The Presidency of Donald Trump

//The Presidency of Donald Trump

It has been called the most significant U.S. presidential election in our time. And there is no reason to doubt that. Even Jehovah’s Witnesses, who, being non-political —hardly giving notice to politics at all —seem to have more than merely a passing interest in this election result. That being so, a few readers have asked for my thoughts on this recent development that seems to have shocked the world.

I am naturally cynical of the whole political scene —as are many. There seems to be just a few politicians who have not been lying con men. Indeed, honest men and women find it virtually impossible to succeed in the corporate  or political world. And we know why that is —Satan the Devil, the one whom Jesus called the Father of the lie, is the god of this dark and turbulent system.

But to put things in proper perspective, there is a God of gods —Jehovah God, and there is the one to whom all power and authority has been conferred —Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords. Of this one the apostle Paul stated at Colossians 2:10 : he is the head of all government and authority. In his letter to the Romans Paul referred to the superior authorities —that is to say, the secular, civil authorities —as being placed in their relative positions by God.

Paul wrote to Timothy urging him to make “supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness.”

Presumably, being the head of all government Christ may intervene from the invisible at times in order to steer history to suit God’s purpose. This is not without precedent. In the book of Daniel the prophet had a supernatural encounter with an angel who revealed to him that he “stood up as a strengthener and as a fortress” to Darius the Mede, the king of Persia. (Daniel 11:1)

In view of the above it seems that since its founding America has been a special place. Although the world has been engulfed in two world wars and countless lesser wars, America and Canada have been relatively unscathed. And the Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses have benefited greatly from the relative peace and prosperity —being able to lead calm and quiet lives of godly devotion. We would not be too off the mark to agree with those patriots who  sing “God bless America.” Obviously, he has blessed the nation.

However, the angel who strengthened Darius only did so temporarily —until God’s purpose was accomplished in connection with his people. Eventually Persia was toppled by Alexander the Great. America is destined for the same eventuality.

While Jehovah’s Witnesses expect all the nations to be crushed by Christ and his angelic cavalry on the battlefield of Armageddon, that is not the eventuality to which I refer.

Exactly 20 years ago in October/November, for no apparent reason I picked up the Bible and began reading in the middle of the book of Ezekiel. Specifically, I started in the chapters 26-32, pertaining to the fall of Tyre and Egypt. I read that span of chapters over and over, as it became readily apparent to me that Tyre and Egypt are intended to foreshadow the Anglo-American duo —the imperial city of Tyre symbolizing London and Egypt portraying America. Their downfall precedes the world-crushing war of Armageddon, which is evident by the fact the the fall of both entities is said to shock the world – being described in prophecy as an appointed time of nations. 

By the way, my obsession with the Hebrew prophets went on for several months —years, really —so that I read the minor prophets like Joel, Amos, Habakkuk, Zephaniah and Micah, dozens of times. That intense study ultimately led to the production of the book, Jehovah Himself Has Become King.

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Abraham Lincoln

As regards the unlikely election of Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States, in order to appreciate the full import of it this event ought to be placed in the context of the centuries-long, ongoing conflict between the two inimical systems of government —the empire and the republic. The empire is what most people call the globalists, or the elite. The republic is the government of the people, by the people, for the people —enshrined in Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.

The Scriptures symbolize this phenomenon as the incongruous mixture of iron and clay and the struggle between the kings of the north and south.

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William McKinley

It has always been the intention of the empire to crush the republic of America. After their failed scheme to support the Confederacy in order to divide the states during the American Civil war, the British resorted to a series of assassinations of American presidents, beginning with Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield and William McKinley. (See Lyndon LaRouche: Why the British Kill American Presidents) About the time C.T. Russel launched the Watchtower movement London put in place a scheme to subvert its wayward colony from within by promoting Anglophiles as presidential candidates. This resulted in the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank in 1913 and luring America into WWI on the side of the British.

After WWI the British set up the Council on Foreign Relations, the American counterpart of London’s Royal Institute of International Affairs, otherwise known as Chatham House. The purpose of the CFR is to develop policies and exert influence over American politics that weaken the nationalistic, isolationist and protectionist tendencies of the republic. The intention of the lords of London is to subvert America into being the neo- British Empire —to use it as their dumb giant to loot and subjugate the world.

However, during the London-orchestrated crash and resultant Great Depression, Franklin Roosevelt dealt the empire a considerable setback, as he went to war against those whom he called the “economic royalists” — in other words, the European imperialists. (Webster Tarpley: How the City of London Created the Great Depression)

Smedly Butler

Smedly Butler

Wall Street even conspired to overthrow Roosevelt by a military coup. Had it not been for the actions of a general and patriot by the name of Smedley Butler the scheme may well have succeeded. Interestingly, all of the conspirators were members of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Obviously, it was not Jehovah’s time to discard America.

Gradually, though, the New Deal and the restraints that Roosevelt had imposed upon the “economic royalists” have been eroded. The Bretton Woods system of fixed rate exchange was dissolved in 1973 and the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed by Clinton in 1999. A mere nine years later the whole system nearly crashed as a result of the unbridled money printing and speculative frenzy that was unleashed as a result. (Although politicians friendly to Wall Street claim that Glass-Steagall would not have prevented the 2008 crash, London let the cat out of the bag in 2010 when a bill came up in Congress to restore the bank separation imposed by Glass-Steagall —calling it a “hostile act.”)

Since then the ongoing bailout of the bankrupt system, via zero percent interest rates for Wall Street, has decimated the middle class and impoverished millions. It was the discontent of the “forgotten man,” a phrase coined by FDR, that was the populist groundswell that has swept Trump into the presidency.

Trump, a Democrat-turned-Republican, is, however, the least likely candidate to renew the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt the John Kennedy. He is, after all, the casino mogul and producer of insipid and stupefying television entertainment, which is the modern version of the Roman Empire’s bread and circuses.

Nevertheless, the political novice and outsider has expressed his determination to renew Roosevelt’s Glass-Steagall Act. For that reason Bloomberg financial news has dubbed Trump as the Devil Wall Street Doesn’t Know. (As opposed to the Devil they know.) It is no secret that Wall Street spent millions of dollars on Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Trump also espouses the same sort of protectionism that is an anathema to the globalists, who see the world as their private property to be exploited.

Perhaps most disconcerting to the globalist cabal who control the military-industrial complex, Trump has stated that he would annihilate the various terrorist groups like ISIS that have been covertly organized, trained and funded by London’s imperial apparatus, primarily Saudi Arabia, that have served as the pretext for the endless war on terrorists, which in reality has been a front for regime change and the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria. 

putinNot only that, Trump has said he would talk to Putin. That may not seem out of the ordinary, since even during the Cold War American presidents regularly communicated with their Russian counterparts. But given the fact that the empire has spent the past 20 years encircling Russia with military bases and failed states, creating an Arc of Crisis on Russia’s borders, and most recently launching a full-scale propaganda campaign against Putin in particular, due to his intervention in Ukraine and Syria, along with international sanctions and even a call to bring Putin up on war crimes, an American president who seeks rapprochement with Russia is unavoidably —perhaps even unwittingly —declaring war on the City of London. (Given Trump’s Scottish heritage, he is probably no Anglophile.)

Whereas, the republic survived the previous assassinations of its leaders and various attempts to overthrow the government and crash the economy, an American president who goes against the war hawks and the vultures of Wall Street and the City of London is quite likely to meet the same fate as Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy. Should Trump proceed on the course he has intimated in his campaign it is inconceivable that the forces arrayed against the American republic, and the nation-state system globally, should idly standby and allow their scheme to be dismantled. After all, it is written regarding the king of the north: “And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place.”Daniel 11:36b

It may well turn out that Trump will be the catalyst that impels the imperialists to accelerate their plot to destroy the United States and implement a global government beyond the reach of the unwashed masses, that “basket of deplorables” that catapulted Trump into the most powerful office in the world. Time will tell.

However, it is well to keep in mind that Christ is the head of all government and during the time of the end Christ will acquisition the antitypical Babylon as his executioner —the killer of nations and punisher of his people. That is the role of the eighth king of Revelation. And the eighth king succeeds the seventh.

Indeed, “what is determined must take place.”


The Deplorables

The Deplorables

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  • Joyce Haze

    Fantastic article!!! I will be making many copies to share with everyone I know. Thank’s Robert.

  • Simpletruth

    Very informative!!! Thank you!!

  • ELiJAHx7

    Great points! Thank you!

  • Anonymous

    Hi Robert. I’ve waiting that you write about this. Some years ago personally i’ve asked to me who is the man that fall in egypt (Ezekiel 30:4).

    What do you think about Robert? Is posible that Trump it will be “the slain fall in Egypt” (Ezekiel 30:4) like happened with Kennedy some decades ago?

    Sorry for my bad english 🙁

    Regards from Dominican Republic!

  • Makes perfect sense!!

  • Candice

    Assasination for turnover!? I have a lot of worries and fears, primarily for my children! I feel there is so much I should be doing, I just do not know where to start! I thank you in advance for any reply!

    • Bklyn Kevin

      Hello Candice and welcome nice to have you with us.
      Now when you said you don’t know where to start – could you please tell me what subject you are referring to?, so I could retrieve the proper reading material for you.

      • Candice

        When I say, where I should start, I’m referring to Jehovah! I do not attend Kingdom Hall, I do however need to build my relationship, knowledge and therefore faith in Jehovah! I feel time is slipping by, I don’t want to run out of time! When Trump won president elect, I had a momentary feeling of relief. Although, that quickly passed as I am aware that time hasn’t stopped and I must start actively gaining a strong relationship with Jehovah. And, with not attending the Halls, I wonder, what else can I do to build my relationship and faith. I know Jehovah reads our heart, but to me I owe him more than a reading of my heart. I am sorry for such a ramble, I have a heavy heart and terrible worry!!

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Well you’re right, time is slipping away but happy you are because you are aware /conscious of your spiritual needs
          Now with that thought in mind I would highly recommend that you start attending meetings and perhaps participate in the field ministry as it is very faith strengthening
          if that’s possibly and of course constant prayers to Jehovah to make the way out.

          Psalm 37:5
          Commit your way to Jehovah; Rely on him, and he will act in your behalf.

          1 Peter 5:6
          Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, so that he may exalt you in due time,
          7 while you throw all your anxiety on him, “because he cares for you.”

          Matthew 6:
          33 “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.

          34 So never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Each day has enough of its own troubles.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Hello Candice, how lovely to see you on site. The worry you speak of…not knowing where to start in your gaining a knowledge of Jehovah, is understandable, given all the talk about the nearness of the tribulation. You mention that Jehovah reads the heart and that you do not feel that this is enough in building a relationship, presumably that you are good enough for Jehovah to find you and your children acceptable. Well, why attribute to Jehovah, the limited thinking and insight of a man?! Jehovah knows from the beginning, the end. He is not bound by time, or dimensions. Do you accept Christ as the ransome and the redeemer, the son of Jehovah? Do you have love for his righteousness, forgivenesses, mercy, depth of understanding? Do you strive to imitate it? If you do, then as is said clearly in the bible, ‘the rest will be added to you.’

          If it helps, I know very little about Jehovah, even though I spent years in the truth. And that which I did have, I have forgotten. But the yoke of Christ is an easy yoke to bear. It is not as the watchtower deems it to be, a list of do’s and do nots. In fact, I am doomed already if entry into the kingdom is based on knowledge and its application in serving Jehovah. But I love Jehovah, the magnificience of his son, the peace and personification of righteousness.

          But you say that you have faith, a heart that is not enough, and are running out of time. If you have faith, the size of a grain of the mustard seed, you will move mountains. If you have a heart of faith, and accept christ as your redeemer, and have love, then you have all you need. If you want to know Jehovah, of course read the bible, learn and take it to heart and inculcate it in your children. Teach them the way and they will grow up in it. We have to learn about him. But will we ever fulfill that dream, that goal? We are, for all our knowledge, beginners. Some know a bit more, some know less. So what really is important right now, this instant?

          If you want an example of Christ’s mercy and insight, and the need for deep learning and insight in order to be acceptable to Jehovah, then read the account of his death. There you will find the thief who entreated him while hanging, ‘Lord, remember me when you get in to your kingdom.’ And Christ replied to him…’sorry, you don’t know enough…’ No he did not! He said to this thief, wrongdoer, who had nothing more than a couple of hours knowledge of him, and that in extreem agony and confusion, ‘truly I say to you, you will be with me in paradise.’ Why? Because he could see his heart condition, his wish to do what was right, his realisation that he deserved his fate (should sin no more), and that he wanted to repent and live righteously. So how can redemption be based on knowledge? It’s not. It’s based on your love of Jehovah, and his son, and of your fellow being, and the inner sense, the spirit to emulate the love and righteousness of Jehovah. Your faith. The wish to learn about him. You have all those things. You just said so. So carry on as you are, and as promised, the rest will be added to you…..and all the knowledge you can handle. And then some. Be happy. You have the truth.

          • Candice

            I thank you so much!! Your loving response has impacted me in a wonderfully positive way! I truly appreciate it!

            • Burt Reynolds

              If ever you need a scripture, ask Brooklyn Kevin or Robert. I think they must own a landfill tip where all scripture has been dumped by the nations!

            • Candice

              Thank you! I still after all these years fumble around in the bible, it’s nice to know I can ask those that have the landfill with all scripture!?

          • DA

            1-John 3:20

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, you are right. Thanks.

            • Sooooo true!

          • Isaac

            I also needed to hear that. Very encouraging.
            May Jehovah continue to bless you

          • Ryan Hall

            I was raised in the truth. never baptized. I was out for about 10 years. I just started going back and studying in early September. Your reply was very encouraging. I’m trying to build my faith. I’m glad I read this

            • Burt Reynolds

              Then you have done more than me. I feel as though I ride a pedal bike in the race of life, with everyone passing by in their formula one racing cars, offering me a lift. But I don’t want it because I don’t want to go back to the Kingdom Hall with all the strife that will cause me, not just from an unbelieving mate whom I dearly want to save, and not distance from me, and from the antagonism of mind that I will have in going back, and all that such will entail. I choose the easy way out by clinging to the hope that the temple of Jehovah resides with the heart, and that my minuscule ministry is by Internet and family. I tell you, if that talent given me by the master was made of metal, it would have rusted away long ago, into dust, but I am just worn out with a life time of stress. What I did do for Jehovah in eagerness and with the innocence of uncaring zeal, I did 35 years years ago, but then I found out it was a ministry of watchtower lies. Be that as it may, it is only he who endures to the end that will be saved.

            • Ryan Hall

              well your words of encouragement helped me, i even got my girlfriend to go twice, she doesnt believe in it much but she supports me no matter what I do. I just feel the time of the End is so near, never was a strong believer in it untill now, and im no Angel, i have done many bad things in my life. But I’m praying for Jehovah’s forgiveness. I try to go Just Sundays. Its a start. They tell me Jehovah doesn’t forget people who don’t forget him. We both haven’t forgotten.

            • Joseph Stephan

              Welcome to the site Ryan, so nice to have you here with us! May Jehovah continue to bless you.
              https://e-watchman.com/where-are-you/

          • That was powerful brother Burt, you are a true Gemstone in a sea of rocks we call life!

          • Beverly kenyon

            Your post to Candice is so beautiful, inspirational and insightful Burt…I love it! It warmed the cockles of my heart on a cold winter day. And you’re so right about Gordon Ramsey…foul mouthed, loud and pretentious…he knocks me sick! Euww!

            • Cocheta

              good to see you back here as a non-lurker, Manc, I missed you while you were silent

            • Beverly kenyon

              Can’t stop laughing Cocheta! My first impression of Cocheta was, she’s not very ‘Spanishey’ and I thought she’s educated and feisty already….mmmmm I thought. Now I know why…absolutely laughing my head off! Blimey…you’re gooood! MI5 look and learn and weep. Love it! Classic! Missed you too and the banter. You know how it is sometimes life gets in the way but you gotta keep going. Was worried about you and the ‘problem’ …you don’t need that…you must be doing something good Cocheta to be targeted like that but I know you and I know for a fact they’ll know they’ve been in a fight…you’ve done nothing wrong…you’re a truth seeker! Daisy is going back in isn’t she? I was thinking of her only today as I got into a conversation with a cancer sufferer and I thought, WoW, poor Daisy has to go through that all over again. Hope her body can withstand the surgery. That’s horrific! Because Anthony Barajas mentioned my overuse of exclamation marks, I’m scared to use them now! Lol. I’m traumatised! Still love you to bits Concheta…hearing from you is a great ending to a miserable day! X

            • 1914for100Alex

              Use them all you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Awwww, Thank you very kindly 1914, I’ll add those to the ones Burt gave me the other day! Lol.

            • Cocheta

              here you go , Manc, some Spanish exclamation marks – that’ll fool him 😉 ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
              Yup, my problem……huh, I had another problem like that this week & yes, it did go away with a couple of boxed ears too, problems don’t take on Cocheta & get away with it so easily, ooooh nooo. LOL
              Daisy, yes, poor darling Sister Daisy, she went in to have her unwanted squatter removed & hopefully, it’s shrivelled in defeat, she’s another that won’t give in so easily. I love her to bits & I pray every night for her.
              I love you all, which is why I can’t keep away from this place! It’s a bit of a nuisance keep having to make up new profiles though – bet you love my avatar – makes me look so sweet & innocent……… haa sooo – that’s another sin to add to the list. I stole the photo whooops 🙂 xoxoxox

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, Cocheta, I know you know how to deal with annoying ‘problems’ if you’ve done something wrong then hey, take it on the chin but you’ve done nothing scripturally wrong! They’re fascinated with you. So glad to hear she’s had the last of it done and gone and I hope she’s resting up and eating good food and maybe some of the fab spiritual food that Brother King provides for us so she nourishes both body and mind. So glad Daisy has you as a friend…she needs a good support system. She’s really been through the mill! I used one of your Spanish exclamation marks there! Lol. It’s just that little bit quiet when you’re not here on this site so I for one am so happy and made up that you’re here and yes I love that avatar. I scrutinised it and thought, Cocheta is beautiful and mysterious and looks very femme fatale! I thought I think the GB are now sending out the heavies to take us out! She looks hard as nails! Isn’t it fabulous about Joyce Haze and her daughter. So happy for Joyce…she really wanted that to happen. Soooo happy Cocheta that you’re here…you’re a lovely, lovely lady! I don’t think I could fit anything else on my sin list…at least you’ve got room on your’s. Lol. xoxoxo

            • Beverly kenyon

              Cocheta, don’t know about you but I lost an hour of my life yesterday during the WT study. I felt like when I a parent says to a teenager, ‘you’re not going out dressed like that!’ Surely that subject about Dress Code could’ve been an announcement given out at the Thursday meeting. I know it must be a worldwide problem but a whole study…seriously!! Every aspect of our lives are controlled..we possibly can’t make grown up decisions…duh! One sister said we should bend over in front of the mirror to check our skirts…eh! How short is your skirt? Charming! Whatever works for you love but that’s insane! Even beach wear was mentioned about having to be modest…is it going to be Burkini beach wear next?? Oh, and a full veil! One sister also mentioned about being given a list of appropriate wear when visiting the Bethel. Isn’t that a bit like the Muslims doing their yearly Hadjj…Brother King wrote a brilliant article on the controlling Dress Code. It was brought out that our form Dress makes us different! No! Because some of the brothers look no different when on the ministry from the Mormons I see prancing about and some of the sisters look no different to the Jewish ladies I see in the predominantly Jewish areas here in Manchester. We’re on the brink of Catastrophe sometime in the future and we’re studying Dress Code! I was sitting there thinking..I wanna go home and mainline on Ewatchman…(not literally mainline, but spend my precious time studying the real and relevant things of God’s word). The association was good though…on the plus side.

