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Hannah, this is as fine as piece of research as I have ever seen.
As you are aware I am currently in a state of perplexity regarding the absolute arrogance we JW’s exhibit in our wholesale condemnation of Christendom and my belief we cannot say we are not part of her.
Your treatise has given me pause to reflect on how it could possibly be not a mistake that I, like so many, are drawn to the JW message, only to find such bitter disappointment in the practice of the JW religion.
To think of JW’s and Christendom as warring factions of the same family seems to satisfy both faith and reason. To understand from scripture a prophetic framework for what we observe brings much comfort.
Thank you Richard, it gives me much comfort too! And it helps me understand why we need Christ’s ransom, all the more!
If we follow on from the point you left off, and accept as given that upon commensuration of his ministry, Jesus was initiating a process for selection of a royal priesthood, do we still have to accept that all first century Christian’s were given the token in the spirit to signify that (possible) destiny? Or should we consider those Christians gathered from “Ephraim” excluded from the bride class? And how on earth would we be able to carry that distinction down to now and on until the parousia?
Are we able to continue supporting the JW line that the royal priesthood must come from only within their ranks, or are we forced to now concede the expansion of the house of God, the ecclesia, to include Christendom.
Also, I wondered if you were given any impression on the significance of Ephraim being the second son of Joseph, but receiving the blessings of firstborn when adopted by Jacob, even over the protest of Joseph.
These are all excellent points! This is why, I felt the need to qualify my thoughts on this subject by saying “I am of the thought” rather than “I am of the belief”. As I am not quite sure either. However, I do believe, that JWs were entrusted “with the sacred pronouncements of God”. Perhaps, like the Jews, such ones are given the first consideration? But then, as Paul says, “their false step means riches to the world and their decrease means riches to people of the nations”? (Romans 11:12)
I think you may be on to something here, as it makes the words Paul spoke to the Nations that much more meaningful:
However, if some of the branches were broken off and you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the richness of the olive’s root, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If, though, you are arrogant toward them, remember that it is not you who bears the root, but the root bears you. You will say, then: “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Do not be haughty, but be in fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Consider, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. There is severity toward those who fell, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you too will be lopped off. And they also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them back in. For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much more will these who are natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree! (Romans 11:17-24)
Certainly, this topic certainly deserves further scriptural exploration! 🙂