I mentioned that fact to my dearest friend in the congregation & she passed it off as nonsense, but I had nothing to back my argument up with.

          • Daisy

            Vee, try jw facts NGO affair? 😀

            • A special message to our Dear sister Daisy on her journey to healing..We miss you ❤

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              What happened to Sister Daisy?

            • Hello B. of NK
              Daisy is Patri and has undergone Sergey to remove cancer and is now undergoing chemotherapy to treat the 25 % that remains.
              Please keep her in your prayers.

            • Joel

              Will do!

            • Daisy

              Thanks J, a most beautiful way to wake up this morning & I’m envious of those people who saw Jesus, were touched by him & who touched him, the living breathing Jesus. No, jealous is the word. 😀

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              What happened to you Sister?

          • Joyce Haze

            I have a rough time recalling all the info being gleaned over this pat year. I saw the document on Roberts site awhile ago. Then went ahead and looked at govt’s website. I even printed it out at some point. Check with Robert, much quicker than waiting on me. Sorry, couldn’t direct you!

          • Joyce Haze

            Yes, you can go to More explanation under Watchtowers United Nations Association. I believe I went to the gov’t website to copy the document and application itself!

          • Joyce Haze

            Volcanic, another important fact to share with others, until 9/11 it was not necessary to become a member to access the library to gain information. That was the excuse by Watchtower for becoming a member!

          • sally

            Hi Volcanic! I didn’t find anything different from what Robert provided, but if you google NGO’s and UN there is a whole bunch of stuff that backs it up, saying what is the obligation of ngo’s. Its across the board, there is no different set up for different types of organisation – it certainly isn’t just a name and address application form that gives you access to their library!

          • Bklyn Kevin

            Facts About Jehovah’s Witnesses.
            Watchtower’s United Nations Association.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses link to UN queried.

        • sally

          Yes this was a total shock to me to! But it was the lies that were told when forced to explain themselves that was even a bigger shock. They minimized the involvement of the organisation to just a little application form but when dug into deeper, there was a whole bunch of stipulations needed from any NGO, including promotion of the UN. If you do your due diligence it cannot be denied that lies were told by those at the top of the organisation…totally shocking 🙁

      • Joel

        Good point, Joyce, about the difference in involvement and observations. I respect that view totally.

    • Burt Reynolds

      The scriptures tell us that no one except Jehovah knows the time or the day of the second coming. If the destruction of the world trade centre had any significance at all in this context, it was simply as just another part of the downhill slide. It is helpful to look at the wider picture of recent history such as the Great War where twenty million…not three and a half thousand, but twenty million, people died from wounds and the Spanish flu. Over forty thousand soldiers died in July 1st 1916 at the first day of the battle of the Somme. Whole towns and villages wiped from the surface of the earth, like Ypres. Horrid though it is, the twin towers registers with the victims and their families, more than the sum of the ending of this system as a whole. Another tragedy. The difference is media. No one knew about the Somme for weeks, months and years afterwards. The twin towers we watched live. Don’t let these things distract from the message to keep awake….be ready…for when the end does come, you can guarantee that you will know about it and nothing that you see now is more or less, it is the sum of the total that we need to be ready for, as the bible clearly points out. Everything that is happening now is part of the conclusion and each day brings it closer, in fact, ever since Christ died, the end has been coming. Having said all that, what might be a sign to take as the beginning of the tribulation is when an atomic bomb takes out the whole of New York, but as Joyce says, the sign of Christ’s presence is the only reliable sign.

      • Joel

        . . . but the end is not yet . . .