            • Song of Hannah

              Agreed!
              The hypocrisy of this WT study became clear when comparing par #3 with Par #17.

              We can agree when we are told we are not under the Mosaic Law, but that it helps us to understand God’s view and feelings on matters. But how come this principle is totally disregarded when it comes to Jehovah’s view of beards?

              Lev 19:27 “You must not shave the hair on the side of your head or disfigure the edges of your beard.”

              If he felt strongly enough about it to include this in his law, how is it that anyone dares to make any rules or stipulations that one must be completely clean-shaven to serve in any capacity?

              It’s so obviously hypocritical, it just boggles my mind.

            • Beverly kenyon

              We’re not under the Mosaic law but we’re gonna tell you what to do anyway!!! Oh, my goodness Hannah I thought..am I the only person that’s noticed that blatant contradiction….paragraph 17 and as you pointed out parargraph 3. Yeah, I also meant to mention the beard thing as well so glad you brought it out. There was a lot of eye rolling and a few sighs coming from me yesterday and I don’t care who noticed..but hopefully no one did. One young brother answered up saying, the way we dress SHOULDN’T affect our worship to Jehovah, but was quickly shot down in flames by our special pioneer (him and his wife, both French were sent to our congregation, don’t know why) who then said, it WOULD affect our worship…blah, blah, blah…can’t remember the rest as I had zoned out at that stage as some of the answers were getting silly. Yesterday was hard going!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hey Hannah, thinking about it I don’t think I was the only one to notice their contradiction about the beard thing as there’s a brother who’s a hipster with his beard…he’s trendy but nothing inappropriate. I noticed he was answering up all over the place when he’s usually pretty quiet so maybe he was trying to deflect attention from his beard, lol, or he thought I’m not having this about beards as they’re clearly making this stuff up to suit! I think he was fighting back! Lol.

            • ewatchman

              Hi Beverly. I was planning on going to the Sunday meeting the other day, and a couple hours before the meeting I gave the WT study article a quick look and I just couldn’t bring myself to get up and go.

            • LW

              Not to worry. When the article about the GT comes around (as it does at least once a year or so) that may be the time to go. 😉

            • Beverly kenyon

              Good call Brother King. You would’ve lost the will and at least an hour of your life…beyond tedious!

            • Burt Reynolds

              That was a close shave then!

            • In honor of all my beautiful bearded brothers and sisters , let you light shine and your razor rest.

            • Kevin b

              I had a feeling that was you. Lol!

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              I did not understand what is wrong in having a beard. Even Jesus had beard!!! Hey having a beard is not a Sin. People those who shave and follow all the policies of the society yet they do Child abuse. But a person having Beard is faithful to Jehovah. Now say who is bad and worst. According to every one the man who shaved the bread and who did the child abuse is bad and worst but according to WTS the man who is having Beard even though faithful to Jehovah but did not follow societies policy is bad.

            • Isaiah 5:20 ESV

              Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

            • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

              To
              Respected Brother SaltySeaBeard
              Brother could you please tell me what happened? Because you talk about beard. Have the org did some injustice to you because of beard? Kindly tell me, I want to hear you. By the by where are you from? I am interested in you to listen. Are you now a active member or d becasue of small things?

            • Greetings brother BofNK,
              Nothing happened, just changed my photo to show some love to all our bearded brothers after Sundays watchtower study. Most halls in the USA look down on you if you have a beard, I know crazy right. I’m a baptised servant of Jehovah since 1982, by the organizations standards I would be considered inactive because I don’t and never will honor a man made rule of counting time. I don’t seek special favors and praise because of a monthly report. Jehovah knows me and my works, that’s all that matters in the END. Sending you my love from the east coast of the USA to all the brothers and sisters in India. ❤

            • DA

              youre awesome. same here man

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s just really, and I mean really so funny. Crying laughing! Only you Brother SaltySeaBeard could come up with that. A picture speaks a thousand words and that picture is really talking!

            • Kevin b

              That whole beard paragraph is a joke. When you read it you think the branch has softened their view on beards. In a since they have, in print, if you take it for what it says. But in reality the branch isn’t standing behind what’s in print or setting a new standard or rule. Each congregations body of elders has final say if brothers can have privileges and a beard. That last statement is not in the lesson but if you write the branch about it, that’s what they will say in their response. Most elders are and have been so brainwashed about beards that they can’t and won’t change their viewpoint on the matter. It’s like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey, he has no shot or chance of getting the carrot. Most brothers won’t have privileges and a beard, in the USA. There are a few exceptions here and there. The only thing that makes since to me is that Satan is in a lot more control of the organization that most people realize. We here on ewatchman know this but regular JWs have know idea. Satan loves to cause problems everywhere, especially within the organization. A lot of brothers are really upset about this and are tired of the control the branch has over each of us. This has the potential to be a huge stumbling block for many JWs inside the organization. This reminds me of a scripture in Eph 6:4 And fathers, do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and admonition of Jehovah.
              Its very irritating to be told from the watchtower that you can have a beard and privileges from the watchtower if it’s acceptable in your culture, but your local elders over rule it, and act like they have the power to do so.

              Eccel 8:9 All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm.

              Just one more thing to endure until Jesus takes over the wheel and removes the elders from their positions.

            • e.v.g

              I can’t imagine the apostle Paul talking one complete hour about beards and clothing, but a can imagine the apostle talking one day complete rebuking them related to the 1914 year and all that. The leadership of JW’s have nothing important to say. This is irritating.

            • Beverly kenyon

              The whole beard thing Kevin b, came across as passive aggressive….if a brother has a skin condition then he might have to have a beard but we’re telling you beards aren’t allowed and we will enforce it by stopping you having privileges if you don’t fall in line. Like the word of God doesn’t exert power and a person won’t listen to the Good News of the kingdom if the person telling of that message has a beard! The Man of Lawlessness really has a grip of Jehovah’s Household and keep throwing in those grenades. Kevin b I have never looked at that scripture Eph 6:4 in relation to me being a child and being irritated but looking at it how you’ve brought it is an eye opener to me and I can’t wait to tell my friend who’s having a bit of a struggle, about that and Eccels 8:9. It’s coming at those scriptures at a different angle to what I was originally taught. It’s like most of what I’ve taught is being tipped upside down on its head…that’s why I so love this site. I can’t begin to tell you how extremely super excited I am and I get when I learn from ones on here….it’s truly an international brotherhood..and it goes without saying thanks to Brother King and his hard work bringing it all together by looking intently into God’s Word for real truths…it’s a humbling feeling. Knowing why these things are happening to God’s people makes it a bit easier to endure that one more thing as you say. Thank You Kevin b.

            • Kevin b

              Trust me, they make no allowances for skin conditions either in my case anyway. A line is drawn in the sand and you better not cross it. That’s ok, it makes them look bad in the end. The friends know what the watchtower says on this issue, and they can see the elders attitude about it.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry to hear Kevin b that you’ve personally experienced their man made rule…they’re hurting people. At my congregation during the WT study they were bleating on about people from different cultures and Brothers maybe with skin conditions, allowances being made for them when the reality is completely different! Like you pointed out, it makes them look bad and a laughing stock as that man made rule is ridiculous! Pharisaical! It’s so very hard to take that humbly and to put up and shut up when you know it’s stupid. But like you said, one more thing to endure under their reign. Hope their 15mins feels lovely…hope it feels enjoyable cos a change is coming!

            • Burt Reynolds

              Just a minute….didn’t Russel have a beard? So Jehovah used him in spite of his beard, but frowns upon it now? I suppose that was ‘old light’ and now they’ve set new light to his beard.

            • Beverly kenyon

              That’s Genius, Burt, I’m sure I’ve seen pictures of CT Russel with a beard….it was all the rage back then and I think hipsters have copied that look to be fashionable and to look cool…it’s a very farming, country gent, manly look. So the Gaul was wrong when he said, it would affect our worship to Jehovah…he had the Gaul to say that when it’s ridiculous.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I know when they offered Gaul on a sponge to Christ to drink that he refused it. (Hardly surprising really as French wine is like vinegar at times). Even back then the French were unpopular! I used to wear flares, stack heeled boots and a droopy moustache and no one complained to me, unless I slouched during the watchtower. I had slouching down to an art form. Still do. Groovy!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yeah, the French and their pretentious wines…I prefer German…but have to admit that the best ever croissants I ever had was in the South of France and me and my friend ended up in Toulouse instead of Toulon because she pronounced Toulon wrong..she was speaking like Insepector Clouseau (Pink Panther movies). It sounds Burt, like you had that Huggy Bear look going on (Starsky & Hutch)…I think the slouch was a cool swagger. Giggling so much at that image. Hilarious! No wonder your elders thought you were trouble..when you swaggered in at the Kingdom Hall in your platform shoes…Happy Days. You need to get back to your Kingdom Hall…minus your platforms but slouchier than ever before and maybe a beard. Thank you Burt for always making me laugh and your beautiful wisdom. A true Wordsmith.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Just a quick PS Burt, if Cocheta is reading this sorry about mentioning German as I know you’ve recently been traumatised by you-know-who!

            • 1914for100Alex

              Is there a verse that reads: ‘To the hipsters I became a hipster (and grew a beard), in order to gain the hipsters.’? No? Well, there you go then. There’s their justification ; )

            • Burt Reynolds

              Absolutely. I was a bit of a hippy myself once, but I was never ‘far out’ I just got on down (man). I remember going to Vondels Park in Amsterdam, the Mecca for hippies in those days, but there are only so many flowers you can pick. It was a vacuous pastime. I know in the Book of Burt, ch 3:7 it says (and I quote) ‘thou shalt not pick and choose scripture to suit your policies, or make the groovy brothers go unbearded because of your insecurities. Neither shalt thou build palaces for thyself in whose inner plush apartments you shalt stick on false beards and make mockery of the tribe of Levi.’ But for some reason the new world translation has omitted the whole book.

            • 1914for100Alex

              Don’t worry, Burt. As soon as The Dead Seabeard Scrolls are found, the Book of Burt will be proven authentic, and surely be included!

            • Beverly kenyon

              1914, Cant begin to tell you how much you and Burt have got me laughing here. You’re both on blistering form!! That’s a really good one…hipsters, love it.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Was there a watchtower article on beards and clothing? They were rattling on about beards back in the 70s. It was rubbish then and its rubbish now. I don’t even know why I’m writing about it! You’re right though, it is a control thingy, they are grasping at straws to keep people frightened enough to stay. I wonder if they would bother witnessing to a bearded lady in a circus? We had a brother Beard in our congregation, and they didn’t disqualify him from serving, they made him an elder. I can’t help thinking it would be wrong to shave off your beard simply because some elder thinks you should. It would just be plain two faced, but I suppose the long and short of having a beard would be to have designer stubble. You might get away with that in the congregation, but it wouldn’t be the first close shave a brother has had with the elders. Well, I’m off out to take my bearded collie for a walk. He’s an atheist so no worries there for him.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Burt, you’ve got me laughing out loud again…really laughing! Classic! Have you thought of doing stand up as a second job? You’re a natural! At least we’re getting the benefit of your talent for free here on Ewatchman. Wonder if Brother Beard was around for the WT study last Sunday…awkward! That hipster Brother on Sunday has has a close shave with elders as he’s still got his beard going. I’m so tempted in all seriousness to ask an elder if it would okay to witness to a bearded lady or do we discriminate because of that ‘rule’. That would make for an interesting reaction.

            • DA

              everyone should follow Jesus footsteps closely (as the WT says to do) and grow a fat beard like the WT illustrates Jesus as having

            • No doubt those presently associated with Bethel who are judged to be faithful will find themselves on the street, BEARDED, homeless and hungry. That is the situation in which the sheep and the goats will be judged as to how they treat those who are crushed by the disciplinary hand of Jehovah during the judgment of the house of God.

            • DA

              haha

            • Beverly kenyon

              Superbly Brilliant point DA…well remembered and so true! Ha! Got them there! Can’t argue with that. And it’s like SaltySeaBeard (can’t say that name without giggling…sorry DA, I know, I’m very childish), pointed out man made rules like that is causing many to be stumbled and I’m not in the least surprised that Elders are leaving as well because they’re the ones having to implement such pointless time wasting rules.

            • Kevin b

              A lot of people saw their blatant hypocrisy in the lesson Sunday. They are their own worst enemy when it comes to some of the topics they choose to write about. Chipping away piece by piece until it comes crashing down

            • There is another aspect to consider. The growing numbers of persons leaving the Watchtower are doing so out of disgust for the organization itself. They are sickened by the hypocrisy of the leadership. They are stumbled, as Jesus said many would be. So, unless elders are willing to address the underlying issues such as espoused on the Watchman’s Post, there is very little that elders can do to encourage such persons. In fact, elders themselves are among those who are leaving.

            • Burt Reynolds

              That’s very true. It was said in my profession….all too often….that people do not leave their vocation, they leave their manager….or in this case, the governing body. It is a strange madness that affects the governing body in that they are unable it seems, to get by on the word of Jehovah alone and must share in his glory – or rob Jehovah of it – and impose their own thinking as though they too are co-authors with Jehovah . As Jehovah made man with facial hair and then gave him free will, who then are the governing body to say otherwise? The only reason that holds water is that they deem their authority otherwise.

            • Burt Reynolds

              It might be interesting for you to know that during the 1600s there was a religion that decided that all the congregants should be naked because that was they way God made us. The behavioural code was written down in a book….I would have bought it if I had the money at the time, but I didn’t. But I read some of it and the illustrations….well. But if you want rules and regulations it makes the gb look angelic. Regardless, the governing body have run dry in their scope for teaching. They have been repeating the basics for years, as they do not have any insight into prophesy. All I can suggest that as there is no biblical doctrine against sisters having beards, that you all avail yourselves of one from your local joke shop or makeup artist and sit in on the next meeting. At least you won’t lose an hour of your life and will be laughing about it for years to come. And the French at your meeting? They have some Gaul coming over here.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Burt, I’m crying laughing now. You come out with some classic one liners…it’s the way ya tell ’em. So, so funny! Actually they do have a Gaul coming over here as he can be a bit stroppy and his wife was upset that her hair went curly in the rain just before she went on the platform at our assembly the other week. They were a right lot in that religion in the 1600’s and the thought of the illustrations…Euwww! That’s a brilliant point Burt about the GB really having nothing left to give and I still am a bit of a St Trinian girl at heart and would’ve loved to have done the joke beard thing yesterday. Hilarious! Also, loved that one about your dad’s cracked pipe being run over by the bus and the beak burger and who can forget using the bear as a pillow or was it the lion? It still make me really laugh out loud! I LOVE the British sense of humour but I must admit some of the American brothers on this site are serious contenders.

            • LW

              You have a point. But remember, what will be more important for us: Knowing what will exactly happen in the future or simply being PREPARED for come what may?

              We all need reminders. And guess what? As the standards continue in a vicious downward spiral, what do you think will happen to true Christians? You can be assured that they will feel an ever increasing amount of pressure.

              I saw this on a secular site and I think it bears repeating here: Having foreknowledge is not enough, resisting is not enough, but knowing and trusting the true source of help is what will matter. This isn’t about whose the physically toughest or even whose the most knowledgeable spiritually and etc. along the lines of ‘the strong will survive’ or ‘survival of the fittest’.
              That is not what matters to Jehovah! What he looks for are humility and obedience!

            • Beverly kenyon

              Yes LW, it should be important knowing what will happen in the future and being prepared mentally and if possible physically…it’s good to be in good shape anyway and yes reminders are good but isn’t it common sense to dress appropriately and if the young ones are dressing improper surely a family member should reign them in or if they won’t listen then maybe an elder could reason with them. My child isn’t a witness but I most definitely wouldn’t want her to walk out the door looking like a street walker…fortunately she dresses well…it’s all about having respect for yourself and if you’re a witness, Jehovah first. Also, I do not want to be a well dressed corpse if I’m missing out on more important spiritual food. I also agree with the first bit of the last paragraph of your post and I am working on humility…it’s a tough one that and for NOW I’m bearing in mind Jesus’ counsel about ‘do as they say but don’t do as they do.’ But when the judgement starts with Jehovah’s house I will NOT be obedient listening to their so called ‘life saving instructions.’ During that time my obedience will not be with the WT and GB, it will be with my King Jesus Christ and that is my resolve.

            • Cocheta

              didn’t go on Sunday, too disgusted by the article. I wouldn’t have been able to stop myself going ‘pffffffttt’ a few dozen times!

              Off out now to buy a veil.

              Betcha I won’t be wearing a skirt during the GT, far too difficult to maneuver when climbing a mountain or digging a cave…..looks like I will still need the obligatory waxing session on a Saturday though according to the WT… ouch 😉

            • Beverly kenyon

              We’ll, you didn’t miss much as you’ve read. Hannah was right bringing out that point about beards. There was a lot of ‘pffftt’ coming from me and some eye rolling thrown in for good measure…couldn’t believe war was being put regarding that issue…was thinking, am I in the twilight zone? You’re so right Cocheta, like what you’d be wearing would be a priority during the GT. Kevin b summed it up good when he said, another thing to endure. Hopefully, until they’re fired soon…bye, bye! Watch yourself in that veil…don’t want you tripping up! Lol.

