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Actually, there are two fulfillments to the “generation” reference:
1. One is a generation of 80 years from the first sign, which is a world war, WWI until the second coming, that is during the generation of 1914-1994.
2. The second fulfillment has to do with what Christ said at Matthew 16:28 “”Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Turns out there were two groups back in Christ’s day. Those who would die and be resurrected at Christ’s return, and another smaller select group who would never die until he returned. Among those chosen not to die was the apostle John, Jesus’ mother, Mary, and the Apostle Paul. So in a strict and technical sense, Christ was repeating himself by saying some from his own generation would still be alive when he returned, even though that would be over 1900 years later.
So either application works and both are applicable. Now most do not hae enough faith to accept the latter. But you have only two choices. Either Christ returned before that normal generation of his day died out, or some from his generation would never die until he returned over 1900 years later. Several scriptures support the latter. For instance when Peter asked what Jesus would do to John? Jesus had just told Peter how he would die and thus told him he would be in the group that would die. Peter was basically asking which group John would be in? The living group or the resurrection group?
John 21: “20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
This was not about whether or not some would die and some would live until he came, but only whether or not John would be in the group that would not die, which was none of Peter’s concern. But this clearly establishes two gorups here; one that would die of old age and die out and need to be resurrected and one group that would never die.
In the meantime, Peter includes himself in the “living” who would SURVIVE down to the Lord’s day at 1 Thess. 4:
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that WE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE,who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, WE WHO ARE STILL ALIVE and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.”
So when Jesus in one place says some standing with him, including John, would not see death until he returned and later in the same book that “this generation” would not pass away until he comes, he was expressing the same thing; that some from his generation would live down to modern times!!
This means whether or not we see a second application of 80 years from the first sign of a world war until the second coming is also implied doesn’t matter. If it works out that that occurs, then great, but it is not necessary to fulfill the prophecy in the context of some still being alive from the 1st Century until Christ returns, including John and Paul, obviously, but also Mary.
But just some trivia as we wonder how a group of peole remain undetected as they lived down through the centuries. I’ve met Mary personally and she had an adult son. So it’s possible as they moved from place to place, every 100 years or so they re-youthened! That is, they would move to one place as young people, have kids if they wanted, get old and then move away to a new place before dying, but when they got to the new place, they had a new identity and were young again.
If we are to imply Jesus limited the second coming to occurring prior to 1994, then the second coming has already taken place. Either way the prophecy would work and JWs are clueless as to the correct understanding.
I do not mean to be disrespectful, but do you really think I am going to believe that you met Mary?