    • Kevin b

      Throughout history there have been so many events that have been horrific. To the ones whom it effected directly it could’ve looked like this must be the great tribulation. Even before 1914 bad things happened all over the world. JWs have been molded to look for a date when the end will come. Worldly people go about their lives like everything will be fine, business as usual, nothing really drastic will change. Since 911 i too thought the end must be near. 15 years later the end has not happened yet. Does that mean I was wrong for thinking that? As a JW I’ve been told the end is near, keep on the watch. Today’s Watchtower lesson was all about that same point. I’m doing what I’ve been told, right, we all are. I know for sure that today we are one day closer to the end than we were yesterday. I can say that with 100% confidence. Can I say that in a week, a month, a year, or 3 12 years, the great tribulation will be here? No. Even though I see world events that seem like things are gonna blow. Things really do look bad. Things looked bad during the civil war, during WW1, during WWII, all the wars since then. There is no doubt there will be another war. In 2016 there are now only 10 countries in the world that are not at war, according to an article I read online. After this next war and the smoke clears, will that be it? Will there be a 4th or 5th? We don’t know, it would be all speculation. When Satan is cast from heaven things will go from bad to worst. JWs believe he was cast out in 1914, that’s why things are so bad. But is that true? If you’re told a lie enough you will believe it’s true. If Satan has not been cast out of heaven, then why are things so bad? The devil is trying to mislead everyone! So when we see the clear sign that Satan has has been evicted from his home. When Jesus has been enthroned as King. And the remaining ones of the 144,000 are glowing, I will believe the end is here.

      When the scripture is fulfilled at Lu 21:26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

      I will then know it’s close, until then, I’m just trying to get by, day by day.

      • sally

        I am thinking of a scripture (again can’t remember where it is!) where Jesus said that people would take no note, and life would continue as normal then wham! so that kind of makes me think that it can’t get much worse than it presently is before the GT starts if people are going to be taking no note. (Hopefully Bklyn Kevin will provide the scripture I am thinking of!)

        • Bklyn Kevin

          How Jesus is coming at an hour you do not think to be it
          That is what Jesus went on to explain in verses Matthew 24:36-44, which read: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they “took no note” until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

          Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it.”

          What did Jesus liken to the days of Noah? Was it the tribulation? No. He said “so the presence of the Son of man will be.” The days before the Flood, when people were eating and drinking, marrying, etc., is compared to the days now, before the presence of the Son of Man. Besides, that, were the people who took no note swept away on the very day Noah entered into the ark? Again, no. The Flood did not commence for a whole week after Noah and all his menagerie went into the ark. However, the day Noah went into the ark the door was shut. No one could hope to gain entry after the door was shut. And that is what characterizes the presence of the Son of man. Read more>

          • sally

            Thank you Bklyn Kevin!

    • Peter Zuccerberg

      According to the sites I review, some conflicting with each other but most agree with each other, you cannot believe anything you here in the mainstream media, in fact you will come out better if you think and do the opposite,

      Basically, people are afraid to speak out about it. That fear of not being accepted, to go along with the crowd is a mass delusion, and reminds me of the hold the Watchtower has over 6 million publishers and the people who are awake and have now the responsibility to speak out. That reminds me of the same and coming mass fear and delusion that the world is going to be subjected to to obtain the mark of the beast, they are going to follow each other to thier death. So the world as you can see is primed for that coming trick…and then they are doomed.

      As for the Watchtower, in my opinion brother, some of it has to do with mixing a lot of truth, say 85% or 90%, to get your people, your sincere people that will dedicate their lives to the cause:

      Mix that with your “key” lies on the most important elements, one of those elements are the Watchtowers intentional warping of how it interprets prophecy.

      But, you cannot fool all the people all the time.

  • Joe Dman

    After the meeting I was prompted to do a little research. I found in the W16 Jan. (Study) Par 6 states: Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope.

    So why don’t they listen to someone in the ranks. Oh, it’s not the proper channel. Someone help me with that scripture that defines the proper channel.
    That same WT article admits that even the FDS could lose their hope, but probably won’t. But that being the case, if they would imagine what could happen if one or some did, what would the result be? Possibly constant readjustments, new light, over reaching rules and requirements for salvation?

  • LW

    Likewise, during the great tribulation, faithful anointed ones cannot help any who had turned unfaithful. There will be no help available. It will simply be too late. What end, then, will such ones face? Jesus explains what happened when the foolish virgins went off on their futile errand: “The bridegroom came. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut.” When Christ comes in his glory near the end of the tribulation, he will gather his faithful anointed ones to heaven. The door will, indeed, be shut to the unfaithful ones, who prove to be like the foolish virgins. They may, in effect, cry out: “Sir, Sir, open to us!” But they receive an answer like the one that so many goatlike ones receive in that hour of judgment: “I tell you the truth, I do not know you.” How sad!


    “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.”

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    The last two paragraphs are really superb!!!

  • Burt Reynolds

    Hello Robert, the forum page is misfiring and I cannot post a reply to Joshua. I’ve tried twice, but now resolved that Joshua is never going to find out why Jehovah spared Cain. Sorry Josh. I expect it’s my fault somehow, but it’s easier to blame the site. ?