            • Burt Reynolds

              I must read this. Can you send it me or tell me the date of it so I can find it somewhere? Thanks.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sorry Burt, I don’t understand what you mean? Is it the date of the WT Study article?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes Beverly , I wanted the date of the magazine do that I can look it up. Everyone’s comments has got me interested to read it. I need to know where I can find it on the .org site if possible, Thanks

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Burt, it’s the September 2016 mag and the Study Article for: October 24 – Novemver 27, 2016. I’m not familiar with JW.org site as I really don’t use it as everything I need to know I find here on this site and what I hear at the KH. Of course, if for some reason or other I have to visit that site then I’ll do a fly by other than that I don’t go on it. Hope you find the article and then you’ll see the point Song of Hannah made about their hypocrisy.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Where can I get this article on line, date, or can you send it to me please? I need to read it. Thanks.

          • Cocheta

            you really do say the most amazing things, Burt, truly wonderful

        • DA

          Jehovah knows how many hairs are on your head and when a single bird falls from the sky, hes knows about it. pray to him. Proverbs 4:23
          pray excessively
          1-Thess 5:17

          • Candice

            Thank you! I read Proverbs 4:23
            Above all the things that you guard, safeguard your heart,
            For out of it are the sources of life.
            Thank you for that reminder!

          • Candice

            Thank you for sharing!

        • Anderiega

          Welcome!! Perhaps start with the book of Matthew. I find it soothing and stirring. One day at a time….you can only “eat an elephant one bite at a time!” We are all here together helping each other. I’m so thankful for the support, listening, clarification, and patience I’ve been shown here.

        • Bklyn Kevin

          Please accept my apologies for not giving you a reply sooner, somehow I must have missed your question.

          Candice said “I wonder, what else can I do to build my relationship and faith.?
          I know Jehovah reads our heart, but to me I owe him more than a reading of my heart.

          This is what Jesus said you should do in order to be saved.

          This means everlasting life,their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ
          John 17:3.

          So I recommend you continue to study GOD’s word on a regular basis in order to increase your knowledge as to gain more faith and of course you should pray constantly to Jehovah for wisdom and understanding along with guidance.

          Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let YOUR petitions be made known to God. Philippians 4:6.

          So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him. James1:5.

          Also I would recommend that perhaps you should study with one of the sisters at your local kingdom hall as it would help you immensely to move forward in your endeavor to serve Jehovah and of course you’re always welcome to asks me or anybody else for help with your bible questions as we would be very happy to help.

          • Southern ShaSha

            Dear Kevin, will relate this message to Candice. I know she will be happy to receive it! Thank you for your thoughtfulness!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Thank you very much Sister Southern ShaSha.

          • Candice

            Thank you!! I spent hours last night listening to Mr. Kings podcasts and reading commentary! I absolutely love Hebrews 11:1-40, I have to say, I felt a weight lifted from my shoulders last night, just reading scripture and trying to understand.

    • Welcome Candice, to our little corner of the Internet, were Robert through Jehovah has prepared for us a feast. By searching for Jehovah you are already underway so relax your heavy heart and enjoy the banquet! Nice to have you here with us.

      Joseph ❤ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/345be6a51acbbb462133404e80608ee3b6f2c496bf7e0624c75b61261afe67ed.jpg

      Pull up a chair and join us.

      • Candice

        Thank you! All the wonderful information shared today, so uplifting!

    • Not sure if you had a chance to hear this podcast ❤

      https://e-watchman.com/podcast-5/

      • Candice

        Thank you, Joseph!! I am so glad you shared this podcast with me!! I will be sharing this one with my daughter! I haven’t felt this much inspiration in years! I’m so grateful my mother shared this site with me!! I have so far to go, but feel I am getting stronger, and the love that everyone on this site has shown to a new person coming on is amazing! I’m hoping to see my daughter on site soon, as she is searching and will need all the love that everyone shows towards new comers and one another!

        • If you have found a renewed joy in worshiping Jehovah because of the new understanding you have acquired, thank Jehovah for it. It is his way of caring for you!❤

  • Burt Reynolds

    Hello Robert, are you endorsing your tweet about ww3 being put on hold or just posting the story? You mentioned recently that it does not matter who is in control of the USA it will not make any difference, and besides, above you mention that another route would be via the London bankers and globalists. Would you mind clarifying any new thinking on the situation please? Thanks.

  • DA

    i can say i prayed for Putin ^_^
    hope he helps his people, that being our Russian Christian brothers & sisters too.

    i guess Trump better wear a bulletproof vest and test the food before he eats. been attacked numerous times already. his vice president should be that dewd from Hells Kitchen

    • Burt Reynolds

      Please no! Do you mean Gordon Ramsey? I’ve never seen anyone so self absorbed, piddling round his kitchen bleating about food presentation while millions are dying of starvation.

  • Bklyn Kevin

    If you ask me It’s the calm before the storm remember what the Apostle Paul said”

    For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. 1Thessalonians 5: 2-3.

    Could WWIII begin before they are saying ‘peace and security’?
    Excerpt:
    QUESTION: Is it possible for World War Three to break out before “they are saying: ‘peace and security!’” according to 1 Thessalonians 5:3?

    ANSWER: No. Paul said that Jehovah’s day was coming exactly as a thief in the night. So, once the day of Jehovah begins – that’s it. And according to Jesus, the sign of his thief-like presence will be nation arising against nation – kingdom against kingdom. So, their saying “peace and security” must immediately precede the nations going to war.

    Paul went on to say that sudden destruction would then come upon them as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman. According to that illustration, though, birth pangs do not instantaneously result in the birth of a child, but merely signal the beginning of a process. Likewise, Jesus also made reference to the start of war and other developments as “the beginning pangs of distress.” Read more>
    https://e-watchman.com/could-w

    • Burt Reynolds

      That’s good thinking Kevin. A helpful way of looking at it. I had forgotten that scripture.

    • Shelley.

      I agree with you that this is the calm before the storm.Everything will take place according to Jehovahs plan and timeline.People will feel safe and secure and then just as a thief in the night instant destruction.Jehovah tells us it will not be late it will come at his predetermined time.

    • I do know this much. we can expect the unexpected all the foretold prophecy’s are and will come to pass. we are looking at biblical history in the making and it seems to me that these last days are speeding up. just read Jehovah’s prophetic words and take a long hard look around you.

      Mark 13:8
      8 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in one place after another; there will also be food shortages. These are a beginning of pangs of distress.

      1 Corinthians 14:26
      26 What is to be done, then, brothers? When you come together, one has a psalm, another has a teaching, another has a revelation, another has a tongue, and another has an interpretation. Let all things take place for building up.

      Ezekiel 7:26
      26 There will come disaster upon disaster, and one report after another, and people will seek a vision from a prophet, but the law will perish from a priest and advice from the elders.

      Matthew 24:12
      12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.

      John 15:13
      13 No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.

      Mark 12:31
      31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

      Daniel 8:13
      13 And I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one speaking: “How long will the vision of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation continue, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?”

      1 Peter 4:17
      17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

      1 Thessalonians 5:3
      3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

      clearly we are seeing biblical prophecy taking place and it will not be much longer before Jehovah takes his final stand and does away with this satanic wicked system of things.

      Psalm 37:10
      10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there.

      Matthew 13:41
      41 The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness,

      Jeremiah 29:14
      14 And I will let you find me,’ declares Jehovah. ‘And I will gather your captives and collect you together out of all the nations and places to which I have dispersed you,’ declares Jehovah. ‘And I will bring you back to the place from which I caused you to go into exile.’

      yes we are seeing prophecy taking place right now and I for one am looking forward to Jehovah’s divine justice.

      Revelation 11:15
      15 The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

    • Andres Felipe

      eres un hombre muy sabio kevin …siempre leo los comentarios de todos y definitivamente me siento como un bebe tomando leche despues de 25 años de servicio ….gracias a todos los amo desde colombia

    • Em Aye

      I guess most people can figure that out then. So, that is the ultimate “doomsday impression” global-hoax perfect setup.

      So the Empire Trick is to use Trump to issue a FAKE “peace and security” momentary upswing, sell the next world war as if death stroke doomsday of Revelation 13:3, then run the course upon bamboozled world and Christians and “heal” into world government and the real World Government issued “world peace” in a time of “freedom from care” prosperity like no other time in history for the real 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 in that “world peace” finale.

      One no longer needs to be “a prophet” to see how this will turn out. Run 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 doomsday scare for the premature Christ arrival decoy then just proceed with the world war “abyss” phase to manifest Revelation 17:8-18 into world government, King North, 8th King, etc.

      Most Christians will be bewildered by this trick, for a while. (Daniel 8:13-14)

      • Bklyn Kevin

        Hello Em and welcome. I enjoyed reading your comments thank you.

        Yes you’re right many will be stumbled and completely be fooled into given reverence to the eighth king with the exception of the chosen ones as they will be completely refined like silver and gold and be restored to their right condition Daniel 8:14.

        Em I think you’ll find the article below quite fascinating.

        A King Fierce in Countenance. https://e-watchman.com/king-fierce-countenance/

        • Em Aye

          Thanks. I think the “freedom from care” “by peace bring many to ruin” is the “world peace” and security 1Thess5:1-3 of world government inversion of Matt24:6 not at this time as King thinks but about 15 years from now, under world government.

          With Kings idea the end would be next as per 2Thess2:1-2 merely a little later than the JW premature thinking. World government must come after a sword stroke and recovery and that is some years in the doing. But at least JWs are who fail first of the batch, that oughta be interesting.

  • Basavaraj Of North Karnataka

    My eyebrows got raised. Hey what an article!!! Trump will be the catalyst that impels the imperialists to accelerate their plot to destroy the United States and implement a global government, is a point to be noted. Oh this article has really got fatty stuffs well I will discuss this article with my wife in our daily bible discussion tonight. But the sad part is that many of the JWs are blind. Whenever I read the articles of Robert King I want to tell in the kingdom hall but majority won’t listen, leave others my own family members my father-in-law and my brother-in-laws as they themselves are elders who lead the congregation where I go. They are staunch society men. They know I have a different view, they know that what I say is scripturally and logically acceptable but they are not ready to leave their position and listen to me. So far I did not get Dis- fellowshiped becasue I am their Son-in-law, If I would have been someone else by this time I would have been dis- fellowshipped. Well I am happy I have conveyed the matter that 1914 is wrong and that Jesus porousia is a future event at which both America and its Democratic system and God’s earthly organization is going to be destroyed, the eight king will rise and subsequently Christ will destroy at Armageddon. They at least know that I am different and that I know the truth what is not taught in the Watch Tower.

  • Sun

    1. who are Gods people? Yes the chosen one’s
    2. do you know who are chosen?
    3. we see we know nothing about who the real Gods people are.
    4. only a chosen one know he is chosen, but he know not other chosen one’s, thats not possible today.

    • LW

      It must be a warm feeling inside for one that is chosen, with the ‘special operation of holy spirit’.

  • 1 Thessalonians 5:3

    3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

  • Charles

    Hello,
    What an unexpected victory for Donald Trump! I have been following a thread on e-jw.org about Donald Trump and there is one brother that based on the Bible fortold Donald Trump would win the presidency. Quite amazing!

    • ewatchman

      Every new president for the past 20 years always brings out the ignoramus soothsayers claiming that the anti-christ has risen, blah, blah, blah.

      • So true, I’m sure there will be a whole new batch of YouTube videos claiming that topic.

      • Burt Reynolds

        Yes, that was me that made the prediction. I have been trolling the JW.org and added an extra scripture…..easily done with all their new ones…one more doesn’t make any difference. If you add up all the prediction dates of the watchtower, divide this number by seventy weeks, plus three and a half years, then apply the first five digits to the Roman alphabet, you get the word PMURT, an anagram of Trump, if you hold it to a mirror of polished metal.

      • Anonymous

        Hi Robert. I’ve waiting that you write about this. Some years ago personally i’ve asked to me who is the man that fall in egypt (Ezekiel 30:4).

        What do you think about Robert? Is possible that Trump will be “the slain fall in Egypt” (Ezekiel 30:4) like happened with Kennedy some decades ago?

        Sorry for my bad english 🙁

        Regards from Dominican Republic!

        • DA

          its not a singular specific individual but an example of one of those in Egypt

        • ewatchman

          It is not referring to an individual or a specific person. The slain that fell in Egypt were the multitudes who were killed by the Babylonian invaders.

          • Anonymous

            Ok. Thanks!. However… the Trump’s attitude and facts, is facing the plains of “the empire”. Is possible that they decide do the same that with Kennedy! And then… start “a day of clouds, an appointed time of nations” (Ezekiel 30:3)…. just when the people are saying “peace, and security”. Is only my humble opinion. Best regards!

            • LW

              Just have to pay close attention

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    • LW

      Happening faster than we realize

    • Burt Reynolds

      I don’t think it is an uprising but you are right that it’s our future. We have the same manifestation in this country. People vote for a political party because they are there, and they vote for the one that convinces them of a beneficial change. So too they vote because there is no one else to vote for and here at least, they simply have a choice of two corrupt party’s, one seemingly less corrupt than the other according to their political leanings. One of the attractions of trump was his promise to clear out that corruption, but he is apparently corrupt himself and has court charges pending according to the news. An uprising is not an obedient attendance at polling stations, no matter what party you vote for. An uprising is outside the law with the intent to oust the government. That’s not happened here and this story is yet more of the same hype to suggest that people have a choice, a vote that counts. Well they don’t. This is still part of the end as you say, part of the devils machinations or at very best, a manipulation by Jehovah for the execution of his will. All politicians are corrupt. It is just that some are more corrupt than others. Anarchy will arrive for certain, but not with a view to change, but with a view to survive. But it will be too late, as they will simply be seeking change for themselves on their terms, not to invite in the paradise of Jehovah. It’s a shame that these commentators cannot see this.

      • Brian

        Yes, but I am still of the belief that there will be the opportunity for all of those looking on when the Kingdom does arrive to make an informed choice choice as to which way to go, Gods Kingdom or what is presented as Gods Kingdom made by mankind, i.e. the beast and it image presented by the two horned beast.
        It really has to be such an event that no one person on this earth can say that they didn’t see it or witness it, as the result of following Satan’s false “Gods Kingdom” is the second death there has to be no doubt in peoples choices.
        At this point the beast is not ruling or is even in complete existence and it has no total power over mankind, of course this will change in, on or around the time of the great tribulation or the Kingdoms arrival, then it will be seating itself in Gods Kingdoms place.

        • Cocheta

          I’m inclined to agree with your point that the ‘lookers on’ will have the chance to make an informed choice, Brian. For an example perhaps, what about all those who have been stumbled & left the Org (not the ‘haters or turned atheist ones) Those also who have already heard of Jehovah but have been turned off by the WT teachings & beliefs (think of the blood issue, pedophiles, false teachings, cult behaviour etc.)

          There must be thousands of people who have a genuine love for God, as opposed to Jehovah, because they never had the chance to find the absolute truth. My daughter was asking about this ‘what about those really kind people who try their best to live up to their morals/consciences etc., but don’t follow Jehovah because they don’t know Him?

          ……….. “this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the earth & then the end will come” – maybe it is to take place at the end of the system when Jesus is revealed, giving everyone a final witness & a last chance to make a choice, After all, there is to be a final witness from the two witnesses – would this be the last opportunity to believe before the door is firmly closed? Jehovah is not unrighteous that He would not give a final warning.

          • LW

            We’ll have to see ultimately. The Bible speaks of a message of judgement (which may or may not be the same as the final witness, I honestly am not sure) letting mankind know for a certain that this present age is about to end.

            What’s so interesting about our current time is that the veil is coming down and so the stage is already being set.

          • Teleologist

            Cocheta, you said:
            “Those also who have already heard of Jehovah but have been turned off by the WT teachings & beliefs (think of the blood issue, pedophiles, false teachings, cult behaviour etc.)”.
            What is your view of the blood issue?

            • Cocheta

              ufff, Tele, I know what the Bible says about the issue & that is that really. I never really bothered what the GB say about it because it is so confusing. All I do know though is that in my country you have no choice, if they say you need a transfusion you get one & fight about it later, you are jailed for refusing to let your children have a transfusion.

              Hah, in Ireland we used to have jokes about the things we say out on the ministry ” Sorry I am late, but the householder brought up blood”……..” I got stuck on a door” ……..

            • Teleologist

              Cocheta said:

              “Tele, I know what the Bible says about the issue & that is that really. I
              never really bothered with what the GB said about it because it is so confusing.”

              To me it is not only confusing but absolutely wrong. I was just curious as to why you thought some JW’s have been stumbled and turned off by the
              blood issue.

            • Cocheta

              it was not JWs I was referring to, Tele, but the general public, specifically those who have heard about Jehovah but have heard wrongly about the blood issue. There are many people who say, ‘Yes, the JWs are good people but they prefer to let their children die because they won’t accept blood’, you must have heard that.

              My parents were the same & actually disowned me for becoming a Witness, my father actually struck me out of his Will because of that & the belief that JWs have to hand over 10% of everything they earn – false views, yes, but try reasoning with someone who refuses to listen to reason!

              The general public have had the blood issue put in front of them for so long & they don’t even consider that there are alternatives to blood, so, yes, it does stumble them & turn them away from our God.

            • Teleologist

              The Watchtower Society teaches that taking blood fractions is a matter of conscience. Do you agree with that? Can one claim they abstain from blood when they take fractions derived from the donated blood supply?Many JW’s think using from blood is contrary to abstaining from blood. How about you?

            • Cocheta

              what I think & what JWs think may be two entirely different things. I have stated my opinion on the matter which is DO NOT TAKE BLOOD….full stop (period) End of discussion!

            • Free at Last

              When Paul advised believers to abstain from blood what precisely did he mean? During that time how was blood obtained and how was it used by those pagans who Paul seemed to be associating its use with? Did Paul state that there was some penalty for not abstaining from blood? Who were the peoples who made use of blood in a manner that Paul did not approve of?

              This discussion has been most interesting to observe. It is discomfiting to see how strongly some have become attached to a belief they may not fully comprehend and shocking to see how others are judged to be less deserving of our Heavenly Father’s Love and Forgiveness than they deem themselves to be.

              It is exceedingly difficult to break free from the cult mindset which is strongly in evidence. Why on earth would anyone think that Our Father in Heaven, for whom All Things Are Possible, is somehow limited in His Abilities or His Plans for All of His Creation?

