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I do not mean to be disrespectful, but do you really think I am going to believe that you met Mary?


Of course not, you can’t. There is a chasm between the two groups, the “new wine” group and the “old wine skins” group:

Luke 16: And besides all these things, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that those who want to go over from here to you cannot, neither may people cross over from there to us.’

Acts 13:41 “‘Look at it, you scorners, and be amazed, and perish, for I am doing a work in your days, a work that you will never believe even if anyone relates it to you in detail.’”

But believing me personally is not the issue. The issue is whether you believe the Bible and whether or not the Bible teaches that some from the 1st century would never die until Christ comes. That’s your real problem, believing this:

Matthew 16:41 “Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.”

Now the Bible clearly says some would never die. When Jesus was on the stake he told John in reference to Mary “This is your mother” and to Mary “this is your son.” That was in reference to the two of them at one time having to take care of each other. Mary had other children who could do that, but since they both would be living down to our time, they were to take care of each other. That’s the reference that Mary was chosen not to die. Other scriptures are more direct about Paul not dying or John not dying.

But you also have the other issue of the 144,000. The Bible says all of them are Jews, 12,000 from each tribe. You can try to make that symbolic if you want, but that’s the direct reference. In order to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant a remnant of the 12 tribes must be part o the kingdom. That chosen remnant, that holy root is the 144,000 (Isa. 6:3). But the only way to choose 144,000, 12,000 from each tribe in modern times when Christ arrives is the 12 tribes of Israel have to exist again. The only way to do that was to choose individuals from the 12 tribes who had lineage proof that they were from one of the twelve tribes. Then those individuals were chosen not to die and to live down to our time and then marry into indigenous groups so that by the time Christ came, there could maybe perhaps 1-2 million descendants to choose the 12,000 from. This fulfills what is said in Isaiah:

Isiah 60:22 “The little one will become a thousand
And the small one a mighty nation.
I myself, Jehovah, will speed it up in its own time.”

This is about just individuals from the 12 tribes being used to re-create the 12 tribes in modern times. This is what the Bible teaches. It’s just that along with these chosen members of the 12 tribes, I guess Jesus decided that John, Mary and Paul were to join them and never die.

Now this is too hard for you to accept and you don’t have to accept it, even though it is true and the Bible says so. Remember, Christ does not put “new wine” into “old wine skins” because this truth is too powerful for you to handle. But know this is what the Bible does teach and know that it has miraculously come true.

The message here is that if you are on the outside you cannot understand what is going on in the inside. So just focus on your devotion to God and do your best. You cannot come over to the spiritual side where I am. Everything in the Bible is not for everyone; a lot in the Bible is to be understood by the chosen ones only. But I’m ecstatic because I can see all the inside truth happening and being fulfilled! It’s wonderful.

But at one point — do you really believe the Bible or not? Rejecting that I’ve personally met Mary or not has nothing to do with whether the Bible says she is supposed to have never died. Rejecting what I claim is one thing; rejecting what the Bible teaches is another. Though in this case, God is not forcing you to accept this “new wine” at this time. God will not reject you for it, no more than he rejected the older brother for rejecting the prodigal son’s return.