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seekerforgodskingdom
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I see the necessity to go ahead in speaking the things I understand….

when the man of God approaches on Bible’s prophecies he must understand some of the things about God who “uttered” them

1) Proverbs 25 :
2. It is the glory of God to conceal  a thing;
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter. ASV

2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
to search out a matter is the glory of kings. NIV

clearly we see the way God have done His prophecies , by “concealing” their meaning/understanding .
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2)
Job 34 :
29. When he giveth quietness, who then can condemn?
And when he hideth his face, who then can behold him?
Alike whether it be done unto a nation, or unto a man: ASV

we see that God has two kind of “relationship” with men :
– individually , or He “works” with  a (single, each) man/person
and
– colectivelly as a “people” or a “nation”/He works with/within the entire nation as “one”

from the above scripture we may understand that God may be “wrathfull” on/over a nation/people , but in the meantime be in “peacefull relationship” with an individual of that people/nation .

example : God became wrathfull over Jews as the entire nation and delivered them to Babylonians ,
while He had a peacefull relationship with Daniel and his 3 friends , Jeremiah, (etc.) taking care of them (but the fact that God took care of them doesn’t mean they weren’t taken captive …as members of that nation / or to be at peace with his nation while He punish each wicked single one )
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3)
Job 33
14 For God does speak
now one way, now another
though man may not perceive it. ASV

we see that God may and surely He did speak “now a way” then in “another way” , but regarding the same things/events/situations/etc.

firstly, God is speaking this way because of His glory of “concealing” the things

secondly, the truth/ the way God is seeing the realities from His high point of view is so deep and so complex , that is necessary to be spoken about it in many/several ways as to reveal more or all aspects of it
let us see an example
to Gog of Magog Jehovah has said…Ezekiel 38
17. ” ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel?
At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them.

well, Jehovah has spoken about him (Gog) through His (several) prophets , but where ?
I will tell you here only one (other) prophet : Isaiah 14:1-19.
please give attention to the verse 16 :
16 They that see thee shall gaze at thee, they shall consider thee, saying,
Is this  the man  that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;…?

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4)
it comes again to be repeated the importance God , the Father, is giving to the “teaching of Christ”
see the first post on this topic …

God is setting His own order as the way of interpreting His own prophecies
— while all God’s word is truth , and it (OT) forms the “ground” for the teachings of Jesus ,
— the Father decided and ordered that we must obey His Son / Matt.17:5 … by these words He emphasises Jesus teachings as “the foundation” for further understandings from prophecies

indeed , through Jesus, the Father has teached us something new :
— He is spirit , and He wants “worshipers with spirit and with truth”
that implies a “way” of taking/considering the prophecies , “with spirit” , or “according to Father’s will”
— Jesus is come “to fulfil … the prophecies” / that means the prophecies does have their (spiritual) fulfilment “in Christ”

at that point I want to say that during the time , many christians have seen many similarities between different prophetic parts … and events of the world, and they concluded that that was the “interpretation” or the “fulfilment” of that prophecy ..
this way of reasoning have produced many errors in which both Bible Students , as also Jehovah’s witnesses are continuing untill today !

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5)
1 Samuel 16
7. (But Jehovah said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have rejected him )
for Jehovah seeth not as man seeth;
for man looketh on the outward appearance,
but Jehovah looketh on the heart.

we must attentively consider the above statement when searching the prophecies
there may be men/peoples living within His people , but God is addressing to them as “his enemies” , and they are such  , because God is seeing their hearth / pay attention to that .

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furthermore,

We find written by Paul … (1 Tess. 5 )

20. do not treat prophecies with contempt.
21. Test everything. Hold on to the good.
22. Avoid every kind of evil.
NIV

20. Do not spurn the gifts and utterances of the prophets [do not depreciate prophetic revelations nor despise inspired instruction or exhortation or warning].
21. But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.
22. Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.
Amplified B.

I quoted the second trans. because it seems to exprime better some thoughts
— while God has decided that the prophecies will happen during “the latter days” , the inspired instruction to the christians was to “do not treat prophecies with contempt”, but to “test everything and hold on the good”.

this was a real hard thing for Christians  to do, considering that before of the arrival of the real fulfilment  foreseen by God,  many situations arose (were taken place) in the world which could be easily likened to the (litera of) prophecies..

but the simple fact that they resemble , doesn’t mean that that is the “truth”, or the fulfilment “with spirit and with truth” which can help our worship to Father

and so, the christians should “wait” until they could recognise that they have the good/real meaning of the prophecy

Here is to be told that
it is God the One who did/uttered the prophecies,

and Who is watching over them to be fulfiled — Jeremiah 1:11,12.

and Who did established the frame and the time of their fulfilment
as He aknowledged His servant Daniel about that (chapter 10 )

14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall
— thy people
— in the latter days;
for the vision is yet for many days:

Going to Jesus, we find that by his statement “your word is truth”,
Jesus himself has given the real importance for us regarding the Fathers’ “rule” of interpreting the prophecies ,
through the fact that he/Jesus obeyed it ! and used it !

Never had Jesus spoke any tale/report regarding the world’s powers of that time , as fulfilling some part of any prophecie ,
BUT he did used parts of Daniel prophecies when speaking/prophetising regarding the events occuring at or previous of his (second) coming
see Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:24.

both by his words and by his way of using Daniel’s prophecies,
Jesus did settled (as valid truth) God’s word in Daniel 10:14 !

this is something we must obey, as our Father has commanded
“Listen to him !”

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Question :
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Is this a teaching of Christ?

Revelation 1
1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw.

3 Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near.

and was it written by the same John who wrote this:

9. “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.” 2 John

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My answer :
Dear Brother,

here we arrive at an important point

the same John has (by inspiration) said that (chapter 1 )

17. For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

here John was referring to the teaching God has sent to us through His Son when he was on earth (son of man)

and the above statement, together with God’s command “Listen to him”
does settle the fact that the teachings/truth spoken/told/taught by Jesus when on earth is, or forms the basis/foundation for the further revelations from God’s word

Indeed, the Revelation came from Jesus Christ ,
BUT it is a prophecy (which has to be understood) ,
more than that , Revelation is a “conclusion of all prophecies” (mine expression)

and it cannot be well understood before knowing the teachings Jesus taught on earth , and also some of the “old prophecies” regarding God’s people

if not respecting this order , the result surely will be a disastruous one .

here I will give an valid example

The  Bible searchers , taking in consideration Psalm 110:1 .. and Rev 12 :7-12 and other prophecies ,
have concluded that the Kingdom of God has started in Heavens in 1914 with the coronation of Jesus,
and with Satan’s trowing down from Heaven,
and that was the “second coming” , and Jesus starting to rule “in the midst of his enemies”…etc…

well , if we really do obey Father ,
and take Jesus teachings as truth, and believe them ,
then the conclusion will be other :

see it here / at second my post on this thread

Seeker.

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