              Is it not written that ALL will be resurrected?

              Did not the Son of Man, the Lamb, sacrifice his earthly life in order to Save the Entire World? Is not that how it has been written in His Word?

              In many ways the witnesses of today have become as the Pharisees who had hatred for the Son of Man and all that he stood for.

            • Free at Last

              I suppose it should be added that the blood which is most highly prized for ritual purposes is “adrenalized blood.” The victims are brutalized before they are murdered, often by strangling, for maximum adrenalin content which imparts great strength and stamina almost immediately to those who drink of it. This practice is very old, going back to the earliest followers of the Father of the Lie or Satan the Devil; aka the Manslayer.

            • Burt Reynolds

              What is your understanding on blood and the penalties then?

            • Free at Last

              We must have a clear understanding of what “abstain from blood” was intended to convey. It was known then that certain pagan peoples did both drink and eat blood of animals or humans that they had killed. The temple sacrifices set the example for believers in the Almighty God and His Laws where the animals were dispatched respectfully and gently and their blood was poured out onto the ground or used ceremonially as a sacred symbol of absolution. While blood is circulating within the living being it supports life; when the blood is lost the being dies. Blood is therefore sacred and should not be used in a manner that would lead any people to believe that the Israelites were the same as the pagans.

              Is a transfusion in support of life to be equated to the earlier practices of pagan ritual?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              1 Timothy 4:
              4 The reason for this is that every creation of God is fine, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving
              5 for it is sanctified* through God’s word and prayer over [it].

            • Burt Reynolds

              Hello free at last, please would you elaborate on your last statement where you ask if a transfusion should be equated to eating blood. The scripture is quite clear in that it says abstain from blood, yet you point out correctly, that Jehovah gave us animals to eat. But it is also true that the pouring out of blood is symbolic, thus the animals that we do eat, have had their blood let out, thus fulfilling the requirement. I for instance would not eat game and I would remove any obvious blood from anything I eat out of respect for the law anyway. That the symbolism of the act of transfusion is ignored, in other words, that the blood is taken out of one person and put into another without the ritual being observed in law, to my mind inhibits such use. Yet Jesus also gave voice to the fact that who would not go out into the field on a sabbath day to save an animal? So it may appear that some insight on our part is required, after all, a law of Jehovah is a law of Jehovah, and in this case, the saving of life is the issue, but the law broken is of unequal value in illustrating the values of Jehovah because one act transgresses his right as the life giver. The other act, Saving such a life does not involve the right to life, no matter how tragic that may be. So what is your evaluation of your question please. Thanks.

            • Free at Last

              You ask good questions Burt. Questions which I’ve also wondered about for a good many years. Whenever some aspect of what is written in the Holy Bible seems ambiguous, vague, unclear or enigmatic I have found the best course of action is to request the counsel of The Helper in prayer to Our Heavenly Father by describing what it is I’m not able to comprehend and asking Our Father to please provide, in accordance with His Will, any clarification He may desire me to be granted. Then wait patiently while renewing the request frequently in the name of His Firstborn Son. Sooner or later things are somehow brought to my attention which assist greatly in developing the sought after understanding. In surprising ways and from diverse and unexpected sources. Our Father and His Faithful Son work in mysterious ways and I’m both delighted and exceedingly thankful to find that their love extends to all who sincerely seek their assistance. Rather than answering your questions directly at this time I’d rather hear what others have come to understand or how they’ve struggled with trying to make sense of this very important issue. Our Father truly does love each and every one of us as was so elegantly demonstrated in the life of Saul who became Paul. At the proper time all will be transformed and healed in a similar fashion. That is the promise of the Good News.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Matthew 16:25
              For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it;
              but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.

              So if one tries to save his soul in this life in direct defiance of Jehovah’s command to abstain from blood he could lose his eternal soul / life that Jehovah has promised in the resurrection to the faithfully loyaled.

              Now with this thought in mind one may ask “how does mercy fit in since Jesus said he wants mercy ? Well it doesn’t not immediately anyway however when one proves faithful with undivided loyalty to Jehovah as Job did then Jehovah will show his ultimate mercy by bless all the faithful with double fold like he did with Job and as Jehovah promised he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.

              Read more>
              Job 42:10. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/job/42/#v18042010
              Revelation 21:4.Read more>
              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/revelation/21/#v66021004

            • Burt Reynolds

              I agree Kevin.

            • Free at Last

              So if one tries to save his soul in this life in direct defiance of
              Jehovah’s command to abstain from blood he could lose his eternal soul /
              life that Jehovah has promised in the resurrection to the faithfully
              loyaled.

              Paul’s writings in the sixth chapter of Romans may shed some light.

            • Cocheta

              I have been staring at your comment for 2 days now & wasn’t going to answer you, but I really need to find out what you are meaning & why??
              This discussion started off because I said “Those also who have already heard of Jehovah but have been turned off by the WT teachings & beliefs (think of the blood issue, pedophiles, false teachings, cult behaviour etc.)…that was about the gen public, not JWs, btw. It was in answer to a comment that maybe some people other than JWs might be saved at the Final Day of Jehovah, nothing to do with starting this whole discussion about the blood issue that has now been hammered to death.
              Where do you see that I have intimated that some feel less deserving than others to receive forgiveness from Jehovah?

              I was not talking about any who will be resurrected, I was talking about BEFORE Armageddon happens, in the build-up to the Final Day. I am well aware that those who die before Jesus attains power will be resurrected & those who are killed will not be resurrected.

              Your last sentence has thoroughly upset me.

              I am not saying all this to argue, you have genuinely confused me, in a similar way to that which Teleologist did when he read my comments wrong (selective reading skills!!)
              I need to understand why you have pointed all this out to me in particular.

            • Free at Last

              It was in answer to a comment that maybe some people other than JWs
              might be saved at the Final Day of Jehovah, nothing to do with starting
              this whole discussion about the blood issue that has now been hammered
              to death.

              I am well aware that those who die before Jesus attains power will be
              resurrected & those who are killed will not be resurrected.

              I wonder what is the source of this teaching? Could it be something that originated within the Roman Church or Christendom?

              Your last sentence has thoroughly upset me.

              In what way? Could you be more specific?

            • Cocheta

              no, no, no, not playing out today! I had enough of this with Teleologist & you are sounding so much like him that I am backing off now

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I think your suspicion is well warranted given the similarities of their wording as well as the questions they both had posed.

            • Free at Last

              In that case perhaps I should reveal some personal “info.” I was baptized at a District Convention in Mason City, Iowa on the 21st of December 1957. In the summer of 1958 I attended the International Convention in New York City where I served as an “expediter” at Yankee Stadium. It was hot and humid for the entire convention. We who manned the beverage stands were told that some would approach us and beg for ice as they struggled with the discomfort of the intense heat. We were told not to dispense any ice to any of the witnesses under any circumstances. Naturally, seeing their distress I couldn’t abide by that senseless directive and handed out pieces of ice to many people. It seemed the proper and loving thing to do. I’ve always had a difficult time complying with senseless “orders” from those who are in positions of authority and who have lost touch with the common folk. I’d much rather follow the guidance of the Son of Man who instructed us to “give” to those in need as we empathize with their struggles and uplift them with loving kindness.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              By you sharing this information with us whether it be accurate or not verify / proves absolutely nothing after all was not the superfine apostles that Paul had spoke about very much capable of disguise themselves as angels of light?.

              2 Corinthians 11:
              14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light
              15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.

            • Free at Last

              That you are here making effort to comprehend what Robert has written about the truth of “The Truth” is a start along the path which leads to the Waters of Life. That you are still struggling with Cult Indoctrination is to be expected as your eyes and ears are opened in response to your seeking real answers to those questions which yet trouble you. Your quotations from Corinthians are certainly appropriate with regard to what has infiltrated and is now operational within “The Society.”

              It will not be an easy journey as the Cult Mentality will put many doubts and fears in front of you should you choose to continue on the path to Freedom. But The Helper is readily available 24/7 and is constantly awaiting your appeals. For Our Father in Heaven and His Faithful Son the Christ all things are possible.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              My friend it ends here…… Do not write me back as you will not get any more replies. P.S. I hope you take Burt’s words to heart .

            • Joseph Stephan

              Free your ass free your ass , Good God almighty, free your ass.
              From this site

            • Free at Last

              As you wish. Perhaps reading what Paul wrote in Romans will ease your apprehensions. Our Father is truly a God of Love for whom All Things are Possible. If He was able to “convert” Saul in a matter of seconds, think what He will be able to accomplish with all of humankind. Once the Kingdom is established on Earth it will be a time of great joy and healing as the Judgment Work is performed by The King and His Princes. Sure, there may well be some “resistance” but it will be lovingly overcome.

            • Burt Reynolds

              He did not convert Paul, Paul accepted what Christ said. There is a difference. It does not matter that you were baptised back in 57 ( is that a pun on Heinz?) or what your credentials are, both of which points you would know. You are not prepared to state your point and so you are just being divisive and which is not very loving or convincing is it and so you condemn yourself. And now you choose to unsettle and bully sisters whilst still withholding a clear explanation of your thoughts, if indeed you have one. So please take some of your own advice. By the way, there was no convention in mason city in that year and ice was freely available to all the following year in Yankee stadium.

            • Cocheta

              **POW** lol

            • Cocheta

              he can’t even use the name Jehovah or Jesus if you notice, I find that very strange!

              JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH
              JESUS, JESUS, JESUS

              ‘Free at Last’ from what, I wonder? To convert to another religious belief? To pretend to be a JW even though he argues their teachings & wants to pick holes in their beliefs by coming on here & trolling?

            • Free at Last

              Your attitude of hostility is not unexpected. For whatever reason many witnesses adopt this sort of fearful posture as they sense their belief system is crumbling. The Cult Indoctrination has gotten very deep into your mind and heart and it is fighting tooth and nail to remain there. But fear not, Saul experienced the same sort of behaviors on his journey to becoming Paul. Our Father will assure that you too will overcome.

              You may desire to re-check your beliefs regarding the Mason City convention in December of 1957 and also the business dealings of the refreshment stands during the International Convention in 1958 at Yankee Stadium. What you have said is incorrect.

              Which is rather puzzling. Why would you choose to propagate falsity?

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hiya Free at Last, your discussion is between Three people I think a lot of here on this site and I know it’s between you and them but the last paragraph of your post broke my heart when I read what you did for the poor black witnesses way back then. Very emotional reading that..I can only imagine how they felt in that blistering heat and coupled with having no spare money for extras. I bet it was enough to make you want to give up! If you remember that incident I’m sure there’s some from your generation who remembers that too.

            • Free at Last

              Hiya yourself Beverly! Well the discussion has been interesting to say the least.

              Yes, the convention in New York City of 1958 was quite an event. The family of witnesses who arranged for me to accompany them on the drive to and from were very kind; the Jaeger family who at that time were living in Lincoln Way Village just south of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. While in New York we stayed in the home of Mrs. Tarbell who lived on Fenimore Street just off Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn; very near Prospect Park and its subway station. It was an exciting time and we met many very nice and friendly people from all over Europe and the U.S.

              When the suffering souls approached the beverage stand asking if they could please just have a piece of ice my first inclination was to follow orders and politely refuse their request as we’d been instructed to do. But when they looked into my eyes and I saw their despair I couldn’t refuse them. They were a group of ladies middle aged and elderly, some of whom had difficulty walking. Fortunately, the overseer in charge of the stands was busy elsewhere and we certainly had no shortage of ice.

              Burt it turns out was correct about the District Convention after all – it turns out that the gathering where I was baptized was a Circuit Assembly over the weekend at a High School in Mason City. Obviously a “senior moment” in my recollection. Back then baptisms were routine and there was no candidacy or indoctrination involved. I hadn’t been baptized yet so when the call came for any who desired, I volunteered. The baptism was done biblically in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as was typical for most of Christendom. I wasn’t baptized as a witness but became one never-the-less; instantly becoming a “brother.”

              Yes we did use the name Jehovah back then, usually as Jehovah God, but today I prefer a pronunciation which is more European/Hebrew for both Yahowah and Yahoshuwa. It is simply a matter of personal choice since the names Jehovah and Jesus are English language approximations. The “o” in their names is pronounced as in the Middle East “oo.”

              I know full well breaking free of the cult mentality is very difficult and takes quite some time. I fully understand the attitudes of Burt, Kevin and Cocheta as I’ve been there too. Very defensive of the “Society” and fearfully obedient to all things Watchtower. But Love conquers all barriers. The True Love as embodied by Our Heavenly Father and His Faithful Son. In time all witnesses will come to realize how they’ve been deceived and will be healed from the pain and suffering they’ve endured. By the looks of World Events it may not be too far off into the future.

              To those who’ve already become free their hearts may seem hardened and judgmental; their attitudes arrogant and supremacist, but then they’ve not yet fully realized how deep the deception and cult programming has penetrated their souls. They, as all of mankind, will be “saved” and healed and re-molded into what we were meant to be. Yes, we will suffer tribulation and death but only temporarily. The Love of our Heavenly Father is all encompassing and covers the whole shebang. Can you believe that one day even Satan himself may be healed (the old person “destroyed”) in a manner similar to how Saul was made to “see the light.” After all, in the grand scheme of things, he has made it necessary for us to experience the “bad” in order to appreciate and come to love what is “Good.”

              Bible Truths

            • Beverly kenyon

              Hi Free at Last, I wasn’t expecting a reply but thank you anyway. I’ve personally never attended an International Convention but your description of it back in the fifties sounds so exciting. Segregation was still happening in your country and life in general was tough for African Americans, they fought a lot of obstacles for their civil rights..so reading your account of those poor witnesses really upset me and if I was in that situation I would hope that someone kind and with a good heart would help me out. You’ll have to agree to disagree regarding your discussion with Burt, Bklyn Kevin and Cocheta…they love Jehovah like you, and they have good hearts like you. But can I say, I truly don’t believe that they have a cult mentality, they’re very strong minded people…they wouldn’t be on this site otherwise…they searched for truth and found it here first. You’re right about how in time witnesses will realise how they’ve been deceived and that’s when they’ll have to ‘step away from the Rebels.’ I understand about your memory being vague about the Convention, it was a long time ago. I remember being taken to some swimming baths in Liverpool to be baptised but I could tell you where they took us or the date, I would have to ask the elder who I studied with and I think he would struggle trying to remember as well as he’s bobbing on in years. It’s up to you and a personal decision how you want to pronounce a Jehovahs name. They really did things differently went it came to baptism back then. And yes, love does conquer all in the end…it will triumph! Where I have a problem with what you say is regarding Satan being ‘healed’ in a manner similar to Saul/Paul. The bible is clear on the matter of Satan being destroyed and quite rightly so…Slanderer, Manslayer, Liar, Opposer, that’s deserving of death, that Creature is irredeemable! End of. And nothing anyone, even you Free at Last with your amazing knowledge and experience will change my opinion! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your interesting story.

            • Free at Last

              Where I have a problem with what you say is regarding Satan being
              ‘healed’ in a manner similar to Saul/Paul. The bible is clear on the
              matter of Satan being destroyed and quite rightly so…Slanderer,
              Manslayer, Liar, Opposer, that’s deserving of death, that Creature is
              irredeemable! End of. And nothing anyone, even you Free at Last with
              your amazing knowledge and experience will change my opinion!

              Of course we do not yet know how this will all shake out, only what is hinted at in the Bible. Clearly, Satan’s work is not finished and will continue for a time following the Kingdom Millenium. We do know that the entity which became Satan is high ranking and powerful within the heavenly family who has been given considerable responsibility over Planet Earth. Could this Son of God be redeemed to repent of his folly? It is within the realm of possibility according to The Word. New Revelations will be made during the time of Judgment, new books will be revealed to the creation. One day we will know what the Will of Our Father is regarding the unfaithful heavenly family.

              No, I haven’t the power to change anyone’s mind about anything. Only Our Father and/or Our King have that power. We can only marvel as onlookers when the Holy Spirit works those miracles.

            • Southern ShaSha

              “”folly”

            • Burt Reynolds

              You are absolutely right. Satan has grieved the spirit. No redemption.

            • Beverly kenyon

              It’s beyond me Burt why a spiritually experienced person can think that Satan could somehow be rehabilitated and saved!! When that Sacred Secret was uttered by Jehovah God right at the beginning of humanity back in the Garden, Satan’s future was sealed with the death sentence. And that’s a righteous judgement for a mass murderer and Liar! Just like I can’t comprehend his suicide mission when he decided to make a grab for Power! Pure madness and insane! Straight away Jehovah fixed the problem of the all out rebellion by Satan and his pals and the disobedience of the first human pair but until then everything has to play out for us to get to when our King, Jesus Christ comes back for the judgement and to gather the remaining ones of Jehovah’s Heavenly Goverment! Can’t wait!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              1 Timothy 6:20. guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.
              Now in the way that Jan′nes and Jam′bres resisted Moses, so these also go on resisting the truth, men completely “corrupted in mind”, disapproved as regards the faith. Nevertheless, they will make no further progress, for their madness will be very plain to all, even as the [madness] of those [two men] became. 2 Timothy 3:8-9

            • Beverly kenyon

              Well, Bklyn Kevin, just finished my ‘micro’ bible study looking up the scriptures you cited where it mentions those leading men of Pharoah’s court possibly magic practising priests..got that info from the Insight on the Scriptures books that I still have from when I was learning the truth..I will not be parted from them! Lol. The NIV bible refers to such ones who resist truth as having a ‘depraved’ mind. So to think Satan could be healed…that’s twisted! From the start of the scriptures to the end of scriptures, Satan and his pals have been Dead Demons ‘walking’ and to think otherwise is depraved and when in the future Jehovah reveals wondrous new things to us it will not be including Satan! I really enjoyed that Bklyn Kevin. Thanks!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Jude 1:6
              And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness
              (for the judgment) of the great day.

              2 Peter 2:
              4 Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tar′ta·rus,
              delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be (reserved for judgment;)

              After reading this scripture I think we all can agree that Satan the devil along with his wicked demons are being (reserves for judgment)-
              I mean where in the scriptures does it say that Satan can repent?.