  • Leonard k

    Colossians 1:9

    9 That is also why from the day we heard of it, we have never stopped praying for you and asking that you may be filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension,

    Colossians 1:10

    10 so as to walk worthily of Jehovah in order to please him fully as you go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God;

    Colossians 3:10

    10 and clothe yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it,

    2 Timothy 2:25

    25 instructing with mildness those not favorably disposed. Perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an accurate knowledge of truth,

  • Leonard k

    some kind of bomb just went off in manhattan and if my information is correct they say they think there are more bombs set around the city

  • LW

    Just saw the article about the US applying financial pressure to Germany. Deustche Bank which is at a severe point; seeing how it’s collapse would bring on the financial system meltdown, we have to see that there were several times in recent times since the stock market crash of 2007/8 that were prime for the global financial system to crash–but it didn’t.

    Evidently, as was already pointed out, this isn’t necessarily the time that things will go south. In other words, the appointed time isn’t here.

    • 1914for100Alex

      I hope you’re right. All this stuff going on with Russia and Syria is scary. Not to mention the rest of the world. Things are lined up in a way where it very well could be, but I’m praying it’s Jehovah’s way of getting our attention ahead of time and we have some time left. I certainly need it. I plan on going to the Kingdom Hall this Sunday. Hopefully it’s the first of many times, and I still have time to get my girlfriend on board.

      I don’t know if it’s related, but I had a very intense experience last night while laying down for bed, like something was flooding over me. It was calming and warm, but with a full body buzz that has not left completely. I was praying for help with everything I’m going through, especially teaching my girlfriend. I don’t even know what to make of it, but I’m not as worked up as I have been lately. Anyone ever have this happen?

      • LW

        Good! I haven’t had the same experience like that-but I would be leery about that.

        This is an excerpt from another article:
        I have heard from a few who have related their supernatural “anointing” experience, and to tell you the truth, some of these are not unlike alien abduction experiences we hear so much about, where the abductees become aware of their supposed encounter upon suddenly receiving a vision of it in great detail, usually many days or weeks after it was believed to have happened. Because of the frequency of such experiences, and often the credibility of the persons involved, many have come to believe in such things as alien visitations to warn mankind of the coming doom. In fact, for many it has become a modern, new age, religion. One individual who has done some research on the subject writes: “There are millions of accounts of abductions of all ages, even children throughout the world and in all countries. Some of the Abductees have had some spiritual or supernatural connection after the abduction experience. Some stories of Abductees have seen other things such as the devil in the backseat of the car. Aliens, seem to have the common goal of new world religion etc.” ( Someone is messing with the minds of millions of people, and it definitely is not Jehovah!

      • LW

        I see you edited the comment – now that you mention that, that could well be the power of prayer, which does have a calming effect.

        • 1914for100Alex

          Ha! I wrote up this long response and by the time I went to post, you had edited yours and I couldn’t respond to it. I was going to say that I certainly hope I wasn’t abducted! I’m not ruling out that it could just be a defense mechanism for all the stressing out over the past couple days, but the timing and intensity was just weird. I’ve never felt anything like it. I’m so at ease now compared to how I’ve been. If that’s how Jehovah handles things, all I can say is wow and thank you.

  • LW

    Our time is much like that of Jesus’ day. Jehovah often does things in an unusual way, so different from what we would expect; and it catches the ungodly among his people unaware. (Isa. 55:8,9; 1 Cor. 3:18,19) For example, the Messiah did not arrive according to the expectations of God’s people in the first century, although an abundance of prophecies foretold details concerning him. (Acts 3:18) The Jews fully trusted their religious leaders and thus rejected any Scriptures that reflected in a negative way on them. And there was nothing that Jesus could do, no amount of amazing miracles, to convince them otherwise. (Matt. 15:7-9; John 7:47,48)

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    The foolish ones might be shocked to see the destruction of Babylon the Great is what the WTS teach. Why would the persons associated with the WTS will be shocked if Babylon the great is destroyed becasue the WTS already taught and already knew it. The thing the foolish virgin will be shocked is the Destruction the holy place that is the Christian congregation itself and particularly the Watch Tower society itself. Oh how foolish and blind are these men of the WTS?

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