            • 1914for100Alex

              I took a look around the site this guy linked. It’s like all the other ones out there. This means this, this means that, blah blah blah, but it all falls apart when you actually read the Bible!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              After reading his comments I didn’t even bother to visit that website knowing that it would be fall of beeswax.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Precisely Bklyn Kevin…reserved for Judgement…not maybe, just maybe you can be healed in the manner of Paul..never heard such cockamamie rubbish! I like that word! And I’m so surprised at Free at Last entertaining such an idea as he comes across as very experienced and intelligent. Because he’s an older person I still want to be respectful but seriously?? Free at Last is being unreasonable. Wow, Bklyn Kevin it was only last night I was talking to my friend about Ezekiel 28:13,15 where it describes Satan and how he was a high ranking Angel..can’t remember how we got on to that subject and I have that scripture you quoted underlined in my Bible but how can you read that scripture and then come up with an idea like the one Free at Last talked about. What Bible is he reading and who has filled his mind with such ridiculous nonsense! Very disappointing! I’m going back to my friend with these Ezekiel scriptures..it’s gonna be great! Awww, Bklyn Kevin it’s really reassuring to know you’re there to provide fabulous scriptural help..you’re a star!! Hope Leonard K and his family are okay…I noticed he was a bit absent.

            • Cocheta

              Rev 20; 7-10, maybe the so-called spiritually experienced person has that bit missing from his Bible! If the abyss is to be sealed over satan (v3) then it is pretty obvious that no-one will be able to approach him to turn him into a gentle soul.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Ka-Pow Cocheta! Exactly! Gentle soul…funny! Lol. The ideal of that mass murderer being healed is beyond ridiculous…the little gentle soul, aww…heartbreaking! Free at Last has set himself up for ridicule with that idea. And we’re to have prayers said for us because we prefer to rely on what Jehovah has said what the end of Satan will be??? Eh!!! How do people think up of these ridiculous ideas?! Glad to see you’re not letting anyone or anything get to you Cocheta. Still can’t get over how those two…one after another…were on you like a rash? Bizarre!!

            • Cocheta

              those two were actually one person, Beverly, Teleologist changed into Free at Last when he realised we had his number.
              He can keep his prayers because I am not sure to whom he will be directing them! Yuk!

            • Beverly kenyon

              You’re kidding!! He’s got problems…he needs to get out more often. I’m not internet savvy as you know Cocheta…I can just do the basic…I can’t even set up an account…I get people to do it for me. It was only last night I learned how to delete messages on my iPhone…my friend thought it was hilarious..and that was one of the reasons I hated my phone….annoying! I just don’t want to be wedged to a device. I like doing real human things…like talking face to face…even though technology has benefits but I don’t want to be dependent. He didn’t win Cocheta…he didn’t get the better of anyone! Truth always wins over crazy!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Yes exactly…. and that well be the ultimate finality of Satan the devils fate when Jesus deals Satan the fatal head wound as prophesized in the book of Genesis .

              Genesis 3:15. And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.

            • Cocheta

              How dare you accuse me of taking some time to break free of the cult mentality of the WTS, you have no right whatsoever!

              You do not know my circumstances, nor my, if any, attachment to the WTS. You have not seen any defense of them from me nor any obedience to them.

              You are a nasty individual that tries to rope in anyone to your side of an argument & now that you have been rejected by Burt, Kevin & myself have tried your slimy persuasive powers on Beverly simply because she felt sorry for the thirsty people.

              You have also given such a detailed description of the people you traveled to the Convention & stayed over with so that you might make Burt out to look foolish in others eyes, what you don’t realise is that you are making yourself out to look pathetically childish. Burt, Kevin are very dear people to me & you are attacking them & I won’t sit idly by & watch. Neither will I let you use your snake-like powers on Beverly, my sister!

              You really believe that one day satan himself might be healed? Are you deluded? Keep taking your meds.

              That was a sneaky way of getting ‘your website’ link in at the end!.

            • Free at Last

              I only know what you say and how you say it. We have prayed that The Helper will guide and assist you as you work through whatever it is which has produced such a fearful diatribe. Showing love can be a difficult proposition, particularly when it is towards someone who we’ve decided is an enemy. I believe you know how it has been written in The Word…

            • Cocheta

              don’t even THINK of offering up any prayers for me. You are not one of JWs, nor ever have been & anyone who thinks that satan has a cat in hell’s chance of being redeemed has to be one meat pie short of a picnic!
              No need to keep trying to figure out what & why I am saying things to you by way of ‘fearful diatribe’ – it is YOU who has produced it so go pray for yourself.
              Don’t bother to reply to me, you will be ignored & reported as all trolls are.

            • Free at Last

              You’ve provided an interesting response which is typical of Cult Indoctrinated Behavior. Isolation and Exclusivity; the belief that you are within an elite grouping which is the only “religion” which will be “saved.” I must say, those who purport to be representatives of the Almighty God Jehovah certainly do conduct themselves with hateful mannerisms. Do you not believe what is written in The Word? Do you believe that your hubris is pleasing to Our Heavenly Father? Or, could it be that you’ve fallen under the spell of Satan and are emulating what he desires in the way of behaviors.

              When you are in a reasonable and rational frame of mind you may wish to re-read what you’ve written here to determine whether your behavior is appropriate for one who claims to be a Believer.

              Please forgive them Father for they know not what they do…

            • ewatchman

              It is not hubristic to believe that there is a one true faith. Nor does the existence of false prophets and pharisaic men within contradict the exclusivity of the faith. Perhaps you haven’t quite gotten the sense of all that I have written, but the point of Christ’s coming is to judge his congregation, to throw out the false apostles and hypocrites, in order to present to God a cleansed people.

            • Free at Last

              I am in agreement with what you’re saying; His initial focus will be on doing just that. And He will collect the faithful from all corners of the Earth as He begins his work of establishing the Kingdom as promised in the Good News.

              What is hubristic is conducting oneself in a manner which is contrary to the desired behaviors as set forth in numerous writings of the prophets; conduct which identifies with the works of Satan rather than the works of our Heavenly Father. Indeed, certain of the Apostles had difficulty with this and were lovingly rebuked by Yahoshuwah when they voiced wrong thoughts or acted wrongly. In time they were all helped by The Helper to overcome those tendencies and became models of Good Faith. They were made aware of those weaknesses and in turn made sincere effort to develop good works. Which is of course something we all need to devote time and effort towards daily.

              Is it your belief that the “congregation” is exclusively Jehovah’s witnesses? That it would exclude others of good will who may be former witnesses or even others who’ve never become witnesses?

              There was a time when I did believe that quite some years ago.

            • Burt Reynolds

              May I suggest Cocheta, just to save your feelings or mitigate the effect of such, that you look upon this as a challenge to Jehovah, directed through you. It is a privilege to be the object of distaste, for his name’s sake, even if only from insignificant sources of ridicule. The fact remains that we cannot deny the watchtower is a cult to those who want to believe that it is. Their heart is set. Oddly, this gent is using his argument to paint followers of Jehovah as wrong, and by dint of inference, that he is right. He does not even use the bible to support his arguement but highlights his own good deeds as proof…..the ‘suffering souls’ he ministered to all those years ago. Physically. Well physical care passes away. Spiritual care does not, but he has no fruits of it to show us. The fact that he is unable to discuss the topic, shows that he is uncertain, but wants the adulation of others, acceptance, acquiescence, and is haughty. He actually enjoys your distress, and that he causes you to feel that way. He draws satisfaction from it. But the person he insults is Jehovah. He thinks we belong to the watchtower. But we don’t. We belong to Jehovah. The watchtower is passing away. Jesus ‘used’ the temple, but his ministry was largely outside of it and when he died, the curtain was ripped asunder. Where else would he have us go? To Free at lasts Bible Truths? We are left to assume that his freedom is from, or even in, the watchtower. He is not specific. But his freedom may just be more likely a freedom from restraint and conscience. A self awarded label and excuse to hurt wontonly and without remorse. Well, No small wonder we are satisfied where we are with food aplenty, not the angst and division free at last serves up freely. He has his reward…..and you have yours, in Jehovah. Be not troubled. With love and support from us all. X

            • Beverly kenyon

              Thank you Cocheta. Try and not get upset…don’t let it bother you. You’re none of that….we know you. X

            • Joseph Stephan

              FREE AT LAST, NOW FREE YOUR ASS FROM THIS SITE, WE’RE NOT BUYING WHAT YOUR SELLING

              https://youtu.be/oTB46FJOF5w

            • 1914for100Alex

              Even Satan might be healed??? In honor of Burt, I’m going with the Simpson’s version: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa7b928ee5a9527fd7bb3fce1ad6ca36a2058af5a6acfd3855be0753dfb85eae.png

            • Free at Last

              Whether Saul was “converted” or not is a matter of semantics I suppose. But it must be admitted that Saul was very powerfully humbled and persuaded to realize that the Christ was indeed the Son of God and that he was indeed alive! Saul was temporarily blinded and incapacitated and fully dependent upon others to provide for him as he was made to “see” the Truth.

              Rather like what we all experience in one way or another as we too are made to see the Real Truth. Not as forcefully as Saul experienced to be sure; but in many ways just as uncomfortable and persuasive.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Actually, it’s not a matter of semantics. The bible is quite clear that the onus of faith, and response to the word is the responsibility of the beholder. If you take Adam for instance, he was perfect, yet chose to sin.

              Insofar as responsibility towards the feelings of others: of course people influence the feelings of others and the discerning person is careful to consider the sensibilities of others. You can do further research on this if you study the issues behind conversational algorithms. It is common for people who, faced with irrefutable rebuttal, to foist the responsibility for their feelings onto the commentator, and you do this quite eloquently by saying I have an attitude of hostility. Quite wrong, but I understand that it is easier for you to say that, because the alternative conclusion is far more daunting. Thus you defeat your own arguement by framing your reply with assumed sensibilities on my behalf. This is a psychological ‘push’ to escalate a self righteous stand and grandiose authority on your behalf. It is common in political arenas and in psychiatric need. As is the resort to authoritarian justification that you employ when telling me not to worry, ergo, ‘fear not’. This is done, as you did with Concheta, to provoke unsettlement and uncertainty. In common behavioural situations that you describe, this reflects your own need to reaffirm to yourself, the justification of your cause and which by your conversational issues, are shown to be based on uncertainty. Thus you can only justify your arguements, or in this case, needs, by tearing down the knowledge of others so that by dint of nature, they accede control to you. That you need this control is demonstrated by your insecurities in this matter. You should be aware that 33% of people will like you, 33% will dislike you and 33% don’t care about you. (I generalise). Within this norm, the individual, through their behaviour, can ‘adjust’ the above norm through their actions and thus add more of a burden to their everyday life than there need be in many cases. This is why you get the responses that you do, and that unsettle you so, making more enmities in life than you need to.

              I demonstrated this by suggesting that there was no assembly in that area in 1957 and that there was ice freely available the following year and your response to this filled the majority of your reply. Insecurity of self and of exposure. We all suffer from it to a lesser or greater degree, but some of us accelerate it and thus get ever more unhappy and resort to ever greater measures to gain a response to reassure themselves.

              This is why folk say ‘do not feed the trolls’. But I disagree to a point, in that it does not help the troll…..the person. I won’t label you publicly, but I do suggest that you have a chat with your doctor and explain your feelings. He/ she will be able to help. Your experience of the watchtower has done you great harm and you aught to take time to heal yourself and understand the diversity in people and the over arching mercy of Jehovah. I wish you well, but will not be replying further. ?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              POW ” Burt – Well thought out and said, you hit the nail right on the head! .
              I really enjoyed reading your loving reply back to this gentleman.

            • Free at Last

              Burt, I know in your heart of hearts that you mean well. You’re obviously well read about certain things and have a talent for detailed discussion. But, on the other hand, has anyone ever told you that you tend to over-analyze?

              Will you be able to embrace the Son of Man, the Lamb of God, when he returns? Or will you find him too to be defective and nefarious? Many will be deceived by the “pretender” who plays a good game…

              I truly do appreciate that you’ve engaged in discussion with vigor and passion. You’ve come quite some ways on the path but still have a way to go. Keep up the effort and rely upon The Helper himself rather than the Organization of Men who are misleading the flock. Whether you yet believe it or not, all will be saved. Our Father in Heaven and His Faithful Son will see to that. No job is too great for their loving powers. All things are possible!

            • LW

              This makes me think of a Scripture in the Bible found at 1 Cor. 4:5:

              Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes. He will bring the secret things of darkness to light and make known the intentions of the hearts, and then each one will receive his praise from God.

              Or as the Message Bible so eloquently puts it: “don’t get ahead of the Master and jump to conclusions with your judgments before all the evidence is in. When he comes, he will bring out in the open and place in evidence all kinds of things we never even dreamed of.”

            • Joseph Stephan

              This is what will be saying as soon as your banned

              https://youtu.be/oTB46FJOF5w

            • Burt Reynolds

              Do you not see how you have made Concheta feel? ‘As you wish’ indeed. ‘By this you will know them that they have love amongst themselves.’ ‘…And the greatest of these is love…’ Might I suggest that instead of worrying about the complexities of doctrinal issues on blood, that you first find out about the issues of love and the issues of contentions.

            • Free at Last

              Burt, in truth I have no control over how Concheta chooses to internalize and to “feel.” Only she has the power to react in whatever manner she chooses. Because she has chosen to withdraw from further communication without revealing what her “feelings” are with specificity one can only wonder.

              When the Lamb of God walked amongst the peoples in the land of Palestine he treated all with Love. In spite of that, or because of that, many became angered and developed feelings of hatred towards him. Such is the power of truth.

              The terminology which you utilize to express yourself indicates that you are still under considerable burden of the cult mentality. But fear not and be of good faith; in due time Our Father will more fully open your eyes to see and your ears to hear in order that you may finally find your way to the freedom of the Real Truth.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Don’t let him unsettle you Cocheta. If you read Brooklyn Kevin’s reply to me some days ago, the scriptures he points out are abundantly clear and concise. Free at last could not make a reply to those scriptures, prefering to ‘wait and see’ what others wrote. The scriptures are not vacant to the heart, they are inspiring and rewarding, comforting and yet straightforward. There is no questioning or ambiguity, though there is for people who look for it without love or context in their hearts. For me, I admire your faith, standing up against the pressures you have had of late and staying with the truth against the truth that thinks it’s truth but is not! If someone wishes to play games on the field of life, that is their affair, and it is a pretty weak and superficial game that they play at that. So take no heed. I think we will all have bigger fish to fry in the near future, so let us save our strength for that.

            • Cocheta

              thank you, Burt, I appreciate that

            • Free at Last

              Au contraire mon frere Burt! A reply is unnecessary at this point and may in fact be counterproductive. Your eyes will be opened to the Full Truth only when you are ready to receive it. You’re just not there yet. But have faith and continue along the path and journey upon which you’ve embarked. In due time you will be made to see that which presently seems incomprehensible. Our Father in Heaven desires all to overcome the deceptions and obstacles which lure us into the lair of Satan the Devil. Should anyone be surprised that Satan has taken up residence within the GB?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes I recall being stuck on a door! I’m still confused about the ruling on blood. The bible says abstain from blood, which is different from ‘do not’. For instance, I abstain from alcohol, for most of the time, but enjoy a whisky now and again. So am I wrong in my thinking, or how does one emphatically understand the blood requirements?

            • Bklyn Kevin

              With all due respect what’s not to understand in regards to blood?

              Jehovah clearly stated to abstain from blood and also one should ask themselves-when did Jehovah change this command ?.

              In fact the scriptures testified that there was no change in regards to abstain from blood when the issue had come up among the brothers due to certain troublemakers / Pharisees

              who wanted to impose their man mad policy , however when the apostles heard of it they had dispatched brothers to clear up the matter and this is what they have to say.

              19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God,

              20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

              24 Since we have heard that some from among us have caused YOU trouble with speeches, trying to subvert YOUR souls, although we did not give them any instructions,

              25 we have come to a unanimous accord and have favored choosing men to send to YOU together with our loved ones, Bar′na·bas and Paul,

              26 men that have delivered up their souls for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

              27 We are therefore dispatching Judas and Silas, that they also may report the same things by word.

              28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things,

              29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”. Read more>

              https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/acts/15/#v44015019

              Malachi 3:6-7.
              For I am Jehovah; I have not changed. And YOU are sons of Jacob; YOU have not come to YOUR finish. From the days of YOUR forefathers YOU have turned aside from my regulations and have not kept [them]. Return to me, and I will return to YOU,”Jehovah of armies has said.

            • Beverly kenyon

              So true Bklyn Kevin, Jehovah’s command to abstain from blood has not changed as we can all see from when it was given in the books of Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Malachi then down to the Apostle Paul’s day and the early Christians and to us. Brother King said it best a while ago when he said, why be a Jehovah’s Witness if you’re not going to keep that command…or words to that effect! If you can’t keep that command you have no business being a Witness for Jehovah God. If faced with that decision with faith in the resurrection and Love for Jehovah, you have to go the whole way! It’s the organisation that’s made Jehovah’s command about abstaining from blood complicated. I worship a God of the living and who’s promised everlasting life and I know 100% in my heart that if it came down to the wire and I’m in that situation, I know my Heavenly Father will let me live again. I know my explanation is simply put but it’s the most natural thing I believe.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Yes, you are right Kevin. Thanks for that. I dont really know why I was confused on this point. I read the earlier discussion from Robert and seemed to have drawn the wrong inference from it. I had great problems with the watchtower articles on blood….bits you can take, bits you cannot. I thought then that blood is blood and you can’t subdivide it. Not because it cannot be split into components, but because the components were not the issue. It was the ownership of what it represented. I guess I was just beginning to fragment myself with all the different things going on, the different signs, and people suggesting whatever. Still, thanks for putting me right.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Burt I was not trying to impose my opinion / will on you or anybody. But nonetheless I was showing you what GOD’s opinion is on the matter concerning blood in the book of acts and how the inspired apostles handled the situation when confronted with unscriptural policies.

              It’s not hard to understand why people get information anxiety / confused concerning the blood issue especially if they are one of Jehovah’s witnesses because the watchtower / governing body has went beyond the things that were written in the bible and concluded their own policies which are contrary to what the bible actually teaches / said.

            • Burt Reynolds

              Kevin I didn’t for one minute think you were trying to impose your opinion on me! The scripture was absolutely clear and who can refute that? I really appreciate emphatic clarity, having just been through a lifetime of bureaucratic ambiguity, half truths and sly opinions….and I’m not talking about the watchtower either! I think, actually I know, that the written word does not always carry the emotive energy and implication, manner and sentiment that speech does, and though we speak the same language, over the years, that language has developed its own emphasis, implications and subtleties of meaning of its own between our two lands. Make no mistake, I gratefully appreciated your note.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Bklyn Kevin, can I just say that in no way did your post Burt come across as imposing your will on anybody. I’m just glad Burt, Cocheta and Teleologist brought the issue up and you reminded us of God’s commands regarding it. There’s no ambiguity…abstain from blood. Even if I wasn’t a witness I wouldn’t want to have blood. I wouldn’t want to touch someone’s blood willingly so why would I have it put inside my body…it’s medieval and gross. No witness wants to die…didn’t Jehovah put Eternity into our hearts, Ecclesiastes 3:11.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              I replied to Burt that way because recently I had given a scriptural reply to another person and they had taken it personally and perhaps thought that I was imposing my personal opinion on them when in reality it was Jesus’s opinion from the scriptures that I had shared with him, . I guess some people are more sensitive than others so i was trying to be more mindful, so the truth of the matter is I didn’t want Burt to feel uncomfortable as the other person did.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Sometimes Bklyn Kevin some people like to hear what they want to hear and you end up being the bad guy when you’re not saying what they want to hear, when they asked in the first place! For me, those scriptures you posted was fantastic to see how Jehovah has not changed his Law on the blood command…from thousands of years ago down to us…he’s very firm on the matter. My Surgeon was pleased with herself that my op went well even though I told her I wouldn’t be having blood…she refused at first, then went ahead because I’m slim…as she put it and I’m not a smoker or a boozer and I’m quite fit then bizarrely told me I should find a partner! Weird! But of course there’s much more worse and sad stories.

            • Teleologist

              Beverly,
              Would you have a problem stopping the blood flow from a cut on your
              child’s body because you might get some blood on you?

            • Beverly kenyon

              I get the hard question then? Lol. No I don’t think abstaining from blood means not touching blood..touching blood is one thing but actually having it put in my body is something entirely different as well as you know Teleologist when you stop playing devil’s advocate and trying to be smart…and I’ll answer your other question about blood and my child when I find that low post of your’s!!

              Yes I do view organ transplants as medieval and gross. Memories are stored by organs the heart being the most susceptible to cell memory and some recipients of organ transplants have experienced Behaviours and emotions from the original donor and even a change of personality! And of course those sort of major operations, blood is involved. Mutilating a person’s body and taking out organs and putting in organs is NOT natural. Then the patient is on a cocktail of drugs and we know most drugs are poison anyway as they kill thousands each year. So the recipient (if a witness), has not only broken God’s law about blood, they might experience a new personality and they have someone’s actual flesh in their body, they have a bad conscience, have to take drugs daily, and all to extend their life for X amount of years then go on to to die anyway!!

              Acts 15:29 tells us to abstain from blood and we have to be CAREFUL in doing so and in turn we will PROSPER. Good health to you.

            • Beverly kenyon

              Right Mister, I can’t find your post where you ask me if my child had a cut would I have a problem touching the blood trying to stop the blood flow. As a Mother and a Human Being you don’t have to be a Rocket Scientist to know the answer to that one! I wouldn’t give it a second thought to help my child or anyone’s child or another human being…if blood was involved or not! I most certainly wouldn’t want ANYONE to be hurting or suffering!! There are some witnesses Teleologist that will abstain from blood..end of!!

            • Teleologist

              Here are a few of my thoughts on the blood issue. First of all, let’s be clear. Many JW’s do not abstain from blood. They without any objection from the Watchtower Society take blood fractions that are derived from the donated and stored blood supply. Using from the donated and stored blood supply is contrary to abstaining from blood. The Watchtower’s doctrinal position requires JWs to respect using FROM blood virtually the entire volume of blood so long as it is done piecemeal. How is it that JW’s can view this wholesale use FROM blood as abstaining from blood when the WTS (Watchtower Society) says it should be thrown out onto the ground? I have not seen this question answered though it is at the heart of the topic. The WTS has JWs using what they WANT FROM blood and then throwing away the leftovers. Do you agree with the Watchtower’s position that it is okay for JWs to throw away LEFTOVERS after taking what they want FROM blood?

              Would you shun a fellow JW that was disassociated for allowing their child to have a transfusion of platelets to stop them from bleeding to death while at the same time continue to associate with a person that allowed their child to have a transfusion of albumin? Neither one of these parts of blood is addressed in scripture yet under Watchtower policy one is a conscience matter and the other warrants congregational shunning.

              Robert King said:

              “One of the features of Baal worship was child sacrifice. The Watchtower has condoned a form of child sacrifice, in that, it has presided over an organization that has allowed tens of thousands of children to be sexually abused by cunning pedophiles.”

              The Watchtower also promotes a policy that it says results in the actual death of children. Here it is:

              “In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.” Awake! 1994 May 22 p2.

              Are Christians required to abstain from blood? Of course. But in order to properly obey this command we need to determine what blood is to be abstained from and what manner of abstention is required. I will address this in another post.

            • Burt Reynolds

              My thoughts were, on behalf of the society, that their view was, mistaken or not, that some ‘fractions’ of blood, were common outside of blood and therefore could be obtained without using blood. I could not fathom what other excuse there may be for them to say such a thing. However, that these fractions were obtained from blood, and not from non-blood organism, to me was objectionable. The issue for me has not been blood, but what Jehovah said it represented. Life. And that only he was the life giver. To me, the society in its ignoring of this point, to their own benefit I might add, was a complete abdication from the truth and spirit of the command. The scripture said to abstain from blood, and which for me at that time, meant simply no blood. I later became confused on the implications of the word, abstinence, which I have already explained. However, in arguement with my sister, who is a staunch elders wife, (married to the society if the truth be known ) I asked her, and similar to Kevin’s feelings, ‘what part of ‘abstain from blood’ do you not understand?’ Now that I have been shown the clarity of situation from the scriptures again, I am confirmed in my original stand on the matter, which is do not take blood.

              This command was given at a time when there were no known ‘fractions’ (and the opinion of what constitutes a fraction differs in which scientist you ask to this day) and thus the spirit and the intent of the scripture would have been clearly understood. Don’t take it. And which was the societies stand before it started getting sued over the question. And thus my opinion has changed from ‘what don’t you understand about don’t take it’ to ‘what is there left to discuss?’

            • Teleologist

              HI Burt,
              I’ve read all the posts on this thread and I can’t figure out what point you were confused about and what exactly unconfused you. You say something about not being able to subdivide blood then splitting blood into components and then components not being the issue but ownership of what it represented. This makes no sense to me. Can you explain it?

            • Burt Reynolds

              Ha! If I could explain myself I would be a happy bunny indeed. I will try to précis and this is what I believe the scriptures to mean about blood. I hope I can answer your query as to what I understand and I have bullet pointed so I remain brief, not to be pedantic in any way. If anyone wants to correct me, please do.

              1. Jehovah is the life giver. He tells us that the life force of a person is in his blood.
              2. He says don’t take blood out of respect to him as the life giver. Blood/life is sacred and is his alone to give.
              3. The bible tells us this is so. Thus, no arguement here.
              4. Blood can be broken down into components just as bone can. This has nothing to do with the sentiment expressed in the scripture.
              5. Blood components, so the society claim, do not in themselves constitute whole blood. This is true. Water is a component of blood, but we drink water to stay alive.
              6. That this is a fact, does not mean that it is okay to take whole blood, separate the water from it and give the water to someone to consume.
              7. Why? Because if a component is taken from blood, it was part of that blood, and that life force, and as such contravenes the commandment. It is not the water that counts in this respect, but it is where it came from.
              8. Thus by ignoring this fact, the society are actually leading their flock astray. The society say there are only three substances that constitute whole blood within the structure of blood itself, and the rest as fractions or other components that makeup the whole do not constitute whole blood and are thus okay to use. This is not so. Within the context of abstain from blood, the society might just as well assume that ‘parts’ of adultery are okay, such as coveting or kissing, so long as it’s not the actual act itself. Thus we can see that their parallel is flawed. The bible says that even thinking about adultery is as the act itself. Thus the same issue applies to blood or parts thereof.

              What I meant about not being able to subdivide blood or use blood products as they are called, was that in spiritual terms you cannot. The bible does not make room for using blood in anyway other than to pour it out, back into the ground in acknowledgement that Jehovah is the life giver. The watchtower are saying that you can subdivide it and use parts of blood. This is not scriptural. (Yes you can, as you well know, subdivide blood physically with a simple centrifuge). The watchtower are deceiving the flock into thinking it is okay to take blood fractions. Well it’s not. If blood expansion is required, it has to come from other sources.

              What unconfused me was Brooklyn Kevin pointing out what the scriptures said and reminding me with clarity. What confused me was simply that I was not well some years back and it has left me with difficulty in memory retention and other non-working items such as sight and hearing functions and which have an isolating factor which does not help either! As Kevin points out, information overload….it just makes a fog in my mind and I need sometimes, especially in this case, someone to hand me the information on a platelet. (Joke).

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Apparently Burt the Watchtower’s “YES” – no longer means “yes”
              and their “NO” – no longer means “no” however it is certainly clear that the watchtower has combined the two words in order to please all parties Involved and in a deceptive way and their new word is compromise regardless of what the scriptures actually say / command thus going beyond the things that were written and added their own speculation which is unscriptural as well as deceptive / misleading.
              1 Corinthians 4:6.

              Matthew 5:37 Just let your word ‘Yes’ mean yes, your ‘No,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one

              And if one closely studies the Watchtower’s adjustments / compromises they will soon realize that ultimately the watchtower stands to benefit in the long run and not the people.

              Acts 20:30 and from among YOU yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves :

            • ELiJAHx7

              Yes…If you abstain from something (blood), then you restrain yourself from consuming it…..Blood is sacred to Jehovah and we should view blood as His sacred property…

            • Kevin b

              This is interesting. So if you are forced to take blood in order to save your life, are you dealt by the elders in the local congregation? Are you disassociated or disfellowshipped? I guess you are from Ireland.

            • ewatchman

              It used to be a disfellowshipping offense. But in order to not appear as though the WT were using coercion now any JW’s who take blood are considered to have disassociated themselves. That way the WT can still wield power over the lives of JW’s without appearing heavy handed.

            • Kevin b

              Correct. Sorry for the lengthy post, but it shows the branches character.

              Bulgaria, the Watchtower and Blood Transfusions

              In order to gain legal recognition in Bulgaria during the 1990’s, the Watchtower was required to change its doctrine on military service, and allowed civilian service in 1996. It also signed a document before the European Commission on Human Rights, deceptively stating it does not sanction followers for taking blood transfusions.
              The situation regarding the Watchtower Society and blood transfusions in Bulgaria demonstrates that the Watchtower is prepared to bend the truth in furthering its own political needs. It is hard to reconcile how Watchtower actions before the European Commission on Human Rights could be construed as anything other than perjury.

              On June 28, 1994, the Bulgarian Council of Ministers refused to renew the Watchtower’s registration as a religion.1 The two main issues behind this decision were Watchtower doctrine forbidding:

              Witnesses to participate in military service
              Witnesses and their children to receive blood transfusions
              A four-year legal battle ensued, resulting in compromise on both sides. The Watchtower Society and government of Bulgaria brokered an agreement through the European Commission of Human Rights that was adopted on March 9th 1998 under Application No. 28626/95. This states in part:

              16. By letters of 8 and 12 September 1997 the parties indicated their willingness to reach a friendly settlement. The parties exchanged correspondence and proposals for a friendly settlement and held meetings in Sofia on 20 and 21 November 1997. On 17 January 1998, upon the parties’ request, the Commission made proposals to the parties with a view to resolving some remaining differences in their positions. The parties again met in Sofia on 10 February 1998.

              17. By letters of 10 and 11 February 1998 the parties informed the Commission of the final text of the friendly settlement.
              Click here to read the full document
              The Watchtower reached a “friendly settlement” by indicating a change to its rules regarding blood transfusions and military service. In order to accommodate the wishes of the Watchtower Society, the Bulgarian government created a non-combative military service option for conscientious objectors to participate in.

              If only it were that simple. Scratch beneath the surface and a raft of issues become apparent, highlighting the Watchtower’s willingness for deception in what is an example of “theocratic warfare”.

              “It is proper to cover over our arrangements for the work that God commands us to do. If the wolfish foes draw wrong conclusions from our maneuvers to outwit them, no harm has been done to them by the harmless sheep, innocent in their motives as doves.” Watchtower 1956 Feb 1 p.86
              Military Service

              Bulgaria had an issue with the Watchtower’s refusal to participate in military service. For many decades, Witnesses were not allowed to engage in military service. Not only was combative military service disallowed, also non-combative or civilian service was also forbidden. Many young witnesses around the globe were jailed for such a stance, some for years.

              “Jehovah’s witnesses are according to God’s Word no part of this world which is governed by the political systems. For this important Bible reason they tell officials of the government that they conscientiously object to serving in any military establishment or any civilian arrangement that substitutes for military service.” Watchtower 1951 Feb 1 p.77
              “An examination of the historical facts shows that not only have Jehovah’s Witnesses refused to put on military uniforms and take up arms but, during the past half century and more, they have also declined to do noncombatant service or to accept other work assignments as a substitute for military service. …   Many of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been imprisoned because they would not violate their Christian neutrality.” United in Worship of the Only True God p.167
              “Before 1977 the [Greek] brothers would be called to serve prison sentences repeatedly; some spent over 12 years in prison!” Yearbook 1994 p.108
              Other Witnesses, such as in Mexico, have been permitted by the Watchtower to bribe officials to receive documentation dishonestly claiming they had completed military service. See Malawi vs Mexico

              To settle the dispute in Bulgaria, compromise was required on both sides. To accommodate the conscience of Watchtower followers, the Bulgarian government introduced civilian service into their military service program. In 1996, the Watchtower conveniently changed its stance on military service, allowing non-combative or civilian service.

              “What, though, if the State requires a Christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part of national service under a civilian administration? …   That is his decision before Jehovah. Appointed elders and others should fully respect the conscience of the brother and continue to regard him as a Christian in good standing. ” Watchtower 1996 May 1 pp.20,21
              This change in policy seems somehow disappointing after the hardship young Witness men endured for decades. By determining that civilian service was not actually an important issue before Jehovah, Watchtower leaders showed Bible interpretation can be shaped by governmental requirements as readily as by holy spirit.

              Blood Transfusions

              The other issue of importance to the Bulgarian government was regarding blood transfusions. The authorities felt Witnesses should not be coerced to forgo life saving treatment at the threat of being disfellowshipped. For Jehovah’s Witnesses to be recognised as a religious organization in Bulgaria, the Watchtower Society had to ensure that, regarding blood transfusions, “members should have free choice in the matter for themselves and their children, without any control or sanction on the part of the association.”2

              As part of the reconciliation, the Watchtower agreed that they would not sanction the use of medical treatment for Witnesses.

              “2.1 – Jehovah’s Witness patients resort to the use of the medical system for themselves and their children; each member having the right to make use of this [medical system] freely at their own discretion, without any controls or sanctions on the part of the petitioner;” – Translation of Application No. 28626/95
              Watchtower representatives publicly announced that though they continue to highlight Bibles principles regarding the requirement to abstain from using blood, they do not prevent followers from taking blood. In a Watchtower press release of April 27th 1998, they stated:

              “The agreement also includes an acknowledgment that each individual has the freedom to choose the type of medical treatment he receives. …  . The terms of the agreement do not reflect a change in the doctrine of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

              This is far from true in two regards.

              We have already seen that there was a doctrinal change to allow Witnesses the right to engage in civilian military service.
              As will be discussed later, individuals do not have “freedom to choose” a blood transfusion if they are to remain Witnesses.
              Finnish journalist Pasi Turunen writes that in an interview in Finland on a local Christian radio station in April 1998 a Watchtower representative made the following comment:

              “…this deal by Bulgaria is such that when the European human-rights court gave two weeks ago a decision, that the Bulgarian government must register Jehovah’s Witnesses, that Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot be classified as a destructive sect or religion, so Jehovah’s Witnesses do not tell what a particular individual does, so this deal means this, that every individual has a full freedom of conscience to do, and Jehovah’s Witnesses do not tell in a centralized way what someone does or does not do. And that’s what that deal means.”
              It seemed that a dramatic shift in policy had occurred. In reality nothing had changed, as Watchtower’s policies and procedures remained virtually the same. The words conveyed by the Watchtower representatives are deceptive, as Witnesses are subject to identical repercussions if they have a blood transfusion or allow their children to have one.

              Following the Watchtower’s agreement with Bulgaria, blood transfusions were removed from being a disfellowshipping offence. This was of little consequence, as the consumption of blood was simply reclassified from being a disfellowshipping offence to one of disassociation. This change was released as a letter to Traveling Overseers dated: 4/26/00: For KS/91 page 95 – Blood Issue. 5/21/00: New procedure for handling cases where ones take a blood transfusion.

              The Notification of Disfellowshipping or Disassociation form (S-77-E 7/01), used when a person is to be announced as “no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, included taking blood under the disassociation check box.

              In 2010, the new Elders manual outlined that taking blood can lead to being disassociated.

              “Willingly and unrepentantIy taking blood.
              If someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual’s attitude. If he is repentant, the committee would provide spiritual assistance in the spirit of Galatians 6:1 and Jude 22,23. Since he is spiritually weak, he would not qualify for special privileges for a period of time, and it may be necessary to remove certain basic privileges. Depending on the circumstances, the committee may also need to arrange for an announcement to the congregation: “The elders have handled a matter having to do with [name of person]. You will be glad to know that spiritual shepherds are endeavoring to render assistance.” On the other hand, if the elders on the committee determine that he is unrepentant, they should announce his disassociation.” Shepherd the Flock of God pp.111,112
              The difference between being disfellowshipped and disassociated means that Witnesses have actually been disadvantaged by this change. Whereas a committee is formed for disfellowshipping where the subject can plead and then appeal their case, with disassociation the subject is considered to have by their actions chosen to be removed from the congregation and hence have no right of appeal to the decision. Despite the subtle difference in procedure, it is important to recognise that both result in shunning, as shown in the following copy from Pay Attention to Yourselves and All the Flock p.102.

              People that enquired to Watchtower headquarters about the Bulgarian changes have received explanations such as the following.

              The cunning wordplay is a shocking indication of the lack of respect Watchtower leaders hold for governments of the world. Whilst the Watchtower signed in the European Commission of Human Rights application that a Witness could act “freely at their own discretion, without any controls or sanctions ”, the above letter shows there are repercussions that are highly persuasive in preventing Witnesses from exercising their own freedom and discretion.

              The Watchtower may not prevent members from taking blood, such as by physical restraint, but they are doctrinally prevented and as a result emotionally prevented, by threats of shunning and death at Armageddon. When blood is required, elders will discuss and pray with the patient to be strong in their resolve to reject blood, fill in legal paperwork for the patient and reason with doctors. On occasions, elders will even provide a 24-hour watch to ensure a member does not receive blood. If, despite all this pressure to comply with Watchtower doctrine, the Witness does accept blood, they face the sanction of disassociation and eternal death.

              “Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock” p.21

              “Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock” p.22
              “According to the law of Moses, which set forth shadows of things to come, the receiver of a blood transfusion must be cut off from God’s people by excommunication or disfellowshiping. … As a rebellious opposer and unfaithful example to fellow members of the Christian congregation he must be cut off therefrom by disfellowshiping.” Watchtower 1961 Jan 15 pp.63,64
              “When one is near death is no time to tamper with or violate the law of God, but a time to draw as near as possible to God by remaining faithful. Everlasting life is the reward for faithfulness. How foolish it would be to gamble away the prospect of life eternal for the very uncertain promise of a cure by blood transfusion!” Watchtower 1970 Apr 15 p.249
              Can it be said that a person has freedom to choose medical treatment if their religious leaders threatened them with shunning and the loss of life eternal? It would be like the taxation office saying you are free to refuse to pay tax, but when you are caught you will go to jail. That is not freedom. Furthermore, whilst the Watchtower may try to skirt around definitions of freedom, there certainly can be no doubt that it is a direct lie that Witnesses do not face “controls or sanctions” if they have blood.

              In 2000 the Watchtower issued a press release stating that the requirements from Bulgaria had resulted in no changes in policy.

              The Bulgarian government attempted to allow individual Witnesses the right to choose a blood transfusion, and the Watchtower gave the impression that they were changing their procedures on blood when signing Application No.28626/95. There can be no doubt that Bulgarian authorities felt this document meant they had paved the way for Witnesses to enjoy freedom of choice in regards to blood. Maybe the Bulgarian government was naïve in thinking a religion that prides itself on political neutrality would abide by political documents that it signed.

              Although the term “theocratic warfare” is no longer used in Watchtower publications, the situation with Bulgaria shows the Watchtower Society still finds it acceptable to follow the principle of deceiving governments in furthering its own interests.

              “Today God’s servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God’s servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God’s kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the genemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work.“ Watchtower 1957 May 1 pp.285-286.

            • Cocheta

              Memsahib speaks with forked tongue!

            • DA

              what do you think about non-combative military service?

            • Joseph Stephan

              In other words, Keeps them from getting sued and losing their cozy palace in the woods by the lake.
              It’s always about the money………… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a10a9f967417e2c28e91df6a67312fce633f9668d1e3e75092dabeb1c7c8bc3b.jpg

            • Cocheta

              but I presume you are to consider yourself killed at Armageddon, d’Fed or disA’ed – what a disgraceful way to treat people! What an awful thing to have to live with, no wonder there are so many clinically depressed JWs!

            • Cocheta

              I would presume that you are dealt with by the elders, Kevin. I am not d’fed yet – yet being the operative word – I don’t know, I need to fly under the radar for a while.
              I lived in Ireland for 12 years before coming back here & that is where I learned of the JWs

            • Cocheta

              Tele, I looked at your profile & you do seem to have a fixation on the blood issue. Now, I’m not condemning that at all, but in my view, whether it was said to Noah or Moses it says quite clearly in the Bible ‘do not eat blood’ Okay, there was no such thing as transfusion in those days, so there was no need to have it spelled out there, but & this IS my view, if Jehovah says pour out the blood on the ground then there must be a jolly good reason for it, even in the Temple the blood was treated as something sacred. Jesus gave his blood as a ransom for us so following that it MUST be considered Holy. The doorposts were to be sprinkled with blood the night before the flight of the Israelites from the Egyptians – so there must also be a Holy reason.

              I don’t know the reason, but I do know that blood carries waste from a persons body & there is no way I would want the waste of a person putting into my body!

              The blood belongs to Jehovah, so that is the end of the matter for me, I won’t take it, as fractions, platelets or in any other form of transfusion no matter the arguments put before me.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Double “POW” Sister…

            • Teleologist

              Hi Cocheta,
              I don’t know where you are getting this idea that I support eating blood. I never said anything like that at all. I believe in abstaining from the same blood and in the same manner as did righteous Noah. The Watchtower Society goes beyond this so I reject certain aspects of their blood policy such as them determining what parts of blood are a conscience matter and which are a disfellowshipping offense when the Bible does not address this issue.

              You caught my attention when you said many JW’s have been stumbled and turned off by the blood issue. Why do you think this is the case?

            • Cocheta

              I did NOT say you support eating blood, I said that the Bible quite clearly says do not eat blood!

              The Bible did not say that you should spend days debating it on a forum either.

              Read my answers & then sit on your hands please, I have no desire to continue going round & round in circles with you. Other people have also stated their views on the matter & yet you continually go over & over the same points, I’m certain we have all read your views & don’t need to continue the issue. Let’s call it finished now! Have a good day.

            • Burt Reynolds

              ‘Thou shalt attend the Forum within the temple and shall discuss the ins and outs, the whys and wherefores, for in those days, blood issues shall be hard to deal with and many arguments for the sake of arguements shalt be made ad infinitum, ad nauseam, and the forum shalt become worn out and bogged down and shall bend and collapse and everyone shall say “it is finished” and go off and have a good day.’ Book of Burt, ch 2. V. 342, 776.

            • Cocheta

              ****Cocheta groans****, but LOLs also

            • Free at Last

              With regard to the “Blood Issue” perhaps it would be helpful to know that the drinking of blood or the eating of blood is a significant step in Pagan Ritual Murders and Sacrifices as conducted by worshipers of the Father of the Lie. The prohibition on drinking or eating blood for those who strive to follow Our Father in Heaven and The Lamb is for that reason. Using blood to support life as in a transfusion is much, much different than celebrating the Ritual Murder and Sacrifice of either an animal or a human as an element of Pagan Worship.

            • Teleologist

              Cocheta, what in the world are you talking about? I never disputed that the Bible says to not eat blood. And I have only had a couple of posts to you, two had to do with your statement about persons being stumbled and turned off by the blood issue. All I did was ask you what you meant by that. And I had one post where I disputed the Watchtower’s
              position on blood fractions which you didn’t disagreed with. .
              Your statement that you have been going round & round in circles with me is totally false. Same goes for your claim I have been continually going over the same points. Never happened. You could have terminated our discussion without making stuff up.
              .

            • Cocheta

              Teleologist, this is said with great patience, I can assure you. Read what I wrote. I did not say that you disputed the Bible about eating blood. I didn’t mention the number of your posts to me either, your profile comments are 99% concerning blood, it obviously bothers you a great deal.
              As for you going over the same points you only need to see how many people you have questioned on this article & then check out your own profile to see who else you have discussed the blood issue with.

              Are the posts really available for all here to see? What a shock, I thought they were between you & I only. I think everyone here knows me well enough to know that I don’t ‘make stuff up’ & I rarely lose my temper……rarely!!

            • Bklyn Kevin

              Trolling
              The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn’t count as trolling; it’s just flaming, and isn’t funny. Spam isn’t trolling either; it pisses people off, but it’s lame
              The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
              Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn’t involve deceiving someone isn’t trolling at all; it’s just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccessful troll.
              . Read more> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

            • Joseph Stephan

              Awesome reminder, we had our share on here!
              Remember folks…
              DON’T FEED THE TROLLS ! Block them.

            • Teleologist

              Bklyn Kevin said:.
              Trolling:
              “The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue….Trolling requires deceiving”.

              None of that applies to me, I make no secret that I believe the Watchtower’s blood doctrine is false. No deception is involved. Just scriptures and logic. And everyone can see this in my profile.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              You need to get your facts straight, I never said that.
              NOW if you were paying attention you would have followed the link and realized that Is an article from the urban dictionary that I was sharing with others. http://www.urbandictionary.com

              New International Version
              Proverbs 18:2 Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.

          • DA

            Jer 31:34

  • Charlie Smith

    First of all, absolutely excellent article with great insight! I’ll dain to comment on particulars later, but first I want to get this “typo” out of the way. It’s no big deal and will change nothing substantive, thus just a technical note for the author. He said:

    “Presumably, being the head of all government Christ may intervene from the invisible at times in order to steer history to suit God’s purpose. This is not without precedent. In the book of Daniel the prophet had a supernatural encounter with an angel who revealed to him that he “stood up as a strengthener and as a fortress” to Darius the Mede, the KING OF PERSIA [caps mine]. (Daniel 11:1)

    Darius the Mede was not considered the “King of Persia” per the Bible for three reasons:

    1. The next verse begins the kings of Persia with Cyrus, not Darius the Mede. Note:

    Daniel 11:1 ” “As for me, in the first year of Da·riʹus the Mede, I stood up to strengthen and fortify him. 2 What I will tell you now is the truth:
    “Look! Three more kings will stand up for Persia, and the fourth one will amass greater riches than all others. And when he becomes strong by means of his riches, he will rouse up everything against the kingdom of Greece.”

    The four kings of Persia here would be the first four kings after Cyrus meaning (1) Cambyses, (2) Smerdis/Bardiya, (3) Darius I and (4) Xerxes, who did actually wage a huge campaign against Greece. Thus the kings of Persia begin with Cyrus, not Darius the Mede. So note when this is dated from. This was written in the 3rd year of Cyrus, from which vantage and chronological point this reference to the three kings are related.

    Daniel 10:1 “In the third year of King Cyrus of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel, who was called by the name Bel·te·shazʹzar.” thus Cyrus is considered to be the very first king of Persia in the Bible, even though Darius the Mede was part of the takeover of Babylon by the “Medes and the Persians.” But here is another reason why calling Darius the MEDE is incorrect.

    2. In the Bible, the kingships are very strict when it comes to the king of the “Medes” and the king of the “Persians.” The two are distinctly separate. That is why the Bible goes out of its way to consistently called Darius, “Darius the MEDE,”and Cyrus, “Cyrus the PERSIAN.” Thus technically, while Darius the Mede could very loosely be considered a king of Persia, he is more specifically in contrast to the king of Persia, the King of the MEDES. That would be the more accurate and much less accurate than calling him the “king of Persia.” But there is one more important note:

    3. Even though Darius the Mede was part of the empire of the “Medes and Persians” and he was the king of the Mede division, he was also the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar II! That means he was a legitimate heir to the throne of Babylon and thus a Babyulonian king. So when he and Cyrus conquered Babylon, he became an extension of the Babylonian empire, thus less a king of the Medes or Persians. He was first, another king of Babylon!

    This becomes a technical note, therefore, when the kingdom of Babylon ends. The Jews deported in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II were to serve for 70 years and those 70 years were to end specifically, not when the kingdom of the Medes took over but when the “royalty of PERSIA” began to rule. That is, it was not during the reign of Darius the Mede and Babylonian that the Jews would be released, but not until Cyrus the PERSIAN came to the throne. Note 2 Chronicles 36 in this specific regard:

    2 Chronicles 36:20 “He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and HIS SONS until the kingdom of PERSIA began to reign, 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.”

    So the 70 years did not end until Cyrus the PERSIAN began to rule over Babylon, which was six full years after Darius the Mede/the Babylonian prince began to rule! Thus the Jews were still considered servants of Nebuchadnezzar II and “his sons,” which included Darius the Mede, until Cyrus became king over Babylon, Cyrus being the first true Persian king, officially ending the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II and his sons. So Darius the Mede is considered to be a continuation of the Babylonian empire. Besides that, although killing Belshazzar at Babylon without a battle, the official king of Babylon was Nabonidus who was still ruling from Borsippa. Belshazzar, his son was his co-ruler and was only second in command. So Darius the Mede simply replaced his cousin and had no problems being accepted by the Babylonians because he was already known to be a Babylonian prince and thus entitled to continue the rule over Babylon as a Babylonian king.

    CONCLUSION: Again, this is just so insignificant to anyone except the author that I call this a “typo”! It will make little difference in this reference if you call Darius the Mede “the king of the Medes” or you simply leave off mentioning his kingship. But there are, indeed, technical issues when you call him the “king of Persia” which just happens to be less specific than referencing as the “king of the Medes” or even “the king of the Babylonians.”

    So, rather than call him the “king of Persia” just leave that title off entirely. Otherwise, calling him the “king of Babylon” or the “king of the Medes” is more Biblically correct than the “king of Persia.”

    Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you, again, for your wonderful article!

    Lin Calier

    • DA

      good point

    • ewatchman

      Hello Charlie. Thanks for the historical color. Very interesting about Darius being an heir of the throne of Babylon too. I am not going to make a correction in this particular article for the reason that readers have access to your comment to fill in the gap. However, in the future I will give more attention to details. ;~) Thanks again.

  • Rob

    On Fox News tonight.. The Kelly File, quoting Steve Bannon from 2010… “It’s going to be an insurgent, center right populist movement that is virulently anti establishment and it’s going to continue to hammer this city (Washington) both the progressive left and the institutional republican party”

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    Trump and Brexit Defeat Globalism, but For How Long?

    By Daily Bell Staff – November 14, 2016

    Trumpism as a stress test for democracy …. A series of populist anti-globalism shocks is a test for Western democracies. Trump’s stunning ascent to the White House is the clearest signal yet of an anti-establishment revolt unfolding in major democracies, stretching across the Atlantic. – Swiss Info Tech

    Was Trump’s victory actually created by the very globalist elites that Trump is supposed to have overcome?

    There are some who believe the elites are actually splintered into numerous groups and that domestic US elites have positioned themselves against the banking elites in London’s City. We see no fundamental evidence of this.

    The world’s real elites in our view may have substantive histories in the hundreds and thousands of years. US elites are basically in the employ of a handful of families, individuals and institutions in our view.

    It is confusing because it is hard to tell if Hillary, for instance, is operating on her own accord or at the behest of higher and more powerful authorities.

    It is probably a combination of both but at root those who control central banks are managing the world’s move towards globalism. History easily shows us who these groups are – and they are not located in America.

    This is a cynical perspective to be sure, and certainly doesn’t remove the impact of Trump’s victory or his courage in waging his election campaign despite what must surely be death threats to himself and his family..

    But if true, this perspective corresponds to predictions that we’ve been making for nearly a decade now, suggesting that sooner or later elites – especially those in London’s City – would have to “take a step back.”

    More:

    The vote to propel Trump to the US presidency reflects a profound backlash against open markets and borders, and the simmering anger of millions of blue-collar white and working-class people who blame their economic woes on globalisation and multiculturalism.

    “There are a few parallels to Switzerland – that the losers of globalisation find somebody who is listening to them,” said Swiss professor and lawyer Wolf Linder, a former director of the University of Bern’s political science institute.

    “Trump is doing his business with the losers of globalisation in the US, like the Swiss People’s Party is doing in Switzerland,” he said. “It is a phenomenon which touches all European nations.”

    Again, this article presumes that Trump has “won” and that he intends to attack the larger globalist enterprise and the bankers funding it. On the other hand, it could be that both Trump and Brexit have been engineered to look as if the tide is turning against globalism when it is not.

    Why would those in charge want to portray this point of view when it may not be so? Because of what we call the “Internet Reformation” that has blasted open the secretive manipulations of the globalist elite in the past decade or so.

    It is almost impossible for globalists to promote internationalist memes in this environment. Yet it is the secretive injection of internationalist memes into the body politic that moves society toward the globalist enterprise.

    As we have suggested before, it is perfectly possible that a decision has been made to pretend to grant the larger society a “victory” over internationalism.

    Following this analysis, certain trends would be identified and encouraged that would seem to portray globalism as falling back on its metaphorical heels.

    In truth, if this analysis is correct, globalism’s retreat is a kind of pretense that will steer society less obviously in a globalist direction.

    One way this could happen is by ensuring the splintering of Europe – but not in a way that actually reduces control from Brussels. It will APPEAR to be so but won’t actually happen. The same thing could take place in the USA under Trump.

    Again, this is not to say that Trump is party to this plot or even approves of it. But the idea that Trump is part of a co-option is certainly a feasible alternative to an alternative analysis that takes what is happening at face value.

    Nonetheless, even if an alternative elite strategy has been decided on to realize globalism in another fashion, it ought to be pointed out that things have changed. And the Internet and its revelations are surely responsible.

    This is a very big deal and it is one that ought to be emphasized repeatedly. Brexit and Trump could be, somehow, the result of a different elite approach – but the approach HAS changed nonetheless.

    Think of it this way: Hillary represented the blunt approach toward the realization of further globalism. Her way included an aggressively expanded war and the pursuit of other globalist trends.

    Trump, rhetorically anyway, has a different approach in mind that would gut many internationalist trends.

    If Trump follows through on his rhetoric, the trend toward an internationalist world will be reduced. And while there is controversy over Trump’s recent staff appointments we should also bear in mind that the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) both seem to be failing now.

    If indeed Trump’s election has damped the progress of TPP, and TTIP, this is a huge event. As we’ve pointed out, both agreements effectively substituted technocratic corporatism for the current sociopolitical model of “democracy.”

    The elites were trying to move toward a new model of world control with these two agreements. This is similar to what happened after the advent of the Gutenberg Press when the elites of the day moved away from royal control and apparently swapped in democracy.

    It seems evident that internationalism is now going to take a longer time to realize than we thought. However, this observation may not be entirely accurate if Trump turns out to be something other than his rhetoric suggests – or if Brexit is denied in Europe.

    Additionally, one of the elite’s most powerful, operative memes today is “populism vs. globalism” that seeks to contrast the potentially freedom-oriented events of Trump and Brexit to the discarded wisdom of globalism. See here and here.

    No matter what, the reality of these two events, the victories of both Trump and Brexit, stand as signal proof that elite stratagems have been defeated, at least temporarily. Though whether these defeats have been self-inflicted as part of a change in tactics remains to be seen.

    Conclusion: But the change has come. One way or another the Internet and tens of millions or people talking, writing and acting has forced new trends. This can be hardly be emphasized enough. Globalism has been at least temporarily redirected

    • Burt Reynolds

      Well I am certainly revolting.

  • Rob

    The Trump phenomenon is likely at least a partially manipulated event, http://www.thedailybell.com
    The empire wants to discredit populist movements, so they first create / allow them and then they will create chaos and discredit them so as to make world government more palatable when they try to shove that down our throats.

    In this case, it would seem likely that Trump would have to first be in office and that sometime after January 20th chaos would ensue.

    Or that won’t happen…either way.

    • Joyce Haze

      Rob, The Daily Bell, exposing many scenarios as to what may be going down. A lot of speculation by many. All of these events have a much bigger picture, I do agree, Trump was put in place against all odds. We may ask and wonder why and how. JEHOVAH in His own due time will expose and act on all that we see taking place. It seems to be establishing the need, in mans view the necessity for this globalist new world order. I believe his failure, that is Trump, will bring it all about! I don’t believe for a minute his goals will slow down the globalist agenda. Jehovahs agenda will of course take presedense over all of mans plans. The scriptures state “He will not delay”

      • Rob

        Hi Joyce, I agree, Jehovah’s timetable will not be slowed or otherwise thwarted, I am just chiming in, http://www.thedailybell.com presents some very interesting points for sure.

        To DA’s point, I think that the empire is plenty smart enough, being orchestrated by the devil and such. After the 8th king rises the people “wonder admiringly” …. these things must be done delicately.

        Not pontificating, just speculating, how do you not? I haven’t a clue.

        • DA

          yeah my thoughts were the real rulers also, i didnt forget, but the comment; only the men being stupid and what rabbit holes around just to throw One off an mind to go hog-whild. i havent read the article but i did glance that sight out the other day reading your comments here to someone

      • DA

        both horns of the beast have the same want, a nwo, world unity. well one does say under God. the Christian God. the other somehow the Queen linked to God. but still both make up one dual horned beast who give breath into the image

        • Joyce Haze

          Dear DA, I do agree, both leading to the same finality. I understand Robs point, it’s almost impossible to not do a bit of speculating, how it will finally come about and by what means. We do know that satan has always changed his strategy so as to decieve and confuse. So for sure it is all speculation!

    • DA

      without reading that link,
      i dont think their smart enough for such a complex strategy thats a waste of time

      • LW

        All these years politicians and others have called for peace and security…but obviously nothing has happened. But lets think about something, what would it really take to convince people the world over that real peace and security is now a certainty? It isn’t the various clarion calls that have been made by individual world leaders.

        Could it be that all of this so called ‘expose’ of damning information about the elites, their agendas, and other ways in which so many things are manufactured as it were, be the PRELUDE to the actual declaration of peace and security? To get the masses (those who are still sound asleep) to believe that these ‘globalists’, these ‘elite’ are the “ROOT” cause of ALL the major issues plaguing mankind, and if they are subsequently exposed for the entire world to see, and then disposed of, that with that obstacle out of the way, that true peace and security is now possible?

        While just a scenario, that would, believe it or not, actually harmonize with the WTs comments of the declaration of peace and security being only a veneer and that this old system will remain under Satan’s control. His lackeys and puppets get hung out to dry in the sun and to be possibly be torn asunder by an angry populace…and he sits in the shadows, cackling deviously, knowing he has successfully sent them to their doom….

        An Awake magazine carried a question : If YOU had the power to change the world, wouldn’t you do it? That’s a question a publisher would normally ask the householder? I never gave that question thought…until now. And of course, for it makes so much sense…wow just wow.

        Here….we….go….

        • DA

          maybe. then sudden four horsemen

        • Cocheta

          good thinking, LW. Possibly this is the reason that a NWO will be called for, get rid of the bad guys & unite all together under one roof, supposedly to keep out the ones trying to destroy mankind. If you were part of the world would you agree to that, so that you & your children could live in the ‘peace’ that a NWO ‘would bring? I think most people out there would love to see it happen & would believe that finally there is a government to ‘save the world’

      • Burt Reynolds

        I can’t help thinking that Clinton was a pawn in something much larger, maybe, if nothing else, to stop all other contenders so as to allow trump a clear pathway. But then to do that, the outcome would have needed to be ensured by vote rigging. Even if Clinton had been intended to win, she would only be a puppet and an unpredictable one at that. Personally, I think trump will be overwhelmed. If you are going to control or change, you need a hitler or Stalin or a Mao, of which he is not. Just speculation, I don’t care so long as it precipitates the tribulation, but then even that is not up to trump. Let’s hope trump is the puppet.

        • Joyce Haze

          My thoughts exactly, as many have stated Trump won against every prediction, against all odds. Looks like a positioning as Hillary the projected winner has faded away. All the prophesys seem much closer to fulfillment than ever before. I have personally never seen an election cycle quite like this, never knowing from day to day what event will move us that much closer. Interesting times for sure!!!

          • Joyce Haze

            Another recognizable sign, may be the stock markets out of control highs. Most feel that is an indicator of better times ahead and yet most in the field keep talking of a bubble, over pricing. Is a total meltdown and crash a much more likely scenario?another false hope as stated by SaltySeaBeard.

            • Bklyn Kevin

              More than ever we need to be on guard because people are certainly being complacent and think that everything is going to be ok due to the fact they have this false sense of security now that Donald trump has plans to make concessions with China and Russia, but people seem to forget that there is a looming financial bubble that is imminent to bust and that will surely collapse the Financial System on a world wide scale because of the dependency on the Petro dollar thus igniting not only civil wars but nation’s rising against nation as well as food shortages in one place after another.

              Matthew 24:39 “and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

              Luke 17:28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building.
              29 But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all.
              30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed.

              1 Thessalonians 5:
              6 So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses.
              7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.
              8 But as for us who belong to the day, let us keep our senses and put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation as a helmet
              9 because God assigned us, not to wrath, but to the acquiring of salvation+ through our Lord Jesus Christ.

            • Joyce Haze

              Dear Kevin, yes, absolutely need to stay alert. What is taking place for those not aware of bible prophesy or those misinformed as to CHRISTS coming could be thrown completely off guard. Now of any time in the history of mankind we must stay on the watch. It’s mandatory we make every effort to help any unaware or misled. Our prayers for the things to come are what help us to do the will of Our God. Pray for all to see!!!! Pray to all to rely on JEHOVAH!

            • LW

              And follow Christ’s true brothers and do good to them, because you never can tell…

  • True Witness

    Hello brothers and sisters.
    Trump victory is an outstanding event. World is in shock and many in USA are crying. But many also happy. They have a new hope for restoring America. But Bible say America will be destroyed. We know it for sure. Also WTS will be destroyed. We live at the last days of WT. And then after fall of WT will come true worship of Jehovah. Many today elders will be replaced by true loving elders or what ever they will be called. Now WT ridicule Robert and his book. We also are ridiculed. Just like media in America ridiculed Trump. So Trump is a good examle to us in standing against all odds. We also stand against all odds in WT organization. But our time will come. We will be used by Jehovah in due time.

    Jehovah bless you all who endure this interesting and dangerous times.

    • LW

      Appreciate the thought True Witness. We are nearly there!

    • The two incompatible systems, symbolized in prophecy as an iron and clay amalgam that does not stick together, have now reached the point where they can no longer coexist. Just as London pushed Europe into the First World War, now the empire is threatening to plunge the world into nuclear war if the nations to not capitulate, which brings us to the question: Has the pushing begun?

      • As the stock market hits record highs, and people are feeling better about the future in the USA, we are actually in much more serious danger now! What does the Bible say about the pushing?

    • DA

      amen

    • Burt Reynolds

      Interesting times? Isn’t that expression Chinese, indicating very rough difficult events? Rare to see it used now. It was Usually offered (though not here obviously), to ones opponents. ‘ may you live in interesting times’, meaning, may life be as difficult as possible for you. Which is what we are about to experience! Just an aside.

      • Huldah

        I often think of that saying in these times.

  • Burt Reynolds

    Enough of trump! Come back Robert, all is forgiven! Does anyone know to whom Jesus related the events of his temptations after forty days in the wilderness, so that it could be written down? Or is this event recorded through Devine inspiration alone? Even then, why were these temptations by Satan so apparently mild, given the insight and knowledge that Christ had? After forty days without food, Jesus would be alive only by Jehovah’s help, or very near that point. The pangs of hunger would have already been overtaken by lethargy, and a loaf of bread would have been largely pointless in comparison to the loss it would have incurred. And as for all the kingdoms of the world…what point? So too, surely Jehovah would not have sent angels to save Jesus if he had thrown himself off that precipice? Jesus would have known not to put Jehovah to the test. That Jesus dreaded the trials he had to go through at the time of his crucifixion was shown by his plea that if at all possible, the ‘cup’ could pass from him, but in the same breath, he conceded at such was not up to him, and that he was willing, even for that. He knew that in this and in the temptations, to give in was futile, temporary and vacuous and would mean his own demise. So knowing these things, why would Christ have turned his back on Jehovah for a loaf of bread. You would expect it of man, but what was the significance for Christ?

  • Revv_zone@gmail.com Please8834

    I had not intended to comment on the Trump election however after reviewing the WT position on voting I felt it pertinent to do so.The watchtower seems to be forked tongued about voting, on one hand we are told not to vote for a political party but one the other hand if we are compelled to according to some lands then it is up to our conscience. Sounds to me after reading the information pasted below is a saying compromise if nessasary..Double standards or double dealing? Decide for yourself..

    Here is the article on voting..

    Voting in political elections. True Christians respect the right of others to vote. They do not campaign against elections, and they cooperate with elected authorities. However, they remain resolutely neutral with regard to the political affairs of the nations. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) What should a Christian do in lands where voting is compulsory or in a situation where feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth? Remembering that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego went as far as the plain of Dura, a Christian, under similar circumstances, may decide to go to the booth if his conscience permits. However, he will take care not to violate his neutrality. He should take into account the following six principles:

    Jesus’ followers are “no part of the world.”—John 15:19.
    Christians represent Christ and his Kingdom.—John 18:36; 2 Corinthians 5:20.
    The Christian congregation is united in belief, and its members are bound together by Christlike love.—1 Corinthians 1:10; Colossians 3:14.
    Those who elect a certain official share responsibility for what he does.—Note the principles behind the words recorded at 1 Samuel 8:5, 10-18 and 1 Timothy 5:22.
    Jehovah viewed Israel’s desire for a visible ruler as a sign that they had rejected Him.—1 Samuel 8:7.
    Christians must have freeness of speech when speaking to people of all political persuasions about God’s Kingdom government.—Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20; Hebrews 10:35.

    • Burt Reynolds

      It’s a wishywashy compromise, saying neither one thing or the other, yet saying both. How can you vote and remain neutral? This is typical of the lack of clear guidance from the watchtower, who continue bending people to their will on the one hand, but saying its up to you on the other, whilst implying a denied choice by saying you must remain neutral. The only truth in this article is left unsaid, and that is that they, the watchtower, are neither one thing or the other, washed by the waves backwards and forwards, Luke-warm, and thus will be vomited out of the mouth…of Jehovah. It makes me sick too. One gets crystal clear guidance on beards, but on staying true to conscience and the relationship with Jehovah they hold back, fearful of the opinion of others in the world….which is what this is. ‘Oh no more law suits for us, let them make their own minds up….’ Blind guides is what they are.

      • Huldah

        Old article but I have to say your posts here are an oasis of clear thinking. Spot on to whats happening in the org.
        Dud you hear Anthony Morris’s talk on homisexuality last annual meeting. He was having a hard time saying that homisexuality is a wicked sin.
        1974 JW Yearbook on Germany shows how it will go.
        Prominent brothers WILL direct us to compromise and these will be “small” things that are hard to see as important.

        I really needed your Gordon Ramsey comment too.Refreshing.

        Satan’s doing a bang up job of convincing everyone that if you are not a puss filled bag of arrogant self absorbedness you’re not worthy of respect. Truly disgusting world we live in.

  • Joseph Stephan

    “And in the time of the end the king of the south will
    engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king
    of the north will storm”
    – Daniel 11:40

    https://youtu.be/7xX_KaStFT8

  • Joseph Stephan

    DON’T FEED THE TROLLS ! Block them.

  • Joseph Stephan
  • Beverly kenyon

    Watched that bizarre news conference given by Donald Trump where he talked about himself in the third person…Caligula springs to mind! It’s ironic regarding his slogan, Make America Great Again when Jehovah has it marked out in the book of Ezekiel for a downfall, brilliantly covered in Brother King’s book!

  • Joseph Stephan
    • Joseph Stephan

      Calm before the storm………..

  • Beverly kenyon

    Is this a sign of things to come? More boots on the ground. Breaking news on RT…400 more US troops being sent in addition to the 500 that’s already there. For whatever reason Trump isn’t faffing about and dilly dallying…they’re going in!

  • Francis Bencharles

    Looks like the Neocons and the Hawk wing of the Dems have joined together and convinced Trump he must be a war monger and war criminal just like the last few President’s were. I was hoping he would be different. Perhaps he will see the folly of this and realize that this was a false flag attack that was done to get just this reaction. What did Assad have to gain—-nothing, to lose? Everything! Just like the other two that were proven to have been done by the rebels. People are so severely stupid

    • Ed(the other Ed)

      There’s a good interview with Paul Craig Roberts over on Greg Hunters site if your interested,
      looks like the war hawks need to keep the ball rolling if things get to quiet on the front line.

      • Francis Bencharles

        Thanks Ed, I will check that out. It’s hard for me to believe how truly gullible people really are and how willing they are to accept the lie. It amazes me every time.

  • Francis Bencharles

    You really have to watch what you are doing when you get the support of Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and Charles Schummer. All three as scummy as they come. Wouldn’t be surprised if they were leading the child sex slave movement worldwide. Stay away from those three Trump, as far as you can.

  • Southern ShaSha

    After yesterday, the craziness of U.S. hitting Syria. I suppose it was expected or at least some sort of false flag to set it all in motion. Went back and read Roberts articles, “The Presidency Of Donald Trump”, and “World Events & Bible Prophecy”, the accuracy is stunning to the smallest detail. The Silk Road plan looked for a “second” things were about to change course but in one day that again made a huge turn about. Who’s to know, really, other than Jehovah Himself.
    But on a lighter note reading in the article world events, under ground bunkers for the elite, wealthy. globalist, reminds me when I was a kid we were taught in the event of a nuclear exchange to get under our desk………………….. wonder if there are any underground bunkers at Kings Drive

    • Daisy

      Coincidentally I was listening to an active bethelite exposing the WT org this afternoon.
      He says that the construction site has been on hold..for about a year.
      Don’t know when this was recorded…
      They’ve only been doing RVC’s…he doesn’t know why but there’s been some talk bout work going on underground, not like the underground tunnels at NY.
      But deeper underground.

      I can’t send a link other than Active Bethelite Exposes The Watchtower Organisation (part1)

      • Southern ShaSha

        Wow, would anything come as a shock at this point in time. However, they know so much and yet behave just as the world. Are we all invited to join them, or are they going to be selfish and “hide all by themselves”. Who are they protecting themselves from Daisy??? The nukes or Christ Jesus?

    • Bklyn Kevin

      It’s got red flag written all over it and then some.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fQQVvOr8CA

      • Southern ShaSha

        You know Kevin, it makes one wonder, all these brilliant leaders(world leaders) that is don’t recognize history, all the proven false flags, based on propaganda and lies. The Watchtower, same thing, all the failed prophecies, and yet so many in the organization can’t recognize the truth and lies in it all. Okay, I need to come back to reality, in knowing who is behind it all, who is responsible for the worlds chaos, the one who is viciously promoting total destruction. No other than the influence of Satan himself. Yes, I do agree, Assad would absolutely have no reason to attack his own people, Russia has all but won the battle for Syria, why would he undo all that? Of course mere men are running this show to achieve their world order, globalism in an effort to counterfeit Gods Kingdom order, to rule all of mankind, but toward dominance and slavery, not peace and righteousness.

    • Burt Reynolds

      When I left school I took my desk with me. Kept it all my life. The teacher told me I would be safe if I got under it. I dont know why you lot are all so worried. Buy a school desk! Forget all this bunker business.

      • Southern ShaSha

        Yes Burt, I have plans over the weekend to go garage sale shopping. The desks back in my day were much sturdier than what’s available today.

        • Daisy

          Oh ShaSha please don’t bother buying an old school desk…just wait for new light on the Jeremiah and Isaiah scriptures…

          Try punkninja12? Same heading I sent. I think after halfway through the elder speaks about “going deep underground”

          • Burt Reynolds

            You have to show me this Daisy. I used to be a Punkninja but the elders didn’t like me turning up on the ministry in my leotard and green shell.

        • Burt Reynolds

          Good for you ShaSha. British School desks are certified nuclear safe. Mine is warranted secure against a direct 200 megaton device and a severe telling off by Robert. I have also had it upgraded with a fridge freezer, a jacuzzi, a wine cellar and a lid garden. It was made Been & Gorn & Pressed-It, Ironmongers and Nuclear Button Manufacturers to the Government Defense Department 1898 in Sheffield. Those were the days when they made things to last.

  • Southern ShaSha

    Daisy, did we disappear. Anyway, found pt. 1-3 but the videos seem to be disabled.

    • Daisy

      I’m listening right now.
      I googled Active Bethelite Exposes The Watchtower Organisation (part 1).
      Underground tunnel talk is around 7 mark.

      • Joseph of Aramathea

        Proceed with caution, I heard this Johnny Bethelite is a fraud!

  • Beverly kenyon

    Sean Spicer and his Freudian slip….destabilise Syria. Then for good measure, Hitler’s ‘Holocaust Centres’. As someone said on Twitter, why not ‘Transatlantic Ferries’ to describe the slave ships! Keep that man away from a microphone as he’s gonna start WW3 all by himself!

    • Isn’t it hilarious? It is better than a comedy skit. And these people are actually running the world? Incredible!

      • Beverly kenyon

        That’s exactly what I was thinking Brother King. These simpletons are running countries and peoples actual lives are in their hands. If it wasn’t serious it would be laughable!

  • Beverly kenyon

    Wow! Just saw on RT news the Russian Ambassador Kick off royal with the British Ambassador telling him how the Empire is doing all it can to prevent friendship between Russia and America! Russian Ambassador looked liked he wanted to head butt the British Ambassador, he was livid and couldn’t hide his rage. Wouldn’t mess with him as he looks like a right bruiser! British Ambassador needs to stay away from dark alleys!

  • Southern ShaSha

    Here we go again, Syria 10 days ago, Afghanistan today. Double checked, thinking maybe old news. U.S. just dropped the so called “mother of all bombs”. Largest non nuclear bomb in the U.S. Air Force arsenal, never been used in combat until today (1 mile radius).

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